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Topic: Favourite borrowed ring tricks?
Message: Posted by: DamienKeen (Nov 22, 2003 09:22AM)
The only borrowed ring trick I can do is Pinnacle, but that is only efficient if there is about 3 or less people, and I would like to do a more versatile routine.

So what are your personal favorites and recommendations? I have just seen a demo of Greg Wilson's ring leader and that looked quite impressive.

Damien.
Message: Posted by: Vibono Magic (Nov 22, 2003 11:12AM)
Greg Wilson's Ring Leader is plays great even to larger groups. You can't do it on stage or platform but it kills close up.
I like ring in nest of boxes for stage and platform work.
Message: Posted by: Rick (Nov 22, 2003 04:05PM)
You can't forget ring flight.
Message: Posted by: Dynamike (Nov 22, 2003 04:28PM)
I agree with you , Damien, mine is Pinnacle too. I just noticed it at a close-up convention this month.
Message: Posted by: Leeman (Nov 22, 2003 09:49PM)
Any good ring and string routine plays well for people. Ring Leader is a great resource to learn a lot of basic sleights and moves. But my favorite trick with a borrowed ring is Stiring Silver. It is basically a ring and wand routine using a spoon instead of a wand. it is on one of the best of Jay Sankey tapes.
Message: Posted by: skc417 (Nov 23, 2003 06:50AM)
What about Aronson's Ringleader? I do this quite often now. I watched the demo for Pinnacle and one of the phases look just like Aronson's Ringleader.

I assume the mechanics are the same, it's just a slight variation of the handling.

Simon
Message: Posted by: DamienKeen (Nov 23, 2003 07:19AM)
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On 2003-11-22 22:49, Leeman wrote:
Any good ring and string routine plays well for people. ring leader is a great resource to learn a lot of basic sleights and moves. but my favorite trick with a borrowed ring is stiring silver. it is basically a ring and wand routine using a spoon instead of a wand. it is on one of the best of jay sankey tapes.
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Is this the routine in which he penetrates the ring through the big end of the spoon? I am currently practicing this, from Greg Wilson's Off the Cuff. He uses the striking vanish after the penetration and reveals it in his pocket.

I think it will take a lot of work to make it convincing. Personally, I thought Greg over handled the penetration and it didn't look too convincing.
Message: Posted by: therntier (Nov 23, 2003 08:48AM)
Yes, Stirring Silver is a Jay Sankey trick. Greg's ring and string video as already mentioned is an awesome video. He also has a ring routine on On the Spot, but not as strong as some of the others mentioned here.

I would highly recommend David Harkey's Goldfinger. You place a borrowed finger ring on you finger, then visually penentrates your finger and ends up in your palm. Great effect.
Message: Posted by: Ron Reid (Nov 23, 2003 09:22AM)
Hi Damien:

Look into doing the linking finger rings; it's a classic right up there with cups and balls, egg bag, bill in lemon, etc. etc.

Routines for it are in a number of classic books. I believe Billy McComb has an excellent routine in one of his books.

Ron
Message: Posted by: CSStanton (Nov 23, 2003 07:51PM)
Funny you should mention this,
I have devised a fun routine using a ring, rubberband, and my fingers.

First, the "Ring Thing" by Garrett Thomas, then lead into the pull-the-finger-off gag, then ring on rubberband from Harlans Bandshark 1, finally his broken and restored rubberband. It plays well with my ring as well as others.
-Casey
Message: Posted by: Leeman (Nov 23, 2003 10:41PM)
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On 2003-11-23 08:19, DamienKeen wrote:
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On 2003-11-22 22:49, Leeman wrote:
Any good ring and string routine plays well for people. ring leader is a great resource to learn a lot of basic sleights and moves. but my favorite trick with a borrowed ring is stiring silver. it is basically a ring and wand routine using a spoon instead of a wand. it is on one of the best of jay sankey tapes.
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Is this the routine in which he penetrates the ring through the big end of the spoon? I am currently practicing this, from Greg Wilson's Off the Cuff. He uses the striking vanish after the penetration and reveals it in his pocket.

I think it will take a lot of work to make it convincing. Personally, I thought Greg over handled the penetration and it didn't look too convincing.

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The two effects are pretty much the same. I use a striking vanish to vanish the ring at the end and then have it reappear on the spoon again.
Message: Posted by: Insomniacs Dream (Nov 23, 2003 10:45PM)
I love to levitate a borrowed ring, it floors them.


alan
Message: Posted by: Leeman (Nov 24, 2003 02:22AM)
What is that? do you mean levitate, as in making it float?
Message: Posted by: MagicMan1957 (Nov 24, 2003 03:30AM)
I also make a borrowed ring ( if its not too heavy ) float using LOOPS.
Message: Posted by: DanielGreenWolf (Nov 24, 2003 08:41AM)
I personally love Sonata for Ring and String by Jim Sisti. I use pieces of it as part of my walk around all the time and people adore it.

-Daniel GreenWolf
Message: Posted by: Jeff (Nov 24, 2003 11:48AM)
Check out "The Joining" a ring and rubberband link for only $5.00.
go to:
http://www.members.aol.com/pierce603/magic.html

Thanks
Jeff Pierce
Message: Posted by: Frank Tougas (Nov 24, 2003 12:36PM)
I use the Anti gravity effect I found on a Jaw Dropper's Tape, where the borrowed finger ring travels uphill on an elastic band.

Another great impromptu, but oldie, is the gambit with the safety pin and shoelace. This is where a safety pin is placed on the shoelace and both ends are seen by spectators. Under cover of a man's handkerchief, the ring ends up on the shoelace.

I usually finish up with the pulling the safety pin across the handkerchief. (Old ain't it).

For a more formal show I have taken two of Al Schneider's OFF moves and combined it with one of the moves from the Relentless Ring & String. It goes over well.
Message: Posted by: juan (Nov 26, 2003 01:50PM)
1 - Ring appears in a nest of Russian Dolls
2 - Ring on shoe

3 - The one that the ring appears inside a bag that is inside a matchbox, that is inside a wood box, that is inside a bag...uff

4 - Routines like Ring Leader (Gregory Wilson)
Message: Posted by: david_a_whitehead (Nov 26, 2003 02:47PM)
The Flying Ring...Gaetan Bloom's version.
Second is Aronson's Ringleader
Message: Posted by: Mistro (Nov 26, 2003 11:41PM)
I agree with Gregory Wilson's Ring Leader.
Awsome routine that meets every standard.
Message: Posted by: Turk (Nov 27, 2003 01:07AM)
Leeman,

A very good floating finger ring using IT (but NOT loops) is Terry Lunceford's Floating Finger Ring. Great "get-ready" hook-up AND the participant (spectator) can actually reach up and remove her ring in mid-air from the IT (and no, the IT does not break as the ring is removed). And because of Terry's particular hook-up the ring does not appear to be merely hanging from an invisible string.

As for a finger ring on rope routine, I agree that you will be hard pressed to find a routine any better than Greg Wilson's RingLeader.

Finally, for those who didn't like Greg Wilson's performance of Jay Sankey's ring on spoon routine, watch Jay Sankey perform his own (Sankey's) finger ring on spoon routine. It is on one of his tape series but I can't remember which series (it did have three VHS tapes in the series). I wouldn't necessarily perform this effect by itself but it is a natural to combine with Ring Leader or a few other ring routines.

Mike
Message: Posted by: JackDaniel (Nov 27, 2003 06:38AM)
Michael Skinner's ring on wand is cool, guess it's thought on one of his Best of DVD's... :innocent:
Message: Posted by: Eirik (Nov 27, 2003 08:57AM)
The ring on wand, thought by Jon LeClair using IT is one of my personal favourites, the spectators ring, she holds the wand, she makes the magic happen....

-e-
Message: Posted by: DamienKeen (Nov 27, 2003 11:20AM)
Is this where the ring rises up the wand?
Message: Posted by: Turk (Nov 28, 2003 01:38AM)
Damien,

No, this is where the ring moves horizontally off of the wand and the wand can be held in spectator's hand and with spectator's other hand at the end of the wand to catch the ring.

Mike
Message: Posted by: DamienKeen (Nov 28, 2003 08:29AM)
Right, thanks for all the help everyone. Christmas is coming and I have some ideas. I was just wondering how practical Ring Flight is?

Damien
Message: Posted by: C Christian (Nov 28, 2003 12:07PM)
Ring Flight- Is a great trick, but there are, in my opinion, a few drawbacks. One being there's a moment that the ring is not under your control. (way to much of a risk).

The second, I have heard of about a dozen magicians say how their Ring Flight broke while performing.

I have performed my very own Ring Routine on a large stage and it plays extremely well to a large crowd. So don't think ring = must do close-up.

Play around see what you like and add as much personality to your routine as you can.
Cheers-Chris
Message: Posted by: dave s (Nov 30, 2003 02:22AM)
Where is the LeClair Ring, Wand and IT routine written up? Is it in Who's Afraid of Invisible Thread? Thanks.

- dave s.
Message: Posted by: BradleyNott (Nov 30, 2003 03:46AM)
I love Gregory Wilson's tape, and I believe he handled Stiring Silver quite well.

It's strength lies in how it made you feel after the very first time you saw it since that penetration obviously shouldn't be repeated. If it was strong for you the very first time, then he performed it well.

As for the rest of the video, I love the bonus section. It contains so many useful ideas like the strike vanish, stiring silver, a sylvester-like shuttle pass, several gags, more string moves and a cool toss change.

Good stuff overall
Message: Posted by: ludmer (Nov 30, 2003 07:10AM)
Besides El-duco´s Wedding Bell, I also LOVE Tenyo´s "Crystal Cleaver", what a great trick! If you don´t have it, you should buy it. I´m not a big fan of "looking like toys/props" tricks, but these two I mentioned are just wonderful! :applause:
Message: Posted by: Insomniacs Dream (Nov 30, 2003 11:52PM)
Yes I mean float. I have an excellent hook up which lets you borrow the ring, float it, and the let them pick it out the air. Works great.

alan
Message: Posted by: ixnay66 (Jul 4, 2004 10:10PM)
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On 2003-11-24 09:41, Malak wrote:
I personally love Sonata for Ring and String by Jim Sisti. I use pieces of it as part of my walk around all the time and people adore it.

-Daniel GreenWolf
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Actually Sonata for Ring and String is Dan Fleshman's routine. I think it's one of the best. It's quick and has multiple phases that build on each other and you don't overstay your welcome.
Message: Posted by: mckenzie (Jul 5, 2004 02:07PM)
Dan Turcotte combines a great ring and string routine, you can get it from his website http://www.youdomagic.com It comes with a great e-book and quick time video - also 2 live performances.... A great site....
Message: Posted by: amagish (Jul 11, 2004 01:32PM)
Thanks Mckenzie,
I just saw this post and I appreciate the mention.

All the best,
Dan Turcotte
Message: Posted by: Turk (Jul 11, 2004 02:23PM)
There is a nice (OOP?) book by Jerry Mentzer called "Magic with Finger Rings" (1984) that has many effects in it.

It is divided into three main sections:
1. The Spectator's Ring Links
2. Ropes, Rods and a Ring
3. Assorted tricks with Rings

Contributors? Try Richard Himber, Steve Dusheck, Scotty York, Earl Nelson, Dan Garrett, Steven Tucker, Jerry Mentzer--to name some of the more prominent contributors.

I had forgotten about it until this very moment; time to get it back out and seriously study it.

Mike
Message: Posted by: Pete Biro (Jul 11, 2004 04:27PM)
I'm working on the "Ring on stem of wine glass" to tighten up the handling, and make it ONE MAN with no need to go under table, or out sight with the ring.
Message: Posted by: warren (Jul 14, 2004 08:52AM)
Mark leveridge from the uk has a nice ring and string routine that can be purchased in booklet form or it's on his second master routine's video.
and can only agree with everyone else about the greg wilson ring leader being an excellent place to devise your own routine from as it has all the basics.

warren
Message: Posted by: Vincz (Jul 14, 2004 11:16AM)
I also like the Leclair Ring on Wand, really freak them out
Message: Posted by: TheAmbitiousCard (Jul 14, 2004 12:19PM)
David Harkey has his "GoldFinger" idea where you can do all sorts of thing. One of which is to take off aring by pulling it right thru your finger
Message: Posted by: Kjellstrom (Jul 14, 2004 12:28PM)
One of the hottest effects with a borrowed ring is El Ducos [b]RING in SALT[/b].
http://www.el-duco.se/bilder/produkter/ring_in_salt.jpg

Effect:
Ring In Salt is a classic effect! This is a close-up effect which creates sensation everywhere. Show a piece of rope and let a spectator thread his finger ring on the rope. Close your hand around the ring and rope. The spectator ties the ends of the rope together to make it impossible for the ring to come off. Give the spectator a salt shaker and ask him to pour a little "magic salt" on your closed hand. He holds his other hand under yours to catch the ring, when it is released, open your hand, and the ring is gone! The spectator, still holding the salt shaker, is asked to unscrew the cap and pour out the salt. HE FINDS HIS RING IN THE SALT!! A fantastic effect! The ring is not switched and it is the same ring which was thread on the rope just a moment before! Complete with precision made apparatus, rope and routine.
Message: Posted by: paulajayne (Jul 14, 2004 09:43PM)
Floating ring using two ITRs - very strong effect as the "its on a piece of string" idea is thrown by the movement you can get.

Works best with a worn (older) band type ring.

Paula
Message: Posted by: magicmancas (Jul 15, 2004 02:12PM)
Derren Brown's floating ring routine is a killer, I think it is in Pure Magic but I am not sure
Message: Posted by: Midwestmagic (Jul 15, 2004 03:10PM)
Its not a ring on string but I Like " STUCK iN TIME"
Message: Posted by: PAN (Jul 16, 2004 04:15PM)
Simple floating ring ala Loops. Very impromptu, works many different places.