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Topic: "The Goat's Grimoire" by Jose Prager
Message: Posted by: Atlas (Apr 16, 2013 11:35PM)
Well, rather unexpectedly, I got an email from Jose Prager the other day and attached to the email was a copy of his forthcoming book "The Goat's Grimoire". It was very kind of him to send a copy to me free of charge and, as I've just finished reading it, I thought I'd take a moment and share some of my thoughts with the users here at the Café.

Let me start by saying that my past relationship with Jose's work has not been entirely rosy. Some of it I like, some of it I dislike. For instance, while "Duplo" was a good idea, I could not get a level of consistency that I wanted from it and don't use it. On the other hand, Jose's "Peeki" is always in my pocket and is as perfect an effect as I could ask for. As you will read in a moment, I was on the fence about his recent "3386".

I mention the above not to criticize Jose's thinking, but to establish the fact that I am unbiased and honest in my assessment of "The Goat's Grimoire".

The book is 72 pages long and will, I believe, actually take the form of a printed book that is limited to 200 copies. I have no idea what the man plans to charge for the work, so I cannot speak to the issue of value for money at this point. The effects outlined in the book are "3386", "This Eye", "The Goat Knew Me", "Heavy Amnesia", "Mind Flight", "Psychological Jar", and "Mr. Green's System".

Now, as I referenced it earlier, let me begin by saying that about a month ago Jose placed a post here on the Café asking for ad copy for "3386". He offered to send the effect out for free in return for ideas for ad copy. I had some trouble with my email at the time and did not get the effect in time to participate. When I did get "3386", I was - quite frankly - on the fence about it. This is always the trouble with publishing any of your pet ideas - what works for you and your presentation style can sometimes fall flat for another personality. No matter who you are, this will always be the case sometimes. But I have learned over the years that with some thought, these ideas can be adjusted and reframed and that excellent reactions can be gained by what was considered, upon the first perusal, to be a disappointment.

I thought the idea had potential, so I tinkered with the presentation of "3386" (the method is so easy that there was no need to make alterations) and let me tell you - I am glad that I did. I was put on the spot yesterday. An MC, baffled by what I had just performed and having quizzed the members of the audience that I had just worked with (he was convinced that they were confederates), challenged me to return to the stage and try something with him. I was, however, thoroughly unprepared for this and had pretty much worked through all my material suitable to the audience. Then I remembered "3386". I went back on stage with two small pieces of paper, and soon had the MC's random four digit number and had him correctly guess mine. His language was colorful to say the least.

Thank you Jose!

I can say, after having read "The Goat's Grimoire", that, for the most part, Jose has here an impressive collection of effects that one might be tempted to casually dismiss. I don't know why, perhaps it is his natural modesty or that English is not his natural language, but when you read the book, it is stripped of the pages and pages of hype that one tends to see in other books prior to outlining an effect - "What you are about to read is my best kept secret and the cornerstone of my career for the last ten years. It is the one secret that has gotten me booked to perform at more venues than I can count, etc." Because none of this filler is in the book, the reader may be tempted to set it aside and consider it to be a good read but nothing more. Don't do that - My experience with "3386" testifies to the power of what is in the book.

I should also mention that Luke Jermay and Peter Turner have collaborated with Jose on a number of the effects in the book, and their influence on Jose's thinking is evident. I have to say that "The Goat Knew Me" and "Mind Flight" are my favorites. I love the reveal for a portion of "The Goat Knew Me" - a very cunning piece of thinking that I believe is usually missing from these types of effects and one which elevates it to being much more memorable to the participant. "Mind Flight" is a fantastic piece of double talk that leads to a great revelation. I would change the kit that Jose uses, but that is only because I am comfortable with other modes of doing the same thing and not because there is anything wrong with performing this as outlined in the book. It is really the approach to what happens with the spectator here that appealed to me so much.

I will say that "Heavy Amnesia" is, in my mind, the one effect in the book that I would not attempt. The method and ideas are acceptable, but I am not convinced by the premise and anyone filming in the audience (say a participant's family member capturing their moment on stage) could throw a spanner into the works. To me, it feels more like magic than mentalism and I haven't yet thought of a way to alter what is presented to make it work for me.

Apart from that, the book is a solid offering and contains ideas that are worthwhile and thought provoking.

There are a number of passages in which method is described that should be clarified by better descriptions and pictures, or that already assume some level of familiarity with certain principles. While I'd advise Jose to take steps to better convey his meaning, a determined reader should be able to comprehend the principles explained.

Overall, I'd recommend this book. I think it is an excellent collection of Jose's thinking and the nuances suggested by Peter Turner and Luke Jermay add depth to the work.

Best,

Atlas
Message: Posted by: Magical Dimensions (Apr 16, 2013 11:48PM)
Interesting...... Honest and to the point.

I never heard of Jose's 3386.



Best
Ray
Message: Posted by: parmenion (Apr 17, 2013 03:31AM)
Lol
Message: Posted by: Dr Spektor (Apr 17, 2013 05:59AM)
Is the goat from drag me to hell? That goat rulz!
Message: Posted by: Dave Nic (Apr 17, 2013 06:06AM)
Thanks for the words Atlas, always honest and unbiased.

I was interested in hearing about this ever since Pete made mention of this at his penguin lecture. But limited edition, again, oh boy.. So many limited editions..

I like that Pete and Luke have collaborated with Jose for the release of this book. Looking foward to seeing a price=p

- Dave.
Message: Posted by: Adam Hince (Apr 17, 2013 08:44AM)
Nice write up, Atlas. Any indication of when this will be available and from where?

Regards,
-AH
Message: Posted by: Atlas (Apr 17, 2013 08:41PM)
Thanks Dave, I try to make sure I shine a light on all relevant aspects of a work.

Adam, I do not have an answer for you, but I will see if I can get more information from Jose - I will make a post when I do know. Since I made my initial post here, Jose sent me an email that intimated that there were a few effects missing from the copy of "Grimoire" that I received. I gather there will also be a PK touch effect in the book, as well as another prediction piece. If I get the chance to see them, I will share my thoughts here.

Best,

Atlas
Message: Posted by: Atlas (Apr 20, 2013 07:53PM)
Adam,

I just got an email from Jose letting me know that the book should be available as of today on eMentalism.com - though no indication yet of price.

Best,

Atlas
Message: Posted by: Adam Hince (Apr 21, 2013 08:55AM)
Thanks for the update, Atlas!

Regards,
-AH
Message: Posted by: Marqus (Apr 21, 2013 10:35AM)
I PM'd Jose the other day but hadn't heard from him.

Thanks, Atlas, for the update.

Marqus
Message: Posted by: Paul Shirley (Apr 21, 2013 09:55PM)
I don't believe in goats.
Message: Posted by: Dave Nic (Apr 21, 2013 10:23PM)
[quote]
On 2013-04-21 22:55, Paul Shirley wrote:
I don't believe in goats.
[/quote]

Not even in curry Paul?..
Message: Posted by: Godzilla (Apr 21, 2013 11:43PM)
[quote]
On 2013-04-21 22:55, Paul Shirley wrote:
I don't believe in goats.
[/quote]


They,believe in you!
Message: Posted by: Marqus (Apr 22, 2013 08:06AM)
Atlas,

If you get any more info about the Goat Recipe book, let us know.

As of today, I don't see anything on the eMentalism site.
Message: Posted by: Adam Hince (Apr 22, 2013 08:27AM)
Leave Paul Curry out of this.

Regards,
-AH

[quote]
On 2013-04-21 23:23, Dave Nic wrote:
[quote]
On 2013-04-21 22:55, Paul Shirley wrote:
I don't believe in goats.
[/quote]

Not even in curry Paul?..
[/quote]
Message: Posted by: Dave Nic (Apr 22, 2013 02:53PM)
I just recieved an email with a link to order this, should be good to go now.
Message: Posted by: Paul Shirley (Apr 22, 2013 09:40PM)
[quote]
On 2013-04-21 23:23, Dave Nic wrote:
[quote]
On 2013-04-21 22:55, Paul Shirley wrote:
I don't believe in goats.
[/quote]

Not even in curry Paul?..
[/quote]

:)

One of my favourite dishes of all time can be found at Bar Alto, at the Powerhouse in New Farm. Their Goat Ragu is phenomenal! I would almost consider moving to Brisbane for that reason alone.
Message: Posted by: Ray Bertrand (Apr 22, 2013 10:02PM)
[quote]
On 2013-04-21 22:55, Paul Shirley wrote:
I don't believe in goats.
[/quote]

Shirley, you jest!
Message: Posted by: parmenion (Apr 23, 2013 12:36AM)
I'm wondering how any of his effect could be his best keep secret fot the last ten years...
In this case I started mentalism in 1854!
In my language a goat is someone stupid.
I'll not buy this ebook lol
Message: Posted by: kambiz (Apr 23, 2013 04:07AM)
When I finished reading this ebook I was transformed into one of these:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PpccpglnNf0

Kam
Message: Posted by: parmenion (Apr 23, 2013 10:35AM)
Lol
Message: Posted by: Smoking Camel (Apr 24, 2013 09:39AM)
Im not sure about this book. 3386 did the rounds when Jose had a competition to get some add copy written. In my mind, this effect was a weaker version of Bob Cassidy's "Extra Sensory Switch" from artful mentalism.

Why use the "P* Fo**e" when you can have it all with just a slight change in the handling? (The handling Bob describes)?

$125 for 8 other pieces ...... no thank you.
Message: Posted by: PatrickGregoire (Apr 24, 2013 06:37PM)
I for one am incredibly disappointed with this book. Here's why:

"3386" - Absolutely nothing new, not even the subtle convincer. All they did was use old methods with the premise of revealing someone's pin number and them revealing yours. Nothing wrong with the effect, but nothing worth paying for.

"This Eye" - Not anything I'd be interested in using. You're left literally dirty after the effect and there is no reason to write anything down or to hold what they wrote. Psychometry has nothing to do with places and if you were doing psychometry, you wouldn't have someone write something down, you would use an actual object...

"The Goat Knew Me" - Again, nothing new. All you get out of this is some simple cold reading that you could have come up with yourself if you really wanted to perform the old routine with the objects used in this effect. Again, nothing wrong with the effect, but not worth paying for.

"Heavy Amnesia" - This was my favourite effect in the book, and I'm not even sure it would play out so well. It would probably be taken as more of a magic trick then a demonstration of mass amnesia. Still, I like it. Nothing new though. The method has already been used by at least two creators before. I used to perform an effect that ran through my show and payed off at the end where an empty bag was shown at the start and the audience was told that I would sneak something in the bag some time during the show. At the end of the show, I asked them if they saw me sneak the glass of juice in the bag. They swear they didn't, because you never went near the bag, yet you cleanly pull out a full glass of juice from the bag to a SHOCKED reaction from the audience. It played really well, but it works because maybe somehow you did it since you had all show to be sneaky, and you're a magician. Heavy Amnesia is for mentalists and has you claiming that you did something along the lines of what I mentioned but that you erased their memory of it ever happening. It just sounds like a nice "presentational lie" to "explain" how you did it. I could be wrong and maybe this plays extremely well. I will be trying it out for sure.

"Mind Flight" - Perhaps some will like this but I am not interested in using the old technique involved.

"Psychological Jar" - Again, I am not interested in using the old technique involved. Also, I had already learned this on Peter Turner's Penguin Live lecture, so it was not worth my money in this book.

"Goat Touch" - This PK touches makes no logical sense and I had already learned it on Morgan Strebler's Penguin Live lecture, so it was not worth my money in this book.

"Blank Bank" - Nothing new. Like the first routine in the book, this simply applies the old method to a made-up credit card. Nothing worth paying for. So disappointed with this one and very misleading ad.

"PK Team" - I already learned this by buying Cliff by Jose Prager and it's nothing I'm interested in using. Not bad, just not for me. This adds absolutely nothing to Cliff. The presentation is so basic and straightforward to what you would think of yourself.


Complete waste of money to me... And I had tremendous hopes after reading the effect descriptions.
Message: Posted by: Peter_turner (Apr 25, 2013 03:06PM)
Hi Guys,

Just a quick message, I was originally hired as a consultant to read the materials and add scripts to the book to ensure they logically made sense and add a couple of subtleties and justifications (in the places I felt needed them). After seeing several people expressed dismay (in this thread) against a couple of the things in the book Jose has asked me to go over the entire book add additional thoughts, ideas and methods.

The sections added to the book will be added as additional thoughts to the routines, there will be principles, subtleties, verbal slight of mouth and new methods added to the effects (different ones of the aforementioned for different effects).

For purchasers of the book, an updated pdf will be sent out in 48 and for those who haven't purchased yet this is going to be awesome so grab it while its hot.

I am happy to be able to guide my beady eye over this, Jose really does care about your custom!

All the best,

Pete x
Message: Posted by: Anthony Black (Apr 25, 2013 03:47PM)
*48 Hours ;)
Message: Posted by: Smoking Camel (Apr 25, 2013 03:52PM)
[quote]
On 2013-04-25 16:06, Peter_turner wrote:

For purchasers of the book, an updated pdf will be sent out in 48 and for those who haven't purchased yet this is going to be awesome so grab it while its hot.

I am happy to be able to guide my beady eye over this, Jose really does care about your custom!

All the best,

Pete x
[/quote]

That's pretty cool
Message: Posted by: Prager (Apr 27, 2013 04:08PM)
The update has been sent.

;)
Message: Posted by: MatthewSims (Apr 29, 2013 03:49PM)
Was the update sent to our email? I have yet to receive it.

Matthew
Message: Posted by: Prager (Apr 29, 2013 05:15PM)
It's an e-mail from Digital Delivery App, the subject is: An updated version of Goats Grimoire by Jose Prager is available for download.

Everyone should have received it.

Please let me know.
Message: Posted by: Adam Hince (Apr 30, 2013 09:58AM)
I'd like to warn the members that have posted in this thread of an individual that contacted me recently by email: call it a fishing expedition. Going by the name of "Pierre (MindMagic)", he asked me what were my thoughts on Goats Grimoire and how it compared to Bigger Fish. I found this odd because I merely posted a question in this thread, never mentioning that I own this work. (I have since purchased it, but never stated).

I gave my initial thoughts to "Pierre" to which he promptly responded, requesting that we swap. Of course, I did not take kindly to this request and brushed him off. However, he persisted, stating that we would each delete our respective copies. That is, obviously nonsense and I will share my posting here, as my hope would be that my sentiments are shared by other members of this community.

I do not wish to hijack this thread, as I find it to be a very good work. I just offer this as a word of caution to be in the lookout for dear "Pierre":

"So because I gave it positive marks in my first response, you immediately thought that I would want to get rid of it?

You want to know what I think? I think that you had been trolling threads about Goats Grimoire, searching for members with email addresses so you could contact them outside of the PM system so there's nothing to forward onto the Café admin.

I would imagine that the members who posted their initial reviews either did not have an email address posted, or similarly rebuked you, as I did. So you moved onto me since I posted in the thread, but indicated in no way that I owned the book.

Am I close?

So let's not mince words. You are vermin that lacks ethical standards. You're a parasite to the community. A leech, that cares not who it feeds from. It is my hope that other members of this community think as fondly of your kind as I do.

This community should be like a family. However, actions like this demonstrate a despicable way of treating your family through lying and stealing. You have no place in this brotherhood and are no brother of mine. "

Regards,
-AH
Message: Posted by: Sean Giles (Apr 30, 2013 03:01PM)
Well done Adam, thank god you've exposed this parasitic leach vermin that doesn't care who he feeds on. He sounds dangerous and scary. Not the sort of guy you want to meet on a dark night.
Message: Posted by: Peter_turner (Apr 30, 2013 03:32PM)
Can you forward me the email address please?

Thanks man x
Message: Posted by: Adam Hince (Apr 30, 2013 04:06PM)
Sean,

I had to keep my language strong, but clean. I guess that was the result.

Pete,

I'd be happy to share his address. I didn't want to post it here in an open forum, as I wouldn't want to unite other unethical individuals. I also have been in touch with Jose.

Regards,
-AH
Message: Posted by: brehaut (Apr 30, 2013 04:09PM)
[quote]
On 2013-04-30 10:58, Adam Hince wrote:
I'd like to warn the members that have posted in this thread of an individual that contacted me recently by email: call it a fishing expedition. Going by the name of "Pierre (MindMagic)", he asked me what were my thoughts on Goats Grimoire and how it compared to Bigger Fish. I found this odd because I merely posted a question in this thread, never mentioning that I own this work. (I have since purchased it, but never stated).

I gave my initial thoughts to "Pierre" to which he promptly responded, requesting that we swap. Of course, I did not take kindly to this request and brushed him off. However, he persisted, stating that we would each delete our respective copies. That is, obviously nonsense and I will share my posting here, as my hope would be that my sentiments are shared by other members of this community.

I do not wish to hijack this thread, as I find it to be a very good work. I just offer this as a word of caution to be in the lookout for dear "Pierre":

"So because I gave it positive marks in my first response, you immediately thought that I would want to get rid of it?

You want to know what I think? I think that you had been trolling threads about Goats Grimoire, searching for members with email addresses so you could contact them outside of the PM system so there's nothing to forward onto the Café admin.

I would imagine that the members who posted their initial reviews either did not have an email address posted, or similarly rebuked you, as I did. So you moved onto me since I posted in the thread, but indicated in no way that I owned the book.

Am I close?

So let's not mince words. You are vermin that lacks ethical standards. You're a parasite to the community. A leech, that cares not who it feeds from. It is my hope that other members of this community think as fondly of your kind as I do.

This community should be like a family. However, actions like this demonstrate a despicable way of treating your family through lying and stealing. You have no place in this brotherhood and are no brother of mine. "

Regards,
-AH
[/quote]

Great Post---Thank you
Message: Posted by: Mind Guerrilla (Apr 30, 2013 04:49PM)
[quote]
On 2013-04-30 10:58, Adam Hince wrote:
I just offer this as a word of caution to be in the lookout for dear "Pierre":[/quote]

It's a good thing you did. Otherwise, some of us might not have known what to do if this guy were to approach us with an unethical offer.

[quote]You are vermin that lacks ethical standards.[/quote]

I'm guessing a [i]rat[/i] isn't among the vermin you have in mind. ;)
Message: Posted by: Adam Hince (Apr 30, 2013 08:49PM)
[quote]
On 2013-04-30 17:49, Mind Guerrilla wrote:
[quote]
On 2013-04-30 10:58, Adam Hince wrote:
I just offer this as a word of caution to be in the lookout for dear "Pierre":[/quote]

It's a good thing you did. Otherwise, some of us might not have known what to do if this guy were to approach us with an unethical offer.

[quote]You are vermin that lacks ethical standards.[/quote]

I'm guessing a [i]rat[/i] isn't among the vermin you have in mind. ;)
[/quote]

You're welcome. That's what you were driving at, right?

Regards,
-AH
Message: Posted by: Mind Guerrilla (Apr 30, 2013 09:21PM)
[quote]
On 2013-04-30 21:49, Adam Hince wrote:
[quote]
On 2013-04-30 17:49, Mind Guerrilla wrote:
[quote]
On 2013-04-30 10:58, Adam Hince wrote:
I just offer this as a word of caution to be in the lookout for dear "Pierre":[/quote]

It's a good thing you did. Otherwise, some of us might not have known what to do if this guy were to approach us with an unethical offer.

[quote]You are vermin that lacks ethical standards.[/quote]

I'm guessing a [i]rat[/i] isn't among the vermin you have in mind. ;)
[/quote]

You're welcome. That's what you were driving at, right?

Regards,
-AH
[/quote]
Bon apetit.

[img]http://www.lstamatis.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/12/rat-trap.jpg[/img]
Message: Posted by: Adam Hince (Apr 30, 2013 09:36PM)
[quote]
On 2013-04-30 22:21, Mind Guerrilla wrote:
[quote]
On 2013-04-30 21:49, Adam Hince wrote:
[quote]
On 2013-04-30 17:49, Mind Guerrilla wrote:
[quote]
On 2013-04-30 10:58, Adam Hince wrote:
I just offer this as a word of caution to be in the lookout for dear "Pierre":[/quote]

It's a good thing you did. Otherwise, some of us might not have known what to do if this guy were to approach us with an unethical offer.

[quote]You are vermin that lacks ethical standards.[/quote]

I'm guessing a [i]rat[/i] isn't among the vermin you have in mind. ;)
[/quote]

You're welcome. That's what you were driving at, right?

Regards,
-AH
[/quote]
Bon apetit.

[img]http://www.lstamatis.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/12/rat-trap.jpg[/img]
[/quote]

Ah, there we go. I thought I detected your sympathy for Pierre. Thanks for confirming. Although I find your defense of him in an open forum surprising. But to the heart of the matter, should we let behavior such as Pierre's go unchecked? I feel I've made my position equally as clears as you have with your complacency.

To not call out this behavior is the same as condoning it. "The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing."

I'm sorry to hear that you identify with the "do nothing" camp. I'm sure Pierre will be glad to have you.

Regards,
-AH
Message: Posted by: Mind Guerrilla (Apr 30, 2013 09:41PM)
[quote]
On 2013-04-30 22:36, Adam Hince wrote:
Ah, there we go. I thought I detected your sympathy for Pierre.
[/quote]
I have no sympathy for Pierre and I have no sympathy for rats.

The way you handled Pierre in PMs was sufficient. Any Café user with ethics would have acted similarly. Others without ethics would not have been affected by your post. There was no need to trumpet it on a public forum.
Message: Posted by: Adam Hince (Apr 30, 2013 10:02PM)
[quote]
On 2013-04-30 22:41, Mind Guerrilla wrote:
[quote]
On 2013-04-30 22:36, Adam Hince wrote:
Ah, there we go. I thought I detected your sympathy for Pierre.
[/quote]
I have no sympathy for Pierre and I have no sympathy for rats.

The way you handled Pierre in PMs was sufficient. There was no need to trumpet it on a public forum.
[/quote]

My initial post was just as much for Pierre's benefit, as for other lurkers that are more than willing to try to treat magic forums as their own personal library. It shouldn't be tolerated, and I don't apologize for being vocal about it.

So go ahead, call me a rat. Try to shame me and others from posting when behavior like this occurs. I'll stick to my values.

I just hope you're not leading the parade whining when creators stop releasing material because their sick and tired of being ripped off. When that time comes (and you're foolish if you think some have not already reached this point), at least I'll know that I tried to stand up.

And you can rest assured that you were the Mind Guerrilla that called "rat". Way to stick to your guns.

Regards,
-AH
Message: Posted by: Mind Guerrilla (Apr 30, 2013 10:09PM)
[quote]
On 2013-04-30 23:02, Adam Hince wrote:
So go ahead, call me a rat. Try to shame me and others from posting when behavior like this occurs. I'll stick to my values.
[/quote]
Would you like a plaque or a medal? :)
Message: Posted by: Adam Hince (Apr 30, 2013 10:18PM)
[quote]
On 2013-04-30 23:09, Mind Guerrilla wrote:
[quote]
On 2013-04-30 23:02, Adam Hince wrote:
So go ahead, call me a rat. Try to shame me and others from posting when behavior like this occurs. I'll stick to my values.
[/quote]
Would you like a plaque or a medal? :)
[/quote]

This is the first time that I'm hearing that I have to choose. You just tell me when and where you'll be presenting it. Just don't pull that rat trap stunt again.

I think this thread has been sufficiently derailed, lets try to get back on track: Mind Guerrilla, have you read this ebook? What are your thoughts?

Regards,
-AH
Message: Posted by: Mind Guerrilla (Apr 30, 2013 10:25PM)
[quote]
I think this thread has been sufficiently derailed, lets try to get back on track: Mind Guerrilla, have you read this ebook? What are your thoughts?
[/quote]

I haven't.

Want to send me a copy? :P j/k
Message: Posted by: Adam Hince (Apr 30, 2013 10:33PM)
[quote]
On 2013-04-30 23:25, Mind Guerrilla wrote:
[quote]
I think this thread has been sufficiently derailed, lets try to get back on track: Mind Guerrilla, have you read this ebook? What are your thoughts?
[/quote]

I haven't.

Want to send me a copy? :P j/k
[/quote]

Check your inbox. If it's not there after 10 minutes, just wait longer.

Not that my opinion matters to you, but I'm about halfway through and am enjoying the read very much.

Regards,
-AH
Message: Posted by: Mind Guerrilla (Apr 30, 2013 10:49PM)
[quote]
On 2013-04-30 23:33, Adam Hince wrote:
Check your inbox. If it's not there after 10 minutes, just wait longer.
[/quote]

At least you have a sense of humor. So you can't be [i]all[/i] bad. :P

And you [i]do[/i] have those nicely trimmed whiskers. :)
Message: Posted by: Adam Hince (Apr 30, 2013 10:59PM)
Seeing as the NHL playoffs start today, the whiskers won't be trimmed for long. Time for playoff beard.
You're not an Islanders fan, are you?!

Regards,
-AH
Message: Posted by: Atlas (May 12, 2013 10:39PM)
"Pierre" - I thought I recalled his name turning up before:

http://www.themagiccafe.com/forums/viewtopic.php?topic=473898&forum=15&start=0
Message: Posted by: foxjuliet (May 14, 2013 03:03AM)
Is the book already printed ?
Message: Posted by: Prager (May 14, 2013 09:53AM)
The books are ready to be shipped.
Message: Posted by: Pfauntschi (May 24, 2013 04:56AM)
So if I buy now (let's say from ementalism)...
do I get the updatet version as a pdf?
if not.. where can I get it?
Message: Posted by: tboehnlein (May 27, 2013 11:52AM)
Ack on the subject of the book based on initial reviews of the book , I seriously have to question the value. Ok so what an addendum is being provided on thoughts of the effects, thoughts does not make a workable routine. For $125 I would expect well tested and routines productions, Not possibilities.
Message: Posted by: Adam Hince (Jul 1, 2013 04:01PM)
Did anyone ever receive the printed version? Mine has yet to arrive.

Regards,
-AH
Message: Posted by: Garrette (Jul 1, 2013 04:24PM)
Nor I, but a recent email to Jose was quickly answered. He said all were recently shipped so I am giving it a bit more time.
Message: Posted by: Magic.Maddy (Jul 3, 2013 08:17PM)
I still haven't received mine either. I didn't expect it to take this long.
Message: Posted by: Prager (Jul 4, 2013 10:25AM)
Hi!

The books have been shipped.

Please keep in mind that I did not send them from USA, so it takes more time.

Be well.
Message: Posted by: Peter_turner (Jul 8, 2013 01:09PM)
Looking forward to mine :D

pete x
Message: Posted by: Garrette (Jul 13, 2013 02:45PM)
Got mine yesterday. Haven't had a chance to go through it, but I though everyone should know at least one got delivered.
Message: Posted by: takeachance (Jul 17, 2013 07:28AM)
Any further reviews, seemed to have gone quite. Interested particularly in the PK touch routine.
Message: Posted by: insight (Feb 8, 2014 03:36PM)
I believe it's been about 6 months since Jose Prager has visited the Café, despite negative reviews of Prius. Anyone know if he is alright? I have repeatedly emailed and called, to no avail. Thanks.

Regards,
Mike
Message: Posted by: gijsbertjansen (Feb 8, 2014 04:34PM)
Maybe you should apply to the eEmentalism newsletter. Mr Prager did communicate via that medium in the near past.
Message: Posted by: gijsbertjansen (Feb 8, 2014 04:35PM)
Maybe you should apply to the eEmentalism newsletter. Mr Prager did communicate via that medium in the near past.
Message: Posted by: PendletonThe3rd (Apr 13, 2014 10:35PM)
Just got this recently and I have to say I really like it.

I'm new to mentalism but I found this book very clear and concise yet it offered a nice broad range of ideas/routines that are easy to grasp but challenging to truly master in terms of all the subtleties.

I was immediately able to pull off 3386 and Goat's Touch (still needs much practice, mind you), and am looking forward to giving some of the other effects a try too...Including the ones that required the construction of a gimmick. Normally, I'm not that into DIY but the gimmicks seem pretty straightforward and the payoff immense.

Now I know others have said that some of the routines in this book arent anything new but to me they were since I had no other reference point. And I have to imagine that for those already familiar with some of the principles, they will get a lot out of the scripts themselves and additional thoughts by Peter Turner (which add even more content/ideas to an otherwise terrific set). Either way, I personally learned a nice broad range of material and am happy I got this.

I also have to praise the overall packaging/design of the book. The whole Goat motif adds a nice mystique to the book and the illustrations are just top notch in the way they set the tone. I know that this is all superficial but I certainly appreciate the creativity and design put into it.

Looking forward to soaking more of it up.