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Topic: Marketing a stage act by word of mouth in a tourist town?
Message: Posted by: Siraldi (May 7, 2013 08:41PM)
I've recently landed a pretty awesome gig at a theater in a tourist town near where I live. Each week new people are there. The problems I have are:
1. I'm a young magician in that I'm 22 and I've only done this professionally for less than 2 years
2. Since I am new... I'm still growing my stage act and the marketing money just isn't there
3. So no major marketing... I can do some street performing (though laws highly limit it in this town) but that is it.

So my question. How is the best way to get my name out there. I wanted to do a publicity stunt...but that may have to wait until next year. I am a fairly regular bar goer in my hometown (not where I'm working) so would hitting up the little tavern/bars be good to grab beers and show a few things and get people at my show? Or should I stick to daytime? Or both?

I'm ready to work. I'm not the best... I'm not the worst... but I'm very new. I'm working on a manipulation act and other things. But I need to be performing in front of a crowd for experience. The people at this theater have given me a GREAT opportunity and I don't want to waste it. I'm a college kid... so money IS an issue... and I have to show them they can put money in me. But until then... how do I get crowds?

Thank you guys so much for always hearing me and talking with me. You are much appreciated!


Message: Posted by: jay leslie (May 7, 2013 11:50PM)
Are there magazines and brochures that hotels/motels have on display? Do you have a budget for an TV ad on the hotel/motel(s) cable programing?
If you don't have an advertising budget, you're probably not going to sell a lot of tickets unless the venue ALWAYS has a show in that location and people expect to see one, there. You could always have a girl passing-out discount tickets on the street but you need the brochures and TV exposure to go with it.

I've done this so remember... there are two parts to show business and one of them isn't the show.
Message: Posted by: scottds80 (May 8, 2013 12:04AM)
It's a good investment to buy "success in magic" by Jim Snack. It will definitely guide you in the right direction.
Message: Posted by: Close.Up.Dave (May 8, 2013 06:16AM)
Here's the thing, you say, "the theater has given me this great opportunity," which is true. But, they do not see it as an opportunity for you to hone your chops necessarily. They want your show to eventually make their place money. You can't not simply put money into the marketing, it needs to be done.

Luckily there are tons of cheap ways to do it, so don't be afraid to get creative. Posters on the street (or at a friends gift shop), passing out discount cards, etc. It will take work but it can be done. Since it's a tourist town, find other comparable businesses to a magic show and study what they do.

Also, find out what the theater is willing to invest. They get money too so they probably shouldn't leave everything up to you. Find out if they have a decent email list or good connections in town to utilize.
Message: Posted by: Blair Marshall (May 8, 2013 06:54AM)
Many large cities have what are known as Fringe Festivals. These usually are very experimental shows, many by young folks and with no promotion, or advertising budget. Some of them get amazing results with little or no $$$$. I would search on-line for groups that perform at these, I am sure there must be material out there, or someone from one of these groups that you may be able to hook up with and Skype a brainstorming session. Just a thought.

You also don't say what your "deal" is with the theatre, just that they are giving you a "great opportunity" so not sure if there are $$$$ involved. You indicate it is a tourist town so to me that means there is usually a lot of employment at peak times, perhaps a part time job would allow you to get a good stock of p.r. matieral, postcards, mini cards for hotel racks, hand outs for restaurants. etc

Are you "THE" show?? I get the impression you might be, but then you indicate you are working on your "act". So again not sure what you would be promoting ie. a show with many acts, or a show with you?

Perhaps a little more detail might help us.

Message: Posted by: Dannydoyle (May 8, 2013 07:56AM)
I think this might not be quite the opportunity it seems.

Are paying rent on this theater or a ticket spkit or what? Is it the theaters job to market your show or do you pay rent and they get it no matter what? I would think them far better positioned to do that than you.

I only ask these things because I live in such a town. Branson Missouri to be spacific. I know how this stuff works. But I need a bit more info before I can hepp you.
Message: Posted by: Blair Marshall (May 8, 2013 08:41AM)
I hope he gets back with a little more detail.

Message: Posted by: Mindpro (May 8, 2013 09:11AM)
I too would like to hear more details of the arrangement or great opportunity. Most entertainers are not ready for a theater show after only two years, so I would hope you are seriously looking at the whole deal, bigger picture. Perhaps it's a bit premature? If your show is not possibly quite there and you say your business is not there, maybe this is not so good of timing.

Also living in a tourist town, Las Vegas, doing a show like this before you are ready could be damaging for your future. Also be careful about the street performing idea as how it affects your credibility as a stage performer. Perception is everything. How about some more details, if for nothing else to perhaps determine if this is in fact the great deal you may think it is, and if so so others can give your ideas to proceed.
Message: Posted by: Dannydoyle (May 8, 2013 09:37AM)
Nobody's trying to discourage you. Just find enough info to help. Do keep in mind if people aee paying it is not to watch you work out a show.

Maybe do some concert promoting. Sorry.

Seriously mindpro is right about it could hurt. BUT on the other hand small tourist towns have a short memory so the valuable experience probably outweighs that concern.
Message: Posted by: Robin4Kids (May 8, 2013 11:09AM)
Siraldi, I have been in the advertising & marketing industry for many years and among my local clients are the Convention & Visitors Bureau and numerous tourism attractions. If you check with someone with the local Tri-Cities CV&B, I feel sure they would be glad to advise you on the numerous ways you can inform the tourists about your show. I know locally they would put you on their printed calendar of events and website that the tourists are given to inform them about what is going on. They are generally interested in everything (within reason) that they can add to their calendar to let the tourists know there is plenty going on. The Chamber of Commerce is also a good resource if it is separate from the C&VB, although they sometimes want you to be a member in order for them to publicize your business. May be worth a try though.

I have been to Johnson City for an advertising conference hosted by the local American Advertising Federation club (AAF Northeast Tennessee). AAF chapters are usually made up of marketing professionals and the media. You may find them to be a good resource of promotion as well. Let me know if you need any contact info.

Good luck with your theater gig. Maybe you could make a race car appear on stage!
Message: Posted by: Siraldi (May 8, 2013 07:09PM)
Here's a little bit more. I have just gotten Jim Snack's "Success in Magic Volume 1"

Now about the show. We are going solely of off ticket sales and doing cuts. They also have an apartment underneath the building they are going to let me live in for the summer. I also get free food at the pizza place there. That is basically the deal. I am doing 3 shows a week until it is high-time season... then I'm doing 5 shows a week.

A little about me. I'm 22. I've worked on magic my entire life as a hobby; but a little under 2 years ago I started at the Flea market performing then I went into restaurants. I've been on at 2 restaurants for over a year now and things are going GREAT there! They have promised me my place back after the summer. I've done plenty of birthday parties and social events. I work for a Home Health company going around and doing showss for nursing homes and assisted living facilities. I have close up magic and street magic down (Though I am ALWAYS learning when I can) but I am new to an actual stage. The theater holds around 100 people. Everyone so far who has seen my act has enjoyed it. There are 2 other performers there; one is the number one attraction in the city.

I am new to the stage but am progressing each week. I believe it is time for me to do the stage because I'm decent. But I want to be great. The reason I'm worried abotu crowds is that the owners of the theater gave me a trial period of a Saturday a week for about 5 weeks and it was HARD to drum up business from the street in 4ish hours. It's a 2 hour drive from my home and I'm in school... so that's all the time I had to promote. But I am moving there for the summe rand will have all week. I have all the magic shops that will pass out flyers and BOGO offers for me.

The number one attraction show (one guy) likes me and is helping me out. I will be in a pamphlet sponsored by the town on his page. He is getting half the page and I am getting a quarter... very nice of him!

I would also like to add that I am NOT against working my butt off. I plan on doing so. I have grown fairly close to the owner of the magic shop and he may give me a job there for some cash (if my our schedules work out).

If you need more info; just ask. I say I'm working on my show because I think it IS good... just not yet GREAT! It may possibly be a bit premature... but I believe it will make me work hard. I'm at one theater all week... same place same time.

Again... Thank you guys so much for your help!
Message: Posted by: Siraldi (May 8, 2013 07:43PM)
Also... I know that you guys aren't trying to discourage me. I'm in nursing school and tomorrow is my last day of finals so I'm studying hard. That's why it is taking me so long to reply.
Message: Posted by: Mindpro (May 8, 2013 07:58PM)
This should be interesting...

Who do you want to hear from those that have been there and done that, those that will encourage you and tell you what you want to hear even if you fall on your face, or those that know or have little experience here but wish they were in your shoes?

As I sad, this should be interesting.
Message: Posted by: Siraldi (May 8, 2013 08:07PM)
Well... it's contracted. So it's too late to back out. But I have friends and family for encouragement... I don't need that from you guys. I want to hear the truth and I want to hear what I can do to help myself. In pure honesty. I want to here from anyone who has ideas. Like I said I'm new... I know I am... but I'm really wanting to do this with my life. So I'm wanting to hear anything that could help.
Message: Posted by: charliecheckers (May 8, 2013 11:37PM)
On 2013-05-08 20:58, Mindpro wrote:
Who do you want to hear from those that have been there and done that, those that will encourage you and tell you what you want to hear even if you fall on your face, or those that know or have little experience here but wish they were in your shoes?
Count me among the later group. I googled your name and instantly found your performing venue. I am not sure who you are targeting your show and promotions to demographically. The pricing and show times lend themselves to kid/family performacne, but the show description seems more aimed at an older audience to me. I think by far the greatest opportunity is to piggy back off of the headlinrs shows and I would see if they can introduce you to their audiences at the end of their shows. I'm not saying this will fill your show by any means, but at least they know about the theater and like shows (and hopefully enjoyed themselves).

I would be concerned about further pricing incentives, as your show is already dirt cheap and further reductions may backfire in terms of perceived value and kill any profits. If they are not coming at your listed prices, my guess is that cost has little to do with why they are not coming. I might consider an interactive trick that is linked to the flyers/postcards you distribute to create curiosity.

Most importantly though, I would reach out to those who have or are successfully marketing shows in theaters in tourist towns and hope they are willing to share some of their knowledge.

Good luck.
Message: Posted by: Siraldi (May 9, 2013 12:12AM)
Thank you for looking. I never thought of that ha ha. And I honestly think that I am the only Siraldi (except for someone in another country who is S. Iraldi) so I really have no target in marketing. I want to do a more older age show... but it's hard since that is really the only time I am able to have a show. The town closes down fairly early.

I found that before they weren't coming because they saw me that day and already had plans at the time. One reason anyways. But I may talk to the other guys about talking about me at their shows. And what kind of interactive trick? But I am hoping to play with prices. I eventually want to raise my price; of course; but I was thinking the same thing about other discounts... but I would rather have a full house cheap than no one. But you make a very valid point

And I am actually going to try to talk to the other big magician nearby. He's a really nice guy and has been there since I can remember. I've just been too far away and too involved in school to be able to talk to him
Message: Posted by: charliemartin (May 9, 2013 02:24AM)
I guess I'm one of those who is going to say "you are over your head". Doing close up is very different from "putting on a show". I applaud your ambition but instead of taking "baby steps" in our industry, you are taking giant leaps. Are you seriously ready for this challenge?
Message: Posted by: Dannydoyle (May 9, 2013 02:25AM)
Whag town may I ask?
Message: Posted by: Mindpro (May 9, 2013 05:58AM)
Sounds like Terry Evanswood-ville
Message: Posted by: Siraldi (May 9, 2013 06:32AM)
It is Terry Evanswood-ville. He is close friends to my Mentor so I'm hoping he will help me out. He seems like an outstanding person! It is in Gatlinburg; TN.

And I was taking baby-steps but the owners gave me this opportunity... and it was nearly impossible to turn down. I will post some clips in the coming weeks hopefully (once I learn how to edit on the computer ha ha ha). I have found that it's very different... but I sincerely believe I'm up to the challenge. I've dedicated the entire summer to nothing else but this. It's very hard to turn down a giant leap... I believe my show is fine. I just need some help with getting people there in a tourist town.

But again... I sincerely appreciate you all.
Message: Posted by: Robin4Kids (May 9, 2013 06:37AM)
Sounds more like Gatlinburg!
Message: Posted by: Mindpro (May 9, 2013 07:20AM)
Terry is a great guy that I've known and helped promote since he was just a kid. He is one of the nicest professionals you would ever meet. I would have some serious concerns about you getting into this prematurely but since you are committed I wish you the best of luck as I hope you are open-minded and a quick learner. Things happen fast, but you must take control of this situation, actually opportunity. There are many low and no-cost things you need to focus on to promote. You need to spend every waking hour when you are not on stage, while living there to promote, promote, promote. Just one word of caution - be sure everything is legal and compliant with local ordinances as many tourist areas including Gatlinburg as far as public promotion especially with fliers, coupons, cards or paper products.

You are establishing a foundation. You need to give some thought and perspective to the demographic you need (need not want) as it will make marketing and promotion easier and ultimately more cost-effective. Remember, it's not about the demo you want, but rather the area, venue, and who the theater is targeting.

This may be a very bumpy process and may not turn out so well but will surely be a learning experience for you. Just try to maintain good relationships, not burn any bridges, and treat your audiences with respect as they are your greatest form of advertising for future possibilities.

In reality you are only as good as your performance which I would be very concerned with having no stage experience. Having to create a stage show tat contains all of the crucial components AND marketing and promotion would be tough for even the longtime seasoned professional, so you have an uphill effort in front of you, but since you're committed just put your head down, LISTEN from those that are willing to help you, be appreciative to Terry and others, and learn, learn learn while you work, work work. Opportunity is a great thing, if you are ready and prepared for it. If not be careful as it can be damaging.

Good luck, I wish you the best.
Message: Posted by: Dannydoyle (May 9, 2013 08:19AM)
Good luck.
Message: Posted by: Siraldi (May 9, 2013 10:20AM)
Robin4kids: It is Gatlinburg. It's across the woods from Pigeon Forge and Terry Evanswood... but not far

Mindpro: I think he's a great guy in the least. I've only been able to meet with him once; but as soon as I'm able (hopefully next week) I'm going to try to talk to him whenever he gets the chance. I already appreciate him for talking what little I've been able to. Like I said he's good friend's with the man I consider my mentor; and he speaks HIGHLY of Terry... so I have nothing but the upmost respect for him... I mean... He's a Merlin Award winner... and just has the professional aura about him.

And I've already talked with some people about local ordinances... I'm working on finding a place to do that. You have to be on private property; so that is possibly in the works. But the magic shops there are willing to help; Doc Waddell is a great guy also.

And demmographs... I'm going for families. I would LOVE to have an adult show!... but I know in Appalachia that it would be nearly impossible; so kids are mainly where I'm marketing on the street... families.

And I'm planning on a bumpy process... but I'm willing to risk a few bumps and bruises for the experience I am going to have. I've done performances of different kinds my entire life... but before it was music. So I do have a lot to learn on stage... but I am dedicated. And I do treat my audience as good as possible... they're all I've got! And that's one reason I stay on here is to find your guys' advice... I talk very frequently to some important men in magic in this area... so I try to keep an open mind... right now I just hope I can find where to put my head! =]

And I really believe I'm ready for this. I mean... you guys don't know me... so it's hard to judge over text and reading... but I've worked hard. I would say "work work work" and with the promoting... it will be... but If I'm not out somewhere doing magic... I'm in front of my practice mirror practicing.

Mindpro: I really appreciate your advice! And thanks! I wish you the best also!
Message: Posted by: charliecheckers (May 9, 2013 10:33PM)
On 2013-05-09 01:12, Siraldi wrote:
And what kind of interactive trick?
You will see several that Copperfield performed if you Google "Copperfield interactive magic". I also believe he did one with his live audience, but I do not recall the details.
Message: Posted by: dearwiseone (May 9, 2013 11:53PM)
Without a doubt the best thing you can do in a tourist town (if you're marketing a show to tourists) is win over the hotel staff. This comes from personal experience. Everyone and their dog asks the front desk staff at the hotel for recommendations on shows, dinner, attractions. They know the front desk staff are "locals" so they know the "inside scoop." People ask when they check in, people call all night on the phones..."Where's the best place to eat in town?"

When I worked front desk, we had businesses bring in gift baskets, free VIP tickets to shows. One of our favorite was a guy who would bring in cash each month. When we recommended his business to a tourist, we signed the back of one of our business cards and told them it would get them a 10% discount. Each month, the business owner came in with $5 attached to each business card he had received. Cash talks! He had one of the most successful businesses in town.

In the tourist town I worked in, I saw my fair share of businesses fail. Some never bothered to introduce themselves or provide tickets for a free show. When people asked about it, I just had to say I didn't know, I had never been. It was the truth.

Front desk staff and hotels have more power over your show than any billboard or magazine ad ever could. Treat them like gold. Go to each hotel individually, introduce yourself, the show, etc. This is maybe the greatest "secret" of success in a tourist town most people don't seem to ever address.

Just my thoughts!
Best Wishes!

P.S. - oh yes...this is all IF you have a good show, run a good business, etc. Even hotel front desk staff can't save a bad show, poor management, etc.!
Message: Posted by: Dannydoyle (May 10, 2013 04:27AM)
Out of curiosity how many offering advice have done long term gigs in tourist towns and been successful?
Message: Posted by: charliemartin (May 10, 2013 05:20AM)
Contact Duane Laflin, he has a show in a touristy town in South Dakota. He might be able to give you some survivor ideas.
Message: Posted by: charliecheckers (May 10, 2013 08:35AM)
On 2013-05-10 05:27, Dannydoyle wrote:
Out of curiosity how many offering advice have done long term gigs in tourist towns and been successful?
Out of curiosity, why are you curious?
Message: Posted by: Dannydoyle (May 10, 2013 09:42AM)
Just wondering. It is a different world I never would have imagined till we did it. Almost nothing I thought I knew translated.
Message: Posted by: Mindpro (May 10, 2013 10:05AM)
True, most that think they know what it takes and what is involved ends up finding it's much more than they realize and nothing as expected. Funny how often the show is the least factor of the equation. (But if the shows not right on, the rest doesn't have a chance). I would be curious too. I think also helps the original poster to determine who is offering real insight rather than just opinion or theory.

I do hope he keeps us posted on his thoughts and progress and I think it would be helpful to others to realize the realities of such a possibility.
Message: Posted by: Dannydoyle (May 10, 2013 10:27AM)
I am not trying to discourage anyone from having an opinion. I am not trying to discourage him from doing the show. Lord knows another poster here would call us jealous if we did.

But I do believe that in this case the guy deserves to know what he is dealing with. I have lived in such a town for a decade and watched and helped many shows. Even in the very town the OP speaks of. I will say only the next few thoughts and then the usual wizards of smart can take over.

This is not like Any market you have ever been in. People come for an average of 3.5 days or so and go to an average of 1.9 shows. Those numbers in every drive to destination in America have seen a steep and disturbing decline in recent years. Now with not a dime for a budget you want buts in seats.

It is called "intercept marketing". They come for the destination or another show and you want to steer them into your show while they are there. With no budget to tell them who you are. Or for that matter WHERE you are.

Oh and you have a lot of other people trying to do the exact same thing only some with a considerable budget. Most of whom have been in town for years and have given free tickets to all the servers and hotel people in town already during something they call "area appreciation". Plus most in the service industry go to shows for free anyhow.

Hard work won't cut it. Plan on doing shows for single digits for a while unless the theater gets behind you. Douhle digits if they do.

I am only properly defining what you need to accomplish so you are not run off. It will take perservierence to plow through. I wish you the best. Everyone started that way.

Oh and in between the show must be done.
Message: Posted by: Siraldi (May 10, 2013 02:22PM)
Dearwiseone: I have recently been told something similar by someone. There are a few time shares near me that I plan on meeting with next week and talking to the activities coordinator about my show. I'm considering trying to do a free show for them a week in kind of a close up way to introduce myself to the people in the town. But I planned on that; but hotels didn't even register in my mind! Thank you for that! I say I've only done magic for about 2 years because that's when I got on at the restaurants I work. I'm thinking of trying to take a day and go through the restaurants (if the managers let me) and do a little magic and promote my show. But I will DEFINITELY be sure to check with the hotels! Thank you!

Dannydoyle: I am planning on doing very small shows for a while. I'm not one to get discouraged easily... this is what I want and I realize I have to pay my dues like everyone else. There are 2 tourist towns disconnected by apx. 15 minute drive. Terry Evanswood is in the other town (Again... I must say... GREAT guy and a FANTASTIC show!) and I am the other magic show. There are other shows; but I'm the only magician that I know of in this town.

And I do believe my show is par. It's not greatly above par... but it is a decent show.

Again... I want to show my gratitude to you all. Those of you with experience in a town like this.. THANK YOU! Those of you with out experience in a town like this... THANK YOU TOO! I'm just looking for ideas. I start next week and want to hit the ground running. I will be keeping you all posted anytime I have time. Thank you guys... SO MUCH!
Message: Posted by: Dannydoyle (May 10, 2013 02:42PM)
You are already missing the point. The other shows are competing with you for the same tourist dollars. Along with big slides and so forth. People do not have magic show money and other show money. They have moeny to do things. Understanding the difference is fairly important.

Again I turn you over to the usual wizards of smart.

I wish the best for you. I hope this turns into many years of a great job!
Message: Posted by: charliecheckers (May 10, 2013 05:23PM)
On 2013-05-10 11:27, Dannydoyle wrote:
But I do believe that in this case the guy deserves to know what he is dealing with.
Point well made, because he has not a moment to lose traveling down the wrong paths. I shared my disclaimer in my first post on this thread, but I do see others have posted without a point of refrence as to if they have been successful with their advice. It would be interesting to hear what those with success in this environment would do if they woke up tommorow and found themselves in his shoes, with his skills, and lack of money - with a season of shows booked at the same location he does. What would your top priorities be? How would you structure your show? How would you scramble to build an audience? What would be things you would avoid because of the low return on your time investment? If you look up Siraldi you will see where he is performing, the other acts, as well as his show time and prices. Would you focus on one marquee effect that you could promote? Obviously an entire book could be written on this topic, but a few more insights would be awesome to see - just out of interest.
Message: Posted by: Mindpro (May 10, 2013 05:58PM)
This is not meant towards the original poster, but I (based on my own experience with this) would not accept this no matter how badly I wanted it if my show wasn't already stage-ready. There's too much at risk for you, the venue, promoter, the public and all parties involved. In this current economy the last thing a tourist area needs is a poor show, the damage can be staggering in the bigger picture.

There is so much to do and so many aspects of this type of event, venue and production, you almost literally have no time for the show part at this point. That's why under normal circumstances you work on the show during a rehearsal period. When it's ready to go into production there is so much business that needs to be done it's literally all-consuming.

Secondly, there is no money in this deal thrown together so quickly. The only real hope for income is in other and alternate streams and resources separate from ticket sales. Third, you have to have money and resources to promote and market. Of course there are the givens, the traditional ticket brokers and discount outlets, card racks (can be big money), local media, tourist directories and magazines, local t.v. and radio, papering shows, greasing concierges and taxi drivers, billboards, mobile advertising, NTR advertising exclusive to the area, coop ventures, and a few that I'm purposefully leaving since this is a public forum, but you get the idea. By the time the show is here you last thing you should be thinking about is the content of the show.

Performing a stage show in a tourist area is much different than most types of performing. Performers often think "Oh I've done corporate or I've done banquets" but hosting a stage show is much different. Your personality must be fully developed, your method to appeal to and win the audience over before you ever do any magic is crucial. It's about you, not your magic.

As I said earlier this would be hard if you had a stage-ready show already in place. Without any workable budget it us not going to be easy. You'd better be like a politician and start kissin' babies and as*&s.

Most entertainers have a support system of those in the show, family and friends. This is where you need to put them yo work with you, but have a structured plan, that as I mentioned before is compliant with local ordinances. You do not want to p-off the town or area as your first impression. As they sat - "hit the pavement running. Vest source of advertising is happy customers recommending the great show to others. That helps create the ever so important buzz. Danny's advice was priceless above and something many do not learn until well into this and deeply in the hole. Very generous of Danny.

he greatest low-cost resource is in-house promotion to customers that have already found the venue.
Message: Posted by: charliecheckers (May 14, 2013 04:21PM)
Siraldi - FYI David Garrity is putting together a listing of those who are performing shows for the summer season to inform fellow magicians where they can catch magic shows while on vacations. The thread is in Grand Illusion section. http://www.themagiccafe.com/forums/viewtopic.php?topic=508780&forum=7&11
Message: Posted by: Mindpro (Sep 8, 2013 02:58PM)
So any updates on how the Summer and this deal went. I know many here offered you support and input and I was hoping you could update us to how it went, what you learned and your thoughts now in hindsight? Thanks!
Message: Posted by: charliecheckers (Sep 8, 2013 10:02PM)
I just sent him a PM. I have not seen a post from him here in a while, so I hope he responds.
Message: Posted by: Mindpro (Sep 8, 2013 10:21PM)
I know the show ended after just a few weeks, but would like to hear more about it from his experience.
Message: Posted by: magicofCurtis (Sep 16, 2013 10:56AM)
Education and intelligence accomplish nothing without action.
It doesnít matter if you have a genius IQ and a PhD in Quantum Physics, you canít change anything or make any sort of real-world progress without taking action. Thereís a huge difference between knowing how to do something and actually doing it. Knowledge and intelligence are both useless without action. Itís as simple as that. For some practical guidance on taking action, I highly recommend The Now Habit.

SO now go and create your show and promote it!
Message: Posted by: Mindpro (Sep 16, 2013 11:14AM)
True, but in this case, as he himself admitted, he didn't have the experience or education. He signed up and accepted it first and then jumped in with how to pull it off. This is never a good approach. I think he was willing to take action or put in the effort but didn't properly know how.

It seems to be over, and I applaud him for his effort. However, it should have been a learning experience and education for him, and I know his experience could surely help others here and that have been following along with this thread, which is why I hope he posts here to share his experience so others can learn about it.

There was recently a 4 Walling post for someone who just tried to do a show of his own and stumbled and had some problems, but he can on here to share his experience with others and everyone was very nice and supportive of him and I believe it helped him as well as everyone following the thread.

Many threads here are about members successes or accomplishments, but while those are great it is the disappointments, setbacks and failures that we can learn the most from. It's also real-world actual experience which is what I always prefer to deal in rather than theory or armchair performers or event producers.

I hope he shares his thoughts with us.
Message: Posted by: Dannydoyle (Sep 16, 2013 03:07PM)
"Never take advice from someone who doesn't have to live with the consequences."

My fathers advice to me from early childhood rings through my head as I read these posts.

I think I would add an addendum which involves not taking advice from someone who has never done what they are telling you to do. Much less succeed for any length of time.

I hope he did ok. I doubt it but I wish him the best.