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Topic: Handkerchief vanish and appearance via TT - too overexposed to perform?
Message: Posted by: cafeinst (May 30, 2013 02:41PM)
The handkerchief vanish and appearance via the TT is perhaps the most amazing effect in magic. But in my experience, many laymen know the secret.

I'm wondering whether this effect is too overexposed to perform. What do you think?
Message: Posted by: Dougini (May 30, 2013 03:47PM)
Hi Caféinst!

Depends on who you do it for. The Masked Moron exposed the Dye Tube, and it's currently on YouTube along with the rest of his exposures. Yeah. That hurt me. Bad. I was embarrassed to the point of almost tears, when my "friends" turned on the 60-inch and played YouTube on the 'net. There it was, for all to see. I still hear the laughter... :(

That said, I've done Silk Vanish with my TT, and really...it's not that well known.

Doug
Message: Posted by: Bill Hegbli (May 30, 2013 04:42PM)
Just perform it for kids and people a lot younger then yourself.

I recently experienced the same thing. I showed a man in his thirties and a man in his seventies. They were sitting talking. The man in his thirties at once knew of the trick, and the older man never has seen it, and totally fooled him.

Ya just never know, if you do show it, just make as entertaining and mysterious as you can, and if something is said, don't let your face reveal they were correct in their solution, that will just spoil it for the other not in the know.
Message: Posted by: Ekuth (May 30, 2013 06:36PM)
I've been performing it at every show I do and not *once* has anyone caught on, known it, or called me out.
In fact, it's the one effect I can rely on to draw gasps EVERY time.

There's nothing like a bare hand vanish to make them scratch their heads.

No, I don't think it's overexposed. I think we as magicians have an irrational fear of YouTube exposure; the fact of the matter is that 90% of people aren't browsing YouTube looking for magic effect spoilers. Only those interested to begin with, or after the effect will go searching. Which is why I never, ever, call an effect by name or its proper name.

My silk from silk, for example; I refer to as my 'handkerchief of holding'... and patter about the hidden spaces between the threads. I love watching people look at the silk threads, hold it up to the light looking for pockets, ect... put the heat on the silk, not the hands.

I've also found that switching hands and doing the vanish in both throws the know it alls off. Very easy to move the tip from hand to hand while stroking the silk; I use a variation of Ammar's finger palm for the TT. Actually, the only time the TT is on my thumb is at the very beginning of the routine and again at the end. The rest of the time its constantly in play.

Use the effect, and don't worry about exposure.
Message: Posted by: markofmagic (May 31, 2013 08:24AM)
As with any other trick, when done correctly those around will enjoy the presentation even if they know or think that they know how it is done. I'm amazed at the number of people that tells me thay know how I did something and when they try to explain it to me they have now idea of how it is actually performed. I just smile and leave them hanging. Go ahead and perform the trick with the TT and perform it well all will enjoy it. I still use it all the time.
Message: Posted by: Necromancer (Jul 3, 2013 05:48PM)
If you've ever seen Ursula Martinez perform, this would not be a question. Intelligent and entertaining theatrical framing saves the day every time.
Message: Posted by: Stephon Johnson (Jul 3, 2013 06:17PM)
Are we talking about using the TT and the very small silk that goes totally in the TT, or vanishing a large silk and using the TT with a corner decoy while you go south with the real silk? I suggest the latter version is less known.
I've recently become very interested in a Fujiwara 1 & 2 gimmick. Anyone tried those out? Would seem to fool the TT know it all.
Steph
Message: Posted by: Robin4Kids (Jul 3, 2013 06:23PM)
I think we have to remember that even though the TT has been exposed on tv, internet and even in kids' magic sets, there are still more men, women and children that are not familar with it or don't remember to make the connection when they see it used. They are the majority of your audience. Those of us that use a TT are running across the exposures on the internet a lot more than non-magicians, because it is part of the interests that we search for, watch and read. In our minds it is an overexposed gimmick, but in the minds of most of the people that watch us use it, they are amazed on a regular basis.
Message: Posted by: Stephon Johnson (Jul 3, 2013 11:03PM)
Another thing to consider: Is the action of ramming something into the fist and finishing by sticking the thumb into the fist, followed by a vanish familiar to the generation that has grown up with magic kits and Youtube? Yes...BUT...that is the sequence and LACK of subtlety that magic kit "enthusiasts" are accustomed to. A properly constructed and executed effect using a TT, employing some subtlety and masking the process properly will still leave these "in the know" folks dumbfounded.
I have gone so far as to steal the TT from my fist with my second finger like a Dye Tube, continuing poking with the index finger and then moving it to the thumb as I concentrate on the other hand where the vanish is about to happen - only then flashing my hand toward the audience as I ask them to watch closely.
Almost ANY over exposed trick can be maintained as a fooler when we take a little time to "disassemble" the mechanics and "reassemble" the basics in a slightly different sequence, or cloak it in the process of doing something else. In this instance, a fairly clever version I've seen involved borrowing a dollar bill, rolling it into a cone, producing and/or vanishing a small silk streamer in the "cone" rather than your fist. The act of rolling the cone and consequently unrolling and showing the dollar bill empty is just as easy or easier than the fist, but different enough to be deceptive to the magic kit crowd. Thoughts?
Message: Posted by: Payne (Jul 4, 2013 06:41AM)
If you're worried, use a fingertip instead of a thumb tip. It fools those in the know.
Message: Posted by: the fritz (Jul 4, 2013 07:49PM)
I don't think it will ever be too overexposed to perform. It is a beautifully pure effect. The purest tricks in magic are to make something appear or make something disappear. Doing this with something as unwieldy as a handkerchief is even more impressive and fascinating than doing it with a small object that everyone knows can be hidden in your hand. Alexander De Cova has some very nice thoughts on the use of the TT. Consider his thoughts in your choreography and you will fool magicians... nobody is more overexposed to this method than us!

Bottom line... the trick is amazing and will never be too overexposed to use. Just practice it and don't perform it like an amateur would.
Message: Posted by: alexander_may (Jul 5, 2013 07:01AM)
Master Payne has a good point. I've substituted the TT for a finger tip long ago. And scaled down to 9inch silks, to fit in easier. I've even seen a magician that also uses a finger tip showing his thumb to the audience saying,"No I don't put it into a plastic thumb!" That might be an idea if you are afraid that the people may know the TT.
Message: Posted by: bkmeyer (Jul 5, 2013 02:10PM)
Using the kick out method I believe counters any objections from those who know about a TT. The thumb never needs to enter the top of the fist.

I do believe this vanish is extremely powerful. I once did a show for a church youth group. The back row of teens were the tough types, too cool for magic. As I recall, I opened with a simple routine with a hank and TT. Halfway through the routine, the back row of teens stood and moved to the second or third row. That response said more than applause for that routine.

I also love using the hank ball (the Laflin methods) because the manipulation is so smooth and I can use an 18" hank.
Message: Posted by: the fritz (Jul 5, 2013 07:19PM)
The Flicking Fingers: The Movie has a great version using an FT instead of a TT. The DVD is one of the most entertaining magic dvds I have ever seen. It's worth it just for that.
Message: Posted by: Bob Sanders (Jul 6, 2013 03:22AM)
If the secret to magic were that nobody knew how it was done, card magic and most mental magic would no longer be considered magic. Entertainment is the secret to success in magic. The mechanics of the trick are just keys on the piano. It is about how you make the audience feel. Audiences do differ but originality is very overrated and usually by the performer.

Lucy and I just laugh about being rehired for a convention center stage show last November. A stipulation by the talent buyer was that the show would be exactly the same one we did for them April 15, 2005! Being original would be the fast tract to being unemployed. Audiences have expectations. It's not a puzzle and they are not stupid. Don't fool yourself!

After only 52 years as a performing magician, I use thumb tips all the time. We also still get paid in dollars. Something is working!

Don't make excuses to help you fail. Entertain the audience!

Bob Sanders
Message: Posted by: David Fillary (Jul 7, 2013 11:21PM)
A spectator is perhaps more likely to know of the silk vanish if they grew up during the Penn and Teller show era. I'm a student and no one has a clue. The one time someone mentioned a TT was when I was accused of using it to vanish a coin, which must have been made of rubber - that was when I used Down's Palm!
Yesterday, I performed for a some tailors in a shop. I did the silk vanish on one of them, who asked me to show the other. He said that he had a magic set as a kid, so I immediately mentioned that he may know how this is done... he had no idea!
Message: Posted by: Oberon_Puck (Jul 8, 2013 04:48PM)
It depends on how you handle the whole thing. If you shove your thumb in last and then show your hand empty it can be rather telling, so keep poking with the other fingers for a beat or two after you have stolen the TT. Or use the kick out if you really worry.
Message: Posted by: Herr Brian Tabor (Jul 8, 2013 08:00PM)
I do it all the time. I don't shove my thumb in at all though. My thumb never goes in the fist. I pivot the TT out the back first and steal it while I'm pushing the index finger in. I remember watching Night at the Museum with some friends and when it was exposed they all laughed. After the movie, while eating dinner, I explained that real magicians don't do something silly like that, let me show you. Then I did exactly what I said I didn't do, and floored them. It's all in presentation, in my opinion. Sure, some will know no matter what, but I think those people are somewhat more rare than you'd think. I doubt most people remember that from the movie, and from anywhere else as well.
Message: Posted by: bowers (Jul 14, 2013 11:18PM)
Yes technique is everything with this effect.
Todd
Message: Posted by: cafeinst (Jul 17, 2013 05:51PM)
I'm beginning to think that the proper way to do this trick is to color the TT green and never show it to the audience. Sort of like regular sleight of hand, pretending to put a coin in one hand while really keeping it in the other hand. There is really no reason to show the TT to the audience, expecting them to overlook it. What is the gain in doing so?
Message: Posted by: David Fillary (Jul 20, 2013 11:33PM)
[quote]
On 2013-07-17 13:51, Caféinst wrote:
I'm beginning to think that the proper way to do this trick is to color the TT green and never show it to the audience. Sort of like regular sleight of hand, pretending to put a coin in one hand while really keeping it in the other hand. There is really no reason to show the TT to the audience, expecting them to overlook it. What is the gain in doing so?
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I would say it is much more powerful in showing the hand completely empty. A coin vanish on its own isn't that powerful - they know it is in the other hand. So you beat them to it with a quick coin reveal if it's part of a one coin routine. Or you use it as a move in a more powerful routine.

If a matching silk appeared in a previously empty item held in their hand, then there would be no reason to show the hands empty (this has just given me an idea for a trick - thanks for starting this!).

However, if you're simply vanishing a handkerchief, then you need to show both hands empty otherwise they will just think it is in the other hand. When my TT became really dirty, I tried performing the vanish without flashing the hand empty and it was nowhere near as effective. I used a bill as a "wand" for a while and that was a little better, but still not as great. These methods work really well for salt or liquid as that is clearly impossible to keep hidden in the hand, but a hanky is not.

^Just my opinion of course, and many more experienced magicians say how it doesn't matter what colour the tt is. I agree for most effects, but I think for this one it really does.
Message: Posted by: cafeinst (Jul 21, 2013 03:59AM)
I've been doing coin vanishes for 33 years and it's very effective.
Message: Posted by: Anatole (Jul 22, 2013 12:17AM)
The vanish via a TT as a stand-alone effect is a weak trick. It needs to be part of a routine where the handkerchief is vanished and reproduced from some unusual place. I don't mean necessarily to reproduce the vanished silk from the TT itself. Reproduce it via a duplicate hank. I like to "reproduce it" from inside a peanut brittle snake can with some comedy byplay teasing the audience in a kidshow that knows there are snakes in the can because most of them know the snake can. I've also reproduced a silk from inside the MAK Magic "Milk in Light Bulb" lamp. (A silk-in-light-bulb is safer, cleaner and simpler than milk-in-light-bulb would be.) And don't forget that you can use a TT to produce or vanish something besides a silk--like a sponge ball. Jay Scott Berry has some nice ideas with a TT that you might want to explore.


Keep in mind, too, that even laymen who know a magic secret or two are still entertained and appreciate when a novel presentation is given to a trick that they know. You can fool a lot of lay people who have bought the "Short and Long Cards" by using a Bicycle Svengali deck as long as you skip the part where the deck becomes all the same card. And we've all heard the story of a magician doing the linking rings and someone coming up afterwards and saying, "I had a set of rings like that, but mine didn't work the way yours does."

----- Amado "Sonny" Narvaez
Message: Posted by: Maxy (Jan 6, 2014 03:00AM)
If you you are panic and give attention to TT then all spectators will see it. Natural handling and smooth moves will make the effect very magical.

Pat Page has very excellent video about TT and his clever handling.
Alexander De Cova also has excellent video.

I like the idea of Rocco's Flipper TT because it eliminates the need to remove TT in order to retrieve silk because you can reproduce silk without taking TT out.

Fujiwara gimmick it is handling more smooth than TT and it can load more big load.
Fi*r T also can look more better than TT handling but it is very small and can load less than TT.

In my handling to TT I use rubber one which is flexible and I put it on middle finger , just I curl my fingers little and it will not show at all and I can move , gesture and do everything without problem or flashing.

I use rubber one because I can steal it very quickly and easy from hand to hand ,specially when I stroke the silk and steal in other hand it will go very smooth.Also when you palm it you can compress it and make it more small.
Message: Posted by: arthur stead (Jan 6, 2014 03:24AM)
[quote]
On 2013-05-30 14:36, Ekuth wrote:
I've been performing it at every show I do and not *once* has anyone caught on, known it, or called me out.
In fact, it's the one effect I can rely on to draw gasps EVERY time.

[/quote]

Same for me. It all depends on how well you present it, and how comfortable you are with the "moves."
Message: Posted by: Magnus Eisengrim (Jan 6, 2014 05:51PM)
At a recent gig, as soon as I pulled a silk out of my pocket one of the spectators leaned over to his girlfriend and started whispering while gesturing to his thumb. There are some--many perhaps--who have dabbled in a bit of magic and think TT as soon as they see a silk. While the routine involved more than the disappearance of the silk, I suspect he felt pretty good about having a "theory" that could explain about 10% of the trick. Is this a problem? I don't know.
Message: Posted by: Dick Oslund (Jan 6, 2014 08:38PM)
[quote]
On 2013-07-03 14:17, Stephon Johnson wrote:
Are we talking about using the TT and the very small silk that goes totally in the TT, or vanishing a large silk and using the TT with a corner decoy while you go south with the real silk? I suggest the latter version is less known.
I've recently become very interested in a Fujiwara 1 & 2 gimmick. Anyone tried those out? Would seem to fool the TT know it all.
Steph
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Steven...the "latter" version is, as far as I know, an idea of Burling Hull's (sometimes known to old timers as Hurling Bull) I'm fairly sure that the "official" name is ELUSIVE SILK. (at least that's what Harold Rice called it)

It's not too often seen. I think it's because the original handling required p*lm*ng a loose silk. Karrell Fox had a much simpler handling in one of his books, and I'm puttin another handling which I developed in my book

I've gotten lots of use out of it for walkarounds. My version requires no set up...it's instantly repeatable.
Message: Posted by: Bill Hegbli (Jan 6, 2014 08:44PM)
[quote]
On 2014-01-06 12:51, Magnus Eisengrim wrote:
At a recent gig, as soon as I pulled a silk out of my pocket one of the spectators leaned over to his girlfriend and started whispering while gesturing to his thumb. There are some--many perhaps--who have dabbled in a bit of magic and think TT as soon as they see a silk. While the routine involved more than the disappearance of the silk, I suspect he felt pretty good about having a "theory" that could explain about 10% of the trick. Is this a problem? I don't know.
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Sounds more like you are bothered just because people are talking. This shows your gilt. How do you know he was talking about you and the silk, maybe he had a hangnail and telling his girlfriend it hurts. Now if the person yelled out something, then be concerned. Your job is to do the trick so well that that guy questions his own knowledge (if he has any), again you assuming every one on the planet has or had an interest in magic.
Message: Posted by: Dick Oslund (Jan 6, 2014 08:48PM)
[quote]
On 2013-07-03 14:17, Stephon Johnson wrote:
Are we talking about using the TT and the very small silk that goes totally in the TT, or vanishing a large silk and using the TT with a corner decoy while you go south with the real silk? I suggest the latter version is less known.
I've recently become very interested in a Fujiwara 1 & 2 gimmick. Anyone tried those out? Would seem to fool the TT know it all.
Steph
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Message: Posted by: Dick Oslund (Jan 6, 2014 09:17PM)
HeQQ! Ignore the last post of mine above~ In a fit of stupidity, more or less, I punched the submit button before I wrote my comment!

I've enjoyed reading down this thread. In 1975,at the SAM convention in Chicago, J.B. BOBO and I had found a couch in a corner and were having a jackpot session. We hadn't seen each other in a few years. The young guys who read this may be interested to hear that when professionals visit, they seldom do tricks or even talk about tricks. We mainly talk business. We exchange news of associates and what they are doing, etc.

So, I was slightly surprised when J. B. said, "Hey Dick, have you seen this?" He produced a 12" silk and then vanished it with one of the relatively new (then) Vernet TT's. "No." I said. "That looks good." He showed me what he was doing. I put it "in" that fall, and I used it to open for about five years,

I used a 4 momme 12" silk, and the TT handled it fine. A couple years later, the long Vernets were available, and now, when I do it, I use an 18" half silk. IT STILL PLAYS STRONG,

Of course, I don't do LITTLE JACK HORNER! (STICKING ONE'S THUMB IN TO STEAL THE TT) AND, I don't say,"Here I have a little red SILK. ETC.!!!

Old timers know! IT'S ALL IN THE PRESENTATION! The PERFORMER is always more important thsn the PROP!!!

A number of old timers above have made this point already,and they've said it well, but ONE NORE "can't hurt, and might help!"
Message: Posted by: arthur stead (Jan 6, 2014 11:19PM)
Hey Dick, well said! And I agree with you 100% about NOT inserting one's thumb.
Message: Posted by: dykstraj99 (Jan 7, 2014 12:50AM)
I always laugh about this one. I constantly show my wife all kinds of "dazzling" tricks, but over the years, the one she likes the best and doesn't roll her eyes at, is the old tt silk vanish. It always cracks me up :)
Message: Posted by: Ekuth (Jan 17, 2014 07:23AM)
[quote]
On 2014-01-06 18:19, arthur stead wrote:
Hey Dick, well said! And I agree with you 100% about NOT inserting one's thumb.
[/quote]

Here, here. I use the kickout myself and steal the TT on my index or middle finger and then transfer.
Thumb never goes in the hole... no, no, no.
Message: Posted by: Dick Oslund (Jan 17, 2014 11:11AM)
Thanks ARTHUR & EKUTH for the POSITIVE COMMENTS!

I fear too many performers do not realize the potential in basic props,& fekes! The TT is "versatile", but very few "experiment" to learn that!
Message: Posted by: RajeshLGov (Jan 21, 2014 08:39AM)
I believe there are better ways to vanish/appear bigger silks, creating a stronger impact. I love the TT for producing/vanishing salt/pepper from borrowed currency. Whenever I performed it, got great reactions. I used TT for BS previously, but these days I'm using a method that (I think I came up with) helps me achieve a BS for more effectively sans the TT.
Message: Posted by: bowers (Jan 23, 2014 03:11AM)
It's still my favorite way to do a bill change.
Todd
Message: Posted by: Magnus Eisengrim (Jan 23, 2014 06:27PM)
[quote]
On 2014-01-06 15:44, Bill Hegbli wrote:
[quote]
On 2014-01-06 12:51, Magnus Eisengrim wrote:
At a recent gig, as soon as I pulled a silk out of my pocket one of the spectators leaned over to his girlfriend and started whispering while gesturing to his thumb. There are some--many perhaps--who have dabbled in a bit of magic and think TT as soon as they see a silk. While the routine involved more than the disappearance of the silk, I suspect he felt pretty good about having a "theory" that could explain about 10% of the trick. Is this a problem? I don't know.
[/quote]

Sounds more like you are bothered just because people are talking. This shows your gilt. How do you know he was talking about you and the silk, maybe he had a hangnail and telling his girlfriend it hurts. Now if the person yelled out something, then be concerned. Your job is to do the trick so well that that guy questions his own knowledge (if he has any), again you assuming every one on the planet has or had an interest in magic.
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Bah. You assume too much. I noticed it. I did the routine. I'm not bothered.

Of course you're more likely to hear "it's up his sleeve" than you are to hear "it's in his thumb".
Message: Posted by: David Fillary (Feb 2, 2014 11:18AM)
Certainly 18-21 year olds in the UK have never seen it. I perform mostly for students, and so far I would say about 95% of the people I've performed for have never seen the linking rings... seriously! I performed a chop cup routine and asked who had seen the cups and balls. One out of 20 had! This new generation (my generation) haven't seen much classic magic before. Most have only seen card tricks and Blaine stuff. I recently added the dye tube and am blowing them away! Take note Dougini!

The future's bright for magic performers :)
Message: Posted by: Jon Blakeney (Feb 5, 2014 01:43AM)
The old TT debate,ya got to love it.
Over exposed-yes
seen in movies like "a night at the musleum" -yes

I was lucky enough to purchase Fielding West' DVD'S many years ago,on which he taught the knock out move,and a TT die tube variation.Since then I have never been called out by a spectator ,child or adult.
The fact that I also use a rabbit and top hat set of silks makes for an entertaining few minutes of magic for young and old alike .
So many times whilst working tables I'll pull out the silk with the top hat on it,some one will say "your'e not going to tell me there is it a rabbit in your pocket as well are you"(or something similar)I just say "no" we magicians only pull rabbits from our hats it's a tradition. (the spectator loves the fact that he or she had guesed what was going to happen next)Just incase anybody hits me with the line"can you pull a Hair out of your a##^,a Delite is substituted for the hair ,it gets a good laugh,try it sometime
Jon.
PS:Grab a set of these silks ,they kill.
Message: Posted by: Jonty (Apr 7, 2014 03:46PM)
Ursula Martinez. Oh yes... I love my TT and carry it everywher, it's great for kids and adults alike. I tell them the handkerchief is actually on elastic and if they watch very carefully they'll see it going over my shoulder. Obvious rubbish but it's amazing how many people actually look there to see it go!


:lol:
Message: Posted by: vincentmusician (Apr 28, 2021 06:45PM)
I recently added the TT to my Magic to Music Routines. It seems to always get a good reaction. I also use it for Strolling if kids are around. Yes. many things have been exposed. However, if you pick the right audience and perform it well and in an entertaining way, I seem to not get many hecklers saying they know how I do it. Cheers!
Message: Posted by: ringmaster (Jul 9, 2021 07:27PM)
[quote]On Jul 17, 2013, Caféinst wrote:
I'm beginning to think that the proper way to do this trick is to color the TT green and never show it to the audience. Sort of like regular sleight of hand, pretending to put a coin in one hand while really keeping it in the other hand. There is really no reason to show the TT to the audience, expecting them to overlook it. What is the gain in doing so? [/quote]
VERNON'S WAS CHROME PLATED.
Message: Posted by: Jean André (Mar 14, 2022 01:48PM)
[quote]On Jul 9, 2021, ringmaster wrote:
[quote]On Jul 17, 2013, Caféinst wrote:
I'm beginning to think that the proper way to do this trick is to color the TT green and never show it to the audience. Sort of like regular sleight of hand, pretending to put a coin in one hand while really keeping it in the other hand. There is really no reason to show the TT to the audience, expecting them to overlook it. What is the gain in doing so? [/quote]

[b]VERNON'S WAS CHROME PLATED.[/b] [/quote]

Urban legend. The names change ... sometimes it is claimed to be Vernon, sometimes Jack Chanin, Al Flosso , Max Malini, or some other old master to lend credibility to the yarn.

No magician , no matter how skillful, would purposely choose to perform for a real audience with a chrome-plated TT (sometimes the legend claims it is painted bright red). This is only a stunt that might be done in a magic shop or magic convention among other magicians. The story is usually trotted out to reassure neophyte magicians who are needlessly fretting over the colour of their TT not matching closely to their own skin. While I do believe there is some truth in this legend (i.e. not to be overly concerned with a precise match to your real thumb) I think what proves the "chrome plated TT" to be an urban legend is to simply ask yourself this question: [b]Then why is it even shaped like a thumb and given a "flesh" colour to begin with ?[/b] Why bother if you can achieve the same results with a shiny metal tube that is not flesh colour? Perhaps it is just a scam by magic dealers to sell items to amateurs who do not know any better. Or maybe , just maybe, it is shaped like a thumb and is flesh coloured for a reason?

Here's another thing you can try to debunk this legend. Whenever you are hanging out with professional magicians (or highly-skilled amateurs) make a casual survey: [i]"Do you prefer using a Vernet TT or the soft vinyl Japanese TT or an old-style metal TT?"[/i] I predict no one will answer: [i]"I don't use any of those , I just cut the end off an old metal cigar tube and after years of using it the paint has all chipped off so it's just bare metal now. Works great for me."[/i] (You have to be casual in asking the question, because if you tip them off about what you are driving at , they will most likely start to boast and brag about their chrome plated TT or their red TT or the old cigar tube with the paint chipped off and how no one ever catches them at it because they are so good. This will especially happen if more than two magicians are present at the same time . It is a game of one-upmanship.)

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Message: Posted by: Jean André (Apr 7, 2022 12:54PM)
[quote]On Mar 14, 2022, Jean André wrote:
While I do believe there is some truth in this legend (i.e. not to be overly concerned with a precise match to your real thumb) I think what proves the "chrome plated TT" to be an urban legend is to simply ask yourself this question: [b]Then why is it even shaped like a thumb and given a "flesh" colour to begin with ?[/b] Why bother if you can achieve the same results with a shiny metal tube that is not flesh colour?
[/quote]

To follow-up on my previous post, I was recently re-reading the Karl Germain book (by Stuart Cramer, edited and re-published by Todd Karr) and noticed a passage where it talked about how Germain made his own TT's. On page 271: [i]"Germain made his own TT's fashioned with papier-mâché over a replica of his own digit made out of dentist's plaster ... painted with great care to match his own skin".[/i]

Germain was known as a perfectionist who often fooled other magicians. He was no rank amateur fretting over needless details and yet he thought it was to his advantage to meticulously craft this gimmick to appear realistic at close range.


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Message: Posted by: Ihop (Apr 12, 2022 01:40AM)
Check out Hal Saxon on YouTube
Message: Posted by: Ihop (Apr 12, 2022 02:35AM)
I use a TT often. Not just with a hanky. Bill. Change, salt, coin appearances, hole in shirt, etc.
My TT arsenal consists of about 8 various size and material TTS.
Also magnetic TT, suction cup, razor, Fliptip, lites, slush powder, flame, flash, steel, etc.
Hal Saxon has excellent tutorials and ebooks on handling.
Message: Posted by: Jean André (Apr 12, 2022 02:42PM)
[quote]On Apr 11, 2022, Ihop wrote:
Check out Hal Saxon on YouTube [/quote]

I have seen his videos. I think he has good ideas on handling , but frankly I am not happy to see magic techniques posted on Public access videos on YouTube. I wish he would change the status of those videos to Unlisted or Private for access only by magicians who join his website.
Message: Posted by: Halmac (Apr 13, 2022 08:09PM)
[quote]On Apr 12, 2022, Jean André wrote:
[quote]On Apr 11, 2022, Ihop wrote:
Check out Hal Saxon on YouTube [/quote]

I have seen his videos. I think he has good ideas on handling , but frankly I am not happy to see magic techniques posted on Public access videos on YouTube. I wish he would change the status of those videos to Unlisted or Private for access only by magicians who join his website. [/quote]

Thanks for the feedback Jean André ... Everything that 'reveals' on my Youtube channel is Unlisted or Private unless I missed one.
Message: Posted by: Halmac (Apr 13, 2022 11:53PM)
[quote]On May 30, 2013, Caféinst wrote:
The handkerchief vanish and appearance via the TT is perhaps the most amazing effect in magic. But in my experience, many laymen know the secret.

I'm wondering whether this effect is too overexposed to perform. What do you think? [/quote]

This is an old post but, no if it is done right it is still baffling. The secret is in proper handling.
Message: Posted by: Jean André (Apr 16, 2022 01:01PM)
[quote]On Apr 13, 2022, Halmac wrote:
[quote]On Apr 12, 2022, Jean André wrote:
[quote]On Apr 11, 2022, Ihop wrote:
Check out Hal Saxon on YouTube [/quote]

I have seen his videos. I think he has good ideas on handling , but frankly I am not happy to see magic techniques posted on Public access videos on YouTube. I wish he would change the status of those videos to Unlisted or Private for access only by magicians who join his website. [/quote]

Thanks for the feedback Jean André ... Everything that 'reveals' on my Youtube channel is Unlisted or Private unless I missed one. [/quote]


I'm very glad to hear that video status have been changed to Unlisted or Private. The last time I looked at your YouTube channel there were still a number of somewhat "revealing" videos which had the status Public.


I think you missed [url=https://youtu.be/Syuhq7WMvcA?t=62]this one[/url] ("Covert tt handling" starting at around the 1:02 mark)

Your skills using it are excellent , so I think just posting performance-only videos without revealing it are strong enough to spur the interest of those who are truly interested in learning to perform magic to visit your website and sign up as a member.


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Message: Posted by: Ihop (Apr 23, 2022 12:52AM)
[quote]On Apr 16, 2022, Jean André wrote:
[quote]On Apr 13, 2022, Halmac wrote:
[quote]On Apr 12, 2022, Jean André wrote:
[quote]On Apr 11, 2022, Ihop wrote:
Check out Hal Saxon on YouTube [/quote]

I have seen his videos. I think he has good ideas on handling , but frankly I am not happy to see magic techniques posted on Public access videos on YouTube. I wish he would change the status of those videos to Unlisted or Private for access only by magicians who join his website. [/quote]

Thanks for the feedback Jean André ... Everything that 'reveals' on my Youtube channel is Unlisted or Private unless I missed one. [/quote]


I'm very glad to hear that video status have been changed to Unlisted or Private. The last time I looked at your YouTube channel there were still a number of somewhat "revealing" videos which had the status Public.


I think you missed [url=https://youtu.be/Syuhq7WMvcA?t=62]this one[/url] ("Covert tt handling" starting at around the 1:02 mark)

Your skills using it are excellent , so I think just posting performance-only videos without revealing it are strong enough to spur the interest of those who are truly interested in learning to perform magic to visit your website and sign up as a member.


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I’ve been following Mr. Saxons' YouTube videos for about 2 months. Ever since he generously offered his TT Tutorials (Cookbook etc.) to magicians here in the Magic Café Forum.
I’ve never seen any exposure. Perhaps you’re referring to pre March videos. I don’t know.
He also has videos on Facebook.