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Topic: Info on cuffs
Message: Posted by: snowpuppy (Jun 7, 2013 10:16PM)
I recently recieved a box of miscallaneous Magic most without instructions and I found thease Handcuffs.If they are trick cuffs,...they have me stumped.Anyone know anything about them?
Message: Posted by: Cliffg37 (Jun 7, 2013 11:24PM)
They are not trick cuffs per se. In my home town of new York, the cops called them "toy cuffs." They do lock, and the lever on the front is half ***ed double lock. They can picked with almost any small thin object. They are also older, as the modern ones have quick release levers that make them useless.
Message: Posted by: Ian McColl (Jun 8, 2013 01:08AM)
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On 2013-06-08 00:24, Cliffg37 wrote:
is half ***ed double lock.[/quote]

what's this mean Cliff??
I am not good at crossword either
Message: Posted by: Ian McColl (Jun 8, 2013 07:20AM)
Here is a drawing of the inside of the cuff. Anything small enough inserted to lift the blue lever will open the cuff. I use wooden match sticks, the disgard them.
Message: Posted by: james_unlimited (Jun 8, 2013 07:59AM)
http://www.blacksteel.com/hcs/index.cgi?section=Collection&mode=1&start=484

They look a bit too shiny to be the above. would have been a nice find though.
Message: Posted by: dave_matkin (Jun 8, 2013 03:17PM)
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On 2013-06-08 08:20, Ian McColl wrote:
Here is a drawing of the inside of the cuff. Anything small enough inserted to lift the blue lever will open the cuff. I use wooden match sticks, the disgard them.
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So I may be showing my naivety but what's the point of a double lock that can be turned on and off with the flick of a leaver? Couldn't the prisoner take the double lock off tighten the cuff, put it back on and then claim 'abuse'? And it being double locked isn't going to be stopping one popping the double lock off and shi***ng the cuff off!!! (Ian you said you're not good at crosswords so I'll add an extra clue .... it is NOT the past tense for taking a poo!)...... Would the "past tense of pooing" help get a cuff off? May be if it was runny you could use it as a lubricant to help slip it? Hey it worked for Andy Dufresne in Shawshank! :o: :eek: :arg: :eek: :o:

If anyone can answer what the point is I would be very interested to know.

Also if I have offended anyone or grossed anyone out by linking faeces with a lubricant I do apologise. I can't see it grossing anyone out too much unless they were eating a Marmite (or vegemite) or chocolate spread sandwich at the time! Sorry if I did.

PS I do realise that 'shi**ing' may not be an option with this type of cuff. The one I have can't be shimmed (although that could be in-competence on my behalf!)!!!!!
Message: Posted by: Ian McColl (Jun 8, 2013 07:22PM)
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So I may be showing my naivety but what's the point of a double lock that can be turned on and off with the flick of a leaver? Couldn't the prisoner take the double lock off tighten the cuff, put it back on and then claim 'abuse'? And it being double locked isn't going to be stopping one popping the double lock off and shi***ng the cuff off!!! (Ian you said you're not good at crosswords so I'll add an extra clue
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You are right Dave, the lever on the outside of the cuff will turn the inner piece to double lock (restrict the upward movement) of the lever, or turned away allow room for the lever to rise. This has been the same design on all models after the original Japanese Takeda design from the 1940's.

I guess the reasoning is this; in a normal ratchet handcuff, if it is not double locked, it can be shimmed. As the star (pin) wheel design cannot be shimmed there is not lessing of the security. Double locking this type of mechanism, is only an advantage of comfort afforded to the prisoner. If the prisoner turns the lever, then the cuff can tighten. If the suspect doesn't want the added pain, they would leave it alone.

As to your other theory..........Dave you are a bad bad man. vegemite is always better than marmite. To test out your other theory of lubbing a wrist, you would have to ask someone with experience of Mr Hankey adventures
Message: Posted by: dave_matkin (Jun 9, 2013 01:45AM)
Mmmmm why us Vegemite better than Marmite I have never tried Vegemite? I live about 7 miles from the home of Marmite and if the wind is blowing from the north west we can smell it - well we can smell the waste products of brewing (same difference really).

On the Mr Hankey reference - I had to check who Mr H was - would another character from the show be able to help? Say Bug Al?
Message: Posted by: Mick Hanzlik (Jun 9, 2013 01:55AM)
I tried a jar of Vegemite once.Sorry Ian, in my house Marmite is the winner. Now you shoud try Cadbury's chocolate - best in the world! If you can't get it, let me know and I'll send you some.
Message: Posted by: Ian McColl (Jun 9, 2013 02:04AM)
Hi Mick, Cadbury was okay but now it's US owned. Now we get the spin.
Cadbury block was 250 grams weight, then it dropped with the new ownership to 200 grams. Now they advertise, get 10% more Joyville. The bars are now 220 grams, so I have still been ripped off 30 grams. Vegemite puts hair on your chest!!! Also good for greasing your car.

Dave, Bug Al is also escape artist
Message: Posted by: Steve_Mollett (Jun 9, 2013 04:21PM)
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On 2013-06-08 20:22, Ian McColl wrote:
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So I may be showing my naivety but what's the point of a double lock that can be turned on and off with the flick of a leaver? Couldn't the prisoner take the double lock off tighten the cuff, put it back on and then claim 'abuse'? And it being double locked isn't going to be stopping one popping the double lock off and shi***ng the cuff off!!! (Ian you said you're not good at crosswords so I'll add an extra clue
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You are right Dave, the lever on the outside of the cuff will turn the inner piece to double lock (restrict the upward movement) of the lever, or turned away allow room for the lever to rise. This has been the same design on all models after the original Japanese Takeda design from the 1940's.

I guess the reasoning is this; in a normal ratchet handcuff, if it is not double locked, it can be shimmed. As the star (pin) wheel design cannot be shimmed there is not lessing of the security. Double locking this type of mechanism, is only an advantage of comfort afforded to the prisoner. If the prisoner turns the lever, then the cuff can tighten. If the suspect doesn't want the added pain, they would leave it alone.

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Plus, if the cuffs are applied behind the prisoner's back (standard procedure) he might not even know the levers are there, making a half-baked attempt at picking or using a duplicate key that much more frustrating.
Message: Posted by: Steve_Mollett (Jun 9, 2013 04:23PM)
I tried Vegemite once.
If I ever decide I want that taste again, I'll just pour salt in my mouth. :)
Message: Posted by: Ian McColl (Jun 9, 2013 06:18PM)
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On 2013-06-09 17:23, Steve_Mollett wrote:
I'll just pour salt in my mouth. :)
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so, so many jokes spawned................