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Topic: The Crusade - A Mind Reader's ACAAN
Message: Posted by: celebrity (Jun 14, 2013 03:37PM)
After reading rave reviews on the Café about the work Atlas Brookings I was curious as to what all the fuss was about.

So I took the plunge and invested in one of his works. His thinking was highly impressive and It was clear from the off that he had invested a lot of time in thinking his material through.

Naturally this wasn't to be my last purchase from him, the second was as equally as impressive as the first and I've adopted many elements of his thinking within my own work.

Keen on hearing a little more about him I made contact, we exchanged emails and shared some thoughts then out of the blue I receive an email from him detailing a routine he has titled "The Crusade".

I was very intrigued and began to work my way through the pages....

Let me say this. I rarely post unless I feel so strongly that an item is worthy of everyone's attention.

"The Crusade" is a true piece of art and I have no hesitation in saying that this will become the go to effect for any mentalist who utilises cards within their work.

Atlas has taken a whole new approach to the "Grail" and the results are highly satisfying. I promised not to spoil all the fun but let me share some thoughts on why this piece is so unique.

There are countless methods for the ACAAN plot yet to date I've never found any in which the mentalist plays an "active role" in facilitating the effect. In this offering the mentalist gets all of the credit for discerning a genuinely thought of card and a genuinely thought of position.

This piece of work is simply stunning and I say this honestly and wholeheartedly from experience. The reaction to this effect is exactly what I would expect of "The Grail" and more.

I could go on all day talking about the conditions of this effect, how fair it is but this effect deserves far more. Although this will be compared by many to the previous efforts in finding "The Grail" this is so much better, this is "The Crusade" and it is beautiful!
Message: Posted by: Martin Pulman (Jun 14, 2013 04:30PM)
I have been delighted with everything I've purchased from Mr Brookings. If this lives up to his previous material we could be in for something very special. Fingers crossed!
Message: Posted by: Mark_Chandaue (Jun 14, 2013 04:33PM)
Atlas is a very very clever guy and one of the nicest guys in mentalism. I'm looking forward to hearing more about the crusade.

Mark
Message: Posted by: paperinick (Jun 14, 2013 04:36PM)
The best thing about the ACAAN releases is the themed naming. I love the Crusade idea! For the next ACAAN I propose Foucault's Pendulum. :)
Message: Posted by: celebrity (Jun 14, 2013 04:39PM)
He is a very nice guy and is a rare talent. Believe me this work will surpass all expectations!

Best Wishes Michael
Message: Posted by: yachanin (Jun 14, 2013 07:06PM)
Hi All,

I had the opportunity to review an early draft of "The Crusade" and agree entirely with Celebrity's comments. I've performed The Crusade a number of times and it is a killer. Everything appears above board and totally fair. You can use any deck and you're ready to go. I don't know if this is available now, but I know you'll really enjoy this.

Regards, Steve
Message: Posted by: celebrity (Jun 15, 2013 05:23AM)
In a bid to keep everything factually correct I must make mention of a key player in this work. Due entirely to my enthusiasm I neglected to mention that this effect is infact the creation of Andrew Brown.

Andrew passed this idea on to Atlas and the pair worked together to finalise this masterpiece.

On that note I'd like to both apologise for not mentioning Andrew in my original post and would also like to congratulate him on this superb piece of mentalism.

I sincerely look forward to hearing more about your work.

Andrew and Atlas you make a great team!

Best Wishes Michael ;)
Message: Posted by: Atlas (Jun 15, 2013 07:50AM)
Thanks Michael, Mark, Martin, and Steve. It was surprising to see all the outpouring of support and kindness for my books on this thread!

And thank you for remembering to mention my good friend Andrew Brown. I was just about to make a similar post myself!

I've always thought that two heads are better than one, as that extra perspective lends depth to a creation and I've always found Andrew's perspective direct, ingenious, and refreshing! He is the type that offers up little ideas that are firecrackers just waiting for the fuse to be lit.

I am pleased at the way this collaboration between myself and Andrew has come together, and I am sure that others will be too!

As Michael suggested earlier, this is a sort of relaunch of the ACAAN plot - specifically for a Mind Reader. For those who are curious, the first few pages from the book are below. (Paperinick - this may interest you, in light of your comment about how on Earth these things get their names...)

Best,

Atlas


Imagine it:

The cards rest on the table in front of your first participant, who gingerly takes them up and begins to count down to his secret number - a number that has never been written down, verbalized, or communicated to any other person.

He counts down slowly, card after card, and then, abruptly, stops. He pauses and sets this last card aside. He has never said a word about his number. There is no way that you could have known what it was. He is confident of that.

He slides the card across to the young lady next to him. Her thoughts have been focused on an image - a suit and a value. Again, her choice of card has never been shared. It has never been withdrawn from the pack, never touched and certainly not forced.

She could have been thinking of any card in this deck.

Her hand drifts toward the card on the table. The one separated just now by her boyfriend from the rest of the pack. The one resting at the number that her lover was merely thinking of.

She hesitates.

The deck is their own, they shuffled it before you ever touched it. They called all the shots every step of the way.

Neither participant has ever given any indication what it was that they were thinking of, and neither believes in the ability to read minds... and yet...if the card she was merely thinking of is here, at the number that he was merely thinking of...

As though she is reaching out to touch her own delicate skepticism, her fingers flit tentatively across the card on the table - her card.

And as she reveals its face, she gasps - it is the Queen of Clubs - but it is more than that. It is belief, radiant and beautiful and glorious, a moment of dawning acceptance that will be remembered because it defied all her reason and filled her ideology with doubt.

It is a moment of pure enchantment.

And you made it happen with a borrowed deck of cards that they shuffled before you ever started.
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Before we look at anything even remotely to do with methodology, let's first take a moment to examine the origins of this title. This exercise is undertaken in the hope that you will find beauty in its layered complexity and reassure yourself that the same sort of attention to detail and search for perfection in arriving at a title for this book is the standard offered by these authors throughout this document.

Why is this called 'The Crusade: A Mind Reader's ACAAN'?

To many in the magic industry and to card magic enthusiasts especially, the 'Any Card At Any Number' plot is a cherished and well-loved miracle. It's perfect execution is so highly prized and sought after that it has popularly referred to among card enthusiasts as the 'Holy Grail'.

That begs the question - was this title merely a clever play on words? It is true that the Crusades and The Holy Grail are linked in popular lore. But while the association is appealing, there is more at work here than just opportunistic wordplay.

You see, the Holy Grail was the destination, the final prize at the end of these beloved stories of noble knights and daunting expeditions, whether they have their basis in fact or fiction. It bears emphasizing once more – the Grail was the destination.

The merits of the ACAAN effect have been argued back and forth for many years in the magic community.

For some, their appreciation for the effect is akin to that of a fine wine and their devotion to it never wavers.

Others, however, despise the plot and note sourly that the reaction from the audience is frequently less than enthusiastic. One person names a card and the other names a number and lo and behold – they match! It is over so quickly that it often plays as a puzzle rather than as an amazing feat that fills a person with wonder.

The argument rages back and forth, and fruitful and enlightening perspectives have emerged. Some claim that the weaknesses lie in a lack of performance ability. Others argue that the plot is fundamentally unappealing to any demographic but magicians.

The most experienced among us have consistently demonstrated that an individual will fail to recall the workings of a puzzle, but when they are escorted into an experience that fills them with wonder - when you take them on a journey that creates that wonder - they will never forget their sense of amazement or the guide lit their path.

So, in the title 'The Crusade', you have a reminder that what you are presenting is about the journey and not the mythical Holy Grail that is at the end of it. The Crusade was the colloquial term for the period of endeavor and the path to virtue – NOT the destination – which, in many ACAAN plots is arrived at too quickly to have any impact.

One other important point about the title of this book. The root of the word 'Crusade' is the Latin word cruc or crux – meaning cross.

And, of course, a cross is formed at two points of intersection. And what is an intersection but the place where the roads taken by two different travelers on two unique journeys meet?

The moment of meeting is what this effect allows you to create, when the card that one person only thought of intersects at the number another person only thought of – the journey that you created for each of them becomes the destination, and an experience is formed that will create a sense of amazement whose memory will never fade.

To a performer, that is The Holy Grail.

And the path to the Grail is through the Crusade.
Message: Posted by: Funnybaldbloke (Jun 15, 2013 08:02AM)
Well, after reading Atlas' post and loving his previous releases I have to say I'm disappointed at the sound of this.

How could it possibly live up to that beautifully written description?

It can't.

This will be rubbish. Something that won't match the hype. Waste of time.

Ah crap, who am I kidding. It will be brilliant, well thought out, workable and more than worth every penny and I can't wait to find out more.
Message: Posted by: cirrus (Jun 15, 2013 08:08AM)
Where can I buy this miracle?
Message: Posted by: magicman29 (Jun 15, 2013 10:14AM)
Atlas is a top guy and having some of his material already I know this is going to be a gem!

Any release date yet?

Kieran
Message: Posted by: Martin Pulman (Jun 15, 2013 11:53AM)
Well, the prose was a little "purple" and "Oprah-esque" for my tastes, but the effect sounds terrific.

I do wonder if Atlas and Andrew have fully thought through the name of their effect though. The word "crusade" now has EXTREMELY negative connotations among certain communities. We live in strange times and there are some strange folk out there. I'm not sure this is the best time to be launching a new "Crusade"! :)
Message: Posted by: Atlas (Jun 15, 2013 05:24PM)
Hello everyone,

Kieran, thanks very much for your confidence - it's very kind of you to say!

Funnybaldbloke - I love how you've hedged your bets! You will be right about this one way or the other!

Cirrus and anyone else who is wondering, I have to verify this with Andrew, but we expect to price the book at $27.00 and are aiming for a release date of June 28th. I will verify that date once I receive confirmation from Andrew.


Best,

Atlas
Message: Posted by: Funnybaldbloke (Jun 15, 2013 06:43PM)
Atlas,

Not so much a case of hedging my bets as knowing full well you'll be getting a PayPal notification from me sometime around the end of June.

If its half as good, and as useful, as The Prodigal then it's money well spent.

I was once in an episode of Crimewatch but I don't like to talk about it.

Tony
Message: Posted by: nique (Jun 15, 2013 07:25PM)
Count me in Atlas, this sounds like it's going to be another great release from you.

~ Nique
Message: Posted by: pegasus (Jun 16, 2013 02:06AM)
I look forward to some non biased reviews on this one.
Message: Posted by: Martin Pulman (Jun 16, 2013 02:50AM)
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On 2013-06-16 03:06, pegasus wrote:
I look forward to some non biased reviews on this one.
[/quote]

I can assure you Pegasus that when I post my review it will be completely unbiased. I am looking forward to this though, as Mr Brookings other work has been top notch.
Message: Posted by: pegasus (Jun 16, 2013 03:31AM)
Therefore, Martin, my purchase rests squarely on your review. Many thanks.
Message: Posted by: Martin Pulman (Jun 16, 2013 03:38AM)
[quote]
On 2013-06-16 04:31, pegasus wrote:
Therefore, Martin, my purchase rests squarely on your review. Many thanks.
[/quote]

I'll try not to let you down.
Message: Posted by: a brown 1968 (Jun 16, 2013 06:14AM)
Michael : Thank you for your kind words and overview of The Crusade . it has been a pleasure for me to receive emails from Atlas where he has forwarded onto me comments from guys who have been asked to test the effect in the real world under various performing conditionings.

Atlas: for me this has been a wonderful collaboration of my creative ideas and your real world worker insights of performing . Together the effect has been looked at from numerous angles , refined then refined further . Your passion and enthusiasm has taken a few pages of scribbled notes on the premise, principle and scripting to a now fully completed book . Thank you my friend and I look forward to meeting up with you in person when you come and live in England in the near future .

Potential buyers: Atlas has already built up a good reputation for himself and his effects , we are both determined that buyers make an informed decision about purchasing The Crusade . I shall do my best to answer any questions to assist in buyers deciding if the effect is suitable for them .

Best wishes

Andrew
Message: Posted by: ash2arani (Jun 16, 2013 09:34AM)
I have had the privilege of having a peek couple of months back at what now is The Crusade.

As many, I have been a happy customer with Atlas's offerings and he is a creative performer who is meticulous in his releases.

I am not sure if Atlas and Andrew had new ideas to throw in The Crusade since I last read it, but what I read can be summed up as follows:

"a clean routine in which everything makes sense"

I loved Atlas's justification of the title which to me is the main power of this routine. What I really loved is that this routine gives ACAAN a nice frame of reference. I really like this routine and trust me when I say, Atlas has a gift with routining and structure. To me, the effect in itself is a lesson in routining and scripting. To some, this is a bonus; to others, that is the real crusade!

I understand that I am doing nothing more than hyping this effect further, but I think this effect is worth it. Feel free to take my thoughts and words with a grain of salt. Hopefully future purchasers will chime in with their reviews. I will finally say that this routine is workable in the real world!

Congratulations Atlas and Andrew. I am looking forward to the official release of The Crusade.
Message: Posted by: Mark_Chandaue (Jun 16, 2013 02:09PM)
I too have been lucky enough to have a preview of this and I love it. The deck can be borrowed and shuffled, the card and the number are merely thought of and never spoken or written down. In fact you neither know the number or the card untill the spectator has dealt to their number and the card is revealed. There is some procedure to get the card and number selected but it is all completely justified and completely fair. The great thing is the mechanics are very easy, no memory work or mathematics, in fact it's almost self working allowing you to focus entirely on presentation.

The manuscript is very well written as you would expect if you are familiar with Atlas' other books. A lot of time is spent on the presentation and scripting explaining the thinking behind each step. There is far more one can learn from this manuscript than just the effect within its pages. This will certainly be my ACAAN of choice from here on.

Mark
Message: Posted by: Atlas (Jun 17, 2013 12:07AM)
Thanks everyone for your excitement and sharing your thoughts on 'The Crusade'!

Tony, to answer your question - I think that in some respects, this book does for the ACAAN plot what 'The Prodigal' did for BAs. There seem to be a lot of people out there (mind readers especially) who don't like the plot. I think this book will change that for many of them.

Ash, thanks for your review - I am so glad that you were one of the first to explore this effect with us. Your feedback has always been helpful and concise, the readers here owe a good deal of thanks to you as well.

Mark, I'm pleased that you liked the draft - I'd love to hear your experience in performing this. And I completely understand where you are coming from when you say it is your ACAAN of choice now. It is such a comfortable fit for what I do that I feel that way too.

Thanks to those of you who have read the draft and given Andrew and me feedback over the last six months. Your help has been extremely appreciated! And while he hasn't chimed in yet on this thread, I'd like to especially thank Greg Arce. With each of my releases to date, he has been kind enough to share his time and his thoughts with me and this was no exception. I was very pleased when he told me that he'd tried this several times and that it "Plays very well."

In fact, I think the full quote is that it "Plays strong and is very easy to do. A real winner. Congrats!!!"

So, anyway, we appreciate all the excitement surrounding this particular release. I've still got a load of notes to write up regarding additional presentations, and then it will go through a few more proof drafts and we will be done. So, to all those who have read it and enjoyed it - there are still a few more ideas up our sleeves!

Best,

Atlas
Message: Posted by: aukt (Jun 17, 2013 12:25AM)
Any video coming?
Message: Posted by: takeachance (Jun 17, 2013 12:44AM)
I fit the profile when it comes to not getting excited over the ACAAN plot. So many more entertaining presentations than that. However, I really like the writing style here Atlas. Maybe this one will change my mind. The concept of the storyline does intrege me. Looking forward to the release. Being an older member here, I hope there isn't too much mental gymnastics involved.
Message: Posted by: Stephen Young (Jun 17, 2013 12:51AM)
Having read previous works from Atlas, and from the extract posted above, I have to say Thatvhis work is great to read.
Not just for great methods and presentations, which they are, but a real joy to read.

I look forward to seeing what he has done with this popular plot.
If its a s good as his work on BAs then it is sure to be a winner.

Steve
Message: Posted by: takeachance (Jun 17, 2013 01:44AM)
You hit the nail on the head Steve, I really did enjoy reading the extract. I'll be buying on that alone
Message: Posted by: a brown 1968 (Jun 17, 2013 01:57AM)
Aukt - I will check with Atlas but the last time we discussed the question of a demonstration video are decision was that there would not be one . This is consistent with his previous releases .

Andy
Message: Posted by: Mark_Chandaue (Jun 17, 2013 03:11AM)
Takeachance there are no mental gymnastics involved whatsoever, neither maths or memory work. Method wise you will be hard pushed to find an easier version of this effect. The method allows you to put all your energy into the presentation.

Mark
Message: Posted by: takeachance (Jun 17, 2013 03:56AM)
That's definately sold it to me. Appreciate the info Mark

Neil
Message: Posted by: a brown 1968 (Jun 17, 2013 04:14AM)
Thank you Mark for answering the question on the mental gymnastics point before I had time to .

Great to read the effect met your expectations and suits your needs

Andy
Message: Posted by: Atlas (Jun 17, 2013 11:17AM)
Hi Nique, I don't know how I missed you earlier on! Thanks for your very kind words!

And thanks Steve - it is very kind of you to say that my books are actually enjoyable reads rather than just instruction manuals. I try to make them pleasant to read.

Now Takeachance, as Mark and Andrew have asserted, there isn't any complicated anything going on. The whole thing is very straightforward. However, having said that, there is an alternative presentation that I call "The Hustle" that is offered that employs some very simple arithmetic (should you choose to use it), but it is a far cry from being difficult or requiring you to think on your feet. You have plenty of time to undertake the one subtraction equation that is required.

And I want to reiterate that there is NO math in the base routine. You can perform the entire effect with ease. The variations are just there to add flavour, should you decide to experiment with them - in fact, there is one variation that takes place entirely in the hands of the participants should you choose to use it. Another doesn't even involve playing cards (for those who are averse to using them within their set).

I hope that helps answer your questions.

Best,

Atlas
Message: Posted by: BMWGuy (Jun 17, 2013 03:16PM)
Hey guys,

Just my two cents worth.

This routine is a worker.

There is a small procedure, but your presentation covers everything, and your spectators will not have a clue about anything.

this ACAAN is very clean since the card and number are never named out loud, written, or whispered. everything that Atlas put in the ad copy is true.

another ACAAN to add to the books.

I currently perform Asi Winds version, as well as John Borns version, both great, and both have their drawbacks, but the cleanliness of The Crusade is great since a number and card are never named.

How beautiful!

This will be a worker for me.

Thanks Atlas for bringing this out with Andrew.

Great thinking by the way.

Guys, this will be worth at least $30, so go and get one when its out.

I don't endorse any products, but this is really good.

you wont be sorry.

alex
Message: Posted by: entermagic (Jun 17, 2013 03:46PM)
Just a single question, is it easy to do a reverse engineering?
If a magician looks the effect realizes easily the secret?
Message: Posted by: Mark_Chandaue (Jun 17, 2013 04:05PM)
Entermagic the answer to that question would probably depend on the presentational skill of the performer and the knowledge of the magician watching. Hard to say as I never saw it performed before learning the method but my gut tells me that had Atlas performed this on me his routining and scripting is so good and everything is so well justified I think it would have blown me away.

If I were to perform this before working to hone my presentation to an acceptable level then a knowledgable magician may well be able to reverse engineer the effect. Of course I would say that is true for 99% of the effects I perform. But then my need to fool magicians faded away the moment I started working as a pro. Since then my priority is how the effect plays to laymen.

Mark
Message: Posted by: a brown 1968 (Jun 17, 2013 04:20PM)
Hello Entermagic .

As Mark has already mentioned your question is subjective based upon the knowledge of the magician . To explain via an example , if you are not aware of the Gilbreath principle then an affect using it you can not be simply reversed by watching the effect played out but if you know the principle then whilst your eyes cannot see how the effect is achieved you understand the method behind it .

Crusade follows the same approach .

From a spectator's view point, the effect has been given to numerous performers to road test and as far as I am aware and Atlas can correct me if I am mistaken , no spectator or audience has had an inkling as to the method . More importantly the scripting is designed to to leave the question in the spectators minds...how did he know the thought of number and thought of card , rather than , how did he do it.

Hope this answers your question

Andy
Message: Posted by: entermagic (Jun 17, 2013 04:28PM)
I ask this because often happens that I purchase an effect and immediately I am disappointed because inside the effect description there was a missing part and this part is easy to back track
on the secret also for the audience. Currently I have a method to perform Any Thought of Card at Any Thought of Number (nothing is written down no pre-show stooges or any pre-work of any kind,
there is no force and you don't know card and number until the spectator reveals his card after the counting part, you never touch the cards )
Just a spectator thinks of a number and another one thinks of a card and without you touches the cards, the card will be there. This effect fool also the magician, obvious it has a drawback.
This drawback sometimes makes me to change the entire routine. For the spectator's viewpoint they will see 99% of time an impossible ACAAN 1% of the case another good effect.
The effect is almost selfworking with a borrowed untouched shuffled deck.

Now I'm very curious to see if there is another version where this drawback is not present and it is hard to back track on the secret.

I have seen a lot of ACAAN, but almost everthing have a big weakness or I'm very disappointed because inside the description there is not a full description of the effect.

By the way, I look forward to see what Atlas created :)
Message: Posted by: Mark_Chandaue (Jun 17, 2013 05:20PM)
Entermagic if you have a method where a borrowed shuffled deck is used, a spectator merely thinks of a card another merely thinks of a number and you never touch the deck but when the spectator deals down to their thought of number they land on the other spectators thought of card 99% of the time without you touching the deck then I doubt that this version is going to beat your method (assuming that inside your description there wasn't a missing part).

However the method is in many ways the least important part of this manuscript, the scripting and presentation is the real jewel. Atlas and Andy have lifted the plot from puzzle/coincidence into an entertaining demonstration of mentalism. Every action is fully justified and designed to make everything fair and above board. I have only performed this twice for laymen but both times it has been received far better than my standard ACAAN routine.

What I will say is if you are looking for a magician fooling exact copy of the Berglas effect with a revolutionary method then this isn't necessarily going to fit the bill. If you are looking for a new take on this effect that is tailor made for mentalists, very well structured and scripted and plays very well for laymen with a method that allows you to focus entirely on your presentation then look no further.

Call me crazy as I'm going through a divorce, have just been hit with a large dental bill after swallowing a tooth crown (I swallowed a tooth ...... that's going to come back and bite me on the bum) and to add insult to injury the water company have just hit me with a £540 quid bill to reroute my water supply because there is a leak under a neighbours house that they can't repair so we are all having to pay for new pipe work. Despite all that, because I received The Crusade for free, if your needs fall into the latter category rather than magician fooler and you don't think that The Crusade is worth the money that you are charged for it, I will personally refund you.

That's the highest recommendation I can give, I received this for free and because I genuinely believe it is worth every penny of what Atlas/Andy will be charging for it I am willing to put my money where my mouth is. Note this is a one time, one person offer, I don't want to be inundated with people asking me to pay for their copy of The Crusade. I have no vested interest in this project and am not connected to it in any way shape or form beyond being very impressed with the manuscript that Atlas was kind enough to send me to evaluate.

If my current girlfriend finds out I'm offering to give away money that I haven't got I'll be into a second divorce before I've even got the first one finalised lol.

Mark
Message: Posted by: Atlas (Jun 17, 2013 06:22PM)
Wow. What an offer Mark!

I'm pleased that we have inspired all that confidence with a draft version of the effect as well! Without all the extra little bits at the end!

Though, I am confident that the offer is one that will never need to be exercised. Mark has a point - it is all about what you are looking for. I touched on it earlier in the thread, but the ACAAN seems to be an effect that people either like or dislike based upon the specific criteria that they are searching for. I'm pretty confident that this is an approach that every mind reader will both enjoy and employ.

I should also note that it really isn't all that easy to figure out - if you are looking for a magician fooler, there is a handling that introduces another piece of misdirection that will deceive most of them. I ran through this with someone who ought to have been able to work it out, and they were lost...and then insisted that I show it to a few of their guests an hour or two later. As Mark consistently asserts, the presentation goes a long way to making this indecipherable.

I will also reiterate (as this requirement was specifically mentioned above) that in the section at the end, one of the additional presentations is one in which the presenter never touches the cards.

I hope that helps to clarify things further. As always, I'm happy to answer any other questions.

Best,

Atlas
Message: Posted by: Decomposed (Jun 17, 2013 06:37PM)
Okay, after reading this entire thread, for now only one question for you Atlas.

Will I be allowed to perform this on TV?

Nuff said, as a mentalist, this looks like the best ACAAN I've read about. (prematurely of course).
Message: Posted by: drphil (Jun 17, 2013 07:06PM)
I would never ask for a refund for a magic effect unless it came with a defective gimmick. If after I buy this and don't like this or won't use it I still have the secret. I like the way this sounds and if it plays out like it is portrayed this is a must have secret to know. I can see how the method could be used for other effects.
Message: Posted by: entermagic (Jun 18, 2013 01:43AM)
Mark,
the way that I perform this effect is this one.

This is my first idea that I performed for a while, the current version I don't need to do all this presentation
I just ask the spectator to perform a regularity deck check and in this process the specators put without they know
the card in correct position. Here my starting point:

In my presentation I talk about the possibility to read the spectator mind
and ask some people to think of cards. I reveal each card except for one spectator
(After this process I know always one of the spectator card. This process is inside the presentation)
I continue saying that this is easy for a magician read the mind and just to prove this I repeat this
effect with the numbers. After this process I know without they reveal anything a card and a number
and this happens inside the presentation. I introduce a deck of cards or asking them to shuffle the deck.
In this process I am able to place the thought of card in the correct position without I touch the deck.
Now I perform the ACAAN effect with the 2 specators that I know they information.

In this presentation you need to know card and number, but is 100%. The latest version you don't need to know
card and number, but sometime doesn't work and you need to change the effect.

MP
Message: Posted by: vinsmagic (Jun 18, 2013 10:26AM)
My two cents
if I had a effect that was this good ,i would not sell it to anyone ...and cetrainly not for 27 bucks
I would leave the secret to my son so he could carry on...
vinny
Message: Posted by: JanForster (Jun 18, 2013 12:28PM)
I agree, Vinny :)
Message: Posted by: a brown 1968 (Jun 18, 2013 01:13PM)
Hello Vinny and Jan

It is a good question Vinny and I shall do my best to answer your question from my view point.

To begin with, magic is a passion and hobby for me , my day job in the financial world provides the income to support my family and therefore keeping it a secret to ensure it maximise a revenue stream for me is unnecessary . After I sent Atlas the original draft and script he performed it that weekend as part of his repertoire and on hearing how pleased he was with both the effect and audience response, I asked him what he would have been willing to pay for the effect given other purchases he had recently made . He told me $60 would have been great value for him and happily have paid more. At one stage in the process we had considered a very limited release and a much higher price but we rejected that for various reasons .

Atlas has already brought to the market a few ebooks and they have been well received and the customers consider they have received good value for money . We both feel and value that building a good reputation and offering value for money are more important than keeping the effect both limited and at a high price .

Other than a few effects I have published in compilations for say Peter Duffie or Ben Hariss my name is unknown . At this stage I want buyers to think they received and excellent service and got good value for money , as the price rises from $27 to $60 or above you increase the risk of more customers been despondent with the purchase generating negative goodwill . Crusade is not the only effect I could offer to potential buyers, it is one of many and therefore keeping it secret or a very limited release serves little purpose for me .

I am sadly not the greatest magical historian but if my memory serves me right , Paul Curry did not keep his effect 'Out of this World' a secret only he would ever know , nor was it offered to magicians at a price which would exclude 90% or more of magicians buying it .

I understand the argument for keeping it a secret for the ACAAN myth was built up around the performances of David Berglas and how he kept his approach and methodology secret for so many years ... As Atlas has explained, our effect is a ACAAN type of effect created for mentalists in mind and I ignored all the rules I should follow according to tradition and built the effect I wanted around a good premise and script .

Crusade is a good effect it works in the real world but it is not nor does it claim to be a method or principle to achieve the holy grail version of the effect .

If you have any questions please ask me here or by pm

Regards

Andrew
Message: Posted by: Atlas (Jun 18, 2013 01:39PM)
To answer your question Giani, yes, you will be allowed to perform this on television.

Alex, thank you for your review - your perspective is much appreciated!

Vinny and Jan, you are lucky to be in the enviable position that your kids are interested in the art form! I can understand wanting to hold something back to pass along to your children.

I can also see Andrew's position and know that he is very excited to be able to leave a legacy by contributing something to the art form that he loves. The initial notes he sent me were great and I've subsequently refined all the rough edges in scripting, process and presentation through numerous performances. After all that effort, I can understand not wanting to keep the idea in a drawer.

Either way, we hope our book will make an impact and appreciate every perspective that has been shared here.

Best,

Atlas
Message: Posted by: vinsmagic (Jun 18, 2013 03:48PM)
Thank you Andrew and Atlas for responding so quicly my question.I know it is not a monitary thing as you say.
but I would also like to ask if I may ...
first what are you not telling us?/without revealing the seceret
secondly can you supply a demo not for us or me not to re engineer. but to see what it looks like.
and if you can't then I must say ,it is not worth the paper it is written on .
however to show you my support pm me your mailing address and I will send payment tomorrow mornings mail.
I'am prepared to be dissapointed. hopfully I will not be
vinny
Message: Posted by: Atlas (Jun 18, 2013 06:30PM)
Sorry Vinny,

I appreciate the offer, but you'll have to wait for the 28th just like everyone else.

Best,

Atlas
Message: Posted by: Steve Hook (Jun 18, 2013 06:44PM)
Massimo / entermagic:

This thread should remain about "The Crusade". It would be more proper for you to start a different thread about your routine.

I'm sure all of us will read your thread as well.

Thanks,

Steve H
Message: Posted by: pegasus (Jun 18, 2013 06:47PM)
[quote]
On 2013-06-18 19:30, MagicAtlas wrote:
Sorry Vinny,

I appreciate the offer, but you'll have to wait for the 28th just like everyone else.

Best,

Atlas
[/quote]

Well said Atlas.
Message: Posted by: vinsmagic (Jun 18, 2013 07:53PM)
WHAT DO YOU MEAN WELL SAID......
is there a demo ??
, but well said ??
I ASKED A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS ONLY ONE GOT ANSWERED.

\
THE GODFATHER WAITS FOR NO ONE..........YOU CAN KEEP YOUR EFFECT
Message: Posted by: Magic.Maddy (Jun 18, 2013 08:33PM)
I doubt there will be a demo simply because this is built around presentation. That said, I would LOVE to see a skype demo of it
Message: Posted by: rasmus (Jun 18, 2013 08:40PM)
If this Effect looks exactly as mentioned in Real Life, then it is definetly the
wholy Grail of ACAAN.

I'm not sure honestly, if that is possible. I really hope so but I'm pretty confused,
because it sounds to Good to be True.

Wish you good Luck with the Release:)
Message: Posted by: Atlas (Jun 18, 2013 09:53PM)
That made me laugh Tony!

I see what you mean, but where else do I get the opportunity to I use such colorful prose?

I'm pleased it entertained you (I like the emoticons as well).

Best,

Atlas
Message: Posted by: vinsmagic (Jun 18, 2013 10:16PM)
Hi Atlas and Andrew I came across as a idiot this was not my intention for this I appologise
vinny
Message: Posted by: entermagic (Jun 19, 2013 01:25AM)
[quote]
On 2013-06-18 19:44, Steve Hook wrote:
Massimo / entermagic:

This thread should remain about "The Crusade". It would be more proper for you to start a different thread about your routine.

I'm sure all of us will read your thread as well.

Thanks,

Steve H
[/quote]

Is not my intention promote my effect, I don't sell anything.
All my ideas are free. I shared many ideas with many people here (in passat also with
Andy)
Message: Posted by: Steve Hook (Jun 19, 2013 02:06AM)
No one said you were selling anything. And no one said you weren't generous in sharing.

I just suggested that this thread is about "The Crusade", not your work.

If you've ever done a search at TMC, you'll know that it's easier to find things based on the Subject.

Also, in all fairness, you <are> discussing a different routine in depth.

Is it not possible to do so in a different thread so that it doesn't look like you're hijacking this one?

As was said, you'll still get your audience and a focus on your routine.

- Steve
Message: Posted by: JanForster (Jun 19, 2013 05:30AM)
Andrew, do not get me wrong. I really appreciate that you publish your work when you could have kept it for yourself. It is for sure a valid and generous contribution to our art. Chapeau. Jan
Message: Posted by: pegasus (Jun 19, 2013 06:47AM)
[quote]
On 2013-06-18 23:16, vinsmagic wrote:
Hi Atlas and Andrew I came across as a idiot this was not my intention for this I appologise
vinny
[/quote]

Apology accepted Vinny.
Message: Posted by: a brown 1968 (Jun 19, 2013 07:39AM)
Hello Vinny ...No worries

I do like your Giggle force/control though my handling is slightly different.

Jan - You asked a valid question and I was happy to answer.

Andrew
Message: Posted by: vinsmagic (Jun 19, 2013 03:47PM)
Thanks Andrew

I wil wait for the date when your effect is released... p[lease put me oin the waiting list

vinny
Message: Posted by: mtpascoe (Jun 21, 2013 10:51AM)
Will this book be available in an ebook?
Message: Posted by: a brown 1968 (Jun 21, 2013 11:51AM)
Hello Michael ,

The format for the Crusade is as an ebook

Regards

Andrew
Message: Posted by: Atlas (Jun 23, 2013 10:18PM)
Hello all!

Just a quick note to say that we are looking good for a release date of Friday, June 28th - so consider this post an official confirmation of that date.

Best,

Atlas
Message: Posted by: yachanin (Jun 23, 2013 10:29PM)
Hi Atlas,

All the best...

Regards, Steve
Message: Posted by: Atlas (Jun 23, 2013 10:49PM)
Ummmm...

Hi Steve?

Did I pass the test?

Your endearing friend,

Atlas
Message: Posted by: yachanin (Jun 23, 2013 11:16PM)
Hi Atlas,

Just wishing you good luck with the release :)

Regards, Steve
Message: Posted by: Atlas (Jun 23, 2013 11:25PM)
Oh.

Yeah, of course...I knew that...

Makes a lot of sense really...you'd have to be a buffoon to misinterpret that!

:)
Message: Posted by: yachanin (Jun 23, 2013 11:47PM)
Hi Atlas,

I was in a hurry this morning, but wanted to say something about your announcement. Unfortunately, I was using my iphone (and get frustrated with the tiny keypad) and, therefore, the extreme brevity of the post. What I would like to say is that I wish you all the best with your release on the 28th and I know people are going to love "The Crusade."

Regards, Steve
Message: Posted by: Magic.Maddy (Jun 27, 2013 03:11PM)
This gets released tomorrow! I'm prepared for this thread to become a huge chunk of reviews and posts of praises!
Message: Posted by: RNK (Jun 27, 2013 03:47PM)
Well, I did a fast read and run through of the original version. It works flawlessly. I will say this is super and well worth $27.00. I love how Steve and Andrew write about specific details during the presentation description. Details describing the psychology of why you are doing each step and what it cements in the audiences mind. Very professional guys and a great touch!! The effect described is what happens. I will definitely be using this.

RNK
Message: Posted by: Magic.Maddy (Jun 27, 2013 03:49PM)
Here are my thoughts in a completely unbiased review:

I think this is an important step forward for the any card at any number plot. It creates some wonderful moments of awe. The imagery included in the routine is absolutely stunning. I know that I personally want to use the script exactly as written. I have no doubt that this will fool any audience. Not only is it brilliantly constructed but it's such an entertaining routine to watch and also perform. At first I was a little worried that I would never get the script down, but after rehearsing two or three times it was amazing how easily it came. On first reading it's gonna seem like a mouthful. But when you try it out for yourselves you will see that it's rather simple. This routine really does a great job of making it seem like the magician does something miraculous rather than a coincidence. I think this is something that has been missing from all other any card at any number effects so far. It's a huge improvement over the traditional methods. This really does make it seem like you can read minds. Your audience will be convinced that you somehow knew the card and the number even though the spectators never say or write it. There's even something that Atlas talks about in those moments when someone challenges you to name the number that allows you to instantly do so. As mentioned earlier, there is a little bit of procedure to follow but it makes perfect sense and the procedure actually makes the effect appear even more impossible. The procedure eliminates any knowledge about the cards that the magician could possibly have. The routine as written is also heavily based around being able to read people's facial expressions which is a really cool addition and something that I have always found intriguing for laymen. Atlas also provides a number of various handlings and methods. One of which involves a completely hands-free method and one which involves a magician fooling move. I personally will be adding that magician fooling move into all of my performances because it fits my style perfectly. Atlas also teaches something called "The Hustle" which is another aspect you can add into the routine. He also discusses a perfect follow-up effect that will really give you a nice round routine to perform any time, anywhere, with borrowed cards at a moments notice. I have never really been a fan of the second routine that he mentions until now. I'll definitely be giving this a shot to see how the routine plays out. Great work Atlas and Andrew. I really enjoyed this. I know I'll be using it this weekend at a festival that I have. And I know I'll be using it at MANY other times as well.
Message: Posted by: takeachance (Jun 27, 2013 04:08PM)
"The routine as written is also heavily based around being able to read people's facial expressions"

Is this largely dependent on this technique for success?
Message: Posted by: Magic.Maddy (Jun 27, 2013 04:09PM)
[quote]
On 2013-06-27 17:08, takeachance wrote:
"The routine as written is also heavily based around being able to read people's facial expressions"

Is this largely dependent on this technique for success?
[/quote]

No. Not at all. You can present however you want. This is just what is provided and it works very nicely.
Message: Posted by: Illucifer (Jun 27, 2013 04:10PM)
Having read the description (though, not this entire thread), I can only say that this would be very easily and efficiently accomplished with about 90 seconds of pre-show work. I can hardly think of anything more streamlined than that.
Message: Posted by: Magic.Maddy (Jun 27, 2013 04:16PM)
[quote]
On 2013-06-27 17:10, Illucifer wrote:
Having read the description (though, not this entire thread), I can only say that this would be very easily and efficiently accomplished with about 90 seconds of pre-show work. I can hardly think of anything more streamlined than that.
[/quote]

Why waste Preshow on an ACAAN? You can do other miracles with preshow. I would never use preshow for an ACAAN unless performing for magicians. Even so, the whole point of this is the presentation. Using Preshow to accomplish THIS effect (which is really more entertaining and magical that the usual ACAAN presentation) would really be pointless :)
Message: Posted by: a brown 1968 (Jun 27, 2013 04:16PM)
RNK - thanks for the kind words ... Makes the hours working through each action and justifying each step with the scripting worthwhile

Magic maddy - please let us know how your performances go this weekend .. We both feel it is a good piece to have at your disposal any time any where there is a deck of cards, can even be an incomplete dog eared deck

All the best

Andrew
Message: Posted by: RNK (Jun 27, 2013 04:17PM)
That's what so nice with this ebook, all the careful explanation's of each subtlety used. This is a rarity in teachings. Atlas and Andrew hold back nothing. This is truly a gem.

RNK
Message: Posted by: a brown 1968 (Jun 27, 2013 04:21PM)
Hello Illucifer ,

Yes pre show can accomplish many amazing effects and can duplicate the outcome of the Crusade , if that is how you wish to create the appearance of the effect, then I wish you all the best .

Andrew
Message: Posted by: Magic.Maddy (Jun 27, 2013 04:23PM)
[quote]
On 2013-06-27 17:17, RNK wrote:
That's what so nice with this ebook, all the careful explanation's of each subtlety used. This is a rarity in teachings. Atlas and Andrew hold back nothing. This is truly a gem.

RNK
[/quote]

I have to agree. You aren't just learning the effects. You're also learning every nuance and the thinking behind and justification behind each and every step. I love it. This is my favorite buy of the year for me.
Message: Posted by: Mark_Chandaue (Jun 27, 2013 05:52PM)
I love everything about this but especially that it can be done impromptu with a borrowed deck of cards. I did that today and there response was that I should be burned at the stake which I take as a compliment. Yes the script is from the psychological approach but it doesn't take a lot to adapt the script to a mind reading presentation. Lickwise if you are a cockney wide boy like me you have to slightly adapt the script because the Atlas charm might not quite fit your rough edges (although I still aspire to be as charming as Atlas).

Mark
Message: Posted by: Magic.Maddy (Jun 27, 2013 06:31PM)
I just want to say that Atlas is such a nice guy. Really kind and helpful. I was a little worrie about my presentation and upon sending him a video of me performing. He took the time to write detailed pieces of advice and tips to make it as best as it could possibly be. He absolutely didn't have to do that, but he took the time out of his schedule to watch a video of a 16 year old badly performing his and Andrews brilliant effect. That is awesome service. And you don't find that kind of generosity often. I'm extremely impressed.
Message: Posted by: Mark_Chandaue (Jun 27, 2013 06:36PM)
Atlas is one of the nicest guys in the business he has given me help and encouragement and feedback on my ideas and has been kind enough to share some of his ideas with me. Atlas is very generous with his time, experience and friendship.

Having said all that my review of Crusade is based solely on the quality of the effect and the description and teaching of it.

Mark
Message: Posted by: Atlas (Jun 27, 2013 07:07PM)
Thanks for all the positive feedback, Andrew and I are truly pleased with the opinions that have been shared. We knew that the ACAAN plot can have a polarizing effect on people and are truly grateful that our approach has found some degree of acceptance.

I also wanted to say that I have seen my name tossed around this thread an awful lot - please don't forget Andy. I can't begin to express how fantastic he is and he deserves kudos for all his hard work.

And Mark and Maddy...good grief! Where are you two when I get pulled over? Or pulled aside by a TSA agent? I should put the pair of you on retainer...

Nobody could be THAT nice! But you have my thanks all the same. I truly love our art and always have time for those that do too.

Best,

Atlas
Message: Posted by: Mark_Chandaue (Jun 27, 2013 07:17PM)
Haha having been pulled aside by the TSA in Minneapolis, Salt Lake City and San Francisco (despite my real last name being Bush, or maybe because my real last name is Bush) I can safely say you are on your own in that situation.

When we meet up in the UK remind me to tell you a funny story about the TSA and my trip from Salt Lake to SF.

Mark
Message: Posted by: Magic.Maddy (Jun 27, 2013 08:46PM)
[quote]
On 2013-06-27 20:07, MagicAtlas wrote:
Mark and Maddy...good grief! Where are you two when I get pulled over? Or pulled aside by a TSA agent? I should put the pair of you on retainer...

Nobody could be THAT nice! But you have my thanks all the same. I truly love our art and always have time for those that do too.

Best,

Atlas
[/quote]

But you ARE that nice Atlas! Haha

I can tell that you do love and enjoy your art. It shows in every piece of yours that I have. It's a nice thing to see. Very refreshing.
Message: Posted by: RNK (Jun 27, 2013 10:53PM)
[quote]
On 2013-06-27 17:23, Magic.Maddy wrote:
[quote]
On 2013-06-27 17:17, RNK wrote:
That's what so nice with this ebook, all the careful explanation's of each subtlety used. This is a rarity in teachings. Atlas and Andrew hold back nothing. This is truly a gem.

RNK
[/quote]

I have to agree. You aren't just learning the effects. You're also learning every nuance and the thinking behind and justification behind each and every step. I love it. This is my favorite buy of the year for me.
[/quote]

Along with The Bold Project, I have to agree. One of my best buys lately. This is a brilliant sit down piece that you can build a beautiful strong mental routine with cards but wont seem like "cards" in an ordinary way. (If that makes any sense, lol) But whats great is that you could do this in any situation. A strong verstile effect. I finally had the chance to read the whole ebook and I am more impressed with all the additional ideas and situations discussed in the book. The Crusade could definitely be a reputation maker for you.

RNK
Message: Posted by: Atlas (Jun 27, 2013 11:07PM)
Hello Everyone!

Atlas here!

For those of you who are just joining us,and for those of you who have followed this thread from the start, it is official! The Crusade - A Mind Reader's ACAAN is officially available to purchase (the link is below).

So, what is this new book?

Much as 'The Prodigal' examined branching anagrams, a method that was largely ignored by performers in our community, our new book examines a plot that has broad appeal but often conjures up feelings of despair in Mentalists – The Any Card At Any Number plot.

Andrew and I have abandoned the rules here and worked to create a piece whose presentation leaves the audience with the belief that we have the abilities we claim to possess. And you can do this anytime, anywhere, with no set up or reset – and with a borrowed, shuffled deck!

I think the best way to explain what we've come up with is to offer you a look at an extract from the book (this was posted earlier, but for the sake of convenience, I will post it again here).

Imagine it:

The cards rest on the table in front of your first participant, who gingerly takes them up and begins to count down to his secret number - a number that has never been written down, verbalized, or communicated to any other person.

He counts down slowly, card after card, and then, abruptly, stops. He pauses and sets this last card aside. He has never said a word about his number. There is no way that you could have known what it was. He is confident of that.

He slides the card across to the young lady next to him. Her thoughts have been focused on an image - a suit and a value. Again, her choice of card has never been shared. It has never been withdrawn from the pack, never touched and certainly not forced.

She could have been thinking of any card in this deck.

Her hand drifts toward the card on the table. The one separated just now by her boyfriend from the rest of the pack. The one resting at the number that he was merely thinking of.

She hesitates.

The deck is their own, they shuffled it before you ever touched it. They called all the shots every step of the way.

Neither participant has ever given any indication what it was that they were thinking of, and neither believes in the ability to read minds... and yet...if the card she was merely thinking of is here, at the number that he was merely thinking of...

As though she is reaching out to touch her own delicate skepticism, her fingers flit tentatively across the card on the table - her card.

And as she reveals its face, she gasps - it is the Queen of Clubs - but it is more than that. It is belief, radiant and beautiful and glorious, a moment of dawning acceptance that will be remembered because it defied all her reason and filled her ideology with doubt.

It is a moment of pure enchantment.

And you made it happen with a borrowed deck of cards that they shuffled before you ever started.

INTRODUCTION

Before we look at anything even remotely to do with methodology, let's first take a moment to examine the origins of this title. This exercise is undertaken in the hope that you will find beauty in its layered complexity and reassure yourself that the same sort of attention to detail and search for perfection in arriving at a title for this book is the standard offered by these authors throughout this document.

Why is this called 'The Crusade: A Mind Reader's ACAAN'?

To many in the magic industry and to card magic enthusiasts especially, the 'Any Card At Any Number' plot is a cherished and well-loved miracle. It's perfect execution is so highly prized and sought after that it is popularly referred to among card enthusiasts as the 'Holy Grail'.

That begs the question - was this title merely a clever play on words? It is true that the Crusades and The Holy Grail are linked in popular lore. But while the association is interesting, there is more at work here than just opportunistic wordplay.

You see, the Holy Grail was the destination, the final prize at the end of these stories of persistent knights and daunting expeditions, whether they have their basis in fact or fiction. It bears emphasizing once more – the Grail was the destination.

The merits of the ACAAN effect have been argued back and forth for many years in the magic community.

For some, their appreciation for the effect is akin to that of a fine wine and their devotion to it never wavers.

Others, however, despise the plot and note sourly that the reaction from the audience is frequently less than enthusiastic. One person names a card and the other names a number and lo and behold – they match! It is over so quickly that it often plays as a puzzle rather than as an amazing feat that fills a person with wonder.

The argument rages back and forth, and fruitful and enlightening perspectives have emerged. Some claim that the weaknesses lie in a lack of performance ability. Others argue that the plot is fundamentally unappealing to any demographic but magicians.

The most experienced among us have consistently demonstrated that an individual will fail to recall the workings of a puzzle, but when they are escorted into an experience that fills them with wonder - when you take them on a journey that creates that wonder - they will never forget their sense of amazement or the guide that lit their path.

So, in the title 'The Crusade', you have a reminder that what you are presenting is about the journey and not the mythical Holy Grail that is at the end of it. In folklore, the term 'Crusade' has also shaken off its religious overtones and become synonymous for a period of endeavor and path to improvement – the path, mind you, NOT the destination – which, in many ACAAN plots is arrived at too quickly to have any impact.

One other important point about the title of this book. The root of the word 'Crusade' is the Latin word cruc or crux – meaning cross.

And, of course, a cross is formed at two points of intersection. And what is an intersection but the place where the roads taken by two different travelers on two unique journeys meet?

This moment of meeting is what 'The Crusade' allows you to create. When the card that one person only thought of intersects at the number another person only thought of – the journey that you created for each of them becomes the destination, and an experience is formed that will create a sense of amazement whose memory will never fade.

To a performer, that is The Holy Grail.

And the path to the Grail is through the Crusade.



If this sounds like something that would interest you, it is available at:

http://www.atlasmentalism.com/AtlasProductsCatalog.html

Best,

Atlas
Message: Posted by: entermagic (Jun 28, 2013 01:21AM)
I am very surpriced to see an effect that is already out in 2 differents variant and here everyone say that is different from any other acaan. Try to give a look to Dark Thief and Entanglement or Random Acaan
(Entaglnglemet Acaan). The new here is the presentation but anyone presents an effect as he wishes.

After I have seen the effect I said this is a different presentation for Entanglement but the answer has been No.

Maybe you asked for the permission to use the same idea?
Message: Posted by: a brown 1968 (Jun 28, 2013 02:02AM)
Hello Marco

The principle used in the effect dates back to the 17 century Marco and has been applied in different ways and effects since that date .

I wrote mine up in my notes 5 years ago after reading a famous book on mentalism which applies the principle in a different way .

If the approach was applied by somebody else then good for them . At the beginning of the process Atlas asked various knowledge guys in the mentalism field had they seen the principle applied this way and with our premise and scripting , I asked the same question to some respected card magicians. None of the came back pointing to a version that combines both . The credits to the book list numerous examples of the principle being used in different effects which was provided by these respected guys.

If you are referring to effects created by Tommy then I shall send him an email . I shall send him an email today . I have never seen his versions you mention but I know he has a large compendium of variations to the ACAAN plot . Of the versions I have seen the scripting and presentation is very brief .

With Crusade you are buying a fully scripted effect with every aspect of the handling discussed in full and the rationale behind each part.

From the people who have purchased or tested out the effect in the field so far this is what they have said makes the difference

In the Open Prediction book I have a very brief effect described which is now sold as Insane by Andy Nyman and Sub Zero by Wayne Dobson both independent creations and more importantly they gave the effect great presentations .

Andrew
Message: Posted by: a brown 1968 (Jun 28, 2013 02:11AM)
Often questions come up when trying to make an informed buying decision so here are a few nuts and bolts about the effect .

Can use a borrowed shuffled deck
The deck need not be complete or even in great condition
There are no stooges or instant stooges used
There is no duality being used
No memory work or cribs
No manipulation of the cards e.g cri**ps etc
Number not forced
Card not forced
Both determined in a fair manner
The performer does handle the cards but the spectators will not think , he did something but I did not see it .
The main versions performed at a table
I would not want to performer it in a noisy environment
Easy to perform from a technical viewpoint


Hope the above helps

Andrew
Message: Posted by: entermagic (Jun 28, 2013 02:19AM)
I want add just a comment, I didn't know the secret behind the Crusade, but I have seen the same steps performed in another effect.
I imagine the principle is the same and you are right, the presentation is 90% of the effect. If you have a good presentation also
a simple trick becomes a miracle.
Message: Posted by: entermagic (Jun 28, 2013 02:38AM)
[quote]
On 2013-06-28 03:11, a brown 1968 wrote:
Often questions come up when trying to make an informed buying decision so here are a few nuts and bolts about the effect .

Can use a borrowed shuffled deck
The deck need not be complete or even in great condition
There are no stooges or instant stooges used
There is no duality being used
No memory work or cribs
No manipulation of the cards e.g cri**ps etc
Number not forced
Card not forced
Both determined in a fair manner
The performer does handle the cards but the spectators will not think , he did something but I did not see it .
The main versions performed at a table
I would not want to performer it in a noisy environment
Easy to perform from a technical viewpoint


Hope the above helps

Andrew
[/quote]

I have seen a performance and in my opinion you can perform it also without you touch ever the deck.
Message: Posted by: Decomposed (Jun 28, 2013 02:52AM)
Looks like a big time winner from this end.
Message: Posted by: mtpascoe (Jun 28, 2013 03:00AM)
[quote]
On 2013-06-28 00:07, MagicAtlas wrote:
Hello Everyone!

Atlas here!

For those of you who are just joining us,and for those of you who have followed this thread from the start, it is official! The Crusade - A Mind Reader's ACAAN is officially available to purchase (the link is below).


If this sounds like something that would interest you, it is available at:

http://www.atlasmentalism.com/AtlasProductsCatalog.html

Best,

Atlas
[/quote]

I clicked on it and I get a warning asking me if I want to go on it. I don't know if this is a virus, but I am warned by Macafee not to go on it. Do you have a different link?
Message: Posted by: Decomposed (Jun 28, 2013 03:15AM)
I have Norton and I get no warning MT. I heard the same thing from another member regarding another effect and it was as safe as an aspirin. I am not sure why MacAfee does that.

I seldom use cards and when I do I use them for BCS. I have followed this thread for a while and getting pretty anxious. I recently cut the nail from my right index finger and made a promise to let it grow out a bit before pushing that worn out paypal key on my keyboard. :wavey:
Message: Posted by: a brown 1968 (Jun 28, 2013 03:21AM)
As a quick update

I am talking with Tommy right now and he is OK with Crusade

Andrew
Message: Posted by: Decomposed (Jun 28, 2013 03:38AM)
I like the part of the script (from this thread) where the card is slid face down on the table. Then the build up before the reveal.

There have only been a few plots that remind me of this ending and none are ACAAN. One is Richard Osterlind's think of a card miracle thought projection (think that is the name). Another one was never released and it was performed by an Asian fellow who never was going to release it. He would stand on stage with one card in his hand and have an audience member name it. Of course PS would work but that was not in play as far as I could tell. I think the audience was fairly and randomly chosen.

Anyway, a long sidebar, please forgive me, its almost 4 am in the high desert.

Today a phletora of happy reviews will follow, that much I can tell. Goodnight everyone.

Decomposed Before Buying The Grail :smiles:
Message: Posted by: a brown 1968 (Jun 28, 2013 03:49AM)
Tommy and I have had a good chat

He is perfectly happy for Atlas and I to continue to offer for sale Crusade

Andrew
Message: Posted by: Stephen Young (Jun 28, 2013 04:37AM)
First of all I am an Atlas fan. And now an a.Brown fan.

Prodigal was a lovely piece of work and this is too.
Simple, leaving everything to presentation.
Totally impromptu.

There are loads of ACAANs around. But I've never been inclined to bother with them much.
This one though, suits me nicely.

Thank you guys
Steve
Message: Posted by: yachanin (Jun 28, 2013 08:48AM)
Hi Steve,

I, too, have never found the ACAAN very interesting. "The Crusade," however, is an engaging piece of mentalism that amazes people. You can learn "the method" in a matter of minutes and then focus your attention on honing your presentation. Atlas and Andrew have created something very special and I know those who get this will love it.

Atlas and Andrew,

Thanks for releasing this :)

Regards, Steve
Message: Posted by: Magic.Maddy (Jun 28, 2013 09:01AM)
I agree with Steve, I think whoever gets this will love it. I'm not sure how anyone could be disappointed with it.
Message: Posted by: Lar (Jun 28, 2013 03:29PM)
[quote]
On 2013-06-28 03:11, a brown 1968 wrote:
Often questions come up when trying to make an informed buying decision so here are a few nuts and bolts about the effect .

Can use a borrowed shuffled deck
The deck need not be complete or even in great condition
There are no stooges or instant stooges used
There is no duality being used
No memory work or cribs
No manipulation of the cards e.g cri**ps etc
Number not forced
Card not forced
Both determined in a fair manner
The performer does handle the cards but the spectators will not think , he did something but I did not see it .
The main versions performed at a table
I would not want to performer it in a noisy environment
Easy to perform from a technical viewpoint

Hope the above helps

Andrew
[/quote]

100% true.

'Crusade' generated quite a bit of speculation when it was first announced. This is one of those rare occasions where an effect has exceeded my own expectations.

I've performed it a few times over the last couple of days and it has received fantastic reactions. It really is an excellent piece of impromptu Mentalism.

The strength of the routine (as others have mentioned) is in the presentation and routining and how they complement and disguise the method. All the little nuances and subtleties inherent in the routine show that Andrew and Atlas have really honed the effect through working it. You have something here that it greater than the sum of its parts.

The manuscript itself is very well written, fully scripted and has contributions from Greg Arce, Stephen Young and Michael Murray. With names like that offering their own spin on the effect you just know it's good. The crediting is spot on also.

I'm happy to say 'Crusade' ticks all my boxes, this is definitely a 'keeper'.

Regards,
Laurence.
Message: Posted by: Funnybaldbloke (Jun 28, 2013 06:33PM)
I've just finished my first read through of 'The Crusade' and I have to say its brilliant.

Easy to read, easy to understand, easy to do and leaving you free to throw yourself into the presentation.

I'm not a massive fan of using playing cards but this effect, especially with the ability to use a borrowed or incomplete deck, will definitely be going into my regular repertoir.

'The Hustle'. Genius.

The hard core ACAAN guys will probably sneer at this, but it will be their loss. I can see this really freaking people out as it just seems so clean and innocent.

I've been a fan of Atlas for a while, I'm now also a fan of Andrews.

Great work guys, this should be in everyone's library.

Cheers,

Tony
Message: Posted by: Magic.Maddy (Jun 28, 2013 08:44PM)
[quote]
On 2013-06-28 19:33, Funnybaldbloke wrote:


'The Hustle'. Genius.


[/quote]

I agree! However, I don't think I will be using it. Even though it is an EXTREMELY powerful option, I rather like the routine as it is and actually prefer the original outcome rather than 'The Hustle' outcome.

I hope that makes sense to those who have it.
Message: Posted by: magus (Jun 28, 2013 11:41PM)
Everybody is coming up with an ACAAN lately. There have been some real dogs, pipe dreams, and questionable tactics presented.
This is workable, the method and presentation have been very well thought out.
Anything I could say has been said already in previous posts.
So I'll just say, this is good, I like it.
If I decide to do an ACAAN, I'm going to do this one.
Message: Posted by: nique (Jun 29, 2013 01:07AM)
Can't add much more to the mix, but yes - while the fans of the ACAAN plot will probably be let down, The Crusade provides a solid presentational angle as to "how" and "why" the effect occurs, which I think will appeal to the mind reader presenting the effect. There is some procedure involved (which actually adds to the fairness of everything); I've shared with Atlas that because of this, I probably won't be doing this strolling (you most certainly can, mind you) but I can definitely see myself performing this in more intimate, informal settings where I can create an atmosphere of interest. I love presentation heavy routines, though seldom get to fully perform them. This is one to add to the list.

~ Nique
Message: Posted by: a brown 1968 (Jun 29, 2013 04:04AM)
I am sorry I do not have the time right now to thank each and everyone of you but it is my intention to do so my PM of the next few days as time permits .

Best wishes

Andrew
Message: Posted by: zactudor (Jun 29, 2013 03:29PM)
For anyone considering this or any other atlas product, I had never heard of atlas or A brown 1968 before this thread ( you can see I am relatively new to the forum. It intrigued me enough to look at the other products of Atlas and I have just bought the whole set from Atlas' website and they are all very well written and I think will be added to some of my sets in the near future. Crusade is very usable and is a useful addition to the ACAAN canon for a mentalist performer.
Thank you Atlas as well for dealing with my queries very quickly and I am a very satisfied customer. Next thing you bring out please PM me and I am sure to be interested!

Just to be clear I have never met, spoken to or communicated with either party before my questions regarding this purchase!
Message: Posted by: Atlas (Jun 30, 2013 01:41AM)
Well, I've just come back from a hugely busy day to this!

I can't adequately express how satisfied and grateful I am to see all the great feedback here. This has been a busy thread in my absence! Thanks to both Steves - I want you to know that I am a big fan of your thinking as well!

Maddy, your support for this piece is unwavering and (judging by the video you sent me), you will be using it with devastating results (author's note: that's a fun way to use the word devastating in an unexpectedly positive way - see how this post is keeping you guessing??)

Laurence and Tony, I'm so pleased that despite the speculation on the thread we managed to exceed expectations and give you an innocent, impromptu piece. I love it too.

Patrick and Nique, you each said you didn't have much to add, but then said some very kind things - thanks! You are each such creative people in your own right that your thoughts mean a lot.

And Zac, thanks for taking the time to look into 'The Prodigal' and 'The Real Thing', I am confident that you will be busy for the next few weeks!

And Decomposed, I appreciate your confidence in this and your prediction (which, happily, was true)!

And finally, MtPascoe: I write the HTML myself, it is perfectly safe (if not a bit drab) - so there are no viruses. I don't know how to make one. The obvious downside to this fact is that while I'm a guy that can code something and put it up on a website, I 'm not good enough to fly into an enemy alien mothership on autopilot with Will Smith to upload something that will save the world and the human race.

So if that eventually happens and it's up to me, we're all dead.

Best,

Atlas
Message: Posted by: Mark_Chandaue (Jun 30, 2013 04:17AM)
This didn't just pass the girlfriend test it knocked it right out of the ball park. She absolutely loved this effect. This is the third ACAAN effect I've show her and also the one that got the most enthusiastic response by a country mile. Andy and Atlas really have made something very special here.

Mark
Message: Posted by: JanForster (Jun 30, 2013 01:49PM)
To be honest while reading the effect I knew the method straight away. But that doesn't mean anything. I am long time around and I like card magic, I know more or less all of Tommy's work. It is the presentation and the "dressing" what makes the difference. So I really like this work and do not regret that I bought and read it, even more, I really have to recommend it. Well done, no hype. Jan
Message: Posted by: magicthree (Jun 30, 2013 02:16PM)
Just want to add my 2 cents here. I'm only up to the Hustle so I haven't finished yet. To be honest, on my first read thru I didn't like it that much but a few days later read it again and liked it a little more and now after a third read thru I'd say this is excellent. With the right presentation this is a real fooler. It is very well written and thought out. I probably would present this as a poker player where reading faces and tells are very important and as I show the spectator the cards they are to try to show no emotion when the see their card or think of their number. This is a great impromptu trick and worth every penny. I should of waited until I read the whole book before posting a review but I really like this.
Message: Posted by: vinsmagic (Jun 30, 2013 03:22PM)
I did like the effect
\ but will; tweek it to my style and I will perform this a the MAGIC CASTLE
\ ILL LET EVERYONE KNOW HOW IT WENT
VINNY
Message: Posted by: Atlas (Jun 30, 2013 03:46PM)
Jan - Thanks for your gracious and thoughtful feedback. We're thrilled that you'd recommend it.

Mark - That's great to hear, this is a card effect that doesn't necessarily feel like one (if you know what I mean).

Tony - You sound like an thoroughly informed guy (from your background in the introductory post you made a few days ago) and I am very pleased we've won you over. I'm sure you will enjoy presenting this.

And finally Vinny - Wow! I'm so pleased to hear that - you are undeniably knowledgeable and to hear that you will be performing it at the Magic Castle is just fantastic. I'm sure we'd all love to hear how it goes in your extremely capable hands.

Best,

Atlas
Message: Posted by: Martin Pulman (Jun 30, 2013 03:51PM)
It will be really interesting to hear your report of your performance, Vinny. As others have said, this is an effect that is all about presentation. the actual principle at play is probably well known to most of us. So an actual report from the frontline would be much appreciated.
Message: Posted by: yachanin (Jun 30, 2013 10:18PM)
Hi All,

I was at my nephew's wedding reception yesterday and had the opportunity to perform The Crusade twice. Another nephew in attendance (visiting from New York) asked me if I had been working on any new effects since he had last been in town. I told him there was something and proceeded to perform The Crusade for him and a few other attendees who happened to be standing near our table. I wish the wedding photographer could have snapped a picture of the looks on everyone's faces when the other volunteer turned over her card and it matched the card she had been keeping in mind. Everyone... and I mean EVERYONE... had their mouths and eyes wide open in wonder. After a couple seconds someone finally said, "What the h*ll?," and then his voice trailed off and they gave me a round of applause.

The applause attracted the attention of several more attendees and some time later, one of them came up to me and asked why everyone was applauding. I told him and he asked if I could show him and some of his friends. He called some of his buddies over and I performed The Crusade for them. The expletive was much stronger when the volunteer's card was turned over :)

In all, the reactions were great! Even those who were just observing were drawn in by the routine and you could see their bodies tense in anticipation while the face of the card was being revealed.

Regards, Steve
Message: Posted by: Magic.Maddy (Jul 1, 2013 12:03AM)
I have a rather odd success story. Some kids at my church always ask to see any new magic I have (one is 9 and one is 12) so today I showed them crusade. I dumbed down the routine and basically used them as my guinea pigs to let me test out the workings and make sure I can give clear enough instruction (if these two kids could do it, then trust me, ANYONE could do it)

I wasn't excepting a reaction from them at all actually. I didn't even care. However, when I named what number the kid was just thinking of and then turned over the card to show it was the kids card, they flipped out! They were completely amazed and impressed and both continually aske me to do it again.

This came as a great shock because this isn't kids magic by any means. However, I am very happy it turned out as it did.
Message: Posted by: Michael J (Jul 1, 2013 04:51AM)
I purchased The Crusade yesterday from Atlas' website. Everything went well and I got the download in minutes. Later that day I received an email from Atlas.

He thanked me for purchasing The Crusade but was concerned that I might have missed the redirect link to the Download. So he actually sent me a copy of the eBook attached to the email. For me that was fantastic customer service and I take off my hat to him.

I don't know Atlas and have only come across his name via this Topic. I have replied to him but I am mentioning this here as I have never had such excellent service from any magic company in all my magic life.

I've read the eBook and tried it for myself and all I can say is what a brilliant effect. I can't wait to get the presentation down pat and then go out and fry people’s minds.

Michael
Message: Posted by: Stephen Young (Jul 1, 2013 05:27AM)
"Do the Hustle" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wj23_nDFSfE
Message: Posted by: Funnybaldbloke (Jul 1, 2013 05:51AM)
Oh great...thanks for that Steve! I hadn't even clicked on the link, I knew what was coming and the tune was in my head and I know it'll be stuck there for days.

I shall have my revenge.

Oh yes, I shall have my revenge.
Message: Posted by: Atlas (Jul 1, 2013 01:04PM)
Michael,

Thanks for taking the time to share your thoughts, I don't think I really did anything extraordinary by sending you a follow up email - I just wanted to make sure you got the book! I'm pleased that you enjoyed it and I'm sure you will be out there using this in no time!

And Stephen - good grief! You are incorrigible. I think the last time I heard that song it was part of a montage in "Only Fools and Horses".

Cushty!

Best,

Atlas
Message: Posted by: Stephen Young (Jul 2, 2013 03:18AM)
Incorrigible? isn't that one of them airship things?
You sayin' I is fat?

Steve
Message: Posted by: Jeff Wassom (Jul 2, 2013 11:49AM)
Very pleased with what I received. Seen the principle before, but never would have thought to use it for ACAAN. Couple this with slick and creative scripting and you have a real winner. Atlas also was kind enough to tip me privately what he follows this with (an impromptu version of an effect I'd stop doing in favor of a set-up version) which I'm excited to come back to as well.

I'd be hard pressed to imagine anyone not using this often, which IMO justifies the price.
Message: Posted by: a brown 1968 (Jul 2, 2013 12:17PM)
Hello Jeff,

Good to read you feel you have received value for your money and that you will use Crusade for many years to come .

Following up with the classic trick mentioned by Atlas leaves the spectators with two long lasting memories that they have witnessed something special .

Andrew
Message: Posted by: Doctor REvil (Jul 3, 2013 12:01PM)
Just to let you guys know, I used this several times last week in Bristol at the famous Magic bar, Illusions where I was the guest magician (again :) )..... it garnered several gasps of amazement and loud rounds of applause every time!!!

This for me is a winner! well done on a fab piece of magic!


David
Message: Posted by: Kaliix (Jul 3, 2013 01:28PM)
I don't do a ACAAN. I just never really got into the effect. But so many people were heaping such praise, the right kind of praise, on this effect. I sat on my $27, debating whether it would be worth it for one effect. I mean, I've been in magic to long to go spending that much on one trick. I can afford it, that's not the point. It is more the principle that I don't want to waste my money on something that isn't worth it. And then there is the whole mentalist thing...

But something told me this was worth it, so I took a chance.

Wow! Just Wow!

It is rare that I learn a trick these days that just gets me giddy once I finally figure out the details and perform it right a few times. And yet here I was just today, just sitting at my desk giggling over how *** good this is and how it is going to fry a laymen's brain housing group, complete with smoke if that was possible.

This is dangerous good because it is routined beautifully, because each step is motivated, because it builds quite nicely to a great climax and because it is so well written that you could just follow the script. Yet the script easily allows you to phrase things more to your style so that you may come off either serious or cheeky or anywhere in between.

If this interests you at all, just get it. Don't think about it, just get it. I was worried about the process but you shouldn't be. It is solid, motivated and is going to be fun to perform.

Yeah, it's that good...

Oh, and to Atlas and Andrew, a job well done sirs. This is polished piece of mentalism and I thank you for sharing your thoughts with us.
Message: Posted by: takeachance (Jul 3, 2013 06:45PM)
[quote]
On 2013-07-03 14:28, Kaliix wrote:
I don't do a ACAAN. I just never really got into the effect. But so many people were heaping such praise, the right kind of praise, on this effect. I sat on my $27, debating whether it would be worth it for one effect. I mean, I've been in magic to long to go spending that much on one trick. I can afford it, that's not the point. It is more the principle that I don't want to waste my money on something that isn't worth it. And then there is the whole mentalist thing...

But something told me this was worth it, so I took a chance.

Wow! Just Wow!

It is rare that I learn a trick these days that just gets me giddy once I finally figure out the details and perform it right a few times. And yet here I was just today, just sitting at my desk giggling over how *** good this is and how it is going to fry a laymen's brain housing group, complete with smoke if that was possible.

This is dangerous good because it is routined beautifully, because each step is motivated, because it builds quite nicely to a great climax and because it is so well written that you could just follow the script. Yet the script easily allows you to phrase things more to your style so that you may come off either serious or cheeky or anywhere in between.

If this interests you at all, just get it. Don't think about it, just get it. I was worried about the process but you shouldn't be. It is solid, motivated and is going to be fun to perform.

Yeah, it's that good...

Oh, and to Atlas and Andrew, a job well done sirs. This is polished piece of mentalism and I thank you for sharing your thoughts with us.
[/quote]

Agree with your evaluation of this Kaliix. I was one of the first to buy this and wasn't going to say much because I thought it was so well scripted which took it to a very entertaining for spec's level and away from a magicians luv it card trick. The secret is well hidden with the script. I just hope people do it justice as it is really an excellant piece.
Message: Posted by: Atlas (Jul 4, 2013 10:42AM)
Hi Jeff, thanks for taking the time to share your thoughts. I'm pleased that you liked the book and agree that this is something that you can perform often and is clean and entertaining - as David has been able to attest also!

I have to say, David, that I get the same reactions when I perform this. I will actually be in the UK soon and we may get to meet up. I've heard about this place in Bristol, and am excited to make the trip.

Kallix, thanks for your very kind review. When you said "I don't do an ACAAN", yours was a position that I think a lot of us can identify with. I'm glad that's changed for you and so many others. And you also mention a key point - there are, as the Doctor would say (there's a reference for all you sci-fi fans), "Fixed points" in the script, but everything else can be changed to suit your style. There is a lot of versatility here to make this piece conform with your presentation style.

And, finally, Takeachance - thanks for your feedback also. You correctly point out that this piece is for our audiences and is geared toward giving them an entertaining experience that they will always remember.

Thanks for all the kind words everyone!

Best,

Atlas
Message: Posted by: Xaerius (Jul 7, 2013 10:59AM)
I just performed this for my girlfriend, who has seen a lot of my stuff, but I still managed to get a strong reaction from her! Thanks for releasing this, Atlas! :)

Nigel
Message: Posted by: monello74 (Jul 7, 2013 11:52AM)
I had a chance to perform it with my friends and the effect is very very good.
I suggest this effect to everyone. It is impromptu, easy to perform and everything is well justified.

Congratulation Andy and Atlas.


Bye,
Tommy
Message: Posted by: a brown 1968 (Jul 8, 2013 04:30AM)
The girl friend test is one of the toughest to pass , what with "Oh not another magic effect you want to show me attitude" Great to read Crusade passed with flying colours Nigel.

Tommy you have such a in depth understanding of the ACAAN effect that praise from you is really appreciated.

Atlas and I have been overwhelmed by all the good feedback.

Thank you one and all

Andrew
Message: Posted by: Xaerius (Jul 8, 2013 10:34AM)
Oh yes, and thank you as well for the release, Andrew. Apologies for missing you out!

And yes for you guys have haven't gotten it, that's how good it is... It helped me pass the "girlfriend test". :)

I perform it with the premise of "brainwaves connecting" rather than the one suggested though. I start off by talking about how what I'll be performing is similar to cases where two people think of something, and say it at the same time - when brainwaves connect. :P

Nigel
Message: Posted by: vinsmagic (Jul 8, 2013 10:44AM)
All I csn say
Crusade is a killer........i performed crusade at the trophy room at the Magic Castle last nit,e and the reactions were tremendous of course I used my own style and made iot work for me.....
thank you Andy and Atlas

vinny
Message: Posted by: Nicolino (Jul 8, 2013 01:01PM)
You got me hooked - I will go out just tonight and try finding a new, unused and fresh magician's girlfriend so I can try out the mentioned 'test' with her.
(All the others have gone over the years after finding out them being abused as magical test bunnies).

Wish me luck, Mondays are general tough to catch bunnies... :D
Message: Posted by: Steve Suss (Jul 8, 2013 03:03PM)
[quote]
On 2013-07-08 11:44, vinsmagic wrote:
All I csn say
Crusade is a killer........i performed crusade at the trophy room at the Magic Castle last nit,e and the reactions were tremendous of course I used my own style and made iot work for me.....
thank you Andy and Atlas

vinny
[/quote]When Vinny speaks I listen.
Steve
Message: Posted by: Daren (Jul 8, 2013 03:04PM)
I have recently purchased this and think this is fantastic, very easy to do but oh so baffling!!! great effect and one that I am going to work on
Message: Posted by: Atlas (Jul 9, 2013 11:30PM)
Thanks for the feedback Nigel, Tommy, Vinny, and Daren. I was especially pleased to hear that this went over well for you at the Magic Castle, Vinny. And I agree Steve, he knows a thing or two!

Nicolino, I'm reporting you to PETA... :)

Best,

Atlas
Message: Posted by: Nicolino (Jul 10, 2013 04:07AM)
:angel: :bunny:
Message: Posted by: Nicolino (Jul 11, 2013 01:52AM)
Now seriously, I was demoed Crusade last weekend. And what can I say?

It was the blend of a brilliant performer, an extremely well fitting patter and a bloody clever effect that left me nothing but fooled!
Wow, this does not happen every day...

The only concern one could have is that this effect needs a certain mood and environment to unfold best; it's nothing you would want to show in a hurry or to a wired crowd. Otherwise I'm impressed - by its simplicity, its methodical mimicry and the ease of performance!
Well done, mates!
Message: Posted by: a brown 1968 (Jul 11, 2013 05:18AM)
Hi Nicolino

Great to read you were fooled, now that was unexpected !!

I am current preparing another script and approach which is much lighter and more suited to mental magic or card guys.

In addition there will be an appendix in the future offering alternate handlings devised by those who have performed the effect in the field.

Best wishes

Andrew
Message: Posted by: Nicolino (Jul 11, 2013 05:24AM)
[quote]
On 2013-07-11 06:18, a brown 1968 wrote:
...now that was unexpected !! [/quote]
It was. We both know... :D
Message: Posted by: rowdymagi5 (Jul 11, 2013 06:42AM)
I bought it a few hours ago, looking forward to it. I will post my thoughts when I recieve the ebook.
Message: Posted by: Axman (Jul 11, 2013 07:07AM)
This is simply brilliant. Entertaining, incredibly fair, and a monumental effect.
best trick I've bought for ages.
Seriously well done, this is up there with the best card tricks ever. I mean that.
This deserves to become an absolute classic.
Message: Posted by: Bosco J. (Jul 11, 2013 07:22AM)
Thank you Andrew and Atlas for releasing this. What more can be said but...excellent!

[quote]
On 2013-07-11 06:18, a brown 1968 wrote:

I am current preparing another script and approach which is much lighter and more suited to mental magic or card guys.

In addition there will be an appendix in the future offering alternate handlings devised by those who have performed the effect in the field.

[/quote]

Will this addendum be available to all who purchased The Crusade?

Bosco
Message: Posted by: a brown 1968 (Jul 11, 2013 07:33AM)
Hello Axman ,

Great to read your comments and that you will be performing Crusade for many years to come Axman .

I can't comment if Crusade is up there with the best effects ever , I leave that for each person to form their own opinion given their knowledge of magic, skill and to whom they perform too.

All I can say is I am happy we decided not to make this a limited release at much higher price. Seeing plenty of happy customers is a good feeling to start the day with.

Andrew
Message: Posted by: a brown 1968 (Jul 11, 2013 07:37AM)
Hello Bosco

The addendum will certainly be available to those who have purchased direct from Atlas but it may take a while to sort out.

Have a great day

Andrew
Message: Posted by: Bosco J. (Jul 11, 2013 07:45AM)
Sounds good Andrew. Really looking forward for the right occasion to perform this.

I certainly hope this collabration with Atlas is but a start to many future offerings!

Bosco
Message: Posted by: JanForster (Jul 11, 2013 07:47AM)
[quote]
On 2013-07-11 02:52, Nicolino wrote:
Now seriously, I was demoed Crusade last weekend. And what can I say?

It was the blend of a brilliant performer, an extremely well fitting patter and a bloody clever effect that left me nothing but fooled!
Wow, this does not happen every day...

The only concern one could have is that this effect needs a certain mood and environment to unfold best; it's nothing you would want to show in a hurry or to a wired crowd. Otherwise I'm impressed - by its simplicity, its methodical mimicry and the ease of performance!
Well done, mates!
[/quote]

Was it me? :) Jan
Message: Posted by: JanForster (Jul 11, 2013 07:47AM)
And if not, you know about my drug problem... ;) Jan
Message: Posted by: Nicolino (Jul 11, 2013 07:59AM)
[quote]
On 2013-07-11 08:47, JanForster wrote:
Was it me?
[/quote]
At least one of you.



If I recall correctly.....


Whatever, let's take another deep puff! :smoke: :smoke:
Message: Posted by: JanForster (Jul 11, 2013 10:02AM)
:smoke: :smoke: :smoke: beautiful world. And let's invite Steven, from Holland... always welcome... :smoke: ... :) Jan
Message: Posted by: Atlas (Jul 11, 2013 10:31AM)
Well, I must say that I was pleased to wake up and see that this thread had gotten longer and was filled up with splendid feedback from Nicolino, Axman, and Bosco!

Nicolino - While I was pleased to hear your experience with "The Crusade", I'm sort of more interested in how your efforts went on Monday night!

Axman - I appreciate such enthusiasm. Time will tell.

Bosco - I thought I'd post a little bit more about the forthcoming supplement. As many of you who have read the book will have noticed, there is an inherent flexibility in the process, and some very creative minds have corresponded with me and shared their alterations. So, after some thought, we decided to release an addendum to the book that shares handlings by Greg Arce, Laurence Hookway, Michael Murray, and others. I want to be the first to thank them for taking the time to share their ideas and variations, and for being willing to allow us to share them with others. I'm hoping to put the supplement together within the next month or so and will send it out to everyone who currently owns the book. There are some very clever adaptations out there, including one in which the thought of card is placed in front of the participant before the other participant's thought of number is ever even considered. This supplement will be full of great ideas and subtle convincers and I think you will enjoy it.

Thanks again to everyone for all the kind words - With a subject like the ACAAN plot (which is frequently contentious), I am pleased and genuinely gratified to see a consensus that our book was a worthwhile addition to the canon.

Best,

Atlas
Message: Posted by: Nicolino (Jul 11, 2013 01:48PM)
@Atlas:
Frankly, again I was talking way too big!
Being a real sweet guy actually :lover:, here's what I did: instead of pulling a bird out on the streets I spent the whole evening with my lovely wife watching Breaking Bad's episode 9 (season IV).
You're assuming right: we had a great time indeed!

@Mr. Forster:
Speaking of good times, Jan: do we really Stephen's stuff to feel Young again? I foung we had such a riot together (although I can't exactly remember what the hell we did the night from Thursday to Sunday...)!

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Message: Posted by: JanForster (Jul 11, 2013 02:14PM)
Stop that, NSA is watching us... :) Jan
Message: Posted by: KiKi (Jul 12, 2013 12:42AM)
Very nice routine, indeed. I like the "Greg Arce- counting idea" very much!
kiki
Message: Posted by: Stephen Young (Jul 12, 2013 02:14AM)
I'm confused now.

Am I wanted or not wanted?
And if so, what for?

Steve
Message: Posted by: rowdymagi5 (Jul 12, 2013 04:06AM)
Excellent. I love this effect!
Message: Posted by: RNK (Jul 12, 2013 10:11AM)
[quote]
On 2013-07-11 15:14, JanForster wrote:
Stop that, NSA is watching us... :) Jan
[/quote]

LOL!!! That's Great!!
Message: Posted by: Martin Pulman (Jul 12, 2013 01:36PM)
[quote]
On 2013-07-11 11:31, MagicAtlas wrote:
Well, I must say that I was pleased to wake up and see that this thread had gotten longer and was filled up with splendid feedback from Nicolino, Axman, and Bosco!

Nicolino - While I was pleased to hear your experience with "The Crusade", I'm sort of more interested in how your efforts went on Monday night!

Axman - I appreciate such enthusiasm. Time will tell.

Bosco - I thought I'd post a little bit more about the forthcoming supplement. As many of you who have read the book will have noticed, there is an inherent flexibility in the process, and some very creative minds have corresponded with me and shared their alterations. So, after some thought, we decided to release an addendum to the book that shares handlings by Greg Arce, Laurence Hookway, Michael Murray, and others. I want to be the first to thank them for taking the time to share their ideas and variations, and for being willing to allow us to share them with others. I'm hoping to put the supplement together within the next month or so and will send it out to everyone who currently owns the book. There are some very clever adaptations out there, including one in which the thought of card is placed in front of the participant before the other participant's thought of number is ever even considered. This supplement will be full of great ideas and subtle convincers and I think you will enjoy it.

Thanks again to everyone for all the kind words - With a subject like the ACAAN plot (which is frequently contentious), I am pleased and genuinely gratified to see a consensus that our book was a worthwhile addition to the canon.

Best,

Atlas
[/quote]

The Crusade - the gift that keeps on giving!
Message: Posted by: a brown 1968 (Jul 13, 2013 04:56AM)
You know, I wish are could write as well as my learned friend Atlas.

Thought canons shot heavy balls ... You learning something new everyday :))

Andrew
Message: Posted by: MatCult (Jul 13, 2013 08:11AM)
Just wanted to add my praise for 'The Crusade'.

With this routine plus Dr Bill's Mirabill and OOTW, I've got a solid 20 minutes of hard hitting mental effects any time, anywhere with any borrowed deck.
Message: Posted by: Atlas (Jul 15, 2013 01:57PM)
Nicolino - WHERE do you find these emoticons??? They fit your sentences perfectly.

Kiki - Thanks for your feedback, I'm pleased you like the routine. If you liked Greg's counting idea, you'll love what he shares in the supplement.

Martin - You are right to get excited about the forthcoming additions. They range from subtle convincers to bold handlings that add some risk to the routine (like your tinkering with Positive/Positive).

Rowdy - I am very happy that you're using words like 'Love' in your post. I'd love to hear how your performances go.

MatCult - I think you've got a great set there. Doctor Bill sent me MiraBill and I am similarly enamored with it. Mentalism with cards is possible in a pretty hands off way. As far as OOTW, Michael Murray shared his handling with me and it is excellent - again, with a borrowed and shuffled deck, but the participant hangs on to the cards the entire time while sorting. Impressive? Gobsmackingly so.

And finally, Andy - Thanks my friend, it is kind of you to say - though I don't think you do too badly at all.

I think that's everyone.

Thanks for all the kind comments, they are nice to hear, but (more importantly) we are most pleased about the fact that this is generating such great reactions for those of you who have performed it!

Best,

Atlas
Message: Posted by: a brown 1968 (Jul 22, 2013 03:26AM)
I have added here the thoughts of Marc Paul , which he kindly sent me at the weekend

"Congratulations! I think that you and Atlas have a great philosophy to the ACAAN effect. You really understand how to make the effect into a miracle and I'm really pleased that you focused on that.

The way they structure the effect and make the method part of the cleanness of the effect is an education. This is a very interesting approach and worth studying." Marc Paul
Message: Posted by: RNK (Jul 22, 2013 09:29AM)
I have been using this on the boat and have to say- The Crusade really hit's the audience hard. This is one of those effects that basically mutes the audience in amazement when the card is turned over. Not to mention the first little kicker when you reveal the 2nd person's number before you or they turn over the card. That is such a nice moment in itself. The combination of "Inexplicable" followed by "The Crusade" has really been fabulous and go super together. Of coarse- The Crusade would be just fine by itself- such a strong routine. Really enjoying this Atlas!!

RNK
Message: Posted by: Atlas (Jul 23, 2013 08:11PM)
Hi RNK,

Thanks for your feedback - I think Andy and I are inclined to agree with you. And you are right - the first reveal is so simple (but powerful) that when you get to the point where the card is revealed, there is often a moment of complete silence as people take a moment to process what just happened. It just seems so impossible that, sometimes, explecitives are the only words that come out. Has anyone else noticed that they get an inordinate amount of swears with this?

And that was a great and very kind quote of Marc's that Andy shared. I wasn't aware that he'd seen this, and am so pleased that he had such nice things to say.

As an update, work on the supplement marches inexorably forward, and I'm hoping to have it all done and released soon. There is some really good stuff there already, and if anyone else has anything they want to share, please do try and let me know before the end of this week.

Best,

Atlas
Message: Posted by: magicman29 (Jul 24, 2013 02:20PM)
I have this with awhile but didn't want to write a review because I wanted this thread to just fade away and that way nobody would be performing it only the few that have it, selfish I know but its just that good that the less people know about this the better!
I don't think I've ever performed a routine that involves two people that is so hard hitting, the first time I performed it I had butterflies in my stomach because the second that card was turned over everyone's jaw just dropped!
There's not much else I can say about "the crusade" that hasn't already been said only whatever has Atlas's name on it, get it!

Kieran
Message: Posted by: Steve Suss (Jul 24, 2013 02:21PM)
I've now had a chance to review this effect several times and have corresponded with Atlas and I must say that I love it.

Over 45 years ago I had the privilege of being taught by Slydini. Slydini was not really a card specialist but he knew good card magic. One of the effects Slydini taught me was called SM(these are initials only of the full name). When I started reading the Crusade Ebook I immediately knew the principle involved since it is the same principle used in SM. A smile came to my face because I immediately realized how good this principle would be for an ACAAN type of effect. Sure enough a page or 2 later SM was mentioned as a starting point for the origins of The Crusade. Knowing the principle involved and having performed SM for over 45 years I knew this was going to be a powerful effect that I would actually use. I wish I could say that more often.

For me this effect checks off all the boxes. It is powerful and practical. From a shuffled deck in use you can perform this stand up, close up and surrounded(parlor and stage also). It allows the performer to inject as much showmanship as he or she can. There is nothing technically demanding other than a good presentation.

I personally would not use this in a typical "walk around" situation but would prefer using it as an encore with an eager and attentive audience. This is not an effect you want to rush but is an effect you want to save for the right moment when you know the audience wants more.

My only suggestion, which I discussed with Atlas, is to use this as a follow up to SM. I think both effects work perfectly together and enhance each other. These two effects together with the effect recommended by Atlas to follow the Crusade would form a very nice mental trio that would leave the audience with something to think/talk about for a long time.

I congratulate both Andy and Atlas for a great job and look forward to more of their creative efforts. Thanks.

Steve
Message: Posted by: Magicsquared (Jul 26, 2013 11:44AM)
I had written Atlas and Andrew inquiring about this effect. One of the problems of effects that don’t have demos is that you have no idea if it’s the type of effect that will fit your performing style (even if it’s a good effect, it might not be good for you). So what I wanted to ask them was how convoluted the selection of the number and card are. If you’re performing in a formal situation you can get away with certain things that you just can’t in more casual situations. And for me, the moment I start dictating a strict set of conditions to the people I’m performing for (Such as, “Let’s choose a random number. Stick out between 1 and 5 figures on your left hand, and a different number on your right hand, and that will be our [i]random[/i] number.” ) my audiences see right through that stuff because everything else I do feels so free and unrestricted. It would be like making love to a different woman 6 nights in a row with reckless abandon and then on the 7th night the 7th woman is like, “We can kiss. But you can’t touch me below the waist or above the knees. I’ll take my clothes off, but only in the dark.” Restrictions send a signal that something is off.

I had a chance to read through the manuscript and here are my opinions on the effect.

1. If you’ve been in card magic for a while, you will have seen similar types of effects. You are unlikely to be blown away by the method.
2. As far as the question I originally asked -- how convoluted is the selection procedure for the number and card – I would say it’s right down the middle. It’s nowhere near a free choice. But it’s not something that will draw a lot of suspicion or that can be easily backtracked. And I will say that the scripting does a lot to justify the actions required.
3. There are certain effects that can be performed poorly, in any situation, and still get an amazing reaction. This is not one of those effects.
4. However I do believe if you put some thought into your performance, and you’re in a good situation for this type of effect (one with engaged spectators where you can take your time), I have a feeling that it will go over very, very well the vast majority of the time.

If you have an ACAAN that you’re really happy with, this is probably not a necessary purchase. If you’re still looking for one though, I think this is definitely worthy of your attention.

My comments are made based on a fairly quick read-thru, not an actual performance. I’ve tried to address the things that are important to me and hopefully that will resonate with others.
Message: Posted by: Knobz1 (Jul 26, 2013 12:34PM)
[quote]
On 2013-07-26 12:44, Magicsquared wrote:
I had written Atlas and Andrew inquiring about this effect. One of the problems of effects that don’t have demos is that you have no idea if it’s the type of effect that will fit your performing style (even if it’s a good effect, it might not be good for you). So what I wanted to ask them was how convoluted the selection of the number and card are. If you’re performing in a formal situation you can get away with certain things that you just can’t in more casual situations. And for me, the moment I start dictating a strict set of conditions to the people I’m performing for (Such as, “Let’s choose a random number. Stick out between 1 and 5 figures on your left hand, and a different number on your right hand, and that will be our [i]random[/i] number.” ) my audiences see right through that stuff because everything else I do feels so free and unrestricted. It would be like making love to a different woman 6 nights in a row with reckless abandon and then on the 7th night the 7th woman is like, “We can kiss. But you can’t touch me below the waist or above the knees. I’ll take my clothes off, but only in the dark.” Restrictions send a signal that something is off.

I had a chance to read through the manuscript and here are my opinions on the effect.

1. If you’ve been in card magic for a while, you will have seen similar types of effects. You are unlikely to be blown away by the method.
2. As far as the question I originally asked -- how convoluted is the selection procedure for the number and card – I would say it’s right down the middle. It’s nowhere near a free choice. But it’s not something that will draw a lot of suspicion or that can be easily backtracked. And I will say that the scripting does a lot to justify the actions required.
3. There are certain effects that can be performed poorly, in any situation, and still get an amazing reaction. This is not one of those effects.
4. However I do believe if you put some thought into your performance, and you’re in a good situation for this type of effect (one with engaged spectators where you can take your time), I have a feeling that it will go over very, very well the vast majority of the time.

If you have an ACAAN that you’re really happy with, this is probably not a necessary purchase. If you’re still looking for one though, I think this is definitely worthy of your attention.

My comments are made based on a fairly quick read-thru, not an actual performance. I’ve tried to address the things that are important to me and hopefully that will resonate with others.
[/quote]Thanks for your review Magicsquared. I'm still debating on purchasing this or not. Think I will still hold out for a few more reviews before deciding. Thanks again.
Message: Posted by: Nicolino (Jul 26, 2013 12:54PM)
Magicsquared, please come back and report after you've performed it! :D
Message: Posted by: magicthree (Jul 26, 2013 01:20PM)
I like the "abbreviation" version the best by Greg Arce with a charlier shuffle thrown in after spectator 1 notes his card.
Message: Posted by: Magic KL (Jul 29, 2013 11:45PM)
I am also debating...it's too good to be true. However, at the same time,I am wondering...

Can they tell everyone their number and card first, and have a third person deal the cards?
Is it possible for the magician to be totally hands off?
Message: Posted by: Magic.Maddy (Jul 29, 2013 11:50PM)
[quote]
On 2013-07-30 00:45, Magic KL wrote:
I am also debating...it's too good to be true. However, at the same time,I am wondering...

Can they tell everyone their number and card first, and have a third person deal the cards?
Is it possible for the magician to be totally hands off?
[/quote]

Yes and yes.

Or you can tell them the number they r thinking of before they even turn it over.

Just look on the "best of 13" thread. MANY people are saying this is the best product of the year. I have to agree.
Message: Posted by: a brown 1968 (Jul 30, 2013 08:22AM)
Hi MagicSquared

Thank you for taking the time to write your review and the points made.

Atlas and I decided not to put up a demo because the strength in the effect is the premise and scripting of the effect, which customers have already commented upon on the thread. If we had put up a demo with the script, then nobody would have to purchase the effect and if we had muted the sound the impact of the effect would have been lost.

Taking on board your points I shall try to expand upon them to help potential customer make an informed decision.

The first point is how procedural is The Crusade??

The best way I can explain is by example:

Here in England Soccer is the national game and each year there is a Knock Out Cup competition. When there are say 52 clubs left and the Premier teams such as Man United come into the competition, the draw is show live on TV with millions watching.

The adjudicator is independent and it is his role to select the teams to play against each other.

Since he knows the names of all the teams, the most direct approach would be for him to call out “Liverpool will play Chelsea “

However the direct route is not taken because there would be doubt in the minds of the millions watching that either his choices may have honest but subconscious bias may have been a factor or at the other extreme he was a confederate and rigged the selections.

On the other hand he is not asked to stand on one leg, write 4 numbers down on a pad, ask for a random person’s birthday, and multiply the lot to come up with a random number which agrees to one of the 52 teams. This approach will end up with a fair selection but the method is out of place and those watching will comment more on the selection process than the matches to be played.

The actual approach is to have the 52 names on balls in a bag.
The audience watching know that the bag is not gimmicked and the balls are not gimmicked. The adjudicator shakes the back and takes out a ball and now commits that name to memory and does the same with a second ball. For the audience at home this approach gives them the reassurance that the two teams committed to memory are freely chosen and without bias and also the adjudicator can look back and feel that the approach was fair and above board.

The Crusade was created to be like the last option and not the standing on one foot approach. How can we be sure of this ? The effect has been performed countless times both before release and since release and we have had no feedback that the spectators involved or watching thought the method was anything but fair
in the context of the premise and script.

I do recall watching Paul Daniels perform OOTW on his TV show and was blown away and then when I bought the Curry booklet, thought hmm how simple the method when I was expecting something else, like the Gilbreath principle which I still can’t grasp the mathematics of. When I created the effect it was my intention to use a simple method which gives a high level of gearing to the impact of the effect on the audience mind. I know of a respected card guy who is a Magic Circle winner who was recently baffled by the effect when it was performed on him. Had he read the ebook he would have recognised the principle which is over a hundred years old straight away. Whilst we never set out to create an effect to fool magicians
It does go to show how the scripting is layered to hide the method by actively involving the spectators in the effect rather than be passive observers

You mention that it is nowhere near a free choice. I agree not a free choice in the sense of simply think of a card and think of a number. This is the classic premise and Atlas has taken great pains to state for potential buyers, Crusade is not trying to be another version of the classic. With Crusade the spectators involved and those watching are certain of a few facts. They shuffled their own deck, the card and number though of are FREE from personal bias and that there is no question of a confederate. Most important of all, the entire audience are satisfied the performer has not been able influence what the number or card is. Especially as neither are written or called out.

As you mentioned, the method is pretty much impossible for the audience to back track, which is why some buyers have performed it more than once at a gig and people have seen it two or three times and still left dumbfounded.

You are right MagicSquared, Crusade cannot be performed in the original version in a walk around noisy party. I have mentioned this point a few pages back but it is worth stating again. For Atlas and I , The Crusade is a performance piece and worth picking the right time to perform it. That is not to say in needs special conditions or lighting to perform. A hobbyist can perform it for his mates down at the pub on a table or it can be part of a working mentalists set.

When Atlas and I say the value is in the script, we are not saying it is some Bizarre story effect which only suits a few people.

I trust the above adds to MagicSquared’s review and gives potential buyers more information when deciding it is worth it for them.

I hope MagicSquared you try Crusade out. It is possible to adapt to the effect to other styles- Vinny the Godfather is passionate about ACAAN effects and he performed Crusade at the Magic Castle receiving an excellent response from his audience.

Andrew
Message: Posted by: Atlas (Jul 30, 2013 10:20AM)
[quote]
On 2013-07-30 00:50, Magic.Maddy wrote:
[quote]
On 2013-07-30 00:45, Magic KL wrote:
I am also debating...it's too good to be true. However, at the same time,I am wondering...

Can they tell everyone their number and card first, and have a third person deal the cards?
Is it possible for the magician to be totally hands off?
[/quote]

Yes and yes.

Or you can tell them the number they r thinking of before they even turn it over.

Just look on the "best of 13" thread. MANY people are saying this is the best product of the year. I have to agree.
[/quote]

I just woke up and saw this thread and I wanted to take a moment and clarify this statement - when Maddy answers yes to both questions, there is some degree of ambiguity as to who 'They' are.

If, by the word 'They', you mean the participants - the answer is that at a certain point in the presentation, you could have them call out their number and card and a third party could deal out the cards and all would match up. However, if, by the word 'They', you mean the performer, then the answer would be that this was not possible as stated in your question, though at a certain point (and under certain circumstances), the performer could announce both the number and card before either was spoken by the participants.

As to the other question asked - yes, it is possible to perform this without touching the cards, but I suggest that it is a limitation that is unnecessarily placed upon ourselves and there is little benefit in doing so.

I also wanted to take a moment and thank Kieran, Steve, MagicSquared, and MagicThree for taking the time to share their thoughts, they are all appreciated.

As a quick update, I'm hoping to have the supplement out by the 10th of August.

Best,

Atlas
Message: Posted by: magicthree (Jul 30, 2013 10:28AM)
Atlas,looking forward to it.
Message: Posted by: Magic KL (Jul 30, 2013 11:24AM)
Thank you all for the answers!!
Message: Posted by: entermagic (Jul 30, 2013 11:27AM)
If you want I can add that you can perform this effect also via webcam using the spectator deck. Everything happens in the spectator hands.

Just my 2 cents.

MP
Message: Posted by: geggy (Jul 30, 2013 02:53PM)
[quote]
On 2013-07-30 09:22, a brown 1968 wrote:

As you mentioned, the method is pretty much impossible for the audience to back track, which is why some buyers have performed it more than once at a gig and people have seen it two or three times and still left dumbfounded.

Andrew
[/quote]
Hi Andrew And Atlas,
I want to congratulate you both for this marvellous routine. I have not yet performed this for anyone as yet, but the little segment Quote above made me chuckle.
I have this, I run thru it and it works,but I have trouble Backtracking it myself!! Couple this with the beautiful way this is layered and structured and its bombproof...Absolutely love this.. Thank-you both.
Message: Posted by: Magic KL (Jul 30, 2013 05:48PM)
What?! You can perform this via webcam using the spectator's deck?! This IS berglas effect!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

By the sound of it, it is possible to do what Lu Chen did at EMC (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cs4_-UMMT90). Am I right??

Thanks in advance~
Message: Posted by: Joe Roberts (Jul 30, 2013 05:51PM)
[quote]
On 2013-07-30 18:48, Magic KL wrote:
What?! You can perform this via webcam using the spectator's deck?! This IS berglas effect!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

By the sound of it, it is possible to do what Lu Chen did at EMC (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cs4_-UMMT90). Am I right??

Thanks in advance~
[/quote]

No, you can't. there is a significant procedure for the effect that isn't detailed in the description. It's a good effect. But certainly not that clean.
Message: Posted by: insight (Jul 30, 2013 09:24PM)
One question: Is the ad copy from the performer's perspective or from the spectator's perspective?

Regards,
Mike
Message: Posted by: Atlas (Jul 30, 2013 10:26PM)
Hi Mike,

I suppose it was written from a sort of Dickensian, omniscient narrator's perspective. The copy begins by addressing the would-be performer and asking him or her to imagine the experience at the climax of the performance, through the eyes of each respective participant.

The experience is homogenous from the perspective of the audience and both participants, in case that was the underlying concern that motivated the question.

I hope I've been helpful, but in case I haven't, I'd be happy to answer any supplementary questions via PM, where we can go into more detail.

Best,

Atlas
Message: Posted by: J-Mac (Jul 31, 2013 12:22AM)
Just picked this up a little while ago. Probably read it tomorrow.

I'm not a wizard with the pasteboards, and I would never call myself a mentalist..... but - what the heck!!?!

Thanks!

Jim
Message: Posted by: carlwag (Jul 31, 2013 04:42AM)
Very good indeed .
Message: Posted by: KiKi (Jul 31, 2013 07:51AM)
Does anyone use this in his show, or do you think it´s more suitable for casual or impromptu performances?
KIKI
Message: Posted by: RNK (Jul 31, 2013 08:54AM)
[quote]
On 2013-07-31 08:51, KiKi wrote:
Does anyone use this in his show, or do you think it´s more suitable for casual or impromptu performances?
KIKI
[/quote]

I use it on my cruise ship gigs and in informal settings. This effect is versatile and can be used in any setting. I must say it gets that unbelievable reaction!

RNK
Message: Posted by: Dannicus (Jul 31, 2013 06:53PM)
I know that I am a little late to this party but I ordered and received this yesterday afternoon so I thought I would pop in and share my initial .02.

I perform at several venues on a regular basis. All of them are pubs/bars/nightclubs. I do both magic and mentalism and the patrons love both equally. Most take it for granted that producing a small bottle of tequila, a lime and a pair of frilly panties from a Starbucks coffee cup is sleight of hand conversely "Glance", signed coin bends, MindBuster routines --performed well--leave them questioning reality and sometimes their sanity.

Now back to The Crusade. I have been pondering presentations of this effect and because of the many card effects that regulars have seen me perform I think they are likely to assume that if I even touch the cards I have manipulated them. This is the downfall of performing both Magic and Mentalism concurrently at the same venue. Usually I like to keep a clear division between sleight of hand/magic and mentalism effects. I try to use little or no props for mentalism and have always avoided cards.

The problem is, I like the premise of this effect a lot and the routining as others have said is great so I am going to try to work with it. I know I could easily fool my lay audiences with it as a "card" trick but I believe if I want it to be a mental effect, at least in my specific circumstances. I'm going to have to not touch the cards. I have 6 shows between now and next Monday so I will look forward to polishing it up and trying different performance options within the routine. I believe that with good audience management I may never have to touch the deck and still keep it moving so that the audience does not lose focus.

I have seen Atlas suggest in a couple of places (including the manuscript) that he thinks never handling the cards yourself really doesn't buy you much, but I believe in my case it may be essential.

I will do a performance review after the weekend to share my experiences both positive and less so. I love a challenge and I am excited to see what I can wring out of this basically self working but brilliantly thought out and scripted routine.

Have a great weekend everyone!
Message: Posted by: emyers99 (Jul 31, 2013 07:02PM)
I just picked this up based on some threads here, and it is fantastic. Finally something that lives up to the hype. The method I thought up was way off from the actual method even though the method is simple. Brilliant. Also nice was the fact that unlike pretty much every other ebook released these days, this one wasn't riddled with typos and horrific grammar. Future ebook writers take note.
Message: Posted by: ReetDeeDee (Jul 31, 2013 08:21PM)
I also purchased this yesterday, mostly based on the large number of positive reports on this thread, and would like to add my endorsement to "The Crusade".

Prior to my purchase, I was a bit wary as to whether I would be able to give this effect the justice it sounded like it deserved. I'm an 'almost' 50-year old hobbyist with basic card handling abilities, and consider this a very worthwhile purchase. If there's anybody sitting on the fence about The Crusade, wondering whether they could 'do it', I would say go ahead and buy it. I think it is a well structured and written eBook.

The performance description with associated explanations and reasoning are solid. I'm hoping that by performing this, I will be able to slow down my performance and not worry so much about 'the mechanics' - as I know that I give over the impression of being a bit rushed - never an enjoyable thing to watch. This in turn should now provide a much more entertaining effect for the spectators.

I'm glad I took the plunge and just hope I can to it justice.
Message: Posted by: a brown 1968 (Aug 1, 2013 02:12AM)
Hello one and all

RNK - great to read you are using Crusade as part of one of your workings sets . Where in the world do your cruise ships sail .

Emyers - I have Atlas and a few friends to thank for proof reading the book numerous times to eliminate the typos etc ...

ReetDeeDee - wishing you all the best in performing Crusade , with the no finger flinger to worry about you have all the time to focus on the performance and let it flow at a pace which suits you .

Thanks to all of you for taking the plunge , I hope one day to see a fellow performer at an event or convention perform Crusade to friends or layman and watch the reaction .

Andrew
Message: Posted by: thethirteensteps (Aug 1, 2013 02:52AM)
[quote]No, you can't. there is a significant procedure for the effect that isn't detailed in the description. It's a good effect. But certainly not that clean.[/quote]

While this effect sounds excellent, the significant procedure does sound like a trade off to some very clean, but not so hands-off ACAANs already out there. Fair to say?
Message: Posted by: magicman29 (Aug 1, 2013 03:04AM)
Again I just want to congratulate atlas and andrew on this masterpiece of work, In the "best of 2013" thread the crusade is winning by a mile.
Last night I performed this for a couple who are getting married in October, they were so floored they begged me to perform at their wedding, I'm kinda sh*tting it as this will be my first real time performing infront of people I don't know and getting paid for it!
I have performed for this couple before but it was the crusade that got me this bit of work, again andrew and atlas Thanks for releasing this to the community ;)

Kieran
Message: Posted by: Nicolino (Aug 1, 2013 03:33AM)
LOL Kieran, you'll make it! Good luck!
Message: Posted by: samdan (Aug 1, 2013 10:13AM)
Crusade is simply outstanding. As a hobbyist doing magic for family and friends I am always on the look out for good, easy effects, and there just aren't that many. Crusade is perfect! It's very easy, yet very powerful. I find the "procedure" referred to by 13steps to be a big plus as it makes the reveal that much more amazing to the spectator. It just doesn't seem possible. Off topic, another great, easy trick is Positive/Positive. Same vein, i.e. you can focus on presentation and don't have any knuckle bending to do at all!
Message: Posted by: Shadowmoor (Aug 1, 2013 10:48AM)
I don't think it's been asked, but this effect does not require playing cards. For instance, it works great with the Major Arcana Tarot cards- so long as the card's name is displayed on the card as text to give the spectator a way to remember the card.
Message: Posted by: magicbyswh (Aug 1, 2013 11:33AM)
How long or drawn out is the performance time? I mean the deck is shuffled and a spectator thinks of a number then counts down to that number to a playing card. That card is then slid to another person that has mentally thought of a value and suit and when the card is turned over it matches the thought of value and suit? Am I correct in this description?
So can this be done quickly or does the method require a drawn out process?
Message: Posted by: Joe Roberts (Aug 1, 2013 11:34AM)
[quote]
On 2013-08-01 12:33, magicbyswh wrote:
How long or drawn out is the performance time? I mean the deck is shuffled and a spectator thinks of a number then counts down to that number to a playing card. That card is then slid to another person that has mentally thought of a value and suit and when the card is turned over it matches the thought of value and suit? Am I correct in this description?
So can this be done quickly or does the method require a drawn out process?
[/quote]

No, that's not the process. I don't want to explain what the process is because then I'd be explaining the method.
Message: Posted by: Atlas (Aug 1, 2013 11:40AM)
Wow - there have been a ton of posts in my absence! There is a lot to say, so let me begin by thanking J-Mac for taking a leap of faith, I hope that you have enjoyed the book and I'd love to hear how your performances go.

CarlWag, I'm pleased that you liked the book. I think people who follow your posts know you don't mince words and say what you think, so those three words are high praise.

Kiki, thanks for your question and Robert, thanks for answering it.

Eric, thanks for the kind words - Andy and I tried to avoid any hype, just offering facts. I'm pleased that the book lived up to your expectations and that you thought it was well written. Andy was right - when I sit down and write something, it goes through numerous stages and this was no different. I sat down and got everything out on paper and then brutally refined it over the course of about six or seven iterations until the result was what it should be. And I appreciate the help of everyone who got a review copy and spotted a typo that the computer or my addled brain missed. Having said that, I don't think this approach to writing is anything special, it should be a part of every writer's routine and it is extraordinary that it is not.

ReetDeeDee, I appreciate the endorsement and I am sure that you will do fine. Allow yourself to hit the essential waypoints and pour your personality into the effect and you will have a miracle.

Andy - Hey buddy!

TheThirteenSteps - Samdan is right, there is a procedure, but it isn't presented as such. In fact, it is the procedure that makes this so powerful. It is difficult to envision that being the case, but it is true. It also invests the audience in the performance and develops the journey that enshrouds their experience and captures their interest. But to answer your initial question, yes - that is fair to say (though read on in this post and you will see that it can be hands off).

Kieran, you are very welcome and I'm pleased to hear of your pending booking - in all honesty, I'm sure you were ready for it anyway and have nothing to thank us for or to fear. You and your personality are what makes an effect great.

Nicolino, your post was good, but you need more emoticons doing impossibly strange things :)

Samdan, thanks for taking the time to share your thoughts and to answer TheThirteenSteps questions. I'm glad you enjoyed the book and I'd love to hear how your performances go.

Shadowmoor - you are absolutely correct. This can be done with magazines, or pictures, or credit cards, or receipts, etc. If cards aren't your thing, you aren't limited by that at all.

Okay, now the big item that I wanted to address was an issue raised by Dannicus. Dannicus my friend, you are the exception that proves the rule. I fully concur that your unique blend of performing styles makes a hands-off presentation essential. It can be done, but your will need to ensure that your scripting is clean and that your directions are clear. To this end, find a way to use short words and sentences as they are hard to misunderstand. I'd be sure to employ the hands-off handling I outlined at the end of the book and (being cryptic now) don't be afraid to go through twice rather than once if that won't take too long. I'd love to hear how things go for you.

I think that is everyone. I want to say that Andy and I are both very pleased that this is being embraced so warmly and are very happy to hear that it has a place in your collective repertoire.

Best,

Atlas
Message: Posted by: magicbyswh (Aug 1, 2013 12:07PM)
[quote]
On 2013-08-01 12:34, Joe Roberts wrote:
[quote]
On 2013-08-01 12:33, magicbyswh wrote:
How long or drawn out is the performance time? I mean the deck is shuffled and a spectator thinks of a number then counts down to that number to a playing card. That card is then slid to another person that has mentally thought of a value and suit and when the card is turned over it matches the thought of value and suit? Am I correct in this description?
So can this be done quickly or does the method require a drawn out process?
[/quote]

No, that's not the process. I don't want to explain what the process is because then I'd be explaining the method.
[/quote]

So is the ad copy misleading? That is what I read in the ad copy. Can this be done in a quick setting or is it a drawn out process?
Message: Posted by: Joe Roberts (Aug 1, 2013 12:13PM)
[quote]
On 2013-08-01 13:07, magicbyswh wrote:
[quote]
On 2013-08-01 12:34, Joe Roberts wrote:
[quote]
On 2013-08-01 12:33, magicbyswh wrote:
How long or drawn out is the performance time? I mean the deck is shuffled and a spectator thinks of a number then counts down to that number to a playing card. That card is then slid to another person that has mentally thought of a value and suit and when the card is turned over it matches the thought of value and suit? Am I correct in this description?
So can this be done quickly or does the method require a drawn out process?
[/quote]

No, that's not the process. I don't want to explain what the process is because then I'd be explaining the method.
[/quote]

So is the ad copy misleading? That is what I read in the ad copy. Can this be done in a quick setting or is it a drawn out process?
[/quote]

The ad copy is the end of the process. It will take a few minutes at least to present if you follow the procedure/presentation in the manuscript.
Message: Posted by: thethirteensteps (Aug 1, 2013 12:18PM)
Thanks for the answers, Samdan and Atlas. This effect sounds better the more I hear about it.
Message: Posted by: fregis (Aug 1, 2013 03:20PM)
After reading so much good reviews on this thread I felt I couldn t wait any more.
Good thing it is an instant download. ;-)
Althought I knew the method (quite similar to a very nice trick bought from a british mentalist from the Kent), it appears a lot of time has been put in building the perfect script!
This is a NUCLEAR mental bomb! :)
Message: Posted by: a brown 1968 (Aug 2, 2013 02:15AM)
Hello magicbyswh

Did you receive enough information to answer all your questions .?

Please email Atlas and I if you want any further assistance , especially about whether the effect will fit in with your style or current repertoire .

Andrew
Message: Posted by: Kaliix (Aug 4, 2013 12:26PM)
I've had this now about a month and finally felt like I could give it a shot. I had some relatives together after we celebrated my grandfather's 90th birthday. We were all ah, how shall we say, feeling good after the party and they were like come on show us something. So I brought them down to a table after retrieving a deck of cards and performed the crusade. The build up to the end of this is just so good. They are thinking there is no way I could know the number and the card. My sister had the card and was almost hesitant to flip it over. She just looked at it, kind of threw it down going "No way, no way! How could you know the....ahhhhh?!? That was awesome!!"
Message: Posted by: Lar (Aug 4, 2013 02:03PM)
Welcome to the 'Crusade' Kaliix.

It really is a wonderful feeling as your assistant is reaches out to turn over the final card and you KNOW your audience about to have a meltdown. That's what you call a magical moment.

Best wishes,
Lar.
Message: Posted by: olaf911 (Aug 5, 2013 04:37AM)
Similar situation as with Kaliix for me yesterday.

Obviously my presentation needs a bit of polishing. My relatives found it perfectly reasonable that I read them in the way The Crusade suggests. It does not exactly help that there is a show on German TV with a psychologist who IS able to do the things I only pretend to be capable of. Argh.
So I followed up with Nu Way Out Of This World. This blew them away then.
Some homework to be done for me, it seems...
Message: Posted by: a brown 1968 (Aug 5, 2013 07:27AM)
Two very interesting view points from performing Crusade to relatives

With Kaliix - They assumed he did not have unearthly powers and therefore were blown away because Crusade provides evidence that he appears to have them.

With Olaf - The presentation was such the relatives did not think Crusade was a card trick but a demonstration of real ability, they believed him . I would take that as a compliment and the link with Nu Way Out of This World gave a terrific ending .

Olaf, I will think on your circumstances and see how the scripting , premise could be changed to deal with total believers . The additional supplement coming out on the 10th may provide you with guidance also .

Andrew
Message: Posted by: MatCult (Aug 5, 2013 08:03AM)
[quote]
On 2013-08-05 05:37, olaf911 wrote:
My relatives found it perfectly reasonable that I read them in the way The Crusade suggests.[/quote]

I don't see this as a negative. Mentalism is about playing with this sort of believability.
Message: Posted by: olaf911 (Aug 6, 2013 03:21AM)
Andrew, MatCult, thank you both for your kind words. Now that I have come to think about it you both may be right. Total belief in this case may in fact be a compliment.
At the time of performance I was totally flabbergasted because of this unexpected reaction. Of course my relatives know that I do magic, and I am glad to say they all enjoy it (except my wife, that is). But this time there was no "show" planned, but I just asked a married couple for help to improve my knowledge of body language. Totally impromptu this time with a borrowed deck of cards. I think the first time they realized there might be some magic in play was at the end of Nu Way Out Of This World. ;)

Cheers,

Olaf
Message: Posted by: TheStoner (Aug 6, 2013 04:55AM)
Bought this a few days ago after all of the positive comments in the "Best of 2013" thread. Glad that I did - excellent stuff. Simple to do, a real layperson fooler, the perfect way to use cards in a true mentalism effect - great!
Message: Posted by: captainsmiffy (Aug 7, 2013 04:33PM)
I have had the pleasure of occasional correspondance with Andy Brown over the recent few years and I thus always prick my ears up when an effect bearing his stamp is on the horizon.....I don't know Atlas, although I have purchased one or two items from him ithe past and have always been very pleased that I have. The collaboration between these two characters was therefore of real interest to me and I have taken the plunge and purchased Crusade. What a lovely effect it is! A simple, though extremely effective principle from card magic is taken and is beautifully wrapped up in a plot/presentation that completely obfuscates the original workings. The spectator is simply left with nothing to work back from and the result is a lovely little effect that I am glad to have purchased. I wont bother to describe the effect as this has already been done here on this thread...suffice to say that it is a great effect and much attention has been paid to the presentation, elevating this from a simple trick to a real hard hitting routine that is really very straightforward to perform and should give the performer ample space to really hone his delivery. Am quite impressed......well done chaps!! And you don't have to be an 'ace of the base' whizz with the cards in order to perform it either....(cos I'm not!!).
Message: Posted by: Magic KL (Aug 7, 2013 06:17PM)
Hi all, if you compare Crusade and Barrie Richardson's Impromptu Card At Any Number, which one do you like more? I am just curious. Thanks in advance!
Message: Posted by: Mark_Chandaue (Aug 7, 2013 06:43PM)
Personally I prefer Crusade for a number of reasons but the biggest of those reasons is the presentation. Barrie's used to be my ACAAN of choice but it does not have any of the impact of The Crusade. Barrie's plays like a great card trick with the spectator selecting the card, it being lost in the pack and the magician dealing down to the named number. With the Crusade a spectator merely thinks of a card and a second spectator deals down to a number that exists only in their head and has never been revealed to the performer. The process used for the spectator to think of the card and the other spectator to think of the number only serves to make everything seem completely fair and impossible.

Mark
Message: Posted by: Magic KL (Aug 8, 2013 11:42AM)
Thanks, Mark.
Message: Posted by: olaf911 (Aug 8, 2013 01:44PM)
[quote]
On 2013-08-07 19:43, Mark_Chandaue wrote:
Personally I prefer Crusade for a number of reasons but the biggest of those reasons is the presentation. Barrie's used to be my ACAAN of choice but it does not have any of the impact of The Crusade. Barrie's plays like a great card trick with the spectator selecting the card, it being lost in the pack and the magician dealing down to the named number. With the Crusade a spectator merely thinks of a card and a second spectator deals down to a number that exists only in their head and has never been revealed to the performer. The process used for the spectator to think of the card and the other spectator to think of the number only serves to make everything seem completely fair and impossible.

Mark
[/quote]

For all it is worth: I second this. Would have written exactly the same.
I am always on "The Crusade" (please forgive me this play of words) for the Holy Grail. Call it a hobby within a hobby if you like. Before The Crusade it was Barry Richardson's version, but now this is the version I am most happy with. This one simply fits me. Does that make any sense at all?
Message: Posted by: Magic KL (Aug 8, 2013 02:05PM)
Thanks, Olaf. It's good to know that at least one person switched from Barry Richardson's version to the crusade. Am I going to be next? ^.^
Message: Posted by: Lar (Aug 8, 2013 03:48PM)
[quote]
On 2013-08-07 19:43, Mark_Chandaue wrote:
Personally I prefer Crusade for a number of reasons but the biggest of those reasons is the presentation. Barrie's used to be my ACAAN of choice but it does not have any of the impact of The Crusade. Barrie's plays like a great card trick with the spectator selecting the card, it being lost in the pack and the magician dealing down to the named number. With the Crusade a spectator merely thinks of a card and a second spectator deals down to a number that exists only in their head and has never been revealed to the performer. The process used for the spectator to think of the card and the other spectator to think of the number only serves to make everything seem completely fair and impossible.

Mark
[/quote]

I couldn't agree more Mark. For me the huge thing in Crusade is that the thought of card and thought of number are never spoken nor revealed by the assistants until the finale when there is a single face down card waiting to be revealed. When the assistant names the card they are thinking of, turn the face down card over and see that it is their card it's a stunning moment.

That for me is what makes this so utterly baffling for audiences and immense fun to perform. No-one knows what the thought of number and thought of card are except the assistants themselves. It's all in their heads. Combine that with the detailed presentation in Crusade and you have, for me at least, a stronger effect than any ACAAN type effect I've used.

Best wishes,
Lar.
Message: Posted by: Kaliix (Aug 8, 2013 06:06PM)
I was thinking about it today. I think this trick is so good because Atlas and Andrew discovered how to turn a simple and innocuous principle into a fantastic mentalism effect by wedding that principle to the perfect presentation. The presentation engages the spectator, allows the key information to exist totally in the spectators minds while completely disguising the method and allowing the climax to build naturally to a seemingly impossible, tension filled revelation.
Message: Posted by: jpmillet (Aug 9, 2013 12:47PM)
Hi, Im a beginner in magic from Mexico, I have bought some dvds and books and learning new stuff every day, but I am looking for a killer effect, that is really easy to do (Usually my friends and spectators are watching every move that I do) with almost no sleight of hand. Could this be it?
I have read some wonderful stuff about this.
Thank you and sorry for the bad grammar!
Message: Posted by: Robert P. (Aug 9, 2013 01:25PM)
[quote]
On 2013-08-07 19:17, Magic KL wrote:
Hi all, if you compare Crusade and Barrie Richardson's Impromptu Card At Any Number, which one do you like more? I am just curious. Thanks in advance!
[/quote]

I [i]just[/i] bought Barrie Richardson's Impromptu Card At Any Number (yesterday), and then I stumble upon this thread. Arrgghhhh....haha. I'm still looking forward to getting it but now I will want to get this one as well. Perhaps next month when the magic funds are replenished.
Message: Posted by: olaf911 (Aug 9, 2013 03:50PM)
Robert, you did not waste your money. Barries routine is a very good piece of impromptu mentalism. I like it very much. The Crusade just fits my personality more. This might be very different for you. I think you have to compare them both to be on the safe side.
Message: Posted by: Mark_Chandaue (Aug 9, 2013 03:54PM)
Barrie's still has a place for example it is far more practical to do Barrie's 1 on 1 than the crusade. Also the crusade is a power piece, it needs the right setting and atmosphere and so there will be several performing circumstances where Barrie's will be the better fit.

Mark
Message: Posted by: geggy (Aug 9, 2013 03:56PM)
[quote]
On 2013-08-09 13:47, jpmillet wrote:
Hi, Im a beginner in magic from Mexico, I have bought some dvds and books and learning new stuff every day, but I am looking for a killer effect, that is really easy to do (Usually my friends and spectators are watching every move that I do) with almost no sleight of hand. Could this be it?
I have read some wonderful stuff about this.
Thank you and sorry for the bad grammar!
[/quote]

Hi Jp...Yes this is it....10% is method 90% is the script that you are given....this is a wonderful effect...And a total mind blaster..
Message: Posted by: rasp (Aug 9, 2013 04:06PM)
Yes I know it is an over used cliché, so please do not have a go at me, but............

WHY THE HELL DID I NOT THINK OF THIS!!!

Seriously though, I read all the posts about this and thought to myself, 'Here we go again, another over hyped effect!!'...... How wrong was I ??!!

Not quite sure what swayed me, but I really am happy I took the plunge. The method is ridiculously simple (once you know it), and I am not ashamed to say that it fooled the pants off me. Mr Brookings says in the manuscript to try and figure the method out yourself before reading further because of the simplistic secret involved. I grabbed a deck of cards and proceeded to try and nail it myself......... to no avail.

Then proceeded to read further....... I still have not stopped kicking myself!!!

The story and routining that Atlas has woven around this little something is spot on.

I have absolutely no qualms recommending this little gem to others..............

Now Mr Brookings, what other little gems have you put out there that have gone under my radar I wonder?

Regards,

Ian.
Message: Posted by: Atlas (Aug 9, 2013 04:42PM)
Hello everyone. I just spotted all these new comments and thought I'd take a moment to thank you all on behalf of Andrew and myself.

We are both glad to see that this is being so highly recommended and have been ecstatic to hear your results as you have begun to work through this.

To address one point above, Mark mentioned that this cannot be performed for a single person - We should be releasing the supplement tomorrow, and there is a handling for a single participant that was thought up by the singular Michael Murray!

Watch for it as well as some excellent ideas and suggestions from Greg Arce and Laurence Hookway!

Thanks again everyone - Andrew and I are both so glad that you've placed your trust in us and that we've been given the chance to contribute in a meaningful way.

Best,

Atlas
Message: Posted by: Mark_Chandaue (Aug 9, 2013 04:46PM)
Just a correction I didn't say it couldn't be performed for a single person, just that in its standard form Barrie Richardson's would be more practical in that scenario.

Looking forward to reading the supplement, the list of contributors contains some great minds.

Mark
Message: Posted by: Atlas (Aug 9, 2013 04:50PM)
Mark,

I stand corrected - which, as you will no doubt note from a rather shameful and humiliating autobiographical piece in the supplement, is not the first time.

Best,

Atlas
Message: Posted by: rasp (Aug 9, 2013 05:26PM)
An apology is owed by myself.

In my review I should have mentioned Mr Brown............... Sorry Andrew, and look forward to further releases from yourself.

Regards,

Ian.
Message: Posted by: yachanin (Aug 10, 2013 10:07AM)
Hi Atlas and Andrew,

How wonderful it is to see so many people recognizing the beauty and elegance of The Crusade. I'm sure there will be even more excitement once the supplement is out! All those votes for the "Best of 2013" are well deserved :)

Regards, Steve
Message: Posted by: Atlas (Aug 10, 2013 12:44PM)
I just dropped in here to tell everyone who owns "The Crusade - A Mind Reader's ACAAN" to check their inbox for the supplement (I've just sent it out) and I saw your post, Steve. Thanks for your very kind words my friend!

If anyone has been missed, please do let me know - but check your junk folder first. I'll do my utmost to remedy any oversight.

Thanks everyone!

Best,

Atlas
Message: Posted by: Stephen Young (Aug 10, 2013 01:33PM)
Ah.. something to keep my eyes open for.
I performed this yesterday and just floored people with it.

Steve
Message: Posted by: Fin (Aug 10, 2013 10:27PM)
Thanks for the additional pdf update, it's brilliant. I particularly like Mr Murray's handling for a single spectator as I rarely perform for more than one person.
Message: Posted by: simplymagicweb (Aug 11, 2013 08:05AM)
Just got the additional PDF. Fantastic!!!!! The routine submitted by Lar is a real beauty!! Great stuff
Message: Posted by: KiKi (Aug 11, 2013 08:12AM)
Also Thanx for the additional pdf! Very nice stuff!

Kiki
Message: Posted by: DrTodd (Aug 11, 2013 09:51AM)
Wonderful, wonderful, wonderful!

I REALLY like this.

It has the feel of Bannon's Deck Reckoning in its cleverness, and yet is so cool for a Mentalism demonstration.

Brilliant!
Message: Posted by: Nathaniel (Aug 11, 2013 10:53AM)
I bought this last night and are more than happy with it! In lack of a real audience at midnight in my living room, (you can never find a spectator when you need one) I was forced to split my mind and pretend to be the performer, participant 1 and participant 2 at the same time. Anyhow I can tell you that each imaginary person and my self felt well entertained ;-)

It is so easy, that you can focus on the presentation and build up an amazing peace of mentalism. I had butterflies in my stomach when I was reading through the script, because you get the feeling that this is so much fun performing for a real audience.

Now I am happy that no potential spectator was around me, after reading through, because following the detailed performance description is more important than to know the principle it self. This is a very well thought out and structured eBook. "The Crusade" is simply amazing. Best effect I've bought in 2013 so far...
Message: Posted by: a brown 1968 (Aug 11, 2013 12:34PM)
I am on vacation in the Cech Republic with my family .

I am so pleased to be able to pop onto the Café and read
Crusade is still finding new devotees .

Asking a question to those who have purchased
crusade .. Would they have preferred if it had sold
As a DVD instead ?

Andrew
Message: Posted by: RNK (Aug 11, 2013 12:41PM)
[quote]
On 2013-08-11 13:34, a brown 1968 wrote:
I am on vacation in the Cech Republic with my family .

I am so pleased to be able to pop onto the Café and read
Crusade is still finding new devotees .

Asking a question to those who have purchased
crusade .. Would they have preferred if it had sold
As a DVD instead ?

Andrew
[/quote]

No. The pdf was fine especially with the detail you guys supplied inthe presentation.

RNK
Message: Posted by: J-Mac (Aug 11, 2013 12:47PM)
A definite "No" here. I much prefer the written instructions. Besides, the script really HAD to be written, unless there are folks out there who like to memorize the basics and flow of a script from a DVD.

Thanks!

Jim

[quote]
On 2013-08-11 13:34, a brown 1968 wrote:
I am on vacation in the Cech Republic with my family .

I am so pleased to be able to pop onto the Café and read
Crusade is still finding new devotees .

Asking a question to those who have purchased
crusade .. Would they have preferred if it had sold
As a DVD instead ?

Andrew
[/quote]
Message: Posted by: rgnprof (Aug 11, 2013 01:48PM)
While I have not piped in yet, I slso love this effect (as stated in another thread, I frequently feel 'underqualified' to comment on effects, considering all the experience and expertise on this forum). But, I have spent the better part of the last 2 years getting caught up in the field - after a 25 year hiatus. Magic books/manuscripts purchased and read within the past 2 years - 50, maybe a 100 - psychology/philosohpy books purchased and read - 2, maybe 3 (ok, maybe I exaggerate a little, but you get the point). I have read a lot of very good stuff in that time and this effect is at, or near the top. Everything seems justified and the effect 'feels' right...I have found that I connect - psychologically - to certain effects better than others and am convinced that my performance ability is predicated by how well an effect fits me at that level. Interestingly, even though I 'technically' can perform some routines/moves better than others, those are not always the ones that resonate with my audience. Again, I'm speaking from limited, recent performances...

But, what really got me to post was Andrew's question regarding the DVD. I emphatically concur with RNK and Jim above - I, for one, enjoy a good read and since I am not a full-time performer, I get tired of looking up DVD's to remind myself of the intricacies of a particular routine. I find myself making notes and cataloging all my effects....nothing wrong with DVD's, I just wish they all came with written instructions.

I just received the bonus PDF, but haven't had a chance to look through it yet...I like the original thinking so well I don't really want to clutter up my thinking...

Ryan
Message: Posted by: Martin Pulman (Aug 11, 2013 04:07PM)
I think there is much more chance of developing your own variation of an effect when you have learned it from a manuscript, so that would definitely be my preference. It would be nice, however, to have a private link to a video of either Andrew or Atlas performing the routine- if only for the sake of posterity!
Message: Posted by: geggy (Aug 11, 2013 04:17PM)
[quote]
On 2013-08-11 17:07, Martin Pulman wrote:
I think there is much more chance of developing your own variation of an effect when you have learned it from a manuscript, so that would definitely be my preference. It would be nice, however, to have a private link to a video of either Andrew or Atlas performing the routine- if only for the sake of posterity!
[/quote]

Totally agree, while I don't think an instructional DVD was necessary for this amazing routine, a link to a performance is always helpful, in that it gives you an instant feel and rapport with the words you are reading..
Message: Posted by: Nathaniel (Aug 11, 2013 04:18PM)
I support this idea, a private link to a performance video would be very nice!
Message: Posted by: Mark_Chandaue (Aug 11, 2013 04:27PM)
I definitely prefer it in manuscript form over a DVD. I'm dying to see the supplement also.

Mark
Message: Posted by: MatCult (Aug 12, 2013 06:13AM)
The new supplement to this is great. Lar's tweaked handling has some killer touches. Superb.
Message: Posted by: Mark_Chandaue (Aug 12, 2013 08:58AM)
Lars handling is fantastic.

Mark
Message: Posted by: Fin (Aug 12, 2013 03:33PM)
[quote]
On 2013-08-11 17:18, Nathaniel wrote:
I support this idea, a private link to a performance video would be very nice!
[/quote]

I would also really appreciate this. I think it would help me alot.
Message: Posted by: Lar (Aug 13, 2013 12:56PM)
Cheers MatCult and Fin, I'm glad you liked my handling. Suffice it to say if you play Poker and you perform this for your Poker friends you'll need to start looking for some new Poker friends :)

I'm thrilled that Atlas & Andrew included my handling. For me it's such an enjoyable piece to perform because it really engages the participants, has no setup, can use a borrowed deck, is completely baffling and has a killer ending.

By far this is the best effect I've purchased this year.

Best wishes,
Lar.
Message: Posted by: Steve Suss (Aug 13, 2013 04:27PM)
Lar, I finally had a chance to read your handling. I think it's great. You polished a great effect and made it even greater. Thanks for your contribution.
Steve
Message: Posted by: nique (Aug 13, 2013 08:37PM)
Lar's handling "High Anxiety" handling with the poker presentation is really excellent. Thanks for sharing Lar!

~ Nique
Message: Posted by: magicthree (Aug 15, 2013 07:07PM)
Most likely everyone who has read this thread has probably already purchased this but if not and your still on the fence about getting this, DON'T BE, GET THIS. I received the new supplement a few days ago and just read the Lars handling, haven't read further yet, and it is fantastic. Great job, Lars.
Message: Posted by: a brown 1968 (Aug 16, 2013 03:05AM)
For those who have Crusade, here is a quick additional handling if you want a quick card handling version . the trade off is it requires some sleight of hand .

Not time yet to write a premise or script but here is the handling

After spectator 1 has thought of her card .

Take the deck and do a table false cut . My recommendation would be the OSE three pile cut .

Pick up the deck ..

Do a DL leaving the card face up on top of the deck .. The spectators see say a JH ... Turn the double faced down and take what is thought to be the JH and insert it say 3 cards from the bottom of the deck you hold ..

Explain how you can wish a card to be in any position and as an example say the JH will rise to the top , Pause for a moment and turn over the top card.. It is the JH .

Turn the JH face down

The above has served two purposes , time misdirection from when the card and number are thought of and also the deck is now in position for the finale and set up in full view .

Hand the deck to the spectator who has the thought of the number .. Guide him through the OSE triple table cut . This provides symmetry to your own actions and also leaves the spectators thinking they have just given their deck a triple cut mixing the cards

As the spectator to name his number allowed .. He calls out 14 and deals down to the 14th card . The spectator who is thinking of the card calls out her card. She says 5S

She turns over the card she is holding and it is the 5S

This applies the Crusade principles in the more traditional ACAAN effect where the number and card are called out . With this version this is only done when the deck is in the spectators hands and not before and you do not touch the deck again .

Andrew
Message: Posted by: a brown 1968 (Aug 16, 2013 03:06AM)
Lar's

Your poker handling is exceptional , ideal for an audience who wish to see a gambling themed effect .

Andrew
Message: Posted by: Steve Suss (Aug 16, 2013 04:34PM)
Andrew, Maybe I'm missing something and I'd love to know what others think but for me you're taking a beautiful mental mystery and making it into a magic trick.
Steve
Message: Posted by: geggy (Aug 16, 2013 04:42PM)
[quote]
On 2013-08-16 17:34, Steve Suss wrote:
Andrew, Maybe I'm missing something and I'd love to know what others think but for me you're taking a beautiful mental mystery and making it into a magic trick.
Steve
[/quote]

Have to agree,
Over-complicating for what purpose...but we are all different...Thankfully
Message: Posted by: a brown 1968 (Aug 16, 2013 04:43PM)
Hello Steve ,

I fully understand what you are saying and I only ever use
Crusade in the original version I created .

This handling was to demonstrate that if a person was not
Happy with the mentalist premise and was use to the original
acaan , then Crusade could be adapted to fit their requirements .

Andrew
Message: Posted by: JanForster (Aug 16, 2013 04:50PM)
[quote]
On 2013-08-16 17:34, Steve Suss wrote:
Andrew, Maybe I'm missing something and I'd love to know what others think but for me you're taking a beautiful mental mystery and making it into a magic trick.
Steve
[/quote]

I couldn't agree more. But - also following the supplements - thinking about possibilities to incorporate a mem..zed and ma..ed deck could add at least something without changing the presentation or plot. Jan
Message: Posted by: Mark_Chandaue (Aug 16, 2013 05:17PM)
Personally I will use elements of Lars handling but keep the mind reading premise rather than the poker theme. I absolutely love this effect. I can't remember the last time a single effect got my juices flowing the way this one does.

Mark
Message: Posted by: Atlas (Aug 16, 2013 05:52PM)
Hello everyone! I thought I'd take a moment to thank all of you who have contributed to this thread in my absence. I also like a lot of touches that have been shared recently, and I think it illustrates that our community has a lot to offer one another. The fact that you get a lot of subsidiary ideas and presentational adjustments is one of the advantages of sharing something like this.

To address Steve's post above, there was never any question that this is a "Mind Reader's ACAAN". It has been billed as such from the start. However, unsurprisingly, many of the purchasers of this effect are card guys and not mind readers, and were drawn by all the great feedback that was posted here. In light of that, I believe that Andrew was contacted by some of them asking about presentations that did not have their basis in the premise of mind reading. Being the kind gentleman that Andrew is, and in an attempt to help address those requests, Andrew posted the above with the aim of offering them some ideas about how to alter the piece to fit their individual performance preferences.

As to the supplement, I am very pleased that everyone has enjoyed the additional ideas there!

Moving forward in this thread, I would be very interested in hearing feedback regarding the reception of the effect and I'm particularly curious to know if anyone is following this up as we recommended in the book itself. I've seen plenty of ecstatic feedback about The Crusade itself in performance, but I haven't heard a word about how it has been followed up in a set.

Again, thanks to everyone for making this release such a success!

Best,

Atlas
Message: Posted by: Lar (Aug 16, 2013 08:08PM)
I've been using 'Crusade' is my pre-closer.

My closer (and it's been my closer for a while) is [url=http://www.magicshop.co.uk/p3382/UP_THE_ANTE_-_by_Martyn_Smith_-_INSTANT_DOWNLOAD/product_info.html]'Up The Ante' by Martyn Smith.[/url]

I think UTA is brilliant. As the effect builds and the stakes get higher the impossibility of what is about to happen draws everyone in - they NEED to see what happens at the end. The conclusion is absolutely stunning and leaves people gobsmacked.

[i]I have some faux million dollar bills (and other denominations) which I use for the effect so that participants can place their bets. The million dollar bills have my contact details on which I then give away because I'm that generous :)[/i]

Using UTA after Crusade builds upon the gambling theme and it allows the the spectators to freely shuffle and handle the cards. A deck switch brings my UTA deck into play and because of all the shuffling in Crusade there is no question of a setup when I do UTA.

Cheers to Andrew & Atlas for their continued support for Crusade and my thanks to those who enjoyed 'High Anxiety'

Best wishes,
Lar.
Message: Posted by: Mark_Chandaue (Aug 16, 2013 08:13PM)
If I'm using my own deck I do a deck switch and follow it up with Richard Osterlinds Radar a Deck, after crusade and Radar deck they are convinced I can read minds, after that I will usually do a drawing dupe with PAC Stack and I will usually leave it there, if pushed then I will either do a CT or I may use telefoto combined with isobellas star to give a reading finishing with revealing their star sign and then their birth date. I will finish that off with Scott Cramms Day for any date effect Day One which leaves them with my business card, with the calendar from the month/year of their birth on the back. Then I'm done no matter how hard they push for more.

Mark
Message: Posted by: BatsMagic (Aug 20, 2013 03:22PM)
[quote]
On 2013-08-16 18:52, MagicAtlas wrote:

Moving forward in this thread............. I'm particularly curious to know if anyone is following this up as we recommended in the book itself. I've seen plenty of ecstatic feedback about The Crusade itself in performance, but I haven't heard a word about how it has been followed up in a set.

Best,

Atlas
[/quote]

I sprung for the extra $3 for the follow-up effect. Most of you here know the original trick since it's a classic of magic.

It's kind of similar to a version of the same thing that I have from Rich Ferguson on one of his "Mentalism" DVD's, but I would put it at a step above Ferguson's, which means that it's two steps above the original.

I tried the double shot once this past weekend, and the reaction to both tricks was very nice.

I might be committing heresy here by saying that I believe that the follow-up trick got a better reaction than "The Crusade".

:bat:
Message: Posted by: Atlas (Aug 20, 2013 04:17PM)
[quote]
I tried the double shot once this past weekend, and the reaction to both tricks was very nice.

I might be committing heresy here by saying that I believe that the follow-up trick got a better reaction than "The Crusade".

:bat:
[/quote]

That's not heresy at all. I've long contended that a proper routine is one in which each component part builds in synergy with the others until the overall effect becomes irresistible. With 'The Crusade', you are showing them what you are capable of. With the recommended follow up, you are showing the participants that they have the same inherent capacity, albeit at a more basic level (simply because they haven't trained themselves as you have).

As Ken Weber and Lee Earle have contended for a long time - people are interested in themselves above all, and when you close that set with a piece whose focus IS the participant, the reaction will be both entertaining and powerful. Each piece here leads naturally to the next, it gives you something to do with the talon, and both participants have the spotlight turned on to them. I like it a lot.

I have to admit to being interested in what Mark and Lars have shared regarding finishing their sets. Some of the effects there I am not familiar with and that will have to be remedied!

Best,

Atlas
Message: Posted by: BatsMagic (Aug 20, 2013 04:38PM)
Well said, Atlas!

The follow up, "Nu Way........", was greeted with some derision while I was performing for a small group of friends, especially when the pack was handed over to a female spectator to place the cards down herself (I always choose a woman to finish it off!). I added a few nuances that Ferguson teaches, combined with the JW Turnover (Addition Number 1 I already knew from Ferguson), and it was a very pretty thing. The woman who placed the final 16 or 20 cards down did nothing but laugh that "I can't believe what I just did" laugh. The cards were checked by two different people just to be sure that all of the ducks were in a row. They were.

Nice!

:bat:
Message: Posted by: Mark_Chandaue (Aug 20, 2013 05:14PM)
I love the radar deck as a follow up when using my own deck. With the crusade you read two minds in a very fair manner, almost under test conditions, then with Richard Osterlinds radar deck you increase that to naming four peoples thought of cards one after the other quick fire and even name the card somebody thought of before changing their mind. Paul Carnazzo's PAC stack is about the cleanest most deceptive close up drawing dupe going. If people don't believe you can really read minds after that demonstration then you need to quit mentalism and take up knitting.

Mark
Message: Posted by: magicman29 (Aug 28, 2013 10:56AM)
Going back to the barrie Richardson acaan question....I loved barrie's acaan, I used perform it anytime I could! But the deeper I got into mentalism the more I was thinking it just comes across as a 'card trick' while the rest of the stuff I performed was "the real deal" so I stopped performing it and started looking for an acaan version to fit my style.
Then I was talking to atlas one day who told me about this new accan version that himself and Andrew would be releasing very soon, just from the brief description I knew this was the one I was looking for!
I have a couple of friends that think they know everything so when I perform ANYTHING they always try to work out how I did it but with the crusade they didn't even try to work out how it was done and that to me is a really hard hitting effect!
I really can't praise this enough, defo one of my best purchases ever!

Kieran
Message: Posted by: magicman29 (Aug 28, 2013 11:37AM)
I also would like to see a performance clip of the crusade, just to see if anyone can perform it as good as me! ;)

Kieran
Message: Posted by: a brown 1968 (Aug 28, 2013 11:50AM)
Hi Kieran

Thank you for summing up so well the nature of Crusade .. To entertain and baffle know it all friends is a goal for any effect but to remove the desire for the friends to work out the method puts an effect on another level .

One day I may bump into you at a convention in England and I can watch your performance of Crusade.

Andrew
Message: Posted by: Jordanogrady (Aug 28, 2013 04:27PM)
I've been reading about this for a while now, the 1 and only reason I havnt purchased this is because its a book format, if it was on DVD I would have purchased this by now with all the reviews... its just my personal preferance, I'm shocking at learning from books, its never interested me learning from books, I like visual learning :)

Call me lazy :)
Message: Posted by: Magicsquared (Aug 28, 2013 04:30PM)
There aren't really "moves" to this effect. It's more of a procedure you follow. So it's very easy to learn it in written format. I would think it's even easier than watching it done to be honest.
Message: Posted by: magicman29 (Aug 28, 2013 04:33PM)
Trust me Jordan if I can learn it anyone can!

Kieran
Message: Posted by: magicman29 (Aug 28, 2013 04:33PM)
Trust me Jordan if I can learn it anyone can!

Kieran
Message: Posted by: Jordanogrady (Aug 28, 2013 04:34PM)
[quote]
On 2013-08-28 17:33, magicman29 wrote:
Trust me Jordan if I can learn it anyone can!

Kieran
[/quote]

Im not saying it wont be worth it, it probably will be, I just prefer DVD's that's all.
Message: Posted by: rasp (Aug 28, 2013 04:37PM)
Jordan it is a fantastic routine........... Buy it you will not be disappointed !!!
Message: Posted by: Jordanogrady (Aug 28, 2013 04:43PM)
Where is the link? I cant find it?
Message: Posted by: doriancaudal (Aug 29, 2013 01:19AM)
[quote]
On 2013-08-28 17:27, Jordanogrady wrote:
I've been reading about this for a while now, the 1 and only reason I havnt purchased this is because its a book format, if it was on DVD I would have purchased this by now with all the reviews... its just my personal preferance, I'm shocking at learning from books, its never interested me learning from books, I like visual learning :)

Call me lazy :)
[/quote]

That is exactly why some of the best secrets in magic are kept on books... Hopefully, to keep away the lazy DVD-youtube ones ;)
Message: Posted by: reignofsound (Aug 29, 2013 03:05AM)
Where can I buy this?
Message: Posted by: GordonTheHypnotist (Aug 29, 2013 03:35AM)
[quote]
On 2013-08-29 04:05, reignofsound wrote:
Where can I buy this?
[/quote]

http://www.atlasmentalism.com/AtlasProductsCatalog.html
Message: Posted by: reignofsound (Aug 29, 2013 04:35AM)
Thanks!
Message: Posted by: reignofsound (Aug 29, 2013 07:57AM)
This is great!
Looking forward to learning the scripting and getting this down
Message: Posted by: Fin (Aug 29, 2013 01:46PM)
If anyone has filmed themselves performing this please pm me a link. I have bought the effect but not performed it yet. I'm very interested in how others are presenting this.
Thanks
Message: Posted by: Jordanogrady (Aug 29, 2013 02:17PM)
[quote]
On 2013-08-29 02:19, doriancaudal wrote:
[quote]
On 2013-08-28 17:27, Jordanogrady wrote:
I've been reading about this for a while now, the 1 and only reason I havnt purchased this is because its a book format, if it was on DVD I would have purchased this by now with all the reviews... its just my personal preferance, I'm shocking at learning from books, its never interested me learning from books, I like visual learning :)

Call me lazy :)
[/quote]



That is exactly why some of the best secrets in magic are kept on books... Hopefully, to keep away the lazy DVD-youtube ones ;)
[/quote]

Oooh, not youtube, I'm not a youtube magician.... more of a DVD kinda guy :)

Yeah, people say that the best magic is in books, but ive been performing for quite some time now, and nothing has come from a book :)
Message: Posted by: magicman29 (Aug 29, 2013 02:27PM)
Your reading the wrong books.....

Kieran
Message: Posted by: Olympic Adam (Aug 29, 2013 02:32PM)
[quote]
On 2013-08-29 15:17, Jordanogrady wrote:
Yeah, people say that the best magic is in books, but ive been performing for quite some time now, and nothing has come from a book :)
[/quote]

have you been reading books?
Message: Posted by: Jordanogrady (Aug 29, 2013 02:52PM)
[quote]
On 2013-08-29 15:32, Olympic Adam wrote:
[quote]
On 2013-08-29 15:17, Jordanogrady wrote:
Yeah, people say that the best magic is in books, but ive been performing for quite some time now, and nothing has come from a book :)
[/quote]

have you been reading books?
[/quote]

Nope.
Message: Posted by: Jordanogrady (Aug 29, 2013 02:53PM)
[quote]
On 2013-08-29 15:27, magicman29 wrote:
Your reading the wrong books.....

Kieran
[/quote]

Probably so, but I purchased the sessions written by Joshua jay, that was supposed to
Be a good read, but I havnt finished it.
Message: Posted by: Olympic Adam (Aug 29, 2013 03:13PM)
[quote]
On 2013-08-29 15:53, Jordanogrady wrote:
Probably so, but I purchased the sessions written by Joshua jay, that was supposed to
Be a good read, but I havnt finished it.
[/quote]

ok
Message: Posted by: Olympic Adam (Aug 29, 2013 03:54PM)
I was on a plane recently and I read a whole book
Message: Posted by: Jordanogrady (Aug 29, 2013 04:21PM)
[quote]
On 2013-08-29 16:54, Olympic Adam wrote:
I was on a plane recently and I read a whole book
[/quote]
I just find them boring, and hard to learn from.... Each to their own I suppose.
People say that I havnt found the right book.... but the people saying it usually read loads of books....
I have tried, just stuff doesn't sink in, my mind does over time....

So, back on the plot, this would be good (for me) and I'm sure others would benifit from it too, if this was on DVD, or even private youtube clip of some sort...

Jordan
Message: Posted by: BatsMagic (Aug 29, 2013 04:23PM)
Jonathan Livingston Seagull, Adam?

I read that in one math class many years ago.

I should have paid attention to the math.

:bat:
Message: Posted by: Fin (Aug 29, 2013 04:31PM)
[quote]
On 2013-08-29 17:21, Jordanogrady wrote:

I just find them boring, and hard to learn from.... Each to their own I suppose.
[/quote]

Good god is this kid/guy for real?! My desired response to this makes me feel kinda old and I'm already balding significantly, so at the ripe young age of 33 I think I'm gonna hold my tongue.
Message: Posted by: geggy (Aug 29, 2013 04:32PM)
[quote]
On 2013-08-29 17:21, Jordanogrady wrote:
[quote]
On 2013-08-29 16:54, Olympic Adam wrote:
I was on a plane recently and I read a whole book
[/quote]
I just find them boring, and hard to learn from.... Each to their own I suppose.
People say that I havnt found the right book.... but the people saying it usually read loads of books....
I have tried, just stuff doesn't sink in, my mind does over time....

So, back on the plot, this would be good (for me) and I'm sure others would benifit from it too, if this was on DVD, or even private youtube clip of some sort...

Jordan
[/quote]

Hi Jordan,
Im with you on the book debate, sure they may be great, but Sometimes its hard to get a feel for the tricks being explained.
HOWEVER, I have the Crusade and can only say that this is very easy to learn and 90% of the learning is just getting the presentation right...this is an amazing routine......just get it...read it...and have fun doing it..........You wont regret it...Gerry
Message: Posted by: reignofsound (Aug 29, 2013 04:33PM)
[quote]
On 2013-08-29 17:21, Jordanogrady wrote:
[quote]
On 2013-08-29 16:54, Olympic Adam wrote:
I was on a plane recently and I read a whole book
[/quote]
I just find them boring, and hard to learn from.... Each to their own I suppose.
People say that I havnt found the right book.... but the people saying it usually read loads of books....
I have tried, just stuff doesn't sink in, my mind does over time....

So, back on the plot, this would be good (for me) and I'm sure others would benifit from it too, if this was on DVD, or even private youtube clip of some sort...

Jordan
[/quote]

The trick is great.
Just buy it, PDF is only 44 pages long and not hard to follow at all.
Stop whining about a DVD as obviously it is not going to happen.
Message: Posted by: reignofsound (Aug 29, 2013 04:34PM)
Duplicate
Message: Posted by: Olympic Adam (Aug 29, 2013 04:37PM)
[quote]
On 2013-08-29 17:23, BatsMagic wrote:
Jonathan Livingston Seagull, Adam?
[/quote]

no it wasn't, maybe next time ;)

I read a lot of books and watch a lot of DVDs, it doesn't have to be boring

Anyway, I doubt many others would have such a strong need for this to be in a DVD, it's fine on paper really

and as some would say, leave the stuff in books because it keeps those who can't be bothered away from them! (not necessarily my opinion of course :carrot:)
Message: Posted by: BatsMagic (Aug 29, 2013 04:37PM)
What needs to be done here only takes up about 2 of the 43 pages.

Everything else is basically presentational nuances. Reading it is better and easier than rewinding a DVD. You can spend as much time as you need on whatever you need to without any hassles.

I took it into the park one day and sat there reading it, with a nice water view, under the shade of a tree.

Can't get much better than that!

:bat:
Message: Posted by: Jordanogrady (Aug 29, 2013 04:39PM)
[quote]
On 2013-08-29 17:31, Fin wrote:
[quote]
On 2013-08-29 17:21, Jordanogrady wrote:

I just find them boring, and hard to learn from.... Each to their own I suppose.
[/quote]

Good god is this kid/guy for real?! My desired response to this makes me feel kinda old and I'm already balding significantly, so at the ripe young age of 33 I think I'm gonna hold my tongue.
[/quote]
very real mate, I'm 31, have a great job, and earn a great income from magic... feel free to check my site out http://www.a1magic.co.uk

Just because books arnt for everyone, its not the end of the world you know! Old lad! :)
Message: Posted by: Jordanogrady (Aug 29, 2013 04:41PM)
[quote]
On 2013-08-29 17:32, geggy wrote:
[quote]
On 2013-08-29 17:21, Jordanogrady wrote:
[quote]
On 2013-08-29 16:54, Olympic Adam wrote:
I was on a plane recently and I read a whole book
[/quote]
I just find them boring, and hard to learn from.... Each to their own I suppose.
People say that I havnt found the right book.... but the people saying it usually read loads of books....
I have tried, just stuff doesn't sink in, my mind does over time....

So, back on the plot, this would be good (for me) and I'm sure others would benifit from it too, if this was on DVD, or even private youtube clip of some sort...

Jordan
[/quote]

Hi Jordan,
Im with you on the book debate, sure they may be great, but Sometimes its hard to get a feel for the tricks being explained.
HOWEVER, I have the Crusade and can only say that this is very easy to learn and 90% of the learning is just getting the presentation right...this is an amazing routine......just get it...read it...and have fun doing it..........You wont regret it...Gerry
[/quote]

Yeah, I will be buying it, so cheers for that... I only started the book/DVD debate because I'm no good at learning from books....
Message: Posted by: Jordanogrady (Aug 29, 2013 04:46PM)
[quote]
On 2013-08-29 17:33, reignofsound wrote:
[quote]
On 2013-08-29 17:21, Jordanogrady wrote:
[quote]
On 2013-08-29 16:54, Olympic Adam wrote:
I was on a plane recently and I read a whole book
[/quote]
I just find them boring, and hard to learn from.... Each to their own I suppose.
People say that I havnt found the right book.... but the people saying it usually read loads of books....
I have tried, just stuff doesn't sink in, my mind does over time....

So, back on the plot, this would be good (for me) and I'm sure others would benifit from it too, if this was on DVD, or even private youtube clip of some sort...

Jordan
[/quote]

Stop whining about a DVD as obviously it is not going to happen.
[/quote]
Not whining at all.... and you never know, there could be a DVD release one day, once the PDF's stop selling..

Jordan
Message: Posted by: Jordanogrady (Aug 29, 2013 04:59PM)
Purchased!
Message: Posted by: geggy (Aug 29, 2013 05:07PM)
[quote]
On 2013-08-29 17:59, Jordanogrady wrote:
Purchased!
[/quote]

You sucker.......its rubbish really...............Joke!!
Message: Posted by: Jordanogrady (Aug 29, 2013 05:09PM)
[quote]
On 2013-08-29 18:07, geggy wrote:
[quote]
On 2013-08-29 17:59, Jordanogrady wrote:
Purchased!
[/quote]

You sucker.......its rubbish really...............Joke!!
[/quote]
haha I was waiting for something along those lines! haha
Message: Posted by: geggy (Aug 29, 2013 05:10PM)
Lol.........its fantastic......enjoy..
Message: Posted by: IAIN (Aug 29, 2013 05:12PM)
I bought it this evening... I do like it, but I've changed the handling to eliminate a part of it, mainly cos I know how I'll be presenting it...if you take the notion (from bob cassidy) that there are similarities between a deck of cards and the earth's cycle/calendar, then when the two people make their choices right at the start, they are metaphorically grabbing at the future weeks to come...so then the idea of fate comes into play, and how maybe two people were meant to meet, even if its just for a single moment to share an experience or two...

will be giving it a test drive next week...
Message: Posted by: magicthree (Aug 29, 2013 06:42PM)
Did the Lars version for the wife and daughter and they loved it and most of all fooled by it. I use the poker theme of watching for tells as they deal the cards.
Message: Posted by: Fin (Aug 29, 2013 06:44PM)
[quote]
On 2013-08-29 17:39, Jordanogrady wrote:
[quote]
On 2013-08-29 17:31, Fin wrote:
[quote]
On 2013-08-29 17:21, Jordanogrady wrote:

I just find them boring, and hard to learn from.... Each to their own I suppose.
[/quote]

Good god is this kid/guy for real?! My desired response to this makes me feel kinda old and I'm already balding significantly, so at the ripe young age of 33 I think I'm gonna hold my tongue.
[/quote]
very real mate, I'm 31, have a great job, and earn a great income from magic... feel free to check my site out http://www.a1magic.co.uk

Just because books arnt for everyone, its not the end of the world you know! Old lad! :)
[/quote]

Well said. No offense meant, and your website looks very smart :)

I've been re-reading this tonight and must echo other people's positive comments about Lar's handling. It is a wonderful variation.
Message: Posted by: Jordanogrady (Aug 30, 2013 02:16AM)
[quote]
On 2013-08-29 19:44, Fin wrote:
[quote]
On 2013-08-29 17:39, Jordanogrady wrote:
[quote]
On 2013-08-29 17:31, Fin wrote:
[quote]
On 2013-08-29 17:21, Jordanogrady wrote:

I just find them boring, and hard to learn from.... Each to their own I suppose.
[/quote]

Good god is this kid/guy for real?! My desired response to this makes me feel kinda old and I'm already balding significantly, so at the ripe young age of 33 I think I'm gonna hold my tongue.
[/quote]
very real mate, I'm 31, have a great job, and earn a great income from magic... feel free to check my site out http://www.a1magic.co.uk

Just because books arnt for everyone, its not the end of the world you know! Old lad! :)
[/quote]

Well said. No offense meant, and your website looks very smart :)

I've been re-reading this tonight and must echo other people's positive comments about Lar's handling. It is a wonderful variation.
[/quote]
None taken. I do totally appreciate how it looks :) a newbie (although been around since 2006) says he doesn't learn from books :) sounds nuts!

Anyhow, I'm on page 17 so check me out :)
Message: Posted by: AutarchicFlux (Aug 30, 2013 11:46AM)
Yikes. Am I the only one who bought this and thinks it looks [i][b]awful[/i][/b]? The scowl on my face grew and grew as I read through "The Effect" section of the PDF, as I figured out the method after only a few paragraphs. I'll say that again - I figured out the method simply by seeing where the description of the presentation was going. I have never encountered this particular method before, but I found it glaringly obvious from the outset, and saw as I finished reading "the effect" that I was correct in my initial assumption.

This routine takes a direct, straightforward demonstration of serendipity/mindreading and reduces it to a tiresome, clunky, highly involved procedure that involves counting cards, "randomizing" the numbers thought of, re-counting, re-counting again, et cetera. It is by far the most cluttered, and the most terminally boring routine I have been sold as a "stunner" in the entirety of my magic career. I would never dream of performing this, as it's both a snoozefest and dead simple for any astute observer to work out. I have no desire to try to make such a bad trick work by padding it out with even [i]more[/i] involved presentational fluff. I perform for highly critical audiences of friends, and there's no way they'd stand for that. I get strong reactions from my ACAAN - a deck is produced, a card and a number are named, the named card is at the named number. Bam. No clutter, no chance for the audience to reconstruct the effect.

If only there was the possibility of a refund for this sort of thing. Can I get my money back if I decided to delete the PDF before I even got to the section officially revealing the method? :-p
Message: Posted by: magicman29 (Aug 30, 2013 01:39PM)
Im sure all of us can't be wrong about the crusade! For hard hitting effects you sometimes need to put in the effort to make it truely mind blowing but if you don't want to put the effort in then there's not much else I can say.....

Kieran
Message: Posted by: Mark_Chandaue (Aug 30, 2013 02:25PM)
I have lost count of the number of times I have performed this and it never fails to get a strong reaction. My guess is AutarchicFlux is a magician rather than a mentalist. I'm not sure this presentation would have suited me before I became a serious mentalist.

Mark
Message: Posted by: geggy (Aug 30, 2013 02:31PM)
Gobsmacked, by Fluxes take on this....I was gobsmacked when I ran thru this, and fail to see how any laymen, astute or anywhere near astute could backtrack on this. One lone negative in a sea of positivity, good on you for your honest opinion tho..
Message: Posted by: AutarchicFlux (Aug 30, 2013 02:43PM)
My apologies if my post seemed excessively venomous or unfair to The Crusade. Atlas seems like a consummate magician and businessman, and I don't intend to disparage him personally or discredit magicians who would perform this effect. Perhaps it's a failure of imagination on my part, or an inability to step back into the mindset of a layperson. Truth is, I perform for the same group of 15-20 spectators so often, it may be the case that they no longer qualify as legitimate "laypeople," so I have lost touch with what it means to perform for a normal audience.

In any case, I wish you and Atlas all the best. But if you're like me and you want an effect that hits hard and fast, and will fool astute/half-smart spectators, you should be warned about the heavily procedural nature of this trick.
Message: Posted by: geggy (Aug 30, 2013 02:52PM)
The procedure is the trick, nothing spoken, nothing written, nothing indicated, you are attempting to read people and at the climax this is what you achieve, every action is justified within this script,I really feel you are missing out by passing this over, each to his own I suppose..
Message: Posted by: captainsmiffy (Aug 30, 2013 03:00PM)
My thanks, Lar, to an earlier post in which you extolled the virtues of my Up The Ante when you used it in conjunction with Crusade! I never thought that I would see something of my own work in a thread about Crusade! Am loving Crusade BTW....have had some stunned audiences with this.....
Message: Posted by: Fin (Aug 30, 2013 03:04PM)
A "highly involved procedure" is not the way I would characterise this, not by a long way. Depending which handling you go for the "procedure" can vary significantly and feels completely justified due to its perfect coupling with the various patter options. Some people aren't fans of tricks that require this sort of approach, but that does not make the tricks bad, or their fans stupid. Many people have clearly had great success with this method, using a variety of quite differing handlings and patter. There are times for quick, methods and presentations like "name a card and a number, now LOOK.. aren't I amazing", and then there are times when a little bit more involved presentation, and a little bit more audience involvement is welcome, a-la Crusade. Just my opinion :)
Message: Posted by: IAIN (Aug 30, 2013 03:08PM)
I don't mind admitting, that I too found that its a little too long to suit me... so I altered the handling a bit, omitted a section and changed the presentation to suit me...but I'm pleased I got it, cos the guts of it is a very nice effect...

if we all agreed on everything, it would be boring! and to be fair, the guy did apologise for coming across a little too harsh...
Message: Posted by: IAIN (Aug 30, 2013 03:10PM)
AutarchicFlux - I've pm'd you my change to it, cos it might be helpful...(might not! you might hate that too!)
Message: Posted by: magicman29 (Aug 30, 2013 03:25PM)
Iain if you would be so kind to also send me your handling of this effect, would like to read it! :)

Kieran
Message: Posted by: Lar (Aug 30, 2013 03:32PM)
AutarchicFlux,

When I first read Crusade I knew I wouldn't perform it as written, I never do.

Even so I knew that 'Crusade' was an effect worth taking some time to work on because I could easily envisage myself performing Crusade albeit as a shorter effect with a different premise and presentation, one that was more ME.

I never perceived Crusade as an ACAAN type effect even though that's what Atlas and Andrew saw it as.

I always saw it as a TOCATON type effect (acronym alert!!) - Thought of Card At Thought of Number.

(Full disclosure: TOCATON for those familiar with Transformers Lore is Megatron's suspiciously sneaky 2nd cousin)

Imagine this. A card isn't even named, it's just thought of. A number isn't named, it's just just thought of. Despite that, the unnamed card ends up being at the unnamed number. That's a powerful effect.

Yes, there is a process involved to arrive at a Thought of Card and a Thought of Number. It's all a matter of having a process that is logical, meaningful, engaging and which makes sense in the context of your presentation as well as disguising the underlying method.

Before you throw away your sword and leave the Crusade take a peek at the supplement for Crusade. You have handlings from Greg Arce, Michael Murray and myself which may be more your cup of tea. If you want to bounce around any ideas or concerns feel free to PM me.

I've performed my handling for Crusade loads of times since it's release simply because I love performing it. No-one has a clue how it is done and the reaction at the end when the face down card is turned over and it is the thought of card are absolutely priceless.

[quote]
On 2013-08-30 16:00, captainsmiffy wrote:
My thanks, Lar, to an earlier post in which you extolled the virtues of my Up The Ante when you used it in conjunction with Crusade! I never thought that I would see something of my own work in a thread about Crusade! Am loving Crusade BTW....have had some stunned audiences with this.....
[/quote]

My pleasure Martyn. 'Up The Ante' is a super effect, particularly as a closer to any gambling themed set.

Best wishes,
Lar.
Message: Posted by: Your Thinking Cap (Aug 30, 2013 08:15PM)
I purchased The Crusade tonight and have to say that it is simply genius. It is is a perfect combination of method, effect, and meaning.
Message: Posted by: J-Mac (Aug 30, 2013 09:02PM)
[quote]
On 2013-08-30 15:25, Mark_Chandaue wrote:
I have lost count of the number of times I have performed this and it never fails to get a strong reaction. My guess is AutarchicFlux is a magician rather than a mentalist. I'm not sure this presentation would have suited me before I became a serious mentalist.

Mark
[/quote]

Mark,

I am a magician and not a mentalist, yet I purchased The Crusade and I perform it exactly as written. And it rocks! Believe me, it doesn’t necessarily take a mentalist - or a mentalist's mindset for that matter - to perform The Crusade successfully.

I do perform some of what I guess is considered mental magic; I have performed Reflections (and Kioku, which is also contained within Reflections), and effects such as Pocket Space Plus, Seven by Bryn Reynolds, etc. I do not perform professionally and so oftentimes my spectators are people that know me to some extent. And it is difficult, if not impossible, to convince acquaintances that you now have mental powers beyond what you have ever shown in the past! So no mentalism in the purer sense; it just wouldn’t work well with my audiences.

Now The Crusade is a different animal IMO. It indicates that something is going on while not outright declaring myself as having special mental powers. That can and does go over well. The patter alone puts everyone at ease if they had any misgivings. I agree with some that the routine is a bit long, but I want to get completely comfortable with it as written before altering the routine to shorten it.

@ AutarchicFlux:

Yes, the routine is fairly long as written but that is purely to separate certain actions so as to avoid deconstruction by the spectators. The routine could be extremely short but then it would also be somewhat transparent. The patter supplied is ideally suited to keep the method secret. It is incredibly deceptive and well-thought out in my opinion. Which is a main reason why I won't try to shorten the routine as I perform it until I am comfortable enough to know I am still masking what I need to mask. (Hopefully that makes sense to someone!) All the reviews in this thread can't be wrong! When a routine is getting this many raves from members here who have purchased it and are performing it, (as opposed to the often-seen pump-up reviews during pre-order periods) then you have to wonder why it makes no sense to you. Either you are not seeing the extremely clever scripting for what it is, or it is also possibly that it is just not the kind of routine that you are comfortable doing. (I come across a lot that are like that to me).

Anyway, sorry for the long-winded post. A very big "Thank you!" to Andrew, Atlas, Lars, and others who have shared many valuable tips and ideas!

Jim
Message: Posted by: geggy (Aug 31, 2013 05:05AM)
Nice one J-Mac.. agree totally..
Message: Posted by: Mark_Chandaue (Aug 31, 2013 06:44AM)
[quote]
On 2013-08-30 22:02, J-Mac wrote:
[quote]
On 2013-08-30 15:25, Mark_Chandaue wrote:
I have lost count of the number of times I have performed this and it never fails to get a strong reaction. My guess is AutarchicFlux is a magician rather than a mentalist. I'm not sure this presentation would have suited me before I became a serious mentalist.

Mark
[/quote]
Mark,

I am a magician and not a mentalist, yet I purchased The Crusade and I perform it exactly as written. And it rocks! Believe me, it doesn’t necessarily take a mentalist - or a mentalist's mindset for that matter - to perform The Crusade successfully.[/quote]
Jim,
I didn't mean to imply that magicians wouldn't like this effect, rather that it is more geared towards mentalists. Sweeping generalisation alert ..... Mentalism more commonly relies on good scripting and atmosphere and premise setting while magic is often more visual and quick fire, a wave of the hand and the card visually changes, a snap of the fingers and the coin is gone etc.

Mentalists of course do sometimes do quick fire effects but generally speaking many mentalism effects rely on creating test conditions through procedures, and atmosphere setting via a good script. As such someone commenting that the standard ACAAN (where both the card and number have to be named out loud and the card is already at that position) is a more direct demonstration of mind reading than this procedure heavy version is more likely to be a magician than a mentalist.

From the perspective of a mentalist the fact that neither the card or the number are ever known to anyone but the spectators themselves is a big plus, the scripting makes complete sense of the procedure and so the merits of this effect immediately stand out and then it is just a case of moulding it to fit your individual style.

Mark
Message: Posted by: MBrook3902 (Aug 31, 2013 10:11AM)
I, too, as a magician love the effect. And whether you're a "magician" or a "mentalist" this effect provides a very magical moment for your spectators. There's no way they can back track to how this is done. And in the end, isn't that what we are all after? Magician or Mentalist alike. I have also performed mental magical effects to include a tossed out deck, a Russian Roulette effect (Scott Alexander's Shattered), I'm currently working on GLANCE (with Mark's small word pump), TIMELESS (with Saybolds additions) is next, and I've got MIB ordered.
Crusade may not suit everyone's performing style. So be it. But it is a great effect.

Millard Brooks/Billy Ray the Trailer Trash Magician
Message: Posted by: IAIN (Sep 4, 2013 07:22AM)
Just a note to purchasers/readers of this thread, please stop randomly PMing me asking for my streamlined handling, as I've got no way of verifying whether you own a copy, AND more importantly - I didn't say you could contact me for a freebie! I sent mine to keiran cos I know him in real-life...

plus, if you read the istructions fully in the crusade pdf, you kinda get told an important piece of info that tells you near enough what I've done anyways...
Message: Posted by: stevenfullman (Sep 4, 2013 03:35PM)
So. . .three questions before I buy. . .

1) Does the patter direct the spec(s) to a specific forced card? e.g. 3C

2) . . .or can the predicted card change with each performance?

3) Approx. how long does the original patter take on average? 5 minutes? 10? 30?

Sounds brill, but I haven't seen these questions asked or answered!

Best wishes,
Steve
Message: Posted by: a brown 1968 (Sep 4, 2013 03:51PM)
Hello Steve

To answer your questions

1) the script does not guide the spectator to a specific card

2) if you performed crusade 10 times .. Then other than by pure luck
The card will be different each time as would the number .

The performer has no influence on either card or number .

3) depending on your style of presentation the original version
Is around the 5 minute mark . The variations can make the effect take less time

Andrew
Message: Posted by: stevenfullman (Sep 4, 2013 05:11PM)
Hi Andrew,

Many thanks for your swift and comprehensive answer. Especially since I'm a relative newbie to this forum.

That says 'professional' to me!

Therefore, I'm in. I'm gonna shoot over to purchase 'The Crusade' right now :)

Cheers,
Steve
Message: Posted by: stevenfullman (Sep 4, 2013 06:24PM)
Paid and received an "instant download" (aka "awesome instant gratification moment" -- great job on the immediate product fulfilment Andrew & Atlas!!!!!)

Gut reaction. . .

Genius effect. It's almost a pure sleight of spiel.

It'll take me a few days to digest the psychological nuances*, but this will slay my prospective audience.

(* for the non-purchaser, it won't take YOU days to digest the psychological nuances. . .simply follow the excellent word-for-word script! It will work straight out of the box. I just happen to be a psych 'nerd', and as such want to take the time to understand WHY the dialog is so compelling, and how I can bend the wording to fit my speech patterns blah blah, pretentious, pretentious (moi?)).

10/10 so far. The Crusade would be great value at triple the price. I can't wait to perform this beauty, because it can't fail. . .or fail to amaze.

Thank you Andrew. Thank you Atlas.

Steve
Message: Posted by: a brown 1968 (Sep 14, 2013 03:14AM)
Hi Steve

Sorry for not responding sooner ..

Triple the price would be great for the bank balance and in the mentalism world effects do appear to have a premium compared to magic effects but I thought setting
a price that high with no demo , no previous track record of published work out of the question .

Looking at all the feedback , I think we set the price at just the right level . Too high for the curious but value for money to those who perform it on a regular basis.

Enjoy the reactions from Crusade Steve ..

Andrew
Message: Posted by: Jerskin (Sep 14, 2013 02:48PM)
I can't believe people are excited about this. There goes $27 I'll never see again.
Message: Posted by: Magic.Maddy (Sep 14, 2013 03:49PM)
[quote]
On 2013-09-14 15:48, Jerskin wrote:
I can't believe people are excited about this. There goes $27 I'll never see again.
[/quote]

Um... Are you saying you didn't like it and thought it was a waste of money?
Message: Posted by: Gourmet (Sep 14, 2013 04:20PM)
Well, you can't please them all :)
Message: Posted by: rasp (Sep 14, 2013 04:25PM)
Jerskin....... I can't believe your not excited about this!!! It was money well spent.
Message: Posted by: Lar (Sep 14, 2013 05:40PM)
[quote]
On 2013-09-14 15:48, Jerskin wrote:
I can't believe people are excited about this. There goes $27 I'll never see again.
[/quote]

I've been disappointed with some of my purchases too Jerskin (haven't we all) although Crusade has been a welcome exception for me.

There are plenty of comments from people in this thread that have purchased Crusade in which they mention specifically WHY they are 'excited' about Crusade and like the effect.

I expect that you took the time to read other peoples thoughts on Crusade and on that basis were 'excited' enough to purchase the effect.

I'm wondering what aspects of Crusade prompted you to purchase the effect but failed to meet your expectations?

Regards,
Lar.
Message: Posted by: reignofsound (Sep 15, 2013 11:56AM)
Finally performed this last night and got a great reaction.
After the card is revealed just shock as the card is never named out loud 😃
Message: Posted by: Fin (Sep 15, 2013 07:25PM)
Frankly, people who don't pay this manuscript the attention it deserves, and who don't read it thoroughly enough to spot its incredible potential, and people who don't even try it... they deserve the disappointment they get. It doesn't take a genius to see what we have here, but some just can't seem to work it out. Try reading it, then actually THINKING about it for a bit before making your judgements.. I dare you. Here's an idea.. Actually perform it (properly) and see how it plays.

I tried this trick for the first time on my colleague at work a few days ago. This guy is my confidant in magic; I've let him in on many secrets and discussed tricks and techniques with him. He has seen it all. And yet this COMPLETELY FLOORED HIM. He said it was the "charlier" which wiped out all explanations for him. It just all seemed so *** FAIR! If you haven't got the brain-power to look seriously at this from a spectators point of view.. If you are so absorbed in yourself that you can't see how FAIR, JUSTIFIED, and INCREDIBLY BAFFLING this is to a spectator, then ah well, have a nice life! This is one of the easiest, most solid miracles one can perform with a shuffled deck. All you have to do is read the manuscript several times, CAREFULLY. Life is tough Jerskin, I know. But you CAN do it!
Message: Posted by: J-Mac (Sep 15, 2013 11:23PM)
Fin, before you get all bent out of shape over this, remember: Some folks don’t like chocolate! Some people don’t like to dance! Some folks don’t like magic! And some - for reasons I will never understand! - don’t even like Otis Redding!!!

I love The Crusade, but it doesn’t follow that everyone else then must love it also.

Take care.

Jim
Message: Posted by: Steve Suss (Sep 16, 2013 12:23PM)
[quote]
On 2013-09-16 00:23, J-Mac wrote:
Fin, before you get all bent out of shape over this, remember: Some folks don’t like chocolate! Some people don’t like to dance! Some folks don’t like magic! And some - for reasons I will never understand! - don’t even like Otis Redding!!!

I love The Crusade, but it doesn’t follow that everyone else then must love it also.

Take care.

Jim
[/quote]Jim, great post except I'm not so sure there are people who don't like chocolate. LOL
Message: Posted by: a brown 1968 (Sep 18, 2013 02:59AM)
Steve ,

Sorry to burst your bubble but I hate white chocolate !! Yuck .

Then again I don't buy it because it says on the wrapper "White chocolate " :)

Andrew
Message: Posted by: Atlas (Sep 18, 2013 10:57AM)
Thanks very much for all the kind words everyone - I'm very grateful that this has been so well received and appreciate all the good ideas that have been subsequently shared. I do want to let everyone know that between the 26th and the 28th of this month, I will be moving from the US to the UK and will have patchy internet service at best. So if anyone needs anything from me, please be patient and I will get back to you as quickly as I can.

And Andrew, how can you dislike white chocolate?? Sometimes I feel like I don't know you at all! :)

Best,

Atlas
Message: Posted by: John Nesbit (Sep 24, 2013 01:04AM)
Chocolates aside, the application and presentational ideas growing out of this premise has potential beyond what has been put forth in the excellent writings and posts thus so far. This deserves much further discussion and development even though the original release of this effect has been thought out so well and creatively. Principles such as this one become the foundation for great stories covering many genres of the magic and entertainment world. Let this be a new challenge to all fertile minds and creators of the mysterious.
Message: Posted by: Silver Glove Magic (Oct 4, 2013 11:14PM)
This reads out to be a superb effect, that I plan on getting in the next few days. Glad I was able to find the thread that lead me here.
Message: Posted by: Magic.Maddy (Oct 4, 2013 11:33PM)
[quote]
On 2013-10-05 00:14, Silver Glove Magic wrote:
This reads out to be a superb effect, that I plan on getting in the next few days. Glad I was able to find the thread that lead me here.
[/quote]

You won't be disappointed.

And plus Atlas is a fantastic guy and has continually helped me out. He's a really fantastic man.
Message: Posted by: yachanin (Oct 5, 2013 01:05AM)
Hi Magic.Maddy,

You're right on both counts. Crusade is wonderful and Atlas is a great guy.

Regards, Steve
Message: Posted by: Atlas (Oct 9, 2013 03:10PM)
What do I say to something like that? It is humbling to hear and I'm grateful for such glowing character references. Thanks very much - it is easy to be characterized as a great guy when the people I am interacting woth are so wholly pleasant and genial themselves.

As far as the Crusade is concerned, I have now arrived in England and got the chance to perform it for an English group for the first time using a deck from the establishment I was visiting. Some of the accents were very broad and I couldn't understand every word that was said, but the astonished pause, laughter and applause at the end was the sort of universal language that we can all comprehend.

Thanks to everyone who has taken the chance on this and for all your great feedback.

Best,

Atlas
Message: Posted by: jpmillet (Oct 16, 2013 06:33PM)
Hi, I'm not a professional magician.
I am looking for the ultimate self working card trick that can be performed for the family, friends and in some reunions.
I have learned some tricks in Ultimate Self Working Card Tricks DVDs and on Karl Fulves books, now I'm looking for a special one.
I have read some amazing things about The Crusade, but since its $27dls I just want some opinions if you think this trick its going to suit me. (Not a professional, not an advance magician, just having fun with friends)
Thank you very much and sorry for the bad grammar! (Im from Mexico)
Message: Posted by: Magic.Maddy (Oct 16, 2013 07:43PM)
[quote]
On 2013-10-16 19:33, jpmillet wrote:
Hi, I'm not a professional magician.
I am looking for the ultimate self working card trick that can be performed for the family, friends and in some reunions.
I have learned some tricks in Ultimate Self Working Card Tricks DVDs and on Karl Fulves books, now I'm looking for a special one.
I have read some amazing things about The Crusade, but since its $27dls I just want some opinions if you think this trick its going to suit me. (Not a professional, not an advance magician, just having fun with friends)
Thank you very much and sorry for the bad grammar! (Im from Mexico)
[/quote]

It's real value lies in the presentational nature. If you just presented this as "let me fool you! Do this, now do that, now do this" then it isn't going to impres anyone. The reason it's amazing is because it has a fantastic presentation that builds upon this feeling of impossibility.

Hope that helps.
Message: Posted by: AdamChance (Oct 16, 2013 08:11PM)
[quote]
On 2013-10-16 19:33, jpmillet wrote:
Hi, I'm not a professional magician.
I am looking for the ultimate self working card trick that can be performed for the family, friends and in some reunions.
I have learned some tricks in Ultimate Self Working Card Tricks DVDs and on Karl Fulves books, now I'm looking for a special one.
I have read some amazing things about The Crusade, but since its $27dls I just want some opinions if you think this trick its going to suit me. (Not a professional, not an advance magician, just having fun with friends)
Thank you very much and sorry for the bad grammar! (Im from Mexico)
[/quote]

My guess is that you're going to get a whole lot more value out of the BBM DVD and the book you mentioned. The trick is simple to perform, but I think that a professional would probably get more value out of this than an amature.

I think it would sort of be like paying for one really good trick on the BBM self working card trick dvd.... it would be a good trick, using a simple method, but you get a more complete presentation.

So some people might be happy to spend $27 to get material that they will actually use. Others might be upset that they spent $27 on one trick when they could have bought a DVD for the same price that has maybe 10 tricks that are almost as good.
Message: Posted by: a brown 1968 (Oct 17, 2013 03:11AM)
Good morning JPMillet

Thank you for your question and also to those who have responded already.

Will the effect fit you? You mentioned three points.

You are not a professional magician, well neither am I and I did not create Crusade with a professional in mind. It does not require the years a professional has under their belt in spectator management skills.

You are not an advanced magician: From a technical point of view the effect is very simple to perform and if you can perform a trick from a Karl Fulves book then you already have the technical skill to perform the effect.

You are having fun with family and friends: This is I feel is the key question .. If you have been performing effects pretty much as the K Fulves books say which come with a couple of lines of script , then performing Crusade is going to look out of place because it is the power of the script which makes all the difference.

The easiest way to explain it is ... A trick from a Karl Fulves books is the equivalent of being told the plot of a film in a few lines ..the plot is good and original but summarised in just 4 or 5 lines . Now imagine you actually went to see the film not only do you see the plot in action but each and every word of the script told by the actors draws you in and by the end you leave the cinema with a memorable experience. That is the difference

Crusade has been created with a mentalist in mind rather than a performer who does card tricks , however card guys with years of experience under their belts have been able to adapt the effect to fit in with who they are very successfully.

I would say take your time , magic or mentalism need not be rushed . As Adam says there are some excellent DVDs out there with great effects on them and several for the price of Crusade . You can learn a lot from these and discover who you are as a performer. Then in the future return to The Crusade , it is not going anywhere and will be still available 5 years from now.


If you have any questions , please PM me

Andrew
Message: Posted by: Gourmet (Oct 17, 2013 03:33AM)
[quote]
On 2013-10-16 19:33, jpmillet wrote:
Hi, I'm not a professional magician.
I am looking for the ultimate self working card trick ...
[/quote]

hi there,
please define "ultimate ". do you mean a "showstopper" ?
I believe, that there might not be such thing like an "ultimate " card trick.

"the crusade" will leave your audience more than puzzled for quite some time :)
Message: Posted by: Christian Rey (Oct 17, 2013 10:48AM)
The words spoke of this effect are incredible! 12 pages and growing! Brilliant
Message: Posted by: Atlas (Oct 18, 2013 10:12AM)
Hi JP, there is a lot of flexibility available in The Crusade, and as long as you are comfortable with the fact that this isn't pitched to your audience as a simple card trick, a person's capacity to adapt it to their needs should span all levels of experience.

Andy and I set the goal that The Crusade should work for varying styles, but my biggest concern was that this should never come across as a card trick, rather as a demonstration of a very specific skill that happens to use cards (or whatever is at hand - postcards, magazines, business cards, etc.). In my mind, that is the one presentational premise that would be difficult to alter.

But you don't have to be a professional to make The Crusade work to your advantage.

Best,

Atlas
Message: Posted by: Paul Carnazzo (Oct 18, 2013 05:18PM)
The Crusade is well worth getting. I can't imagine anyone being disappointed in this. The method and presentation work perfectly together to create a real moment of baffling beauty.

Great job Atlas...keep up the great work!
Message: Posted by: magicthree (Oct 19, 2013 07:13AM)
Love Lars version of it.
Message: Posted by: Glenn Morphew (Oct 22, 2013 12:49PM)
What a well thought out and choreographed performance piece!

As emphasized in the manuscript, this ACAAN was designed with the intention of making the routine an entertaining and memorable experience for your audience. Thank goodness! I wish more things were designed with that goal.

I corresponded with Andrew a few years ago for awhile and I was always impressed with his ability to take the necessary procedures of a trick and turn them into interesting, entertaining and logical processes by weaving them cleverly into his presentations. Andrew has an amazing talent for that.

When you (hopefully) get a chance to get any of Andrew Brown's offerings in the future, do so. I promise you won't be disappointed.

Needless to say, I think The Crusade is awesome on several levels! Well done Andrew and Atlas. I can't wait to see what's on the horizon.

Glenn
Message: Posted by: JanForster (Oct 22, 2013 01:59PM)
So, if I post my thoughts here do not get me wrong: I have it and like it a lot. Wonderfully constructed routine. But I never stop thinking and tried to approach the entire routine from a different angle, just seeing the effect...

What happens if you do it with a m...ed and mem...zed deck? You loose the advantage to use any (borrowed) deck, not important unless you plan to do it on club meetings only. At the beginning you have to do a f...se shuffle, but therefore later on the spectators can shuffle the card as often as they want. Here we are equal then as this is not possible with the original routine. But what we gain? I think quite a lot. You have not to pretend to do what you claim, you can actually do what you claim to do.

After each spectator has cut his pile you know all, both numbers... and from now on they can shuffle their cards as often as they wish, each pile and all together... and when the first spectator will look up his random card he could do so also with his cards with the faces invisible to you... later you have not to pretend to remove his card, you know it, you could even give a nearby spectator a glimpse of the card...

Do not get me wrong, but I never stop thinking ;) Jan
Message: Posted by: Mark_Chandaue (Oct 22, 2013 04:45PM)
I can see your thinking Jan but personally I think you lose more than you gain by using those methods. The beauty of this effect is that you don't need to know the number or the card and so can allow the deck to be fully and fairly shuffled by spectators before the effect begins and can have your back completely turned while they select their packets. They can both shuffle their packets and shuffle them together and with Lars handling you certainly give the impression that you know the card they are thinking of. The ability to flash the card to a spectator is not necessary as the proof is in the pudding when the card is turned over and it is correct.

In real terms all the prepped deck gives you is the ability to flash the card to a spectator before the final reveal and personally I think that is worth less than the ability to have the spectators shuffle the deck before the effect starts. The extra convincer of being able to flash the card is not needed in my opinion and will not strengthen the effect more than handing the pack out and asking for it to be shuffled at the beginning of the effect then turning your back while the spectators select their packets. If anything not flashing the card may even add to the suspense.

Mark
Message: Posted by: JanForster (Oct 22, 2013 05:38PM)
I think you are right. Jan
Message: Posted by: a brown 1968 (Oct 24, 2013 07:41AM)
Hello Glen

I am sorry that we lost touch, for you have been a brilliant sounding boards for ideas and effects I have created . I shall try and rectify this situation over the coming months . Good to read you are going to enjoy performing Crusade , it has come along way since I first jotted down the basic idea .

Hi Jan

Great to read you are always looking to take an effect and see what you can do with it , looking forward to hearing further suggestions in the future. My mind set when putting Crusade together was being given a borrowed , mangled incomplete deck shuffled deck and asked to entertain a small group of people . If I was holding the deck you mentioned , then I suspect a totally different effect would been created .

Thanks Mark for weighing up the pros and cons of both .. The more information potential customers have , the better they can see if Crusade is for them

Andrew
Message: Posted by: JanForster (Oct 24, 2013 11:34AM)
Andrew, as I stated, wonderful creation! I am back with the original :)... Jan
Message: Posted by: Grail Quest (Oct 25, 2013 11:30AM)
Does the presentation have to modern & focused on the participants? Or could it work with an antique deck where the Cards themselves are seen to be Magical?
Message: Posted by: Magic.Maddy (Oct 25, 2013 01:06PM)
[quote]
On 2013-10-25 12:30, Grail Quest wrote:
Does the presentation have to modern & focused on the participants? Or could it work with an antique deck where the Cards themselves are seen to be Magical?
[/quote]

That's a great question but one that is difficult for me to answer.


This is based around the participants because of the procedure require to achieve the effect. If you can find a different way to justify the procedure without it focusing on the volunteer, then you definitely could change it. However you would be changing the thing tht sets this apart from other ACAANs. This looks like mind reading rather than a magical deck.

But I'm sure you could make it work!
Message: Posted by: Grail Quest (Oct 25, 2013 10:58PM)
That's a really helpful answer. Thank you for providing such an accurate, yet optimistic response!
Message: Posted by: Magic.Maddy (Oct 25, 2013 11:28PM)
[quote]
On 2013-10-25 23:58, Grail Quest wrote:
That's a really helpful answer. Thank you for providing such an accurate, yet optimistic response!
[/quote]

You're welcome!!
Message: Posted by: merlins1nd (Oct 26, 2013 04:31PM)
You know what when Mr Murray Speaks I Listen... Just on his Recommendation I bought this this afternoon.. and I love it.. Definitely gonna use this.

Great Work Atlas.... <:O)
Message: Posted by: Atlas (Oct 26, 2013 11:29PM)
Thanks very much - we're glad you enjoyed this!

Best,

Atlas
Message: Posted by: Grail Quest (Oct 30, 2013 11:09AM)
Utterly compelling. Exquisitely elegant. I just can't wait to try this out with the Dark Dawn Tarot. Highest possible recommendation. My favourite effect of the year. Hats off to Andrew & Atlas!
Message: Posted by: Grail Quest (Oct 30, 2013 11:25AM)
Incidentally, do you think that Bruce Bernstein's 'Separation Anxiety' might be an even better pair to 'The Crusade' than the U.F. Grant effect you mention in the Performance Manual?
Message: Posted by: a brown 1968 (Oct 30, 2013 01:39PM)
Hello Grail .

Pleased you find Crusade to your liking.

In answer to your question, I prefer the Grant effect to Bernstein's in the context of linking up with Crusade . Having completed Crusade and built the audience up, I wish to avoid the dead time of needing to count exactly 20 cards and be sure the composition is set up for Separation Anxiety. With the Grant effect you come full circle because the spectator can shuffle his deck again and you go immediately into the effect from this stand point. The spectator goes away with the memory that he shuffled his own deck each time prior to being astounded by the two effects that follow.

Andrew
Message: Posted by: Atlas (Oct 30, 2013 02:58PM)
Hi Grail,

What Andrew said. This isn't a criticism of "Separation Anxiety" in any way, but I'd suggest that you don't want to interrupt the flow and harmony of the two effects by having to impose any sort of setup. I also like to stop the sorting process halfway through the deck as I can then show that the remaining cards are obviously still mixed.

Thanks also for your great feedback - We are pleased that you think so highly of The Crusade.

Best,

Atlas
Message: Posted by: Grail Quest (Oct 31, 2013 02:47AM)
Yours is the only ACAAN I have. I researched everything I could find on the subject before plumping for the 'latest & greatest'. As you can see, I couldn't have been more delighted with my choice.

Ironically, I was only asking the question about 'Seperation Anxiety' because that appeared to be the most state-of-the art OOTW to pair with your state-of-the art ACAAN. Given your extremely helpful answers, I can see that in this case, old school is best! Off I go to Lybrary...

Thanks again for not only your wonderful ACAAN, but also such first class support for your Product.
Also... Happy Halloween!
Message: Posted by: MagisterFreud (Nov 2, 2013 09:31AM)
It's not often new effects get this much praise from such respectable individuals.

I don't do much work with a regular deck. Does this effect depend on the structure of a playing card deck? Or, could it be done with a tarot deck?
Message: Posted by: Grail Quest (Nov 2, 2013 09:45AM)
Any Cards, Photographs, Tickets or whatever you can come up with would work! I'm certainly using it with Tarot Cards. Absolutely my favourite effect of the year. Highly recommended.
Message: Posted by: sandsjr (Nov 5, 2013 01:27AM)
I'm writing my review in hopes to help anyone out who is trying to make a decision on whether or not to buy this effect. First off, I believe it was 4 record companies that turned down the Beatles before they were signed. There are plenty of people that never did and still don't like what is probably the most loved pop band in history. The point being, if the Beatles can't please everyone, why would anyone expect this effect to. Right? There will always be different perspectives on everything in life. That's what makes it so interesting and beautiful. However, when something is really good, experience shows a majority will tend to like it. Which means, there will be a group that DOESN'T. There's just no avoiding it. So most people will weigh the comments and make a decision based on what they read. That's what I did. I read glowing comments, and a few angry comments. I've also read glowing comments on things I've purchased that have turned out to be underwhelming to put it politely. I expect most here have. So who do you believe? I've never seen any of the guys whose comments I've read perform. How do I weigh what they say? How do I know what's drives them to do what they do with their craft? What's important to you may not be what's important to me. That said, here are a couple things to think about... could the method for out of this world be any simpler??? Could the effect be any more devastating? The method here is simple. I won't know how it plays until I've spent some time with it and used it. However, my gut feeling tells me it's going to be very effective. I say this purely based on my assessment of what I've read, the calibre of the thinking (not what others here are saying)! Being as I just purchased this last night and am in the process of developing "MY" patter, I'll wait to perform it for a few days. I believe the framework, the psychological skeleton has been erected for you to hang your own skin on. In other words, a lot of thought and hard work has been done for you. Truly making it your own is consistent with the approach that's laid out and can only serve to strengthen the effect I believe. It's up to you to make it yours. This however doesn't mean I will deviate from the the "Original" approach written here. I think they nailed it and any deviation will bring diminishing returns in my opinion. Contemplating the additional approaches given reconfirmed that for me intuitively. I believe theres a lot of good here and find it hard to imagine anyone would feel they haven't gotten their 27 dollars worth for having purchased it! Hope this helps. One note to the creators of the effect, why not do a video clip of just reveal reactions from some live performances? You won't be giving anything away and could definitely help people make a buying decision. Just a thought. Thanks for sharing the effect and best wishes.
Message: Posted by: Nicolino (Nov 5, 2013 02:01AM)
Very well thought out post, good job. I really love the Beatles analogy!
(...and, by the way, I also love paragraphs and breaks! :D)
Message: Posted by: Atlas (Nov 5, 2013 06:20AM)
Hi Sands,

Thanks for your very thoughtful post - you are absolutely correct to point out that every performer has different requirements and expectations and your Beatles analogy was very apt indeed. Andrew and I have been very pleased with the reception that The Crusade has received. I think part of that is the strength of the piece itself, and I think that part of it is that we have been very honest with the marketing portion of the equation.

There was some discussion earlier of releasing a performance video - in the end, I decided not to share one. On my website, I can use analytic software to see where my referral links are coming from. One site was unfamiliar to me, and I visited it as I had received a message from a friend that it was an exposure site. Sure enough, the method for The Crusade was there, though not the presentation. Had I released a video, a link would no doubt have shown up on that site and the exposure would have been complete.

As to the idea of releasing a video of the reactions, we may do so at some point in the future.

And MagisterFreud, GrailQuest is correct - this can be performed with Tarot Cards, business cards, magazines, postcards, etc.

Best,

Atlas
Message: Posted by: sandsjr (Nov 10, 2013 01:25AM)
Just wanted to post an update.

I performed the effect tonight and it went over beautifully. It left the spectators stunned. Looking forward to really working this thing. I'm curious to see how it's going over for others.

Nicolino (and anyone else trying to make their way through my previous post), sorry about the missing carriage returns. I don't know what I was thinking. :)
Message: Posted by: Ninjamonkey (Nov 17, 2013 05:42AM)
Are there any videos of this being performed?
Message: Posted by: Nicolino (Nov 17, 2013 06:07AM)
Don't think so.
Message: Posted by: Steve Hook (Nov 17, 2013 06:27PM)
[quote]
On 2013-11-17 06:42, Ninjamonkey wrote:
Are there any videos of this being performed?
[/quote]

NM: To Nicolino's statement I'll add that 50% of the product is the script, so there probably won't be a video of that on the Web.
Message: Posted by: a brown 1968 (Nov 18, 2013 03:02AM)
Hello NM :

There are no videos because with Crusade you are not buying a gimmicked deck , special gaffed cards or learning an invisible new sleight . Crusade uses a borrowed shuffled deck with no tricky moves at all and so you are not buying a product . Instead the value is in the premise and scripting designed to draw the spectators in and every action you do has a reason .

However I want to add Crusade is not built around a performer have a super dynamic persona ,that is you do not need the stage presence of Max Maven to succeed.

NM - If you have any questions Atlas and I are happy to answer any question you throw at us

Best

Andrew
Message: Posted by: Ninjamonkey (Nov 18, 2013 03:57AM)
Hello!

Apologies - I wrote that post very quickly and I appreciate that as a new member I might have come across as someone looking for the secret.

I'm getting back in to magic after rediscovering my collection and am currently working through 3 boxes of card magic instruction booklets, DVDs and books.

This effect sounds amazing and I'm sure I will buy it at some point - I had just hoped to see it in action purely out of curiosity because it sounds so great! :)

All the best.
Message: Posted by: a brown 1968 (Dec 5, 2013 09:52AM)
We just received this quote from Mark Elsdon who has had The Crusade in his possession for a few months to test it out.

"Andrew (and Atlas) have devised an absolutely ingenious new version of the ACAAN effect. It uses a borrowed, shuffled deck and there are no forces, dual-reality, stooges or any of the other shennanigans which are hallmarks of so many other 'new' handlings of this effect. Rather, they offer an elegant new method, backed up by sound psychology and a worker's approach to presentation. It's a winner - one I added to my repertoire immediately."
Message: Posted by: Zombie Magic (Dec 5, 2013 11:30AM)
The Crusade is at Penguin:


http://www.penguinmagic.com/p/3861

[img]http://images.penguinmagic.com.s3.amazonaws.com/images/magitars/atlas_brookings.png[/img]
Message: Posted by: Atlas (Dec 7, 2013 11:18AM)
Hey - is that the Penguin version of me? I hadn't noticed. When did they do that?

Best,

Atlas
Message: Posted by: Pfauntschi (Dec 10, 2013 08:21AM)
Hi guys... no after all I read of crusade... I think this is a must have... before buying it I just want one answer to get answered.
can I perform this even with one spectator, too? or in other words is a one on one performance possible?
Message: Posted by: MatCult (Dec 10, 2013 08:36AM)
[quote]
On 2013-12-10 09:21, Pfauntschi wrote:
Hi guys... no after all I read of crusade... I think this is a must have... before buying it I just want one answer to get answered.
can I perform this even with one spectator, too? or in other words is a one on one performance possible?
[/quote]

No, it's not.
Message: Posted by: Atlas (Dec 10, 2013 09:12AM)
Actually, in the supplement, Michael Murray outlines a way to do this with only one participant - so yes, it can be done.

Best,

Atlas
Message: Posted by: MatCult (Dec 10, 2013 09:30AM)
Ooops. My apologies. I have only performed the original. Sorry for giving the wrong impression!
Message: Posted by: Atlas (Dec 10, 2013 02:05PM)
Hi MatCult - No sweat! I appreciate that you took the time to try to answer the question in the first place!

Best,

Atlas
Message: Posted by: Pfauntschi (Dec 11, 2013 04:01AM)
It is briliant. I shame on myself, that I bought this so late. Thanks for the quick answers from both of you guys (:
Message: Posted by: greig ewen (Dec 14, 2013 11:47AM)
Just sent money directly through Paypal,waiting for a vibration alert from email on my iPhone to let me know I've recieved the pdf ebook. Really looking forward to reading this,heard some great stuff.

Greig
Message: Posted by: greig ewen (Dec 16, 2013 12:50PM)
Thought I'd chime in after recieving my pdf and digesting. It's a really good read and method Is devious. The first time a saw this principle was in one of the first Apocalypse magazines..which I loved then but wasn't overly keen on the routine.This is a great well thought out routine and worthy of a high place in the CAAN genre.

As Mr Harry Lorayne has being saying for decades 'all the good stuff is in Apocalypse first' or something to that affect. I am referring to the principal not the great effect Crusade. Doubt the principle was first published in Apocalypse but it's where I first read it.

All the best

Greig.
Message: Posted by: Robert P. (Dec 16, 2013 12:56PM)
Hi Greig, do you remember the name to which Apocalypse routine you are referring to?
Message: Posted by: Atlas (Dec 16, 2013 04:04PM)
[quote]
On 2013-12-16 13:56, Robert P. wrote:
Hi Greig, do you remember the name to which Apocalypse routine you are referring to?
[/quote]

Hi Greig,

If you answer that question, to avoid exposure, I'd appreciate if it were done via PM - as would many other owners of The Crusade.

Thanks for the very positive review, by the way - it has been very nice to see The Crusade so warmly accepted.

Best,

Atlas
Message: Posted by: Andrew J. K. (Dec 20, 2013 11:16AM)
I'd much appreciate if anyone could tell me if there are any language restrictions.

In case the answer is not a 100% YES, could I adapt in some way the method (patter, wording
and the whole presentation in general) to my language which in my case is the Greek one?

Thank you in advance,

With regards,
Andrew K.
Message: Posted by: Magic.Maddy (Dec 20, 2013 11:17AM)
[quote]
On 2013-12-20 12:16, Andrew J. K. wrote:
I'd much appreciate if anyone could tell me if there are any language restrictions.

In case the answer is not a 100% YES, could I adapt in some way the method (patter, wording
and the whole presentation in general) to my language which in my case is the Greek one?

Thank you in advance,

With regards,
Andrew K.
[/quote]

There's no language restrictions whatsoever.
Message: Posted by: Andrew J. K. (Dec 20, 2013 11:29AM)
Thanks a lot, Maddy for your valuable information.

I really much appreciate it.

I think I'll give it a try. Waiter please...
Message: Posted by: Magic.Maddy (Dec 20, 2013 01:05PM)
[quote]
On 2013-12-20 12:29, Andrew J. K. wrote:
Thanks a lot, Maddy for your valuable information.

I really much appreciate it.

I think I'll give it a try. Waiter please...
[/quote]

No problem! It's a great piece that will work great for you!
Message: Posted by: nwanstall (Jan 30, 2014 08:19PM)
I just wanted to say how amazing this is. Think you so much for releasing this Atlas.
Message: Posted by: paperinick (Jan 30, 2014 08:56PM)
I got this one as well. How do I get all the improvements discussed in this thread?
Message: Posted by: J-Mac (Jan 31, 2014 12:07AM)
Papernick,

Toward the back of the ebook starting on page 30 are several alternate presentations and tips. About 7 or 8 pages worth. Also there is another ebook authored by a Café member that offers a very nice alternate presentation. That presentation was a separate supplement mailed out on August 11, 2013 IIRC. If you didn't get the supplement, send a PM to Atlas or Andrew and I'm sure they will accommodate you.

Jim
Message: Posted by: Atlas (Jan 31, 2014 02:49AM)
Thanks Jim, and thanks to all of you who have said such great things about The Crusade. It has been wonderful to exchange emails with many of you and to hear your stories and background.

Some of the correspondence I've shared was with gentlemen who were rather older than me, and the stories they've been kind enough to share have bridged a gap to the names of the past, given me a glimpse into marvelous days gone by, and it has had the result of making me feel more connected with the roots of our fine vocation. I truly can't express how much that has meant to me.

I also truly appreciate the support that The Crusade has garnered from all of you. It was a real pleasure to see this little effort appear in the top 5 in voting for the "Best Effect of 2013" thread here:

http://www.themagiccafe.com/forums/viewtopic.php?topic=536512&forum=109&start=660

And I didn't notice - until someone pointed it out on that thread yesterday - that The Crusade's position in voting made it the de facto best eBook of 2013. We were also listed in MagicSeen Magazine's "Best of 2013" article. That was a nice surprise, and a wonderful feeling.

However great that felt, I fully recognize that the success of this book belongs to each of you here, and not to myself or Andrew. It was YOUR enthusiasm that spread this approach around and word of mouth that led people to discover and investigate it.

This is an achievement that does not belong to us, but to each of you.

Well done, my splendid and exceptional friends.

Best,

Atlas
Message: Posted by: Andrew J. K. (Feb 9, 2014 12:59PM)
All I can say about Atlas' and Andrew's ebook is WOW!

We're dealing here with an absolutely amazing and brilliant thinking behind the hidden in plain site
psychological path you guide the spectators to, until the final result and the unexpected great
climax is reached.

I have to agree that this is by far the best ebook of 2013!

IMHO, in my eyes it looks like it could be even the official trick of the year (2013) IF ONLY...

-it had been released a few months before INFERNO since we have to condiser that it's an ebook
and the great majority of them that circulate among all of us (magicians and mentalists) tend
to be less commercial than other products which usually come with an instructional DVD and gimmck(s)
and are also very lucky to have a big company name behind their production and distribution.

-it has been advertided and distributed in the same fair way other magic products have.

Atlas and Andrew, I think that you have to improve your PR and marketing skills...

OK, I'm just kidding!

Bottom line: The CRUSADE is the most psychologically interactive and very interesting ACAAN plot I've ever seen.

However I have to warn all potential buyers: you have to be patient, it's something that you can't perform right
out of the box.

You need to study thoroughly every subtlety, nuance and wording in general in order to accomplish your
goal which, believe me, it's really well worth it.

And don't forget to practice, practice, practice and rehearse. Go out and perform it to the real world.

Then, relax and enjoy their speechless reactions...

This is so close to real mind reading and that's not hype!

My congrat to Atlas and Andrew. Thank you guys for releasing this real gem of mentalism!

Warmest regards,
Andrew
Message: Posted by: Andrew J. K. (Feb 9, 2014 01:43PM)
I just forgot to clarify that I own INFERNO as well and it is really an awesome piece of mentalism,
thanks to Joshua Jay.

However it is using props to accomplish it's goal in comparison with THE CRUSADE
which needs only a specific verbal communication path that leads you directly and unexpectedly to the
final reveal of the "thought" of card by a spectator that can be found in a specific position in the deck according
to an other spectator's named sort "thought" of number, before even the main verbal procedure has begun.

Ok, besides the verbal communication procedure, there is a little bit handling of the deck.

By that I mean the simplest handling of a deck of cards (i.e. dealing).

I assure you that it definitely does not require any sleight.

Even the easiest one in card magic...

Despite the fact that I added quatation marks to the words THOUGHT above, I'd like to mention that the
performer does know at any time neither the card (color, suit, value) of the first spectator nor the number
the second spectator has in his mind!

To avoid any misunderstanding, I'd like you to know that I voted INFERNO as the official trick of the year.
There is definitely a reason for it.

Simply put, the respective contest was about the official TRICK of the year.

Not the official effect of the year, since there is a big difference between those two meanings.

Unlike INFERNO which by the way has a great impact towards the audience you are performing to, I simply DO NOT
consider THE CRUSADE as a trick.

THE CRUSADE is a true miracle in the right hands.

Enough said...

Wish you all the best,
Andrew
Message: Posted by: Rolyan (Feb 19, 2014 04:54PM)
I've just performed this at the magic session in the local pub and it was voted the 'trick of the evening'. It fooled all bar one of the magicians present, all of whom are knowledgeable and many are workers. However, the best reactions were from the 'normal' peopl; Done for laymen it's a killer. I present it ever so slightly differently to that printed (it suits me better and is a bit more natural for me) but this is definitely going into my repertoire. The strong points are:

It's a borrowed deck, in any condition.
It's shuffled by the spectators.
Nobody knows what's been thought of.
The presentation gives this real credibility.
It doesn't take that long to do.
It can involve a large group.

Excellent, my kind of magic.
Message: Posted by: Atlas (Feb 19, 2014 06:32PM)
Andrew and Rolyan - it is great to read your feedback! Andrew - I don't know how I missed your posts, but I did. Thanks for sharing your thoughts, they were very kind. And I agree with you: The Crusade isn't a standard trick, it can go a long way toward establishing your credibility with your audience.

Rolyan, it made me smile when you said that it flew past knowledgeable magicians. Well done - That means that you are presenting it correctly and I think it just goes to show how special the right presentation can be.

Thank you both so much for taking the time to post about your experience with The Crusade. In fact, I appreciate all the posts here.

And Andrew, if you liked the "thinking behind the hidden in plain site psychological path you guide the spectators to, until the final result and the unexpected great climax is reached", keep an eye out for 'Train Tracking'.

Best,

Atlas
Message: Posted by: laurent (Feb 20, 2014 09:01AM)
I've performed this trick a couple of times with the basic presentation. Love it !

For the prediction, when you return the packet to the spectator,
say to the first volunteer "you have a number" and to the second volunteer "you have a card in mind"
For the first time,
what is your number ?
what is your card ?
Would you please look after the card in that position in the packet ?

What do you think ?
Thanks for advices
Laurent
Message: Posted by: Sreidy (Mar 3, 2014 04:50PM)
I received my copy yesterday and absolutely love it! I suppose its common to feel hesitant with purchasing new effects. We have all been through many banquets of unhelpful purchases that may have left a disgruntled taste in the mouth. We all have different tastes and different intentions and there is always something useful for someone even if it is not for you. However it has to be said that sometimes something comes along that just blows you away and takes you back to the nucleus of why you got into magic in the first place.

Our creations are our legacy. The things we make here and now are the things that we will leave behind when we are gone.This is what compels painters to paint, builders to build, coders to code and magicians/mentalists to make magic. Wether we realise it or not we all want that legacy of creation because it keeps us alive twice. One in the moment when we are creating and again long after we are gone.
Sometimes we surf in the wake of these people. So perhaps find some time to make some time to learn this and look at purchasing a moment of history and be part of something that will leave you laughing like a mental patient.
Message: Posted by: emptysafe (Mar 3, 2014 08:58PM)
From all the feedback here I feel it is a must-have for every mentalist. Where can I buy it?
Message: Posted by: Magic KL (Mar 3, 2014 10:07PM)
You can buy it here: http://www.atlasmentalism.com/AtlasProductsCatalog.html
Message: Posted by: a brown 1968 (Mar 4, 2014 02:05AM)
To all those who have written recently on this thread you have my sincerest gratitude for your kind words .

Andrew
Message: Posted by: Andrew J. K. (Mar 13, 2014 09:58AM)
Your welcome, Andrew. Besides we did say nothing but the TRUTH.

With regards,
Andrew K.
Message: Posted by: TheAmazingSteveo (Mar 14, 2014 02:09PM)
Very easy to do and VERY POWERFUL.

HIGHLY RECOMMENDED!!!
Message: Posted by: a brown 1968 (Mar 15, 2014 05:35AM)
Hello Steveo ,

Thank you for your comments , I like to think the owners of Crusade carry with them an effect they can call upon at a moments notice or be part of a longer set.

I would say that yes from a sleight of hand viewpoint Crusade is simple, however I do want to stress to people who may wish in the future acquire the effect, you have to be happy to talk and engage with your audience. If your style is short fast and visual stuff then Crusade maybe out of your comfort zone or what your audience expects from you . I realise am I talking myself out of potential sales but Atlas and I are trying our best to ensure buyers don't add Crusade to the pile of other effects tossed into the cupboard of no return.

Andrew
Message: Posted by: Atlas (Mar 15, 2014 06:14AM)
But, having said that...

I performed for a company called Travis Perkins last Wednesday, and someone got a deck of cards from the country club we were at, shuffled them, plunked them down on the table and challenged me to read their minds using that deck that I'd never touched before.

I performed The Crusade. The crowd around the table grew and the applause at the end stopped conversations around the room. I picked up two wedding bookings shortly thereafter - one for the original challenger's brother, and the other for the daughter of a spectator.

The point here is that making something both impossible AND engaging is no bad thing.

And the original challenger swore blind that I was fair with them the whole time.

Best,

Atlas
Message: Posted by: Andrew J. K. (Mar 17, 2014 03:34PM)
[quote]
On Feb 19, 2014, MagicAtlas wrote:
(...) Andrew - I don't know how I missed your posts, but I did. Thanks for sharing your thoughts, they were very kind.
And I agree with you: The Crusade isn't a standard trick, it can go a long way toward establishing your credibility
with your audience.

(...)

And Andrew, if you liked the "thinking behind the hidden in plain site psychological path you guide the spectators to,
until the final result and the unexpected great climax is reached", keep an eye out for 'Train Tracking'.

Best,

Atlas
[/quote]

Your welcome, Atlas! I want you and Andrew to know that I really said nothing but the truth.

Besides relying on an easy yet brilliant method which is based on a very well known principle,
the "THE CRUSADE" is IMHO, a verbal, psychological and above all an outstanding
experience you feel, that goes beyond any other known ACAAN by now.

It's as close as real mindreading gets!

As for your upcoming work "TRAIN TRACKING", would you be so kind to tell me
more details about your new project?

Perhaps, the possible date of release, a few details about the plot, or simply
the general concept of your new effect?

You could also PM me if that fits you better.

Either path you choose to keep me informed about it, I'll be fine with it.

Warmest regards,
Andrew K.
Message: Posted by: Andrew J. K. (Mar 17, 2014 04:19PM)
Just a simple question to those who don't own Atlas' take on the ACCAN plot, yet.

Do you know why Atlas and Andrew are charging $27.00 for it, instead of a more rounded price?

Don't all you think that the amount of 27 bucks sounds a bit strange/odd?

For example, why not $25.00, $30.00 or even $35.00?

Sorry gentlemen, but I don't know if I have the right to reveal anything more.

With regards,
Andrew
Message: Posted by: GordonTheHypnotist (Mar 17, 2014 05:54PM)
[quote]
On Mar 17, 2014, Andrew J. K. wrote:
Just a simple question to those who don't own Atlas' take on the ACCAN plot, yet.

Do you know why Atlas and Andrew are charging $27.00 for it, instead of a more rounded price?

Don't all you think that the amount of 27 bucks sounds a bit strange/odd?

For example, why not $25.00, $30.00 or even $35.00?

Sorry gentlemen, but I don't know if I have the right to reveal anything more.

With regards,
Andrew
[/quote]

To me this is an odd post. I know you already have this but you word this as a question? Are you trying to build intrigue to an effect that already has 15 pages of comments? Yes there is a specific reason for the cost but that is for owners of the effect to know. For people that don't have it .....all it does is cause confusion.

You can absolutely do this on its own with only a borrowed deck of cards. $27 dollars is a legitimate price.
Message: Posted by: J-Mac (Mar 17, 2014 11:21PM)
Andrew,

It is none of my business why the authors have set the price where they have. I am fine with the price and therefore made the purchase. If you aren't sure if you "have the right to reveal anything more", then why are you mentioning this at all? Certainly is an odd post.

Jim
Message: Posted by: Garbo (Mar 18, 2014 12:20AM)
I've purchased the ACAAN but I'm in uk and so it cost £16.23..... 😊
Message: Posted by: a brown 1968 (Mar 18, 2014 03:16AM)
Why $27 ??

The price originally was a nice round some $30 before we released
Crusade .. Atlas in performance found out following up with U F Grants
OOTW was the perfect bedfellow .. The Grant effect can be purchased for $3 as an ebook

Since the OOTW is not ours to include in our ebook we decided to cut our price by $3 in order to
Keep the overall price at $30

£16.23 ... Lol that's exchange rates for you

Andrew
Message: Posted by: Andrew J. K. (Mar 18, 2014 06:12PM)
[quote]
On Mar 17, 2014, GordonTheHypnotist wrote:

To me this is an odd post. I know you already have this but you word this as a question?
Are you trying to build intrigue to an effect that already has 15 pages of comments?
Yes there is a specific reason for the cost but that is for owners of the effect to know.
For people that don't have it .....all it does is cause confusion.

You can absolutely do this on its own with only a borrowed deck of cards. $27 dollars is a legitimate price.
[/quote]

[quote]
On Mar 18, 2014, J-Mac wrote:
Andrew,

It is none of my business why the authors have set the price where they have. I am fine with the price
and therefore made the purchase. If you aren't sure if you "have the right to reveal anything more",
then why are you mentioning this at all?

Certainly is an odd post.

Jim
[/quote]

To GordonTheHypnotist and J-MAc:

Dear gentlemen, I'm afraid that either you misinterpreted my post or I couldn't express myself the
way I wanted due to the fact that English is not my mother tongue.

I think that this is quite understandable.

However if the latter is the case then I do apologize for any confusion may have caused.

With all due respect, I don't see anything odd regarding the content of my post.

On the contrary, I think that it is clear that my statement was an absolutely positive
and not a negative one.

As for the price, I never said anywhere in that topic anything negative (should I assume that
you have indeed read thoroughly my previous posts on page 14?) about the price or the concept
of the ebook itself.

Do you honestly notice anywhere the slightest sign of negative critisism by me either about
the effect itself or about its price?

I NEVER said or implied that the price is not legitimate, overpriced or anything like that.

I really can't understand your slightly harsh attitude towards my latest post and myself in general.

And I think that I didn't build any intrique. At least not the one referring to its negative term.

All I wanted was simply to offer any potential buyer one more tiny motivation to get CRUSADE in order
to learn among all other information about the effect, the interesting and funny,IMHO story that
lies behind Atlas' and Andrew's funky or unconventional decision to set the price at a non rounded
amount($27.00) instead of charging them with 30 bucks.

Don't you think that this is a quite prototypical and kind gesture by them to give the buyers the opportunity
to spend the 3 remaining bucks on getting a very interesting and clever version of OOTW by U.F. Grant which
seems ideal to be performed right after CRUSADE according to the creators of the latter?

And I totally agree with them.

Have you ever seen similar gestures by other fellow mentalists or magicians by now?

I don't think so.

On the contrary, although it's a brilliant and an outstanding effect/experience performing this,
it's DEFINITELY much UNDERPRICED in comparison with hundreds of ACAAN/Open Prediction versions
or similar magic effects/products that are circulating in the magic market by now.

To Jim who wrote, "Certainly is an odd post": "Certainly" is a word we have to use carefully and above all wisely,
every time we are referring to a person.

Surely there are a few other phrasing such as "I think..." instead of the aforementioned one.

And it happens that this is being used by people who have a moderate and more humble attitude.

Finally, I'd like to say a big thank you to Andrew Brown for clarifying things for me in his latest
post on page 15 of this topic.

After that, things came to an end, since there isn't an extra surprise for the buyers of THE CRUSADE anymore.

Are you both, Jim and Gordon happy now?

I do apologize once more for not being able to express myself the way I want due to the fact
that I don't speak English fluently.

With regards,
Andrew K.
Message: Posted by: J-Mac (Mar 19, 2014 12:53AM)
Andrew J.K.,

You should just let it lie.

[quote]To Jim who wrote, "Certainly is an odd post": "Certainly" is a word we have to use carefully and above all wisely,
every time we are referring to a person. [/quote]

Certainly means I feel sure it is an odd post. Perhaps it is the language issue you mentioned. However the following statement...

[quote]Sorry gentlemen, but I don't know if I have the right to reveal anything more.[/quote]

...indicates that you claim to have some hidden or otherwise unknown bit of knowledge about the reason for what you called a "strange/odd" price, but you do not know if you may reveal it. That sounds as if there is some nefarious reason behind the price.

If that isn't what you meant, due to a language barrier, then you hopefully know it now!

And with that I will refrain from any further comment about your post.

Jim
Message: Posted by: GordonTheHypnotist (Mar 19, 2014 01:45AM)
Hey Andrew JK I wasn't being critical at all. I was just curious to why you asked the question of the Café members? If you owned this, which I assumed you do than you would have already known the answer to your question. Yes indeed the pricing was clever and great for them to make it a valuable combo but that information was not yours to share!

Don't you understand that it was because of your confusing (odd) post that readers don't get that added surprise? Andrew Brown had to come on the Café and clarify that the peculiar price was due to a fun little bonus on their part and not something out of the norm.

I understand that English is not your first language but you would have done much better to say something like "I even appreciate Andrew and Atlas for thinking of us magicians and making this $27. There is a really cool, novel, and fun reason for this exact price but I don't want to ruin the surprise so if you haven't already go ahead and pick this up"
Which is basically what I think you were trying to say in the first place but it didn't come out that way in your post.

I knew you were only trying to be helpful and grateful. I understand you had only good intentions in mind.

I don't want to digress from this great trick or thread anymore so I will leave it at that.

Best,

Gordon
Message: Posted by: Garbo (Mar 19, 2014 03:26AM)
I think it was a great acknowledgment to U F Grants OOTW - which incidentally cost me £1.81 - so both effects cost me £18.04
I wonder what the significance of that number is......?
Message: Posted by: Andrew J. K. (Mar 19, 2014 11:00AM)
[quote]
On Mar 19, 2014, GordonTheHypnotist wrote:
Hey Andrew JK I wasn't being critical at all.

I was just curious to why you asked the question of the Café members?

If you owned this, which I assumed you do than you would have already
known the answer to your question.

Yes indeed the pricing was clever and great for them to make it a valuable
combo but that information was not yours to share!

Don't you understand that it was because of your confusing (odd) post that readers
don't get that added surprise? Andrew Brown had to come on the Café and clarify that
the peculiar price was due to a fun little bonus on their part and not something out
of the norm.

I understand that English is not your first language but you would have done much better
to say something like "I even appreciate Andrew and Atlas for thinking of us magicians
and making this $27.

There is a really cool, novel, and fun reason for this exact price but I don't want to ruin
the surprise so if you haven't already go ahead and pick this up".

Which is basically what I think you were trying to say in the first place but it didn't come
out that way in your post.

I knew you were only trying to be helpful and grateful. I understand you had only good
intentions in mind.

I don't want to digress from this great trick or thread anymore so I will leave it at that.

Best,

Gordon
[/quote]

First of all, I'd like to thank you Gordon, for your kind efforts to have a moderate, nice
and objective approach to my latest post.

I really much appreciate this and especially your kind suggestion regarding the phrasing
I should have used to avoid any likelihood of confusion.

I'm referring to the following statement of yours: "I even appreciate Andrew and Atlas for
thinking of us magicians and making this $27. There is a really cool, novel, and fun reason
for this exact price but I don't want to ruin the surprise so if you haven't already go ahead
and pick this up".

And you continue with: "Which is basically what I think you were trying to say in the first
place but it didn't come out that way in your post".

I do apologize once more (It seems that Jim is still the only one who ignores my subsequent
apologies in this topic) from not being able to express myself correctly as Gordon correctly
suggested me.

Gordon, believe me neither I do not want to digress from this thread anymore.

I just wanted to give (wrongly, I guess due my language issue) a unexpectable surprise to any potential
buyer.

Just one more tiny motive to get the CRUSADE. That' all. Hope my post didn't affect in any way negative
the sales of THE CRUSADE.


Bottom line: it seems that you and Andrew Brown are the only ones who really understood that my intentions
were good and that all I wanted was simply to let any potential buyer know that the particular price of CRUSADE
was related to a hidden surprise in this ebook with the difference that it was in the form of another ebook that
the buyer had to purchase for just 3 bucks and use it as a perfect follow up of the CRUSADE.

If any other of you believe that my post was odd, please feel free to say it.

I was always and will still be in favour of progressive dialogue.

As for the definition of the word "odd", it has different meanings.

One of them is "unusual" and "rare".

And that's exactly what I meant.

That what I mentioned and tried to make the potential buyer think about, was the issue of the
NON ROUNDED PRICE regarding their product, a phenomenon that IMHO is definitely rare and not
common when it comes to prices of magic books, ebooks or any other magic product in the market.

Thanks once more, Gordon for your kind and unbiased approach to my post,

All the best,
Andrew K.

P.S. If I'm not wrong, Andrew Brown chimmed in to clarify things ONLY after he had read your post and
especially Jim's one which was the most critical (this is the most gentle way I can interpret Jim's
attitude towards my post and me in general).

And if my memory serves me well, even the slightest word of my post wasn't mentioned in a negative
way by Andrew.

I said that I don't know if I have the right to reveal more because I couldn't do so
without having the permission from the creators for something that was suggested in their
ebook to its readers to buy for an additional amount of 3 USA dollars.

So who created all that buzz? Me with my NON ROUNDED PRICE phrase or you and especially
Jim with the unkind and kind of rude critical content of his post?
Message: Posted by: Andrew J. K. (Mar 19, 2014 01:17PM)
[quote]
On Mar 19, 2014, J-Mac wrote:
Andrew J.K.,

You should just let it lie.

[quote]To Jim who wrote, "Certainly is an odd post": "Certainly" is a word we have to use carefully and above all wisely,
every time we are referring to a person. [/quote]

Certainly means I feel sure it is an odd post. Perhaps it is the language issue you mentioned. However the following statement...

[quote]Sorry gentlemen, but I don't know if I have the right to reveal anything more.[/quote]

...indicates that you claim to have some hidden or otherwise unknown bit of knowledge about the reason for what you called a "strange/odd" price, but you do not know if you may reveal it. That sounds as if there is some nefarious reason behind the price.

If that isn't what you meant, due to a language barrier, then you hopefully know it now!

And with that I will refrain from any further comment about your post.

Jim
[/quote]

First of all, Jim, YES you have the right to refrain from any further comment about my post.

Perhaps your decision is based on some contagious disease that I have... Maybe leprosy, the plague,
any form of hepatitis or even AIDS... Yes, I think you should take precautions right away...

If this is not an arrogant attitude, I'll eat my hat...

Besides, as a superior human being in comparison with all of us mortals, you have the privilege to live
in a "free" country in comparison with us poor "servants" and "slaves" who weren't lucky enough to live
in the States like you.

You wrote: "Certainly means I feel sure it is an odd post. (...)"

As a newspaper journalist for more than two decades (I have traveled to a lot of countries due to my job)
and a person who has studied in the University thoroughly the Greek language (both the ancient and the modern one)
and Philosophy as well, I have to tell you that the aforementioned phrase of yours is DEFINITELY a subjective opinion
or view of point.

It's ...certainly NOT a FACT only because you are saying so! For God's sake!

You wrote: "That sounds as if there is some nefarious reason behind the price."

Please, be honest. Do yo really know what the meaning of the word nefarious is? I mean really...

Perhaps, "profane" or "unholy" or "heinous" or "wicked"? Don't you think that you were quite a bit
harsh and unfair with your hard hitting accusations?

Do you imply that there was a heinous(!) reason by me behind the price in order to do what?
To undermine THE CRUSADE sales? It just sounds ridiculous... At least.

I just wanted to give (wrongly, I guess due my language issue) a unexpectable surprise to
any potential buyer.

Just one more tiny motive to get the CRUSADE. That' all.

Bottom line: it seems that Gordon and Andrew Brown are the only ones who really understood
that my intentions were good and that all I wanted was simply to let any potential buyer know
that the particular price of CRUSADE was related to a hidden surprise in this ebook with the
difference that it was in the form of another ebook that the buyer had to purchase for just
3 bucks and use it as a perfect follow up of the CRUSADE.

If any other of the members or simply visitors of the Cafi believe that my post was so odd,
strange and dangerously suspicious, please feel free to say it...

I was always and will still be in favour of progressive dialogue.

As for the definition of the word "ODD", you should have known that it has several and different meanings.

One of them is "unusual" and "rare".

And that's exactly what I meant.

That was exactly what I mentioned in my post and tried to make the potential buyer think about:
the issue of the NON ROUNDED PRICE regarding their product, a phenomenon that IMHO is definitely
rare and not common when it comes to prices of magic books, ebooks or any other magic product in
the market.

I spoke only about the rare occasion a creator of mentalism or magic effects decide to sell their
product at a non rounded price. I never said that the price is not legitimate or overpriced as you
wrongly and unfairly stated in your latest post.

I simply thought that my "odd" statement would trigger the curiosity (in a positive way) about the
surprise (the suggestion to purchase U.F. Grant's OTTW version for only 3 bucks) that was hidden
in the pages of the CRUSADE. That's why I couldn't reveal anything more without Atlas' and Andrew's
permission.

Nothing more, nothing less.


With all due respect,
Andrew K.

P.S. If I'm not wrong, Andrew Brown chimmed in to clarify things ONLY after he had read Gordon's post and
especially yours which was the most critical (this is the most gentle term I can use to interpret your
attitude towards my post and me in general).

And if my memory serves me well, even the slightest word of my post wasn't mentioned in a negative
way by Andrew.

Maybe he didn't want to get involved in our harmless conflict.

Maybe he didn't notice anything wrong or odd regarding my post.

Regardless of what the answer is, the core of this issue is that odds are high that I didn't
express myself correctly and got people confused due to the fact that English isn't my mother tongue.

However, I think that I'm trying every day hard to speak and write correctly and that my grammar
is at least correct.

Wish that you could speak Greek in the way (I mean the level) I express myself either verbal
or written in your language.

Here are some history lessons just to remind you, that according to Merriam Webster (I think
that it is the most complete American dictionary at the current time) dictionary, there are
more than 40.000 greek words in its pages that American and English people take and use from
his vocabilary every day.

That's almost the 1/4 or 25% of the English/American language!

Did you really know anything about ancient greek language, culture,
philosophy, art, astronomy, physics, mathematics and medicine?

I'll mention it once more, that I said that I didn't know if I had the right to reveal more
because I couldn't do so without having the permission of the creators for something that was
suggested in their ebook to its readers to buy for an additional amount of 3 USA dollars.

So who created all that BUZZ?

Me with my NON ROUNDED PRICE phrase or you JIM with your unexplicable arrogance and the
sort of rude critical content of your latest post?

DID you really read my long posts in page 14 about the CRUSADE?

Did you get the impression that all my kind words and praises about Atlas' and Andrew's ebook
were just a bunch of lies?

Some b******t just to stir up some trouble in the Magic Café?

Come on, Jim! Relax for a while...

Even though you are behaving like the ultimate judge of the universe.

To avoid any confusion from now on, THE CRUSADE is a real worker!

Definitely the best ACAAN for mentalists by now. Highly recommended!
Message: Posted by: paisa23 (Mar 19, 2014 02:09PM)
Wait whoa! Did I walk in on Daddy hitting Mommy again? Ok so overall we are liking this and considering it a worker? Nice that's what I wanted to know. Anyone else used this lately? Would love to read about the reactions you are getting.
Message: Posted by: Garbo (Mar 19, 2014 03:41PM)
:0
Message: Posted by: Jack Straw (Mar 19, 2014 05:39PM)
So what I learned from the flurry of activity here is that newspapers are still being printed!

Glad I tuned in.
Message: Posted by: Andrew J. K. (Mar 19, 2014 06:05PM)
[quote]
On Mar 19, 2014, Garbo wrote:
I think it was a great acknowledgment to U F Grants OOTW - which incidentally cost me £1.81 - so both effects cost me £18.04
I wonder what the significance of that number is......?
[/quote]

It was really funny, Garbo. You made my day!

However joking aside, have you EVER bought any magic item that cost you 1.81 GBP or 18.04 GBP?

I don't think so.

That exactly was my point.

That the creators has set a non rounded amount(something definitely unusual in the magic market)
for some good reason. Maybe a hidden surprise? With that in mind, every purchaser is able to save
3 bucks so he can spend them to buy an other effect that is ideal as a follow up to the CRUSADE.

I do apologize once more if I indeed create any misunderstanding or confusion due to the lack
of my language skills in English.

With regards,
Andrew
Message: Posted by: Andrew J. K. (Mar 19, 2014 06:15PM)
[quote]
On Mar 19, 2014, Garbo wrote:
:0
[/quote]

Garbo, would you be so kind to be more specific regarding your "wording"?

I really don't know much about those symbols (expressions, I guess) that are being
used frequently in most of the forums. I'm neither a techno freak, a computer programmer
or a regular visitor or member of any other magic or other kind of forum.

Thank you in advance,

With regards,
Andrew
Message: Posted by: Andrew J. K. (Mar 19, 2014 06:25PM)
[quote]
On Mar 19, 2014, Jack Straw wrote:
So what I learned from the flurry of activity here is that newspapers are still being printed!

Glad I tuned in.
[/quote]

It seems that there isn't anything significant for you to comment about all the previous posts of this thread.

It also seems that you are learning fast. So, welcome and join us to the dawn of newspaper printing!

Regards,
Johannes Gutenberg
Message: Posted by: Andrew J. K. (Mar 19, 2014 06:54PM)
[quote]
On Mar 19, 2014, Garbo wrote:
I think it was a great acknowledgment to U F Grants OOTW - which incidentally cost me £1.81 - so both effects cost me £18.04
I wonder what the significance of that number is......?
[/quote]

PLEASE NOTE: To avoid the likelihood of one more misunderstanding, by asking in my latest post to you whether you have ever
bought any magic effect that cost you 1.81 or 18.04 quids, I was clearly referring to products you have purchased by now from
any magic dealer based in your country, UK.

As you have already guessed, exchange currency rates are excluded! Lol!

All th best,
Andrew
Message: Posted by: Andrew J. K. (Mar 19, 2014 07:22PM)
To end this little, yet annoying conflict betweem me and some other gentlemen, here are my previous posts
which were copied and pasted below by me in order to make a new happy and interesting start for all those
who happened to be impatient or simply didn't have much time to read all the pages of this thread from
its starting point to the end.

However I personally encourage anyone who will visit this thread from now on, to read patiently all the pages
from the first to the 15th or whichever the current one will be at that moment.



"All I can say about Atlas' and Andrew's ebook is WOW!

We're dealing here with an absolutely amazing and brilliant thinking behind the hidden in plain site
psychological path you guide the spectators to, until the final result and the unexpected great
climax is reached.

I have to agree that this is by far the best ebook of 2013!

IMHO, in my eyes it looks like it could be even the official trick of the year (2013) IF ONLY...

-it had been released a few months before INFERNO since we have to condiser that it's an ebook
and the great majority of them that circulate among all of us (magicians and mentalists) tend
to be less commercial than other products which usually come with an instructional DVD and gimmck(s)
and are also very lucky to have a big company name behind their production and distribution.

-it has been advertided and distributed in the same fair way other magic products have.

Atlas and Andrew, I think that you have to improve your PR and marketing skills...

OK, I'm just kidding!

Bottom line: The CRUSADE is the most psychologically interactive and very interesting ACAAN plot I've ever seen.

However I have to warn all potential buyers: you have to be patient, it's something that you can't perform right
out of the box.

You need to study thoroughly every subtlety, nuance and wording in general in order to accomplish your
goal which, believe me, it's really well worth it.

And don't forget to practice, practice, practice and rehearse. Go out and perform it to the real world.

Then, relax and enjoy their speechless reactions...

This is so close to real mind reading and that's not hype!

My congrat to Atlas and Andrew. Thank you guys for releasing this real gem of mentalism!

Warmest regards,
Andrew"


AND HERE IS THE SECOND ONE:

"I just forgot to clarify that I own INFERNO as well and it is really an awesome piece of mentalism,
thanks to Joshua Jay.

However it is using props to accomplish it's goal in comparison with THE CRUSADE
which needs only a specific verbal communication path that leads you directly and unexpectedly to the
final reveal of the "thought" of card by a spectator that can be found in a specific position in the deck according
to an other spectator's named sort "thought" of number, before even the main verbal procedure has begun.

Ok, besides the verbal communication procedure, there is a little bit handling of the deck.

By that I mean the simplest handling of a deck of cards (i.e. dealing).

I assure you that it definitely does not require any sleight.

Even the easiest one in card magic...

Despite the fact that I added quatation marks to the words THOUGHT above, I'd like to mention that the
performer does know at any time neither the card (color, suit, value) of the first spectator nor the number
the second spectator has in his mind!

To avoid any misunderstanding, I'd like you to know that I voted INFERNO as the official trick of the year.
There is definitely a reason for it.

Simply put, the respective contest was about the official TRICK of the year.

Not the official effect of the year, since there is a big difference between those two meanings.

Unlike INFERNO which by the way has a great impact towards the audience you are performing to, I simply DO NOT
consider THE CRUSADE as a trick.

THE CRUSADE is a true miracle in the right hands.

Enough said...

Wish you all the best,
Andrew


AND HERE IS ATLAS' REPLY:

"Andrew and Rolyan - it is great to read your feedback! Andrew - I don't know how I missed your posts, but I did. Thanks for sharing your thoughts, they were very kind. And I agree with you: The Crusade isn't a standard trick, it can go a long way toward establishing your credibility with your audience.

Rolyan, it made me smile when you said that it flew past knowledgeable magicians. Well done - That means that you are presenting it correctly and I think it just goes to show how special the right presentation can be.

Thank you both so much for taking the time to post about your experience with The Crusade. In fact, I appreciate all the posts here.

And Andrew, if you liked the "thinking behind the hidden in plain site psychological path you guide the spectators to, until the final result and the unexpected great climax is reached", keep an eye out for 'Train Tracking'.

Best,

Atlas"

Hope this helps. Peace at last!
Message: Posted by: Mark_Chandaue (Mar 19, 2014 07:24PM)
[quote]
On Mar 19, 2014, Garbo wrote:
I think it was a great acknowledgment to U F Grants OOTW - which incidentally cost me £1.81 - so both effects cost me £18.04
I wonder what the significance of that number is......?
[/quote]
The significance of that number is that David Berglas originally came up with the idea for the ACAAN plot at 18:04 on a rainy Thursday evening :)

Mark
Message: Posted by: Andrew J. K. (Mar 19, 2014 07:35PM)
To Atlas (another greek word, he, he, he...)

Because I think that you have somehow missed my latest post to you like my other two ones,
here are once more my request.


In regards to your upcoming work "TRAIN TRACKING" that you mentioned in your latest post to me,
would you be so kind to tell me any details about your new project?

For example, the possible date of release, a few details about the plot or simply
the general concept of your new effect?

You could also PM me if that fits you better.

Either path you choose to inform me about, I'll be fine with it.

Warmest regards,
Andrew K.
Message: Posted by: Andrew J. K. (Mar 19, 2014 07:41PM)
[quote]
On Mar 19, 2014, Mark_Chandaue wrote:
[quote]
On Mar 19, 2014, Garbo wrote:
I think it was a great acknowledgment to U F Grants OOTW - which incidentally cost me £1.81 - so both effects cost me £18.04
I wonder what the significance of that number is......?
[/quote]
The significance of that number is that David Berglas originally came up with the idea for the ACAAN plot at 18:04 on a rainy Thursday evening :)

Mark
[/quote]

That's why life can be so wonderful. Because there are human beings such as Mark who have such a great sense of humor.
Message: Posted by: yachanin (Mar 19, 2014 07:47PM)
I had the opportunity to perform The Crusade this afternoon for a couple students and it killed (as always)! The shout of, "Get the h@ll out of here," was easily heard across the room and a number of people looked to see what the commotion was all about :-) It's always a great feeling...

Regards, Steve
Message: Posted by: Garbo (Mar 20, 2014 01:51PM)
[quote]
On Mar 20, 2014, Andrew J. K. wrote:
[quote]
On Mar 19, 2014, Mark_Chandaue wrote:
[quote]
On Mar 19, 2014, Garbo wrote:
I think it was a great acknowledgment to U F Grants OOTW - which incidentally cost me £1.81 - so both effects cost me £18.04
I wonder what the significance of that number is......?
[/quote]
The significance of that number is that David Berglas originally came up with the idea for the ACAAN plot at 18:04 on a rainy Thursday evening :)

Mark
[/quote]

That's why life can be so wonderful. Because there are human beings such as Mark who have such a great sense of humor.
[/quote]

Haha! I was trying to think of a "witty" comment to add to my significance quote. I even google the year 1804 to see (hope) something exciting/funny/magical happened that year!!

Andrew, I was only making comments to try and lighten the mood in here - it wasn't a "dig" at you.
I actually love the effect/routine and think the reduction to $27 to enable people to purchase OOTW was very thoughtful and actually generous.

I WAS being sarcastic and trying to be funny with my last few posts :)

Hope I didn't cause any offence - it was just a joke. Maybe in the context of things it was badly timed, if so I apologise.

For anyone that reads this post, I will NEVER create an argument, disrespect anyone, speak out if turn etc etc etc - I am here to learn, have fun, and have a laugh. If I make a comment that seems offensive, it will be a simple misunderstanding due to the written word where emotions can't be expressed as easily as in person.

Hope you are all good.

Dave. :)
x

Ps - sorry fir any typos, using my phone.
;)
Message: Posted by: Andrew J. K. (Mar 23, 2014 03:57PM)
[quote]
On Mar 20, 2014, Garbo wrote:
[quote]
On Mar 20, 2014, Andrew J. K. wrote:
[quote]
On Mar 19, 2014, Mark_Chandaue wrote:
[quote]
On Mar 19, 2014, Garbo wrote:
I think it was a great acknowledgment to U F Grants OOTW - which incidentally cost me £1.81 - so both effects cost me £18.04
I wonder what the significance of that number is......?
[/quote]
The significance of that number is that David Berglas originally came up with the idea for the ACAAN plot at 18:04 on a rainy Thursday evening :)

Mark
[/quote]

That's why life can be so wonderful. Because there are human beings such as Mark who have such a great sense of humor.
[/quote]

Haha! I was trying to think of a "witty" comment to add to my significance quote. I even google the year 1804 to see (hope) something exciting/funny/magical happened that year!!

Andrew, I was only making comments to try and lighten the mood in here - it wasn't a "dig" at you.
I actually love the effect/routine and think the reduction to $27 to enable people to purchase OOTW was very thoughtful and actually generous.

I WAS being sarcastic and trying to be funny with my last few posts :)

Hope I didn't cause any offence - it was just a joke. Maybe in the context of things it was badly timed, if so I apologise.

For anyone that reads this post, I will NEVER create an argument, disrespect anyone, speak out if turn etc etc etc - I am here to learn, have fun, and have a laugh. If I make a comment that seems offensive, it will be a simple misunderstanding due to the written word where emotions can't be expressed as easily as in person.

Hope you are all good.

Dave. :)
x

Ps - sorry fir any typos, using my phone.
;)
[/quote]

Thanks for clarifying things and your kind words as well, Dave.

And you honestly, didn't cause any offence.

I was the one that misinterpreted your wording.

As you probably know, English isn't my mother tongue and I mostly don't understand several
English idioms or similar phrases wich are expressed with a humorous sense.

However I'm trying hard to express myself in english as correct as it gets
by avoiding to make any spelling or grammar error.

And I'm trying as well to make my phrasing to make sense.

Hope my english is understanable at a satisfied level by the most members or visitors of the Cafi.

All the best,
Andrew
Message: Posted by: Seth speaks (Jun 1, 2014 11:35AM)
Well, I was a bit late to this game, but I recently purchased this from Atlas' site, and I am blown away! Talk about a hard hitting effect that is easy (from a technical standpoint). Atlas and Andrew really know how to take a basically self-working effect, weave in a brilliant presentational aspect, and slay people! I've only performed it once so far, for some friends who are quick to tell me if something sucks, and I still have to smooth out and "own" the presentation a bit, but they were speechless at the turnover. I know I should have acquired this sooner, given that Atlas' The Prodigal transformed my paradigm around PA's, but... I guess some are slower on the uptake.

For anyone still on the fence, I HIGHLY recommend this as a completely impromptu, simple, and devastating ACAAN.

Seth
Message: Posted by: neurostand (Jun 3, 2014 02:50PM)
Same here, late to this game, but still: This effect is just brilliant, got nothing but great reactions so far. I only changed one element of the plot - the justification for how the numbers are chosen. I don't think the suggested idea would ever cause any problems, but nevertheless I'm more comfortable with a different approach.
Message: Posted by: cardnerd (Jul 11, 2014 12:23AM)
Really good ACAAN, and to be honest the best part of all is they lay out all the performance patter for you if you so choose to use it. It really amazes the socks off of people.
Message: Posted by: Ceierry (Jan 21, 2015 12:57PM)
Hey guys, can I know if absolutely no forces (pshychogica too) are involved? Do you ask something to the participants to 'fish' infos?

Thanks for your answer =)
Message: Posted by: Lar (Jan 21, 2015 01:54PM)
[quote]On Jan 21, 2015, Ceierry wrote:
Hey guys, can I know if absolutely no forces (pshychogica too) are involved? Do you ask something to the participants to 'fish' infos?[/quote]

There are no psychological forces or 'fishing' in Crusade.

Cheers,
Lar.
Message: Posted by: geggy (Jan 21, 2015 02:09PM)
[quote]On Jan 21, 2015, Ceierry wrote:
Hey guys, can I know if absolutely no forces (pshychogica too) are involved? Do you ask something to the participants to 'fish' infos?

Thanks for your answer =) [/quote]

Get it. . . . .its fantastic, , , you will love it.
Message: Posted by: Ceierry (Jan 21, 2015 02:19PM)
I don't have a lot of money at this moment..
Message: Posted by: RNK (Jan 21, 2015 02:27PM)
I have to concur- Crusade is fantastic. A real mind blower for the layman.

RNK
Message: Posted by: Ceierry (Jan 21, 2015 02:37PM)
Is this full hands off?
Message: Posted by: reignofsound (Jan 21, 2015 03:01PM)
[quote]On Jan 21, 2015, Ceierry wrote:
Is this full hands off? [/quote]

No but this is one of my go to effects to totally amaze two people.
Message: Posted by: Steve Suss (Jan 21, 2015 03:18PM)
I also love this. Lars handling makes this perfect. I've also found it goes very well with Smyths Myth as a prequel. The two together strengthen each other.
Message: Posted by: rasp (Jan 21, 2015 04:05PM)
Michael Murray also has a very good one on one presentation and handling.
Message: Posted by: Ceierry (Jan 21, 2015 04:11PM)
Is it included in the .PDF in PenguinMagic ?

I mean, if I purchase from Penguin Magic, it come with the Mr Murray handling too? :)
Message: Posted by: Atlas (Jan 21, 2015 04:12PM)
No - the additional material is only available through my website (see the link in my signature).

Best,

Atlas
Message: Posted by: Ceierry (Jan 21, 2015 04:14PM)
Price $31.00 + $5.00 for Shipping

Thinked it was an E-book.

It's hard copy now?
Message: Posted by: Atlas (Jan 21, 2015 04:40PM)
Yes, all of my books are now hard copies due to EU VAT law changes.

Best,

Atlas
Message: Posted by: Ceierry (Jan 21, 2015 05:07PM)
Thought*

Sad for me, I prefer instant downloads :c
Message: Posted by: Atlas (Apr 28, 2016 03:55AM)
Hi everyone - I recently got an email about this and so I wanted to bump the thread and clarify this: The Crusade is available as an eBook through Penguin magic for those who like instant downloads and want a digital product. However, the physical printed book, available through my signature link, is the only means of obtaining the extra material referenced throughout the thread above.

I hope that clarifies things.

Best,

Atlas
Message: Posted by: wchoo002 (Feb 19, 2017 12:11PM)
I got it! This is fantastic! A lot on the presentation and the method is so simple.
No forces, no readings, no stooges, no DR, etc. It's a simple card trick dressed up in mentalism.

This is a worker for me! Will be using the original handling with a few modifications to make it more hands off.
Message: Posted by: ManchurianMan83 (Mar 1, 2017 01:36PM)
This maybe just me but I don't understand what Michael Murray's Mano Y Mano version is trying to achieve.
Any help (PM's of course) would be much appreciated.

I can follow it fine right up til the last paragraph, and then it loses me.
Message: Posted by: wchoo002 (Mar 2, 2017 03:17AM)
[quote]On Mar 1, 2017, ManchurianMan83 wrote:
This maybe just me but I don't understand what Michael Murray's Mano Y Mano version is trying to achieve.
Any help (PM's of course) would be much appreciated.

I can follow it fine right up til the last paragraph, and then it loses me. [/quote]

Yeah, I don't really understand too. I'm just using the original handling of Atlas'.
Message: Posted by: Ignaz (Mar 4, 2017 01:06PM)
Hello! The Crusade was released June 28th 2013... I love it!

But I wonder, were there any improvments to this routine in these 3 and a half years? (I ask beside the Supplement released).

A better handling? Any kind of improvment in the method? Or any new effect, similar, which started right where The Crusade left?

A fantastic and very easy ACAAN. No doubt it is a great work from Atlas Brookings and Andrew Brown. My respects and regards to them.

Thanks
Message: Posted by: a brown 1968 (Mar 6, 2017 07:35AM)
I will check with Atlas if there are any new handlings or improvements that would justify and additional supplement.

For me when I created the effect it met the requirements I wished to acheive - Borrowed shuffled deck , no set up , card or number never named , different outcome each time and hands can be burned . So I kind of moved onto other effects - drawing duplications , book tests , simple memorised deck etc - Which one day I will get around to publishing.

Andrew
Message: Posted by: Ignaz (Mar 7, 2017 03:02PM)
You and Atlas created such an AMAZING effect... and so simple at the same time...

But after more than 3 years, I am sure you, at least, received several improvements and stuff like that, like the ones that made you release the only supplement at the moment. Or maybe Atlas arrived at new handlings... Would be great to hear from him, as you say that you don't have any more regarding this.

Searching the forum I found a user naming this, it was the kind of discovery I was looking for, an effect inspired by The Crusade: it is from John Bannon, is called Cross Purposes an dwas published in his book Destination Zero. Bannon says in the beginning of it:

""Cross Purposes" is based upon Andrew Brown's and Atlas Brooking's card trick, "Crusade", which procedurally was a pretty cool trick (e-book, 2013)." And continues...

So, what I thought, The Crusade has became an inspiration for other magicians. Maybe, really, Atlas and Andrew started something that they even can't imagine...

Any other news related to this?
Message: Posted by: Atlas (Aug 12, 2018 10:40AM)
[quote]On Mar 4, 2017, Ignaz wrote:
Hello! The Crusade was released June 28th 2013... I love it!

[/quote]

Look at that - five years went by SO fast!
Message: Posted by: a brown 1968 (Jan 29, 2020 03:13AM)
One of the nicest aspects of creating the Crusade was meeting people and hearing how they enjoyed performing the Crusade . I still can't believe how long this thread is and all the positive feedback .

I never dreamed that the effect I created , which Atlas then honed and fined tuned through many gigs would be a hit .

Outside my love for creating magic and mentalism effects , I support the education of a family in Asia . In this regard I need to raise additional funds in a short period of time .

Therefore for a period of 2 weeks here on the Café first . The EBOOK of the Crusade will be reduced from $27 to $9 !! - Atlas has already agreed, being the good guy he is for his share of proceeds to go towards the education fund as will mine.

IF you want to buy a copy of the ebook please PM me

Below are the last 2 reviews on penguin magic - the penguin rating is 5 stars

This is one of the best nearly Handsoff Card Routine I ever read.
I love this roten!!!

Yesterday I bought CRUSADE from Penguin. What a great routine this is!
A lot of audience participation and the best ACAAN routine I ever read.


regards

Andrew Brown
Message: Posted by: magicthree (Jan 29, 2020 07:09AM)
Anyone who hasn't got this yet, don't miss out now. A GREAT trick for a GREAT price.
Message: Posted by: CMR (Jan 29, 2020 11:46AM)
Magicthree is right, and $9 is a steal.
Message: Posted by: qualysoft (Feb 4, 2020 07:38AM)
A while ago I watched the trailer for a bizarre trick similar to "The Crusade" that instead of cards, used movie posters or tarot cards (I don't remember exactly), but apparently the method was the same. The final revelation was made by two participants who held hands and verbalized their thoughts at the same time. I can't find this trick anymore, could someone help me?
Message: Posted by: Sudo Nimh (Feb 4, 2020 09:46AM)
Qualysoft: The method used in "The Crusade" has been around forever. The basic idea is titled [i]Smyth's Myth[/i], and there are countless versions of it scattered throughout the literature. What "Crusade" offers is a presentational idea; it's value is debatable as the method is nothing new. A particularly lovely version can be found in the pages of Harry Lorayne's "Apocalypse". Numerous others have also explored the idea long ago - including Alex Elmsley.

The bizarre version you are referencing is titled "A Book at Midnight" (produced by Dan Baines) and available at his Lebanon Circle site. This incarnation of the [i]Smyth Myth[/i] is my favourite. It comes with bookmarks printed on thick cardstock with artwork hand produced by Dan himself - and they are absolutely GORGEOUS. They also make complete sense. I have both the Poe and Lovecraft set and would not part with them for anything. If this interests you, I would highly recommend getting them before they are sold out and gone forever.

Finally, I would also look into Bryn Reynold's "Double Down", which comes with casino cards and a poker chip. For a Mentalist, this is a better use of the "Smyth Myth" principle than what is offered in "Crusade" - in my opinion. Bryn's version is also endorsed and used by Richard Osterlind. I've used it (and it is great) though I still favour the previously mentioned "A Book at Midnight" for aesthetic reasons. Oddly enough, the "Book at Midnight" uses a presentational hook which is eerily similar to one of my own using this EXACT same method, but mine uses playing cards and a special something extra. I submit that [i] A Book at Midnight[/i] is a far better approach, and frankly, I wish I had come up with that idea first. :)
Message: Posted by: a brown 1968 (Feb 4, 2020 11:49AM)
I would like to thank those members who have bought the Crusade recently at the $9

Good to read your thoughts Sudo . I only published Crusade after the reactions Atlas obtained when out at his professional bookings . It is all about the scripting , the method is merely a tool for the scripting.

regards

Andrew
Message: Posted by: Sudo Nimh (Feb 4, 2020 12:18PM)
[quote]On Feb 4, 2020, a brown 1968 wrote:

Good to read your thoughts Sudo . I only published Crusade after the reactions Atlas obtained when out at his professional bookings . It is all about the scripting , the method is merely a tool for the scripting.[/quote]

Agreed. My post wasn't intended to detract from Crusade. When I mentioned that it's value was "debatable", I was referring to the fact that there are other ACAAN's befitting a Mentalist that some may find to be of lesser or greater value. As it was pointed out that a bizarre version using the SAME method exists, I was merely relaying the fact that the methodology itself isn't "new" for the simple sake of clarity.

I've used "Crusade", and it's fine. But as far as ACAAN for a Mentalist goes, I think there are stronger methods. That said, it does have a number of favourable things going for it - namely that it can be done impromptu and FASDIU (and even with an incomplete deck) and also, the fact that it can be performed "hands off". Oh, and it's also drop-dead easy. :)

These conditions are not typically common in most versions of the effect.
Message: Posted by: qualysoft (Feb 4, 2020 12:22PM)
[quote]On Feb 4, 2020, Sudo Nimh wrote:
Qualysoft: The method used in "The Crusade" has been around forever. The basic idea is titled [i]Smyth's Myth[/i], and there are countless versions of it scattered throughout the literature. What "Crusade" offers is a presentational idea; it's value is debatable as the method is nothing new. A particularly lovely version can be found in the pages of Harry Lorayne's "Apocalypse". Numerous others have also explored the idea long ago - including Alex Elmsley.

The bizarre version you are referencing is titled "A Book at Midnight" (produced by Dan Baines) and available at his Lebanon Circle site. This incarnation of the [i]Smyth Myth[/i] is my favourite. It comes with bookmarks printed on thick cardstock with artwork hand produced by Dan himself - and they are absolutely GORGEOUS. They also make complete sense. I have both the Poe and Lovecraft set and would not part with them for anything. If this interests you, I would highly recommend getting them before they are sold out and gone forever.

Finally, I would also look into Bryn Reynold's "Double Down", which comes with casino cards and a poker chip. For a Mentalist, this is a better use of the "Smyth Myth" principle than what is offered in "Crusade" - in my opinion. Bryn's version is also endorsed and used by Richard Osterlind. I've used it (and it is great) though I still favour the previously mentioned "A Book at Midnight" for aesthetic reasons. Oddly enough, the "Book at Midnight" uses a presentational hook which is eerily similar to one of my own using this EXACT same method, but mine uses playing cards and a special something extra. I submit that [i] A Book at Midnight[/i] is a far better approach, and frankly, I wish I had come up with that idea first. :) [/quote]

Thanks Sudo! This is exactly what I was looking for.

In addition to being an exceptional creator, you are also a magical encyclopedia.
Message: Posted by: 252life (Feb 4, 2020 03:56PM)
[quote]On Feb 4, 2020, qualysoft wrote:
[quote]On Feb 4, 2020, Sudo Nimh wrote:
Qualysoft: The method used in "The Crusade" has been around forever. The basic idea is titled [i]Smyth's Myth[/i], and there are countless versions of it scattered throughout the literature. What "Crusade" offers is a presentational idea; it's value is debatable as the method is nothing new. A particularly lovely version can be found in the pages of Harry Lorayne's "Apocalypse". Numerous others have also explored the idea long ago - including Alex Elmsley.

The bizarre version you are referencing is titled "A Book at Midnight" (produced by Dan Baines) and available at his Lebanon Circle site. This incarnation of the [i]Smyth Myth[/i] is my favourite. It comes with bookmarks printed on thick cardstock with artwork hand produced by Dan himself - and they are absolutely GORGEOUS. They also make complete sense. I have both the Poe and Lovecraft set and would not part with them for anything. If this interests you, I would highly recommend getting them before they are sold out and gone forever.

Finally, I would also look into Bryn Reynold's "Double Down", which comes with casino cards and a poker chip. For a Mentalist, this is a better use of the "Smyth Myth" principle than what is offered in "Crusade" - in my opinion. Bryn's version is also endorsed and used by Richard Osterlind. I've used it (and it is great) though I still favour the previously mentioned "A Book at Midnight" for aesthetic reasons. Oddly enough, the "Book at Midnight" uses a presentational hook which is eerily similar to one of my own using this EXACT same method, but mine uses playing cards and a special something extra. I submit that [i] A Book at Midnight[/i] is a far better approach, and frankly, I wish I had come up with that idea first. :) [/quote]

Thanks Sudo! This is exactly what I was looking for.

In addition to being an exceptional creator, you are also a magical encyclopedia. [/quote]

Agreed :)
Message: Posted by: Wravyn (Feb 5, 2020 09:33AM)
[quote]On Mar 4, 2017, Ignaz wrote:
Hello! The Crusade was released June 28th 2013... I love it!

But I wonder, were there any improvments to this routine in these 3 and a half years? (I ask beside the Supplement released).

A better handling? Any kind of improvment in the method? Or any new effect, similar, which started right where The Crusade left?

A fantastic and very easy ACAAN. No doubt it is a great work from Atlas Brookings and Andrew Brown. My respects and regards to them.

Thanks [/quote]

It seems like I read somewhere that a handling for this can be performed for one person, which Atlas and Andrew produced. I do not remember the title though.
Message: Posted by: Nathan Alexander (Feb 5, 2020 09:45AM)
[quote]On Feb 5, 2020, Wravyn wrote:
[quote]On Mar 4, 2017, Ignaz wrote:
Hello! The Crusade was released June 28th 2013... I love it!

But I wonder, were there any improvments to this routine in these 3 and a half years? (I ask beside the Supplement released).

A better handling? Any kind of improvment in the method? Or any new effect, similar, which started right where The Crusade left?

A fantastic and very easy ACAAN. No doubt it is a great work from Atlas Brookings and Andrew Brown. My respects and regards to them.

Thanks [/quote]

It seems like I read somewhere that a handling for this can be performed for one person, which Atlas and Andrew produced. I do not remember the title though. [/quote]

Here ya go: "Doctor Jones"
https://themagiccafe.com/forums/viewtopic.php?topic=658367&forum=218&start=40
Message: Posted by: a brown 1968 (Feb 6, 2020 03:07AM)
Please note

The Doctor Jones is not part of the sale offer

regards

Andrew
Message: Posted by: simplymagicweb (Feb 6, 2020 10:49AM)
Thanks for reminding me about this! Since I got this when it was first released, Inject has come along.... This, in conjunction with a marked deck and this effect will be a killer! Can't wait to do it tomorrow night BOOOOM
Message: Posted by: Wravyn (Feb 6, 2020 12:05PM)
Thank you Nathan.
Message: Posted by: bosami (Feb 10, 2020 11:23AM)
[quote]On Jan 29, 2020, a brown 1968 wrote:
One of the nicest aspects of creating the Crusade was meeting people and hearing how they enjoyed performing the Crusade . I still can't believe how long this thread is and all the positive feedback .

I never dreamed that the effect I created , which Atlas then honed and fined tuned through many gigs would be a hit .

Outside my love for creating magic and mentalism effects , I support the education of a family in Asia . In this regard I need to raise additional funds in a short period of time .

Therefore for a period of 2 weeks here on the Café first . The EBOOK of the Crusade will be reduced from $27 to $9 !! - Atlas has already agreed, being the good guy he is for his share of proceeds to go towards the education fund as will mine.

IF you want to buy a copy of the ebook please PM me

Below are the last 2 reviews on penguin magic - the penguin rating is 5 stars

This is one of the best nearly Handsoff Card Routine I ever read.
I love this roten!!!

Yesterday I bought CRUSADE from Penguin. What a great routine this is!
A lot of audience participation and the best ACAAN routine I ever read.


regards

Andrew Brown [/quote]


I am late to the party on this one - but thank goodness I finally made it. What an amazing effect and routine for an absolute steal.
Message: Posted by: kebmo3108 (Jun 30, 2020 02:44PM)
It is talked about Lars´ handling a lot here. I think Crusade is awesome but would be interested in this mysterious "Lars Handling" , I looked through the thread but couldn't find a description what it is and it's not in the manuscript I downloaded either. Could someone advise. Thanks Klaus
Message: Posted by: ltrblst (Jul 27, 2020 11:57PM)
Is there a video of the performance of "The Crusade" floating around?

I searched but found nothing.
Message: Posted by: MC Mirak (Jul 28, 2020 12:13AM)
[quote]On Jun 30, 2020, kebmo3108 wrote:
It is talked about Lars´ handling a lot here. I think Crusade is awesome but would be interested in this mysterious "Lars Handling" , I looked through the thread but couldn't find a description what it is and it's not in the manuscript I downloaded either. Could someone advise. Thanks Klaus [/quote]

I own the hard copy of [i]The Crusade[/i]. Lar's effect is right there. It's listed in the table of contents on page 77 but is actually on page 75 (it's "THE METHOD" that doesn't have as many pages as the TOC indicates if anyone is curious).

It's not in the pdf? Interesting. I personally like Michael Murray's handling, even with 2 people.
Message: Posted by: ipe (Jul 28, 2020 02:22AM)
Does anyone also has John Bannon's "Cross Purposes" (Move Zero vol.3)? I think it has streamlined the method of "The Crusade". What do you think?
Message: Posted by: MC Mirak (Jul 28, 2020 12:56PM)
[quote]On Jul 28, 2020, ipe wrote:
Does anyone also has John Bannon's "Cross Purposes" (Move Zero vol.3)? I think it has streamlined the method of "The Crusade". What do you think? [/quote]

I actually have in my notes about "Cross Purposes" (from Destination Zero, not the Move Zero DVDs) that it is very similar to "The Crusade". I still prefer the Michael Murray handling with some slight modifications.
Message: Posted by: ltrblst (Aug 7, 2020 10:02AM)
[quote]On Jul 28, 2020, ltrblst wrote:
Is there a video of the performance of "The Crusade" floating around?

I searched but found nothing. [/quote]

Still looking for some video demonstration...
Message: Posted by: RNK (Aug 7, 2020 12:09PM)
[quote]On Aug 7, 2020, ltrblst wrote:
[quote]On Jul 28, 2020, ltrblst wrote:
Is there a video of the performance of "The Crusade" floating around?

I searched but found nothing. [/quote]

Still looking for some video demonstration... [/quote]

I don't think there is but that shouldn't deter you from purchasing it!
Message: Posted by: a brown 1968 (Aug 9, 2020 02:12AM)
It’s been a few years since the book and ebook versions were released , checking to see if there is interest if Atlas and I put together a video version of the Crusade to purchase ?

Andrew
Message: Posted by: ltrblst (Aug 9, 2020 02:20AM)
[quote]On Aug 9, 2020, a brown 1968 wrote:
It’s been a few years since the book and ebook versions were released , checking to see if there is interest if Atlas and I put together a video version of the Crusade to purchase ?

Andrew [/quote]

I would be definitely interested.

Also I'd like to see a video of the performance or some demo, even if not complete, just to get a good idea of the product.