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Topic: Getting friendly with your ITR.
Message: Posted by: JackDaniel (Dec 3, 2003 08:31AM)
Hi Gang,
Been playing around with my ITR for a while now, but I still lack the great routine.
Thought you guys had some good ideas to where I could get a neat DVD that covers all aspects of this great prop.

Regardz
Jack
Message: Posted by: JesterJ (Dec 3, 2003 10:15AM)
I've got a couple of tapes from Sorcery I've got a couple of tapes from Sorcery Manufacturing and I've got the Michael Ammar "Easy To Master Thread Miracles" tapes (1-3). I've also got the Steve Fearsonís "Threadhead" tape. Of all of these, the Ammar tapes are the most useful. They cover more than just ITRs, but learning more about IT helped me realize things I could do with the reel.

Jester J
Message: Posted by: Silvester (Dec 3, 2003 01:07PM)
I think I have to get the Ammar tapes too, to get my IT stuff running.
Message: Posted by: kihei kid (Dec 3, 2003 03:22PM)
Michael Ammar's "Easy to Master Thread Miracles".
Message: Posted by: JackDaniel (Dec 4, 2003 03:20AM)
Thanks.
Guess it's the best source out there.
Kind of weird if it's nothing just on the ITR, cause a pro could easily make an hour long lecture on that. Just think of stuff like: routines, handling, hook-ups, spectator management, maintenance etc.
But, Ammarís Thread Miracles is supposed to be great though. It will do for now.

Jack
Message: Posted by: Eirik (Dec 4, 2003 09:59AM)
:rotf:
Do that Jack.
Practice well and keep us up to date.
If you get the all knowledge required to make your own DVD on the ITR, I'll be sure to order a copy. :)

-e-
Message: Posted by: Kjellstrom (Dec 4, 2003 11:47AM)
Remember to always check the light BEFORE you use your ITR. Thatís my experience over the years.
Message: Posted by: Silvester (Dec 5, 2003 06:59AM)
I have a problem with my practice:
I don't know if my movements are good. I can film it on camera, or watch me in the mirror.
Silly question: How do I know if my movements are good?
Message: Posted by: Eirik (Dec 5, 2003 09:50AM)
Hello Silvester,
You should try to tape your movements during 3-4 different tricks, if you can try to add that natural flow to your IT routine - you are good to go.
Being natural, acting just as surprised as your audience to the levitation keeps them on their toes and you on the verve of success.

-e-
Message: Posted by: BobbyJ (Dec 6, 2003 12:35PM)
Micheal Ammarís tapes "Easy to Master Thread Miracles", that's how I got my start. Thread tricks are some of my most requested... :thumbsup:
Message: Posted by: silverfire9 (Dec 6, 2003 02:36PM)
I don't have a great routine set up yet, either, for similar reasons. There's not much out there specifically about ITRs, it seems. I'll have to check out The Sorcery's stuff when I get a chance.

That said, I was watching Ammar's thread DVDs and came to a realization about the one point hookup he demonstrates. An ITR could be used for that, so I tried that out and it works. It works a little differently than the "real" version does, but it works. And you can do things with the ITR version that you can't with the "real" one.

And I know you can do a LeClair-type hookup with an ITR, as well as the more "traditional," I guess, floating bill hookup. Plus the Hummer card effect is really easy with an ITR.

There's most likely a lot more uses and hookups available that I haven't seen or discovered yet, and I'm looking forward to learning them. :D
Message: Posted by: Kjellstrom (Dec 7, 2003 04:30AM)
TIP:
A great routine for an ITR is Kevin James Floating Rose. I have seen Kevin do it live and it looks extremely good. Even David Copperfield does it in his shows.
Message: Posted by: Expertmagician (Dec 7, 2003 10:33PM)
Silly question, since they now sell invisible thread over the counter at a couple of Vegas magic shops in hotels to the public...

has anyone been called on using "invisible thread" for floating effects ?

I usually keep an eye on what magic is available to the public and stop performing it.

Jeff :worry:
Message: Posted by: silverfire9 (Dec 8, 2003 01:18AM)
All magic is available to the public, in my opinion. Whether "the public" gets it from a website or a brick and mortar, they can still get it. I happen to think that's a good thing, since I'm a member of "the public." ;) Yeah, I'm a magician, too, but it's (so far) only a hobby and I don't make money at it.

Anyway, to answer your question, it all depends. I'm not the greatest at magic yet, and thus don't perform outside of a somewhat limited circle, but ... Some of the spectators are aware of IT (for whatever reason), or they can reason out its existence. Others just see the effect, are impressed, and don't try to figure out how it was done.

I'm usually only called on it if I perform it in bad lighting. That's part of the reason I limit my performance currently. Most of the people I perform for already know the secret, so I can make mistakes in front of them without fear of exposure.

Back to the issue of not performing publicly available magic now. Yesterday, I showed a coworker the Hot Rod, which I rarely use because of it's looking like a prop, etc. Anyway, he was impressed by it. How long has the Hot Rod been sold over the counter at magic shops?

IT, also, has been sold over the counter at magic shops for a while, too. Five or six years ago, in fact, I bought a bunch of IT at a magic shop near me.

The point is most spectators don't know all the secrets. Heck, most of them probably don't know *any* of the secrets. And even if they do, if the presentation is right, they won't care.

I wouldn't worry about whether "the public" knows about a certain trick/gimmick/whatever. Worry instead about presentation. You can have the most unknown trick in the world and if your presentation is bad, no one will enjoy it. And the secret might even get revealed.

Also, if you're worried about people suspecting the IT, you can use it for non-floating effects. According to the Ammar DVDs I have, Finn Jon prefers to *not* float things; just make them move a little in an impossible way. The DVD even has a method for using an ITR and a cup in a chop cup routine.
Message: Posted by: Eirik (Dec 8, 2003 04:56AM)
True Sillverfire9.
Majority of people don't know any magic at all, but unfortunately the few that do may "sabotage" your act with phrases like: "he's using thread" or "l know how he does that trick- it's easy",
Guess every working magician has experienced that in some way, and after you experienced it for the first time you may start to think of a ways to "get out" or to "get back at him",
Humor is an important thing in a situation like this, even though it is very difficult and you think the guy is a jerk, and the only thing you want to do is smack him really good, it's crucial not to "loose your head" better yet - continue up with a trick that floors just that guy and you'll be the hero. :) :applause:

True as you say, Finn Jon has all kinds knowledge on variations with thread and Loops which doesnít involve anything floating around, objects are rather moving or balancing, and that make the skeptic spectator really start to wonder.

IT is truly one of magic most memorable props!

-e-
Message: Posted by: JackDaniel (Dec 8, 2003 08:58AM)
Eirik, does Finn Jon have any Videos or booklets out on these loops? Heís sold his invention as far as I know.
Message: Posted by: JesterJ (Dec 8, 2003 11:16AM)
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On 2003-12-06 15:36, silverfire9 wrote:
I don't have a great routine set up yet, either, for similar reasons. There's not much out there specifically about ITRs, it seems. I'll have to check out The Sorcery's stuff when I get a chance.

That said, I was watching Ammar's thread DVDs and came to a realization about the one point hookup he demonstrates. An ITR could be used for that, so I tried that out and it works. It works a little differently than the "real" version does, but it works. And you can do things with the ITR version that you can't with the "real" one.

And I know you can do a LeClair-type hookup with an ITR, as well as the more "traditional," I guess, floating bill hookup. Plus the Hummer card effect is really easy with an ITR.

There's most likely a lot more uses and hookups available that I haven't seen or discovered yet, and I'm looking forward to learning them. :D
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I have two or three tapes from Sorcery Manufacturing. I think that James George is a very creative guy, but the tapes aren't very well made and he's not nearly the teacher that Michael is. The best moves in the Sorcery tapes (IMHO) are the cups and balls move, using a ring to "prove" there's no string, and the ghostly nut and bolt. All of these are (and more) are shown on the Michael Ammar tapes. James George joins him to show some of this, so it's more an issue of good teaching technique for me. I'll make you a deal on the Sorcery tapes, if you're interested ;)

Jester J
Message: Posted by: silverfire9 (Dec 9, 2003 12:51AM)
[quote]
On 2003-12-08 12:16, JesterJ wrote:
I have two or three tapes from Sorcery Manufacturing. I think that James George is a very creative guy, but the tapes aren't very well made and he's not nearly the teacher that Michael is. The best moves in the Sorcery tapes (IMHO) are the cups and balls move, using a ring to "prove" there's no string, and the ghostly nut and bolt. All of these are (and more) are shown on the Michael Ammar tapes. James George joins him to show some of this, so it's more an issue of good teaching technique for me. I'll make you a deal on the Sorcery tapes, if you're interested ;)

Jester J
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I might be interested. Even if he's not as good a teacher as Ammar (and I agree about that; I've watched all 3 of the Ammar IT DVDs), I'm sure there's still stuff to be picked up.

As a side note, it appears that they're no longer on his site. I was looking so I could see how much the videos cost, and the only place I saw any of them was in a package deal, where he includes the second video. Hmm.
Message: Posted by: JesterJ (Dec 9, 2003 01:00PM)
[quote]
On 2003-12-09 01:51, silverfire9 wrote:
[quote]
On 2003-12-08 12:16, JesterJ wrote:
I have two or three tapes from Sorcery Manufacturing. I think that James George is a very creative guy, but the tapes aren't very well made and he's not nearly the teacher that Michael is. The best moves in the Sorcery tapes (IMHO) are the cups and balls move, using a ring to "prove" there's no string, and the ghostly nut and bolt. All of these are (and more) are shown on the Michael Ammar tapes. James George joins him to show some of this, so it's more an issue of good teaching technique for me. I'll make you a deal on the Sorcery tapes, if you're interested ;)

Jester J
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I might be interested. Even if he's not as good a teacher as Ammar (and I agree about that; I've watched all 3 of the Ammar IT DVDs), I'm sure there's still stuff to be picked up.

As a side note, it appears that they're no longer on his site. I was looking so I could see how much the videos cost, and the only place I saw any of them was in a package deal, where he includes the second video. Hmm.
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I agree, they aren't horrible, and there are some ingenious ideas there for what you can do with the ITR. I just find that I haven't gone back to them as much as I have the others.

Jester J
Message: Posted by: bunkyhenry (Dec 20, 2003 10:10AM)
[quote]
On 2003-12-07 23:33, Expertmagician wrote:
Silly question, since they now sell invisible thread over the counter at a couple of Vegas magic shops in hotels to the public...
has anyone been called on using "invisible thread" for floating effects?[/quote]
I was "called" on it during my "Jumpin Jackson" routine last night at a party.
Funny thing though, that effect uses only a TT.
Message: Posted by: JackDaniel (Dec 29, 2003 04:17PM)
I have an old ITR, don't know what it's called though, but it's so #*!"=+# hard to fix when the thread breaks. Any suggestions on which ITR is the easiest to fix would be nice. :rolleyes:
Jack.
Message: Posted by: Sk8rDave (Jan 19, 2004 08:10PM)
This is to JackDaniel but could be useful to anyone interested.

The absolute easiest to fix is the pager reel. It comes in half and you have instant access to he thread. However, it's not the easiest to work with and you're stuck with a fake pager on your belt. Also, I don't know if they are being made anymore.

The super micro is small enough that you can easily get in there and manipulate the core to gain access to the thread. The micro is probably about the same. The thread boss is difficult for me to fix because I have to remove one of the caps to suck the thread out and removing a cap makes it off center so the thread is no longer directly under the hole.

The best thing to do is turn on a bright light, work over a white sheet of paper and look for the end. That will make fixing it a lot easier. Also, if you work with the micro, that's got a good range so you are less likely to break it in the first place.

Good Luck,

Dave
Message: Posted by: ykstem (Jan 23, 2004 03:46PM)
To answer JackD's original question, one of the things you might want to consider is, rather than looking for an extended itr routine, to look for a series of related effects that an itr effect might fit into.

for ex - I open my act now with a 4 phase routine: 1) I produce a silk from the air, then 2) turn it into a dollar bill (tt for both); then 3)take the bill and do a pen thru dollar effect (doug edwards wonder penetration), then 4) conclude by taking the same dollar bill and making it float. when I'm done, I
give the dollar bill to a spectator as a souvenier.
Message: Posted by: orbit17 (Feb 16, 2004 08:24AM)
The LeClair book has some nice routines in it that may be of intrest to you
Message: Posted by: Partizan (Feb 21, 2004 12:55AM)
Like ykstem says but...

If I am showing cards I will incorporate an IT effect into the card routines. Coins, then I will float a coin. ect.

I tend to use it to aid other illusions and not as an independent effect.
Message: Posted by: Bob Johnston (Feb 21, 2004 12:06PM)
JackDaniel:
You may want to check out R. Paul Wilsonís 13. It is available on his website as an e-book for $10.00.
He has a wonderful routine there that is unusual.
Bob
Message: Posted by: chappy (Feb 21, 2004 04:51PM)
Check out Finn Jon's book, Invisible Elastic Thread.
It has many great ideas for thread workers including loads of suggestions and routines with loops.
By the way, Kevin James Floating Rose does not use an ITR though it could be adapted. IMO the best use of IT is when used for subtle movements and animations rather than levitations.
Message: Posted by: phantomace (Feb 21, 2004 05:36PM)
My favorite is Blooms rising ring on pencil! This is the best ITR trick I've seen! Worth a check out.
Message: Posted by: C.J. (Apr 4, 2004 05:27PM)
[quote]
...the Hummer card effect is really easy with an ITR...[/quote]

Darn right, as I discovered just a few days ago. It's very impressive to start with just a "boomerang card" concept, then tell your audience that with the right spin you can do *THIS* (proceed to hover the card!)
Message: Posted by: Richard Lucas (Apr 9, 2004 08:40PM)
Again, as I have done elsewhere on the Cafť I strongly recommend Jon LeClaire's DVD "Who's Afraid of Invisible Thread?" Jon's presentation style makes it easy to understand. I learned it the first night after being on a 20 year hiatus from performing, and I'm only a hobbyist. His book is also excellent with good drawings of how to do it.

I used a reel and found them to be more trouble than just using a plain 'ol set up. I just tried attaching the thread to the back of a pen with some of LeClaire's Putty; the pen is in my shirt pocket. The other end I keep under a fold in my shirt or behind my belt. I keep a few spares in my wallet wrapped around a card. If needed, a trip to the bathroom and I'm set up again in 1-2 minutes.

*******

Jon LeClaire's web site is: http://www.leclairanimator.com/contact/index.shtml
Message: Posted by: Alan Morgan (Jun 20, 2004 09:10PM)
I never have the confidence to use ITRs.
Message: Posted by: Silvester (Jun 26, 2004 09:28AM)
Is there any book or dvd which teaches close up ITR stuff?
I think if you float a dollar close up, then you can use a horizontal hookup. Wwith the ITR you can only walk away (and still float).
Hehe... now correct me: what you can do when you float a dollar in a close-up situation with the ITR? :)
Message: Posted by: Alouf (Jun 29, 2004 12:33AM)
Hi Maxwell,

Just wanted to let you know that your web store is truly awesome!

When will you catually be offering Sorcery Manufacturing's ITR on your website? Will they carry the same price tag as Fun's? And how would one identify the Fun's mini and the super Mini and the SM's ones?

Thanks for your reply.
Message: Posted by: 007mystic (Jun 29, 2004 02:06PM)
Kevin James does a great effect with goldfish crackers and IT. The goldfish comes to life after floating out of a bowl of goldfish crackers. It is one of the most effective loading routines due to the ending and the amount of people who recognize goldfish crackers.