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Topic: Darwin Ortiz memorized deck magic
Message: Posted by: Close.Up.Dave (Dec 3, 2003 09:36PM)
I'm unsure of what book to get by Darwin Ortiz on memorized deck magic. I have a lot of Simon Aronson's books (All except Aronson Approach and Sessions) and I notice that Simon has this "hands off"/mentalism look to it which I like. But I was hoping that Darwin Ortiz has some material that doesn't look so much like mentalism. Does anyone know what book I should get? If he doesn't then that's fine but I've heard good things about his memorized deck stuff so if someone could also give a description of an effect or 2 that would be great.

Dave
Message: Posted by: Craig Krisulevicz (Dec 3, 2003 09:56PM)
There are many memorized stack effects in Darwin Ortiz's book Scams & Fantasies. I'll just quote two from the book.

One trick that uses a memorized stack is Maximum Risk. The descirption from the book is as follows: "A spectator selects a card. The performer then repeatedly eliminates half of the cards until only one remains. This proves to be the selected card."

Another is "the Last Laugh" ---"The performer claims that he can instanly trap and card the spectator names between two face-up cards he holds. It appears, at first, to have all been a gag. But, eventually the performer makes good on his claim in an amazing way."

Also, if you are into mneumonics, you can perform "shark attack" Quote- "Starting with a shuffled deck, the performer offers to demonstrate how a professional can gain an edge at poker using either psychology or sleight of hand. First, he identifiesa spectator's card by reading his tells. Then he produces any poker hand requested by a spectator by cutting to the required cards. Finally, he deals himself any hand called for in a poker game, then improves it to a royal flush."

I hope that helps you out.
Message: Posted by: Kjellstrom (Dec 4, 2003 12:29AM)
Read my small review for: Scams & Fantasies here:
http://www.mastermagic.info/articles.php?articleId=2
Message: Posted by: Pablo Tejero (Dec 4, 2003 03:00AM)
I agree. Take a look at Scams & Fantasies. It was one of the best books I could buy this year.

As Dave said, Darwin┤s effects with a memorized deck are great because they don┤t seem mentalism. And I will add too because they are direct, powerful, and very magical effects.

All the best magic,

Pablo Tejero :bikes:
Message: Posted by: Chris Thibault (Dec 4, 2003 06:37AM)
I agree,Scams & Fantasies is great, don't forget his routine in there called "ZenMaster"
Message: Posted by: david_a_whitehead (Dec 4, 2003 07:28AM)
There are 4 mem deck effects out of 30 in his scams and fantasies book. aronson's work on the topic is better IMO. but that doesn't mean scams isn't good...it is excellent. I really like his liar's poker and some of this other stuff.
Message: Posted by: Craig Krisulevicz (Dec 4, 2003 10:07AM)
Yes, besides the 4 memorized deck effects, Darwin has a ton of killer material in the book. The Brush, for example always makes heads turn and make you out to be a professional.
Message: Posted by: Sanj Singh (Oct 20, 2012 09:21PM)
Scams and Fantasies is one of the best magic books I've ever read - the stack stuff is good, tricky, but worth practicing. The other stuff is just as good - if not better. Highly recommended.
Message: Posted by: Jack Crafter (Oct 24, 2012 10:38AM)
I second Chris Thibault on this one. Zen Master is brilliant. Very hard hitting and well thought out :).
Message: Posted by: Dennis Loomis (Nov 21, 2012 04:23PM)
Right on, Jack! Zen Master is an absolutely incredible routine. If you learn it and do it, I think you will have gotten your moneys worth from the "Scams and Fantasies" Book. Unless you are left handed, you will need to come up with a little something for the very beginning of the routine. If you like, PM me as I have a couple of ideas I would be happy to share.

Dennis Loomis

Call me "Denny"
Message: Posted by: Justin W. (Nov 22, 2012 12:54AM)
S&F has some killer material. Just stay away from that inane handling of Smiling Mule.

Justin
Message: Posted by: Justin W. (Nov 22, 2012 08:23PM)
S&F has some killer material. Just stay away from that inane handling of Smiling Mule.

Justin
Message: Posted by: SIX (Nov 24, 2012 11:09PM)
You can get a download from Vanishing Inc. right now as well.
Message: Posted by: Zack_Johnston (Oct 26, 2014 10:13PM)
[quote]On Nov 25, 2012, SIX wrote:
You can get a download from Vanishing Inc. right now as well. [/quote]

Here's a link in case anyone's interested: https://www.vanishingincmagic.com/magic-downloads/card-magic-downloads/darwin-ortiz-on-memorized-deck/
Message: Posted by: Kjellstrom (Oct 28, 2014 04:21AM)
This routine is a killer effect, Last Laugh by Darwin Ortiz:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iEIRPYI9wb0

One of my favorites, ever...
Message: Posted by: Kjellstrom (Oct 28, 2014 04:42AM)
Test Your Luck by Darwin Ortiz, a very good memorized deck routine.
Effect: A spectator names any card. She then inserts a random card anywhere into the deck.
In the process, she herself locates the card that she named.

Page 255 in Lessons In Card Mastery.

This effect is a true worker, I have done the effect 100s of times since I bought the book.
I give Test Your Luck 10 out of 10.

You can also learn the effect from this excellent video download:
http://www.penguinmagic.com/p/3738
Message: Posted by: Lo´cJ. (Oct 28, 2014 08:58AM)
Yes, I agree with Kjellstorm.
In his last book "Lessons in Card Mastery" there are around 30 effects. Maybe one third of the tricks requires a mem deck. I think it's a good place to start !
Message: Posted by: GreenKnight33 (Dec 13, 2016 12:53AM)
Got the Test Your Luck from Vanishing Inc. loved the effect and handling is great. I've been looking for a Mem deck effect for estimation and this fits the bill great.

GreeKnight
Message: Posted by: Ahlichs (Feb 11, 2017 03:24PM)
I really love his "Card Sense". It's in Lessons in Card Mastery, as well as his At the Table Lecture, and the "Darwin Ortiz on the Memorized Deck" download. Really great effect, plays well for groups.
Message: Posted by: avasatu (Feb 11, 2017 03:34PM)
Lessons in Card Mastery contains the most workers overall, but Scams has things like Zen Master, of which I think you should be aware.
Message: Posted by: avasatu (Feb 11, 2017 04:33PM)
The best Ortiz routines using a mem deck, IMO, are:

Best of the Best (Lessons in Card Mastery)
Zen Master (Scams and Fantasies)
Double Tap (Lessons)

Billion Dollar Brain (Lessons)

I like Test Your Luck and Last Laugh as well, but I think Michael Close's "Luckiest Cards in Las Vegas" puts almost the same ideas into a full routine (though I like how Ortiz implements his estimation technique).
Message: Posted by: Sanks (Feb 18, 2017 05:23PM)
For Best of the Best, any ideas for an alternative ending, instead of a centre deal?
Message: Posted by: avasatu (Feb 18, 2017 07:10PM)
[quote]On Feb 18, 2017, Sanks wrote:
For Best of the Best, any ideas for an alternative ending, instead of a centre deal? [/quote]

I don't do the center deal. I just go straight into Best of the Best 2. I consider them one routine both together.
Message: Posted by: Sanks (Feb 19, 2017 05:52AM)
[quote]On Feb 18, 2017, avasatu wrote:
[quote]On Feb 18, 2017, Sanks wrote:
For Best of the Best, any ideas for an alternative ending, instead of a centre deal? [/quote]

I don't do the center deal. I just go straight into Best of the Best 2. I consider them one routine both together. [/quote]

Excellent idea, is the farro necessary for Best of the Best 2? Why not just do false riffle shuffles?
Message: Posted by: avasatu (Feb 19, 2017 04:28PM)
You need a faro, yes. The idea is to make the shuffle very open, show them the cards are physically mixed, and even let them push the cards together. Additionally, in the first phase of Best of the Best 2, you tell the spectator his named card's position (the card from Best of the Best 1). If you only used false shuffles, that position would not change, which would be super suspicious.
Message: Posted by: Kjellstrom (Apr 26, 2019 10:43AM)
At page 277 in the great book Lessons in card mastery you can learn a great routine called Sorcerers Apprentice. Try it, I think yo will like it.
Message: Posted by: sandromagic (May 2, 2019 08:19AM)
Time to polish up my faro.