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Topic: "Born" - a ball manipulation DVD
Message: Posted by: AbsoluteZero (Jul 2, 2013 10:05AM)
To all manipulative enthusiasts,

My friend Bond Lee has made his first tutorial. After months and months of hard work,this DVD is widely available now :)
http://www.murphysmagic.com/Product.aspx?id=51436

Here is an HD version of the demo:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eaqYqNCk3WY

A TV performance including the visual pocket watch vanish:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SngIpXpoyxc

And the teaser. lol
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zLiIHizRY2E

I am proud to be a participant of this project. Hope you guys enjoy it!
Feel free to discuss and ask any question.

Best regards,
Ian
Message: Posted by: RJH (Jul 2, 2013 10:18AM)
I just ordered it from Penguin magic, I'm waiting forward for it to come! I have 2 questions: Does Bond only Explain double and triple shell techniques or is there any single shell techniques and does he talk about steals and loads?

RJH
Message: Posted by: AbsoluteZero (Jul 2, 2013 10:38AM)
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On 2013-07-02 11:18, RJH wrote:
I just ordered it from Penguin magic, I'm waiting forward for it to come! I have 2 questions: Does Bond only Explain double and triple shell techniques or is there any single shell techniques and does he talk about steals and loads?

RJH
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1. Bond and me will both explain those techniques. Yes, there are some single shell applications included.

2. This DVD generally uses table loads. That's a good suggestion, we will consider to include that in our future projects.
Message: Posted by: Bill Hegbli (Jul 2, 2013 07:15PM)
Can't wait to get this DVD. I am surprised AbsoluteZero did not announce the DVD finally on the market, I was patiently awaiting it's release.

Side note: I believe the proper English terms is "Bond and I". Who is I anyway? :)
Message: Posted by: JamesinLA (Jul 2, 2013 08:47PM)
Very good work!

Jim
Message: Posted by: AbsoluteZero (Jul 2, 2013 10:30PM)
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On 2013-07-02 20:15, Bill Hegbli wrote:
Can't wait to get this DVD. I am surprised AbsoluteZero did not announce the DVD finally on the market, I was patiently awaiting it's release.

Side note: I believe the proper English terms is "Bond and I". Who is I anyway? :)
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Please give us some comments when you have finished watching it :)

There were technical issues to be solved and hence the delay, thank you for your patience.
Message: Posted by: Bill Hegbli (Jul 6, 2013 12:45AM)
My copy should be here tomorrow, Saturday, July 6, 2013.

From the looks of the trailer, there will be nothing but good things to say, though.
Message: Posted by: RJH (Jul 6, 2013 07:01AM)
I received my DVD yesterday. It is great! Very well explained! Bond and Ian explain techniques, flourishes and bonus stuff. There is also 2 routines performed and explained. Great buy!

RJH
Message: Posted by: Bill Hegbli (Jul 6, 2013 12:47PM)
My DVD arrived this morning, I went through the topics and gleaned the material presented.

I must say the Bond Lee is talented, nice looking performer, with a little curl in his smile while he is performing that says, "See what I just did?" It makes me smile and laugh a little. And he is a fellow Chavez Graduate! For all you "nay sayer's", he is differently not any kind of clone manipulator!

What you are getting is his material as presented in his Billiard Ball act. He shows every move and handling in close up camera work. He speaks very good English, and I don't know why he did not verbalize his instructions. He just showed each move once and the methods twice, with text on screen.

I can say all the people that bought the 2 inch and 2.25 inch Billiard Balls will not be able to use this size ball for any of the moves. It would just be impossible to stretch your fingers that far to sequence the moves for the productions.

Leaning the 1 to 4 and the color productions will enhance anyone's Billiard Ball routine to the standing ovation class. It is time well spent to learn this technique.

I purchased this DVD to find out as much as I can about the 1 to 4 one hand production technique, and these video have answered many of questions.

It did not cover the face of the palm toward audience productions, so I am still looking forward to that method being revealed one day by someone.

None of the material is what I would call easy, except the Laurie Ireland Ball Through Silk trick, where the ball is shown halfway through the silk handkerchief.

If anyone reading this is interested in learning the ultimate Billiard Ball productions, then I highly recommend this DVD be added to your learning process.

The book mentioned in the add, is only an 8 page pamphlet that on 5 pages Bond Lee introduces himself and give some very good advice on performing and what a magician is and things he should consider and be aware of when performing magic. Actually, it is much of the same things I have been attempting to get across on the Café to so many people that post questions.

The DVD is nicely produced and does not overwhelm the person like the McBride videos that throws so much information at the person watching, he becomes totally confused. Each segment is broken down, so it is easy to go to any section and study the moves in a relative short time so he can get back to practicing.

I don't think speed is the required process, as one learns the moves smoothness and quickness will come naturally. So go slow and learn the move and it should all fall into place for the learning student.
Message: Posted by: bojanbarisic (Jul 6, 2013 01:27PM)
Actually Bill it is not impossible to perform any of those moves with larger balls. I have been using 2 1/8 for many years and even though my hands are not very large I can do 1-4 with easy. One of the moves on that DVD that is quite difficult to perform with any size of the balls is my Elevator change that Ian performed and explained. That move too I perform with 2 1/8 inch balls. Just don`t give up and play with the moves for some time. Many sleights and juggling bits are very advanced and will take time to master. Regarding 1-4 or 2-8 with palm toward the audience... Ian is a master of it. Since inventor of that technique planned to produce his own DVD this year I don`t think it will take long before you have it in your hands with all information how to perform it but that technique is really very difficult to perform especially the final twist of a shell.

best,
Bojan Barisic
Message: Posted by: AbsoluteZero (Jul 6, 2013 02:25PM)
Bill,
2" ball is about the maximum size that I can handle, but I feel more comfortable with ~1.75".

The DVD covers one move on "palm toward audience" production. Check out "In Your Face" and "The Elevator Change".

Yeah this DVD is designed for intermediate/advanced ball manipulators.

I hope the booklet didn't give you a hard time reading it, since I did the text/translation. :P

As far as I can see, the inventor which Bojan mentioned is unlikely going to publish his materials any time soon.
Let's see if Bond will invite him, if there is a future billiard ball project.

Thanks a lot for your comments!

Best regards,
Ian
Message: Posted by: yin_howe (Jul 7, 2013 01:27AM)
I'm getting this directly from Bond Lee (Jah Bond) when he comes to Malaysia in August.
Message: Posted by: Bill Hegbli (Jul 9, 2013 04:44AM)
Guys, If you can get Sandy Chang to be the teacher on the next video, it would make me happy and boost sales as well. Her "Palm toward Audience" productions are perfection.

AbsoluteZero, I did notice a misplaced word in booklet. Just the wrong word for the explanation. I also noticed that a famous magicians 1st name was misspelled in the credits at the end.

If you want to know what, let me know, I will go over it again for you.
Message: Posted by: miltos (Jul 9, 2013 05:34PM)
Born is a dvd for making the next step to your typical billiard ball routine.The video quality is very good.You will need serious practise to do the sleights.But when you master only half of the sleights you will have a next generation act.Also Bond,Ian and Bojan are very helpful guys and don't hesitate to ask them anything.Higly reccomended from me.
Miltos
p.s.I am waiting for a new project
Message: Posted by: AbsoluteZero (Jul 10, 2013 10:05AM)
Bill,

Thanks for pointing out the errors.


Miltos,

Thanks for supporting our work. Give the time which the moves deserve and you will be greatly rewarded. Have fun with them!


Ian
Message: Posted by: Intrepid (Jul 20, 2013 12:41AM)
I'm having problems with the shell sticking. What brand of manipulation balls are you using?
Message: Posted by: AbsoluteZero (Jul 20, 2013 12:50AM)
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On 2013-07-20 01:41, Intrepid wrote:
I'm having problems with the shell sticking. What brand of manipulation balls are you using?
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Me and Bond used a mixture of Fakini, JL and JieLi. What brand are you using?
Message: Posted by: Bill Hegbli (Jul 20, 2013 12:55AM)
I place a small rubber circle pad in my shells, this gives me more room for my fingers to grip the shell in the proper place for my size fingers, and it helps with the ball not sticking. One has to make sure they hold the shells in the correct place so the ball will roll out easily. This of course is a different spot for every person depending on the thickness of their fingers.
Message: Posted by: Intrepid (Jul 21, 2013 01:28AM)
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On 2013-07-20 01:50, AbsoluteZero wrote:
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On 2013-07-20 01:41, Intrepid wrote:
I'm having problems with the shell sticking. What brand of manipulation balls are you using?
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Me and Bond used a mixture of Fakini, JL and JieLi. What brand are you using?
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I'm using 2" Fakini. I'll give Bill's suggestion a try. I believe Levent also prepares his shell like that.
Thanks
Message: Posted by: AbsoluteZero (Jul 21, 2013 06:33AM)
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On 2013-07-21 02:28, Intrepid wrote:
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On 2013-07-20 01:50, AbsoluteZero wrote:
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On 2013-07-20 01:41, Intrepid wrote:
I'm having problems with the shell sticking. What brand of manipulation balls are you using?
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Me and Bond used a mixture of Fakini, JL and JieLi. What brand are you using?
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I'm using 2" Fakini. I'll give Bill's suggestion a try. I believe Levent also prepares his shell like that.
Thanks
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The circle pad is a good idea.

Personally I didn't apply a pad inside the shell. I kept the stack pretty loose for those moves.
Message: Posted by: Bill Hegbli (Jul 21, 2013 04:24PM)
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On 2013-07-21 07:33, AbsoluteZero wrote:
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On 2013-07-21 02:28, Intrepid wrote:
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On 2013-07-20 01:50, AbsoluteZero wrote:
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On 2013-07-20 01:41, Intrepid wrote:
I'm having problems with the shell sticking. What brand of manipulation balls are you using?
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Me and Bond used a mixture of Fakini, JL and JieLi. What brand are you using?
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I'm using 2" Fakini. I'll give Bill's suggestion a try. I believe Levent also prepares his shell like that.
Thanks
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The circle pad is a good idea.

Personally I didn't apply a pad inside the shell. I kept the stack pretty loose for those moves.
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It is a personal body thing American's are just larger people then Asian people, thus it is harder to get the fingers positioned in the correct place. I decided on this method after finding that I would drop the shells because they were not in the proper position between the fingers. I wear a finger ring size of 11, thus there is not way to be in the correct position without some spacers. The ball and shell has to be able to pivot over the respective fingers. This is the only way I found to keep everything in the proper position to work correctly.

Just a method that is working for me, and making it less difficult.
Message: Posted by: Intrepid (Jul 21, 2013 09:39PM)
I should of said this before, but I am impressed with the Born DVD and would recommend it to anyone looking take their billard ball manipulation to the next level. As Bill noted above, the presentations are clear and easy to follow. The moves will take practice to master. A giant thank you to everyone involved in the production of this DVD.

Bob
Message: Posted by: AbsoluteZero (Jul 28, 2013 05:30AM)
Intrepid:

Thank you for the support.
Message: Posted by: gchen99 (Jul 30, 2013 03:24AM)
Looks interesting. thinking about learnning Ballard ball. Very elegant.
but I can't even do every well with what I've learned lol
Message: Posted by: AbsoluteZero (Jul 30, 2013 01:06PM)
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On 2013-07-30 04:24, gchen99 wrote:
Looks interesting. thinking about learnning Ballard ball. Very elegant.
but I can't even do every well with what I've learned lol
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Take your time and you will get there.
Message: Posted by: AbsoluteZero (Aug 16, 2013 02:11AM)
FYI guys, there are two types of packaging of 'born' available in the market now.
The DVD either comes in black case or translucent (white) case.
Both of them are genuine copies, so don't worry about it. :)

Ian
Message: Posted by: Dick Oslund (Aug 16, 2013 06:20AM)
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On 2013-07-06 13:47, Bill Hegbli wrote:


None of the material is what I would call easy, except the Laurie Ireland Ball Through Silk trick, where the ball is shown halfway through the silk handkerchief.


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Hi Bill! Thanks for the fine comments on the routine. This young man has "done his homework"!

The BALL THRU SILK PENETRATION>>>I've used this since 1953. At the MAES convention in Lancaster, PA, I "invested" ONE DOLLAR with Wilfrid Syltten (sp?) who worked with the stage name: SATAN! I think he was a "dealer" in PA. He was walking around the convention floor, selling "his" method for a buck.

Awhile later, I picked up a booklet written by a Walter Schwartz in >>1931<<. The booklet was a "collection" of tricks by "contributors". BILL WILLISTON had contributed the BALL THRU SILK (as a close up trick). Whether Laurie did it first, is a possibility, but I'm inclined to think that Williston "invente
My pals Billy McComb and Neil Foster also used it for years. (I believe Billy did it on one of the Stevens tapes about 20 years ago. He said he found it most useful when doing a TV spot where he only had a minute or less.)

I've always wondered why more magicians haven't picked it up and used it.

I did the John Booth multiplying ball routine when I was 16, and kept it "in" for about 12 years (I think). I finally realized that the Williston penetration and the Percy Abbott Perpetual Balls got more and better response than the multiplying segment of the routine. For the past 48 +/- years,I start with a few flourishes and do those two bits. It's a STRONG three minutes!

Jay knew Williston. I wish that I had discussed it with Jay.

Again, thanks for your scholarly comments!
Message: Posted by: Bill Hegbli (Aug 16, 2013 11:03AM)
Dick Oslund, you make me blush! :blush:
Message: Posted by: AbsoluteZero (Aug 19, 2013 10:04AM)
Big thanks to Bojan for doing the crediting for this DVD! :)
Message: Posted by: Dick Oslund (Aug 19, 2013 10:47AM)
Bill H?>>>>>>>No need to blush! Your comment caught my eye, and since I've used the ball penetration so long, I just wanted to "set the record straight".

It IS possible that Laurie was first, but, I knew Frances for 40 + years, and she never mentioned it (nor did Jay).

Laurie was definitely an inventive and very clever performer. --and YOU are a very well informed magician!

I remember (about 50+ years ago) working out of my little prop case. I thought I had a very practical, --and "original" idea. Then I picked up an IRELAND YEAR BOOK FOR 1944 [!] and found that Laurie and Frances had written up the idea a year BEFORE I had even started performing!

O
Message: Posted by: Bill Hegbli (Aug 19, 2013 11:52AM)
Dick Oslund, now I really don't know who invented the ball through silk, only that Laurie Ireland is credited for it. Recently, I have been reading some of my old books and found one statement that made me wonder. The performer stated that he would open his act with the Ball through Silk, the half penetration effect that Ireland describes. I should really make notes of things that are drawn my attention.

In the Ade Duval Silken Sorcerer book by David Charvet, he mentions that Ireland released the manufacturer of his rubber golf balls in the 1920, so I would think that the penetrating ball though silk was around a long time.
Message: Posted by: AbsoluteZero (May 17, 2014 11:19AM)
Http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cuj6IvlrdQw

An interesting review.
Message: Posted by: Bill Hegbli (May 17, 2014 01:04PM)
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On May 17, 2014, AbsoluteZero wrote:
Http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cuj6IvlrdQw

An interesting review.
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I was set back a little in that David Penn did not see the value in this learning DVD and the unique offering it contained to the manipulation magician. If one does not have any interest in a subject, it is hard to see the value and the skill to create real stage magic without limited gimmicks. What stood out for me was his only comment was the performers slow performance technique. We all know or should know that with the proper information we can all choose the speed at which we wish to present the information learned.

This is an exciting and valuable DVD for the information it contains in presenting a solo stage act.
Message: Posted by: JNeal (May 17, 2014 02:51PM)
A side note to say how nice it is to see Bill back with the forum and posting again!!

Welcome back Bill!
Message: Posted by: Dick Oslund (May 18, 2014 06:24AM)
I was just "surfing" this AM and note that Bill Hegbli has returned! Wilkommen, Bienvenu, Welcome!
Message: Posted by: Intrepid (May 20, 2014 06:51AM)
I always look forward to reading Bill's comments, as they are packed full of insightful advice.
Message: Posted by: Dick Oslund (May 20, 2014 10:54AM)
Bill: Regarding the ball thru silk!

I bought my first set of Ireland Golf Balls in 1947, and the ball thru silk was not mentioned in the instructions. I'm GUESSING that Frances heard of the idea and added it much later to the basic Ireland instructions.

I have a much later set of the printed instructions, and the idea is more or less added as a "P.S." (typewritten and added to the letter press job)!!

It's really not worth "fighting over" (hee hee). I just mentioned it, to give credit to Bill Williston, as his ides was the first time I saw it in print. As I noted much earlier, I paid Wilfred Syltten (sp?) one buck for the idea at an MAES CONVENTION in 1953. (I found the Schwartz booklet years later)It was one of the best $ that I ever spent for magic knowledge. It and Percy Abbott's "version" of the repeat cigar trick of Dr. Zola (Perpetual Balls--also $1.00--in 1950)are now the main bits in my ball routine. Oh! I also use Karrell Fox's BALLOMAATIC (four ball production) which Karrell suggested in the mid '80s. If I were a kid againm breaking in, in a carny sideshow, I could make a living with this one routine!

If you happen to find that informatiion in the old book (where the performer mentions opening his act with it)I would appreciate your giving me the reference. Like Jay Marshall, I am fascinated with knowing where "something" came from.

I'm writing up my complete ball routine in the book.
Message: Posted by: Bill Hegbli (May 20, 2014 11:56AM)
Dick Oslund,

Gee, I guess you read my post the wrong way. You made a statement of your experience, and as a curious person, I wrote my experience and knowledge of where I discovered it. Hopefully, prompting you to explain further your experience, as I like to read your stories. I was not stating that Ireland was the 1st and only place it was published, just that that is where I have only seen it in print. I guess I am guilty of being like people today. They see something on YouTube and that is the person who invented it. I used the word credited, when I should have said something like, printed in the Ireland Multiplying Golf Ball instructions.

Thank you for your further clarification, and insight. In 1947, I was just an egg waiting to hatch!
Message: Posted by: Dick Oslund (May 20, 2014 08:59PM)
Well, I'm glad you hatched!!!

Not to worry! "Cold print" can be so easily misunderstood!

It's all Jay Marshall's fault! (hee hee) Jay was very well read, and had known so many of the old timers (especially east coast guys)that he could quickly name the "inventor" of darn near every "move" or "technique", and he "infected" me!

When a young guy asks me where I "got" a technique, I like to be able to tell him. I suspect --no-- I think that you feel the same way. Anyhow, the ball thru silk is a darn good trick!