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Topic: Clarity Box vs Lightning Box
Message: Posted by: Steven Conner (Aug 21, 2013 02:53PM)
What makes David's better/different than Bob's. Bob's seems to be more compact, examinable, practible. Just curious.
Message: Posted by: paperinick (Aug 21, 2013 03:00PM)
Compact: agree.
Examin-able: disagree. They seem on par.
Practical: disagree, they seem on par.

The effect is clearly slightly different between the two. I like the idea of "in case of emergency" similar to the insurance policy concept which is a good patter in my opinion for a nice version of a sucker trick.

I would say also that being transparent makes the clarity box more disarming. What do you want to examine in something that is clearly transparent?
And let's not forget the price, the clarity box being a winner (not saying that the lightning box is not worth its price).
Message: Posted by: taller8 (Aug 21, 2013 03:11PM)
The move seems cleaner with the Clarity box too.
Message: Posted by: jerdunn (Aug 21, 2013 03:15PM)
I'm not sure why it has to be one "vs" the other. Both boxes have their uses -- and very good ones.

I love the Lightning Box. Easy to operate. Easy to change the card, prediction, bill, or whatever. Looks like a cufflink box, so it passes for ordinary. I think it's best suited for "signed card/bill to impossible location" type effects, where the spectators don't know what's inside the box until the climax of the effect.

I've ordered the Clarity Box, which seems perfect for a prediction. Mine will be written on a folded piece of blank index card. It's very strong that the spectators see the prediction isolated and in plain view from the beginning.

Thanks to the mechanics of the Clarity Box, no one could imagine a switch when you show the prediction. I believe David Regal compared this use to an Ostin Clip, and I agree. The Clarity Box, however, seems more elegant, open, and "guileless" in appearance.

Of course, it can also be used for signed cards, restored dollar bills, etc. -- so it's a bargain at its price.

Again, both boxes are fantastic -- well made, easy to use, and baffling.

Cheers,
Jerry
Message: Posted by: Steven Conner (Aug 21, 2013 03:18PM)
[quote]
On 2013-08-21 16:00, paperinick wrote:
Compact: agree.
Examin-able: disagree. They seem on par.
Practical: disagree, they seem on par.

The effect is clearly slightly different between the two. I like the idea of "in case of emergency" similar to the insurance policy concept which is a good patter in my opinion for a nice version of a sucker trick.

I would say also that being transparent makes the clarity box more disarming. What do you want to examine in something that is clearly transparent?
And let's not forget the price, the clarity box being a winner (not saying that the lightning box is not worth its price).
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Sometimes, not often, a spectator might pick up the box. Its really not a problem. I would just suggest that someone might pick up off the cuff. Price is certainly a consideration, and also think there are more similarities than differences in the effect. I do appreciate your input. I like David's stuff a lot, just wished magic was not so similar.

Best,
Message: Posted by: Steven Conner (Aug 21, 2013 03:38PM)
Hi Jerry, good thoughts. I've had my LB since it came out and use it with predictions as well. I show the box with the prediction inside and proceed. I may get one myself.

Steve
Message: Posted by: jerdunn (Aug 21, 2013 03:58PM)
Hi Steve,

Yes, me too -- if it's a prediction in the LB, I show it first. The box then sits isolated in plain sight until the end.

Cheers,
Jerry
Message: Posted by: Jordanogrady (Aug 21, 2013 05:26PM)
What about the Kennedy mystery box? I know you can't change it from a card, but do you think it's as good?
Message: Posted by: jerdunn (Aug 21, 2013 05:59PM)
The Kennedy Mystery Box looks very nice (wood, small) but it's limited to a card of a certain color and back type. The Lightning Box and Clarity Box don't have this restriction.

So I'd say: Kennedy box not as good overall.

Cheers,
Jerry
Message: Posted by: Steven Conner (Aug 21, 2013 07:47PM)
Agree.
Message: Posted by: pepka (Aug 22, 2013 12:25AM)
I love the LB also. I think the nicest thing about this is you can use Jamy Swiss's work where you have something else in the box...coins, dice or whatever. This REALLY adds to the illusion. I assume you could use this with David's also. I love David's work and use several of his products, but I'm no 100% sold on the idea of having it in plain view all along. I like it to be a real shock that the card ends up in that box. I'm sure The Clarity Box is shocking...just in a different way.
Message: Posted by: saysold1 (Aug 22, 2013 12:54AM)
David explains on the DVD that his Clarity Box and other excellent boxes (which he goes into quite a bit of history and depth on) is a difference in PLOT:

"You use the Clarity Box when you want them to SEE an item on display - instead of a concealed item. It is an item they know about. It's there hermetically sealed in a clear box."

The point made - and an excellent one - is that David's Clarity box adds a different plot twist on an already excellent concept. Clarity Box should allow performers to come up with some routines that were henceforth not possible before.

There are also some extra psychological layers with Clarity Box - the innocence of a clear box that has been in full view and never touched. The mind tends to lower it's guard when it sees something that does not seem to intend to hide anything.

As far as I see it, the title to this thread makes it seem like one needs to make a choice between Lightning (or any of the other boxes which work off a similar principal) and David's new box.

This is a false choice.

Which is better Brainwave or ID? 1st cousins yes, but they both use entirely different plots and both powerful. There is a difference perceptions.

David's Clarity Box won't push aside your other boxes, nor is it intended to.
Message: Posted by: pepka (Aug 22, 2013 01:59AM)
Well said.
Message: Posted by: baobow (Aug 22, 2013 02:06AM)
Depends on the premise.

Clarity Box is more akin to FOB where the object ( card, billet, money) is in plain view the the wow effect. The effect becomes and transposition effect or 'prediction' effect.

For Mystery box and Lighting Box, the object can remain a surprise until the climax of the effect if you choose to. Any if you wanted to, LB can be shown to be empty before the effect, so the effect a transportation effect. Not showing the contents of the box before hand creates abit of 'mystery' (pardon the pun) that gives a great hook to it. Showing it empty, or presumed empty other than coins etc ( holding other props or objects) also disarms the audience to not link it to the effect and doesn't telegraph the ending.
Message: Posted by: Stucky (Aug 22, 2013 06:37AM)
Lightning Box resembles a hockey puck. It doesn't look like anything people are familiar with. This at least has a "break glass in case of emergency" feel to it. Also the clear nature of the clarity box will keep people from wanting to examine it I'd like to think.
Message: Posted by: Steven Conner (Aug 22, 2013 07:28AM)
[quote]
On 2013-08-22 01:54,

As far as I see it, the title to this thread makes it seem like one needs to make a choice between Lightning (or any of the other boxes which work off a similar principal) and David's new box.

This is a false choice.

Which is better Brainwave or ID? 1st cousins yes, but they both use entirely different plots and both powerful. There is a difference perceptions.

David's Clarity Box won't push aside your other boxes, nor is it intended to.
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This really wasn't meant to be an either/or. LB can do the same things just isn't transparent. It also fits in the pocket easier if table hopping or just managing your props. As I've mentioned, I like David as well and use his products.
Message: Posted by: David Regal (Aug 22, 2013 08:57AM)
Hi All -

I was out of the house yesterday, when this thread started up.

The card-to-canister plot and its brilliant method belong to German magician Bruno Hennig. If you think he lived in 1850 (as I did) you'd be wrong - the man is still alive and you can see video of him online performing a bit of the floating cork, another trick he invented (http://www.magier-joro.de/english.html). A brilliant man. And in the timeline of magic card-to-canister is a modern plot.

A lot of interesting methods have been added to the core concept of Mr. Hennig's effect, but all possess the same plot: A container of come kind holds an unknown item. The unknown item is revealed at the end of the effect. If that is the plot you are performing, of course you want an opaque container!

The Clarity Box is for those occasions when you want an item on view, and known to the audience, because it fits the plot of the effect you are performing. It's simple as that. For example, do you want a folded prediction on a file card on display - isolated - during the performance of a mental effect? The Clarity Box is a good choice for that plot.

When I performed The Clarity Box in the Close-up gallery of The Magic Castle, I had a folded card inside. I set it on the corner of the table "in case of emergency" where it sat for my entire set. At the end of the set, when I directed attention to the card they'd been looking at for twenty minutes, and it turned out to be the spectator's signed card... well, it got that "No %$@#! way" reaction we all love so much.

So, even though the workings of The Clarity Box are deceptive, the same could be said about other gimmicked boxes. The true difference is the fact that in one case we are talking about a unknown item, and in another case we are talking about a known item - it's a plot thing.

Hope that helps!

David
Message: Posted by: Corbett (Aug 22, 2013 09:09AM)
I saw this up close and personal at MAGIC Live last week. It's a super clever method, and the illusion of your impossible item falling from the clear box, right into your hand, is perfect. Perfect.
Message: Posted by: Steven Conner (Aug 22, 2013 10:45AM)
[quote]
On 2013-08-22 09:57, David Regal wrote:
Hi All -

I was out of the house yesterday, when this thread started up.

The card-to-canister plot and its brilliant method belong to German magician Bruno Hennig. If you think he lived in 1850 (as I did) you'd be wrong - the man is still alive and you can see video of him online performing a bit of the floating cork, another trick he invented (http://www.magier-joro.de/english.html). A brilliant man. And in the timeline of magic card-to-canister is a modern plot.

A lot of interesting methods have been added to the core concept of Mr. Hennig's effect, but all possess the same plot: A container of come kind holds an unknown item. The unknown item is revealed at the end of the effect. If that is the plot you are performing, of course you want an opaque container!

The Clarity Box is for those occasions when you want an item on view, and known to the audience, because it fits the plot of the effect you are performing. It's simple as that. For example, do you want a folded prediction on a file card on display - isolated - during the performance of a mental effect? The Clarity Box is a good choice for that plot.

When I performed The Clarity Box in the Close-up gallery of The Magic Castle, I had a folded card inside. I set it on the corner of the table "in case of emergency" where it sat for my entire set. At the end of the set, when I directed attention to the card they'd been looking at for twenty minutes, and it turned out to be the spectator's signed card... well, it got that "No %$@#! way" reaction we all love so much.

So, even though the workings of The Clarity Box are deceptive, the same could be said about other gimmicked boxes. The true difference is the fact that in one case we are talking about a unknown item, and in another case we are talking about a known item - it's a plot thing.

Hope that helps!

David
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Hi David, glad you chimed in. I use to use the Nelson Mental Gimmick at Trade Shows all the time. Your point is well taken.

Steve
Message: Posted by: Doc Dixon (Aug 22, 2013 11:00AM)
If a performer wanted an additional element of surprise with the Clarity Box, is there anything preventing him from covering it with a hank or some other cover?
(Please say zombie dragon foulard. Please say zombie dragon foulard.)
If a performer wanted additional openness with the Lightning Box, is there anything preventing him from removing the lid earlier on in the routine?

DD
Message: Posted by: corpmagi (Aug 22, 2013 11:04AM)
There are times when you want the card,bill,etc. visible and times you want the surprise. David demonstrated the Clarity Box for me at Magic Live and it is both practical and deceptive. I was an early adopter of The Lightning Box and this is an excellent prop as well. There is a time and place for each.
Message: Posted by: Anthony Asimov (Aug 22, 2013 12:02PM)
I love this thread because these types of boxes have become an obsession of mine. I agree with Corpmagi's comment above: there is a time and place for each type of effect.

I created a box that was released in limited edition last year called The Boldly Go Box (with Bob Kohler's blessing which I obtained prior to its release... my design shared a similar feature to his):

http://www.masimedia.net/asimov/TheBoldlyGoBox.html

It is currently sold out but I'm thinking of doing another run. With The Boldly Go Box, you can show the box's contents at the start of an effect, or keep the top on it. It's a simple method that works better for some routines and won't work well with others. The types of tricks you can do with it are endless, and I use it in a routine on my latest DVD.

I have a "thing" for gimmicked boxes and can't want to check out the Clarity Box.
Message: Posted by: ArtIn (Aug 22, 2013 12:29PM)
[quote]
On 2013-08-22 09:57, David Regal wrote:
The true difference is the fact that in one case we are talking about a unknown item, and in another case we are talking about a known item - it's a plot thing.

Hope that helps!

David
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I also love Kohlers Lightning Box a lot as well as Kennedys Mystery Box.
I know what David is saying here but I think its a bit more difficult isn't it?.
I mean I can also have the item (card, billet, whatever) known by the spectators from the start.
Just by opening the lid before the effect (transposition/change/prediction/whatever) starts and let them see whats inside. This allows a plot in both directions.
I like the idea of the Clarity Box but I have to disagree on the plot thing.

All the best,
Martin

EDIT: sorry, Doc Dixon said it all!
Message: Posted by: David Regal (Aug 22, 2013 06:00PM)
"...a bit more difficult?" I am mystified by this. Honestly mystified. Where is it coming from?

No. Not more difficult.
Message: Posted by: paperinick (Aug 22, 2013 06:05PM)
[quote]This allows a plot in both directions. [/quote]
Partially true. Have you ever seen one of those cigarette in a clear plastic container with the sticker "in case of emergency"? On thing is to show something at the beginning, one thing is to keep it visible for the whole time. Very minor difference, but a difference nonetheless.
Message: Posted by: paperinick (Aug 22, 2013 06:08PM)
Example: http://img1.etsystatic.com/000/0/6346189/il_570xN.304759621.jpg
Message: Posted by: Wizard of Oz (Aug 22, 2013 09:41PM)
This thread may continue forever unless we realize the facts... Mr. Regal may or may not have improved upon this awesome plot, but he certainly has added to the very credible choices we have in realizing it. Look at the details to all of these versions and choose the one that fits your performance style. Get it. Use it. Amaze with it.

There. Done. Everybody go to bed.
Message: Posted by: Magicsquared (Aug 22, 2013 10:21PM)
I honestly find it hard to not look at the Clarity Box as anything but a HUGE step forward in this type of effect. Whether you display the prediction or cover it in some way, the ultimate switch from a CLEAR box is absolutely beautiful. And it gives a spectator virtually nowhere to go methodologically because it seems so innocent. There have been a lot of great boxes previous to this -- some that are wildly clever -- but for me this outshines them all.
Message: Posted by: Wizard of Oz (Aug 22, 2013 10:31PM)
Again, it's purely subjective. While I am going to order the Clarity Box, there is something to be said for the mystery that a plain, opaque box has to offer...for one, if you perform "bizarre" magic with Tarot cards, the Clarity Box may have a more difficult time fitting in to your repertoire. A plain, opaque, non-labeled box may have a better chance.
Message: Posted by: reese (Aug 22, 2013 10:40PM)
There's a big difference between showing an item in an opaque container and one contained within a transparent container. You show an item in an opaque box and you have to say "here is the object in the opaque box"... you have to use more words to make it clear. If the item is in a transparent box, it's already clear; you can use much less explanation (and really, you don't need any. Everything is already apparent) A distinct advantage I think.
Message: Posted by: saysold1 (Aug 22, 2013 10:50PM)
[quote]
On 2013-08-22 23:40, reese wrote:
There's a big difference between showing an item in an opaque container and one contained within a transparent container. You show an item in an opaque box and you have to say "here is the object in the opaque box"... you have to use more words to make it clear. If the item is in a transparent box, it's already clear; you can use much less explanation (and really, you don't need any. Everything is already apparent) A distinct advantage I think.
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Exactly. Nothing needs to be said really.

But an opaque box can and will hold its own advantages depending on the routine.

Like I said, there us no debate here. Pick your poison and enjoy whichever you prefer.
Message: Posted by: Magicsquared (Aug 22, 2013 11:06PM)
Clarity Box can be opaque too.
- Gift wrap it.
- Put it inside any other box.
- Paint it black and then pour paint thinner on it to reveal a card in a clear box (I love this idea, but don't actually do it as you'll probably ruin the box)

Even if you don't like the idea of the prediction being on display from the beginning, which I can understand presentationally, I think I'd still rather have the Clarity Box inside something or covered or wrapped in something, and here's why: [i] there is an inherent strengthening of the effect when you can reveal the existence of a prediction while still keeping it sealed. [/i]
Message: Posted by: tdowell (Aug 22, 2013 11:30PM)
I seem to recall the same visibility issue discussed in reference to Sankey's Paperclipped effect a few years ago. Effects such as Lightning Box or Mystery Box convey the notion the signed card has invisibly travelled to the location upon revelation, as if the box had been empty previously. Card to impossible location in the end.

If you are going to have the card visible the whole time, then reveal it is the signed card that was not the same card in the box just seconds before, then is the effect a switch of the cards? Is it a time travel concept? Did the face reprint? Is that a problem?

I have no opinion on which is better, but I can understand those who believe having the card visible prior to the effect and having it become the spectator's signed card is almost too impossible and not as effective as far as presentation.

In the end it's whatever floats your boat. I love em' all.
Message: Posted by: reese (Aug 22, 2013 11:57PM)
But isn't that the effect with the "card in impossible location"? It's like Bro. John's "signed card"; the reveal is impossible. It creates a gasp. Using a clear box enables you to have the impossible object in view for a much longer time... it depends on the effect you want to achieve, whether that might be useful to you.
Message: Posted by: taller8 (Aug 23, 2013 12:01AM)
"having it become the spectator's signed card is almost too impossible and not as effective as far as presentation."

That was my initial feeling too, but I bought it anyway. I just figured it will totally blow minds,or make them realise it cant be their
Card, but they still won't know how it's done.
Message: Posted by: reese (Aug 23, 2013 12:07AM)
I think y'all might be thinking too much like magicians
Message: Posted by: David Regal (Aug 23, 2013 12:41AM)
I can tell you without hesitation, it simply FEELS CRAZY IMPOSSIBLE to people. It is not an intellectual exercise, it's a short circuit.
Message: Posted by: Daren (Aug 23, 2013 12:44AM)
I am yet to receive my clarity box and cannot wait for its arrival, I think the card being on view at the beginning will dispell any thoughts in the spectators mind that that is their card, having a card signed and do what ever routine you want with it and then revealing it to be the card in the clarity box is stronger in my opinion, remember you bring this out before a card is selected, so again in the specs mind this must be a different card and as far as they are concered the magician must be doing something else with it, so when this does become their card as I said before I think this makes it stronger? and also when it comes to do the move it kinda removes the heat from you as oer the reasons above.

If the card on view bothers you why not just obtain a velvet looking drawstring bag and place inside the bag first?
Message: Posted by: saysold1 (Aug 23, 2013 12:49AM)
Many (including me) probably won't use this as a signed card to location at all. That doesn't float my boat personally (although the included gimmick is really impressive visually).

I intend to use this as a prediction effect - a name, place, whatever...that matches the spectator's thoughts.

Folded business card or billet that was in the sealed clear box from the beginning.

There is a lot of action on the mentalism possibilities downstairs at + in Mentally Speaking.

The see through of Clarity Box probably makes more sense logically as a prediction rather than s signed XXX to impossible location.

Regal says he gets incredible reactions using the card to impossible at the Magic Castle however.
Message: Posted by: David Regal (Aug 23, 2013 12:57AM)
I'll post a clip from The Castle Close-Up Gallery when I get together with my son to cut a longer promo, maybe next week. This is easily the most useful thing I've ever come up with. In a few weeks I'm going to use the box for a burned bill routine in a theater setting.
Message: Posted by: taller8 (Aug 23, 2013 09:46AM)
It kind of reminds me of using the Extractor with a 'signed card to envelope' wallet.
It just seems impossible, and the gaffs make it look so clean.

I can see the Clarity box 'feeling crazy impossible' to the specs too.

It really does take an exceptional gaff to pull of feats of magic like this, if you were doing a signed card effect, and
it will be interesting to hear what the reactions are after its been used in the real world.
Message: Posted by: Shadowmoor (Aug 23, 2013 11:00AM)
Mr. Regal's stuff is always show-worthy and clever and if you're in the market for such a device pre-ordering should be a no-brainer!
Message: Posted by: saysold1 (Aug 23, 2013 11:04AM)
No need to pre-order - buy directly from David.

My order was sent out same day and arrived priority mail 2 days later. Real Regal Magic.

http://davidregal.com/david-regals-clarity-box/
Message: Posted by: Daren (Aug 23, 2013 11:54AM)
I ordered mine from the uk on Monday received on the Friday
Message: Posted by: Steve Suss (Aug 23, 2013 01:01PM)
I'm sure this product is very good and has its place for the right circumstances and routines but to say it is an improvement is a real stretch.

As David Regal has said the effect was originally developed by Bruno Hennig. It was later taught to Fred Kaps who popularized it. I saw Fred Kaps perform it at a 1977 SAM convention. He fooled an entire room of magicians and to me this one effect was easily the highlight of the convention. Fred Kaps used a small innocent looking cardboard box slightly gaffed. No one would have suspected the box had anything to do with the effect. Later Scotty York used it as a running gag type of effect where a signed card was repeatedly shown inside his pocket watch. One of my favorite performances of this effect was when I saw Tommy Wonder doing it as a climax to his incredible ambitious card routine. He had a great subtlety using a wooden box that he built. His routine is truly a masterpiece.

I've been doing effects using this principle for over 35 years(since seeing Fred Kaps perform it). I've used it for card to impossible location as well as mentalism predictions. I've used it for walk around as well as stage and I've always used a simple cardboard box of some sort. I go out of my way to make sure my box does not look like a magic store prop. No fancy designs for me.

I will tell you that after years of using this principle under almost every conceivable circumstance no one has ever asked to see the box and I don't believe anyone has even suspected it. When I do a signed and folded card to box the first thing the spectators do is quickly unfold the card. The second thing they do is scream. The third thing they sometimes do is go through the deck to see if their signed card is still there. No one goes for the box or asks to see the box. There is absolutely no heat on the box.

So, while I can see some of these boxes being justified for a particular routine I think to say they are an improvement is simply not correct. I prefer my boxes to be psychologically invisible and I don't want to call any undue attention to them. While there may be good reasons to use a fancier or a clear box I think it would be wrong to call it an improvement. I personally prefer the box I saw Fred Kaps use 35 years ago which looked like an ordinary cheap cardboard box which no one would have guessed was part of the method used.

Just because someone comes up with a new box doesn't mean it's an improvement over the original. David Regal should be commended for his creativity and fine products and ideas that he has produced over the years but let's not forget the originators. Often their products were better than the so called improvements of today.
Steve
Message: Posted by: Steve Suss (Aug 23, 2013 01:04PM)
I'm sure this product is very good and has its place for the right circumstances and routines but to say it is an improvement is a real stretch.

As David Regal has said the effect was originally developed by Bruno Hennig. It was later taught to Fred Kaps who popularized it. I saw Fred Kaps perform it at a 1977 SAM convention. He fooled an entire room of magicians and to me this one effect was easily the highlight of the convention. Fred Kaps used a small innocent looking cardboard box slightly gaffed. No one would have suspected the box had anything to do with the effect. Later Scotty York used it as a running gag type of effect where a signed card was repeatedly shown inside his pocket watch. One of my favorite performances of this effect was when I saw Tommy Wonder doing it as a climax to his incredible ambitious card routine. He had a great subtlety using a wooden box that he built. His routine is truly a masterpiece.

I've been doing effects using this principle for over 35 years(since seeing Fred Kaps perform it). I've used it for card to impossible location as well as mentalism predictions. I've used it for walk around as well as stage and I've always used a simple cardboard box of some sort. I go out of my way to make sure my box does not look like a magic store prop. No fancy designs for me.

I will tell you that after years of using this principle under almost every conceivable circumstance no one has ever asked to see the box and I don't believe anyone has even suspected it. When I do a signed and folded card to box the first thing the spectators do is quickly unfold the card. The second thing they do is scream. The third thing they sometimes do is go through the deck to see if their signed card is still there. No one goes for the box or asks to see the box. There is absolutely no heat on the box.

So, while I can see some of these boxes being justified for a particular routine I think to say they are an improvement is simply not correct. I prefer my boxes to be psychologically invisible and I don't want to call any undue attention to them. While there may be good reasons to use a fancier or a clear box I think it would be wrong to call it an improvement. I personally prefer the box I saw Fred Kaps use 35 years ago which looked like an ordinary cheap cardboard box which no one would have guessed was part of the method used.

Just because someone comes up with a new box doesn't mean it's an improvement over the original. David Regal should be commended for his creativity and fine products and ideas that he has produced over the years but let's not forget the originators. Often their products were better than the so called improvements of today.
Steve
Message: Posted by: David Regal (Aug 23, 2013 01:34PM)
Thanks for saying all you said. I bend over backwards to give credit to Mr. Hennig, as he does indeed deserve it, and I do not call what I have accomplished an improvement - my box simply has some clear (no pun intended) differences, attributes that will be very useful for some plots, and not for others.

For the right [i]plot[/i], my wrinkle will certainly open doors.
Message: Posted by: Steve Suss (Aug 23, 2013 02:54PM)
David your honesty is appreciated. Sometimes I am dismayed when someone comes out with a new product and people refer to it as though it was totally original or an improvement. The trick is now called the Kennedy box or Lightning box and younger performers have no clue as to the origination. I hope your product does very well and I'm sure it is very good as are most of your products(I own several). I just like to make sure that credit is given to some of the giants who have inspired us. You do give credit but that is not always the case by others. My point was just because someone comes out with a new gadget doesn't mean it is better or original. This was in no way meant to disparage your product but was to set the record straight with some of the members who think the best box is a simple black or white issue. You should buy it because it fits what you are trying to do and not because it is the newest thing.
Steve
Message: Posted by: saysold1 (Aug 23, 2013 03:10PM)
Steve's history and opinions are all very helpful.

Whether Clarity Box turns out to be an improvement or not will ultimately be judged by audience reactions and performances. Anything else is conjecture.

David does go into a great deal of history of this effect with photos of Bruno and an admission that clarity box may be right for so e situations but not others.

David isn't the first one to take on this idea and probably wont be the last.

I think it's a winner. It's not fancy - it's clear and clean - modern.
Message: Posted by: Rainboguy (Aug 23, 2013 06:06PM)
The PLOT idea that David Regal describes in his post regarding "Letting the box just sit there for 20 minutes with a card in it on the edge of the table throughout the show" is pretty darned good theatre, in my opinion, for a close up show or other intimate environment. Perhaps, with the right scripting, it could possibly be good for platform.

Let's face it.....how many of us SPEND A LIFETIME IN MAGIC looking to find new, better and STRONGER ways to reveal a card?

I must confess........I'm one of those guys....

I never bought a David Regal prop until recently, when I purchased his Linking Ring Project....when I showed the Koran Unlink to my friend Dick Oslund, Dick went "WOW!".

Dick doesn't go "WOW!" often....

I LIKE David Regal's thinking, and the quality and value that goes into manufacturing of the props he is making....so I will definitely look further into his clarity box as I can see it being "another tool" for my arsenal of "WOW Stuff!"

I will be at the Houdini Club of Wisconsin convention next weekend in Madison, and if one of the dealers there has this, I want to take a look at it.............
Message: Posted by: Gaz Lawrence (Aug 23, 2013 06:21PM)
I disagree with Steve on this one , Fred Kaps version I am sure would have been perfect way back then , but in the modern age I think a card board box would look more suspicious than David Regals prop IMO . Punters expect you as a magician to have your own cards etc and you are a performing artist on a gig so you are entitled to have props . Agreed if you are going round the mother in laws a card box will do but paying customers don't think there is anything dodgy about having some props . Therefore IMO this is an improvement even if it is for the fact the box is clear .
Message: Posted by: tdowell (Aug 23, 2013 09:59PM)
Clarity looks really good, especially the card pouring out. My order is in as well.
Message: Posted by: J-Mac (Aug 23, 2013 10:28PM)
I set mine up for a folded bill - I want to work on my Mercury fold for a few weeks. I have a decent Mercury fold but I'd like it to be better. In the meantime - I really love the "gypsy" angle! (I do Romani really well... IMO anyway!) I am really enjoying myself with this box! I think - now that I have the Clarity Box - that using a clear box is a stroke of genius. The visual illusion of the object falling out of the box into your hand is masterful! Just that aspect alone makes this box a treat!

Thanks!

Jim
Message: Posted by: taller8 (Aug 23, 2013 10:57PM)
This is one of the better products I've bought in a long time.

I already love the card in box plot, but the versatility along with the clear box diplay is what separates it for me.

The extra gaff, the extra stickers, and the explanation of repairing and cleaning was a great addition.


Great stuff.
Message: Posted by: hoodrat (Aug 24, 2013 01:08AM)
I have a prop called the "Crystal Switch Box". It is a clear plastic box on a red ribbon. You can place a folded-up playing card into the Crystal Switch Box and then place the box around the spectator's neck. While doing this, the magician causes the box to "operate" which basically switches the card for another one, unbeknownst to the spectator. It seems to me that this Clarity Box is sort of the same principle, I think. I know that with the Crystal Switch Box, there is no need to palm anything or otherwise engage in any sleight-of-hand because the dirty work is done inside the box as it's being put around the spectator's neck for safe-keeping. Is the Clarity Box the same principle (i.e. no sleights needed)? It seems to me that a particular sleight is needed once the Clarity Box is turned over and its contents dumped out. Any clarification would be helpful. Thanks.
Message: Posted by: Steven Conner (Aug 24, 2013 08:01AM)
Different trick
Message: Posted by: Steven Conner (Aug 24, 2013 08:02AM)
Different trick
Message: Posted by: David Regal (Aug 24, 2013 08:09AM)
We can't discuss methods here, but I believe I can say this:

The Clarity Box is Bruno Hennig's "card to ring box," done with a clear box as opposed to an opaque box. Needless to say, the Hennig trick is considered one of the single best effects/methods in all of card magic - I've simply contributed a wrinkle that has some utility.

In the past, the Hennig effect has only been done with an opaque box due to an element of the method. Having a clear box opens up some plots that were not options in the past. For example:

A visitor comes to your home and sees a folded playing card in a little clear showcase sitting on your deck, or on a shelf. He inquires about it and you say you keep it for emergencies. You have him select and sign a card, then attempt to find it, and fail. You go to the little clear box and dump out the card - it is his signed selection.

That [i]plot[/i] is made possible due to the fact the container is clear. Other plots might not require a clear container, but countless plots can indeed make use of this quality.

So, while the prop itself is, I think, physically lovely, and the gimmick is nifty, the only difference between The Clarity Box and Hennig's classic effect is the fact that I came up with a way to make the container clear. The illusion is enhanced, but there would be no illusion at all without Bruno Hennig.
Message: Posted by: Wizard of Oz (Aug 24, 2013 11:01AM)
Just put my money where my mouth is. Can't wait.
I love your site design David...very clean and contemporary looking.
Message: Posted by: ahofer (Aug 25, 2013 08:08PM)
Got this yesterday, love it. I have a different presentation idea...

I've been doing Daniel Garcia's TORN for a long time, and have always had the spec sign the face of the card (instead of the back) before tearing in quarters and restoring it piece by piece. Clarity Box could be a great finale, and guess what? The card's ALREADY folded in quarters at the end of the restoration.

Two ideas...

1) retrieve card from spec's examination after restoration, then burn it to ashes and explain it's truly an indestructible card. Try to restore card again from ashes, but FAIL. The ashes are just ashes. Sweep ashes away, and explain that the failure is an "emergency"... Retrieve original signed card from box, proving that it really WAS indestructible :)

2) force original card and have dup of force card folded already. Forced card is folded, signed, torn, restored, and handed out for exam. Card is retrieved from spec, and tossed on table folded. Box opened and card within removed and tossed on other end of table. Spec is asked if they'd be surprised if card in box could have predicted their original "free" selection. Spec is asked to put their hand on top of signed card and rub it against the table for a moment, then unfold it again to show audience and remind them once more which card it was. When opened, card is the same but the signature has VANISHED. Card from box is opened, and found that the signature has magically moved to the card that was in plain view in the box the whole time :)

Just a couple of first-day ideas. This box has so many possibilities!

Thanks for sending so quickly, David!
Message: Posted by: ArtIn (Aug 26, 2013 01:13PM)
[quote]
On 2013-08-22 19:00, David Regal wrote:
"...a bit more difficult?" I am mystified by this. Honestly mystified. Where is it coming from?

No. Not more difficult.
[/quote]

Oh, sorry for my english David. What I was actually trying to say is "a bit more difficult to explain" :)
I agree with Doc Dixon. I am sure it's a great product but with both products you are able to adapt the plot.

all the best,
Martin
Message: Posted by: IDOTRIX (Aug 26, 2013 08:15PM)
Seen it at magic live. best trick of convention to me
Message: Posted by: magic in mind (Aug 28, 2013 02:59PM)
If it can be covered with a hankie etc and placed next to spec,then hows about torched and restored. you have the card folded already.Instead of restoring it have it explode (flash paper) when you try to welded it back together.Luckily I carry a spare for emergencies.Take off hankey dump box to show signed card.Having there card on display before they have chosen it and you have vanished it.Makes no sense in continuity.Having it hidden ie via hankie or silk over a transparent box does make more sense.I mean how can that be there card from begining when they were signing it?? it was in the box????.Id only have stuff visible if say folded prediction or if the card was a revelation say with diff colour back.Other that Id put the box down on table at start of act already covered and say hop I don't have to use this.Its an emergency rescue kit.Like a sky diver has an emergency chute.
Message: Posted by: 1KJ (Aug 30, 2013 02:26PM)
I have both and really, while they are different, if I had to only own one, I would own the Clarity Box. I'm glad I don't have to choose between the two, but I just love the Clarity Box! It is so powerful and angle proof. It could have been made a bit smaller, but it seems to me that the size is really not an issue.
KJ
Message: Posted by: saysold1 (Sep 1, 2013 11:32AM)
Magic Café owner Steve Brooks called Clarity Box the best of 2013 here:

http://www.themagiccafe.com/forums/viewtopic.php?topic=523911&forum=71

+

3 new videos now available at Penguin's site (thanks Zombie and welcome back) - the best being the new interview with Dan Harlan and David REgals and also a rave from Rick Lax with more ideas on using this superb product:

http://www.penguinmagic.com/p/3629
Message: Posted by: William Draven (Sep 1, 2013 12:21PM)
The only thing I don't like about the clarity box is the "in case of emergency" sticker. That kind of 'magician screws up but doesn't really' patter just doesn't work well with me. I love the idea of an open prediction though, or the impossibility of having the signed card in plain view the entire time. If I get one I'd just remove the stupid sticker from it and adapt it better for my use presentation wise.
Message: Posted by: Zombie Magic (Sep 1, 2013 01:48PM)
What's great about the Clarity Box is that is can be customized.

I'm going to use a bill.
Message: Posted by: tdowell (Sep 1, 2013 11:15PM)
Just arrived today and I have to say this Clarity Box is outstanding, quality made, and worth every penny. In my opinion the best use of this clear box is for mental prediction work. I will still keep my Kennedy Mystery Box for the signed card revelation just because I don't like the card visible prior to the spectator signing another (just my opinion). But either way, this a real value because you can do much more with it than other boxes will allow. You can use this for a card revelation, signed bill work, or, any paper prediction work.

The use of a clear box is advantageous because there will be literally no heat on the box. Transparency virtually eliminates any suspicion for a lay spectator. Furthermore, the gimmick works flawlessly and is almost invisible. I can tell you that I took a quick look at the box/gimmick prior to watching the DVD and could not figure it out until after I was told the secret. If you don't like the "emergency" sticker on the box then different stickers are included, or, you can make up your own.

I also thought David did a nice job on the instructions and presentation, including giving credit to the original magician who started the "move" upon which so many of these revelation boxes are based.

I give this 5 out of 5 stars and a best of 2013 candidate for sure.
Message: Posted by: magic in mind (Sep 4, 2013 08:59PM)
As I said put a hankie over it leave it on table throught act.Then when time comes take off hankey and they see card etc.Then show revelation.I wouldn't want anyone to know what was in there,but have it always on display.But the beauty of whipping off a silk to show there is something in there then showing them is cool.That how I'm using it.A nice routine borrowed from inner thoughts.To do a magic square routine.But completely mess it up writing down the wrong number time and time again till you've completed your square(mentalism inc auto sq).Then Uncover clarity with in case of emergency You didn't want to have to use this but your going to have to dump out billet and unfold and show at exactly the same time as they reveal theres snap same.Turn your attention to magic sq you created a few mins ago, and say ive been having a little fun with you folks and show them all nos add up to theirs etc of the sq you created.
Message: Posted by: 1KJ (Sep 18, 2013 10:40AM)
MIM,
I like your idea of a hankie over the box, because the card inside the box can't really be scrutinized. If someone is sitting as close to the box as in his demo, they will see that something doesn't look right with the "folded card" in the box.
KJ
Message: Posted by: bobbyk (Sep 18, 2013 02:27PM)
Earlier in this thread I saw the question asked how the Kennedy box compared to LB or Clarity box. I do not own the clarity box but must admit it looks awesome and I love that both it and my LB can be customized to a point. HOWEVER, I find myself always choosing to use my Kennedy Box instead of my LB. why? First I like the smaller size and I prefer it's nice look compared to the LB. Mostly I'm just more comfortable leaving it sit on the table for a few moments. I like the fact that I can place the folded card back into the box, & then hand the box to a spec for he or she to remove it and unfold it. No way I'm putting the LB into someone's hands. For me that's a nice advantage.....
I think both the MB & LB are great for different reasons and it would seem that most agree the Clarity Box is very good as well. I guess it's a "Win-win-win" no matter which you choose.

In the end tho, I'm sticking with my Kennedy Box. Love it!

Best,
Bk
Message: Posted by: saysold1 (Sep 18, 2013 03:00PM)
[quote]
On 2013-09-18 11:40, 1KJ wrote:
MIM,
I like your idea of a hankie over the box, because the card inside the box can't really be scrutinized. If someone is sitting as close to the box as in his demo, they will see that something doesn't look right with the "folded card" in the box.
KJ
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Why put the hanky over a box designed to be clear? Makes no sense.

I replied in the other pot so I'm not picking on you but using Clarity Box with a Hanky would be like buying a convertible Vette in Fairbanks, Alaska. Probably not the ideal choice.


People will not see that something doesn't look right with the card in the box - since performing this about 30 times so far never run into that issue.

Why? Because I ignore the box. I pay no attention to it. It holds no meaning. It is just a dull box.

I prefer not to use the "Emergency" sticker myself (personal taste) as the sticker does draw a little attention - but even with it, people have zero clue what the box means - especially of you do it like David does and do other things prior.
Message: Posted by: Andrew Zuber (Sep 18, 2013 05:36PM)
[quote]
On 2013-09-18 11:40, 1KJ wrote:
MIM,
I like your idea of a hankie over the box, because the card inside the box can't really be scrutinized. If someone is sitting as close to the box as in his demo, they will see that something doesn't look right with the "folded card" in the box.
KJ
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David does this in the close up room at the Castle. The box sits right next to a spectator. They don't notice a thing - I've seen it in person multiple times.

It's called a Clarity Box because the whole point is that it's clear. If that's not your thing, the Kennedy Box is probably more suitable.
Message: Posted by: Jon Allen (Sep 19, 2013 04:02AM)
If people are more interested in a box over to the side of the table than what you are doing.... something is seriously wrong with your performance.