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Topic: New Trick by Charlie Frye & Daniel Cros - Produced by Bazar de Magia
Message: Posted by: Martín Pacheco (Aug 27, 2013 04:45PM)
Hi friends

A new trick from Bazar de Magia, The creators are the genius Charlie Frye and Daniel Cros

Frye's Chips

Leave your audience breathless!!! This highly visual stunt enables you to make a poker chip spin on the tip of your finger. It's amazing, and it looks very real thanks to the genius of Charlie Frye and Daniel Cros. Take a poker chip, place it on the tip of your finger, blow it... and watch it spin! A perfect spinning effect.

You may perform this trick by being practically surrounded.

No thumb tip.
No magnets.
No threads.
Check it out!

To top it all off, you will also obtain 7 bonuses, including Charlie Frye's step by step explanations of a number of impressive poker chip manipulations, plus
his version of the classic twirling cigarette paper, "The Paper Propeller."

Check the video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l5ZLDVbnods

Thanks

Martin Pacheco
Bazar de Magia
http://www.bazardemagia.com
Message: Posted by: atouchofmagic1 (Aug 27, 2013 04:50PM)
Nice release info, price?
Message: Posted by: Chad Sanborn (Aug 27, 2013 05:17PM)
Charlie is the man! I can't believe he is releasing this!
Message: Posted by: Barry Gitelson (Aug 27, 2013 05:32PM)
$39.99 on bazardemagia site. Looks good.
Message: Posted by: saysold1 (Aug 27, 2013 05:46PM)
Looks like it uses IT?
Message: Posted by: saysold1 (Aug 27, 2013 05:46PM)
Ok - it says no threads... but still - looks like IT.
Message: Posted by: Martín Pacheco (Aug 27, 2013 06:04PM)
[quote]
On 2013-08-27 18:46, saysold1 wrote:
Ok - it says no threads... but still - looks like IT.
[/quote]
Hi

No threads -No Skill required - It´s new principle - Easy to do

Thanks

Martin Pacheco
http://www.bazademagia.com
Message: Posted by: smacks183 (Aug 27, 2013 10:59PM)
Can this be adapted to my own chips or am I limited to a chip which is supplied? thanks.
Message: Posted by: Martín Pacheco (Aug 28, 2013 08:22AM)
[quote]
On 2013-08-27 23:59, smacks183 wrote:
Can this be adapted to my own chips or am I limited to a chip which is supplied? thanks.
[/quote]
Is possible adapted to others chips, Charlie show me the same effect with a coin. You only need adapted it.

Thanks

Martin
Message: Posted by: John C (Aug 28, 2013 09:09AM)
Do you need to wear a hat?

Charlie Frye is the master manipulator.

I'm getting one. Not a Charlie Frye, a spinning chip.
Message: Posted by: John C (Aug 28, 2013 09:16AM)
[quote]
On 2013-08-27 19:04, Martín Pacheco wrote:
[quote]
On 2013-08-27 18:46, saysold1 wrote:
Ok - it says no threads... but still - looks like IT.
[/quote]
Hi

No threads -No Skill required - It´s new principle - Easy to do

Thanks

Martin Pacheco
http://www.bazademagia.com
[/quote]

You left the r out of your link.
Message: Posted by: Martín Pacheco (Aug 28, 2013 09:24AM)
[quote]
On 2013-08-28 10:16, John C wrote:
[quote]
On 2013-08-27 19:04, Martín Pacheco wrote:
[quote]
On 2013-08-27 18:46, saysold1 wrote:
Ok - it says no threads... but still - looks like IT.
[/quote]
Hi


No threads -No Skill required - It´s new principle - Easy to do

Thanks

Martin Pacheco
http://www.bazademagia.com
[/quote]

You left the r out of your link.
[/quote]

Hi

here the correct link http://www.bazardemagia.com

sorry for the mistake

Martin
Message: Posted by: MR Effecto (Aug 28, 2013 09:56AM)
Oh ya. I will be a poker hit at the next game. Looks killer. I want.
Message: Posted by: atouchofmagic1 (Aug 28, 2013 10:07AM)
Yeah I'm definitely in.

-Bobby
Message: Posted by: Salby (Aug 28, 2013 10:29AM)
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So, can this be adapted to 50 cent or $1 Coins???

Do you need to wear a hat or other special clothing (Long sleeves, Jacket/Vest, etc.)??
.
Message: Posted by: MR Effecto (Aug 28, 2013 10:52AM)
Will this come to Penguin or MJM ? Hope so soon.
Message: Posted by: Martín Pacheco (Aug 28, 2013 11:18AM)
[quote]
On 2013-08-28 11:29, Salby wrote:
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So, can this be adapted to 50 cent or $1 Coins???

Do you need to wear a hat or other special clothing (Long sleeves, Jacket/Vest, etc.)??
.
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No special Cloting, you can perform it naked !!!
Charlie Frye show me an option with an Euro coin.You need work a little with a coin for this trick.
We decide sell only poker chip because is easy for the spinning. You only blow and the chip start to spin work.

thanks

Martin
Message: Posted by: leomagnus (Aug 28, 2013 01:30PM)
I want!!!!!!!!
Message: Posted by: MR Effecto (Aug 28, 2013 02:23PM)
Its like the magic Gods herd me. Its now on pre order at MJM.
Message: Posted by: smacks183 (Aug 28, 2013 11:16PM)
Thanks. Just want to confirm- I can adapt this to a poker chip from a casino or a poker chip from my home poker set? If so, I am in. Looks great.
Message: Posted by: Mark8infiniti (Aug 29, 2013 07:08PM)
THIS LOOKS AWESOME!.......

Just out of interest, how many of you on here can roll a coin down your hand? I've been practicing for months... 5 mins a day.... just cannot make sufficient progress.
Message: Posted by: bowers (Aug 29, 2013 08:34PM)
Wow that's incredible looking.
Message: Posted by: NicholasD (Aug 29, 2013 09:33PM)
[quote]
On 2013-08-29 20:08, magicmarkworldwide2 wrote:
THIS LOOKS AWESOME!.......

Just out of interest, how many of you on here can roll a coin down your hand? I've been practicing for months... 5 mins a day.... just cannot make sufficient progress.
[/quote]

Make that about a half hour a day and you'll be in business in no time.
Message: Posted by: insight (Aug 30, 2013 12:12AM)
What people need to realize about this is that it's not EASY to do. In fact, this could require months and months of practice before even becoming somewhat proficient.

Regards,
Mike
Message: Posted by: Misophoniac (Aug 30, 2013 12:25AM)
[quote]
On 2013-08-30 01:12, insight wrote:
What people need to realize about this is that it's not EASY to do. In fact, this could require months and months of practice before even becoming somewhat proficient.

Regards,
Mike
[/quote]

[quote]
No skill required.

Easy to do.

New principle.[/quote]

So, which is it guys? It looks great though.
Message: Posted by: GordonTheHypnotist (Aug 30, 2013 02:56AM)
At first glance I thought this looked great but then I couldn't help having this thought. I hope I am wrong but since you have to adapt this to coins or other similar items I imagine that you wouldn't be able to do this on the fly. I watched the video and thought if you really were in the scenario presented on the video and you did something like this, I think almost automatically everyone would say "that's cool, now do it with my chip". And if you couldn't it would not matter how legit your chip looked even if they found nothing wrong or unusual about it. They would think you have a "special" chip. The thing about coin rolls, chip stacking or other manipulations is they can be done but not by everyone they take practice, dexterity and skill. This looks like that but can only be accomplished by a secret gimmick. Doing a bunch of seemingly impossible stunts and then doing something that requires a gimmick only cheapens the actual skill required to do the previous stunts in my opinion. I hope I am wrong I hope once you have the gimmick you can pick up any relative chip and do this on the fly. But the way the ad copy reads I don't believe so. Screams magic for magicians to me and I am not one to be super critical.
Message: Posted by: chappelly (Aug 30, 2013 03:15AM)
[quote]
On 2013-08-30 01:12, insight wrote:
What people need to realize about this is that it's not EASY to do. In fact, this could require months and months of practice before even becoming somewhat proficient.

Regards,
Mike
[/quote]

Are you talking about the coin roll or Charlie's new trick?
Message: Posted by: John C (Aug 30, 2013 06:51AM)
[quote]
On 2013-08-30 03:56, GordonTheHypnotist wrote:
At first glance I thought this looked great but then I couldn't help having this thought. I hope I am wrong but since you have to adapt this to coins or other similar items I imagine that you wouldn't be able to do this on the fly. I watched the video and thought if you really were in the scenario presented on the video and you did something like this, I think almost automatically everyone would say "that's cool, now do it with my chip". And if you couldn't it would not matter how legit your chip looked even if they found nothing wrong or unusual about it. They would think you have a "special" chip. The thing about coin rolls, chip stacking or other manipulations is they can be done but not by everyone they take practice, dexterity and skill. This looks like that but can only be accomplished by a secret gimmick. Doing a bunch of seemingly impossible stunts and then doing something that requires a gimmick only cheapens the actual skill required to do the previous stunts in my opinion. I hope I am wrong I hope once you have the gimmick you can pick up any relative chip and do this on the fly. But the way the ad copy reads I don't believe so. Screams magic for magicians to me and I am not one to be super critical.
[/quote]

Isn't this advice true about any magic trick gimmick? So they say do it with my chip. So what. Do what most competent performers do... Move onto another routine.

This is one of those quick interludes. Do it and move on.
Message: Posted by: MR Effecto (Aug 30, 2013 09:35AM)
John C, your right on.
Message: Posted by: Steven Conner (Aug 30, 2013 09:38AM)
Was this covered in Charlie's lecture on penguin back in May.
Message: Posted by: saysold1 (Aug 30, 2013 10:28AM)
This does look really nice.

Has anyone asked whether anything needs to be DITCHED at the end?
Message: Posted by: Doctor D (Aug 30, 2013 10:38AM)
[quote]
On 2013-08-30 10:38, Steven Conner wrote:
Was this covered in Charlie's lecture on penguin back in May.
[/quote]

No, it wasn't.
Message: Posted by: ludawg (Sep 3, 2013 04:31AM)
Here's a little finesse from Bill Malone, that will make sense to those who have the props. Display a few chips in your left hand, and reach over to take one with your right. It's this one in your right that you perform the stunt with.
Daniel Cros and I came up with this when I was contacted to do the Holland Casino commercial and mockumentary.
Chipmaster commercial http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3wARax5hD3U
Mockumentary Video "The Man Behind the Chip" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3kB7bn4R1FA

If anyone is interested, this is just one of those things I often perform in a casual manner. A good way to whet the audience's appetite prior to a gambling demonstration. When I toss it off in a lecture -- with no explanation, of course -- it tends to be the one trick people always ask about. In my Penguin lecture, it was the same thing. When Martin from Bazar de Magia saw me do it in Santiago, he immediately sought to buy the rights. Daniel Cros and I agreed, as we knew he'd do a good job and is a first class producer. Hope you like it. I look forward to seeing people showing off with it.
Charlie
http://www.charliefrye.com
Message: Posted by: John C (Sep 3, 2013 07:22AM)
What does it matter if something has to be ditched, switched, or hidden. The demo video looks pretty good. We're magicians we're supposed to ditch and switch stuff. That's why we're in business. If there was no ditching and / or switching any one could be a magician and we'd be out of business. The world would no longer need us.

I think it looks great. I'll have one.

J
Message: Posted by: Zombie Magic (Sep 4, 2013 12:02AM)
Penguin has it:

http://www.penguinmagic.com/p/S15773

Blurp:

"When you're inches away, the secret of the stunt is impossible to detect. It looks like you're REALLY balancing a chip on the tip of your finger! It looks perfect from all angles and can be done surrounded.

No thumbtip.
No magnets.
No threads.
No skill required
New Principle - Easy to Do

You will also obtain 6 bonuses, including Charlie Frye's step by step explanations of a number of impressive and real poker chip manipulations. Also included is Charlie's version of the classic twirling cigarette paper, "The Paper Propeller."
Message: Posted by: John C (Sep 4, 2013 07:16AM)
It's obviously not a TT as it's balanced on the finger!
Message: Posted by: magik1 (Sep 4, 2013 07:45AM)
Available to pre-order now and will be in stock early next week

http://www.warpedmagic.co.uk/products/frye-s-chips-dvd-and-gimmicks-by-charlie-frye-dvd

Magik1
Message: Posted by: Luke Dancy (Sep 4, 2013 01:53PM)
Charlie Frye is the man, easy as that!
Message: Posted by: samdan (Sep 5, 2013 05:36PM)
So is it easy or not? Conflicting info on this thread. Thanks.
Message: Posted by: John C (Sep 5, 2013 05:37PM)
[quote]
On 2013-09-05 18:36, samdan wrote:
So is it easy or not? Conflicting info on this thread. Thanks.
[/quote]

No skill. Easy to do. Unless they're lyin, don't think so, sounds like it's easy.
Message: Posted by: samdan (Sep 5, 2013 05:46PM)
John C, I saw the ad but insight says its not easy so wanted to see if someone who owns it could help out.
Message: Posted by: atouchofmagic1 (Sep 5, 2013 06:32PM)
Has anyone gotten this yet?
Message: Posted by: MR Effecto (Sep 5, 2013 06:43PM)
Waiting for reviews myself.
Message: Posted by: John C (Sep 5, 2013 10:40PM)
[quote]
On 2013-09-05 18:46, samdan wrote:
John C, I saw the ad but insight says its not easy so wanted to see if someone who owns it could help out.
[/quote]

Insight is referencing a previous post concerning coin rolling.
Message: Posted by: PendletonThe3rd (Sep 6, 2013 09:10PM)
Just picked this up at the local brick and mortar and opened it up. Not what I expected and I must admit that my Initial reaction is perhaps a bit disappointed.

Keep in mind that I have not set it up, practiced or performed it yet. Just my initial reaction as I opened the box.

I have to say though,and I wonder if others will feel the same way but in Martin's original post (and descriptions on other sites,) the ad copy mentions something that while technically true if taken literally as to the exact definition of the thing mentioned, is not really the case (in my opinion) in terms of the core principle at play here.

Again, the ad copy in question is technically true so maybe it's just me and Im being overly sensitive and should just appreciate the effect for what it is. Anyway, apologies for keeping it vague but I am curious if others who get this will know what I am talking about and feel the same way.

At the end of the day, what I'm being vague about above is probably the reason for my initial disappointment. The effect is super cool so Im sure I'll get over it as I start to play around with it.

In the meantime, the DVD is short and sweet. No long drawn explanations which I like. The set up, though I haven't done it yet, seems simple enough. And it is the type of thing you can have on you in your pocket and quickly get it going.

$50 seems a bit high but, whatever, I suppose one can make that claim about many great pieces of magic.

That's it for now. I'm going to play around with it later and go from there.
Message: Posted by: chappelly (Sep 7, 2013 12:13AM)
Interested to see how you progress this Pendleton.

What were you dissapointed with?

Is the description inaccurate?
Message: Posted by: barts185 (Sep 7, 2013 02:15AM)
[quote]
On 2013-08-27 19:04, Martín Pacheco wrote:


No threads -No Skill required - It´s new principle - Easy to do

Thanks

Martin Pacheco
http://www.bazademagia.com
[/quote]

Intentionally misleading advertising isn't a new principle.
Message: Posted by: barts185 (Sep 7, 2013 02:15AM)
[quote]
On 2013-09-06 22:10, PendletonThe3rd wrote:

I have to say though,and I wonder if others will feel the same way but in Martin's original post (and descriptions on other sites,) the ad copy mentions something that while technically true if taken literally as to the exact definition of the thing mentioned, is not really the case (in my opinion) in terms of the core principle at play here.

Again, the ad copy in question is technically true so maybe it's just me and Im being overly sensitive and should just appreciate the effect for what it is. Anyway, apologies for keeping it vague but I am curious if others who get this will know what I am talking about and feel the same way.

[/quote]

I don't have this but as soon as I saw the no TT qualifier and then watched the trailer, I rolled my eyes.

It doesn't use your thumb so there's no TT. :rolleyes: :thumbsdown:
Message: Posted by: Martín Pacheco (Sep 7, 2013 05:50AM)
The ad is correctly:

No tt - NO FALSE FINGERS
No magnets.
No threads.
Check it out!
No skill required
New Principle - Easy to Do

Thanks

Martin
Message: Posted by: pegasus (Sep 7, 2013 09:57AM)
[/quote]

Intentionally misleading advertising isn't a new principle.
[/quote]

Ain't that the truth?
Message: Posted by: Martín Pacheco (Sep 7, 2013 10:28AM)
Hi Friend

I want to repeat:

That ad is truth NO FALSE FINGER no TT , No magnet - It´s a new principle - No threads. !!!

Thanks

Martin Pacheco
http://www.bazardemagia.com
Message: Posted by: PendletonThe3rd (Sep 7, 2013 11:42AM)
[quote]
On 2013-09-07 06:50, Martín Pacheco wrote:
The ad is correctly:

No tt - NO FALSE FINGERS
No magnets.
No threads.
Check it out!
No skill required
New Principle - Easy to Do

Thanks

Martin
[/quote]

Martin,

I respectfully disagree with one of the claims made in the above. And am surprised that you continue to assert it boldly. Again, if taken completely literally, then fine, you are correct. But the core principle in Frye's Chips is basically the same. And more importantly, the exposure is pretty much identical.

Again, let's see if others who have this will agree with me. If so, hopefully you'll adjust the ad accordingly.

In the meantime, I've played around with this and do enjoy it for what it is is. Would I have purchased it had the ad been a bit less open to interpretation on one of the points? Probably not. Am I glad I did? Well...I am not unhappy with it....
Message: Posted by: John C (Sep 7, 2013 12:04PM)
1 thru 6 which one is a bold misleading statement? Leave at the number.
Message: Posted by: PendletonThe3rd (Sep 7, 2013 12:40PM)
John-In fairness, I'm being vague on purpose so as not to expose. But indeed, I am questioning one of those 6 claims. Maybe it's just me....maybe it's not. Hopefully others will start weighing in on this.

Here's the thing, if I had to market this product, I would not have made one of those six claims. I would have worded it differently so a consumers expectation would have been in check. When expectations are managed properly, usually a consumer is pleased. When they are not, this leads to disappointment.

This is what I believe happened here. Had the copy been worded differently, I believe my expectations would have been in check and in turn, I would have been happier with what I got.
Message: Posted by: Zombie Magic (Sep 7, 2013 01:34PM)
Anyone that has this, not matter the ad, what you get, etc. will you use it? Not play with it, but carry it in your pocket, take it out and use it?

Thanks!
Message: Posted by: PendletonThe3rd (Sep 7, 2013 01:57PM)
Zombie-pleasure to converse with you! Your reviews and insights have helped tremendously so hopefully mine will return the favor! I'm trying to be fair in my posts despite the copy issue so hope it helps.

Anyway, this is indeed something you can have in your pocket and with a couple of seconds of set up, be ready to go. This is true regardless of the ad copy (I also mentioned it in my original post for those just catching up).

I'm at my sons swim practice right now and just doing it casually for no one in particular as I sit in the bleachers. I'm getting some double takes which I think is how this effect works best. When its unexpected, and someone just happens to see you doing it.....and before they know its over. Life goes on but they kind of scratch their heads for a bit.
Message: Posted by: Zombie Magic (Sep 7, 2013 02:16PM)
[quote]
On 2013-09-07 14:57, PendletonThe3rd wrote:

I'm at my sons swim practice right now and just doing it casually for no one in particular as I sit in the bleachers. I'm getting some double takes which I think is how this effect works best. When its unexpected, and someone just happens to see you doing it.....and before they know its over. Life goes on but they kind of scratch their heads for a bit.
[/quote]

PendletonThe3rd, thank you very much for your patience in answering questions. The scenario at your son's swim meet is exactly the way I just do a coin roll and of course it can spark a conversation ( without any magic being performed ).

It would be great to make a small, silent, rotuine with the chip. Coin(chip) roll...mesiah vanish/re-appearance....chip spining and you're done.

Zombieland
Message: Posted by: Martín Pacheco (Sep 7, 2013 03:09PM)
Hi
Thanks for your comments...
No all that you use in your finger is TT. Sample BW or NW (Mentalism props)These not are TT. Magnet Ring no is TT. SO THe gimmick for perform the Frye Chip is not FALSE FINGER ot TT...I´m very honest with it.

Thanks

Martin
Message: Posted by: John C (Sep 7, 2013 05:02PM)
[quote]
On 2013-09-07 16:09, Martín Pacheco wrote:
Hi
Thanks for your comments...
No all that you use in your finger is TT. Sample BW or NW (Mentalism props)These not are TT. Magnet Ring no is TT. SO THe gimmick for perform the Frye Chip is not FALSE FINGER ot TT...I´m very honest with it.

Thanks

Martin
[/quote]

I get what you mean. I think most people get it. There's really only one way something like this could work. Sounds like a great effect.
Message: Posted by: writeall (Sep 7, 2013 06:24PM)
Pendleton, is this part of the ad accurate?
"When you're inches away, the secret of the stunt is impossible to detect... It looks perfect from all angles and can be done surrounded."

This was the part (more than the gimmick) that interested me. Especially the "inches away" and "all angles."

Comment?
Message: Posted by: PendletonThe3rd (Sep 7, 2013 07:04PM)
Hi Writeall,

I'm surprise I actually never noticed that copy! I don't think it was in Martin's original post but looks like that is what's being posted on some of the sites now.

That said, there is definitely some hyperbole going on there. Maybe if your like 48 inches away that can be true!

Kidding aside, I suppose that from 50% of the angles (purposefully vague) you can take some pretty close scrutiny provided certain conditions with the chip are met. For the other 50% of the angles, there is just no way that it is "impossible to detect" at super close range (even mid range is risky). I personally wouldn't risk calling too much attention to it.

Now, you can certainly perform the trick surrounded and get away with it since it' a a pretty quick effect. Like most tricks though, there is an optimal angle you want to be sensitive to. But if you want to show the full 360 degrees, you can but better make it fast so it slips right by (the heat is on).

You can also take some additional steps in the prep, and Charlie shows you one on the DVD, to make it less noticeable.

Hope that helps!
Message: Posted by: writeall (Sep 8, 2013 02:11PM)
Thank you.
Message: Posted by: barts185 (Sep 8, 2013 03:37PM)
[quote]
On 2013-09-07 11:28, Martín Pacheco wrote:
Hi Friend

I want to repeat:

That ad is truth NO FALSE FINGER no TT , No magnet - It´s a new principle - No threads. !!!

Thanks

Martin Pacheco
http://www.bazardemagia.com
[/quote]

Since you're being so ridiculous about this, answer this simple question:

Do you put -ANYTHING- on the finger?

I don't care WHAT you're calling it so that you can say it's NOT a TT or false finger or whatever else it might NOT be called, I'm simply asking if you put ANYTHING on the finger?
Message: Posted by: Zombie Magic (Sep 8, 2013 03:56PM)
Are there different ads? I'm reading the one on Penguin and it says:

No thumbtip.
No magnets.
No threads.
No skill required
New Principle - Easy to Do

Considering it's Charlie Frye, this sounds like a hobbyists dream ( or people like me that lack skill ).


I think I can guess what it is and all they would look at is the chip spinning. Put it into the context of a Slydini one coin rotuine and you'd have an enetertaining piece of magic.

Oddly enough, the part that looks the hardest, the coin spinning, takes no skill. The vanishes/appearances, they take practice;-)

If the package comes with a matching chip, you could plant one under a lapel. I always liked that in one coin routines.

Zombieland
Message: Posted by: NicholasD (Sep 8, 2013 06:07PM)
[quote]
On 2013-09-08 16:37, barts185 wrote:
[quote]
On 2013-09-07 11:28, Martín Pacheco wrote:
Hi Friend

I want to repeat:

That ad is truth NO FALSE FINGER no TT , No magnet - It´s a new principle - No threads. !!!

Thanks

Martin Pacheco
http://www.bazardemagia.com
[/quote]

Since you're being so ridiculous about this, answer this simple question:

Do you put -ANYTHING- on the finger?

I don't care WHAT you're calling it so that you can say it's NOT a TT or false finger or whatever else it might NOT be called, I'm simply asking if you put ANYTHING on the finger?
[/quote]

If you want to know how it's done, you might consider buying it.

I liked the way it looked, so that's what I did.
Message: Posted by: Mark8infiniti (Sep 8, 2013 06:22PM)
NicholasD, can you give us a review and comment on the claims made in the ad copy?

Cheers
Message: Posted by: barts185 (Sep 8, 2013 03:27PM)
[quote]
On 2013-09-08 19:07, NicholasD wrote:
[quote]
On 2013-09-08 16:37, barts185 wrote:
[quote]
On 2013-09-07 11:28, Martín Pacheco wrote:
Hi Friend

I want to repeat:

That ad is truth NO FALSE FINGER no TT , No magnet - It´s a new principle - No threads. !!!

Thanks

Martin Pacheco
http://www.bazardemagia.com
[/quote]

Since you're being so ridiculous about this, answer this simple question:

Do you put -ANYTHING- on the finger?

I don't care WHAT you're calling it so that you can say it's NOT a TT or false finger or whatever else it might NOT be called, I'm simply asking if you put ANYTHING on the finger?
[/quote]

If you want to know how it's done, you might consider buying it.

I liked the way it looked, so that's what I did.
[/quote]

There's very little question about how it's done. For me it was obvious the first time I looked at the trailer, even if I don't know what they want to call the thing on your finger. And I even think this looks good. The only question in my mind is how ridiculous advertisers want to get when making claims.

Bearing in mind that I still don't own this, and haven't had a chance to examine one, if you put -NOTHING- on your finger, I'll apologize and pay $50 to any charity they choose.

If you put something on your finger, playing semantics about what it's called, that's just BS when you're going out of your way to say NO TT, NO false finger, can be looked at from inches away, etc.
Message: Posted by: Mark8infiniti (Sep 8, 2013 03:45PM)
It's true..... if they mention no 'TIP' that means nothing on the tip of your finger.

I saw the trailer and knew, obviously that there must be a tip. The question is, not what it is, but if it really is as undetectable as they say????
I'd be willing to wear an entire false hand to do a trick I liked if it was UNDETECTABLE.

Is it really undetectable?
Message: Posted by: videoman (Sep 8, 2013 04:47PM)
[quote]
On 2013-09-08 16:45, magicmarkworldwide2 wrote:
It's true..... if they mention no 'TIP' that means nothing on the tip of your finger.


[/quote]

First of all, that "rule" is something you have arbitrarily determined in your own mind and is simply your opinion.
Secondly, it's totally ridiculous.

Now if the gimmick were to even remotely resemble a TT, then I would agree that the claims in the ad are misleading.
But obviously there is something on your fingertip.

I think some magicians have come to be as unreasonable as some of the dealers in regards as to what constitutes a misleading ad.

Not defending this ad in particular because I honestly don't know if it is misleading or not.
But you have to allow for a little wiggle room in most cases.

For instance, if this were to use a swami type gimmick then I have no problem whatsoever with them claiming no TT is used.

It just seems like it won't be long before the worst ad-haters will start claiming that these tricks are not real magic!
Message: Posted by: Decomposed (Sep 8, 2013 05:58PM)
Demo and first review both look pretty good. I think the hardest part is working up a creative presentation other then an attention getter. It deserves more then just that.

Decomposing and Spinning
Message: Posted by: Decomposed (Sep 8, 2013 06:04PM)
Doing it in speedos by the pool eliminates the theory of difficult set up.
Message: Posted by: barts185 (Sep 9, 2013 12:09AM)
[quote]
On 2013-09-08 17:47, videoman wrote:
[quote]
On 2013-09-08 16:45, magicmarkworldwide2 wrote:
It's true..... if they mention no 'TIP' that means nothing on the tip of your finger.


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First of all, that "rule" is something you have arbitrarily determined in your own mind and is simply your opinion.
Secondly, it's totally ridiculous.

Now if the gimmick were to even remotely resemble a TT, then I would agree that the claims in the ad are misleading.
But obviously there is something on your fingertip.

I think some magicians have come to be as unreasonable as some of the dealers in regards as to what constitutes a misleading ad.

Not defending this ad in particular because I honestly don't know if it is misleading or not.
But you have to allow for a little wiggle room in most cases.

For instance, if this were to use a swami type gimmick then I have no problem whatsoever with them claiming no TT is used.

It just seems like it won't be long before the worst ad-haters will start claiming that these tricks are not real magic!
[/quote]


Since I'm likely (heh) in the misleading ad-haters category, just curious if you would you feel this is okay to say about a swami that was used to balance a chip(quoting from the ad)

Even when you're inches away, the secret of the stunt is impossible to detect.
It looks perfect from all angles and can be done surrounded.
No skill required


Once I actually see this, will have an internal debate between how good it looks and whether or not I want to support misleading advertising if the quoted points are not true. I could still see this being good for a lot of things even if the quoted points are not true. That's what makes me somewhat sad about this. I think it would likely have been good if they had been upfront about what was involved. But, there's likely more people that will buy it now than if they were truthful, so it's a dilemma.
Message: Posted by: D_avid (Sep 9, 2013 05:25PM)
I just received Frye’s Chips today, and wanted to share my initial thoughts:

When I first opened the package the first thing I immediately noticed was the piece of paper with the last minute additions. It mentions something being included, but I didn’t see any. Maybe mine was an oversight, or minds were changed, but it’s nothing a quick trip to a store couldn’t solve.

I looked over the contents, and my initial confusion slowly turned to delight at how clever and simple this is. There is some initial preparation of the gimmick, but nothing time consuming or complicated, and you will be set for a while (depending on care and storage of the gimmick between performances).

The gimmick does work just as described, and it is very easy to perform!

For the most part, the bonuses teach basic coin slights except with casino chips that can be used in conjunction with Frye’s Chips. If you are a visual learner like me this can come in handy.

I thought the best part was the last bit in the bonus section, The Paper Propeller. I found this to be entertaining and I know it will be something I will use!

As far as working with coins, it is possible, but most likely you will need to make a trip to a local jeweler. It may raise some eyebrows, but it can be done. In fact, I am planning on making some calls this week! I will post more with an update and performance reactions.
Message: Posted by: Mark8infiniti (Sep 10, 2013 08:42AM)
Thanks for the review. Can you comment on how visible the gimmick is? How detectable? Cheers mate.
Message: Posted by: Mark8infiniti (Sep 10, 2013 08:43AM)
Thanks for the review. Can you comment on how visible the gimmick is? How detectable? Cheers mate.
Message: Posted by: Zombie Magic (Sep 10, 2013 08:46AM)
TT's scare Magicians almost as much as IT. Used properly, neither can be seen.
Message: Posted by: atouchofmagic1 (Sep 10, 2013 09:06AM)
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On 2013-09-10 09:46, Zombie Magic wrote:
TT's scare Magicians almost as much as IT. Used properly, neither can be seen.


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Agreed. I use a thumb tip all the time and have seen them used with proper handling there is nothing to see.

Not saying this uses one but if it did who cares. Its not the method that matters its the effect and this looks great.

-Bobby
Message: Posted by: Steven Conner (Sep 10, 2013 10:16AM)
[quote]
On 2013-09-10 10:06, atouchofmagic1 wrote:
[quote]
On 2013-09-10 09:46, Zombie Magic wrote:
TT's scare Magicians almost as much as IT. Used properly, neither can be seen.


[/quote]


Agreed. I use a thumb tip all the time and have seen them used with proper handling there is nothing to see.

Not saying this uses one but if it did who cares. Its not the method that matters its the effect and this looks great.

-Bobby

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If one cannot use a tt, I would hardly call myself a magician. Just watch Salvano to be convinced.
Message: Posted by: Mark Southworth (Sep 10, 2013 11:29AM)
Why do people always single out things & scruntanise every minute detail.

We have all watched the video & was impressed by what Charlie does, that's why we're here.

As for how it works who cares, if you can do that like Charlie, which you can, then it's worth every penny & more !!!

It's not what you get, it's what you do with it.

Too many assumptions, Charlie is a nice guy & credible performer. He is "Awesome" & so is the effect.

Practise is required in what ever you do, to get better.

Things are self-Working.........But YOU have to be there !!

Lets all talk about the effect itself :)

Great Review
DCV
;)
Message: Posted by: D_avid (Sep 10, 2013 11:43AM)
For the most part I do not perform any more, however I did make up the gimmick and showed it to a few friends. No one mentioned they saw anything. Either they didn't, or I just have extremely nice friends. The attention itself is on the spinning chip, plus rotating your finger 180 degrees back and forth while the coin is spinning does help as well.

I am not a fan of switching and handed out the chip with no issues. Now I want to experiment with making a gimmick out of my business card. This should be fun.
Message: Posted by: gjmagic (Sep 10, 2013 04:19PM)
[quote]
On 2013-09-10 12:29, Mark Southworth wrote:
Why do people always single out things & scruntanise every minute detail.

We have all watched the video & was impressed by what Charlie does, that's why we're here.

As for how it works who cares, if you can do that like Charlie, which you can, then it's worth every penny & more !!!

It's not what you get, it's what you do with it.

Too many assumptions, Charlie is a nice guy & credible performer. He is "Awesome" & so is the effect.

Practise is required in what ever you do, to get better.

Things are self-Working.........But YOU have to be there !!

Lets all talk about the effect itself :)

Great Review
DCV
;)


[/quote]

Spot on Mark!
Message: Posted by: kieronthemighty (Sep 10, 2013 05:25PM)
Got this today I love it haven't watched the bonus section yet but can't wait was pleased with the chips I might make this up in coin form.

Realy pleased with my investment can't wait to routine this in my act the gimmicks are well thought out and it's angle proof

Kind regards

Kieron
Message: Posted by: 1KJ (Sep 11, 2013 12:52AM)
I received this recently, and unfortunately, I was dissapointed as well. I have other Charlie Frye material that I really like. It's understandable that not everything is going to be a home run, and this one just didn't do it for me.

I was hoping it used a different method than I thought it did when I saw the trailer, and I was wrong. It uses exactly what I thought it might. I'm not a magic historian, but I can't imagine this is a new concept. In fact, I'm pretty sure I have another coin effect that uses pretty much the same method, but with two coins instead of a coin and a finger, and as I recall, that effect was less than a quarter of the price.

You have to figure that there is a gimmick involved. I was just hoping the gimmick would have been more clever, perhaps something that could be used with any chip.

I think "Writer" has the best idea to modify this method to be used with something else, like a business card. That was probably the best thing that came out of this purchase for me. I think I'm going to have to think about how I could do something like this with a totally different method.

Sorry, but this effect cost a lot of money for a method that I don't believe is particularly new or unique.

KJ
Message: Posted by: Zombie Magic (Sep 11, 2013 01:13AM)
Anyone that has it up for trying it out for soemone in a routine? It looks so good on the demo I'd be surprised if it didn't go over big.
Message: Posted by: Mark8infiniti (Sep 11, 2013 08:07AM)
The cost seems monstrous for what you get....
Message: Posted by: BatsMagic (Sep 11, 2013 10:59PM)
[quote]
On 2013-09-10 12:29, Mark Southworth wrote:
Why do people always single out things & scruntanise every minute detail?
[/quote]

Ummmm..... Maybe because we are tired of wasting money on things that we can't or won't use?

And maybe because we are tired of being lied to?

Just maybe, you know.

Of course, me personally, being the big man that I am, I LOVE wasting my money and I LOVE being lied to.

But that's just me.

:bat:
Message: Posted by: BatsMagic (Sep 11, 2013 11:07PM)
[quote]
On 2013-09-08 19:07, NicholasD wrote:
[quote]
On 2013-09-08 16:37, barts185 wrote:
[quote]
On 2013-09-07 11:28, Martín Pacheco wrote:
Hi Friend

I want to repeat:

That ad is truth NO FALSE FINGER no TT , No magnet - It´s a new principle - No threads. !!!

Thanks

Martin Pacheco
http://www.bazardemagia.com
[/quote]

Since you're being so ridiculous about this, answer this simple question:

Do you put -ANYTHING- on the finger?

I don't care WHAT you're calling it so that you can say it's NOT a TT or false finger or whatever else it might NOT be called, I'm simply asking if you put ANYTHING on the finger?
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If you want to know how it's done, you might consider buying it.

I liked the way it looked, so that's what I did.
[/quote]

He doesn't want to know how it is done; he only wants to know if he is being lied to. Not an unreasonable request, in my opinion.

:bat:
Message: Posted by: Kjellstrom (Sep 12, 2013 07:28AM)
A magic friend (pro magician) bought this and he liked it. I know the secret and its a worker.
Message: Posted by: D_avid (Sep 12, 2013 08:30AM)
... and I just was able to make a working us quarter version. Hmmm... that gives me another idea...
Message: Posted by: Zombie Magic (Sep 12, 2013 06:31PM)
Frist off, DO NOT SELL OR TRADE this until you try it for people. Like any juggling, they are impressed, amused and all smiles. For the most part, that's what we try to do with many t pieces of magic: entertain and bring smiles to people.

When I saw the the 'Chip-umentary" I thought Charlie Frye was spinning the chip on his finger as one of his "takes years to learn" juggling moves. That rascal!

http://youtu.be/3kB7bn4R1FA?t=39s

When Charlie said in his Penguin lecture that this will be a trick we could buy, I was surprised because I thought it was a skill I'd never possess. Remember John Cornelius's "coin that falls up"? What problem did 99% of us hobbyists have with it? It wasn't a gimmick and it took A LOT of practice and a real knack to get it down and we were never going to make it look like John did it ( if you did, welcome to the 1% club ).

Fry's Spinning Chip looks as good when I do it as when Charlie does it. And without practice! Now don't get on me about practice because I practice day and night. If you want to spin a chip on your finger with only practice, have fun not accomplishing it;-)

First, the ad:

No thumbtip.
No magnets.
No threads.
No skill required

CORRECT on all counts.

"How is it done? We can't say, but you will shocked and surprised!"

I opened the box and....was annoyed. Because everything in the box I already had. One thing I have because of playing music. I also had chips with certain properties because I bought them as key chains from the casino. What I didn't have was the smarts to create this.

I've been faux practicing this with the regular chip. Can't be done, but I just wanted to mess with the Mrs. This morning ...I could spin the chip on my finger. Of course she's such a good heart-ed person she just clapped and said "honey, you can do it". Why spoil it for her?

I learned from Gary Darwin, what seems like 100 years ago, that you practice/perform everywhere. Bank lines, Post Office, restaurants, anywhere. Well this spinning chip is perfect! People's LOVE juggling. Street performers make fortunes doing it. No one ever walks by ignoring them and thinking "that's boring, all he did was practice". They're impressed by the skill. They watch, applaud and tip.

On the DVD Charlie has a nice way of getting into this, but I just take the chip out....try to balance it and go ( your hand provides all the cover in the world ). Spin, toss it in the air and catch it with the other hand and put it away or do a Slydini-ish one "chip" routine.

They included 2 chips. So, the other one is under my lapel. I saw David Roth teach a one coin routine in a lecture many years ago and the coin vanished and was under his lapel. It was such a surprise I put a half dollar under mine.

David's routine: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H2VhU_F0V2E

Now I've add I added a spinning chip to that routine!

Some mentioned the price. I had all the stuff for this and I wasn't clever enough to create it, so like with most magic, the price, for me, is moot. If I hate something and won't use it, than $1 was too much. If I'll not only use it, but will do it everywhere ( no point in having magic as a hobby and not do that ) then they probably didn't charge enough. Michael Finney paid $100 for his first thumbtip ( a bartender that Mike worked with fooled the bar and Mike with the vanishing cig and Mike BEGGED him to teach it to him;-)


I LOVE this. And people I did it for today loved it. I couldn't ask for anything more from a magic trick.

Zombie
Message: Posted by: Steven Conner (Sep 12, 2013 07:40PM)
Well said Zombie!
Message: Posted by: davidredfearn (Sep 13, 2013 06:24AM)
Its awesome thanks Mr Frye
Message: Posted by: magik1 (Sep 15, 2013 11:41PM)
This is now back in stock and I agree lay people love to watch 'skill' and especially anything with poker chips is always popular!

http://www.warpedmagic.co.uk/collections/new-products/products/frye-s-chips-dvd-and-gimmicks-by-charlie-frye-dvd

Magik1
Message: Posted by: Irishghost (Sep 19, 2013 02:05PM)
FedEx just let me know that mine is waiting for me in my mailbox. Will post my thoughts asap. I was really sitting on the fence until I seem Zombie's post.

Jeremy
Message: Posted by: Irishghost (Sep 20, 2013 07:33AM)
After I watched the dvd I have to say I am disappointed. Disappointed that I didn't think of this that is lol. I will be using a coin instead, as it will be a great end to my coin set routine. I made a coin last night and it works great!!

Jeremy
Message: Posted by: Zombie Magic (Sep 20, 2013 09:35AM)
I LOVE this release. Charlie did it during his Penguin lecture and the room erupted. He's such a talented juggler, we all thought it was skill to make the chip spin on the finger. And that's what people think when you perform this.

For those that never could get the hang of John Cornelius's Coin That Falls Up....the poker chip makes it so easy to do;-)
Message: Posted by: Havens (Nov 6, 2013 08:25AM)
A very neat trick that looks as good as it does in the demo video. Personally I prefer to load the gimmick with the chip, as opposed to having it already in place, as this feels a lot more natural and means you're free to do other effects before you perform this. If I'm honest for me a couple of factors mean it's not the easiest device to pop in your pocket and carry around and I also have to say I do think it's a little over priced.

As to the thumb tip debate, my opinion is that it isn't a thumb tip but whether it's an entirely new principal might be over selling it a bit. I haven't seen this exact method before but it is very similar to some existing devices and it's not quite as out there as the ad copy may suggest.

Overall it's a great effect with a few minor impracticalities but if you want to spin a poker chip on your finger then this is a great way to do it. There's also some very nice poker chip flourishes demonstrated on the end of the DVD which add to the overall value.
Message: Posted by: Nat (Dec 4, 2013 08:35PM)
I agree with all the compliments -- a terrific effect. I have an extra set if anyone is interested.
Nathan


[quote]
On 2013-11-06 09:25, Havens wrote:
A very neat trick that looks as good as it does in the demo video. Personally I prefer to load the gimmick with the chip, as opposed to having it already in place, as this feels a lot more natural and means you're free to do other effects before you perform this. If I'm honest for me a couple of factors mean it's not the easiest device to pop in your pocket and carry around and I also have to say I do think it's a little over priced.

As to the thumb tip debate, my opinion is that it isn't a thumb tip but whether it's an entirely new principal might be over selling it a bit. I haven't seen this exact method before but it is very similar to some existing devices and it's not quite as out there as the ad copy may suggest.

Overall it's a great effect with a few minor impracticalities but if you want to spin a poker chip on your finger then this is a great way to do it. There's also some very nice poker chip flourishes demonstrated on the end of the DVD which add to the overall value.
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Message: Posted by: Zombie Magic (Dec 4, 2013 08:40PM)
I love Frye's Chip. It's so much fun to do when out and about.