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Topic: Antique (looking) cups?
Message: Posted by: BeThePlunk (Sep 2, 2013 06:48PM)
I recently lost an ebay auction for some really cool looking/ antique looking cups. Does anyone know where ancient looking, more mysterious looking cups can be found?
Message: Posted by: scott0819 (Sep 2, 2013 10:35PM)
Maybe start your search here? Once you know exactly what you are looking for, it might be easier to find.

http://www.cupsandballsmuseum.com/
Message: Posted by: BeThePlunk (Sep 3, 2013 06:00AM)
Thanks, Loyal User, but I can't figure out how to get into the museum. None of the links on that page work for me. If you know the secret, please share it.
Message: Posted by: scott0819 (Sep 3, 2013 11:56AM)
You need to request a password to get in. There is a link to do that on the website (halfway down the page).
Message: Posted by: BeThePlunk (Sep 3, 2013 04:06PM)
Thanks again. I've tried but clicking that link gets no response. I'd really like to see what's going on in there, but there's a glitch somewhere, I guess.
Message: Posted by: CdnAndrew (Sep 3, 2013 04:52PM)
BeThePunk, it sends an email, so opens your desktop email program. If you don't have one like Mail, Thunderbird, or Outlook, you can send your request here: curator@cupsandballsmuseum.com
Message: Posted by: BeThePlunk (Sep 3, 2013 05:16PM)
CdnAndrew, thanks so much.
Message: Posted by: Donnie Buckley (Sep 3, 2013 07:22PM)
You can antique a set of copper cups by baking them in your kitchen oven.
Use solid copper cups (not plated), with any clear coat stripped off and no magnets (the heat will kill magnets).
Turn the oven up to as high as the temp goes (usually 500 degrees). Bake for 20 to 30 minutes. Watch them and remove them when the desired color is reached. You will be surprised at the shades of red colors they will transform thru.

Once cooled, you can highlight the cups with some metal polish. Using the cotton wadding like Nev-r-dull gives you fine control over how much of the patina you will remove. Just hit the beads and the high spots for a dramatic antique effect. After you have a finish that appeals to your eye, wax them, or if you can spray a clear coat (like a lacquer for metal) over the cups to seal in the finish.

If you screw it up, or don't like it, just polish the cups back to raw copper and try again.

Alternately, there are other chemical solutions you can use for other antiquing effects.
Message: Posted by: BeThePlunk (Sep 4, 2013 05:35AM)
Fantastic! I expect my first copper cups to arrive soon. I've bought the Penguins. Can I expect them to be solid copper or plated?
Message: Posted by: scott0819 (Sep 4, 2013 08:18AM)
The Penguin magic website says they are solid copper and buffed. Not sure if they have a clear coat put on them though. Better confirm with Penguin before putting your new cups in the oven!
Message: Posted by: scott0819 (Sep 4, 2013 08:33AM)
You might find this video interesting too:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qz1mvQEXv_k
Message: Posted by: Payne (Sep 4, 2013 10:00AM)
The best antique looking cups currently available are made by the Village tinner on Etsy.com http://www.etsy.com/transaction/144061058?

[img]http://img1.etsystatic.com/000/0/5505945/il_570xN.239882757.jpg[/img]

He custom makes each set and can build them out of a variety of materials. The look vintage because not only are they the right shape for a set of antique cups. But they are also made with the proper techniques. Being soldered together out of flat metal instead of being spun like modern cups.
Message: Posted by: Bill Palmer (Sep 4, 2013 01:20PM)
Win (the Village Tinner) has made an improvement in this design, which you can see in the photo. Instead of having an inset bottom on the cups, he has soldered a cap over the cups. It eliminates that hazardous sharp upper edge the antique cups have.
Message: Posted by: Bill Palmer (Sep 5, 2013 02:05PM)
BTW, don't attempt to heat patinize the cups from the Village Tinner. The heat from the oven might affect the solder. Usually solder melts at a temperature higher than the one Donnie refers to; however, I wouldn't take chances.
Message: Posted by: BeThePlunk (Sep 5, 2013 10:27PM)
Thanks, Donnie, for the advice. I followed your instructions and got some really crazy results -- reds and some blues. NevR Dull is a great product too. It'll be fun to see what time and more experimentation does. Anyhow, the cups are starting to look like things with character now and not cookware from Williams Sonoma. BTW, anyone thinking about antiquing Penguin cups, they are solid (not plated) and they are not lacquered. I dumped them in a bath of lacquer thinner, but I didn't need to. Nothing changed.
Message: Posted by: Donnie Buckley (Sep 6, 2013 09:05AM)
Lacquer thinner will help you remove any oil, grease and dirt from the surface of the metal - even if you can't see it. Using any degreaser or reducer prior to baking will give you a more even patina.
The resulting colors of the patina depend upon what's on the surface of the copper (as well as the quality of the copper itself).
I only recommend using the Nev-R-Dull cotton wadding polish to give it some highlights - around the beads and saddle. You get better control with small bits of cotton wadding than you will with a liquid or paste polish. You don't want to over-highlight the cups.
I would like to see you post a picture here of your results.
Message: Posted by: Donnie Buckley (Sep 6, 2013 09:12AM)
Here's another thread on this topic with other great contributions in it:
http://www.themagiccafe.com/forums/viewtopic.php?topic=437394&forum=115&start=0
Message: Posted by: BeThePlunk (Sep 6, 2013 11:28AM)
That's interesting info about lacquer thinner, oils, and why certain colors appear. I've handled the cups quite a bit since my first experiment, so I'll bake them again now and see what happens. My wife is away for a long weekend, so the kitchen has turned into Frankenstein's laboratory.
Message: Posted by: BeThePlunk (Sep 6, 2013 01:59PM)
Here are the cups fresh out of the oven without any effort to highlight them. It's hard to photograph bright metal and to capture the shifting mix of colors. This shot is in sunlight. (You can see the trees reflected in the saddles.) It's the closest I could come to what I see with the naked eye. Hot reds. Blues that are almost purple. I'm going to stay with this for a while. I'll add only a few highlights and them wax 'em up. By the way, I found the small toaster oven much easier and faster to work with than the regular stove oven.

Hmmm, I attached a photo but it didn't show up.
Message: Posted by: Nate The Magician (Nov 10, 2013 11:50PM)
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On 2013-09-05 23:27, BeThePlunk wrote:
BTW, anyone thinking about antiquing Penguin cups, they are solid (not plated) and they are not lacquered. I dumped them in a bath of lacquer thinner, but I didn't need to. Nothing changed.
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BeThePlunk, thank you. I have been searching around for days to see if Penguins have a lacquer finish.
Message: Posted by: BeThePlunk (Nov 12, 2013 01:16PM)
You bet. BTW, I'm still very happy with mine. Air and handling continue to darken them and I'm thinking of rubbing some highlights into them with NevR Dull. Anyhow, Donnie's advice has held up just great. Ultimate thanks go to him.
Message: Posted by: BobMc (Mar 22, 2017 11:51AM)
Those Village Tinner cups listed above from Etsy look like the Johnny Thompson cups that treat a standard sponge ball like a chop cup. Are they narrow enough at the top to do the same? If so, do they release a sponge ball the same way?
Message: Posted by: Bill Palmer (Mar 25, 2017 09:36PM)
It is not the Johnny Thompson cups that treat a standard sponge ball like a chop cup. It is the Johnny PAUL cups.

And, NO, the cups from the Village Tinner are not narrow enough at the top to do the job. However, you should be able to purchase a set of the Johnny Paul cups from RnT 2.


[quote]On Mar 22, 2017, BobMc wrote:
Those Village Tinner cups listed above from Etsy look like the Johnny Thompson cups that treat a standard sponge ball like a chop cup. Are they narrow enough at the top to do the same? If so, do they release a sponge ball the same way? [/quote]