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Topic: Madison Dealers
Message: Posted by: neemdog (Oct 6, 2013 11:28PM)
I've been kind of hoping this new section would start to kick off, but I guess that just means I should be one of the first!

I got a pack of Madison Dealers last week and I've been using them every day since. They're still in fairly good condition considering the abuse they've been through. The stock and finish are great, just like the Madison Rounders. I'm not sure why, but it feels like Daniel Madison's cards stay intact for a long time. I do some cardistry, and this pack is great for that as well.

I often wish the faces of the court cards were more traditional--DM put all of his friends in their places--but I'm learning to appreciate the change of scene as I use them more.

The back design in "Erdnase Green" is actually really compelling. It seemed busy at first, but I've grown to like them a lot. Borderless backs make them perfect for any card table work, false deals, shuffles, and whatnot.

The marking system is explained online once you buy the deck and it is very clever, pretty easy, and unnoticeable. It's one of the cheapest marked decks you can buy, so that's definitely a plus.

The card box has a slick look and is made out of quasi-card stock material, which is pretty cool.

So, even though this isn't my favorite deck, it's definitely made the top five. The Dealers are great quality, slick, and practical.

Neemdog
Message: Posted by: EricStevens (Oct 7, 2013 12:04AM)
I cut the back design out of a normal Bicycle playing card and overlaid the resulting border over a Dealer card; it actually looks fantastic.
Message: Posted by: neemdog (Oct 7, 2013 10:07AM)
Wow, that sounds really awesome! Any chance you've got a picture?
Message: Posted by: Absinthiste (Oct 7, 2013 01:17PM)
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On 2013-10-07 00:28, neemdog wrote:
Borderless backs make them perfect for any card table work, false deals, shuffles, and whatnot.
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I'm a little new to card table work. How is borderless better, or can you point me to any books/videos that explain this?
I've read a quite a few people complain about black borders with white faces, what's the reason for that and would the same distaste apply to borderless backs too?
Message: Posted by: tomsk192 (Oct 7, 2013 01:54PM)
Borderless backs are good for second deals, etc., and back palming multiple cards, as mentioned above. However, you would not want to have any cards reversed in a borderless deck, as it will stick out like a sore thumb. A good second deal is just fine with white bordered cards.
Message: Posted by: neemdog (Oct 7, 2013 08:43PM)
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On 2013-10-07 14:54, tomsk192 wrote:
...you would not want to have any cards reversed in a borderless deck, as it will stick out like a sore thumb.
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A borderless Triumph can be a boundless disaster...
Message: Posted by: EricStevens (Oct 20, 2013 12:45PM)
I'll try to post a pic for you neemdog. :)
Message: Posted by: Emanuel Chester (Nov 10, 2013 11:14AM)
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On 2013-10-07 14:17, Absinthiste wrote:

I'm a little new to card table work. How is borderless better, or can you point me to any books/videos that explain this?
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Hello! A borderless card is easier for a false deal than a bordered card, because it makes card displacements less noticable. Some other effects are more difficult with borderless cards, like reversed cards, and reversed fans where we pretend that all the card faces are blanks.

Flourishing also benefits from the borders, as they make the action more visible. For this reason, special multi-coloured flourishing decks exist, the most recent of which the Virtuoso deck. I have yet to try it.
Message: Posted by: billy_overheat (Dec 21, 2013 10:55AM)
I'm not sure whether it's the reason I'm staying in Malaysia or what, but I've tried 2 dealers and both of them quickly became unusable. They stuck together like a brick. However, other decks, even bicycle will only to act like that after maybe about 1 or 2 months with extensive usage of shuffling and flourishing.

Tried to contact with Daniel himself but no replies. So, I guess I just have to keep using it.

Nonetheless, the marking system is incredible.
Message: Posted by: C_Biskit (Dec 27, 2013 05:10AM)
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On 2013-10-07 14:17, Absinthiste wrote:
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On 2013-10-07 00:28, neemdog wrote:
Borderless backs make them perfect for any card table work, false deals, shuffles, and whatnot.
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I'm a little new to card table work. How is borderless better, or can you point me to any books/videos that explain this?
I've read a quite a few people complain about black borders with white faces, what's the reason for that and would the same distaste apply to borderless backs too?


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The reason borderless cards work better for table work is that fact that since there isn't white, and just the design, it is really hard for the eye to distinguish where a card is from the next. Take this example, if you have a deck of cards with white borders and you are pushing one card at a time off the top of the deck, you can see easily where the cards separate due to the contrast of the white to the design. Where as borderless cards don't have the contrast of the white to design so the designs kind of run together making it harder for the spectator (and you) to tell where cards start and where they end.

And as for you question about the black border and white faces; YES. If you have a colored, borderless back and you turn a card face up in the middle of the deck you can see exactly where the card is when the deck is squared up. It could also be said that a DL just resting ontop face up could be seen better if you're looking for it. Same would be said with the black border with white face, or any color border for that matter.

Hope this helps!

-Andy
Message: Posted by: C_Biskit (Dec 27, 2013 05:50AM)
I forgot to post my opinion! Sorry! I like the rounders design and the fact that they have held up well since I shuffle after shuffle after shuffle. These are nice and the look and feel are great. I did find that for doing shuffles after shuffles, the flexibility did go down and they weren't as springy as Monarch which I like a little better, I prefer the thicker, more papery feel.

Would I buy them again? Yes! Daniel Madison is one of my favorite Magicians so I might be a little biased..but I like them a lot, just not as much as Monarchs :X
Message: Posted by: Wizzard (Dec 27, 2013 10:37AM)
http://www.ellusionist.com/madison-dealers-green.html
JMN
Message: Posted by: Blindside785 (Jan 3, 2014 11:52PM)
I got the brown rounders and I love them.

A friend ordered me the shadow masters, the artifice tundra, and the black rounders. I can't wait to test them out. I love performing with custom decks.
Message: Posted by: neemdog (Jan 4, 2014 05:12PM)
Yeah, I don't know if it's all the hype, but there's something about the Madison cards that beat any others for me. They seem to hold up much longer than other decks I use, and they're very visually appealing. I get compliments on them all the time--it makes me feel like a violinist getting complimented on his instrument.

I got two extra bricks of Madison Dealers for the holidays, which I am going to enjoy supremely over the next few months. Also, by now I'm totally down with the marking system, which is awesome.
Message: Posted by: Nathan Horne (Feb 17, 2014 09:24AM)
I ordered a few decks to play around with. I normally only do my card magic with rider back bikes, but I really like the look of this deck!
Message: Posted by: Anand Khalsa (Dec 23, 2014 08:22PM)
You can't tell when cards are reversed with the Dealers...
Message: Posted by: DavidKenney (Jan 6, 2015 09:49AM)
Here is my review for the deck: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x9bzvJ-5DRg

I did it tongue and cheek