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Topic: Silk Winding
Message: Posted by: cheaptrick (Dec 18, 2003 04:08PM)
ALLMAGIC.COM has a pretty good article on barehanded
silk production, using a couple ballpoint pens and a rubberband as a silk winder.

Decent article!

http://allmagic.com/magicshow/stage/silktwister.html

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Message: Posted by: stephenbanning (Dec 18, 2003 11:59PM)
Very nice article. Incidentally, Laflin's Magic has an interesting set of silk winder/droppers. They are reasonably priced and easy on the silks. They are not listed on the website at http://www.laflinmagic.com but you can call for information. They are better than a number I have seen in the past. He has a table mounted model and one that can be stolen from the jacket.
Message: Posted by: RandyStewart (Dec 19, 2003 02:10PM)
I tried the method recently and it works! I've tried published methods and a few of my own but I like this one best. Will use it from now on. Thanks for the link cheaptrick.
Message: Posted by: cheaptrick (Jan 4, 2004 01:52AM)
Common wood pencils work better than the ballpoint pens Robinson uses here. IMHO, they are also less likely to leave any permanent mark on the silk.
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Message: Posted by: stephenbanning (Jan 7, 2004 12:03AM)
Cheap Trick,

That link was very helpful. I finally got around to trying the method out and it works very well. I'm still fine tuning it.

Thanks.

Stephen
Message: Posted by: Darkwing (Jan 7, 2004 04:31PM)
Is this that same silk winder that is talked about in the Carl Rosini book? I saw a silk winder in Tannen's web site that was credited to Rosini. It is advertised that you can produce an endless amount of silks.
Message: Posted by: cheaptrick (Jan 7, 2004 08:25PM)
Darkwing,

This is not a commercial product. It is just a method of using a couple of pens or pencils and a rubberband to wind silks in a tight self-contained bundle so they can be produced/manipulated. It's origins are probably lost somewhere in pre-vaudevillian antiquity.

Most books that introduce silks show methods of folding neatly-rolled silks. In the real world, these neatly-folded bundles are hard to do. At least, I've never been able to get them right until I tried this method.

You can buy commercially made products that will do the same thing.

This works as well, if not better than many of the silk rollers on the market.

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Message: Posted by: Leland (Jan 7, 2004 08:48PM)
That is one of my favorites sites to drop by and visit. You never know what trick you are going to get from there. They are all good and can be used at some point.
Message: Posted by: Darkwing (Jan 11, 2004 12:02PM)
I guess I need to start a topic on Carl Rosini's method.
Message: Posted by: hugmagic (Feb 22, 2004 09:33PM)
As per the Rosini Method, this is called the Rosini silk Winder. Paul Diamond gives an excellant demo of it in his Symphony on Silks Lecture which is still available from L& L publishing.

It is a good method to load a streamer or bunch of individual silks in a small area. The first Magic convention I ever went to I saw this lecture and later I saw Abb Dickson get 300 feet of silk streamer into a pop can. Unbelievable.

I do manufacture the winders if you have a need.
Message: Posted by: Bill Hegbli (Feb 22, 2004 11:53PM)
Cheaptrick,

Yes the folding of silk works in the real world, but it must be practiced just like your act. I have been to magic conventions and seen pro's fold a silk faster them most can roll them.

Richard Hughes,

I did not notice the Rosini Silk winder on your site. Can you discribe and give a price? Is it only for large streamer production?
Message: Posted by: cheaptrick (Feb 23, 2004 09:41AM)
Agreed, a REAL silk winder does a great job.

As a "field expedient" (old Army term) the thing with two pencils and a rubber band will get the job done in a pinch, though NOT as well as a good piece of equipment designed for the job.

Thanks, for your comments.

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Message: Posted by: Bob Sanders (Dec 25, 2008 10:10AM)
The Rosini is my personal favorite. (I'm a sucker for well made brass gimmicks.) It is safe for the silks. Homemade models from soda straws, etc. wreck silks.

But then again, since I am the magicians' silk importer I should encourage you to ruin all of them you will and restock! We have customers who never reuse a silk. (Most others even save used rubber bands!)

Quality never goes out of style. Good silk winders do exist. I actually hate to see silks and feather flowers ruined with rubber bands. (Yes, Lucy ruins one about every show. But her supply of silks is a little different from most magicians. You can save the scrap of silk that is not ruined and glue it into a TT!)

Bob Sanders
Magic By Sander
Message: Posted by: hugmagic (Dec 25, 2008 04:31PM)
I am sorry I dropped the ball on replying to the questions on this item.

The Rosini Silk Winder is best used on streamers in my opinion. It can be used on strings of silks or silks tied together but best on streamers. It allows you to put a large silk into a small bobbin like configuration.

It is listed on my website in the catalog under the silks products. I do still make them.

I will eventually get a video put together on it's use but until then Paul Diamond's Sympontic in Silks is a good reference.

Richard
Message: Posted by: Lynetta (Dec 25, 2008 06:26PM)
Here is a link to my [url=http://www.fabricmanipulation.com/magictricks/products/Super_Silk_Roller_Holder-11-1.html]Silk Roller/Holder[/url]. I hand make them out of brass. I've added a couple features, but they are based off of the old method that is shown in Rice's Encyclopedia of Silk Magic.

Lynetta
Message: Posted by: Bob Sanders (Dec 25, 2008 07:32PM)
There is that good looking lady I read about this month!

Hello Lynetta,

Great to see you here on The Magic Café. One of these days I'll catch you in Arkansas at Eureka Springs. (March?)

BRASS! You know what I like in Silk Winders! Thank you for showing these folks what's available. Knots don't hurt silks, but rubber bands can.

Lynetta's solves the "reset" problem too!

Thanks Lynetta!

Bob Sanders
Magic By Sander