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Topic: Vapr by Will Tsai
Message: Posted by: gimmickless (Nov 5, 2013 05:23AM)
This will be released soon, looks amazing
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=343rHlNGS3g
Message: Posted by: doriancaudal (Nov 5, 2013 06:08AM)
What is the difference with SSS by Shin Lim ?
Message: Posted by: Stucky (Nov 5, 2013 06:18AM)
From what I have heard a LOT!
Message: Posted by: RNK (Nov 5, 2013 08:19AM)
Not impressed by the theatric video but hopefully the effect will be practical and a worker. Will have to wait for some reviews first.

RNK
Message: Posted by: emyers99 (Nov 5, 2013 09:01AM)
Awesome. Another smoke device I can add to my collection of unused smoke devices ;)
Message: Posted by: Alex DLF (Nov 5, 2013 09:09AM)
From what I heard, nothing can beat Magic smoke V2 :)
Message: Posted by: Magic KL (Nov 5, 2013 11:54AM)
The trailer doesn't tell us anything...
Message: Posted by: oliversmith (Nov 5, 2013 12:03PM)
It would be really nice to see a video explaining the device on a private page (like Ellusionist did with pure smoke).
Message: Posted by: PendletonThe3rd (Nov 5, 2013 12:04PM)
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On 2013-11-05 12:54, Magic KL wrote:
The trailer doesn't tell us anything...


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Im hungry for more as well! But I guess it's more of a teaser and it worked...we are teased and intrigued. I wonder how this will stack up against Magic Smoke v2 and Pure Smoke, etc....
Message: Posted by: Tom Jorgenson (Nov 5, 2013 12:10PM)
So, am I to presume that I can make the smoke go back up into the glass as shown, or is this vid so artsy-pretentious as to be useless?

Pick one.
Message: Posted by: Tom Jorgenson (Nov 5, 2013 12:34PM)
That was a bit Snarky. Will's thinking has a very good track record, from what I can tell.

..but I am really tired of the moody come-ons that say nothing and conceal much. You can't tell the gold from the mold from them and sometimes that gets expensive.


But I loved the quote...what is that from?
Message: Posted by: mrmagic0 (Nov 5, 2013 01:05PM)
I say wait a few month's and he will come out with a kit for the do it yourself version like he did the CD prediction. I won't ever get burned again.

Ron
Message: Posted by: Martin.Lester (Nov 5, 2013 05:37PM)
[quote]
On 2013-11-05 14:05, mrmagic0 wrote:
I say wait a few month's and he will come out with a kit for the do it yourself version like he did the CD prediction. I won't ever get burned again.

Ron
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I am Ron on this one , this guy simply can't be trusted at all
Message: Posted by: Sean Giles (Nov 6, 2013 02:07AM)
Maybe he learned a lesson. Doesn't he deserve another chance?
Message: Posted by: Magic KL (Nov 6, 2013 12:15PM)
Will is a creative guy, and I like his tricks. However, more info on the trailer would be nice.
Message: Posted by: KyleMarlett (Nov 6, 2013 12:34PM)
Hey Everyone!

Oh man guys! You are going to love this! I just got a test Vapr the other day and I must say this is the BEST smoke device I've every seen! Seriously! It's half the size and half the noise than other devices, It's so much more smoke, no battery pack, it's all re chargeable via USB, no more wearing a elastic strap, and it can be controlled via REMOTE CONTROL!

I'm not even kidding when I say this is the best and I may sound super excited about it and that's because I am! I even showed my friends Justin Flom,Bizzaro, and Calen Morelli Vapr and they wanted it so bad that they tried to take mine, HA!

I love the fact that it's remote control because I don't even need to have the smoke from my hand, I can put it in any prop I want and control the smoke from up to 50ft I think. Also the other cool thing is that unlike other devices you control how long of smoke you want. So you can do it for one sec or for a full minute!

The video that was posted above was just a teaser and I know the full demo and a full explaination fo the product in a week or so.

-Kyle
Message: Posted by: carlwag (Nov 6, 2013 12:57PM)
This can't be more silent than magic smoke v2 , magic smoke v2 is silent
Message: Posted by: KyleMarlett (Nov 6, 2013 01:19PM)
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On 2013-11-06 13:57, carlwag wrote:
This can't be more silent than magic smoke v2 , magic smoke v2 is silent
[/quote]


For me, the remote feature, how small it is and the large volume of smoke this thing puts out far outwieghs any whisper of a sound this puts out.

-Kyle
Message: Posted by: Magic KL (Nov 6, 2013 01:28PM)
Now you got me excite, Kyle!! And you are so lucky to get to test it before most of us here (...very jealous...). Do you know when the release date is?
Message: Posted by: KyleMarlett (Nov 6, 2013 01:35PM)
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On 2013-11-06 14:28, Magic KL wrote:
Now you got me excite, Kyle!! And you are so lucky to get to test it before most of us here (...very jealous...). Do you know when the release date is?
[/quote]

I'm trying to get the authorization to post more info this afternoon, hang tight.

-Kyle
Message: Posted by: Magic KL (Nov 6, 2013 02:39PM)
Hopefully, you are permitted to let us know about the release date and price. Thank you in advance!!!!!!!!!
Message: Posted by: RNK (Nov 6, 2013 02:40PM)
Well. Now I am intrigued. Looking forward to more info Kyle.

RNK
Message: Posted by: doriancaudal (Nov 6, 2013 03:18PM)
From what I have heard, keep your money for the end of the year for something really great coming soon.

A highly reliable system, a good continuous smoke "flow" system... Small, reliable, not incredibly expensive, possible to be controlled from a distance. From some fertile and genious french minds, will come soon what you have always dreamt of... The nicest device to produce smoke is coming soon, and believe me, it will by far exceeds all that already exist...

Be patient and keep your money, trust me.
Message: Posted by: JackMagic (Nov 6, 2013 03:42PM)
[quote]
On 2013-11-06 03:07, Sean Giles wrote:
Maybe he learned a lesson. Doesn't he deserve another chance?
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I could say the same thing to you about Cobra Magic who I could say to you don't they deserve another chance

Unlike you mate Will who has no ethics at all

Give him 6 months and you will be able to get a DIY kit for $24
That's the way he operates !
Message: Posted by: JackMagic (Nov 6, 2013 03:47PM)
[quote]
On 2013-11-06 16:18, doriancaudal wrote:
From what I have heard, keep your money for the end of the year for something really great coming soon.

A highly reliable system, a good continuous smoke "flow" system... Small, reliable, not incredibly expensive, possible to be controlled from a distance. From some fertile and genious french minds, will come soon what you have always dreamt of... The nicest device to produce smoke is coming soon, and believe me, it will by far exceeds all that already exist...

Be patient and keep your money, trust me.
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Thanks for the Heads Up

I for one along will Ron and Several others will never deal with Wil again so good to hear a better alternative will be available !
Message: Posted by: Alex DLF (Nov 6, 2013 03:55PM)
The new "French" smoke device will be by the creator of invisible Damien Savina and one of the expert in coin gaff, Xavier Belmont. All this running by the same company which produced Invisible.. It sounds like a miracle !
Message: Posted by: johndevacmaker (Nov 6, 2013 04:00PM)
I was also burned by Will Tsai and no Sean he doesn't deserve a second chance
Your a great one to defend him after the way you slaughtered Cobra magics White Board
Double standards come to mind
Message: Posted by: johndevacmaker (Nov 6, 2013 04:06PM)
I was also burned by Will Tsai and no Sean he doesn't deserve a second chance
Your a great one to defend him after the way you slaughtered Cobra magics White Board
Double standards come to mind
Message: Posted by: KyleMarlett (Nov 6, 2013 04:07PM)
[quote]
On 2013-11-06 16:42, JackMagic wrote:
[quote]
On 2013-11-06 03:07, Sean Giles wrote:
Maybe he learned a lesson. Doesn't he deserve another chance?
[/quote]

I could say the same thing to you about Cobra Magic who I could say to you don't they deserve another chance

Unlike you mate Will who has no ethics at all

Give him 6 months and you will be able to get a DIY kit for $24
That's the way he operates !
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The DYI kit is already out there, it's called SSS by Shin Lim. This is a completely separate product that can't be done in DYI fashion. Remote triggering requires electronics and specific power requirmenets. Electric engineer DYI enthusiasts may be able to DYI the product, but I would suspect the mortals of the world, like me, would just buy the unit for quality and conveneience. I have no interest in this level of DYI, especially when it dips into my arkham asylum time...

-Kyle
Message: Posted by: KyleMarlett (Nov 6, 2013 06:31PM)
Hey guys!

So I talked Murphy's into letting me share more Vapr with you!

Vapr - A new smoke device that changes everything!

See videos, images and more:
http://www.murphysmagic.com/vapr/

More to come in the next week. Stay tuned.

-Kyle
Message: Posted by: PendletonThe3rd (Nov 6, 2013 06:42PM)
Thanks Kyle. Im excited about this now. Looks like it is along the lines of some of the other smoke devices out there but hopefully indeed this will be better.

Though I have many questions still (refills, price, etc), I know this is all a teaser so thanks for sharing the info you have so far.

Looking forward to 11/22...

[quote]
On 2013-11-06 19:31, KyleMarlett wrote:
Hey guys!

So I talked Murphy's into letting me share more Vapr with you!

Vapr - A new smoke device that changes everything!

See videos, images and more:
http://www.murphysmagic.com/vapr/

More to come in the next week. Stay tuned.

-Kyle




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Message: Posted by: Xiqual (Nov 6, 2013 11:04PM)
Will the atomizer be replaceable? The main reason these devices fail is the atomizer burns out. Those vaping people could teach us alla bit about smoke device repair.
James

[quote]
On 2013-11-06 19:31, KyleMarlett wrote:
Hey guys!

So I talked Murphy's into letting me share more Vapr with you!

Vapr - A new smoke device that changes everything!

See videos, images and more:
http://www.murphysmagic.com/vapr/

More to come in the next week. Stay tuned.

-Kyle




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Message: Posted by: JackMagic (Nov 7, 2013 03:59AM)
[quote]
On 2013-11-06 17:06, johndevacmaker wrote:
I was also burned by Will Tsai and no Sean he doesn't deserve a second chance
Your a great one to defend him after the way you slaughtered Cobra magics White Board
Double standards come to mind
[/quote]

Well Said John could not agree with you more ,

I for one will give this miss and with the news that a better product is about to hit the street , I will wait for that one
Message: Posted by: doriancaudal (Nov 7, 2013 04:19AM)
[quote]
On 2013-11-07 04:59, JackMagic wrote:
I for one will give this miss and with the news that a better product is about to hit the street , I will wait for that one
[/quote]

You won't be disappointed, I swear ;)
Message: Posted by: Stucky (Nov 7, 2013 05:03AM)
[quote]
You won't be disappointed, I swear ;)
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Is this the new one you speak of? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oDv4xKhmy8o&feature=youtu.be
Message: Posted by: doriancaudal (Nov 7, 2013 05:10AM)
[quote]
On 2013-11-07 06:03, Stucky wrote:
[quote]
You won't be disappointed, I swear ;)
[/quote]

Is this the new one you speak of? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oDv4xKhmy8o&feature=youtu.be
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No, it's different.
Message: Posted by: KyleMarlett (Nov 7, 2013 10:32AM)
[quote]
On 2013-11-07 00:04, Xiqual wrote:
Will the atomizer be replaceable? The main reason these devices fail is the atomizer burns out. Those vaping people could teach us alla bit about smoke device repair.
James
[quote]


Yes, the atomizer is easily replaceable!

-Kyle
Message: Posted by: Xiqual (Nov 7, 2013 05:13PM)
Thanks Kyle!This will be great. Do you have an idea of the cost?
James


[quote]
On 2013-11-07 11:32, KyleMarlett wrote:
[quote]
On 2013-11-07 00:04, Xiqual wrote:
Will the atomizer be replaceable? The main reason these devices fail is the atomizer burns out. Those vaping people could teach us alla bit about smoke device repair.
James
[quote]


Yes, the atomizer is easily replaceable!

-Kyle
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Message: Posted by: Paul Gross (Nov 7, 2013 05:17PM)
Hello James,

We will have this as soon as it is available which won't be much longer...The price will be $179.95. There is a short video demo on the front page of our website.

Best regards
Paul Gross
Owner
Hocus Pocus
Message: Posted by: PendletonThe3rd (Nov 7, 2013 05:28PM)
Interesting price point. Between Pure Smoke and Magic Smoke 2....VAPR came to play. Hopefully the price will be justified.
Message: Posted by: doriancaudal (Nov 7, 2013 05:31PM)
As said previously, save your money... ;) Just kidding... (or not !).
Message: Posted by: johndevacmaker (Nov 7, 2013 05:52PM)
Yes save your money
Message: Posted by: Xiqual (Nov 7, 2013 06:17PM)
Here is some more information:
http://www.sansminds.com/index.php/vapr.html
James
Message: Posted by: Rabid (Nov 8, 2013 06:55AM)
[quote]
On 2013-11-07 18:31, doriancaudal wrote:
As said previously, save your money... ;) Just kidding... (or not !).
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I gotta say that I find it highly disrespectful of you to come on to a thread about one product and tell people not to buy it because you want them to buy a different one (your product or a friends I'd imagine).

Why not go and start your own thread about this wonder product of yours / that you've heard of.

Pretty bad taste mate.

Steph
Message: Posted by: gimmickless (Nov 8, 2013 04:31PM)
Hocus-pocus offer free shipping worldwide on this
Message: Posted by: Paul Gross (Nov 8, 2013 05:37PM)
Hello,

There is a lot of buzz over this item....And for good reason...Here is an update on Vapr..This will ship on Thursday November 22 GUARANTEED! Stay tuned to our website for more updates and new video demos as they become available.

Best regards
Paul Gross
Owner
Hocus Pocus
Message: Posted by: Zombie Magic (Nov 8, 2013 05:50PM)
Penguin's site lists Vapr as "ARRIVING NOV 22ND".

http://www.penguinmagic.com/p/3797

I held off on the other 2 smoke products on the market. Hopefully reviews on Vapr are positive.

Vapr's product specs are what I was looking for, so I hope anyone reviewing can mention the claims:

Half the size of other smoke units.
Double the smoke output.
Remote operated up to 50ft.
Repeat over and over instantly.
Continuous smoke production up to a full minute.
Super Silent Operation.
No chest straps.
Message: Posted by: Paul Gross (Nov 8, 2013 05:57PM)
Hello all,

Regarding the post above...It may be arriving on their website on the 22nd..But we will have it in stock and we'll be shipping ours out to all who place their order on the 22nd no waiting Free Worldwide shipping GUARANTEED!

Best regards
Paul Gross
Owner
Hocus Pocus
Message: Posted by: KyleMarlett (Nov 8, 2013 07:10PM)
Hey guys!


VAPR by Sans Minds Magic - Teaser 2

Another little Vapr teaser from our friends over at Sans Minds Magic.

See release date and more info at:
http://www.murphysmagic.com/vapr/

Enjoy
Kyle
Message: Posted by: carlwag (Nov 8, 2013 09:17PM)
Magic smoke will still be the best product imo after all these come out , silent ,100% reliable and cheap refills also every part is cheap to replace if needed .

Carl
Message: Posted by: Magic KL (Nov 9, 2013 01:31AM)
:O

Did they just make fun of the other smoke device?
Message: Posted by: Harrismatic (Nov 9, 2013 05:13AM)
I own and use Magic Smoke V2 and I am very satisfied with it. I can not avoid admiting that even if Magic Smoke V2 is the best one out there till today, I would always want more.

I can not also deny that Vapr is such an elegant and promising device, an actual eye-candy.

It will be tested for its silent operation, its remote activation and the thick vapor production. I still am on the fence, even if this features all these, if I would be willing to pay the extra refilling needed considering that possibly once a cartidge is opened its life starts to wear off.
Message: Posted by: max88 (Nov 9, 2013 05:46AM)
[quote]
On 2013-11-06 19:31, KyleMarlett wrote:
Hey guys!

So I talked Murphy's into letting me share more Vapr with you!

Vapr - A new smoke device that changes everything!

See videos, images and more:
http://www.murphysmagic.com/vapr/

More to come in the next week. Stay tuned.

-Kyle




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Look like this product will have several videos come out before the release.
The current one on the page is the second video which like apple product to indicate its better than other. The first video publish sometime ago which just hook people emotion. I look forwards to the another 3 videos come in soon which can show what it capable.
Message: Posted by: Alex DLF (Nov 9, 2013 05:54AM)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GQmU8raVjCU

Am I the only one to find this weird ? I mean, it's the first time a magic add "compares" two products..
Message: Posted by: alextsui (Nov 9, 2013 06:37AM)
I think the best feature of Vapr is the remote control which so far is not available in other smoke gimmicks.
Message: Posted by: max88 (Nov 9, 2013 07:29AM)
[quote]
On 2013-11-09 06:54, Alex DLF wrote:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GQmU8raVjCU

Am I the only one to find this weird ? I mean, it's the first time a magic add "compares" two products..
[/quote]

Of course you are not the only one. It called marketing strategy. If this thread go to 10 pages to debate it right or not, it will be success of marketing.
And I guess this is the only magic product so far launch several promotion videos in sequence.
I hope they put big effort also in the product instead of just creat nice hype.

We will see..
Message: Posted by: Harrismatic (Nov 9, 2013 07:48AM)
The idea has been already used in the past from pepsi and the adv was banned

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DijFob8vxgI
Message: Posted by: Xiqual (Nov 9, 2013 10:37AM)
I thought it was great! Who is the actor playing the magician? Funny, not over acted. Verygood.
James


[quote]
On 2013-11-09 06:54, Alex DLF wrote:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GQmU8raVjCU

Am I the only one to find this weird ? I mean, it's the first time a magic add "compares" two products..
[/quote]
Message: Posted by: Alex DLF (Nov 10, 2013 10:21AM)
A crucial point is that : How long a cardridge can stay "open" ? Because it was a problem with PS from what I heard
Message: Posted by: professorwho (Nov 10, 2013 11:06AM)
From the picture the cartridge looks similar to cartomisers rather than the PS type
Message: Posted by: Mark8infiniti (Nov 10, 2013 01:42PM)
NOW THIS HAS MY ATTENTION.

I've owned 2 smoke devices to date:

*PURE SMOKE: Pure Joke. Broke after 2 performances, and, my initial device was faulty anyway.

*Magic Smoke; I loved this and it did the same job as PS much better! UNFORTUNATELY, after continued use and wear and tear, I needed to get a new central unit and end filter. I was delighted by the fact iLLUSIONCRAFT were offering replacement parts and I was more than happy to pay the money.... but their customer service is non existant. I must have sent email after email, contacted through the site etc, and they just never, ever got back to me, ever. It is not possible to purchase the additional parts through the site database - so asking them is the only option - but nothing upon nothing.

I would love to carry on using Magic Smoke but due to illusioncraft uselessness I can't seem to get the parts and cannot buy a brand new one. I know you all claim their service is awesome, but I have strangely only ever been ignored.

So, I love the look of this, and, hope it does what it says it does, without the drawbacks of pure smoke.

Also, cartridges don't scare me. All you have to do is open them and add glycerine - no need to ever refill. Cartidges are just plastic holders with cotton wool soaked in glycerine....
Message: Posted by: Martin.Lester (Nov 10, 2013 04:34PM)
[quote]
On 2013-11-10 12:06, professorwho wrote:
From the picture the cartridge looks similar to cartomisers rather than the PS type
[/quote]

The fact he has to bring out 5 Video's before the official release

Should be a warning to all

Lot of BS to sell a lot of units on Pre release !

As a better version is due out soon , I say wait and see and don't be taken in by all the HYPE !
Message: Posted by: Mark8infiniti (Nov 10, 2013 05:19PM)
... At least he is showing videos!!! Unlike some hyped launches.....


Anyway, what is this other better version??
Message: Posted by: johndevacmaker (Nov 10, 2013 05:35PM)
Well said Martin.
Don't be taken in by Will Tsai
Message: Posted by: max88 (Nov 10, 2013 07:06PM)
Anyone has idea how the remote smoke can used in some effect? Will it be strong or just give a nice add on?
Message: Posted by: KyleMarlett (Nov 11, 2013 01:10PM)
[quote]
On 2013-11-10 20:06, max88 wrote:
Anyone has idea how the remote smoke can used in some effect? Will it be strong or just give a nice add on?
[/quote]

Hey Man!

I'm most excited about the remote smoke aspect! For the longest time I've wanted to do an effect with a toaster on stage but couldn't find a reliable cheap way to make the toaster smoke. What's great about Vapr is that it's so small that it can fit in almost anything and can be set off from across the stage!

-Kyle
Message: Posted by: MR Effecto (Nov 11, 2013 03:31PM)
I wonder how long the unit will last? I would love to get one but I think I will wait until at least 6 months and read reviews.
Message: Posted by: Frank Borton (Nov 11, 2013 07:11PM)
Good evening to all my magic friends, this is my first post in the Magic Cafť, and promptly I read something interesting, The Vapr Gimmik.
The video shows me already that it does not differ much to the already existing Gimmiks such as PS and MS.
I`m Really looking forward to the French product, which will also soon be on the market.
From direct source also another competing product will soon be launched, which will put everything in the shade.
Message: Posted by: takeachance (Nov 11, 2013 07:20PM)
Why don't you guys just start another topic that talks about the merit of this other product instead of being annoying and making unsubstantiated comments on this thread.
Message: Posted by: VMagical (Nov 11, 2013 07:41PM)
I personally am looking forward to Vapr. If anyone else has other smoke devices they'd like to sell
, please start another topic.
Message: Posted by: elimagic (Nov 11, 2013 09:27PM)
[quote]
On 2013-11-11 20:41, VMagical wrote:
I personally am looking forward to Vapr. If anyone else has other smoke devices they'd like to sell
, please start another topic.
[/quote]

I second this
Message: Posted by: max88 (Nov 12, 2013 12:38AM)
[quote]
On 2013-11-11 20:11, Frank Borton wrote:
Good evening to all my magic friends, this is my first post in the Magic Cafť, and promptly I read something interesting, The Vapr Gimmik.
The video shows me already that it does not differ much to the already existing Gimmiks such as PS and MS.
I`m Really looking forward to the French product, which will also soon be on the market.
From direct source also another competing product will soon be launched, which will put everything in the shade.
[/quote]

Please start another thread and put the demo out.
If there is really another product out soon for smoke effect, not matter it is good or bad, you shall move fast to win the competation.

Post in this thread will not help at all for potention buyer.
Message: Posted by: JackMagic (Nov 12, 2013 01:35AM)
[quote]
On 2013-11-11 20:11, Frank Borton wrote:
Good evening to all my magic friends, this is my first post in the Magic Cafť, and promptly I read something interesting, The Vapr Gimmik.
The video shows me already that it does not differ much to the already existing Gimmiks such as PS and MS.
I`m Really looking forward to the French product, which will also soon be on the market.
From direct source also another competing product will soon be launched, which will put everything in the shade.
[/quote]

Thanks for the update

I think a lot of people have been taken it by all the Hype

When a new a better product is brushed away just because you have a few video's hyping a product

I for one will look forward to hearing more about this
Message: Posted by: Kim DŤrvan (Nov 12, 2013 01:41AM)
[quote]
On 2013-11-10 14:42, magicmarkworldwide2 wrote:
...

*Magic Smoke; I loved this and it did the same job as PS much better! UNFORTUNATELY, after continued use and wear and tear, I needed to get a new central unit and end filter. I was delighted by the fact iLLUSIONCRAFT were offering replacement parts and I was more than happy to pay the money.... but their customer service is non existant. I must have sent email after email, contacted through the site etc, and they just never, ever got back to me, ever. It is not possible to purchase the additional parts through the site database - so asking them is the only option - but nothing upon nothing.

I would love to carry on using Magic Smoke but due to illusioncraft uselessness I can't seem to get the parts and cannot buy a brand new one. I know you all claim their service is awesome, but I have strangely only ever been ignored.

...[/quote]

Same here. IllusionCraft customer service in none! I even ordered the replacement part by mail and after payment they send me a mail back with the confirmation of my order. Till today I haven't received anything. I hope they'll have a dealer booth at Blackpool Magic Convention so I can pay them a visit. I want my money back!

The VAPR looks like a good alternative for magic smoke V2. I am still on the lookout to find a method/device where I can produce smoke from my hands with my sleeves rolled up. Maybe a combination of a smoke device (remotely activated) and a pull or something.
But if the following months other smoke devices will hit the market I'm going to wait until the differences between the devices are clear.
Message: Posted by: doriancaudal (Nov 12, 2013 01:47AM)
Seriously, wait for the french product coming really soon... Or let it for us, if you prefer Vapr ;)
Message: Posted by: Rabid (Nov 12, 2013 04:18AM)
[quote]
On 2013-11-12 02:47, doriancaudal wrote:
Seriously, wait for the french product coming really soon... Or let it for us, if you prefer Vapr ;)
[/quote]

Seriously...get a room.
Message: Posted by: doriancaudal (Nov 12, 2013 04:27AM)
[quote]
On 2013-11-12 05:18, Rabid wrote:
[quote]
On 2013-11-12 02:47, doriancaudal wrote:
Seriously, wait for the french product coming really soon... Or let it for us, if you prefer Vapr ;)
[/quote]

Seriously...get a room.
[/quote]

You don't get my point... at all. From what I see, Vapr seems perfefct, it seems to be the dream for a person who want to produce smoke silently, easily, etc. But I prefer to be honest with people and say that a similar and better product is coming soon on the market, it is my right, and it is actually not possible to open a thread about this product (secret and underground for the moment ;) ). I don't force anyone not to buy Vapr, so please don't feel aggressed ;)
Message: Posted by: Rabid (Nov 12, 2013 04:33AM)
I understand that Dorian...but it really is pretty bad taste to keep hijacking a thread about one product to keep telling people you think they should wait for 'another' product is all.

Surely you can see that?

If this other product you know of is so good, why not spill some beans on it...why is it so much better etc?

Kind regards

Steph
Message: Posted by: doriancaudal (Nov 12, 2013 04:38AM)
[quote]
On 2013-11-12 05:33, Rabid wrote:
I understand that Dorian...but it really is pretty bad taste to keep hijacking a thread about one product to keep telling people you think they should wait for 'another' product is all.

Surely you can see that?

If this other product you know of is so good, why not spill some beans on it...why is it so much better etc?

Kind regards

Steph
[/quote]

You are right, I am now stopping talking about this other product coming soon and from now I will only focus on Vapr on this thread, it's fair. Let's wait.
Message: Posted by: ash2arani (Nov 12, 2013 07:10AM)
I completely understand Dorian's comment especially that this is a fairly high-priced items (although I am sure it is worth it by the looks of it). I personally would have hated to buy an item only to find an alternative shortly after that ends up fitting me better.

For those who are willing to jump on board immediately, then Dorian's comment would make no difference, and for those who are on the fence (like me), Dorian's comment can serve as a brake to wait.

Either way, I am very interested in seeing how Vapr unfolds. Pure smoke was not very well received by people (production-wise) and I could not get Magic Smoke v2 due to budget issues. However, now I am really interested in adding a a smoke device to my arsenal and the idea of remote control is such a great aspect of it.


I cannot wait for the release.
Message: Posted by: max88 (Nov 12, 2013 09:49AM)
Finally the 3rd video is out, it can see shortly how the device is in action.

http://youtu.be/5lkgRQuGj4M
Message: Posted by: peterger (Nov 12, 2013 10:04AM)
Well..that's a very clear trailer now...It even shows the tool itself.
Looks very promising!
Message: Posted by: Rabid (Nov 12, 2013 10:20AM)
Okay...I'm sold (Hope you're wrong Dorian...hahaha)

Those in the know, how much is it going to be?

Regards

Steph
Message: Posted by: Magic Piet (Nov 12, 2013 10:40AM)
Penguinmagic says $180
Message: Posted by: max88 (Nov 12, 2013 10:40AM)
[quote]
On 2013-11-12 11:20, Rabid wrote:
Okay...I'm sold (Hope you're wrong Dorian...hahaha)
Those in the know, how much is it going to be?

[/quote]
$180 . pre order start 11-13. hocus-pocus site ship worldwide free.

Seems VAPR put battery together with gimmic which is better than PS. just wondering if not use.remote control, how to trigger the smoke out when both hands is free.
Message: Posted by: KyleMarlett (Nov 12, 2013 10:49AM)
[quote]
On 2013-11-12 11:40, max88 wrote:
[quote]
On 2013-11-12 11:20, Rabid wrote:
Okay...I'm sold (Hope you're wrong Dorian...hahaha)
Those in the know, how much is it going to be?

[/quote]
$180 . pre order start 11-13. hocus-pocus site ship worldwide free.

Seems VAPR put battery together with gimmic which is better than PS. just wondering if not use.remote control, how to trigger the smoke out when both hands is free.

[/quote]



You can trigger the smoke from the remote controll or with the arm switch similar to other smoke devices. Also there is no batteries, everything is rechargeable via USB.

-Kyle
Message: Posted by: MR Effecto (Nov 12, 2013 10:54AM)
Love the demos. This looks great. I hope its a hit.
Message: Posted by: elimagic (Nov 12, 2013 10:55AM)
The remote looks of good quality, as does the casing. I think I will actually take the plunge on this one, looks good.
Message: Posted by: MR Effecto (Nov 12, 2013 10:56AM)
Its funny how the ps unit is now on sale. They kinda know if they don't sell them now when this comes out there's will sit on the shelf s
Message: Posted by: max88 (Nov 12, 2013 10:59AM)
So with one time full charge, how long VAPR can continuously work? I guess PS use a big battery seperstely for a reason. Does VAPR compromise the operation time to make it small?
Message: Posted by: S-Branham (Nov 12, 2013 11:05AM)
Penguin Magic has it on the Pre-order list.

arriving November 22nd.

http://www.penguinmagic.com/p/3797
Message: Posted by: PRINCE (Nov 12, 2013 12:49PM)
I know I'm probably the 1st to have doubts about this - sorry guys. Being a PS owner I can only compare and to me the remote is a positive and a negative. Im assuming you have to keep the remote pressed to control the amount produced - with PS its one press for about 4secs of smoke leaving your hands and arms free - will be a bit of a pain to have to keep the button pressed for the duration. But then again depends of what and how you decide to vanish the object I guess.
Hmmm I dunno, the more I think about it, the more versatile this actually could be...
Message: Posted by: KyleMarlett (Nov 12, 2013 12:59PM)
[quote]
On 2013-11-12 13:49, PRINCE wrote:
I know I'm probably the 1st to have doubts about this - sorry guys. Being a PS owner I can only compare and to me the remote is a positive and a negative. Im assuming you have to keep the remote pressed to control the amount produced - with PS its one press for about 4secs of smoke leaving your hands and arms free - will be a bit of a pain to have to keep the button pressed for the duration. But then again depends of what and how you decide to vanish the object I guess.
Hmmm I dunno, the more I think about it, the more versatile this actually could be...
[/quote]

Hey there

You can either press the remote quickly to get a 3 second burst or hold it down up to a minute for a continuous flow. Or you can use the arm trigger the same way and not use the remote at all!

-Kyle
Message: Posted by: PRINCE (Nov 12, 2013 01:03PM)
Hi Kyle, thanks very much for the clarification. Excellent that you can adapt the under arm option with the remote if you wish - perfect.
Message: Posted by: CRISTIANpestritu (Nov 12, 2013 01:46PM)
Looks good , but it's a bit pricy if you ask me.
Message: Posted by: Mark8infiniti (Nov 12, 2013 01:58PM)
COME ON VAPR - be a winner please - and take the market! Teach those awful pure smoke manufacturers and terrible customer service monkeys illuisoncraft a lesson!
Message: Posted by: doriancaudal (Nov 13, 2013 01:12PM)
Already out of stock here ? http://www.sansminds.com/index.php/reserve-your-vapr-unit-here.html
Message: Posted by: D0N DASHER (Nov 13, 2013 01:29PM)
Where there's smoke there's fire. And I smell major burn coming on.

If you wait for reviews you'll be too late, it will be out of stock. You have to buy it so you can see what it is!

It sounds like my dealer atttended the Nancy Pelosi school of marketing.

Sorry, I'm not buying into this plan no matter what you say Nancy boy.


ⱭD
Message: Posted by: J M Talbot (Nov 13, 2013 01:35PM)
I believe it is showing out of stock because it is not ready to ship yet.
Message: Posted by: Alex DLF (Nov 13, 2013 02:11PM)
And now, it's out !

I always want to thanks the producer by ordering via them but 59$ to ship to France ?!

Sorry guys, I put my order at Hocus Pocus, free shipping and their customer service is amazing :)

Will post an HONEST review here.
Message: Posted by: KyleMarlett (Nov 13, 2013 02:37PM)
Guys, I just got the latest trailer in from the Murphy's gang that should answer all of your questions.

Check it here: http://www.murphysmagic.com/vapr/

Pre orders should be happening now worldwide at your favorite dealers. If I can help answer any questions, feel free to post them.

-Kyle
Message: Posted by: Sean Fields (Nov 13, 2013 02:38PM)
From everything I have seen, this thing looks terrific. I've not handled on yet, so this isn't a review, but based on what has been shown so far, I am excited about this. As a pretty avid 'Vaper' (I like my e-cigarettes), there are a few things that Vapr looks like it can do that a more standard, low tech approach could not. An insanely long production time (most atomizers cut off after 5 seconds), small, easily mounted unit, and above all else, remote control.

I can't wait to get one in my hands; this looks promising.

Sf
Message: Posted by: Martino (Nov 13, 2013 02:57PM)
Isn't anybody else suspicious of the fact that they are offering replacement units "for a one off fee" right off the bat. It's as though they don't trust its reliability and expect it to break within a short period of time. That's got me very cautious about this!
Message: Posted by: Zombie Magic (Nov 13, 2013 03:02PM)
Penguin has it listed as pre-order now and that it arrives to them on Nov. 22nd. I always found they shipped items on the arrival date. That's my experience with them.

http://www.penguinmagic.com/p/3797

I was unsure about the other smoke products released ( which is why I never ordered them ). But I have a good feeling about Vapr. Just a gut feeling that this will be the one we've all waited for over the years.

Half the size of other smoke units.
Double the smoke output.
Remote operated up to 50ft.
Repeat over and over instantly.
Continuous smoke production up to a full minute.
Super Silent Operation.
No chest straps.
Message: Posted by: Alex DLF (Nov 13, 2013 05:26PM)
So if I understood well, every preorder with every dealer will have 30 cartridges bonus ?
Message: Posted by: KyleMarlett (Nov 13, 2013 06:13PM)
[quote]
On 2013-11-13 18:26, Alex DLF wrote:
So if I understood well, every preorder with every dealer will have 30 cartridges bonus ?
[/quote]

That's correct so a total of 40 cartridges!

-Kyle
Message: Posted by: max88 (Nov 13, 2013 06:55PM)
[quote]

You can trigger the smoke from the remote controll or with the arm switch similar to other smoke devices. Also there is no batteries, everything is rechargeable via USB.
-Kyle
[/quote]

Is the switch under arm can use remote controller or has to use other pumpÔľü Or bothÔľü
Message: Posted by: magicgettogether (Nov 13, 2013 07:00PM)
That's my count as well, 30 extra cartridges for free for a total of 40. Abbotts is also throwing in their "Eddie Joseph Download Collection" with all orders (over $100 value). Makes the waiting time for the prop go by a little faster when you get the downloads right away, at least that's the logic.

http://abbottmagic.com/VAPR-HOLIDAY-PACKAGE-VAPR.htm
Message: Posted by: KyleMarlett (Nov 13, 2013 07:14PM)
[quote]
On 2013-11-13 19:55, max88 wrote:
[quote]

You can trigger the smoke from the remote controll or with the arm switch similar to other smoke devices. Also there is no batteries, everything is rechargeable via USB.
-Kyle
[/quote]

Is the switch under arm can use remote controller or has to use other pumpÔľü Or bothÔľü
[/quote]


You can use the switch under arm by itself, or remote by itself, or both together

-Kyle
Message: Posted by: max88 (Nov 13, 2013 07:22PM)
[quote]
On 2013-11-13 20:14, KyleMarlett wrote:
[quote]
On 2013-11-13 19:55, max88 wrote:
[quote]
You can trigger the smoke from the remote controll or with the arm switch similar to other smoke devices. Also there is no batteries, everything is rechargeable via USB.
-Kyle
[/quote]
Is the switch under arm can use remote controller or has to use other pumpÔľü Or bothÔľü
[/quote]
You can use the switch under arm by itself, or remote by itself, or both together
-Kyle
[/quote]

Looks good. Last question after one full charge, how long it can continue workÔľü
Message: Posted by: KyleMarlett (Nov 13, 2013 08:29PM)
[quote]
On 2013-11-13 20:22, max88 wrote:
[quote]
On 2013-11-13 20:14, KyleMarlett wrote:
[quote]
On 2013-11-13 19:55, max88 wrote:
[quote]
You can trigger the smoke from the remote controll or with the arm switch similar to other smoke devices. Also there is no batteries, everything is rechargeable via USB.
-Kyle
[/quote]
Is the switch under arm can use remote controller or has to use other pumpÔľü Or bothÔľü
[/quote]
You can use the switch under arm by itself, or remote by itself, or both together
-Kyle
[/quote]

Looks good. Last question after one full charge, how long it can continue workÔľü
[/quote]



The pump will run almost a full 5-6mins before it needs another charge. So that's a average of 120 3 second pumps which is a lot if you think about it.

-Kyle
Message: Posted by: Stucky (Nov 13, 2013 09:55PM)
[quote]
no need to recharge it
[/quote]

This sounds like it's another manual pump system like SSS or the like then.
Message: Posted by: alextsui (Nov 13, 2013 11:03PM)
It's quite funny how this latest trailer refers to other body harnesses as "man-bras". :)
Message: Posted by: cricketer15 (Nov 14, 2013 12:00AM)
Look pretty sweet. good thing I didn't get pure smoke lol.
Message: Posted by: Eddie Garland (Nov 14, 2013 12:39AM)
I have a junk drawer devoted to various smoking devices...more tubes and velcro than anyone should own.
I have learned my lesson...
and yet...the remote trigger sells this one to me.
Darn!
Message: Posted by: Alex DLF (Nov 14, 2013 12:43AM)
5-6 minuts of working ? But you are activating it just a few seconds for each puff, without activating it, the battery will stay without discharging by itself ?
Message: Posted by: ArtIn (Nov 14, 2013 12:45AM)
Don't like the fact that you need to rechargethe unit via USB.
Batterie Packs are not bad at all - I see no advantage with USB.
If something breaks you need to replace the whole thing?!
Message: Posted by: JackMagic (Nov 14, 2013 03:40AM)
[quote]
On 2013-11-13 15:57, Martino wrote:
Isn't anybody else suspicious of the fact that they are offering replacement units "for a one off fee" right off the bat. It's as though they don't trust its reliability and expect it to break within a short period of time. That's got me very cautious about this!
[/quote]

Exactly and will is not known for best customer service in the world ,

also if you read the conditions :

*Must return Vaporizer and the main compact unit. The replacement will not be sent out until we have received all the listed items.
** Shipping is NOT included. The shipping will be collected from the buyer when the replacement set is ready for shipment.

Sending this Unit back could also be costly (especially if you do not live in USA !)
Message: Posted by: Zombie Magic (Nov 14, 2013 04:01AM)
It will either be the Holy Grail of smoke units we've been wanting for decades or it will suck. It ships on the 22nd, so we'll know the last week in November/first week of December what the verdict will be.

Fingers crossed that it will be the Grail!
Message: Posted by: Stucky (Nov 14, 2013 04:08AM)
[quote]
On 2013-11-14 01:45, ArtIn wrote:
Don't like the fact that you need to rechargethe unit via USB.
Batterie Packs are not bad at all - I see no advantage with USB.
[/quote]

To be fair almost all technology now is USB and interface with AC plugs. (Did you know your video game controllers are just proprietary USB?)
Message: Posted by: max88 (Nov 14, 2013 06:21AM)
[quote]
On 2013-11-14 01:45, ArtIn wrote:
Don't like the fact that you need to rechargethe unit via USB.
Batterie Packs are not bad at all - I see no advantage with USB.
If something breaks you need to replace the whole thing?!
[/quote]
The AD say the package will include 110V AC plug. So you do not need to use USB cable connect to compter to charge. It can connect to AC adpate and put in wall. But I guess if you are not in USA and not 110 V then need to use your mobile phone charge adapter
I want to know how much time it takes for a full charge.
Message: Posted by: JackMagic (Nov 14, 2013 06:33AM)
[quote]
On 2013-11-14 07:21, max88 wrote:
[quote]
On 2013-11-14 01:45, ArtIn wrote:
Don't like the fact that you need to rechargethe unit via USB.
Batterie Packs are not bad at all - I see no advantage with USB.
If something breaks you need to replace the whole thing?!
[/quote]
The AD say the package will include 110V AC plug. So you do not need to use USB cable connect to compter to charge. It can connect to AC adpate and put in wall. But I guess if you are not in USA and not 110 V then need to use your mobile phone charge adapter
I want to know how much time it takes for a full charge.
[/quote]

The UK is on 240V I hope the UK dealers are aware of this limitation

also as pointed out if it does not work

if you read the conditions :

*Must return Vaporizer and the main compact unit. The replacement will not be sent out until we have received all the listed items.
** Shipping is NOT included. The shipping will be collected from the buyer when the replacement set is ready for shipment.

Sending this Unit back could also be costly (especially if you do not live in USA !)
Message: Posted by: slyhand (Nov 14, 2013 06:37AM)
Assuming this unit works as it should, a disadvantage I can see would be size/length adjusabilty.
This is just one of the reasons I like MSv2.
Message: Posted by: Libertus (Nov 14, 2013 06:43AM)
On my buy list. Will see the reviews on the week of release and put in my order!

Looks great, and would be a great addition to my coin routine.
Message: Posted by: Stucky (Nov 14, 2013 08:55AM)
[quote]
On 2013-11-14 07:37, slyhand wrote:
Assuming this unit works as it should, a disadvantage I can see would be size/length adjusabilty.
This is just one of the reasons I like MSv2.
[/quote]

How is that a disadvantage?
Message: Posted by: Powermagic (Nov 14, 2013 09:32AM)
Was the question answered on how you can trigger this hands free? Is the option built into the main unit or does hte remote do all the work and if so how is it mounted.

I mean Gee, no secrets here. That video that is on YOUTUBE shows everything. No mystery for any kid to say " oh you have a smoke tube in your sleeve."
Honestly I do not know why the video showing the full gimmick is visible to just anyone.
As I a magicia, I loved the video not holding back but still hate to see MJM and others put up their ads on youtube with so much detail.
Takes some of the mystery out of it for the general public. You might as well not hide the device as it puts it as a SFX not magical.
Message: Posted by: murray (Nov 14, 2013 10:11AM)
[quote]
On 2013-11-05 06:23, gimmickless wrote:
This will be released soon, looks amazing
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=343rHlNGS3g
[/quote]

An obvious question: will this "smoke" trigger smoke detectors (if used, say, in a "parlor" type setting)?
Message: Posted by: johndevacmaker (Nov 14, 2013 10:16AM)
Anything that Will Tsai is involved in is questionable in my opinion
Message: Posted by: PRINCE (Nov 14, 2013 10:52AM)
One aspect I like about another similar product is that it has a trigger function - and once triggered it will produce about a 3/4 second continuous smoke. What this may be a negative on (and forgive me if this is not the workings) but say for strolling and you want your 2 hands shown at all times with complete freedom to your hands and arms, is that to produce say a 3/4 second blast of smoke you are going to have to continuously press the pump/remote for that amount of time, which could limit your movement, positioning etc. If for example using PS you only have to press it once for the activation, then you are free for movement etc whilst the smoke is being produced. Am I right in saying that or does vapr have a trigger function so once triggered it will produce continuous without having to keep either the pump or remote pressed?
Thanks
Message: Posted by: KyleMarlett (Nov 14, 2013 10:53AM)
[quote]
On 2013-11-14 11:11, murray wrote:
[quote]
On 2013-11-05 06:23, gimmickless wrote:
This will be released soon, looks amazing
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=343rHlNGS3g
[/quote]

An obvious question: will this "smoke" trigger smoke detectors (if used, say, in a "parlor" type setting)?
[/quote]


No, it's vaper not smoke. Same vaper from electronic cigarets.

-Kyle
Message: Posted by: KyleMarlett (Nov 14, 2013 11:00AM)
[quote]
On 2013-11-14 11:52, PRINCE wrote:
One aspect I like about another similar product is that it has a trigger function - and once triggered it will produce about a 3/4 second continuous smoke. What this may be a negative on (and forgive me if this is not the workings) but say for strolling and you want your 2 hands shown at all times with complete freedom to your hands and arms, is that to produce say a 3/4 second blast of smoke you are going to have to continuously press the pump/remote for that amount of time, which could limit your movement, positioning etc. If for example using PS you only have to press it once for the activation, then you are free for movement etc whilst the smoke is being produced. Am I right in saying that or does vapr have a trigger function so once triggered it will produce continuous without having to keep either the pump or remote pressed?
Thanks
[/quote]

Actually, no. Similar to other smoke devices all you have to do is hit the arm trigger or remote once and it will shoot a 3sec blast. Only if you would like more than a 3sec blast do you need to hold down the trigger,

-Kyle
Message: Posted by: PRINCE (Nov 14, 2013 11:12AM)
Thanks very much for the info - much appreciated. Now the important factor... stay with PS or move to Vapr??? Sorry Kyle, one more question how/where would you house the pump on your body (under your arm) if not using the chest strap?
Thanks
Message: Posted by: KyleMarlett (Nov 14, 2013 11:52AM)
[quote]
On 2013-11-14 12:12, PRINCE wrote:
Thanks very much for the info - much appreciated. Now the important factor... stay with PS or move to Vapr??? Sorry Kyle, one more question how/where would you house the pump on your body (under your arm) if not using the chest strap?
Thanks
[/quote]

Correct, the pump is under your arm. What's cool is that because you can adjust the length of the tube you could have the pump up higher near your armpit or lower on your forearm. It's up to you.

-Kyle
Message: Posted by: KyleMarlett (Nov 14, 2013 11:54AM)
[quote]
On 2013-11-14 07:33, JackMagic wrote:
[quote]
On 2013-11-14 07:21, max88 wrote:
[quote]
On 2013-11-14 01:45, ArtIn wrote:
Don't like the fact that you need to rechargethe unit via USB.
Batterie Packs are not bad at all - I see no advantage with USB.
If something breaks you need to replace the whole thing?!
[/quote]


The AD say the package will include 110V AC plug. So you do not need to use USB cable connect to compter to charge. It can connect to AC adpate and put in wall. But I guess if you are not in USA and not 110 V then need to use your mobile phone charge adapter
I want to know how much time it takes for a full charge.
[/quote]

The UK is on 240V I hope the UK dealers are aware of this limitation

also as pointed out if it does not work

if you read the conditions :

*Must return Vaporizer and the main compact unit. The replacement will not be sent out until we have received all the listed items.
** Shipping is NOT included. The shipping will be collected from the buyer when the replacement set is ready for shipment.

Sending this Unit back could also be costly (especially if you do not live in USA !)

[/quote]

As for the 240v concern, 2 things come to mind.

1. You could get a converter which are pretty common
2. If you don't have a converter you can us the USB plug and charge on your computer

-Kyle
Message: Posted by: PRINCE (Nov 14, 2013 11:56AM)
Thanks Kyle, but how would the pump be supported not to come out of position, without the use of the chest strap? Of like you said to have the pump on your forearm, how would this be housed?
Thanks
Message: Posted by: JackMagic (Nov 14, 2013 12:02PM)
I wonder if Kyle is on Will Payrol ?

considering it is not out for a few weeks has an lot to say about it !

I wonder if he will be as vocal when the alternative and some say much better version comes out
Message: Posted by: tomsk192 (Nov 14, 2013 12:04PM)
Re: UK charging.

Or use a iPod/iPhone charger? Perhaps the manufacturer, or one of the UK retailers could check that this will work with 240V.
Message: Posted by: tomsk192 (Nov 14, 2013 12:06PM)
I would be interested to know if one could get into the cartridges, in order to refill them. One assumes glycol is the ingredient, which is cheap as chips...
Message: Posted by: KyleMarlett (Nov 14, 2013 12:24PM)
[quote]
On 2013-11-14 12:56, PRINCE wrote:
Thanks Kyle, but how would the pump be supported not to come out of position, without the use of the chest strap? Of like you said to have the pump on your forearm, how would this be housed?
Thanks
[/quote]

Oh sorry about that, I misunderstood.

You receive to arm sleeves (like a sock) one goes a little higher to hold the trigger and the other goes down by the wrist to hold the atomizer.

-Kyle
Message: Posted by: KyleMarlett (Nov 14, 2013 12:28PM)
[quote]
On 2013-11-14 13:02, JackMagic wrote:
I wonder if Kyle is on Will Payrol ?

considering it is not out for a few weeks has an lot to say about it !

I wonder if he will be as vocal when the alternative and some say much better version comes out


[/quote]

Hey JackMagic

Haha, Im not Will. I'm much better looking than that guy!

I do work with Murphy's though who is the exclusive distributor for Vapr and I received a review copy of Vapr a little bit ago and haven't been able to put it down. Plus Murphy's wants to make sure that all questions get answered so that the public can make an informed buying decision.

-Kyle
Message: Posted by: magicmike30 (Nov 14, 2013 01:20PM)
I sent San's Mind an email when the vanishing pen came out about buying two and a new Purell gimmick. Never heard back? Also sent Will a pm on here and no response.

.So I'm hanging out with Darryl right now and we are looking at Vapr. Looks cool but again if I can't get a response being a customer regarding vanishing pen? What luck am I too have with Vapr.? We have smoke vs 2 and had some questions about adding Vapr to our act? Like the idea of the remote control. Again be nice to hear from someone.

Imagine cricket noises here......

Mike
Message: Posted by: Mark8infiniti (Nov 14, 2013 01:30PM)
Thankfully, we don't have to deal directly with the manufacturers... Buy from a solid magic shop and they should sort us out as they're the ones you are buying off. Good examples include Merchant of Magic and Saturn Magic - they've never let me down!
Message: Posted by: kenodad (Nov 14, 2013 02:11PM)
It appears that from SansMinds one gets a replacement option if it fails in the first year. Are dealers providing this? I do not see it in any add copy other than SansMinds'.
Message: Posted by: JackMagic (Nov 14, 2013 02:28PM)
[quote]
On 2013-11-14 13:06, tomsk192 wrote:
I would be interested to know if one could get into the cartridges, in order to refill them. One assumes glycol is the ingredient, which is cheap as chips...
[/quote]

Knowing the way Wil works the answer will be No

Maybe Kyle who is his spokesman might chip in and advise
What will be the cost of the replacement cartridges ?
Message: Posted by: Rabid (Nov 14, 2013 02:29PM)
You really have it in for this guy, don't you Jack?
Message: Posted by: KyleMarlett (Nov 14, 2013 02:36PM)
[quote]
On 2013-11-14 15:28, JackMagic wrote:
[quote]
On 2013-11-14 13:06, tomsk192 wrote:
I would be interested to know if one could get into the cartridges, in order to refill them. One assumes glycol is the ingredient, which is cheap as chips...
[/quote]

Knowing the way Wil works the answer will be No

Maybe Kyle who is his spokesman might chip in and advise
What will be the cost of the replacement cartridges ?




[/quote]

Replacements will be $19.95 for a 10 cartridge pack.

-Kyle
Message: Posted by: JackMagic (Nov 14, 2013 02:38PM)
Myself and several others have been caught out with his unethical way of trading , hopefully this will be a warning to anyone who is considering purchase , is to find out all the facts , no point in getting the basic product for $179 only to find out the cartridge replacement will be in very limited supply !

The question about if this product 110v if it will work on UK voltage of 220w has still not been answered

All I am saying

Get all the facts

Buyer beware , best to wait for proper reviews and not someone that is paid by Murphy's to hype up a product !
Message: Posted by: Alex DLF (Nov 14, 2013 02:46PM)
The problem of cartridges have been discussed before : put glycerine in it and you're done.

For your question about the adaptor, you can easily find a usb adaptator for less than 5/10$.. (If the one provided doesn't work)

If Vapr do what the hype told us it will do, then this is going to be the best smoke device on the market.

If not, SansMinds will lost a lot of credibility on the magic market because so much hype for something like PS won't be accepted by the community.

Again, if it breaks or do not work a week after having received it, I will return it without hesitation.
Message: Posted by: magicinsight (Nov 14, 2013 03:03PM)
[quote]
On 2013-11-14 15:11, kenodad wrote:
It appears that from SansMinds one gets a replacement option if it fails in the first year. Are dealers providing this? I do not see it in any add copy other than SansMinds'.
[/quote]

It is my understanding after speaking with the people at Penguin that Penguin will also provide a one year free replacment warranty. You can purchase a two year warraty from Sansmind for $29.00. I do nt know if Penguin or other dealers will provide the two year option.
Message: Posted by: Trent Reid (Nov 14, 2013 03:21PM)
World magic shop seems to have the full promo video and will explains what the device is without giving to much away.:)
Message: Posted by: Trent Reid (Nov 14, 2013 03:27PM)
By the way the promo video has some additional information that makes Vapr sound even more amazing planning on ditching my pure smoke for this.
Message: Posted by: Zombie Magic (Nov 14, 2013 03:30PM)
The extra video makes this looks so good

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RUGvAoUupCM#t=50

It's very small and NO chest straps!
Message: Posted by: paperinick (Nov 14, 2013 03:41PM)
Zombie, I am tempted by your idea of combining this with Inferno....
Message: Posted by: Zombie Magic (Nov 14, 2013 03:59PM)
[quote]
On 2013-11-14 16:41, paperinick wrote:
Zombie, I am tempted by your idea of combining this with Inferno....
[/quote]

papernick, I think it would be enhance Inferno because of the burnt card revelation. I also think it would go with Kieron Johnson's Re-Iceolation and to The Max ( both ice productions ).
Message: Posted by: Sean Fields (Nov 14, 2013 04:22PM)
I'm looking forward to getting my hands on this. I have an idea for a book test with this, where a page and word are noted, and after a moment of concentration, the book begins to smoke and smoulder... When the spectator opens the book, they find the page charred, with one word burnt into the page...

Food for thought guys. The remote control should allow for all kinds of new ideas not possible with other devices. Again, I don't have one yet, so I can say with certainty, but all looks incredibly promising.

Man, you'd think I worked for SansMinds with how excited I am about this...

Sf
Message: Posted by: Zombie Magic (Nov 14, 2013 04:36PM)
[quote]
On 2013-11-14 17:22, Sean Fields wrote:
I'm looking forward to getting my hands on this. I have an idea for a book test with this, where a page and word are noted, and after a moment of concentration, the book begins to smoke and smoulder... When the spectator opens the book, they find the page charred, with one word burnt into the page...

Food for thought guys. The remote control should allow for all kinds of new ideas not possible with other devices. Again, I don't have one yet, so I can say with certainty, but all looks incredibly promising.

Man, you'd think I worked for SansMinds with how excited I am about this...

Sf
[/quote]

I was thinking Vapr could be used with the Pegasus Page. The book starts to smoke and when they turn to the page they selected, it's torn away, with the edges burnt. The torn out page appears elsewhere with the edges charred.
Message: Posted by: PatrickGregoire (Nov 14, 2013 06:54PM)
You could probably tape down the remote in your shoe and use it as a toe switch. Awkward position when triggering smoke problem solved.
Message: Posted by: tomsk192 (Nov 14, 2013 07:29PM)
...walking normally problem created.
Message: Posted by: elimagic (Nov 14, 2013 07:56PM)
I don't know guys, it looks REALLY good. Seems lik all the problems of the other units have been specifically tackled with and fixed.
Message: Posted by: Sean Fields (Nov 14, 2013 08:20PM)
Hey Zombie,

Great minds think alike! I was planning on using the original Pegasus Page method, except rather than making it a transposition, using the concept, and the addition of the smoke, making it a transformation.

I have always been a fan of the Pegasus Page; I love the concept, and the effect. I just wanted to find a new, interesting way to apply the concept. The use of smoke to convey the illusion of burning is a good one.

Sf
Message: Posted by: johndevacmaker (Nov 15, 2013 12:32AM)
Hype hype and more hype
Wait for the real reviews when those taken in by Will Tsai and Murphy's mouth pieces
tell you if it is as good as the err what was it oh yeh HYPE !!!
Message: Posted by: magicinsight (Nov 15, 2013 08:07AM)
[quote]
On 2013-11-14 16:03, magicinsight wrote:
[quote]
On 2013-11-14 15:11, kenodad wrote:
It appears that from SansMinds one gets a replacement option if it fails in the first year. Are dealers providing this? I do not see it in any add copy other than SansMinds'.
[/quote]

It is my understanding after speaking with the people at Penguin that Penguin will also provide a one year free replacment warranty. You can purchase a two year warraty from Sansmind for $29.00. I do nt know if Penguin or other dealers will provide the two year option.
[/quote]

I have asked Acar in a PM to confirm that Penguin will in fact offer at least a one year warranty but he has not read my PM and therefore has not responded to it yet. I hope that ACar makes the warranty official and states it on the site before I consider to purchase it or not. If Hocus-Pocus offers the warranty I hope Paul states so in the ad copy on his site as well.
Message: Posted by: joseph (Nov 15, 2013 09:39AM)
Chop cup final load..a smoking Haunted Doll..
Then proceed with that effect. :) ...
Message: Posted by: doriancaudal (Nov 15, 2013 09:41AM)
[quote]
On 2013-11-15 09:07, magicinsight wrote:
If Hocus-Pocus offers the warranty I hope Paul states so in the ad copy on his site as well.
[/quote]

How do you know that Hocus Pocus offers the warranty ? I don't see it mentioned anywhere...
Message: Posted by: magicinsight (Nov 15, 2013 09:55AM)
[quote]
On 2013-11-15 10:41, doriancaudal wrote:
[quote]
On 2013-11-15 09:07, magicinsight wrote:
If Hocus-Pocus offers the warranty I hope Paul states so in the ad copy on his site as well.
[/quote]

How do you know that Hocus Pocus offers the warranty ? I don't see it mentioned anywhere...
[/quote]

I don't. That is why I said "If." I am still waiting for written confirmation from Acar that Penguin will offically offer the same warranty as sansmind is offering. I only received a tentative verbal assurances from Penguin's customer service dept. I hope Houcs POcus, Penguin, and all other dealers offer the same warranty options as Sansmind. I do not want to spend $180.00 and be stuck with a broken/defective unit within a year.
Message: Posted by: Paul Gross (Nov 15, 2013 10:46AM)
Hello,

I want to make this perfectly clear for anyone that places their order for Vapr with Hocus Pocus. We will honor the same one year warranty as offered by the mfg. We stand behind every product that we sell. I will adjust the ad copy on our website this morning to reflect this offer.Please do not hesitate to contact me if you have any further questions regarding this product.

Best regards
Paul Gross
Owner
Hocus Pocus
Message: Posted by: Alex DLF (Nov 15, 2013 10:58AM)
That's why Hocus Pocus is the BEST online magicshop ! Best customer service ever.
Message: Posted by: Acar (Nov 15, 2013 11:18AM)
Magicinsight: Sorry for not seeing your PM. Great question.

Penguin Magic customer service tends to replace any defective product we sell, at almost any time. VAPR is no exception, we'd gladly replace a defective unit.
Message: Posted by: SociallyAwkwardPenguin (Nov 15, 2013 11:31AM)
I've never been interested in this kind of product, but I am curious, doesn't everyone ask to look up your sleeve after you've squirted vapour out of your sleeve?
Message: Posted by: kenodad (Nov 15, 2013 12:19PM)
Socially Awkward: Presentation, context, illusion must be added to this device as with any magical effect, prop, or move. You might as well ask "doesn't everyone ask to see your other hand after you vanish a coin?" This tool could be fantastic in the right hands (or up the right sleeves :)). The problems with the other devices is consistency in function and awkwardness of use.
Message: Posted by: PatrickGregoire (Nov 15, 2013 12:50PM)
[quote]
On 2013-11-14 20:29, tomsk192 wrote:
...walking normally problem created.
[/quote]

It's just an idea... Besides, it's under your toes so it doesn't get in the way of walking and you could even just slip it in your sock bertically between your big toe and second toe and squeeze the trigger between your toes. I'm just speculating.
Message: Posted by: JackMagic (Nov 15, 2013 12:59PM)
I wonder what the UK dealers have to say ?

Been very quite from WMS , Alakazam , Merchant of Magic , Saturn

Personally I still think it's worth waiting to see what the alternative is like but if the UK dealers expect you to send it back to USA then you might as well order from Penguin
Message: Posted by: Harry the magic man (Nov 15, 2013 01:13PM)
If the remote control switch is slim enough, you could put it getween your big toe and the top of your shoe. But some shoes are not as long as others. If there was a way to activate the remote in your shoe right before walking up and switch it off when you walk away so you don't have a constant stream of smoke coming out of you whenever you walk.
Message: Posted by: elimagic (Nov 15, 2013 02:13PM)
I took the plunge everyone, I will write a review when I receive it.
Message: Posted by: Harry the magic man (Nov 15, 2013 03:54PM)
Thanks.
Message: Posted by: tomsk192 (Nov 15, 2013 06:38PM)
[quote]
On 2013-11-15 13:50, PatrickGregoire wrote:
[quote]
On 2013-11-14 20:29, tomsk192 wrote:
...walking normally problem created.
[/quote]

It's just an idea... Besides, it's under your toes so it doesn't get in the way of walking and you could even just slip it in your sock bertically between your big toe and second toe and squeeze the trigger between your toes. I'm just speculating.
[/quote]

Sure thing. I was speculating too. I'm sure it could be workable! Full marks for thinking along creative lines, mon ami.
Message: Posted by: tomsk192 (Nov 15, 2013 06:44PM)
[quote]
On 2013-11-15 13:19, kenodad wrote:
..."doesn't everyone ask to see your other hand after you vanish a coin?"...
[/quote]

Strangely enough, yes. That's the reason you reproduce it somewhere else, within a certain timeframe. If you do a complete vanish, using a holdout for instance, you take the heat of the naughty hand before revealing the vanish.

It's magic 1.01.

The point about the smoke is, it's obvious where it came from. If the intuitive explanation for an effect is the [i]actual[/i] explanation, then you are onto a loser. This is not to say that smoke effects, whether from a sleeve or elsewhere, are unworkable, but rather that you need to routine them to the Nth degree.
Message: Posted by: Xiqual (Nov 15, 2013 07:10PM)
Since Vapr has a remote control, it won't be up your sleeve.
James

[quote]
On 2013-11-15 19:44, tomsk192 wrote:
[quote]
On 2013-11-15 13:19, kenodad wrote:
..."doesn't everyone ask to see your other hand after you vanish a coin?"...
[/quote]

Strangely enough, yes. That's the reason you reproduce it somewhere else, within a certain timeframe. If you do a complete vanish, using a holdout for instance, you take the heat of the naughty hand before revealing the vanish.

It's magic 1.01.

The point about the smoke is, it's obvious where it came from. If the intuitive explanation for an effect is the [i]actual[/i] explanation, then you are onto a loser. This is not to say that smoke effects, whether from a sleeve or elsewhere, are unworkable, but rather that you need to routine them to the Nth degree.
[/quote]
Message: Posted by: tomsk192 (Nov 15, 2013 07:16PM)
Yes, James, unless you want smoke to appear at your fingertips, which is what many magicians seem to want to do. I'm not talking about the trigger, but about the feed.

This device seems like it would work for remote activation, which is different, and great in itself.

My point was regarding smoke between the hands. And I acknowledged that it is possible to do it, within a strong routine, with success. My view is, that the final revelation has to have some relevance to fire or smoke, for it to make sense. If you choose to change a penny into a half dollar, using smoke, then..... why? And isn't it just begging the question? The smoke will be far more memorable than the effect, and that is what people will reconstruct.

Best,

Tom
Message: Posted by: Zombie Magic (Nov 15, 2013 07:38PM)
[quote]
On 2013-11-15 20:16, tomsk192 wrote:

My point was regarding smoke between the hands. And I acknowledged that it is possible to do it, within a strong routine, with success. My view is, that the final revelation has to have some relevance to fire or smoke, for it to make sense. If you choose to change a penny into a half dollar, using smoke, then..... why? And isn't it just begging the question? The smoke will be far more memorable than the effect, and that is what people will reconstruct.


[/quote]

Well said!. Many of us have been mentioning effects like Kieron Johnson's Re-iceolation and To The Max ( both ice productions ), Joshua Jay'sInferno, etc. I think common sense about using smoke will enhance the magic.
Message: Posted by: tomsk192 (Nov 15, 2013 07:48PM)
Yes!

If one gives a, ahem, [i]proper[/i] read of Guy Hollingworth's book, there is a very good card trick which would work with this....
Message: Posted by: Xiqual (Nov 15, 2013 09:57PM)
Tom,
I agree completely. Another problem with the smoke from fingertips is overuse. You fire a little bit of smoke once and they will be amazed BUT they will be watching like hawks. Twice and you are busted. I also agree that the smoke might over shadow the effect, then you are sunk.
James


[quote]
On 2013-11-15 20:16, tomsk192 wrote:
Yes, James, unless you want smoke to appear at your fingertips, which is what many magicians seem to want to do. I'm not talking about the trigger, but about the feed.

This device seems like it would work for remote activation, which is different, and great in itself.

My point was regarding smoke between the hands. And I acknowledged that it is possible to do it, within a strong routine, with success. My view is, that the final revelation has to have some relevance to fire or smoke, for it to make sense. If you choose to change a penny into a half dollar, using smoke, then..... why? And isn't it just begging the question? The smoke will be far more memorable than the effect, and that is what people will reconstruct.

Best,

Tom
[/quote]
Message: Posted by: tomsk192 (Nov 15, 2013 10:03PM)
As usual, we agree. :)
Message: Posted by: kenodad (Nov 15, 2013 10:32PM)
[quote]
On 2013-11-15 19:44, tomsk192 wrote:
[quote]
On 2013-11-15 13:19, kenodad wrote:
..."doesn't everyone ask to see your other hand after you vanish a coin?"...
[/quote]

Strangely enough, yes. That's the reason you reproduce it somewhere else, within a certain timeframe. If you do a complete vanish, using a holdout for instance, you take the heat of the naughty hand before revealing the vanish.

It's magic 1.01.

The point about the smoke is, it's obvious where it came from. If the intuitive explanation for an effect is the [i]actual[/i] explanation, then you are onto a loser. This is not to say that smoke effects, whether from a sleeve or elsewhere, are unworkable, but rather that you need to routine them to the Nth degree.
[/quote]

Let's see...If David Copperfield flies around a stage, the intuitive explanation is that something is supporting him, which is likely the explanation, but it is nonetheless, magical, because of the framing, context, etc.. If the context is framed correctly, the smoke "comes from" the magician, or wand, or heat of the coin melting or whatever. Our storyline creates the reality. Yes, if you just put your hand up and smokes comes out, it is obvious where it came from, but if a magician squeezes a coin and it bends, why would it not be (magically) illogical for smoke to be produced? You are thinking like a magician. If a magician takes a coin and appears to vanish it, the intuitive explanation is he hid it somewhere, which is true. Making the "hiding" magical is dependent on the magician not the sleight or, in the case of Vapr, the device.

I still stand by my position that this could be a very magical event, if performed correctly (in the right context).

And I completely agree that it MUST used VERY sparingly, like invisible thread. One time, at the end of a set (for both smoke and invisible thread).
Message: Posted by: billappleton (Nov 16, 2013 12:50AM)
Holy crap 7 pages and still no review
Message: Posted by: cricketer15 (Nov 16, 2013 12:57AM)
[quote]
On 2013-11-16 01:50, billappleton wrote:
Holy crap 7 pages and still no review
[/quote]

It's not release yet to the public so I'm not suprise
Message: Posted by: PatrickGregoire (Nov 16, 2013 01:21AM)
Anyone who has used a smoke device to produce smoke from their hands will know that most of the time, people have no idea where the smoke came from and are surprised and amazed. Even using it in a very straightforward manner, as the main effect. I said most of the time because I'm sure some will be able to figure out where the smoke is coming from but from my personal experience, it's never happened yet. Magicians who know that the device is up the sleeve will think it's obvious that the smoke has to be coming from the sleeve, but laymen don't think twice about you having long sleeves because it's just clothes so they don't associate your long sleeves with the smoke. Also, the smoke seems to come directly from your palms, so there is a disconnect between your palms and the sleeve. Just use it, it works.
Message: Posted by: Xiqual (Nov 16, 2013 02:16AM)
Copperfield flying is a bad example. He first uses one ring to pass over him, then another ring diametrically opposed so it looks like a sphere, then he flies into a plexiglass box and shuts the top. Those all "prove" he has no wires attached to his body. His routine also has many emotional hooks that make people just say "Ahhhh !#*$ it, he's flying!"

I agree if you are a likable entertainer with an engaging personality, you can get away with it. People are a lot smarter [and much more polite] than magicians give them credit for. I wonder how many UK magicians use smoke devices? I know the pubs are like battlegrounds for our Brethren across the pond.
James

[quote]
On 2013-11-15 23:32, kenodad wrote:
[quote]
On 2013-11-15 19:44, tomsk192 wrote:
[quote]
On 2013-11-15 13:19, kenodad wrote:
..."doesn't everyone ask to see your other hand after you vanish a coin?"...
[/quote]

Strangely enough, yes. That's the reason you reproduce it somewhere else, within a certain timeframe. If you do a complete vanish, using a holdout for instance, you take the heat of the naughty hand before revealing the vanish.

It's magic 1.01.

The point about the smoke is, it's obvious where it came from. If the intuitive explanation for an effect is the [i]actual[/i] explanation, then you are onto a loser. This is not to say that smoke effects, whether from a sleeve or elsewhere, are unworkable, but rather that you need to routine them to the Nth degree.
[/quote]

Let's see...If David Copperfield flies around a stage, the intuitive explanation is that something is supporting him, which is likely the explanation, but it is nonetheless, magical, because of the framing, context, etc.. If the context is framed correctly, the smoke "comes from" the magician, or wand, or heat of the coin melting or whatever. Our storyline creates the reality. Yes, if you just put your hand up and smokes comes out, it is obvious where it came from, but if a magician squeezes a coin and it bends, why would it not be (magically) illogical for smoke to be produced? You are thinking like a magician. If a magician takes a coin and appears to vanish it, the intuitive explanation is he hid it somewhere, which is true. Making the "hiding" magical is dependent on the magician not the sleight or, in the case of Vapr, the device.

I still stand by my position that this could be a very magical event, if performed correctly (in the right context).

And I completely agree that it MUST used VERY sparingly, like invisible thread. One time, at the end of a set (for both smoke and invisible thread).
[/quote]
Message: Posted by: tomsk192 (Nov 16, 2013 05:14AM)
Yep! And you definitely nailed it James, in terms of using such an effect very sparingly. There's a lot to be said for setting these sorts of things up with a great deal of thought. Leaving aside the concept of flying, given that most of us are not world famous illusionists, with TV specials, but doing [i]close up magic[/i][!], the impact of doing a heavily gaffed card trick, eg Wild Card, is better if the audience has already seen something very strong with a regular deck.

In terms of a smoke effect, something like flash coins would possibly work? As an alternative to the final, flash, vanish, one could use smoke. It's just a thought.
Message: Posted by: max88 (Nov 16, 2013 05:35AM)
[quote]
On 2013-11-16 06:14, tomsk192 wrote:
Yep! And you definitely nailed it James, in terms of using such an effect very sparingly. There's a lot to be said for setting these sorts of things up with a great deal of thought. Leaving aside the concept of flying, given that most of us are not world famous illusionists, with TV specials, but doing [i]close up magic[/i][!], the impact of doing a heavily gaffed card trick, eg Wild Card, is better if the audience has already seen something very strong with a regular deck.

In terms of a smoke effect, something like flash coins would possibly work? As an alternative to the final, flash, vanish, one could use smoke. It's just a thought.
[/quote]

Deleted due to duplicate post
Message: Posted by: max88 (Nov 16, 2013 05:35AM)
[quote]
On 2013-11-16 06:14, tomsk192 wrote:
Yep! And you definitely nailed it James, in terms of using such an effect very sparingly. There's a lot to be said for setting these sorts of things up with a great deal of thought. Leaving aside the concept of flying, given that most of us are not world famous illusionists, with TV specials, but doing [i]close up magic[/i][!], the impact of doing a heavily gaffed card trick, eg Wild Card, is better if the audience has already seen something very strong with a regular deck.

In terms of a smoke effect, something like flash coins would possibly work? As an alternative to the final, flash, vanish, one could use smoke. It's just a thought.
[/quote]

Do not take smoke effect seriously, it is not miracle just a device for trick.

Pure Smoke Training DVD by Gregory Wilson has lots of easy to do tricks by using any smoke device and it is straight forward, if you have no idea how much effect can use smoke device you shall watch this DVD first. And if you never has used any smoke device but want to buy Vapr it is better to watch it and see is it your taste to use smoke for those amazing tricks.
Message: Posted by: GordonTheHypnotist (Nov 16, 2013 05:48AM)
To me devices like this just seem counter intuitive to the magic we are trying to create. I had a friend buy Pure Smoke and I asked if I could borrow it because like others I was curious to this new product. I decided I was not going to go crazy and use it all the time but I was going to use it as I produced an Ice Cube from my bare hands. I showed it to 3 different groups of people and they all said the exact same thing. "I don't know where that ice came from but where do you have the E- Cig hidden?" They could have searched my whole body and found nothing but it wouldn't have mattered. They thought they knew how it was done and they were convinced. The smoke became the thing everyone talked about and not really in a good way. I have come to this conclusion in my 25 plus years of magic, "less is more" and when faced with doing a new effect or illusion I always ask myself what would I do if I was really magical? The only thing I could come up with for any of these smoke devices is possibly using them as stand alone effects of producing smoke from my bare hands. Think about it if you could really do this, why would you do anything else?
Message: Posted by: max88 (Nov 16, 2013 06:00AM)
[quote]
On 2013-11-16 06:48, GordonTheHypnotist wrote:
To me devices like this just seem counter intuitive to the magic we are trying to create. I had a friend buy Pure Smoke and I asked if I could borrow it because like others I was curious to this new product. I decided I was not going to go crazy and use it all the time but I was going to use it as I produced an Ice Cube from my bare hands. I showed it to 3 different groups of people and they all said the exact same thing. "I don't know where that ice came from but where do you have the E- Cig hidden?" They could have searched my whole body and found nothing but it wouldn't have mattered. They thought they knew how it was done and they were convinced. The smoke became the thing everyone talked about and not really in a good way. I have come to this conclusion in my 25 plus years of magic, "less is more" and when faced with doing a new effect or illusion I always ask myself what would I do if I was really magical? The only thing I could come up with for any of these smoke devices is possibly using them as stand alone effects of producing smoke from my bare hands. Think about it if you could really do this, why would you do anything else?

[/quote]

Not sure how you perform the ice cube production.
But In the george willson pure smoke DVD there is one effect is to produce the ice cube. It is the best effect I think for whole DVD.
It make smoke has a reason to be there and reduce all possible doubt to less.
Message: Posted by: tomsk192 (Nov 16, 2013 06:37AM)
Max88, I think you are missing the point that most of us are making here. So, if you don't mind, I won't take your advice.
Message: Posted by: kenodad (Nov 16, 2013 08:27AM)
[quote]
On 2013-11-16 03:16, Xiqual wrote:
Copperfield flying is a bad example. He first uses one ring to pass over him, then another ring diametrically opposed so it looks like a sphere, then he flies into a plexiglass box and shuts the top. Those all "prove" he has no wires attached to his body. His routine also has many emotional hooks that make people just say "Ahhhh !#*$ it, he's flying!"

I agree if you are a likable entertainer with an engaging personality, you can get away with it. People are a lot smarter [and much more polite] than magicians give them credit for. I wonder how many UK magicians use smoke devices? I know the pubs are like battlegrounds for our Brethren across the pond.
James

[quote]
On 2013-11-15 23:32, kenodad wrote:
[quote]
On 2013-11-15 19:44, tomsk192 wrote:
[quote]
On 2013-11-15 13:19, kenodad wrote:
..."doesn't everyone ask to see your other hand after you vanish a coin?"...
[/quote]

Strangely enough, yes. That's the reason you reproduce it somewhere else, within a certain timeframe. If you do a complete vanish, using a holdout for instance, you take the heat of the naughty hand before revealing the vanish.

It's magic 1.01.

The point about the smoke is, it's obvious where it came from. If the intuitive explanation for an effect is the [i]actual[/i] explanation, then you are onto a loser. This is not to say that smoke effects, whether from a sleeve or elsewhere, are unworkable, but rather that you need to routine them to the Nth degree.
[/quote]

Let's see...If David Copperfield flies around a stage, the intuitive explanation is that something is supporting him, which is likely the explanation, but it is nonetheless, magical, because of the framing, context, etc.. If the context is framed correctly, the smoke "comes from" the magician, or wand, or heat of the coin melting or whatever. Our storyline creates the reality. Yes, if you just put your hand up and smokes comes out, it is obvious where it came from, but if a magician squeezes a coin and it bends, why would it not be (magically) illogical for smoke to be produced? You are thinking like a magician. If a magician takes a coin and appears to vanish it, the intuitive explanation is he hid it somewhere, which is true. Making the "hiding" magical is dependent on the magician not the sleight or, in the case of Vapr, the device.

I still stand by my position that this could be a very magical event, if performed correctly (in the right context).

And I completely agree that it MUST used VERY sparingly, like invisible thread. One time, at the end of a set (for both smoke and invisible thread).
[/quote]
[/quote]

Copperfield flying may not be a great example, but it illustrates how important framing and context is the success of an effect. You acknowledge that two internal events are happening to a spectator: How is he doing it? and Why is it important or entertaining? It is interesting to me that you (as a magician) clearly remember the "proofs" related to the how, yet do not describe the emotional hooks Copperfield uses (which engages laymen). Yet even laymen, later on as they consider it will conclude that he did it somehow other than really flying (ie,wires).

I think in the same way, a smoke producing gimmick, used appropriately (and I totally agree with James and Tomask that there must be an appropriate reason for smoke and it must be used incredibly sparingly) can be very powerful. As with flying, at the moment the smoke appears, there must be a reason and emotional hook or magically logical reason for it to happen.

I don't see this option with Vapr, but with PureSmoke, one could pin the device to the jacket. then, one could pull the sleeves up a bit, somewhat disproving something up the sleeve.

One psychological thought I had is that it might be effective to not acknowledge the effect as the performer. IE, you vanish a coin (or whatever), and you just move on without even saying something (ridiculous like "and smoke emanates as the coin vanishes"). I think it would be crazy for the spectator to wonder if they really saw what they just saw. So they say "whoa, did you see the smoke??", and the magician says "really, it did feel a bit hot", or "NO, I didn't, that is amazing!!"

I think we could generate 10 pages on sponge ball theory: "Sponge balls are stupid, because the spactators obviously know they squish down and you can hide them that way." or "Producing multiple sponge balls in a specators hand is stupid because you give away the secret that they can squish down small and that is how you hide them." Sponge ball effects demonstrate something similar to these smoke gimmicks: Something very simple can be very powerful; but the performer and the context will make or break its effectiveness.
Message: Posted by: Xiqual (Nov 16, 2013 07:45PM)
Absolutely agree, and well said kenodad. I think spongeballs [sponge anything really] are awesome. People love them.
BTW, I think all magic needs surprise and routining.

I will probably buy Vapr but hook it up behind my neck. Try for an awkward moment [well, I won't have to try hard really] then pull my collar and have smoke come out. The remote will allow me to activate the smoke, then pull my collar later.
James

[quote]
On 2013-11-16 09:27, kenodad wrote:
[quote]
On 2013-11-16 03:16, Xiqual wrote:
Copperfield flying is a bad example. He first uses one ring to pass over him, then another ring diametrically opposed so it looks like a sphere, then he flies into a plexiglass box and shuts the top. Those all "prove" he has no wires attached to his body. His routine also has many emotional hooks that make people just say "Ahhhh !#*$ it, he's flying!"

I agree if you are a likable entertainer with an engaging personality, you can get away with it. People are a lot smarter [and much more polite] than magicians give them credit for. I wonder how many UK magicians use smoke devices? I know the pubs are like battlegrounds for our Brethren across the pond.
James

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On 2013-11-15 23:32, kenodad wrote:
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On 2013-11-15 19:44, tomsk192 wrote:
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On 2013-11-15 13:19, kenodad wrote:
..."doesn't everyone ask to see your other hand after you vanish a coin?"...
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Strangely enough, yes. That's the reason you reproduce it somewhere else, within a certain timeframe. If you do a complete vanish, using a holdout for instance, you take the heat of the naughty hand before revealing the vanish.

It's magic 1.01.

The point about the smoke is, it's obvious where it came from. If the intuitive explanation for an effect is the [i]actual[/i] explanation, then you are onto a loser. This is not to say that smoke effects, whether from a sleeve or elsewhere, are unworkable, but rather that you need to routine them to the Nth degree.
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Let's see...If David Copperfield flies around a stage, the intuitive explanation is that something is supporting him, which is likely the explanation, but it is nonetheless, magical, because of the framing, context, etc.. If the context is framed correctly, the smoke "comes from" the magician, or wand, or heat of the coin melting or whatever. Our storyline creates the reality. Yes, if you just put your hand up and smokes comes out, it is obvious where it came from, but if a magician squeezes a coin and it bends, why would it not be (magically) illogical for smoke to be produced? You are thinking like a magician. If a magician takes a coin and appears to vanish it, the intuitive explanation is he hid it somewhere, which is true. Making the "hiding" magical is dependent on the magician not the sleight or, in the case of Vapr, the device.

I still stand by my position that this could be a very magical event, if performed correctly (in the right context).

And I completely agree that it MUST used VERY sparingly, like invisible thread. One time, at the end of a set (for both smoke and invisible thread).
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Copperfield flying may not be a great example, but it illustrates how important framing and context is the success of an effect. You acknowledge that two internal events are happening to a spectator: How is he doing it? and Why is it important or entertaining? It is interesting to me that you (as a magician) clearly remember the "proofs" related to the how, yet do not describe the emotional hooks Copperfield uses (which engages laymen). Yet even laymen, later on as they consider it will conclude that he did it somehow other than really flying (ie,wires).

I think in the same way, a smoke producing gimmick, used appropriately (and I totally agree with James and Tomask that there must be an appropriate reason for smoke and it must be used incredibly sparingly) can be very powerful. As with flying, at the moment the smoke appears, there must be a reason and emotional hook or magically logical reason for it to happen.

I don't see this option with Vapr, but with PureSmoke, one could pin the device to the jacket. then, one could pull the sleeves up a bit, somewhat disproving something up the sleeve.

One psychological thought I had is that it might be effective to not acknowledge the effect as the performer. IE, you vanish a coin (or whatever), and you just move on without even saying something (ridiculous like "and smoke emanates as the coin vanishes"). I think it would be crazy for the spectator to wonder if they really saw what they just saw. So they say "whoa, did you see the smoke??", and the magician says "really, it did feel a bit hot", or "NO, I didn't, that is amazing!!"

I think we could generate 10 pages on sponge ball theory: "Sponge balls are stupid, because the spactators obviously know they squish down and you can hide them that way." or "Producing multiple sponge balls in a specators hand is stupid because you give away the secret that they can squish down small and that is how you hide them." Sponge ball effects demonstrate something similar to these smoke gimmicks: Something very simple can be very powerful; but the performer and the context will make or break its effectiveness.
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Message: Posted by: kenodad (Nov 16, 2013 10:41PM)
"I will probably buy Vapr but hook it up behind my neck. Try for an awkward moment [well, I won't have to try hard really] then pull my collar and have smoke come out. The remote will allow me to activate the smoke, then pull my collar later.
James"


HaHa! That is funny! What a great idea.
Message: Posted by: Godzilla (Nov 16, 2013 10:54PM)
Guys,as mentioned above,many people will jump to thinking an ecig is being used!
I used a *harpie device some years back(smoke from mouth),and one of the first comments,are you using an ecig,from a woman that didn't even know for sure what an ecig was!
That was the first and last time,I used It!
And,now you see many folk,walking around with those larger vapor devices,hanging off there necks!
Just saying...
Message: Posted by: videoman (Nov 16, 2013 10:59PM)
I like the smoke from collar effect. It's funny and it allows for your spectators to see the smoke without you apparently being able to see it, which I think allows for some comedic possibilities. You could even do use it as a running gag where you keep looking around saying "is somebody smoking in here?".
But do you want to spend the dough it costs for a gag?
Message: Posted by: kenodad (Nov 16, 2013 11:06PM)
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On 2013-11-16 23:54, Godzilla wrote:
Guys,as mentioned above,many people will jump to thinking an ecig is being used!
I used a *harpie device some years back(smoke from mouth),and one of the first comments,are you using an ecig,from a woman that didn't even know for sure what an ecig was!
That was the first and last time,I used It!
And,now you see many folk,walking around with those larger vapor devices,hanging off there necks!
Just saying...
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I always think posts like this are amusing.

Exactly what is it that you are "just saying..."?

Just because laymen know of a device that produces smoke doesn't mean producing smoke can't be a magical moment. As mentioned previously, it may take more context, story, or psychological preparation than an inexperience magician is prepared for.
Message: Posted by: Godzilla (Nov 16, 2013 11:13PM)
What I am saying is don't BS yourself,thinking all laymen don't get things!
And,if someone makes a comment,be it wrong or right about an effect,the effect is ruined!
Like doing a card effect,a spec says I know how that was done,and they have no clue...effect still does not carry as well!

I'm glad you were AMUSED ! LOL
Message: Posted by: max88 (Nov 17, 2013 01:04AM)
Smoking device can be a way to enhance the effect to make it more visial. The visialiaztion sometimes keep people memorize the maigic moment for long long time. It is not about the secret how the smoke generate. It is the moment cause magic result to last long. Even some may know how you so it or may later try to figure it out. But that moment they see the effect which ending with somke will be one of good memory through the the life.

Imaging walk on street, use your TT to vanish one lighting cigerate, before you reveal the hand to show empty, make some smoke out , squeze the hand, pretend to be little pain on your face because it burn your hand. Then you show the hand and cigerate is gone. I believe by doing this it is far more powerful than just make thing disappear.
People see lots of magic effect, but in the end how much they will rememberÔľü If doing right with smoke device, it will creat a magic memory last long long time.
Message: Posted by: Fire Starter (Nov 17, 2013 06:27AM)
NEW SMOKE EFFECT OUT. The wife has just invented a cheap version,you need a tennis racket and an old rug,hang the rug on a washing line and beat it several times with the racket, the dust looks like a convincing smoke effect,lol,sorry I could not resist it as she has just done this.
Message: Posted by: Zombie Magic (Nov 17, 2013 11:25AM)
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On 2013-11-17 07:27, Fire Starter wrote:
NEW SMOKE EFFECT OUT. The wife has just invented a cheap version,you need a tennis racket and an old rug,hang the rug on a washing line and beat it several times with the racket, the dust looks like a convincing smoke effect,lol,sorry I could not resist it as she has just done this.
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:applause: :applause: :applause:

I know smoke that smoke effect!
Message: Posted by: kenodad (Nov 17, 2013 06:18PM)
[quote]
On 2013-11-17 00:13, Godzilla wrote:
What I am saying is don't BS yourself,thinking all laymen don't get things!
And,if someone makes a comment,be it wrong or right about an effect,the effect is ruined!
Like doing a card effect,a spec says I know how that was done,and they have no clue...effect still does not carry as well!

I'm glad you were AMUSED ! LOL
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That certainly sounds true, but how does it apply to this thread? Is this an effect that is too obvious? Or is it just like every other magic effect in that laymen, in fact, do sometimes "get things." Which is true with EVERYTHING in magic.
Message: Posted by: Godzilla (Nov 17, 2013 07:40PM)
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On 2013-11-17 19:18, kenodad wrote:
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I'm glad you were AMUSED ! LOL
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I always find people that like to quote everything,amusing! :)
Message: Posted by: Zombie Magic (Nov 18, 2013 12:41AM)
Using smoke will be like using IT. Spinning cards around your body and other antics lead people to look for "the string". Doesn't help that toy stores sell IT and spinning cards. Yet, using IT/IET can make miracles happen that leave them clueless and amazed.

Same can apply to using smoke. Use it judiciously, like IT, and it can be a powerful tool.
Message: Posted by: KyleMarlett (Nov 18, 2013 12:02PM)
Hey guys,

Bizzaro just sent a great, in depth, tear-down of Vapr if you wanted to see it a little closer from a more pronounced, erhem, skeptic.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yUBMos21pLE

-Kyle
Message: Posted by: Zombie Magic (Nov 18, 2013 12:41PM)
[quote]
On 2013-11-18 13:02, KyleMarlett wrote:
Hey guys,

Bizzaro just sent a great, in depth, tear-down of Vapr if you wanted to see it a little closer from a more pronounced, erhem, skeptic.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yUBMos21pLE

-Kyle


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BIG thanks to you, Bizzaro and Murphy's for that. It looks so cool!
Message: Posted by: bond19 (Nov 18, 2013 01:30PM)
I'll come back early Dec and see what this is really all about.
Message: Posted by: elimagic (Nov 18, 2013 01:38PM)
This look really good now. Seeing it reviewed like that made me feel a lot better about preordering. I am quite excited about this now.
Message: Posted by: Godzilla (Nov 18, 2013 01:47PM)
I do like the idea of smoke coming from an artifact/prop...and,not off person!
Message: Posted by: RNK (Nov 18, 2013 01:49PM)
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On 2013-11-18 14:30, bond19 wrote:
I'll come back early Dec and see what this is really all about.
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He doesn't call himself Bond because he is stupid! I will be hanging out with Bond waiting.....
Message: Posted by: Zombie Magic (Nov 18, 2013 02:05PM)
Bond19 is as smart as he his suave!
Message: Posted by: tomsk192 (Nov 18, 2013 02:18PM)
I know Bizzaro pointed out that the noisy bit goes under the arm, but.... was I alone in thinking it was, well, a bit noisy?
Message: Posted by: Zombie Magic (Nov 18, 2013 02:27PM)
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On 2013-11-18 15:18, tomsk192 wrote:
I know Bizzaro pointed out that the noisy bit goes under the arm, but.... Was I alone in thinking it was, well, a bit noisy?
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I actually smelled bacon cooking. But that was me, I was sweating. Threw me for a loop at first.

Of course he's mic'd up, so that would amplify things a touch. But I didn't hear anything.
Message: Posted by: tomsk192 (Nov 18, 2013 02:35PM)
Fair enough. He was demonstrating the underarm unit activation at the time. At any rate, the whole set up looks promising. I will selfishly wait for reviews. ;)
Message: Posted by: Jack Straw (Nov 18, 2013 02:48PM)
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On 2013-11-18 15:27, Zombie Magic wrote:

I actually smelled bacon cooking. But that was me, I was sweating.

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Ha, ha, ha!

I love eating at The Magic Cafť!
Message: Posted by: elimagic (Nov 18, 2013 02:54PM)
He was holding it directly in front of his lapel mic. This will be silent when in actual use I'm sure.
Message: Posted by: Alex DLF (Nov 18, 2013 02:57PM)
Yup, the unit was very close to the mic. But the smoke doesn't seem as.. cloudy as in the trailer..
Message: Posted by: tomsk192 (Nov 18, 2013 03:23PM)
Yeah, I wondered if that was the air-con?
Message: Posted by: Xiqual (Nov 18, 2013 05:03PM)
I hate preorders. I joined the Kickstarter for Lebanon Circle and it was an incredibly good deal. I think I will only support fundraising projects that have stretch goals from now on. Give me something extra for supporting you early or forget it.
James
Message: Posted by: johndevacmaker (Nov 18, 2013 05:43PM)
They always look cool how else are they going to get you to part with your cash
Wait for the reviews then make your decision
Message: Posted by: Stucky (Nov 18, 2013 05:58PM)
I am pretty sure the lighting in your environment will determine the smoke's visibility. (I would also wager you shouldn't do it under a ceiling fan)
Message: Posted by: MR Effecto (Nov 18, 2013 05:59PM)
Looks great. But I will also not pre order any more. They also always push the date back when it comes out. Anyways, this looks good. I only wonder if it will last a long time? Its more like a E cig so I am sure it will. I really see myself getting this when it comes out.
Message: Posted by: atouchofmagic1 (Nov 18, 2013 06:20PM)
Bizzaro talks Vapr!!! A lot of things covered here...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yUBMos21pLE&feature=youtube_gdata_player
Message: Posted by: Powermagic (Nov 18, 2013 06:29PM)
Smoke looks a little thin compared to the demo, yes?


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On 2013-11-18 13:41, Zombie Magic wrote:
[quote]
On 2013-11-18 13:02, KyleMarlett wrote:
Hey guys,

Bizzaro just sent a great, in depth, tear-down of Vapr if you wanted to see it a little closer from a more pronounced, erhem, skeptic.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yUBMos21pLE

-Kyle


[/quote]

BIG thanks to you, Bizzaro and Murphy's for that. It looks so cool!
[/quote]
Message: Posted by: MagicBrent (Nov 18, 2013 07:57PM)
Great job Bizarro! Does the tubing material, I think he said silicone...does that not rub hair uncomfortably?
Message: Posted by: KyleMarlett (Nov 18, 2013 09:03PM)
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On 2013-11-18 20:57, MagicBrent wrote:
Great job Bizarro! Does the tubing material, I think he said silicone...does that not rub hair uncomfortably?
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I haven't had that problem.

-Kyle
Message: Posted by: Zombie Magic (Nov 18, 2013 09:10PM)
Penguin has it as pre-order and that it arrives to them on Nov. 22nd ( and they ship on arrival dates , in my experience with them ).

http://www.penguinmagic.com/p/3797

Last week in November we should be seeing reviews. I HOPE and cross my fingers that people watch the ENTIRE DVD and follow the operating instructions to the letter. I'd like to avoid "This sucks, it's junk, doesn't work". And then find out they didn't have it charged. :rolleyes:
Message: Posted by: DTJK (Nov 18, 2013 10:52PM)
Sometimes I feel pre-orders are somewhat like Kickstarter projects.

But anyway, Sanminds have produced quality, ingenius products. And they're pretty transparent on their advertising as well.
Message: Posted by: Evoker (Nov 19, 2013 01:51AM)
[quote]
On 2013-11-12 11:59, max88 wrote:
So with one time full charge, how long VAPR can continuously workĀH I guess PS use a big battery seperstely for a reason. Does VAPR compromise the operation time to make it smallĀH
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Hi Everybody, this looks amazing but I can't see any comments about the battery life and operating time length.
Does anybody have a clue ?
Message: Posted by: max88 (Nov 19, 2013 09:44AM)
[quote]
On 2013-11-19 02:51, Evoker wrote:
[quote]
On 2013-11-12 11:59, max88 wrote:
So with one time full charge, how long VAPR can continuously workĀH I guess PS use a big battery seperstely for a reason. Does VAPR compromise the operation time to make it smallĀH
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Hi Everybody, this looks amazing but I can't see any comments about the battery life and operating time length.
Does anybody have a clue ?
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It was answered in previously:

"The pump will run almost a full 5-6 mins before it needs another charge. So that's a average of 120 3 second pumps which is a lot if you think about it.

Also "you can either press the remote quickly to get a 3 second burst or hold it down up to a minute for a continuous flow. Or you can use the arm trigger the same way and not use the remote at all!"
Message: Posted by: Alex DLF (Nov 19, 2013 10:02AM)
Nobody else find the smoke less cloudy than the one in the trailer ?
Message: Posted by: barts185 (Nov 19, 2013 10:07AM)
Issues / comments on the warranty. I posted this on their FB page as well in the VAPR post they made to see if they answer the questions.

http://www.sansminds.com/index.php/vapr-html-1/main-unit-vaporizer-warranty-2-year-plan.html



I saw earlier in this thread that the price was 29. Was that incorrect, or did they increase the price? I currently see the two year warranty listed at 34.95


The wording on the page describing the warranty could use a little improvement. There are discrepancies, typos, and ambiguities.

Some examples:

"If you want to enjoy our protection plan longer, simply extend the plan to 2 years!"
Am I extending it to 2 years, or getting an additional 2 years, meaning 3 years total?


"we will extend the warranty to up to 2 years"
up to 2 years? Who decides how far it gets extended?


"The extended warranty plan covers ANYTHING that goes with it, e.g. the unit has been flush down the toilet, a car runs over it, chewed by your dog, or kicked like a soccer ballÖ.ANYTHING."

then, further down

"The warranty will be no longer valid if" ...

so apparently ANYTHING doesn't really mean ANYTHING


"This plan is only eligible for VAPR which is directly puchased from SansMinds.com."

then, further down

"4. Our warranty only extends to products purchased from our website or authorized reseller."

So if I purchase this from an authorized reseller, can I purchase the warranty, or not?
Message: Posted by: barts185 (Nov 19, 2013 10:26AM)
[quote]
On 2013-11-18 18:03, Xiqual wrote:
I hate preorders. I joined the Kickstarter for Lebanon Circle and it was an incredibly good deal. I think I will only support fundraising projects that have stretch goals from now on. Give me something extra for supporting you early or forget it.
James
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I'm not a fan of pre-orders, but to be fair, they are offering you something extra - from the website:

BONUS: 3 refill packs (1 refill pack contains 10 cartridges) That's a $60 value!
I guess 60 sounds better than 59.85, the actual cost of 3 refill cartridges


► 1 Latte Deck (Brown Color)


► Main Unit/ Vaporizer Replacement Plan: First Year for Free.
I don't see this as a bonus unless they are saying that except for preorders they offer no warranty, which would drastically reduce sales.

► Extend your plan to two years for just $29.99
Instead of 34.95 - maybe this is what the 29 price was referring to in a previous post?
Message: Posted by: Tom Cutts (Nov 20, 2013 12:52AM)
Whoa! The wireless remote can trigger Vapr from 35 feet away AND through a closed door.
Message: Posted by: MarcLavelle (Nov 20, 2013 06:57AM)
Sorry for the delayed response, I don't get as much time as I used to to come on here...


Yes, World Magic Shop will be honouring the 1 year Warranty for technical issues (obviously not user errors!)

We only have a few left for Pre-Order though!

No matter which dealer you are THINKING of buying from, I would suggest grabbing one up asap, as they are in very high demand. If you miss one from the first batch, you MAY not be getting one until next year.


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On 2013-11-15 13:59, JackMagic wrote:
I wonder what the UK dealers have to say ?

Been very quite from WMS , Alakazam , Merchant of Magic , Saturn

Personally I still think it's worth waiting to see what the alternative is like but if the UK dealers expect you to send it back to USA then you might as well order from Penguin
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Message: Posted by: SociallyAwkwardPenguin (Nov 20, 2013 08:32AM)
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On 2013-11-15 13:19, kenodad wrote:
Socially Awkward: Presentation, context, illusion must be added to this device as with any magical effect, prop, or move. You might as well ask "doesn't everyone ask to see your other hand after you vanish a coin?" This tool could be fantastic in the right hands (or up the right sleeves :)). The problems with the other devices is consistency in function and awkwardness of use.
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I don't vanish a coin for exactly that reason. Obviously it's in your other hand. I can think of no context or presentation that would avoid a spec thinking that you have an ecig and a tube up your sleeve.
Message: Posted by: tomsk192 (Nov 20, 2013 08:38AM)
[quote]
On 2013-11-20 09:32, SociallyAwkwardPenguin wrote:
[quote]
On 2013-11-15 13:19, kenodad wrote:
Socially Awkward: Presentation, context, illusion must be added to this device as with any magical effect, prop, or move. You might as well ask "doesn't everyone ask to see your other hand after you vanish a coin?" This tool could be fantastic in the right hands (or up the right sleeves :)). The problems with the other devices is consistency in function and awkwardness of use.
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I don't vanish a coin for exactly that reason. Obviously it's in your other hand. I can think of no context or presentation that would avoid a spec thinking that you have an ecig and a tube up your sleeve.
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Do you also balk at a [i]complete[/i] coin vanish? I'm just curious. Not Vapr related, exactly, as you won't be able to have your sleeves examined...
Message: Posted by: kenodad (Nov 20, 2013 10:40AM)
[quote]
On 2013-11-20 09:32, SociallyAwkwardPenguin wrote:
[quote]
On 2013-11-15 13:19, kenodad wrote:
Socially Awkward: Presentation, context, illusion must be added to this device as with any magical effect, prop, or move. You might as well ask "doesn't everyone ask to see your other hand after you vanish a coin?" This tool could be fantastic in the right hands (or up the right sleeves :)). The problems with the other devices is consistency in function and awkwardness of use.
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I don't vanish a coin for exactly that reason. Obviously it's in your other hand. I can think of no context or presentation that would avoid a spec thinking that you have an ecig and a tube up your sleeve.
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Then don't buy it,
or take some creative thinking classes. :)

David Copperfield has thought of context and presentation (and "proofs") that seems to avoid a spec thinking that he has wires supporting him.

You don't vanish a coin?? Ever?? You are missing out on a lot of magic!
Message: Posted by: DougNicols (Nov 20, 2013 11:39AM)
How can someone COMPLETELY expose the gimmick, workings, etc in a review. And then someone else shows a half-second flash of another magic gimmick in their review, and gets butchered on here?

[quote]
On 2013-11-18 19:20, atouchofmagic1 wrote:
Bizzaro talks Vapr!!! A lot of things covered here...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yUBMos21pLE&feature=youtube_gdata_player
[/quote]
Message: Posted by: KyleMarlett (Nov 20, 2013 12:38PM)
[quote]
On 2013-11-20 12:39, DougNicols wrote:
How can someone COMPLETELY expose the gimmick, workings, etc in a review. And then someone else shows a half-second flash of another magic gimmick in their review, and gets butchered on here?

[quote]
On 2013-11-18 19:20, atouchofmagic1 wrote:
Bizzaro talks Vapr!!! A lot of things covered here...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yUBMos21pLE&feature=youtube_gdata_player
[/quote]
[/quote]


Great point Doug and we felt the same way (somewhat) when we saw the demo too. That said, we anticipated that NOT showing the gimmick would just raise more questions rather than answering them. Everyone's goal is to make sure you all have as much information as you need to make an informed buying decision. After speaking to many sources, and considering the multiple smoke products out there on the market, Will decided to make sure that everyone had a very clear picture of the gimmick, especially since the price point was over $100. The intent certainly isn't to expose to the public, but to inform the magic community so they woudn't feel like they had to take a 'chance' on hope. The goal was to give you more purchasing certainty than normal.

Hope this helps.

-Kyle
Message: Posted by: elimagic (Nov 20, 2013 01:36PM)
Also, this is not exposing the gimmick or workings of an effect, it is a tool, and this video is simply showing the components of the tool. Simply using this tool with no context and just making smoke "appear" is NOT a trick, thus, no secret has been exposed.





[quote]
On 2013-11-20 13:38, KyleMarlett wrote:
[quote]
On 2013-11-20 12:39, DougNicols wrote:
How can someone COMPLETELY expose the gimmick, workings, etc in a review. And then someone else shows a half-second flash of another magic gimmick in their review, and gets butchered on here?

[quote]
On 2013-11-18 19:20, atouchofmagic1 wrote:
Bizzaro talks Vapr!!! A lot of things covered here...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yUBMos21pLE&feature=youtube_gdata_player
[/quote]
[/quote]


Great point Doug and we felt the same way (somewhat) when we saw the demo too. That said, we anticipated that NOT showing the gimmick would just raise more questions rather than answering them. Everyone's goal is to make sure you all have as much information as you need to make an informed buying decision. After speaking to many sources, and considering the multiple smoke products out there on the market, Will decided to make sure that everyone had a very clear picture of the gimmick, especially since the price point was over $100. The intent certainly isn't to expose to the public, but to inform the magic community so they woudn't feel like they had to take a 'chance' on hope. The goal was to give you more purchasing certainty than normal.

Hope this helps.

-Kyle
[/quote]
Message: Posted by: Zombie Magic (Nov 20, 2013 02:28PM)
Kyle and Bizzaro did a fantastic job in showing what you get. No one wants to spend over $100 for a mystery package.

I'm really looking forward to reading the reviews.
Message: Posted by: PRINCE (Nov 20, 2013 02:41PM)
Why don't the youtube vids get set to unlisted rather than public??? That way the link can get posted on forums for magicians to see but the lay person cant easily come across it while browsing etc. I understand that in a way it is still open to public finding, but it certainly limits down the chances on anyone and everyone seeing it. You only have to be on youtube and see the section where you can see whos viewing vids and anyone could watch it I guess.
Message: Posted by: Bietfriek (Nov 20, 2013 03:51PM)
I'm curious about the possible noise and the durability of "the atomizer". In Shin Lim's SSS gave the advice for a certain component. I blew two of those components in less then 4 day's while NOT acting like a steamboat!
They were quite expensive but became extremely hot when used (i've found an cheap alternative). Looking af the props of VAPR I doubt that you are bound to their cartridges but I could be wrong.
First impressions are good and I think it's well thought out. Really like the size of the components!
Message: Posted by: mndude (Nov 20, 2013 04:00PM)
[quote]
On 2013-11-20 13:38, KyleMarlett wrote:
[quote]
On 2013-11-20 12:39, DougNicols wrote:
How can someone COMPLETELY expose the gimmick, workings, etc in a review. And then someone else shows a half-second flash of another magic gimmick in their review, and gets butchered on here?

[quote]
On 2013-11-18 19:20, atouchofmagic1 wrote:
Bizzaro talks Vapr!!! A lot of things covered here...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yUBMos21pLE&feature=youtube_gdata_player
[/quote]
[/quote]


Great point Doug and we felt the same way (somewhat) when we saw the demo too. That said, we anticipated that NOT showing the gimmick would just raise more questions rather than answering them. Everyone's goal is to make sure you all have as much information as you need to make an informed buying decision. After speaking to many sources, and considering the multiple smoke products out there on the market, Will decided to make sure that everyone had a very clear picture of the gimmick, especially since the price point was over $100. The intent certainly isn't to expose to the public, but to inform the magic community so they woudn't feel like they had to take a 'chance' on hope. The goal was to give you more purchasing certainty than normal.

Hope this helps.

-Kyle
[/quote]

should have been posted in a secret room or something!
Message: Posted by: SociallyAwkwardPenguin (Nov 20, 2013 04:50PM)
[quote]
On 2013-11-20 11:40, kenodad wrote:
Then don't buy it,
[/quote]

I won't, but thanks for your permission.
Message: Posted by: SociallyAwkwardPenguin (Nov 20, 2013 04:53PM)
[quote]
On 2013-11-20 16:51, Bietfriek wrote:
I'm curious about the possible noise and the durability of "the atomizer". In Shin Lim's SSS gave the advice for a certain component. I blew two of those components in less then 4 day's while NOT acting like a steamboat!
They were quite expensive but became extremely hot when used (i've found an cheap alternative). Looking af the props of VAPR I doubt that you are bound to their cartridges but I could be wrong.
First impressions are good and I think it's well thought out. Really like the size of the components!
[/quote]

Their carts are ridiculously overpriced compared to e-cig carts. 300% markup by my guesstimate.
Message: Posted by: VMagical (Nov 20, 2013 08:00PM)
Calen Morelli has some thoughts on Vapr! I'm still on the fence with this one but it does look cool.

[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=17wS8O9CNjI[/url]
Message: Posted by: cricketer15 (Nov 20, 2013 08:18PM)
[quote]
On 2013-11-20 21:00, VMagical wrote:
Calen Morelli has some thoughts on Vapr! I'm still on the fence with this one but it does look cool.

[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=17wS8O9CNjI[/url]
[/quote]

nice! he's one of my fav guys to watch perform.
Message: Posted by: cricketer15 (Nov 20, 2013 11:06PM)
Ah screw it, I'm going to preorder this today instead of waiting for reviews, looks pretty sweet in that video bizzaro and calen did.
Message: Posted by: Paul S Wingham (Nov 21, 2013 01:48AM)
[quote]
On 2013-11-21 00:06, cricketer15 wrote:
Ah screw it, I'm going to preorder this today instead of waiting for reviews, looks pretty sweet in that video bizzaro and calen did.
[/quote]

Definitely a sensible approach ;)

Plus if it does pack up, you can always send it back (at your own expense!)
Message: Posted by: ArtIn (Nov 21, 2013 01:55AM)
I agree why not changing the video from public to unlisted Kyle?
Because of money and reducing chances for selling it?
Message: Posted by: Mark8infiniti (Nov 21, 2013 05:34AM)
Just out of interest, what would you guys say / do if, you did a smoke effect (without flashing), but someone asked you to roll your sleeves up / show them your sleeve rolled up?
Message: Posted by: Mark8infiniti (Nov 21, 2013 05:35AM)
AND I AGREE - THERE HAS BEEN WAYYYYYYYYYYYYYY TOO MUCH PUBLIC EXPOSURE OF THIS DEVICE!!! IT'S EVERYWHERE!! All one has to do is type 'magic' into google and this is the FIRST THING I see!!!
Message: Posted by: max88 (Nov 21, 2013 05:41AM)
[quote]
On 2013-11-21 06:35, magicmarkworldwide2 wrote:
AND I AGREE - THERE HAS BEEN WAYYYYYYYYYYYYYY TOO MUCH PUBLIC EXPOSURE OF THIS DEVICE!!! IT'S EVERYWHERE!! All one has to do is type 'magic' into google and this is the FIRST THING I see!!!
[/quote]

Are you kidding? I even type magic smoke it do not show up.
Message: Posted by: Rabid (Nov 21, 2013 06:26AM)
[quote]
On 2013-11-21 06:35, magicmarkworldwide2 wrote:
AND I AGREE - THERE HAS BEEN WAYYYYYYYYYYYYYY TOO MUCH PUBLIC EXPOSURE OF THIS DEVICE!!! IT'S EVERYWHERE!! All one has to do is type 'magic' into google and this is the FIRST THING I see!!!
[/quote]

No it isn't:

https://www.google.com/search?q=magic&oq=magic&aqs=chrome..69i60j69i57j69i60l3j0.5275j0j8&sourceid=chrome&espv=210&es_sm=119&ie=UTF-8

And this is the first auto generated search result: http://magiccafe.com/

However, I will give you that the other auto generated ones are links to this forum.

S'why I've always maintained that magic forums should be private, period.

But no one ever listens to me. Just look at Chris Kavanagh.


Steph
Message: Posted by: tomsk192 (Nov 21, 2013 06:33AM)
[url=http://lmgtfy.com/?q=magic+(vapr+by+will+tsai)]Oh yes it is![/url]

(Sorry, Steph, but panto season is upon us...) ;)
Message: Posted by: Rabid (Nov 21, 2013 06:39AM)
I would like to point out - for clarity - that I am in no way sitting here dressed as a dame.

Lipstick...yes. Dame outfit...no.

Steph
Message: Posted by: tomsk192 (Nov 21, 2013 06:51AM)
:D
Message: Posted by: Stucky (Nov 21, 2013 07:34AM)
For those of you who don't know how google works nowadays, it logs everything you see and look at. You search results are skewed to you and what you look at. There are ways to get un-biased search results but it's not easy in some cases. Regardless, don't tell people the name of the device and I am pretty sure they won't find it. I think they might find PS before this one.
Message: Posted by: SociallyAwkwardPenguin (Nov 21, 2013 07:43AM)
[quote]
On 2013-11-21 06:35, magicmarkworldwide2 wrote:
AND I AGREE - THERE HAS BEEN WAYYYYYYYYYYYYYY TOO MUCH PUBLIC EXPOSURE OF THIS DEVICE!!! IT'S EVERYWHERE!! All one has to do is type 'magic' into google and this is the FIRST THING I see!!!
[/quote]

Google personalises your search results. Open an incognito / private browsing window then try.
Message: Posted by: Mark8infiniti (Nov 21, 2013 08:05AM)
Stucky and Penguin you are so right! I just tried on another device and everyone's is different! PHEW for that.
Message: Posted by: cricketer15 (Nov 21, 2013 08:16AM)
Vapr doesn't even have smoke as it's title.
If someone search up smoke device used for magic out of thin air they will most likely get pure smoke then magic smoke then smoke then probs vapr, but google explains everything if they want to search hard enough. Just don't make the smoke the only effect, incorporate ot into a routine.
Message: Posted by: Zombie Magic (Nov 21, 2013 02:28PM)
[quote]
On 2013-11-21 08:34, Stucky wrote:
For those of you who don't know how google works nowadays, it logs everything you see and look at. You search results are skewed to you and what you look at. There are ways to get un-biased search results but it's not easy in some cases. Regardless, don't tell people the name of the device and I am pretty sure they won't find it. I think they might find PS before this one.
[/quote]

That would explain why when I search for magic I keep getting Viagra ads.
Message: Posted by: tomsk192 (Nov 21, 2013 02:42PM)
:D
Message: Posted by: Fire Starter (Nov 21, 2013 03:02PM)
[quote]
On 2013-11-21 15:28, Zombie Magic wrote:
[quote]
On 2013-11-21 08:34, Stucky wrote:
For those of you who don't know how google works nowadays, it logs everything you see and look at. You search results are skewed to you and what you look at. There are ways to get un-biased search results but it's not easy in some cases. Regardless, don't tell people the name of the device and I am pretty sure they won't find it. I think they might find PS before this one.
[/quote]

That would explain why when I search for magic I keep getting Viagra ads.
[/quote]
PMSL,now that made me chuckle.
Message: Posted by: Alex DLF (Nov 21, 2013 04:59PM)
Pre order will be sent tomorrow ! Not so long to wait now :)
Message: Posted by: Paul Gross (Nov 21, 2013 09:32PM)
Hello,

All pre-orders placed with Hocus Pocus will ship tomorrow 11/22/13 as promised..Thanks to all for your support.

Best regards
Paul Gross
Owner
Hocus Pocus
Message: Posted by: ally_tac (Nov 22, 2013 06:00AM)
[quote]
On 2013-11-13 14:12, doriancaudal wrote:
Already out of stock here ? http://www.sansminds.com/index.php/reserve-your-vapr-unit-here.html
[/quote]
Tried to add it to the cart.
The postage freak me out,LOL.($39 to US address)
Message: Posted by: cricketer15 (Nov 22, 2013 07:02AM)
[quote]
On 2013-11-22 07:00, ally_tac wrote:
[quote]
On 2013-11-13 14:12, doriancaudal wrote:
Already out of stock here ? http://www.sansminds.com/index.php/reserve-your-vapr-unit-here.html
[/quote]
Tried to add it to the cart.
The postage freak me out,LOL.($39 to US address)
[/quote]

SansMind
Best Rate
Best Rate $59.00 to AU address. lol

fortunately my local magic store will be having a few in stock, I can also probs get it of penguin as they charge around 20 for shipping.
Message: Posted by: S-Branham (Nov 22, 2013 11:10AM)
Penguin Magic just received them and ready to ship!

http://www.penguinmagic.com/p/3797
Message: Posted by: WizTom (Nov 22, 2013 11:33AM)
[quote]
On 2013-11-18 19:20, atouchofmagic1 wrote:
Bizzaro talks Vapr!!! A lot of things covered here...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yUBMos21pLE&feature=youtube_gdata_player
[/quote]

But... It doesn't sound very silent to me. :-/ Waiting for first Reviews...
Message: Posted by: Mark8infiniti (Nov 23, 2013 08:51AM)
Those Sans Minds B*STARDS! THEY've only gone and done it! They've cracked it. Finally, a beautiful, working, delightful, almost flawless smoke machine that I will use!

Mine came this morning, and, I love it. Really. It really lives up to the hype and, in my opinion, makes all other smoke devices obsolete. This is everything Pure Smoke should have been - and now everything it is not. This is definitely, now, the best smoke machine on the market - it lives up to the videos greatly.

The instructions and DVD are severely lacking in content, especially for a first time smoker, but I don't care. If you're familiar with past devices, this will work for you out of the box - I can forgive any lack of detail on the workings because the product is so *** nice. Better than the other way around, for a change.

I'll be honest, the device is not silent, but I didn't expect it to be. It's about the same volume as Pure Smoke, but shouldn't be a problem in the working environment.

The thing I like most, is that, it really is comfortable to wear, not like Magic Smoke where you have a wopping big lemon under your sweaty armpit. The wireless tubing seems to give me a boner it's so nice, like silicone breast implants - and the fact it slots on is a treat.

BUT BEST OF ALL.... THE SMOKE ITSELF. The hype is right - the smoke this produces is different from the rest. It's whispier, whiter, sexier.... softer, seriously like clouds of magic, not 'smoke'. It's so cool.

So there's my review guys. This now makes my list of BEST RELEASES of the year, up there with Electric Touch and ReMaxed. I'm so glad someone has finally succeeded in creating a decent smoke device. This is, the one, we've, all, been waiting for.
Message: Posted by: cricketer15 (Nov 23, 2013 08:59AM)
Any other reviews?
Message: Posted by: Alex DLF (Nov 23, 2013 09:20AM)
If, as you are saying, the sound is the same than in PS, then there is a case of false advertising :

"Super Silent Operation.", it's false then if it makes some noise ?
Message: Posted by: max88 (Nov 23, 2013 09:31AM)
Any review about noise? From the latest video it do have noise but maybe it is close to micro. The noise from PS is in the front which is close to hand, this one is from device which is suppose to be far from hand. The reviewer need other help to see is it still loud? And is it easy to tirger the smoke without use remoter?
Message: Posted by: elimagic (Nov 23, 2013 10:57AM)
I think the point here is that there will be noise, but it comes from a different location. With ps, the noise came out of the tip of the atomizer which was near your hand making it very obvious and pronounced. However with vapr (going off the videos and what I've read since mine is in the mail still) It comes from the main unit which is further up the arm making it much less obvious and pronounced.
With electronics there will obviously always be noise, but to me vapr seems to fix this by moving the noise and putting it in a more concealed position.
Just my thoughts though.

_eli
Message: Posted by: WizTom (Nov 23, 2013 11:29AM)
We need a video in which someone wears "VAPR" at the body and is recorded in a quiet room. ;-)
Message: Posted by: Mark8infiniti (Nov 23, 2013 11:31AM)
As I've said, this device is lush. And, YES, it is very very easy to trigger the smoke. You get three seconds for one press which is more than enough, though you can hold down for longer. And, the remote is lovely...

But the device is not super silent, so don't expect it to be. Yes, it comes from further up your arm, and maybe it will be concealed a bit more, but in a silent environment you will hear it. With ambient sound you won't.

I'm intrigued to see other reviews too, I can't believe I am the ONLY ONE to have received it with next day delivery? God Bless Merchant of Magic!
Message: Posted by: Flyswatter (Nov 23, 2013 11:53AM)
I have purchased mine, after reading all these haters' comments. Free shipping from penguin, can't wait to get mine.
Message: Posted by: petehathway (Nov 23, 2013 11:54AM)
I received this in the post today. It's brilliant. I can't recommend it enough.

Quieter than PS, and much smaller and better build quality. Comfortable too, which is not something I would have ever said about PS. I've been wearing it all day around the house, simply because I forgot it was there.

As for sound, it's quiet but not silent. Definitely quiet enough for your average gig, so it's not an issue for me at all. It's modular and adaptable too so if you had to use it in a silent room (or on TV, say, where you might be wearing a mic) there's an option to put the unit in your back pocket and use a longer tube.

In short, while Pure Smoke got banished to the drawer after one uncomfortable outing, I will definitely be using this at every gig. I love it.
Message: Posted by: sgtgrey (Nov 23, 2013 12:20PM)
If this is exposing too much to ask, feel free to not answer this question: without a chest strap, how is the pump trigger kept in the proper position? Just curious...
Message: Posted by: KyleMarlett (Nov 23, 2013 12:38PM)
[quote]
On 2013-11-23 13:20, sgtgrey wrote:
If this is exposing too much to ask, feel free to not answer this question: without a chest strap, how is the pump trigger kept in the proper position? Just curious...
[/quote]

You get two arm bands. One goes higher up on your arm and holds the trigger and the other around your wrist which holds the device that shoots the smoke out of.

-Kyle
Message: Posted by: Mark8infiniti (Nov 23, 2013 12:41PM)
Sgtgrey : The trigger is connected to the atomiser where the smoke comes out via the tube, therefore, the trigger is kept at the top of your arm, or under your arm via a sock/band that wraps around your arm.
Message: Posted by: sgtgrey (Nov 23, 2013 01:29PM)
Ah! I get it now - thanks for the fast reply fellas! :)
Message: Posted by: Stucky (Nov 23, 2013 02:42PM)
[quote]
On 2013-11-23 12:29, WizTom wrote:
We need a video in which someone wears "VAPR" at the body and is recorded in a quiet room. ;-)
[/quote]

and it begins: "I plan to do gigs where I am in a sound proof booth in a church. People are going to hear this blah blah blah"
Message: Posted by: sgtgrey (Nov 23, 2013 02:54PM)
Well to be fair - it is good to know the limits of the device - just how much ambient noise will be needed to perform with it confidently. I was under the impression when I first ordered Pure Smoke that it was going to be relatively silent - just some outdoor ambient noise or a TV in the background would cover the noise, and that just wasn't the case, and that was disappointing! I don't care about a little noise - but I want to know this time what I'm getting into before I purchase it. I too wouldn't mind hearing/seeing it in action from someone who has actually purchased it before I take the plunge.
Message: Posted by: KyleMarlett (Nov 23, 2013 03:00PM)
Hey guys!

Murphy's is giving away a Vapr by Will Tsai!

I reviewed Vapr on the latest episode of Unwrapped

All you have to do is watch,subscribe, and comment on this weeks episode of Unwrapped

Here- http://www.themagiccafe.com/forums/viewtopic.php?topic=527339&forum=218&65&start=60#4

Good luck guys!

-Kyle
Message: Posted by: Alex DLF (Nov 24, 2013 05:30AM)
Any news for those who purchased on Hocus Pocus ? I didn't get any mail to say that mine was shipped, maybe it's because they had a lot of orders going through :)
Message: Posted by: cricketer15 (Nov 24, 2013 05:41AM)
So far I have been hearing good reviews all over, heard a bit of noise on kyle's reviews, but nothing to major. will definately be getting this, good thing I didn't buy pure smoke before. also Alex DLF what happened to that french device
Message: Posted by: Martin Adams (Nov 24, 2013 06:30AM)
Hi Guys,

Just wanted to let you know that Vapr comes with FREE Shipping if you at: http://mystiquefactory.com/collections/frontpage/products/vapr-by-will-tsai

Best,
Martin
Message: Posted by: Alex DLF (Nov 24, 2013 06:30AM)
The french device will be out at the beginning of 2014 :)
Message: Posted by: WizTom (Nov 24, 2013 07:01AM)
[quote]
On 2013-11-23 15:54, sgtgrey wrote:
Well to be fair - it is good to know the limits of the device - just how much ambient noise will be needed to perform with it confidently. I was under the impression when I first ordered Pure Smoke that it was going to be relatively silent - just some outdoor ambient noise or a TV in the background would cover the noise, and that just wasn't the case, and that was disappointing! I don't care about a little noise - but I want to know this time what I'm getting into before I purchase it. I too wouldn't mind hearing/seeing it in action from someone who has actually purchased it before I take the plunge.
[/quote]

Right! The smoke effect should be possible with Close-Up Tricks. Makes not much sense to present it on stage. I was very disappointed with "Pure Smoke". I used it with "Twilight Angels", but my 2 "Test-Persons" heard it over and over again. And I can't play loud music during a trick like "Twilight Angels". It would be dissapointing if you can hear too much. Otherwise it will destroy the whole Mystic.
Message: Posted by: WizTom (Nov 24, 2013 08:48AM)
I ordered it now. Hope to get it this week. Then I make a Video under "real silent" conditions. :) Hope it works well.
Message: Posted by: pegasus (Nov 24, 2013 12:28PM)
[quote]
On 2013-11-24 07:30, Alex DLF wrote:
The french device will be out at the beginning of 2014 :)
[/quote]

You've been beaten to the post I'm afraid. :-((
Message: Posted by: Zombie Magic (Nov 24, 2013 01:05PM)
Full, Cafť Member, reviews should be coming in next week!
Message: Posted by: Xcath1 (Nov 24, 2013 03:43PM)
Anyone have any experience with these devices in carry on airline luggage?
Message: Posted by: Zombie Magic (Nov 24, 2013 03:45PM)
[quote]
On 2013-11-24 16:43, Xcath1 wrote:
Anyone have any experience with these devices in carry on airline luggage?
[/quote]

It wouldn't matter if 30 answered they had no issues. If you took it and got flagged, you'd never be able to explain it and keep it.
Message: Posted by: Mark8infiniti (Nov 24, 2013 03:59PM)
Zombie is right in the sense I have made dozens of trips and have never had an issue - in fact it has NEVER shown up on the scanner as there is nothing to see - just a wire and small box - no different to hair straighteners or a travel iron.

I can't imagine there would be any issue though - just make sure there is no liquid, i.e. keep the cartridge in your liquids bag. There are no laws against carrying something like this - and surely common sense will tell the officers that this is a harmless prop - just make sure you've got other tricks. Airlines have NO RIGHT to confiscate belongings unless they can prove it to be harmful... so honestly, I say risk it.

In fact, my Industrial Revelation has caused more problems - the sheer BLOCK of metal looks like a gun on their scanner and I've ALWAYS had to get it out. Again though, when I explain, they always smile and let it pass.
Message: Posted by: oliversmith (Nov 24, 2013 04:22PM)
Just ordered from Hocus Pocus. Cant wait for it to arrive!
Message: Posted by: Hirwa (Nov 25, 2013 04:07AM)
Ordered mine too. Smoke effects enhance the magic! Very impatient to get it!
Message: Posted by: magicjluc (Nov 25, 2013 07:02AM)
If the noise is an issue, get Magic Smoke...
Message: Posted by: sgtgrey (Nov 25, 2013 07:33AM)
Sure, you could get Magic Smoke V2, or even modify S.S.S. to have silent operation if you want, but you tradeoff a different set of features and issues to handle. I still think there is a group of us that are interesting in the features of Vapr that would like to know the LIMITS of this device - just how silently does it operate? I don't care if it makes some noise - I just want to know when and where this noise could become a problem and whether or not I can make it work in the environments I perform. So far, Vapr sounds amazing - I'm just interested about sound limits and durability.

So, anyone got it yet who can give deeper thoughts about the sound limits (I'm assuming durability reviews can only come with further time...)
Message: Posted by: mikewarner (Nov 25, 2013 09:57AM)
Does anyone have a demo video we can see? The trailer looks too edited.
Message: Posted by: KyleMarlett (Nov 25, 2013 10:20AM)
[quote]
On 2013-11-25 10:57, mikewarner57 wrote:
Does anyone have a demo video we can see? The trailer looks too edited.
[/quote]

Hey man!

In the latest of Unwapped I do a full live performance using Vapr and a review of it. Also if you didn't see Bizzaro's review of Vapr yet,
he goes into a lot of detail about it
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yUBMos21pLE

-Kyle
Message: Posted by: mikewarner (Nov 25, 2013 10:34AM)
Thanks Kyle
Message: Posted by: mikewarner (Nov 25, 2013 10:44AM)
Thanks Kyle
Message: Posted by: PRINCE (Nov 25, 2013 11:34AM)
I cannot believe people are still on about the/a possible noise issue?!?! Ok sorry I completely take it back those performing in a library or other venues where you would be able to hear a pin drop. But sorry if I'm speaking out of line but from experience I can think of only one venue/event where this potentially could be an issue, and that is when I perform at a house party for about 10 people say and everyone is watching together (so there is hardly no ambient noise).

I have been using PS since it got released and the way people go on about it its as if its sooo loud that people will hear it no matter what event, venue etc. Every performce when I use this, I myself cannot even hear it (and I know what to listen out for) so there is no way anyone else will hear anything at all. Plus the fact that apparently Vapr is supposed to be even quieter!

I know we are all a bit paranoid and I must admit when I heard all these horror stories I was so put off from getting it because of this apparent noise issue. The point I am trying to make unless you constantly work at events, venues as I mentioned above then please don't worry about any noise issue - with any of the units especially vapr being apparently quieter still.
Message: Posted by: sgtgrey (Nov 25, 2013 12:13PM)
Just to come back and try to point this out - I am interested in LIMITS - as you mentioned, this may be a limit in some situations - it certainly was for Pure Smoke. I got along fine performing in certain venues, but others I couldn't use it. OF course, the biggest problem with PS for me was durability, but that's another story.

Those who don't understand the concern about noise are missing the whole point here - when I go to buy an amazing new color change, I want to know my angle restrictions. This isn't because I don't think the change is useless - I simply want to know when and where I'm going to be able to use it. Likewise with thre*d work - what lighting conditions can I work in, and in what conditions do I have to adapt to work in (e.g. sunlight and shadows). Same thing with Vapr/smoke devices - what are the limits I'm facing? As Prince mentions, Pure Smoke needs adaptation to work in library, school (closeup), or house party in certain cases - can Vapr be used here?

For me, the noise overall is not a major concern, but I like to know my limits. The real concern overall for me is durability, which can only come with time...
Message: Posted by: mikewarner (Nov 25, 2013 12:44PM)
Anymore demo vids?
Message: Posted by: johndamen (Nov 25, 2013 03:05PM)
The Bizarro review sold me...Im in. And Im also glad that, despite coming soooo close to buying PS so many times, I never took that plunge. This looks like exactly the kind of thing I can actually use. Im excited about this.
Message: Posted by: Mark8infiniti (Nov 25, 2013 03:12PM)
Doesn't bother me, but I totally understand it is an important point to some...If I had to give you guys as closer comparison to the noise of Vapr, I would compare the noise level to the following:

- a mobile phone vibrating against a soft surface / in pocket (not on a table etc)

You WILL hear it in a dead silent room, but not where there is ambient sound.

Hope that helps.
Message: Posted by: Joaquin (Nov 25, 2013 06:00PM)
So how would you use Vapr? As a single trick " producing smoke " or to enhance another effect ?
Message: Posted by: KyleMarlett (Nov 25, 2013 06:04PM)
Hey guys!

Will Tsai will be joining me tomorrow night for our Tuesday Night Hangout and I'm sure he will be able to answer any of your questions about Vapr plus more!

All the details are here
http://www.murphysmagic.com/hangout/

Hope to see you there!

-Kyle
Message: Posted by: tomsk192 (Nov 25, 2013 07:31PM)
Many must have received this by now. The lack of reviews is very interesting, especially in this place.

I noticed that WMS did an unboxing video, in which Dave Penn is clear that this device is not "super silent", as advertised.

I find the blithe comments regarding noise slightly patronising, and slightly lacking in imagination. For what will be, for most, an adjunctive effect, used to heighten a moment of tension, then noise will indeed be important, not just for hobbyists but also for workers.

Rest assured, I will test this thoroughly, in due course.

What I would say, is that much will depend on what you are wearing. Leather is a more effective sound barrier than linen.
Message: Posted by: magicjoe (Nov 25, 2013 07:44PM)
I would like a review about the cloud of smoke the you get. I have PS and don't use it that much becuase the smoke is not "great"some times very faint. Please review the smoke in a cocktail setting. Ie.. Dark
Thanks
Message: Posted by: Zombie Magic (Nov 25, 2013 07:54PM)
[quote]
On 2013-11-25 19:04, KyleMarlett wrote:
Hey guys!

Will Tsai will be joining me tomorrow night for our Tuesday Night Hangout and I'm sure he will be able to answer any of your questions about Vapr plus more!

All the details are here
http://www.murphysmagic.com/hangout/

Hope to see you there!

-Kyle
[/quote]

Klye, thanks for making this happen!

Reviews should start coming in this week as well!
Message: Posted by: tomsk192 (Nov 25, 2013 08:03PM)
Uh huh. But the real questions will be answered by testing, not by the guy who's flogging it, right?

And I'm very surprised by the lack of feedback thus far. Or, perhaps, surprised is not the right word. Buyer's remorse?

So many preordered, so few have reported back.
Message: Posted by: Stucky (Nov 25, 2013 08:25PM)
[quote]
On 2013-11-25 21:03, tomsk192 wrote:
Uh huh. But the real questions will be answered by testing, not by the guy who's flogging it, right?

And I'm very surprised by the lack of feedback thus far. Or, perhaps, surprised is not the right word. Buyer's remorse?

So many preordered, so few have reported back.
[/quote]

How dare you people not LIVE on the Cafť and report back to us IMMEDIATELY!
Message: Posted by: sgtgrey (Nov 25, 2013 08:25PM)
Well, in fairness, the release date was the 22nd, right? Many may not have yet received it. Still, agreed on looking forward to unbiased reviews and testing
Message: Posted by: tomsk192 (Nov 25, 2013 08:28PM)
Stucky- Heh! :)

Yeah, only thing is, when a big preorder pleases the punters, they can never wait to do a bit of gloating; our colleagues are always quick to brag. These are my observations, I think you'll find they are fairly accurate....

For a frame of reference, look at the knee-jerk reactions to Clarity Box or Extractor. Rave reviews, and very quick off the mark*.

(I will be fooling around with one in the near future. Nothing would please me more than for this to be a decent product!)

[i]*Mind you, if the list reads: Bromley, Nardi, Regal and Tsai, there may be an odd one out. Latte, anyone?[/i]
Message: Posted by: atouchofmagic1 (Nov 26, 2013 08:20AM)
[quote]
On 2013-11-23 16:00, KyleMarlett wrote:
Hey guys!

Murphy's is giving away a Vapr by Will Tsai!

I reviewed Vapr on the latest episode of Unwrapped

All you have to do is watch,subscribe, and comment on this weeks episode of Unwrapped

Here- http://www.themagiccafe.com/forums/viewtopic.php?topic=527339&forum=218&65&start=60#4

Good luck guys!

-Kyle


[/quote]

Kyle was a winner ever announced?

-Bobby
Message: Posted by: PRINCE (Nov 26, 2013 10:18AM)
??? For the people still going on about the apparent noise issue again, I will once again say without sounding patronizing - geez. For those who work in the real work the noise is not an issue unless poss entertaining in my comment above. I can speak like this as it is from experience - in the real world.
Message: Posted by: KyleMarlett (Nov 26, 2013 12:52PM)
[quote]
On 2013-11-26 09:20, atouchofmagic1 wrote:
[quote]
On 2013-11-23 16:00, KyleMarlett wrote:
Hey guys!

Murphy's is giving away a Vapr by Will Tsai!

I reviewed Vapr on the latest episode of Unwrapped

All you have to do is watch,subscribe, and comment on this weeks episode of Unwrapped

Here- http://www.themagiccafe.com/forums/viewtopic.php?topic=527339&forum=218&65&start=60#4

Good luck guys!

-Kyle


[/quote]

Kyle was a winner ever announced?

-Bobby
[/quote]

Hey Bobby!

We announce the winner of each weeks contest on the following weeks episode, so this coming Saturday!

-Kyle
Message: Posted by: Evilstalkerhorne (Nov 26, 2013 02:00PM)
OK at first I watched the video and said "Hummm where have I seen this before...." A day or two later I remembered! Yep I know how to do this with spending LOTS LESS THAN $200 WOW that is a lot of money for such a simple thing! I am not going to give away how but I will say this... the Pxmp with the remote is the only tricky thing I have yet to find where he got it. The rest is very, very ordinary and simple. That is not to say it is a poor illusion, on the contrary it is pretty great! I wish I would have developed it first instead of making my own which I undoubtedly will now do. Then I could have marketed it for about the same price LOL! I bet most of you already have (or know someone who has) one of the main parts of this device already and I will also say there are other ways than the Pxmp to get the smoke to work. I was just amazed that when I tried it mine worked as I usually have seen the other end getting sucked (that is your last hint) There you all go no spoilers and again I wish I would have thought of this 1st hahahha
Message: Posted by: SociallyAwkwardPenguin (Nov 26, 2013 02:21PM)
[quote]
On 2013-11-26 15:00, Evilstalkerhorne wrote:
OK at first I watched the video and said "Hummm where have I seen this before...." A day or two later I remembered! Yep I know how to do this with spending LOTS LESS THAN $200 WOW that is a lot of money for such a simple thing! I am not going to give away how but I will say this... the Pxmp with the remote is the only tricky thing I have yet to find where he got it. The rest is very, very ordinary and simple. That is not to say it is a poor illusion, on the contrary it is pretty great! I wish I would have developed it first instead of making my own which I undoubtedly will now do. Then I could have marketed it for about the same price LOL! I bet most of you already have (or know someone who has) one of the main parts of this device already and I will also say there are other ways than the Pxmp to get the smoke to work. I was just amazed that when I tried it mine worked as I usually have seen the other end getting sucked (that is your last hint) There you all go no spoilers and again I wish I would have thought of this 1st hahahha
[/quote]

Everyone knows it's the guts of an electronic cigarette. You've not stumbled across some amazing secret. Even the carts are the same, apart from being marked up 300%.
Message: Posted by: Alex DLF (Nov 26, 2013 02:48PM)
If you manage to make a wireless controller in your homemade version, "chapeau" :)
Message: Posted by: TheAmazingSteveo (Nov 26, 2013 04:29PM)
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Message: Posted by: Godzilla (Nov 26, 2013 05:19PM)
^^^^^^^^ What,he said ! ^^^^^^^^
Message: Posted by: magicjoe (Nov 26, 2013 05:33PM)
[quote]
On 2013-11-25 20:44, magicjoe wrote:
I would like a review about the cloud of smoke the you get. I have PS and don't use it that much becuase the smoke is not "great"some times very faint. Please review the smoke in a cocktail setting. Ie.. Dark
Thanks
[/quote]

Anyone answer this?
Message: Posted by: KyleMarlett (Nov 26, 2013 06:45PM)
Hey guys!

Going live with Will Tsai in 15mins! Come hangout with us and ask your questions!

http://www.murphysmagic.com/hangout/

-Kyle
Message: Posted by: DTJK (Nov 27, 2013 01:12PM)
Can you attach the end to your sleeve instead of the arm band for your wrist? Sleeves can be pulled up after the smoke is produced, or for other effects that require rolled up sleeves.
Message: Posted by: Philippe (Nov 27, 2013 03:37PM)
It must be me but although pump motor runs, I am not getting any smoke, any
Suggestions please?
Message: Posted by: KyleMarlett (Nov 27, 2013 04:04PM)
[quote]
On 2013-11-27 16:37, Philippe wrote:
It must be me but although pump motor runs, I am not getting any smoke, any
Suggestions please?
[/quote]

Hey man!

Make sure that the aluminum cover on the cartridge is punctured.

-Kyle
Message: Posted by: insight (Nov 27, 2013 04:10PM)
To Kyle's point, no smoke will come out unless the cartridge is punctured.

Regards,
Mike
Message: Posted by: Mark8infiniti (Nov 27, 2013 04:48PM)
Philippe, did you sort this? As I had the same problem..... pump works, but no vaporizing.
Message: Posted by: tenjin (Nov 27, 2013 05:41PM)
[quote]
On 2013-11-27 14:12, DTJK wrote:
Can you attach the end to your sleeve instead of the arm band for your wrist? Sleeves can be pulled up after the smoke is produced, or for other effects that require rolled up sleeves.
[/quote]

I still didn't receive my Vapr but this is exactly what I planed to do. So if some people ask at some point if I have something in my sleeves, I can just pull them up along with the device.
I thought of sewing a small "ports" on the inside of my shirt (like pens on agendas) so it can be attached quite firmly there. Anyone tried that?
Message: Posted by: PatrickGregoire (Nov 27, 2013 08:07PM)
Just sew a fabric tube to fit snugly around the end of the device and attach some safety pins to it... Just like Pure Smoke... It's not like Pure Smoke was specially made with the feature of being attached to your sleeve lol. In fact, if you have Pure Smoke, just use the tube that came with it!
Message: Posted by: max88 (Nov 27, 2013 10:40PM)
[quote]
On 2013-11-27 17:48, magicmarkworldwide2 wrote:
Philippe, did you sort this? As I had the same problem..... pump works, but no vaporizing.
[/quote]

Seems it work for you before. Maybe the unit heat compenent.broke after you play heavily?
Message: Posted by: Stucky (Nov 27, 2013 11:09PM)
From the videos I have seen couldn't you push up your sleeves with the wrist band and it will go for a ride?
Message: Posted by: Shanlip (Nov 28, 2013 01:18AM)
Got mine today and first impression is WOW! Money well spent. This is well put together very compact and the remote feature is awesome.

However, I would not call it silent by any means. It does make a sound from the business end.

I have Pure Smoke put away somewhere I must get it out and compare noise levels. But setup for this wins hands down.

All in all the smoke, sorry Vapr it delivers is fantastic, I am very happy with my purchase so far.
Message: Posted by: Zombie Magic (Nov 28, 2013 01:37AM)
These early impressions coming in are very strong.

The ad says "DVD with 3 original magic tricks created only for Vapr":

http://www.penguinmagic.com/p/3797

Has anyone with Vapr had time to watch the 3 trick and be able to offer their impressions?

[img]http://images.penguinmagic.com/images/products/medium/6987a-527d1c294c4fa.jpg[/img]
Message: Posted by: Shanlip (Nov 28, 2013 01:54AM)
Sent you a PM Zombie.
Message: Posted by: PRINCE (Nov 28, 2013 02:00AM)
Oh no, first couple of reviews and units not working as expected... Hopefully its just user error and nothing wrong with the units. An honest review between ps and vapr would be good from real owners - not a dealer or supplier.
Message: Posted by: doriancaudal (Nov 28, 2013 02:06AM)
[quote]
On 2013-11-28 02:54, Shanlip wrote:
Sent you a PM Zombie.
[/quote]

We would all be interested to know the answer ;)
Message: Posted by: Shanlip (Nov 28, 2013 02:10AM)
Mine works fine, had to watch the DVD first and find out how long to charge it for, but once it was charged it was working like a dream.
I have Pure Smoke and it got played with for a little bit but the setup was too cumbersome so it went straight to the draw, this is
however so small and easy to wear my first impressions are my money is well spent.......phew.

I only received it today and haven't had long to play.

But note it does make noise so in a quiet room you will hear it.
Message: Posted by: Philippe (Nov 28, 2013 02:11AM)
Whato magic mark
No not sorted, sans magic want me to video setup. Have you contacted them Mark?
Message: Posted by: Shanlip (Nov 28, 2013 02:14AM)
It doesn't have tricks as such, they call them applications.

As to them being original well I would say 1 defiantly is not but you could say the other 2 are.
Message: Posted by: PRINCE (Nov 28, 2013 04:11AM)
Although a little uncomfortable which is not really an issue, the chest strap on ps works a dream - always keeping in position the trigger. I wonder how effective the arm band will be housing the trigger if you want to use it for the under arm action. Im curious when performing for a couple of hours it will always remain in position activating it as easy as with the chest band.
Message: Posted by: Montana76 (Nov 28, 2013 05:10AM)
[quote]
On 2013-11-26 15:00, Evilstalkerhorne wrote:
OK at first I watched the video and said "Hummm where have I seen this before...." A day or two later I remembered! Yep I know how to do this with spending LOTS LESS THAN $200 WOW that is a lot of money for such a simple thing! I am not going to give away how but I will say this... the Pxmp with the remote is the only tricky thing I have yet to find where he got it. The rest is very, very ordinary and simple. That is not to say it is a poor illusion, on the contrary it is pretty great! I wish I would have developed it first instead of making my own which I undoubtedly will now do. Then I could have marketed it for about the same price LOL! I bet most of you already have (or know someone who has) one of the main parts of this device already and I will also say there are other ways than the Pxmp to get the smoke to work. I was just amazed that when I tried it mine worked as I usually have seen the other end getting sucked (that is your last hint) There you all go no spoilers and again I wish I would have thought of this 1st hahahha
[/quote]

Your new nickname is Captain Obvious. I doubt ANYONE with a slight interest in this product did not know the origins of the technology...
Message: Posted by: cricketer15 (Nov 28, 2013 06:37AM)
Anyone else got reviews?
Message: Posted by: mndude (Nov 28, 2013 06:46AM)
[quote]
On 2013-11-24 16:59, magicmarkworldwide2 wrote:

Zombie is right in the sense I have made dozens of trips and have never had an issue - in fact it has NEVER shown up on the scanner as there is nothing to see - just a wire and small box - no different to hair straighteners or a travel iron.

I can't imagine there would be any issue though - just make sure there is no liquid, i.e. keep the cartridge in your liquids bag. There are no laws against carrying something like this - and surely common sense will tell the officers that this is a harmless prop - just make sure you've got other tricks. Airlines have NO RIGHT to confiscate belongings unless they can prove it to be harmful... so honestly, I say risk it.

In fact, my Industrial Revelation has caused more problems - the sheer BLOCK of metal looks like a gun on their scanner and I've ALWAYS had to get it out. Again though, when I explain, they always smile and let it pass.


[/quote]

Yup, I've been stopped several times for IR before also.
Message: Posted by: PatrickGregoire (Nov 28, 2013 06:53AM)
On a side note, some of the new products coming out by Sans Minds look amazing. They are shown at the end of the Vapr dvd.
Message: Posted by: Montana76 (Nov 28, 2013 07:49AM)
[quote]
On 2013-11-28 07:46, mndude wrote:
[quote]
On 2013-11-24 16:59, magicmarkworldwide2 wrote:

(snip..)
In fact, my Industrial Revelation has caused more problems - the sheer BLOCK of metal looks like a gun on their scanner and I've ALWAYS had to get it out. Again though, when I explain, they always smile and let it pass.


[/quote]

Yup, I've been stopped several times for IR before also.
[/quote]

Do you then expose the secret or how do you "explain" it?
Message: Posted by: VMagical (Nov 28, 2013 11:04AM)
I saw this video of Vapr being demonstrated!

[url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y2VUV7zxE5k]Vapr[/url]
Message: Posted by: guinelli (Nov 28, 2013 03:18PM)
Hey guys

I have always been a satisfied user of Magic Smoke 2, but I expected a lot from this new device...as most of us I think. When I got my VAPR two days ago, I was impressed with the looks and the details: specially made and kind of an "Apple" look. You could call it 'iSmoke' :)

The DVD plays like a blockbuster movie, but misses some details. Like how to insert the cartridges, how long to charge the vaporizer, etc... OK, that all seems logical and easy - also to me- up until the moment that everything has been charged for about a day, you try the device and not a single puff of smoke is produced. The remote works great, the pump is running and everything else lights up as promised, but if it does not produce what you bought it for... you are disappointed!

I am still waiting for further reply on what to do now, but since this was 'pre-order', I guess I will be referring back to my good old 'magic smoke 2' which is - by the way - a very silent, useful and professional smoke device without cartridges that never let me down and produces a very beautiful and heavy smoke.

The problem with creating a buzz like this and taking massive pre-orders, is that you have to live up to high expectations... For the moment, that is not the case for me. Hope others have better experiences and I will let you know how the after sales service works!
Message: Posted by: Alex DLF (Nov 28, 2013 03:31PM)
Wow.. 3 bad feedbacks ! The unit is simply not working :O I'm waiting mine but if it's as most of you, defective, SansMinds will have to explain a few things !
Message: Posted by: doriancaudal (Nov 28, 2013 04:03PM)
Some previous feedback from the last week-end were very positive, though... Let's wait and see. Maybe due do the lack of explanations ? Who to contact if (as a first smoke-device user) we encounter this kind of problem (not operating), upon receiving it : SansMind, a member of the Cafť who can make it work... ?
Message: Posted by: Slartibartfaust (Nov 28, 2013 04:07PM)
I don't't have one
and I don't have a dog in the fight
but did I not read that one must puncture the cartridge?

that would hardly make it defective
(it would mean lousy instructions on the vendors part tho)
Message: Posted by: Alex DLF (Nov 28, 2013 04:21PM)
If it's only that, well, thta's ok. But if the main unit isn't working, it's another thing.
Message: Posted by: tomsk192 (Nov 28, 2013 04:25PM)
Let's face it: everybody, including the apologists, have mentioned the noise coming from this "super silent" device. And please don't tell me about working environments, I'm sitting on a bus coming back from a gig, okay?

Then a bunch of people don't have working devices. Woohoo.

I noted the lack of positive feedback a few days ago. More tumbleweed, with a few marked failures.

:rolleyes:

C'mon Murphy's, you pimped this like a thousand dollar wh0re. What are you saying now, chaps?

Hahahaha.
Message: Posted by: Slartibartfaust (Nov 28, 2013 04:40PM)
[quote]
On 2013-11-28 17:25, tomsk192 wrote:
Let's face it: everybody, including the apologists, have mentioned the noise coming from this "super silent" device. And please don't tell me about working environments, I'm sitting on a bus coming back from a gig, okay?

Then a bunch of people don't have working devices. Woohoo.

I noted the lack of positive feedback a few days ago. More tumbleweed, with a few marked failures.

:rolleyes:

C'mon Murphy's, you pimped this like a thousand dollar wh0re. What are you saying now, chaps?

Hahahaha.
[/quote]

I don't know you nor do I mean offence but you seem determined that this will be a failure, and have seemed so since long before release (i have been following this thread)
why are you so invested in this product being a dud?

I have no need or use for a smoke device, it is way too over the top for my presentation, but many would rejoice at the right solution

so why so *** negative?
Message: Posted by: tomsk192 (Nov 28, 2013 04:48PM)
Just amused, Slartibartfast, and not by your fjords.

I have ordered this: it will arrive late December. There has been pimping on an almost unprecedented level for this toy, chiefly from Murphy's. I don't like pimps much, but lying pimps I have a genuine problem with.

Let's hope the lack of positive feedback is because everyone, bar the ones with defective units, are in smoke nirvana.

Having shelled out the dosh, why would I want it to be crap?
Message: Posted by: Slartibartfaust (Nov 28, 2013 04:57PM)
Ahhh you DO have a dog in the fight :)
well mebbe you have been burnt before, I totally get that
but honestly I have been following this closely (i am more interested in the remote than any smoke or vapor lol)

I am betting the duds have just not gotten adequate explanation which in itself is bad news


S
Message: Posted by: tomsk192 (Nov 28, 2013 05:02PM)
Yes, that could well be so!

Earlier, I made a loose comparison with two much hyped and well received products: Extractor and Clarity Box.

The feedback is clear, quick and overwhelmingly positive. I've seen a few Clarity Boxes for sale, but not because David's product doesn't deliver as promised. The way I was raised, being positive about something you don't believe in was called bull****. It's a habit I don't want to lose anytime soon. ;)

Notice how Nardi and Regal back their products? Where are Sans Minds? Never has their company name been more apposite.

My desire for a decent smoke unit is fast becoming a forlorn hope, but I will be the first to sing its praises if it delivers... :(
Message: Posted by: Slartibartfaust (Nov 28, 2013 05:04PM)
Oh and yes my lovely lovely fjords!
Message: Posted by: tomsk192 (Nov 28, 2013 05:05PM)
:D
Message: Posted by: Slartibartfaust (Nov 28, 2013 05:21PM)
My fingers are crossed on this one, I get your fear tho
but *** that remote system is sexy, I wanna re purpose it lol
Message: Posted by: tomsk192 (Nov 28, 2013 05:25PM)
Yeah, I agree. Everything crossed.... A bit of input from "Without minds" would be nice. Clearly they have better things to do than back up their products... Half-baked or half-assed is what I'm expecting...
Message: Posted by: Slartibartfaust (Nov 28, 2013 05:36PM)
Lol at without minds as a Canadian (we learn French asap) that made me laff too
Message: Posted by: Mark8infiniti (Nov 28, 2013 05:39PM)
********************** IMportant update*****************

OKAY, guys.

I am crawling back here with my tail between my legs.

This time last week... My Vapr arrived, and, after testing it for literally one puff, I came on here ranting and raving about it, I thought it was incredible... honest,,.. I loved it... It seemed perfect, so I came on here to tell you all.

... One hour later, when I charged it and finally had a chance to test it for longer than 10 seconds... It wouldn;t work..


Just like that. Nothing. Dead. I instantly knew it was game over. The pump and remote worked, but NO SMOKE would come out the end. It was obvious, the problem, was that the vaporizer wasnt working... it had ZERO Heat. So, the main unit, Just not working. It worked out of the box for 2 puffs... then, nothing. I tried everything... changing cartridges, charging... nothing. It really is dead.


I was too ashamed to come back on here and say this, after a glowing review, but now it is my duty.

THE DEALER who I pruchased this off is going to replace this faulty unit for me..

But its not good news.

It really gutted me guys... and now I see some others have the same problem!!!!

That's the truth. AMAZING.. if and when it works. Mine just stopped after 10 seconds.
Message: Posted by: cricketer15 (Nov 28, 2013 05:55PM)
Well this isn't good. I hope mine isn't faulty when it arrives next week .
Message: Posted by: Slartibartfaust (Nov 28, 2013 06:02PM)
That certainly doesn't bode well
Message: Posted by: tomsk192 (Nov 28, 2013 06:03PM)
Thanks for letting us know, Mark. :)

[Trebles all round for Murphy's, right? The dealers all snapped it up. Who takes the hit? :eek:]
Message: Posted by: Slartibartfaust (Nov 28, 2013 08:13PM)
Now I wonder if "smoke" is just plain cursed

muhuhahahahahah
Message: Posted by: tomsk192 (Nov 28, 2013 08:21PM)
Only when the snails get to it....
Message: Posted by: Danny Kazam (Nov 28, 2013 08:30PM)
Stayed tuned for the most versatile, reliable, all pupose smoke device that takes no batteries, charges by USB or wall jack. It's smaller than all others on the market, more reliable than all the others, cheaper than all the others, and will work for you everytime. That's no smoke I am blowing, it vapour, and it strips all the unnecessary components to give you the most simple gadget you will find. No joke. There is a reason other devices have all had issues with them, and that's because they try to make them to be unique rather than take it to its bare bones, keeping it simple like it should be.

I have been using one for over a month, testing it in many different ways. So far very impressed with how it works everytime. Laughing about how simple it is, no pointless bulky parts to worry about breaking down. Makes no noise at all.

More info will come.
Message: Posted by: max88 (Nov 28, 2013 09:29PM)
Seems it time to move on to see how good it that mysterious french device come out.
Maybe it will never come out?
Message: Posted by: Slartibartfaust (Nov 28, 2013 09:29PM)
What is it with smoke devices?
are they the holy grail?
every one seems to flop

personally I would never use one, but why the passion?
I just want that remote to use as I see fit lol
Message: Posted by: dbuckalew (Nov 28, 2013 10:00PM)
Very disapointing, no wonder pre-orders in this industry are fading.
Nice packaging for $180.00.
2 puffs of LIGHT smoke at best then nothing.
Should have listened to others on this forum about Tsai.
The DVD was not done well and now a product that is worthless in less than 24 hours.
Hope Hocus Pocus will honor a refund.
Message: Posted by: cricketer15 (Nov 28, 2013 10:37PM)
Well this absolutely sucks. after all the hype and early good reviews it seems like this was going to be a boss device. I hope its just the device being faulty for you guys. anyone out there that owns this has any other reviews?
Message: Posted by: Godzilla (Nov 28, 2013 10:52PM)
I wonder if Bizarro's is still working ?
Message: Posted by: max88 (Nov 28, 2013 11:11PM)
[quote]
On 2013-11-28 23:52, Godzilla wrote:
I wonder if Bizarro's is still working ?
[/quote]

that's funny. someone can check him?
Message: Posted by: cricketer15 (Nov 28, 2013 11:13PM)
[quote]
On 2013-11-28 23:52, Godzilla wrote:
I wonder if Bizarro's is still working ?
[/quote]

or kyle's. or maybe even mr.tsai one himself.
Message: Posted by: magicbyswh (Nov 28, 2013 11:14PM)
The one I saw there is no way you could do this in a close up setting the noise is terrible. Maybe parlor if music is playing but close up no way without the specs hearing a motor humming.
Also it is obvious the smoke is coming from your sleeve. You may get by again in a parlor setting since you are 10-12 feet away but when you have to remove your jacket you will have to hide to remove the contraption. My friend dropped the money on this one. But he has a lot of more money to blow than I do.
Message: Posted by: Slartibartfaust (Nov 28, 2013 11:37PM)
[quote]
On 2013-11-29 00:14, magicbyswh wrote:
The one I saw there is no way you could do this in a close up setting the noise is terrible. Maybe parlor if music is playing but close up no way without the specs hearing a motor humming.
Also it is obvious the smoke is coming from your sleeve. You may get by again in a parlor setting since you are 10-12 feet away but when you have to remove your jacket you will have to hide to remove the contraption. My friend dropped the money on this one. But he has a lot of more money to blow than I do.
[/quote]
not doubting the efficacy of the prop...it may be a dud BUT
if it's obvious the "smoke" is coming from your sleeve...the problem is YOU not the device

just saying
Message: Posted by: Alex DLF (Nov 28, 2013 11:49PM)
Another bad review.. I'm even more excited to receive mine, I will test it for a few days and if I have the same problem than you guys, all those big names who told us that it was the final word blablabla will loose their credibility forever. Remind me hug in some ways..

Let's wait and see, I will come back with real arguments next time. I hope they will be better than yours :/
Message: Posted by: Godzilla (Nov 28, 2013 11:55PM)
May not,take a few days...
Message: Posted by: Alex DLF (Nov 29, 2013 12:01AM)
Yup. But this isn't the case of problem with cartridges since it worked fine the first time and then stop working ! It means the unit is clearly defective :0
Message: Posted by: max88 (Nov 29, 2013 12:02AM)
[quote]
On 2013-11-29 00:49, Alex DLF wrote:
Another bad review.. I'm even more excited to receive mine, I will test it for a few days and if I have the same problem than you guys, all those big names who told us that it was the final word blablabla will loose their credibility forever. Remind me hug in some ways..

Let's wait and see, I will come back with real arguments next time. I hope they will be better than yours :/
[/quote]

You may not need few days. Just play it for 15 mintues to make smoke and go around. After that do a charging. Then play to see does it still work or not.
Message: Posted by: cricketer15 (Nov 29, 2013 12:29AM)
[quote]
On 2013-11-29 00:49, Alex DLF wrote:
Another bad review.. I'm even more excited to receive mine, I will test it for a few days and if I have the same problem than you guys, all those big names who told us that it was the final word blablabla will loose their credibility forever. Remind me hug in some ways..

Let's wait and see, I will come back with real arguments next time. I hope they will be better than yours :/
[/quote]

I hope so, I chucked 200 dollars on this at my local store (will get stock next week). if it is defective I will blame the reviews that I have watched so far that say this is top notch best smoke device ever. (as long as it works it probably is)
Message: Posted by: oliversmith (Nov 29, 2013 12:47AM)
I'm currently cancelling my order.
Message: Posted by: doriancaudal (Nov 29, 2013 03:16AM)
Hoping Hocus Pocus / Paul Gross can provide a complete refund or a free exchange for the deleterious unworking part, if this does not work, of course.
Message: Posted by: guinelli (Nov 29, 2013 06:18AM)
The people of Sansminds do their best to help me out but claim that I am the only one with this problem and that their customer-service department has had no other remarks or complaints regarding this issue...
Message: Posted by: cricketer15 (Nov 29, 2013 07:18AM)
[quote]
On 2013-11-29 07:18, guinelli wrote:
The people of Sansminds do their best to help me out but claim that I am the only one with this problem and that their customer-service department has had no other remarks or complaints regarding this issue...
[/quote]

Link them this thread.
Message: Posted by: WizTom (Nov 29, 2013 08:07AM)
I do not believe what I read here. Supposedly 3 years of development and then something like this? That scares me. I start thinking of canceling my order... :-/
Message: Posted by: WizTom (Nov 29, 2013 08:43AM)
[quote]
On 2013-11-29 00:49, Alex DLF wrote:
Another bad review.. I'm even more excited to receive mine, I will test it for a few days and if I have the same problem than you guys, all those big names who told us that it was the final word blablabla will loose their credibility forever. Remind me hug in some ways..

Let's wait and see, I will come back with real arguments next time. I hope they will be better than yours :/
[/quote]

You have my full support. Then this is not funny anymore and they will have a very enjoyable experience...
Message: Posted by: emyers99 (Nov 29, 2013 09:07AM)
Thinking of cancelling my order as well.
Message: Posted by: PRINCE (Nov 29, 2013 10:13AM)
And with this being another example.See, when are you guys ever going to learn. After all the years of the deadly traps of pre orders people are still being sucked in by still jumping on it. I honestly the whole saga with HUG would have been enough for people to have got the message loud and clear, yet you are still getting burnt - and this being another example. Can't you just resist and wait just a couple of weeks after release date and wait for the real world reviews first. No, you would rather pay them and let them take the p1ss by cashing your money, making interest on it, then at times delaying the release date (not this case but most others) to buy more time and get more interest etc etc. Then be gutted and sorry when its all a let down. Please learn from this.
Message: Posted by: Lou Cirulli (Nov 29, 2013 10:46AM)
[quote]
On 2013-11-29 10:07, emyers99 wrote:
Thinking of cancelling my order as well.
[/quote]

I just did!!
Message: Posted by: oliversmith (Nov 29, 2013 10:56AM)
[quote]
On 2013-11-29 11:46, Lou Cirulli wrote:
[quote]
On 2013-11-29 10:07, emyers99 wrote:
Thinking of cancelling my order as well.
[/quote]

I just did!!
[/quote]

Same.
Message: Posted by: SociallyAwkwardPenguin (Nov 29, 2013 10:57AM)
[quote]
On 2013-11-29 11:13, PRINCE wrote:
And with this being another example.See, when are you guys ever going to learn. After all the years of the deadly traps of pre orders people are still being sucked in by still jumping on it. I honestly the whole saga with HUG would have been enough for people to have got the message loud and clear, yet you are still getting burnt - and this being another example. Can't you just resist and wait just a couple of weeks after release date and wait for the real world reviews first. No, you would rather pay them and let them take the p1ss by cashing your money, making interest on it, then at times delaying the release date (not this case but most others) to buy more time and get more interest etc etc. Then be gutted and sorry when its all a let down. Please learn from this.
[/quote]

Magic marketing is built on luring in suckers...
Message: Posted by: KyleMarlett (Nov 29, 2013 12:05PM)
Hey Guys!

Hope you all had a awesome Thanksgiving!

I have a step by step PDF help sheet to make sure your Vapr works properly.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/s7o6z6az133sl7n/Vapr%20Trouble%20Shooting

The majority of people that we found having problems has been from charging errors, usage errors, mishandling, and a few other user related issues. We have experienced a very low and acceptable defect rate for Vapr. Looks like there are eight different steps and controls that can be checked before determining if the product is faulty. The PDF here has all of the steps you need to go through to make sure the Vaprs working properly.

Also the PDF is going out to all the dealers so if you're having any issues, you can also contact you local dealer.

Let me know if I can help with anything else!

-Kyle
Message: Posted by: doriancaudal (Nov 29, 2013 12:44PM)
Thanks Kyle ! But I cannot open the pdf ;) Is it only me ?
Message: Posted by: Harry the magic man (Nov 29, 2013 01:02PM)
I can. You might want to create a dropbox account.
Message: Posted by: Slartibartfaust (Nov 29, 2013 01:15PM)
[quote]
On 2013-11-29 13:44, doriancaudal wrote:
Thanks Kyle ! But I cannot open the pdf ;) Is it only me ?
[/quote]

rename the file with pdf as the extension then it will work
Message: Posted by: doriancaudal (Nov 29, 2013 01:15PM)
It works, thanks.
Message: Posted by: Rabid (Nov 29, 2013 01:22PM)
[quote]
On 2013-11-29 11:13, PRINCE wrote:
And with this being another example.See, when are you guys ever going to learn. After all the years of the deadly traps of pre orders people are still being sucked in by still jumping on it. I honestly the whole saga with HUG would have been enough for people to have got the message loud and clear, yet you are still getting burnt - and this being another example. Can't you just resist and wait just a couple of weeks after release date and wait for the real world reviews first. No, you would rather pay them and let them take the p1ss by cashing your money, making interest on it, then at times delaying the release date (not this case but most others) to buy more time and get more interest etc etc. Then be gutted and sorry when its all a let down. Please learn from this.
[/quote]

Of course...if no one buys a product because they're all waiting for real world reviews, there won't be any...real world reviews.
Message: Posted by: emyers99 (Nov 29, 2013 01:23PM)
Sad that this even has to go out. All necessary info should be on the dvd.
Message: Posted by: Martin.Lester (Nov 29, 2013 01:33PM)
If fairness to Kyle he has done a good job in putting together a helpfull trouble shooting PDF

That does question once again the grab the money and run approach of the creator

After 3 years should this not have been all ironed out before the product came out

And strange that not one post from him but relying from Murphy's to try and sort out the mess
Message: Posted by: emyers99 (Nov 29, 2013 01:37PM)
Agreed on all counts.
Message: Posted by: Xcath1 (Nov 29, 2013 02:12PM)
Drop box says the file has been removed.
Message: Posted by: KyleMarlett (Nov 29, 2013 02:20PM)
[quote]
On 2013-11-29 15:12, Xcath1 wrote:
Drop box says the file has been removed.
[/quote]

Hey man!

Sorry about that, I was trying to move in a public folder to make it easier on people but I've moved it back to it's original spot so it should work now and if not here is the link again

https://www.dropbox.com/s/s7o6z6az133sl7n/Vapr%20Trouble%20Shooting

-Kyle
Message: Posted by: TheAmazingSteveo (Nov 29, 2013 03:45PM)
Wow ... just got this delivered today. This is one of the best purchases I have ever made.

Professionally made ... well thought out.

Nice JOB!!!! Highly Recommended.
Message: Posted by: Xcath1 (Nov 29, 2013 04:09PM)
Thanks Kyle
Message: Posted by: Shanlip (Nov 29, 2013 04:28PM)
I have had mine 3 days now and I am still playing around with it.
It works perfectly with still the same thick clouds of smoke.
I have had no issues with it at all.
I fully charged it the main unit, remote and vaporiser before
Playing with it.
Still happy wih my purchase so far and I will post if anything
faults with it.
Message: Posted by: guinelli (Nov 29, 2013 04:40PM)
I have read the document and it seems very handy, but it does not help when the heating coil is not heating at all... But like with the travel- and holiday forums ... only people with complaints or bad experiences post their comments. I still believe I had bad luck and hope to be helped out soon.
Message: Posted by: Stucky (Nov 29, 2013 05:25PM)
[quote]
And strange that not one post from him but relying from Murphy's to try and sort out the mess
[/quote]

I love all of these people who are demaning someone get on a magic forum to answer their questions on/around a Holiday. God forbid he has family or anything he might actually want to see or be with.
Message: Posted by: tomsk192 (Nov 29, 2013 05:41PM)
[quote]
On 2013-11-29 14:22, Rabid wrote:
[quote]
On 2013-11-29 11:13, PRINCE wrote:
And with this being another example.See, when are you guys ever going to learn. After all the years of the deadly traps of pre orders people are still being sucked in by still jumping on it. I honestly the whole saga with HUG would have been enough for people to have got the message loud and clear, yet you are still getting burnt - and this being another example. Can't you just resist and wait just a couple of weeks after release date and wait for the real world reviews first. No, you would rather pay them and let them take the p1ss by cashing your money, making interest on it, then at times delaying the release date (not this case but most others) to buy more time and get more interest etc etc. Then be gutted and sorry when its all a let down. Please learn from this.
[/quote]

Of course...if no one buys a product because they're all waiting for real world reviews, there won't be any...real world reviews.


[/quote]

I'll oblige in January, if necessary.
Message: Posted by: PatrickGregoire (Nov 29, 2013 05:42PM)
One cartridge might blast out a certain amount of puffs but that cartridge will only last a certain amount of time, which is less than a day.

I wish the remote had a 5 second delay, so that you could push it secretly with your hand and then openly bring your hands together and then the smoke appears.
Message: Posted by: tomsk192 (Nov 29, 2013 05:44PM)
[quote]
On 2013-11-29 18:25, Stucky wrote:
[quote]
And strange that not one post from him but relying from Murphy's to try and sort out the mess
[/quote]

I love all of these people who are demaning someone get on a magic forum to answer their questions on/around a Holiday. God forbid he has family or anything he might actually want to see or be with.
[/quote]

Hmmm. I see your point, but as an entertainer? This time of year, up until Christmas, is incredibly busy for me, at any rate.

If I'd just released a product? I'd be working my arse off, frankly.
Message: Posted by: Stucky (Nov 29, 2013 05:53PM)
[quote]
I wish the remote had a 5 second delay, so that you could push it secretly with your hand and then openly bring your hands together and then the smoke appears.
[/quote]

I think that is what the remote is for.
Message: Posted by: KyleMarlett (Nov 29, 2013 06:40PM)
Hey Guys!

Regarding the lack of response from SansMinds and Will Tsai. While they do not frequent these boards, we are in contact with them and we are helping to communicate solutions to you on their behalf. They are aware of the communications and want nothing more than to help you with your Vapr.

Our findings have been that the share of issues have been related to usage and are easily resolved. We would ask that anyone please ensure that you follow the troublshooting guide before posting a complaint as we are confident that your solution most likely is related to usage as this product has undergone rigorous quality control.

If the troubleshooting guide does not solve your problem, then please contact your dealer directly to arrange a replacement as SansMinds & your dealer will do everything possible to make sure that you are completely satisfied with your purchase.

If you have any questions that we or the community can help with here, feel free to post as we fully stand behind Vapr and will do everything we can for you to help through any issue you may run into.

Thank you all for the continued support and community involvement with Vapr.

Here's the trouble shooting PDF once again
https://www.dropbox.com/s/s7o6z6az133sl7n/Vapr%20Trouble%20Shooting

Kyle
Message: Posted by: Stucky (Nov 29, 2013 07:01PM)
So what you are saying is that it's an ID10-T error?
Message: Posted by: tomsk192 (Nov 29, 2013 07:30PM)
Really? Sounds like some idiots put the instructions together... Again, compare it with other high priced products. There is such a thing as idiot-proofing something. It's what decent producers do. It's, erm, idiotic not to... :rolleyes:
Message: Posted by: Slartibartfaust (Nov 29, 2013 08:06PM)
So
"you're not using it right"

wait where have I heard that before?

the packaging is a hint
Message: Posted by: PatrickGregoire (Nov 29, 2013 10:27PM)
[quote]
On 2013-11-29 18:53, Stucky wrote:
[quote]
I wish the remote had a 5 second delay, so that you could push it secretly with your hand and then openly bring your hands together and then the smoke appears.
[/quote]

I think that is what the remote is for.
[/quote]

Really?... -_- I own this and no, there is no delay. That's why I said I wish there was... The only advantage of the remote is that you can have the device somewhere not on your body and trigger it without going near it.
Message: Posted by: Alex DLF (Nov 30, 2013 12:04AM)
Thanks Kyle for the PDF but.. If something, which has been 3 years in the making, want to revolutionize the market, it has to be PERFECT on any points. It's not normal that you have to do a PDF to explain how to use Vapr !

Really disappointed from what I read here, hope my device will be functional :) I'll let you know.
Message: Posted by: Archey (Nov 30, 2013 04:08AM)
What I'd like to know is has anyone who has been having trouble with Vapr read the PDF and overcome the problems?
Message: Posted by: Stucky (Nov 30, 2013 04:28AM)
[quote]
Really?... -_- I own this and no, there is no delay. That's why I said I wish there was... The only advantage of the remote is that you can have the device somewhere not on your body and trigger it without going near it.
[/quote]

If used as a toe switch you can trigger it whenever you want. Make your own delay as it were.
Message: Posted by: magicbyswh (Nov 30, 2013 05:34AM)
3 years in the making and at the selling price this should be perfect. The one I played with could be heard in a whole room. Not so much if music is playing but don't plan on using this in a quiet close up setting. Or a close up setting period. I had the intention of using this behind a prop on a table in a parlor setting. If the room it quiet it could be heard at 20 feet away. When music was turned on it masked the noise.
My friend tested it on a family friend at 10 feet away. He put his hands together and had some smoke come out. Looked great then the friend said pull up your sleeves. OK I know we have to control the audience and this was a test but that was the first thought of the person that saw the smoke.
Message: Posted by: Alex DLF (Nov 30, 2013 06:44AM)
Loud or not loud so ? WMS are telling us that you can't hear it. Some people here are telling that it is very loud..

Too bad my order is already sent :(
Message: Posted by: PRINCE (Nov 30, 2013 07:33AM)
Geez - perhaps this is even louder than PS - and I think that is quiet. So sad already for all the disappointment. With this whole presale saga and the comment. If everyone waited then there WOULD be real world reviews as there are so many dealers giving video product reviews etc so it will get reviewd then! Then you can go decided if its worth it or not - simple. Also yes, would have been good to say have a longer delay time to clearly show your hands open etc. that's why probably most people for the wanting of not will not be using the remote in walk around etc. The key thing to check is if the heating coil is lighting or not. If its not forget about everything else - you will not get any smoke.
Message: Posted by: Alex DLF (Nov 30, 2013 07:54AM)
I understand your point PRINCE but with all those big names (Kyle Marlett, Calen Morelli, Bizarro) telling us that it's great, it must be something good ?

I learnt a lesson, never trust any quotes but real feedbacks from people who actually payed for it and work it. This is one of my first pre order, I won't do it again.
Message: Posted by: PRINCE (Nov 30, 2013 08:35AM)
Yep totally agree, magicians helping magicians ;) that's the problem when you mix business with pleasure and magicians help each other, they then get the 'quotes' to help back the product - making the whole intention for it to sell and they make the money. Yeah all these big names involved surely it must be good for them to endorse it etc etc. Look at when pure smoke came out with all those names against it, the hype it got etc - its still probably the most taked about product for the wrong reasons. However mine is still perfect. But the saga with the pre orders, once bitten twice shy and hopefully we will all learn and be more cautious and careful in future
Message: Posted by: catweazle (Nov 30, 2013 08:42AM)
Reading through this thread it looks like quite a few people are using the new unit straight from the box - possibly without charging it first. e-cigs use lipo batteries which fail completely if the voltage drops below 3v, so you really should charge them before use - its a possible explanation for the quick failures but does not explain all the posts on here, of course another explaination may be that they are just cheap units prone to failure - I have had a number of e-cigs(to quit smoking) and the cheap ones always break quickly.
Message: Posted by: PatrickGregoire (Nov 30, 2013 10:05AM)
I've tried using the remote as a toe switch first thing as it's the idea I had before receiving the device but it's no good because there is no position where it's easy to trigger yet safe not to trigger accidentally while walking.
Message: Posted by: JackMagic (Nov 30, 2013 10:30AM)
[quote]
On 2013-11-30 07:44, Alex DLF wrote:
Loud or not loud so ? WMS are telling us that you can't hear it. Some people here are telling that it is very loud..

Too bad my order is already sent :(
[/quote]

WMS are dealers who will say anything thing to get a sale

A friend of mine showed me this and I can tel you it's loud !

How ever when I put on my noise cancelling head phones I could not hear a thing so maybe the guys at WMS was also wearing headphones when they did there review !!
Message: Posted by: elimagic (Nov 30, 2013 11:46AM)
Okay I received my unit and have been playing with it out of the box. The smoke output is good and quite thick. The unit feels like quality and not cheap. The coating is very pleasant and not made of cheap plastic at all. Everything works well out of the box. It is charging now so I will see if it works fine after charging. Now on to the sound. There is noise, it is not silent, however if anyone thought it would be completely silent, they know nothing of electronics. There is a sound, yes, but it is very workable. With some form of jacket on, and a tiny bit of background noise, it will not be noticed. If you do not talk and are in a completely silent environment, yes there will be some sound. The nice thing though is that because you have the remote, you can put the main unit in your back pocket and trigger it with the remote and then the sound is much less noticeable. Obviously this is first impressions, however it is very simple, comfortable to wear, thick smoke output, and a quality product. Yes there is noise, no it is not loud. The people saying that it is loud are most likely just holding the unit not putting it into position with a jacket on top, this makes a big difference. I did not buy puresmoke, so I cannot compare the sound. Someone wanted a comparison of vapr to a vibrating phone, it is not as loud as an iphone being held in the hand on vibrate. As long as it keeps working the way it is out of the box now I will be a happy customer.
Message: Posted by: Alex DLF (Nov 30, 2013 12:07PM)
A friend of mine just received it. He is satisfied with it, some noise but it's fine.

That make me trust again.. :/
Message: Posted by: SociallyAwkwardPenguin (Nov 30, 2013 12:09PM)
[quote]
On 2013-11-30 07:44, Alex DLF wrote:
WMS are telling us that you can't hear it. Some people here are telling that it is very loud..

[/quote]

Think it through. WMS are trying to sell the product. People that have it saying it is loud are not.

You do the math.
Message: Posted by: Alex DLF (Nov 30, 2013 12:33PM)
So if we follow that way you are thinking, the WPR is not honest ?
Message: Posted by: tomsk192 (Nov 30, 2013 12:34PM)
Actually, the very first thing Dave said was, "It's not silent."

They then went on to discuss how loud it was and concluded that the noise was not sufficient to prevent using it in most working environments. Much like some of the feedback here.

Watch the video, is my suggestion.
Message: Posted by: SociallyAwkwardPenguin (Nov 30, 2013 12:37PM)
[quote]
On 2013-11-30 13:33, Alex DLF wrote:
So if we follow that way you are thinking, the WPR is not honest ?
[/quote]

I wouldn't buy from them. The Wayne Dobson incident was enough to put me off them for life, however, that aside, I wouldn't ever trust a "review" show from a company selling the products they review. I am not suggesting they are dishonest, but obviously they have a vested interest in selling the things they "review".
Message: Posted by: Zombie Magic (Nov 30, 2013 12:51PM)
Look at the list of creators that have been VERY angry with Dave and Craig's poor reviews of their products. Products that WMS sells. I think Dave and Craig have been quiet honest with their opinions as half he people that watch want to see them go off on rants about bad products.
Message: Posted by: TheAmazingSteveo (Nov 30, 2013 01:09PM)
This is a VERY VERY FINE product .. highly recommended. I used it for the first time last night .. probably hit 15 tables. It performed perfectly. Nice blast of very thick smoke each time. I used the remote in my pocket. One problem I did notice that I accidentally triggered the remote while looking for something in my pocket .. which wasn't so bad .. people said "Hey, your sleeve is on fire -- are you the devil -- please don't put me on fire". I have to figure out a better place to put the remote on my body somewhere. I had 2 Pure smokes but really didn't like the strapped in feeling so I never used it -- this eliminates that problem and gives you a lot more freedom. I didn't find ANY problem whatsoever with noise ... and this included doing it in a quiet house.
Message: Posted by: elimagic (Nov 30, 2013 01:14PM)
Also, I just recharged it for about an hour and a half and replaced the cartridge, everything worked fine.
Message: Posted by: PRINCE (Nov 30, 2013 01:15PM)
Sorry elimagic I don't get it? You said that it produces thick smoke etc, but in the next sentence you said its charging now so will test it after charging. If its allready fully charged and you can use this straight out of the box then great, and understand you are now saying its the first time charging so will see again after that. Only I thought people had to fully charge the unit first out of box before they can use it?
Message: Posted by: elimagic (Nov 30, 2013 02:05PM)
It is charged out of the box, but not fully charged. People said they experienced problems after plugging it in to be charged so I wanted to test that it worked before and after.
Again this is all first impressions but so far so good on all accounts.
Message: Posted by: JCheng (Nov 30, 2013 02:17PM)
Where is the WMS review?
Message: Posted by: Magic Piet (Nov 30, 2013 02:21PM)
WMS review: on facebook like "world magic shop" and scroll down.. maybe this link will work also: https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=10151764481497544&set=vb.135730316758&type=2&theater
Message: Posted by: JCheng (Nov 30, 2013 02:36PM)
Thanks for the link!
Message: Posted by: Zombie Magic (Nov 30, 2013 02:39PM)
[quote]
On 2013-11-30 15:21, Magic Piet wrote:
WMS review: on facebook like "world magic shop" and scroll down.. maybe this link will work also: https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=10151764481497544&set=vb.135730316758&type=2&theater
[/quote]

Thanks for the link.

Well, David Penn was covered in smoke. The remote worked, everything worked.
Message: Posted by: tomsk192 (Nov 30, 2013 03:35PM)
Yes. And people have been bullsh1tt1ng on this thread about the WMS unboxing vid. Watch it, they do not claim it is silent.
Message: Posted by: sgtgrey (Nov 30, 2013 03:53PM)
Well, as long as electronics are involved, there will be some noise - I think we all know that. What I'd like to see is a regular person demo Pure Smoke and Vapr and compare the sound difference. It'll also be interesting to see how the device holds up over time...
Message: Posted by: tomsk192 (Nov 30, 2013 03:56PM)
'Yes' to both those thoughts.
Message: Posted by: Stucky (Nov 30, 2013 05:03PM)
[quote]
On 2013-11-30 11:05, PatrickGregoire wrote:
I've tried using the remote as a toe switch first thing as it's the idea I had before receiving the device but it's no good because there is no position where it's easy to trigger yet safe not to trigger accidentally while walking.
[/quote]

Did you watch the Bizarro video? You don't actually put it in your shoe and hit it with your toe.
Message: Posted by: Zombie Magic (Nov 30, 2013 05:07PM)
If you wear a bicycle helmet when performing, you could put the "toe" switch in the chinstrap. When you extend your jaw, it would activate the smoke.
Message: Posted by: PatrickGregoire (Nov 30, 2013 05:40PM)
Yes I've watched the Bizarro video, I disagree with him because you can use a toe switch however you want and I'm not about to touch one foot to the other to get the smoke to come out. That's just weird...
Message: Posted by: KyleMarlett (Nov 30, 2013 06:05PM)
Hey guys!

I announced the winner of last weeks Unwrapped (Vapr and Modern Triumph) in this weeks episode of Unwrapped!

Enjoy
http://www.themagiccafe.com/forums/viewtopic.php?topic=527339&forum=218&65&start=60

-Kyle
Message: Posted by: Mark8infiniti (Nov 30, 2013 06:36PM)
Been a while since I came here.... it's sad to see some other people with the issue I had, i.e. not working at all.

I've sent mine back to Magic Shop who are gonna send me a new unit, which I am fine with, just hope the last one was faulty, and that the next one is fine.

I meant what I said, I think this is a nice product... but it HAS to stand the test of time. Just like PS... the same story, faulty units, manufacturing faults, quality control... all that stuff... poor, poor, poor as always..... what a shame.

The PDF Kyle released was kind, but would have been no use as my vaporizer, i.e. the important bit was not working. The pump was fine but there was ZERO HEAT.It worked for 2 puffs, even when I plugged it in to chsrge for the first time, the vaporizer never lit up... I absolutely disagree with a previous comment that testing the unit before charging is what caused the damage - no way. My unit already came fully charged as the LED suggested when I plugged it in without pressing a single button. that's why I tested it.... the remote that is. The vaporizer had no light. PLUS ANYWAY, if the device is capable of breaking if you blow 2 PUFFS without charging FULLY, then what a load of rubbish... naa.... lets be honest, my unit, like others, was just faulty. I REALLY HOPE I was one of very few, and the replacement is fine.

So, in conclusion... Vapr, for me personally, has been a MASSIVE dissapointed due to the fact I paid 150 and, couldn't even use it. It doesn't get any worse than that.

Really feel like ive gone off the product too... been using Magic Smoke V2 again, which, is more than enough.... ***.... should have stuck with that... at the time, I couldn't get a replacement part which had worn... now, Illusioncraft have sorted me out. Ah man... what a waste of money Vapr seems for me. I'd rather have my money back, but having purchased the item I have to accept a working replacement instead.

Hope you all get better units than I did..

I still hope, this product can be good for me. But what a shoddy story so far. Typical....

night.
Message: Posted by: Xiqual (Nov 30, 2013 06:36PM)
I was thinking of putting the switch between my butt cheeks, then clenching. I am afraid that the police might think I am hiding drugs though.
James

[quote]
On 2013-11-30 18:07, Zombie Magic wrote:
If you wear a bicycle helmet when performing, you could put the "toe" switch in the chinstrap. When you extend your jaw, it would activate the smoke.
[/quote]
Message: Posted by: elimagic (Nov 30, 2013 06:55PM)
[quote]
On 2013-11-30 19:36, Xiqual wrote:
I was thinking of putting the switch between my butt cheeks, then clenching. I am afraid that the police might think I am hiding drugs though.
James

[quote]
On 2013-11-30 18:07, Zombie Magic wrote:
If you wear a bicycle helmet when performing, you could put the "toe" switch in the chinstrap. When you extend your jaw, it would activate the smoke.
[/quote]
[/quote]

Better start hittin' the squats !!
Message: Posted by: max88 (Nov 30, 2013 08:00PM)
[quote]
On 2013-11-30 19:36, magicmarkworldwide2 wrote:
...
So, in conclusion... Vapr, for me personally, has been a MASSIVE dissapointed due to the fact I paid 150 and, couldn't even use it. It doesn't get any worse than that.
...
night.
[/quote]
Now I figure out why your unit not work, retail,price is 180, and you pay 30 less, must be some piece is taken away to compromoise.
Just joking, wish you have a workable device replacement. And thanks for honest review.
Message: Posted by: Tom Cutts (Nov 30, 2013 08:41PM)
[quote]
On 2013-11-30 19:36, magicmarkworldwide2 wrote:
due to the fact I paid 150
[/quote]Yes, do tell where you got it for $150.
Message: Posted by: emyers99 (Nov 30, 2013 11:00PM)
Rumor has it that their next release will be the Make Your Own Vapr kit. Like their CD prediction kit, all you have to do is find a bunch of parts that don't exist and you are good to go.
Message: Posted by: Zombie Magic (Nov 30, 2013 11:28PM)
After watching David Penn demo it ( David would have been the first to call it out f there were issues ) I think Vapr is going to have a happy ending for users of it.
Message: Posted by: Fire Starter (Dec 1, 2013 01:09AM)
Hope you guy's get sorted out and all is well ,certainly a bummer when a lot of money is payed out.
Message: Posted by: Mark8infiniti (Dec 1, 2013 02:39AM)
150 quid guys, not dollars!
Message: Posted by: JackMagic (Dec 1, 2013 03:23AM)
[quote]
On 2013-12-01 00:00, emyers99 wrote:
Rumor has it that their next release will be the Make Your Own Vapr kit. Like their CD prediction kit, all you have to do is find a bunch of parts that don't exist and you are good to go.
[/quote]

The thing with Wil is magicians will still buy it and then we can have another 14 pages of how useless the kit is !

Some people never learn !
Message: Posted by: kazpet (Dec 1, 2013 03:59AM)
I received my unit during the week. I was impressed with the packaging. I watched the DVD before I started to play with the unit. I then charged the three items that required charging. Once they were all charged I was about to get a cartridge out of one of the packs until I realized that there was one already installed. I pushed the button on the main unit and I received a good shot of thick smoke. I did this a number of times with the same good result. I then tried the remote and it also worked well Even at a good distance from the unit. Yes there is a sound, but no more than a vibrating phone, which can be muffled under clothing. All in all I am very satisfied with my purchase. Perhaps we are only hearing from people that have faulty units. It would be interesting to know how many units have been shipped because you can expect a small percentage of faults.
Message: Posted by: cricketer15 (Dec 1, 2013 05:50AM)
[quote]
On 2013-12-01 04:59, kazpet wrote:
I received my unit during the week. I was impressed with the packaging. I watched the DVD before I started to play with the unit. I then charged the three items that required charging. Once they were all charged I was about to get a cartridge out of one of the packs until I realized that there was one already installed. I pushed the button on the main unit and I received a good shot of thick smoke. I did this a number of times with the same good result. I then tried the remote and it also worked well Even at a good distance from the unit. Yes there is a sound, but no more than a vibrating phone, which can be muffled under clothing. All in all I am very satisfied with my purchase. Perhaps we are only hearing from people that have faulty units. It would be interesting to know how many units have been shipped because you can expect a small percentage of faults.
[/quote]

good to hear, I should have mine in the next 2 days, hopefully its not faulty :P
Message: Posted by: JackMagic (Dec 1, 2013 07:13AM)
[quote]
On 2013-12-01 04:59, kazpet wrote:
I received my unit during the week. I was impressed with the packaging. I watched the DVD before I started to play with the unit. I then charged the three items that required charging. Once they were all charged I was about to get a cartridge out of one of the packs until I realized that there was one already installed. I pushed the button on the main unit and I received a good shot of thick smoke. I did this a number of times with the same good result. I then tried the remote and it also worked well Even at a good distance from the unit. Yes there is a sound, but no more than a vibrating phone, which can be muffled under clothing. All in all I am very satisfied with my purchase. Perhaps we are only hearing from people that have faulty units. It would be interesting to know how many units have been shipped because you can expect a small percentage of faults.
[/quote]

Reading through the 14 pages it looks like 60% of the units work

40% of the Units are Faulty

But hey you can always return it to Wil with his legendary customer service !

Or wait for the DIY Kit to come out in a few months time
Message: Posted by: Mark Southworth (Dec 1, 2013 07:24AM)
Ok, I have had my unit for over a week now.

After charging the 3 units & placing in a fresh cartridge I was up & running with no problems at all.

As others have said, yes there is a noise when you fire up the unit in your hands, my test was to set the unit to remote only & I place my fist around the pump unit & the noise is very quiet. Under clothing as others have said dulls the sound then there's some background noise when performing.

I have made a sound proof sleave for the pump, which again makes this quiet, but in all fairness it's overkill unless you want a one on one in a quiet room ?
Most places I perform in have some kind of noise, talking, background music etc.

This is the 1st product from Sans Mind & I am really happy with the unit it's small easy to wear & the remote system is fantastic, not only that 4 packs of Cartridges was a nice touch.
The units charges very quickly & I have used this at 2 gigs this week & both went down very well, I prefer to keep it pressed down for a few seconds & you get a nice poof of white smoke.

Sorry to hear others are having problems, but maybe you were unlucky ?

For the money well worth it & really glad I got this :)
Message: Posted by: johndevacmaker (Dec 1, 2013 10:38AM)
I'm with you Jack
Can't wait for the D.I.Y. Kit
Message: Posted by: johndevacmaker (Dec 1, 2013 10:38AM)
I'm with you Jack
Can't wait for the D.I.Y. Kit
Message: Posted by: JackMagic (Dec 1, 2013 10:43AM)
[quote]
On 2013-12-01 11:38, johndevacmaker wrote:
I'm with you Jack
Can't wait for the D.I.Y. Kit
[/quote]

Fact is after 14 Pages of posts not a word from will says a lot to me

( only support has come from Murphy's unofficial PDF)

Without that the complains would be in the 80%
Message: Posted by: DTJK (Dec 1, 2013 11:18AM)
[quote]
On 2013-11-30 19:36, Xiqual wrote:
I was thinking of putting the switch between my butt cheeks, then clenching. I am afraid that the police might think I am hiding drugs though.
James

[quote]
On 2013-11-30 18:07, Zombie Magic wrote:
If you wear a bicycle helmet when performing, you could put the "toe" switch in the chinstrap. When you extend your jaw, it would activate the smoke.
[/quote]
[/quote]

This sparked a lot of ideas. I'm going to put it at the SIDE of my knee, so when I can activate it when both knees touch. (Honestly not a bad idea!)

Or you can put it in under your tummy (for those who have one) and jump a little to activate it..

And if you're a female magician.. Never mind. I'll keep that method to myself.
Message: Posted by: alextsui (Dec 1, 2013 12:26PM)
Another "toe switch" idea (for guys only):
Put the remote in your underwear. Whenever you want to trigger it, just think sexy thoughts. :)
Message: Posted by: Martin.Lester (Dec 1, 2013 12:36PM)
What a Classy product this is turning out to be !
Message: Posted by: Zombie Magic (Dec 1, 2013 12:40PM)
[quote]
On 2013-12-01 08:24, Mark Southworth wrote:
Ok, I have had my unit for over a week now.

After charging the 3 units & placing in a fresh cartridge I was up & running with no problems at all.

As others have said, yes there is a noise when you fire up the unit in your hands, my test was to set the unit to remote only & I place my fist around the pump unit & the noise is very quiet. Under clothing as others have said dulls the sound then there's some background noise when performing.

I have made a sound proof sleave for the pump, which again makes this quiet, but in all fairness it's overkill unless you want a one on one in a quiet room ?
Most places I perform in have some kind of noise, talking, background music etc.

This is the 1st product from Sans Mind & I am really happy with the unit it's small easy to wear & the remote system is fantastic, not only that 4 packs of Cartridges was a nice touch.
The units charges very quickly & I have used this at 2 gigs this week & both went down very well, I prefer to keep it pressed down for a few seconds & you get a nice poof of white smoke.

Sorry to hear others are having problems, but maybe you were unlucky ?

For the money well worth it & really glad I got this :)

[/quote]

Mark Southworth, thanks for posting a Professional's view of the product. That's what I'm interested in hearing ( how it works in actual performance ).
Message: Posted by: Mark Southworth (Dec 1, 2013 12:51PM)
Not at all :)

Also I have had the whole unit in my breast pocket & placed on a chair in the restaurant & said it's my smoking jacket........now it's a blazer ( old gag ) but a great use because of the remote.

I even place this on the tv bracket on our wall & the mrs thought the tv was on fire...... Hilarious !! Well for me at least.

I am waiting to hear if the soundproof sleeve will affect the pump unit in any way, so I will let you know.
Message: Posted by: Eddie Garland (Dec 1, 2013 01:39PM)
I'm sending up smoke signals.
I have owned most of the small vapor machines. This is easily the best.
Vapr worked perfectly for me out of the box.
The attention to detail is dreamy.

and yeah...one of the first things I did was hide it in the medicine cabinet and waited for the wife to use the bathroom.
Message: Posted by: JCheng (Dec 1, 2013 03:18PM)
[quote]
On 2013-12-01 08:24, Mark Southworth wrote:
I have made a sound proof sleave for the pump, which again makes this quiet, but in all fairness it's overkill unless you want a one on one in a quiet room ?
Most places I perform in have some kind of noise, talking, background music etc.
[/quote]
How did you make a sound proof sleeve? what materials did you use?
Message: Posted by: Mark Southworth (Dec 1, 2013 03:29PM)
I have emailed Sans Mind to see if this will harm the unit or not. so waiting a response.

I simply have used Pipe Insulation Foam & double sided taped the seem & cut to length & then slid over the unit & all is placed into the arm pocket. So when worn under clothes etc. It's very quiet.

You have to set the switch to your favourite position before covering with the sleeve etc.

You will also have to play with how tight to wrap the foam around before double sided tapping it closed as not to keep the trigger down constantly.

Again I just want to make sure with Sans Mind that this will not affect the unit.

Best Wishes

Mark
Message: Posted by: PatrickGregoire (Dec 1, 2013 09:29PM)
That's another thing I wish was different: you can't switch it on or off when you're wearing it, which means that you always have to be careful not to trigger it and that's nearly impossible.
Message: Posted by: Eddie Garland (Dec 1, 2013 11:42PM)
[quote]
On 2013-12-01 22:29, PatrickGregoire wrote:
That's another thing I wish was different: you can't switch it on or off when you're wearing it, which means that you always have to be careful not to trigger it and that's nearly impossible.
[/quote]

But you can set to remote only...
Message: Posted by: PatrickGregoire (Dec 2, 2013 06:44AM)
I've already mentioned that I don't like the remote when the smoke is used on my body. Using it as a toe switch is awkward and risky and triggering it with my hands leaves no time delay to then bring my hands together to produce smoke or even in a situation where I want to use it, both hands are occupied. I can't trigger it with my hands.
Message: Posted by: Stucky (Dec 2, 2013 08:05AM)
[quote]
On 2013-12-02 07:44, PatrickGregoire wrote:
I've already mentioned that I don't like the remote when the smoke is used on my body. Using it as a toe switch is awkward and risky and triggering it with my hands leaves no time delay to then bring my hands together to produce smoke or even in a situation where I want to use it, both hands are occupied. I can't trigger it with my hands.
[/quote]

Well then there is just no pleasing you :)
Message: Posted by: PatrickGregoire (Dec 2, 2013 12:23PM)
Yeah there is... Have a switch that is accessible while wearing the device and have a delay on the remote... These are features that would have made people happy, I'm not just nitpicking.
Message: Posted by: ash2arani (Dec 2, 2013 01:09PM)
I would have loved a delay in both the remote and the actual unit and I initially thought that it was designed that way. I feel a delay makes it easy for the performer to position themselves in a less suspicious way when the smoke appears.
Message: Posted by: Lseeyou (Dec 2, 2013 01:49PM)
Version 2 - the ultimate :)
Message: Posted by: PatrickGregoire (Dec 2, 2013 02:05PM)
Exactly!
Message: Posted by: cricketer15 (Dec 3, 2013 07:41AM)
Anyone else received this and has reviews? mine got push back -.-
Message: Posted by: Fire Starter (Dec 3, 2013 12:14PM)
After reading all the post's on this I was curious to try out a little experiment with things laying around the house and had to purchase a couple of thing's nearly £8.00 worth,ok I have no remote but some very good smoke and I need to visit an aquatic shop to possibly sort that?.I do not want to reveal to much on here but just playing about with a certain thing's very cheap at that,can work quite well.
Message: Posted by: Jordanogrady (Dec 3, 2013 01:25PM)
[quote]
On 2013-12-03 13:14, Fire Starter wrote:
After reading all the post's on this I was curious to try out a little experiment with things laying around the house and had to purchase a couple of thing's nearly £8.00 worth,ok I have no remote but some very good smoke and I need to visit an aquatic shop to possibly sort that?.I do not want to reveal to much on here but just playing about with a certain thing's very cheap at that,can work quite well.
[/quote]

Your probably going down the route of SSS but with a box at the end.
Message: Posted by: Zombie Magic (Dec 4, 2013 01:20PM)
The Wizard Product Review lads LOVE Vapr:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J4CMqHRQ43A&feature=youtu.be&t=2m41s
Message: Posted by: magicinsight (Dec 4, 2013 04:20PM)
Besides using it for pranks around the house, has anyone actualy used this for any close-up routines? If so, kindly tell us your experience and your audience's reactions.

Thank you.
Michael
Message: Posted by: PendletonThe3rd (Dec 4, 2013 09:06PM)
Woo hoo...just got a notice from penguin that mine is finally shipping out!

Now the bummer part is, its supposed to be a xmas present from my wife so I will have to wait til I can go all Smokey the Bear on everyone. On the upside, I guess I wont mind as much when my son wakes me up on xmas morning at 4am running to the tree...ill be right there with him!
Message: Posted by: Danny Kazam (Dec 5, 2013 12:15AM)
[quote]
On 2013-12-03 13:14, Fire Starter wrote:
After reading all the post's on this I was curious to try out a little experiment with things laying around the house and had to purchase a couple of thing's nearly £8.00 worth,ok I have no remote but some very good smoke and I need to visit an aquatic shop to possibly sort that?.I do not want to reveal to much on here but just playing about with a certain thing's very cheap at that,can work quite well.
[/quote]

Such as an e-cigarette? Instead of puffing from one end, blow in the other end? I bought an e-cigarette kit that came with 2 small skinny units with usb charger for only $35. You can reuse the cartridge that comes with it by refilling it with vapour juice. Add a tube to the end of the e-cigarette, and a small pump and you have yourself a great gadget without the noise or problems. It works better than anything else. Plus with two of them for $35, you can customize them with a cheap air motor with remote off the internet for $10-$20.
Message: Posted by: Xiqual (Dec 5, 2013 12:37AM)
Only problem is those e cigs are of very different qualities. The atomizer burns out quickly.
I think using a bulb to suck the smoke will last longer.
James

[quote]
On 2013-12-05 01:15, Danny Kazam wrote:
[quote]
On 2013-12-03 13:14, Fire Starter wrote:
After reading all the post's on this I was curious to try out a little experiment with things laying around the house and had to purchase a couple of thing's nearly £8.00 worth,ok I have no remote but some very good smoke and I need to visit an aquatic shop to possibly sort that?.I do not want to reveal to much on here but just playing about with a certain thing's very cheap at that,can work quite well.
[/quote]

Such as an e-cigarette? Instead of puffing from one end, blow in the other end? I bought an e-cigarette kit that came with 2 small skinny units with usb charger for only $35. You can reuse the cartridge that comes with it by refilling it with vapour juice. Add a tube to the end of the e-cigarette, and a small pump and you have yourself a great gadget without the noise or problems. It works better than anything else. Plus with two of them for $35, you can customize them with a cheap air motor with remote off the internet for $10-$20.



[/quote]
Message: Posted by: Stucky (Dec 5, 2013 03:23AM)
And we're back around to SSS again...
Message: Posted by: tomsk192 (Dec 5, 2013 05:31AM)
[quote]
On 2013-12-05 04:23, Stucky wrote:
And we're back around to SSS again...
[/quote]

Pretty much, Stucky ;)
Message: Posted by: JamieD (Dec 5, 2013 08:26AM)
Recieved this this morning and it was AWESOME, for the 30 minutes I could use it for. Sadly the charge cable that came with it does not work. If this has happened to anyone else, Has anyone got any solutions for this?

Jamie Daws
Message: Posted by: Danny Kazam (Dec 5, 2013 09:02AM)
[quote]
On 2013-12-05 01:37, Xiqual wrote:
Only problem is those e cigs are of very different qualities. The atomizer burns out quickly.
I think using a bulb to suck the smoke will last longer.
James

[quote]
On 2013-12-05 01:15, Danny Kazam wrote:
[quote]
On 2013-12-03 13:14, Fire Starter wrote:
After reading all the post's on this I was curious to try out a little experiment with things laying around the house and had to purchase a couple of thing's nearly £8.00 worth,ok I have no remote but some very good smoke and I need to visit an aquatic shop to possibly sort that?.I do not want to reveal to much on here but just playing about with a certain thing's very cheap at that,can work quite well.
[/quote]

Such as an e-cigarette? Instead of puffing from one end, blow in the other end? I bought an e-cigarette kit that came with 2 small skinny units with usb charger for only $35. You can reuse the cartridge that comes with it by refilling it with vapour juice. Add a tube to the end of the e-cigarette, and a small pump and you have yourself a great gadget without the noise or problems. It works better than anything else. Plus with two of them for $35, you can customize them with a cheap air motor with remote off the internet for $10-$20.



[/quote]
[/quote]

You maybe right. Not sure yet on it's longevity. I have been playing with mine constantly for a few weeks now and it hasn't burned out. The brand I am using is called "Jet".

What is SSS?
Message: Posted by: max88 (Dec 5, 2013 09:34AM)
[quote]
On 2013-12-05 09:26, JamieD wrote:
Recieved this this morning and it was AWESOME, for the 30 minutes I could use it for. Sadly the charge cable that came with it does not work. If this has happened to anyone else, Has anyone got any solutions for this?

Jamie Daws
[/quote]

how is the sound? Have you hide it in jacket and still can hear?
Message: Posted by: JCheng (Dec 5, 2013 09:51AM)
[quote]
On 2013-12-05 01:15, Danny Kazam wrote:
[quote]
On 2013-12-03 13:14, Fire Starter wrote:
After reading all the post's on this I was curious to try out a little experiment with things laying around the house and had to purchase a couple of thing's nearly £8.00 worth,ok I have no remote but some very good smoke and I need to visit an aquatic shop to possibly sort that?.I do not want to reveal to much on here but just playing about with a certain thing's very cheap at that,can work quite well.
[/quote]

Such as an e-cigarette? Instead of puffing from one end, blow in the other end? I bought an e-cigarette kit that came with 2 small skinny units with usb charger for only $35. You can reuse the cartridge that comes with it by refilling it with vapour juice. Add a tube to the end of the e-cigarette, and a small pump and you have yourself a great gadget without the noise or problems. It works better than anything else. Plus with two of them for $35, you can customize them with a cheap air motor with remote off the internet for $10-$20.
[/quote]
Where can I buy one of those "air motor with remote" that you mention?
Message: Posted by: elimagic (Dec 5, 2013 10:22AM)
I think this thread should be only about the product vapr. Not the cheapskate alternatives you are all suggesting. Please make a new thread for those
Message: Posted by: magicinsight (Dec 5, 2013 11:08AM)
Can Vapr be comfortably worn without interfering with movement while doing other coin/cards routines?
Do you leave it an inch or two below the wrist while perfroming other routines so it does not accidentally peek out and then re-adjust the position of the tube right before you would use produe the smoke or would you always leave the tube in teh same positiion throughout?

Thank you.
Michael
Message: Posted by: Alex DLF (Dec 5, 2013 11:57AM)
Received finally today !

Well, it's crazy :O The device is small, everything packs small plays big. The sound is there but under a jacket or better, a sweat shirt, you can't hear it. I will make a video soon (my gimmicks are charging right now ^^) about the noise.

Only downside is the dvd, they did not explain how to put new cartridges in it and I find it a little "quick", only 17 minutes. Anyway, everything else is explained.

When I'm wearing it, the smoke doesn't want to stay in my hand. I mean, it comes out of my sleeves before even going into my hand.. Any way to fix that ?
Message: Posted by: tomsk192 (Dec 5, 2013 12:38PM)
Thanks, Alex.
Message: Posted by: paisa23 (Dec 5, 2013 12:54PM)
Alex video please. In your most relaxed sweater or long sleeve shirt.. I never wear a jacket so that's my dilema
Message: Posted by: Alex DLF (Dec 5, 2013 01:06PM)
The video is uploading right now just for you guys !
Message: Posted by: Danny Kazam (Dec 5, 2013 01:17PM)
Alex, try adjusting both the unit and your hand. You might have to bend the wrist a bit with a small cusp in your palm to allow the vapour to get into your hand. Have the unit secured close enough to the begining of your hand without exposing it. Try having the gimmicked hand on the bottom with your other hand on top with your palm in a cusp. This helps concealing the unit better as well. Leave a gap for the vapour to get in between your palms. Hope that hepls.
Message: Posted by: Alex DLF (Dec 5, 2013 01:46PM)
Thanks Danny ! I put my gimmicked hand on top, so it was not as efficient :)

Here is the video : http://youtu.be/EF8nPTk_bNs. Hope you will find it usefull !
Message: Posted by: Zombie Magic (Dec 5, 2013 01:48PM)
[quote]
On 2013-12-05 14:46, Alex DLF wrote:
Thanks Danny ! I put my gimmicked hand on top, so it was not as efficient :)

Here is the video : http://youtu.be/EF8nPTk_bNs. Hope you will find it usefull !
[/quote]

Here it is:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EF8nPTk_bNs&feature=youtu.be

Alex, your English is PERFECT!
Message: Posted by: Alex DLF (Dec 5, 2013 01:53PM)
Thanks for the correct link Zombie ! :)
Message: Posted by: atouchofmagic1 (Dec 5, 2013 05:25PM)
Not that I think the noise would be an issue (I have pure smoke and never been caught) has anyone thought of using a soundproofing material to minimize vibration thus hindering the sound? Its just a thought then the device could be solely activated via the remote. I would assume it would work. However under normal conditions I cant see this being heard.


-Bobby
Message: Posted by: JamieD (Dec 5, 2013 06:16PM)
I received this today and had a chance to give it a whirl.

The product itself is well built. Very cleverly constructed and really is a thing is beauty. Its hard to appreciate from the videos and photos online just how small it really is. The arm bands are great quality and the extra cartridges are a nice touch. The smoke really is beautiful a thick. I tested it next to Pure Smoke to really see if there was a difference and there really is! The DVD, whilst brief, explains most things and even gives some tips on how to use the remote in different settings.

All in all, I would recommend the product highly!

However, 30 minutes after playing with it, the pre-charge that was in the unit upon its arrive ran out. No problem. I get out the charger and charge up the main unit. Then I screw in the atomiser and unfortunately, nothing happens. Sadly, my charge cable is busted and because of the reverse thread screw they have used, I don't believe I can use another charging cable from a different e-cig for example. This is annoying but of course, these things happen. Emailing Sans Minds, I wasn't very confident of the outcome. However, to their credit, they replied promptly and politely-ish.

Sadly, although the unit is new out of the box, its unusable and its totally not down to me, I will have to pay for the item to be sent over to the UK. This is a bit of a shame considering I've just spent a lot of money on a product that is un-usable not down to my own error. I will now have to also wait a fair time for the replacement to come in and also spend more on the item on top of what I had previously spent. Its a little bit disappointing. But I shall just have to grin and bare it!

Jamie Daws
Message: Posted by: max88 (Dec 5, 2013 08:58PM)
[quote]
On 2013-12-05 19:16, JamieD wrote:
I received this today and had a chance to give it a whirl.


However, 30 minutes after playing with it, the pre-charge that was in the unit upon its arrive ran out. No problem. I get out the charger and charge up the main unit. Then I screw in the atomiser and unfortunately, nothing happens. Sadly, my charge cable is busted and because of the reverse thread screw they have used, I don't believe I can use another charging cable from a different e-cig for example. This is annoying but of course, these things happen. Emailing Sans Minds, I wasn't very confident of the outcome. However, to their credit, they replied promptly and politely-ish.

Jamie Daws
[/quote]

If you in UK the Volatge is 240, the charger adapt comes is 110V only, if you use it then it will burn the unit. Is it the situation happen to you cause damage? Or my understanding is incorrect?
Message: Posted by: KyleMarlett (Dec 6, 2013 04:43AM)
[quote]
On 2013-12-05 19:16, JamieD wrote:
I received this today and had a chance to give it a whirl.

The product itself is well built. Very cleverly constructed and really is a thing is beauty. Its hard to appreciate from the videos and photos online just how small it really is. The arm bands are great quality and the extra cartridges are a nice touch. The smoke really is beautiful a thick. I tested it next to Pure Smoke to really see if there was a difference and there really is! The DVD, whilst brief, explains most things and even gives some tips on how to use the remote in different settings.

All in all, I would recommend the product highly!

However, 30 minutes after playing with it, the pre-charge that was in the unit upon its arrive ran out. No problem. I get out the charger and charge up the main unit. Then I screw in the atomiser and unfortunately, nothing happens. Sadly, my charge cable is busted and because of the reverse thread screw they have used, I don't believe I can use another charging cable from a different e-cig for example. This is annoying but of course, these things happen. Emailing Sans Minds, I wasn't very confident of the outcome. However, to their credit, they replied promptly and politely-ish.

Sadly, although the unit is new out of the box, its unusable and its totally not down to me, I will have to pay for the item to be sent over to the UK. This is a bit of a shame considering I've just spent a lot of money on a product that is un-usable not down to my own error. I will now have to also wait a fair time for the replacement to come in and also spend more on the item on top of what I had previously spent. Its a little bit disappointing. But I shall just have to grin and bare it!

Jamie Daws
[/quote]

Hey Jamie!


The voltage has to be in 110. Try to charge with the USB from a laptop. It's a pretty safe way to charge it.

Also, to test of it's issue with the cord, try to charge it with a cell phone cable and see if the unit lights up!

-Kyle
Message: Posted by: JamieD (Dec 6, 2013 05:29AM)
Hey guys,

We did indeed charge it with a lap top and not a normal charger. Half of the charging unit was working and half was not.

Thanks for your reply Kyle. What do you mean, try to charge it with a cell phone cable?

Jamie Daws
Message: Posted by: corindaman (Dec 6, 2013 06:09AM)
Just from a person who has not bought this unit and probably won't buy one, there does seem to be a lot of issues/problems with this effect. If you bought this from a high street shop and had all these problems, having paid a lot of money for it, would you be satisfied? I expect you would be demanding your money back on the spot. It does seem the Magic community puts up with a much poorer service than you would expect for such a high price!!
Message: Posted by: atouchofmagic1 (Dec 6, 2013 06:10AM)
[quote]
On 2013-12-06 06:29, JamieD wrote:


Thanks for your reply Kyle. What do you mean, try to charge it with a cell phone cable?

Jamie Daws
[/quote]

I would assume he is takking about the cell phone micro usb charger. See if your cell charger will work. Just my guess
Message: Posted by: Bill Hegbli (Dec 6, 2013 06:14AM)
If that is true, that the charger only comes in 110 Volts, then charging with the computer would also have to much voltage for the charger, their computers also run at a 220 volts.

So my question would be, why are they supplying the wrong charger to foreign countries with higher voltage that would burn out the chargers. Is their a voltage selection switch on the charging unit?

Foreign country customers would have to obtain a voltage reducer unit to charge the unit.
Message: Posted by: max88 (Dec 6, 2013 06:15AM)
I guess he mean you change the cable to your phone cable if both ends match original cable.
Message: Posted by: max88 (Dec 6, 2013 06:19AM)
[quote]
On 2013-12-06 07:14, Bill Hegbli wrote:
If that is true, that the charger only comes in 110 Volts, then charging with the computer would also have to much voltage for the charger, their computers also run at a 220 volts.
So my question would be, why are they supplying the wrong charger to foreign countries with higher voltage that would burn out the chargers. Is their a voltage selection switch on the charging unit?
Foreign country customers would have to obtain a voltage reducer unit to charge the unit.
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you are wrong. it supply the adapter 110v means input to it is 110v that is why you can not its adapter to plug in 220v wall power to charge. But with computer you only use USB cable without that adpater connect to unit. So it shall no any problem.
Message: Posted by: professorwho (Dec 6, 2013 06:22AM)
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On 2013-12-06 07:14, Bill Hegbli wrote:
If that is true, that the charger only comes in 110 Volts, then charging with the computer would also have to much voltage for the charger, their computers also run at a 220 volts.

So my question would be, why are they supplying the wrong charger to foreign countries with higher voltage that would burn out the chargers. Is their a voltage selection switch on the charging unit?

Foreign country customers would have to obtain a voltage reducer unit to charge the unit.
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It's a USB charger, the voltage in the USB port should not change depending on mains voltage.
I'm guessing that the problem Jamie is having is in charging the battery attached to the atomiser rather than the box at the other end which appears to have a mini-USB plug for charging. Is that right?
Message: Posted by: JamieD (Dec 6, 2013 06:42AM)
Yes, the atomiser is the part that isn't charging. The other end is charging.

Corin, you are right. We do put up with poorer service. Had this been from a shop, I would have taken it back straight away and asked for a replacement.

Jamie Daws
Message: Posted by: Bill Hegbli (Dec 6, 2013 06:47AM)
Just watched the Craig Petty and Dave Penn product review and they do not mention anything regarding problems or concerns to charge this device. David did mention that the switches were confusing at 1st to get it operational.

Well, who knows why it is not taking a charge of is not operating as it should. Sounds like they will fix it, if JamieD returns it, which means they are standing behind their product.

Sorry, if JamieD feels that he must pay the postage to return is unfair, but I guess on such high priced items, this policy was not addressed by JamieD or the place he purchased it from.

The manufacturer does have to see the unit to know what is wrong with it, to fix it. I would imagine that just blindly sending out a replacement would not be in the best interest of the manufacturer.

This is one thing that is wrong with Internet purchasing. I just purchased a new computer motherboard, and it was defective and very dead out of the box, as they say. I returned the board 3 times before I received one that worked. I had to pay the postage to send it back each time. They at least paid the postage to send the replacements.
Message: Posted by: cricketer15 (Dec 6, 2013 06:49AM)
I think Australia uses 240, so should I just stick with the laptop/Desktop charging ? I intended to buy this off penguin but for a high price product that looking here has quite a number of defective units, I pre ordered of my local magic store, so they can deal with returning back to sansmind+shipping of they was an issue.
Message: Posted by: JamieD (Dec 6, 2013 06:55AM)
Bill Hegbli, I totally understand when something goes wrong with a product. It does happen and has recently happened to me. In-fact, I've been purchasing magic from the internet since the age of 16 from all over the world. Most of the time from individual creators who do not have the resources of a magic company. This is the first time I have been asked to pay something towards the replacement of a defective item. To their credit, as of yet, sans minds have not asked me to send the defective charger back to them.

Not to blow this out of proportion because it really isn't that big of a deal, just a bit of a bug bare. But Ive had defective books and DVDs that I've sent out to people all over the world at no cost to the customer. I think you'll find, the majority of creators who have the same issue, also take the cost as its not the customers fault. They have paid for a product. It doesn't work. Not only that, but now they have to wait for the replacement which would take god knows how long. Its an inconvenience to a customer who has put their faith and money in your product. Its such a small thing for a creator or company to do, but it makes all the difference to the customer.

It could mean the difference to them not only purchasing from you again, but also, recommending your products/ company to other people and in our business, word of mouth generates a lot of revenue!

Jamie Daws
Message: Posted by: smudgedj (Dec 6, 2013 07:27AM)
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On 2013-12-06 07:55, JamieD wrote:
Bill Hegbli, I totally understand when something goes wrong with a product. It does happen and has recently happened to me. In-fact, I've been purchasing magic from the internet since the age of 16 from all over the world. Most of the time from individual creators who do not have the resources of a magic company. This is the first time I have been asked to pay something towards the replacement of a defective item. To their credit, as of yet, sans minds have not asked me to send the defective charger back to them.

Not to blow this out of proportion because it really isn't that big of a deal, just a bit of a bug bare. But Ive had defective books and DVDs that I've sent out to people all over the world at no cost to the customer. I think you'll find, the majority of creators who have the same issue, also take the cost as its not the customers fault. They have paid for a product. It doesn't work. Not only that, but now they have to wait for the replacement which would take god knows how long. Its an inconvenience to a customer who has put their faith and money in your product. Its such a small thing for a creator or company to do, but it makes all the difference to the customer.

It could mean the difference to them not only purchasing from you again, but also, recommending your products/ company to other people and in our business, word of mouth generates a lot of revenue!

Jamie Daws
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They've supplied you with something that doesn't work and then they want you to pay for the postage to replace that item? You've already paid for the postage when you ordered the first time; not your problem that their QC is lacking. I'd get your money back.
Message: Posted by: 2012multimagic (Dec 6, 2013 10:12AM)
Oh jeeeeeeeze... I get mine tommorow ..... don't worry guys... you will get THE MOST HONEST review from me... ill post some videos of studio and "real live" performances of this "device"... any questions about it, ill be happy to answer too ;D
Message: Posted by: Bill Hegbli (Dec 6, 2013 10:36AM)
The motherboard issue with me was that the original web store would not exchange the defective motherboard, so I had to deal with the warranty and the manufacturer. So I actually doubled the price by trying to get a replacement that worked.

On another note, a Florida store sold me a hat and did not bother to say it was 3 times larger then normal hat sizes. They also did not pay for returns, so I thought the worst of both evils, keep the hat and throw away $130 or return the at for $30 postage. Yes, needless to say I will never do business with this store again, but I am still out $60 that went totally to postage and looking at something for 5 minutes.

Magic suppliers are not the only ones that do not want to absorb return or replacement costs in this inflationary marketplace.

JamieD, you are in the quandary, either pay the extra postage or have a piece of equipment that does not work. It is your decision, and only you know what you can live with. Good luck on your decision, it is a hard one to make from my experience.
Message: Posted by: Paul S Wingham (Dec 6, 2013 10:48AM)
If you live in the uk, buy it from a uk supplier. There are all sorts of laws that protect you. If you pay with a credit card or by paypal there is even better protection. There is a bit of law called the sale of goods act that means a product must be fit for purpose. As an example I bought a tv, it packed up after 18 months (after 1 year warranty) but due to this law it is felt a tv should be expected to last more than 18 months. I got 2/3 of money back.

I still think having to pay to sort out a problem with a product that costs over £100 is diabolical service. It astounds me that people tolerate it.
Message: Posted by: WizTom (Dec 6, 2013 12:24PM)
I just received an Email from "World Magic Shop". "VAPR" is back in stock and has been sent to me. But now I'm thinking about using "Vapr". How can I do it best? Should I try it out first and then recharge. And can I connect it to the USB port or not? Do I need a 110 volt adapter? I'm getting "VAPR" on Monday / Tuesday and am afraid to try it ... :-/
Message: Posted by: Zombie Magic (Dec 6, 2013 12:36PM)
[quote]
On 2013-12-06 11:12, 2012multimagic wrote:
Oh jeeeeeeeze... I get mine tommorow ..... don't worry guys... you will get THE MOST HONEST review from me... ill post some videos of studio and "real live" performances of this "device"... any questions about it, ill be happy to answer too ;D
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THANK YOU for taking the time to do that!
Message: Posted by: 2012multimagic (Dec 6, 2013 12:44PM)
[quote]
On 2013-12-06 13:36, Zombie Magic wrote:
[quote]
On 2013-12-06 11:12, 2012multimagic wrote:
Oh jeeeeeeeze... I get mine tommorow ..... don't worry guys... you will get THE MOST HONEST review from me... ill post some videos of studio and "real live" performances of this "device"... any questions about it, ill be happy to answer too ;D
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THANK YOU for taking the time to do that!

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No problem at all ! .. A pleasure ;)
Message: Posted by: Archey (Dec 6, 2013 05:24PM)
So is there anyone with it here from the UK who hasn't had grief with it? If so how are you charging it? I've got it coming and don't want to wreck it by charging it wrong.
Message: Posted by: 2012multimagic (Dec 7, 2013 01:44AM)
Well..today is the day !!!:O:O:O:O.... ill be letting you know ...
Message: Posted by: 2012multimagic (Dec 7, 2013 04:15AM)
..soooooo ... so far freaking excellent...

..works direct from box, minimum noise... going too fully charge unit(s) now, and ill be back to you guys with what I think .. any questions feel free too ask ;D

Marc ;D
Message: Posted by: 2012multimagic (Dec 7, 2013 04:20AM)
Hum..i did attach an image with my last post ?.. I canít see it ?? sorry new too this forum not sure if I did it correctly ;S
Message: Posted by: WizTom (Dec 7, 2013 04:29AM)
I live in Germany. Can I connect it to a USB port / PC with 240 volt or not? Do I need a 110 volt adapter? Works direct from the Box. Great. How long do I need to charge it? Any other things I have to take care of? Get mine on Tuesday... Congratulations to your new Magic Toy :)
Message: Posted by: The0mas (Dec 7, 2013 04:36AM)
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On 2013-12-07 05:20, 2012multimagic wrote:
Hum..i did attach an image with my last post ?.. I canít see it ?? sorry new too this forum not sure if I did it correctly ;S
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Can't see any image
Message: Posted by: JackMagic (Dec 7, 2013 06:59AM)
In all of Europe we run on 240w

So pluging in a 110w item without an adapter is a sure way to burn out the unit !

Any dealer worth his salt should warn you of this !

If they did not then under uk law you would be well entitled to a refund

I think this is why it is worth waiting for the much better alternative version due out any day
Message: Posted by: 2012multimagic (Dec 7, 2013 08:24AM)
Okay..so... everything charged perfectly of my MacBook Pro... the smoke is even thicker, whiter and lingers longer now everything has charged....this is just beautiful !!... maybe Iím lucky that (so far) no problems what so ever ?...

People that are having sleepless nights from the ďsoundĒ it makes ..jeeeeeze... don't !! lol... when activated in a normal everyday environment, gig ect.. not even you will hear the very minimal sound that it makes. !!....

I honestly canít rate this device high enough... I just hope in the next few days , I donít return with my tail between my legs and start on negatives ;S ....

For people in the UK that are worried about the voltage situation..just charge of you laptop/comp... like I said , it charged perfectly of my MacBook Pro , no over heating , no burn outs at all !...

I hope that my VAPR carrys on working like a dream , and for the small amount of people that are having issues, I hope you get them resolved ASAP..if you have any questions that I may be able to help you with ...please donít hesitate too contact me ;D

Marc :D
Message: Posted by: magicinsight (Dec 7, 2013 08:56AM)
[quote]
On 2013-12-07 09:24, 2012multimagic wrote:
Okay..so... everything charged perfectly of my MacBook Pro... the smoke is even thicker, whiter and lingers longer now everything has charged....this is just beautiful !!... maybe Iím lucky that (so far) no problems what so ever ?...

People that are having sleepless nights from the ďsoundĒ it makes ..jeeeeeze... don't !! lol... when activated in a normal everyday environment, gig ect.. not even you will hear the very minimal sound that it makes. !!....

I honestly canít rate this device high enough... I just hope in the next few days , I donít return with my tail between my legs and start on negatives ;S ....

For people in the UK that are worried about the voltage situation..just charge of you laptop/comp... like I said , it charged perfectly of my MacBook Pro , no over heating , no burn outs at all !...

I hope that my VAPR carrys on working like a dream , and for the small amount of people that are having issues, I hope you get them resolved ASAP..if you have any questions that I may be able to help you with ...please donít hesitate too contact me ;D

Marc :D
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I do not mean to rain on your parade, but it is interesting that you and a few others are so happy just because it actually got a full charge and worked at least for the meantime. It is like buying an expensive HD television, pluggin it in and when it turns on I call up all of my friends and family telling them I am so happy that my brand new $2,000.00 40 inch TV actually turned on, but have not watched any shows yet. I am glad that your Vapr is working (at least for now) and hope it continues to work but I think this shows that our expectations are so low when it comes to quality and functunality of this and other effects.

Michael
Message: Posted by: 2012multimagic (Dec 7, 2013 09:21AM)
[quote]
On 2013-12-07 09:56, magicinsight wrote:
[quote]
On 2013-12-07 09:24, 2012multimagic wrote:
Okay..so... everything charged perfectly of my MacBook Pro... the smoke is even thicker, whiter and lingers longer now everything has charged....this is just beautiful !!... maybe Iím lucky that (so far) no problems what so ever ?...

People that are having sleepless nights from the ďsoundĒ it makes ..jeeeeeze... don't !! lol... when activated in a normal everyday environment, gig ect.. not even you will hear the very minimal sound that it makes. !!....

I honestly canít rate this device high enough... I just hope in the next few days , I donít return with my tail between my legs and start on negatives ;S ....

For people in the UK that are worried about the voltage situation..just charge of you laptop/comp... like I said , it charged perfectly of my MacBook Pro , no over heating , no burn outs at all !...

I hope that my VAPR carrys on working like a dream , and for the small amount of people that are having issues, I hope you get them resolved ASAP..if you have any questions that I may be able to help you with ...please donít hesitate too contact me ;D

Marc :D
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I do not mean to rain on your parade, but it is interesting that you and a few others are so happy just because it actually got a full charge and worked at least for the meantime. It is like buying an expensive HD television, pluggin it in and when it turns on I call up all of my friends and family telling them I am so happy that my brand new $2,000.00 40 inch TV actually turned on, but have not watched any shows yet. I am glad that your Vapr is working (at least for now) and hope it continues to work but I think this shows that our expectations are so low when it comes to quality and functunality of this and other effects.

Michael
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Hi Michael,

Iím only telling people what my device is like and how its working , charging ect ...

A lot of peoples concerns were with the unit(s) either not holding charge or not charging at all... mine, (thankfully) is all good..

My expectation for this was actually high.. I never purchased other smoke devices ,as for them, my expectation was low (and I think was right in thinking that ??)...

So far all good... Iím actually taking it out into ďreal worldĒ ( I hate that phrase lol ) tonight.. so will let you know my feelings about it once Iíve actually worked with VAPR...my opinion may well change, but for now.. I genuinely canít say anything bad about it...

Marc :D
Message: Posted by: Bill Hegbli (Dec 7, 2013 10:00AM)
I have some more important questions that deal with the longevity of the device.

1. Can the rechargeable batteries be replaced? As most rechargeable batteries only last a year, if kept fully charged every month.

2. So can the devices use ordinary batteries?

3. Do you have to charge the remote and the motor device? or just one of the devices? As I see a mini USB port on both each in Craig and David's review.

I read twice that member upon receiving it immediately tried it out with the small charge left in by the manufacturer. It is my understanding that modern rechargeable batteries should not be left to drain near out or completely out, as this will make the battery unusable. All my rechargeable batteries say to keep fully changed, because if you let I only half charge, then the memory chip in them will then be changed to that point of a half charge.

I just dislike rechargeable batteries as they always drain so fast. Even when not in use, I have to keep them charged every month, just one more task to do every month while be stored.

Is any of these concerns addressed in the instructions?
Message: Posted by: magicinsight (Dec 7, 2013 10:23AM)
Marc,

I certainly hope that you will get many years of good use of Vapr and look forward to reading your opinion after you have tried it out in front of spectators.

Michael
Message: Posted by: smudgedj (Dec 7, 2013 11:09AM)
[quote]
On 2013-12-07 05:29, WizTom wrote:
I live in Germany. Can I connect it to a USB port / PC with 240 volt or not? Do I need a 110 volt adapter? Works direct from the Box. Great. How long do I need to charge it? Any other things I have to take care of? Get mine on Tuesday... Congratulations to your new Magic Toy :)
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Yes of course you can connect. All USB ports work on the same voltage.
Message: Posted by: Mark8infiniti (Dec 7, 2013 05:09PM)
OKAY, I AM BACK, WITH WHAT I CONSIDER A VERY IMPORTANT INPUT TO THE WORLD OF VAPR...

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Got my replacement product from Magic Shop and, it works great again out of the box, though I am terrified of charging it... Well, I did test it through the laptop which worked fine, but I will NOT use the plug wall charger again, if, that is what did cause damage last time. If so, I cannot believe this product has been put out as it is. I really wonder what the returns rate has been?? What I do find kinda weird, is, this one seems quieter than the last.... but could just be my imagination.

So, working, finally, I had a chance to test this properly today, and, I have have brand new opinions on the device.

I stick by what I said in my original review - the device is super slick and really is a thing of beauty. The size, ergonomics, design... all a pleasure to use, making it the neatest smoke device out there. But is it the best?

...No.

No it actually isn't. It's the best in terms of design, aesthetics, and yes, the idea of the remote control is nice... BUT THE HONEST TRUTH IS, VAPR, is still, not as good as Magic Smoke V2 by illusioncraft.

Today I did a DIRECT comparison. MAGIC SMOKE IS STILL a better performer. Firstly, though Vapr smoke is whiter and fluffier, it DOES NOT produce as much smoke PUFF FOR PUFF as Magic Smoke. Nowhere near. In fact, I will go as far as saying MS produces almost twice as much smoke. Why? The pump. Put simply, the pump with Vapr is weak. The wire is thin and with one press of the button you only get a small amount of air flowing through. NOW, I KNOW WHAT YOU'RE gonna say - why not hold down the button for longer and you get as much smoke as you like? YES, THIS IS INDEED TRUE, but, Magic Smoke V2 is still better for producing smoke. Why? It all goes back to the pump - with vapr, the pump is just so weak, the smoke barely reaches the end of your hand,,,, in fact, it dissipates, goes back on itself, before it even reaches your palm. With Magic smoke, the pump is REAL AIR, you get a lovely big big puff of air which pushes the smoke of of your hand - therefore it looks more impressive. Instead of a white trickle, you get a big stream bursting out.

Magic Smoke V2 is still the best. I am sure of it. In fact, I think I will carry on using this, over Vapr. I just cannot justify using vapr, no matter how sleek it is, if the smoke is not as powerful as MS.

I really wish I never bought Vapr. Not because it isn;t a good product, but because I already had one that does the job, better. I ONLY bought it because I couldn't get some replacement parts for MS to sustain it.... yet after I bought Vapr I managed to get them. AHHHH.. D A M N.

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Now, moving on, lets talk about the remote control. Honestly, I just cannot, really, see the point of this? The only value in the remote is to trigger the device when it is NOT ON YOUR BODY, but, can someone PLEASE give me a reason for this, other than playing pranks? The device is too big to fit in a coffee cup, deck of cards, wallet etc..... other than a big stage act, I just cannot find a use for remote triggering? It's just too big to be used like this... even the coffee cup demo on the trailer is deliberately cut off not to show the positioning of the DEVICE, not in the cup obviously...

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So there you go. My final review from someone who bought into the hype, loved the device out of the box, had a faulty device, had the pain of sending it back, and now finally had the chance to test it out properly.

CONCLUSION:

Vapr is the most high tech smoke device out there, and, is actually a lovely smoke product. But honestly... stick with Magic Smoke V2, especially if Illusioncraft bring the price down, which I think they are going to.... If you don;t have a smoke device, then maybe VAPR is worth the investment.

Good luck all.
Message: Posted by: Zombie Magic (Dec 7, 2013 05:18PM)
I don't have any of the smoke devices, but based on the recent videos featuring Vapr, I'm inclined to go with that one.
Message: Posted by: PatrickGregoire (Dec 7, 2013 05:23PM)
So the first time I charged my unit was when I took it out of the box, worked wonderfully. Since then, the atomizer end has been very hit and miss as far as getting it to light up and recharge. Today, I unscrewed it from the charger but instead of it coming out, the copper screw remained stuck in the charger and it unscrewed itself from the atomizer and thus some wiring is detached from the atomizer. I am unable to remove the copper screw from the charger and even if I could the wiring is detached so my unit is now bust... I will contact Hocus-Pocus but I am not happy with the way things have turned out with this...
Message: Posted by: Zombie Magic (Dec 7, 2013 05:33PM)
This thing sounds like the healthcare.gov website: works great for some, but not for everyone.

Maybe shops should set them up, so that they work perfect out of the box?
Message: Posted by: Mark8infiniti (Dec 7, 2013 06:06PM)
Guys what happens if / when this stops working again? How many times can we get it replaced? How many times will the dealer we bought this off replace it for us if it stops working again straight away??
Message: Posted by: tomsk192 (Dec 7, 2013 06:07PM)
Zombie-

Or the manufacturers? It's not rocket science.
Message: Posted by: Mark8infiniti (Dec 7, 2013 06:09PM)
The thing is... They DO work perfectly out of the box! It's after you've charged them that's the problem!
Message: Posted by: tomsk192 (Dec 7, 2013 06:30PM)
Ha! :-S
Message: Posted by: Lou Hilario (Dec 7, 2013 06:31PM)
If you all want a thicker cloud of smoke, try Sylvester the Jester's "POCKET VOLCANO". Here is a video of my 5 year old son performing it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mySfskxbQcg
Message: Posted by: PatrickGregoire (Dec 7, 2013 11:45PM)
Lou: On the thread for that product, they say it's too bulky to hide in your sleeve but the video you shared seems like he had it up his sleeve. Can you have it up your sleeve?
Message: Posted by: Danny Kazam (Dec 8, 2013 01:58AM)
Magic Smoke will always be the best one on the market. It's all about keeping things simple, and that's what Magic Smoke V2 is...simple. it cuts through all the stupid electronics that causes all the problems, it makes no audio noise, and it's completely reliable.

Do you see any thread about Magic Smoke V2 with a bunch of people complaining about it? No, you don't. That's because the friggin thing works. It works because it isn't designed with cheap electrical air pumps with cheap remotes for it, by people who don't know enough about what they are doing. Sorry, but that's the truth. After having my Magic Smoke V2 I have had no problems with it. Even if and when the unit breaks down, I can either easily fix it, or replace it for cheap.

I don't know why many keep buying the ones that have cheap motorized air pumps. It baffles my mind. I even made a couple of my own, and they work great.
Message: Posted by: 2012multimagic (Dec 8, 2013 01:58AM)
[quote]
On 2013-12-07 19:09, magicmarkworldwide2 wrote:
The thing is... They DO work perfectly out of the box! It's after you've charged them that's the problem!
[/quote]

charged mine twice now... USB from my mac.. and all perfect....
Message: Posted by: 2012multimagic (Dec 8, 2013 02:06AM)
Hey guys... so quick update...

I re-charged everything just before I went out performing last night..and well again ďso farĒ everything has worked perfect...

really good thick white smoke. I was using the same cartridge for around 4 hours.. and still this morning gives a good amount of smoke from just the 3 sec burst.

Noise...what noise lol... I was in a pretty normal ďgiggingĒ situation , and then again in a quiet bar after ..and noise really isnít an issues at all...

Now regarding the charging of the unit(s).. in the UK we have 3 pin plug sockets.. the VAPR comes with a 2 pin, so an adapter would be needed... but... why charge from the mains anyway??..just plug it into your laptop and within 20mins its all fully charged...

AGAIN.. maybe Iím a lucky one that has got a ďperfect working unitĒ.. I really canít fault anything about my VAPR...
Message: Posted by: 2012multimagic (Dec 8, 2013 02:09AM)
[quote]
On 2013-12-07 18:23, PatrickGregoire wrote:
So the first time I charged my unit was when I took it out of the box, worked wonderfully. Since then, the atomizer end has been very hit and miss as far as getting it to light up and recharge. Today, I unscrewed it from the charger but instead of it coming out, the copper screw remained stuck in the charger and it unscrewed itself from the atomizer and thus some wiring is detached from the atomizer. I am unable to remove the copper screw from the charger and even if I could the wiring is detached so my unit is now bust... I will contact Hocus-Pocus but I am not happy with the way things have turned out with this...
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When you unscrewed the charger from the atomiser did you screw it clockwise?.. Iím sure you did, just it nearly caught me out that the threads are back too front !.. so when you tighten it needs to turn anti-clockwise.. when un-screw.. clockwise ect...
Message: Posted by: Paul S Wingham (Dec 8, 2013 02:20AM)
[quote]
On 2013-12-08 02:58, Danny Kazam wrote:
Magic Smoke will always be the best one on the market. It's all about keeping things simple, and that's what Magic Smoke V2 is...simple. it cuts through all the stupid electronics that causes all the problems, it makes no audio noise, and it's completely reliable.

Do you see any thread about Magic Smoke V2 with a bunch of people complaining about it? No, you don't. That's because the friggin thing works. It works because it isn't designed with cheap electrical air pumps with cheap remotes for it, by people who don't know enough about what they are doing. Sorry, but that's the truth. After having my Magic Smoke V2 I have had no problems with it. Even if and when the unit breaks down, I can either easily fix it, or replace it for cheap.

I don't know why many keep buying the ones that have cheap motorized air pumps. It baffles my mind. I even made a couple of my own, and they work great.
[/quote]

But magic smoke v2 isn't the latest thing is it? ;)
Message: Posted by: PRINCE (Dec 8, 2013 06:36AM)
Exactly, plus if we are going to be picky, then PS and Vapr is in fact more versitle the MS v2 (as far as choosing to have longer blast of smoke if required). Going on again that vapr is even more versitle again (e.g the remote, continuous smoke.

Im glad your unit 2012multimagic is working well and continuing. Thank you also for taking the time to inform us with all your progress and updates - much appreciated.
Message: Posted by: Paul S Wingham (Dec 8, 2013 08:36AM)
It sounds to me that if you want a constant stream of smoke (not sure why you would) but if you do and you need to control remotely, and you are happy to gamble it'll work, vapr is the one. If you are going to make stuff vanish in a puff of smoke it sounds like magic smoke v2 is better? Is that a fair summary to those with both? I ask as I was going to get vapr but I don't need a remote or constant smoke so am now leaning to msv2
Message: Posted by: 2012multimagic (Dec 8, 2013 09:09AM)
[quote]
On 2013-12-08 07:36, PRINCE wrote:
Exactly, plus if we are going to be picky, then PS and Vapr is in fact more versitle the MS v2 (as far as choosing to have longer blast of smoke if required). Going on again that vapr is even more versitle again (e.g the remote, continuous smoke.

Im glad your unit 2012multimagic is working well and continuing. Thank you also for taking the time to inform us with all your progress and updates - much appreciated.



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No problem at all !!..

I think its good too let people know if an effect is working as well as all the negatives.. to be fair if you weigh up all the VAPRís that are out their, and read all the negatives,dysfunctional units on here, it isnít actually that many that have a fault !... people are eager too jump on here and give all the bad stuff ect, more people should give the positive feed back too ;D...

best

Marc :D
Message: Posted by: emyers99 (Dec 8, 2013 09:46AM)
Wow. What a lovely unbiased post
Message: Posted by: Flyswatter (Dec 8, 2013 09:55AM)
[quote]
On 2013-12-08 10:51, magicmarkworldwide2 wrote:
TOTALLY UNBIASED. I own both devices, have NO REASON to favour any over the other. In fact, Illusioncraft really let me down on their customer service.

This is the truth guys. Like it, or, smoke it.

HOW DO I POST A PHOTO? I want to attach some evidence~? Can someone tell me? When I attach, it doesn't show? THANKS!!! YOU WANT TO SEE THIS!
[/quote]

Try imageshack.us, and then link the forum friendly link here.
Message: Posted by: simon hughes (Dec 8, 2013 09:56AM)
So I'm guessing he is a bit unhinged so here is my opinion. I have owned 2 Pure Smokes, of course they have both been given away as they are useless. Then I bought Magic Smoke V2 which is good but the smoke is whispy and the bulb is large and cumbersome. I made it work for a year but didn't ever feel comfortable with it, it's like playing the silent bagpipes for 2 hours.

And this week I got VAPR and I love it. Superb build quality, small and comfortable to wear. Everything the others should be.

Buy VAPR.
Message: Posted by: Mark8infiniti (Dec 8, 2013 09:59AM)
[url=http://imageshack.com/i/muo2onj][img]http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/150x100q90/c/822/o2on.jpg[/img][/url]
Message: Posted by: Mark8infiniti (Dec 8, 2013 10:00AM)
Simon, your review was spot on, but you didn't mention the important bit - the actual output. Durh.
Message: Posted by: Mark8infiniti (Dec 8, 2013 10:03AM)
http://imageshack.com/a/img822/6285/o2on.jpg
Message: Posted by: Flyswatter (Dec 8, 2013 10:03AM)
[quote]
On 2013-12-08 11:00, magicmarkworldwide2 wrote:
Simon, your review was spot on, but you didn't mention the important bit - the actual output. Durh.
[/quote]
Your drawing could be spot on. But it's MS paint.
Message: Posted by: Mark8infiniti (Dec 8, 2013 10:09AM)
I could post a video if you guys really want to show the comparison? Deal?

I just wanted to show a very quick, no thrills depiction of what you get from each. Don't get defensive over Vapr guys. I am not the enemy. I am here to give buyers an unbiased opinion to help their purchasing decision.

Read my previous review a few pages ago. I really talk about how I appreciate the sleekness and technology of Vapr, and, how it is the most high tech device out there. But the power and performance is inferior.

Just trying to help guys.

I think I've given enough input to this product now. I'll move on.

Good luck.
Message: Posted by: 2012multimagic (Dec 8, 2013 10:09AM)
[quote]
On 2013-12-08 10:42, magicmarkworldwide2 wrote:
The more I play with Vapr - the more pathetic this device is. MAGIC SMOKE V2 absolutely destroys it.

The amount of smoke you get with Vapr is INCOMPARIBLE to the amount with MSV2.

Have you noticed that the smoke comes out, disperses and travels backwards? It's poor. Not enough power on the pump - END OF.

I spent a lot of money on VAPR but just CANNOT find a use for it. Even using the remote, I just CANNOT find a use for it. Where would I ever, ever want to operate this remotely? Where can I ever place the device away from my body, other than playing a prank? The device is too big, the cartridges are too long to secretly hide the device anywhere purposeful. Can;'t go in a can of coke, or deck of cards, or anywhere really. Just your top pocket... which is completely pointless.

Man, I hate this thing. It's just so so inferior next to MSV2.

It's as weak as SHI...... Anyone who stands by this thing has never used MSV2 - simple as that.

Don't waste your money on Vapr... go for the best device on the market instead.

Man, I finally got this working, and I'm so sick of it. Sick of the hype, sick of the name, sick of myself for buying it.

F U SANS MINDS. F ALL U VAPR LOVERS OUT THERE.


[/quote]

no need to get personal !! ...

its unfortunate that your device ant working too the standard you wish..

For me , personally its great.. does the job , works well...

MW
Message: Posted by: 2012multimagic (Dec 8, 2013 10:12AM)
And just too say .. that ďpictureĒ that magicmarkworldwide2 posted , IMO & compared to my VAPR device is very inaccurate.... VAPR gives out just as much, maybe more than the other device mentioned.

Maybe you just have a faulty unit magicmarkworldwide2 ?.. maybe a video of your vapr could be good?..im more than will to post pictures and videos of my VAPR working , so that people can see an honest view on the smoke output .. just let me know :D
Message: Posted by: Mark8infiniti (Dec 8, 2013 10:13AM)
I was only being light hearted....
Message: Posted by: 2012multimagic (Dec 8, 2013 10:14AM)
Its a shame when people come on here and attempt to review an effect, gimmick ect ...

.. when they probably havenít even got the effect/gimmick in the first place.. :S:S:S....

very strange...

anyways... lol..

;D
Message: Posted by: Mark8infiniti (Dec 8, 2013 10:17AM)
??? I have both ????
Message: Posted by: 2012multimagic (Dec 8, 2013 10:17AM)
Well this was what I was originally going too post before I replied to other posts lol...

...been out performing VAPR this afternoon..with same charge from last night.. same cartridge as last night.. and STILL all good.. great thick white smoke.. awesome output...

I still cant fault it... amazing product.. worth every penny...

Mw :D
Message: Posted by: 2012multimagic (Dec 8, 2013 10:18AM)
[quote]
On 2013-12-08 11:17, magicmarkworldwide2 wrote:
??? I have both ????
[/quote]

sorry I didnít mention you name... any names intact :S.. ?!... wasnít aimed at anyone in particular ;?
Message: Posted by: Mark8infiniti (Dec 8, 2013 10:19AM)
AND ABSOLUTELY NO WAY does vapr give out as much!!
Message: Posted by: 2012multimagic (Dec 8, 2013 10:21AM)
[quote]
On 2013-12-08 11:19, magicmarkworldwide2 wrote:
AND ABSOLUTELY NO WAY does vapr give out as much!!
[/quote]

YOURS maybe not... MINE defiantly does....anyway..
Message: Posted by: Mark8infiniti (Dec 8, 2013 10:22AM)
You obviously aren't using MSV2 correctly. Nevermind....
Message: Posted by: 2012multimagic (Dec 8, 2013 10:26AM)
[quote]
On 2013-12-08 11:22, magicmarkworldwide2 wrote:
You obviously aren't using MSV2 correctly. Nevermind....
[/quote]

please... anyway... not on here to try ands defend effects , and certainly not my HONEST opinions !!...

why donít you just stop using your VAPR..even better chuck it in the bin if you actually have one .. and like you said ďmove onĒ..but thanks for your opinion and output...

:D
Message: Posted by: Alex DLF (Dec 8, 2013 10:27AM)
My Vapr is awesome and the smoke that comes out is really thick and cool. Haven't charged it and it still goes well !
Message: Posted by: 2012multimagic (Dec 8, 2013 10:27AM)
Like I said if anyone wants too see a video of vaprís output so that you can actually see it rather than take peoples word for it .. let me know :D

MW :D...
Message: Posted by: 2012multimagic (Dec 8, 2013 10:28AM)
[quote]
On 2013-12-08 11:27, Alex DLF wrote:
My Vapr is awesome and the smoke that comes out is really thick and cool. Haven't charged it and it still goes well !
[/quote]

Mine too !!!... :D its awesome... but then we actually have VAPR and use it .. ;D ... :P...

best

MW
Message: Posted by: 2012multimagic (Dec 8, 2013 10:33AM)
[quote]
On 2013-12-08 10:56, simon hughes wrote:
So I'm guessing he is a bit unhinged so here is my opinion. I have owned 2 Pure Smokes, of course they have both been given away as they are useless. Then I bought Magic Smoke V2 which is good but the smoke is whispy and the bulb is large and cumbersome. I made it work for a year but didn't ever feel comfortable with it, it's like playing the silent bagpipes for 2 hours.

And this week I got VAPR and I love it. Superb build quality, small and comfortable to wear. Everything the others should be.

Buy VAPR.
[/quote]

totaly agree !!... :P
Message: Posted by: 2012multimagic (Dec 8, 2013 10:35AM)
Just too add... I love how magicmarkworldwide2 only posted a picture that was drawn ?!?!.. why didnít he actually show a REAL picture of the comparison.. :P...hum :P....
Message: Posted by: 2012multimagic (Dec 8, 2013 11:22AM)
[quote]
On 2013-12-08 12:18, doriancaudal wrote:
Received it, opened it, watched the DVD entirely. When I press the main unit, it vibrates, but no smoke come out... What should I do ?
[/quote]

the atomiser may need charging.. charge everything 100% , is the cartridge on at the moment kinda grey/blue colour?...if it is put new cartridge in then try again... :D

let me know how you get on..

MW :D
Message: Posted by: PatrickGregoire (Dec 8, 2013 11:30AM)
The first time I tried to connect the atomizer to the charger, I tried screwing it in the wrong way because they don't teach you how to screw it in! It simply didn't work though, it can't go wrong, it just doesn't go in. I quickly realized you have to twist it the opposite way as normal. Since I've known that from the first time, I haven't been screwing it the wrong way thus that was not the problem.

I have had some Pure smokes: They were great but they always, always stopped working after a short period of time. Now that I have Vapr, I do miss the fact that Pure smoke had a battery pack with an on/off switch that was easily accessible so that I could turn it on only when I needed it, like keep it off when driving and moving my props for a stage show and then turn it on just before so that I can then use it. Otherwise, it triggers accidentally sometimes. Another thing is that they made the pump so small for Vapr that it's difficult to know if you've actually triggered it or not! Pure Smoke had the perfect size pump and it didn't show on your arm so why change it? The size of the pump on Vapr isn't any better just because it's smaller... And the fact that Vapr is tucked under an armband makes it move around a bit after a while so you have to readjust, but you didn't have to with Pure Smoke because it was attached under your armpit with a chest strap.

Basically, all of the "improvements" of Vapr over Pure Smoke, for me, are somewhat set backs. The only two reasons I preferred Vapr to Pure Smoke, BEFORE MY VAPR BROKE, was that it was easy to set up and it actually kept working. Not anymore though...

Oh, and I have a Magic Smoke V2 and I've said this before: I think it sucks. The only two things it has going for it are that you can buy the refill liquid for cheap and it'll last you a long time and it's completely silent. The trade off for the silent operation is that you have to wear a bulb that is literally impossible for me to hide the bulge in my clothes and pretty darn impossible to use without anyone noticing that you're squeezing it with your arm. I do not understand why people love MSV2 so much...
Message: Posted by: 2012multimagic (Dec 8, 2013 11:37AM)
[quote]
On 2013-12-08 12:30, PatrickGregoire wrote:
The first time I tried to connect the atomizer to the charger, I tried screwing it in the wrong way because they don't teach you how to screw it in! It simply didn't work though, it can't go wrong, it just doesn't go in. I quickly realized you have to twist it the opposite way as normal. Since I've known that from the first time, I haven't been screwing it the wrong way thus that was not the problem.

I have had some Pure smokes: They were great but they always, always stopped working after a short period of time. Now that I have Vapr, I do miss the fact that Pure smoke had a battery pack with an on/off switch that was easily accessible so that I could turn it on only when I needed it, like keep it off when driving and moving my props for a stage show and then turn it on just before so that I can then use it. Otherwise, it triggers accidentally sometimes. Another thing is that they made the pump so small for Vapr that it's difficult to know if you've actually triggered it or not! Pure Smoke had the perfect size pump and it didn't show on your arm so why change it? The size of the pump on Vapr isn't any better just because it's smaller... And the fact that Vapr is tucked under an armband makes it move around a bit after a while so you have to readjust, but you didn't have to with Pure Smoke because it was attached under your armpit with a chest strap.

Basically, all of the "improvements" of Vapr over Pure Smoke, for me, are somewhat set backs. The only two reasons I preferred Vapr to Pure Smoke, BEFORE MY VAPR BROKE, was that it was easy to set up and it actually kept working. Not anymore though...
[/quote]

patrick Iím genuinely gutted for you,

maybe you did damage the charger or atomiser when you attempted to screw it in, will does say on the Dvd that you have too screw in everything anti-clockwise...

so what is the main issue.. is it that NOTHING charges at all ?.. or is it that there is 0 smoke output ?

MW :D
Message: Posted by: Alex DLF (Dec 8, 2013 11:48AM)
[quote]
On 2013-12-08 12:30, PatrickGregoire wrote:
The first time I tried to connect the atomizer to the charger, I tried screwing it in the wrong way because they don't teach you how to screw it in! It simply didn't work though, it can't go wrong, it just doesn't go in. I quickly realized you have to twist it the opposite way as normal. Since I've known that from the first time, I haven't been screwing it the wrong way thus that was not the problem.
[/quote]

In fact, it is explained on the DVD how to screw the atomiser.. :)
Message: Posted by: 2012multimagic (Dec 8, 2013 11:50AM)
[quote]
On 2013-12-08 12:48, Alex DLF wrote:
[quote]
On 2013-12-08 12:30, PatrickGregoire wrote:
The first time I tried to connect the atomizer to the charger, I tried screwing it in the wrong way because they don't teach you how to screw it in! It simply didn't work though, it can't go wrong, it just doesn't go in. I quickly realized you have to twist it the opposite way as normal. Since I've known that from the first time, I haven't been screwing it the wrong way thus that was not the problem.
[/quote]

In fact, it is explained on the DVD how to screw the atomiser.. :)
[/quote]

yup if DEFIANTLY does.. Will makes quiet a big point of saying you must screw in opposite to normal... :D
Message: Posted by: Mark8infiniti (Dec 8, 2013 12:01PM)
My hand drawn picture is very, very accurate. It's still more useful to people than anything you've supplied multimagic. I could indeed post a video, but what good would that be? I'd surely only be accused of manipulating the device for it to produce less smoke than MSV2 wouldn't I? You'd only accuse me of using an empty battery or empty cartridge in comparison to the other, wouldn't you? I have a better idea, why don't you supply a video of you using Vapr, and I supply a video of me using MSV2... one pump, and let everyone see for themselves the vast difference in smoke quality?

If you prefer Vapr than fair enough. I personally don't, I believe my comparison is completely fair, and, I wanted to come on here to advise people / share my experiences - which is the idea of the Cafť.

It's up to the public to pick the device they want - just like I did - regrettably, I chose both.

Even if you are correct, that my VAPR is not up to the standard of yours, that it isn't working as well as it should - that means I have been supplied with 2 faulty products. Does that sound like a worthwhile investment to you? Is that something worth gambling on? Is that the market leader of smoke devices? I think not.
Message: Posted by: Mark8infiniti (Dec 8, 2013 12:02PM)
Okay guys, here is a video. It's the best I can do at the moment. Both units are fully charged / new cartridges. This is a comparison of ONE full press.

Vapr is the first one.... MSV2 is the second one.

http://videobam.com/GWVDM
Message: Posted by: Mark8infiniti (Dec 8, 2013 12:05PM)
Is it working?
Message: Posted by: Alex DLF (Dec 8, 2013 12:07PM)
You press the remote once, which is equal to 3 seconds of smoke.

You press the pump for way more than 3 seconds.. I didn't count but it was close to twice the time.

And my Vapr makes a lot more smoke than yours.. Maybe you have a faulty one.
Message: Posted by: 2012multimagic (Dec 8, 2013 12:08PM)
[quote]
On 2013-12-08 13:01, magicmarkworldwide2 wrote:
My hand drawn picture is very, very accurate. It's still more useful to people than anything you've supplied multimagic. I could indeed post a video, but what good would that be? I'd surely only be accused of manipulating the device for it to produce less smoke than MSV2 wouldn't I? You'd only accuse me of using an empty battery or empty cartridge in comparison to the other, wouldn't you? I have a better idea, why don't you supply a video of you using Vapr, and I supply a video of me using MSV2... one pump, and let everyone see for themselves the vast difference in smoke quality?

If you prefer Vapr than fair enough. I personally don't, I believe my comparison is completely fair, and, I wanted to come on here to advise people / share my experiences - which is the idea of the Cafť.

It's up to the public to pick the device they want - just like I did - regrettably, I chose both.


Even if you are correct, that my VAPR is not up to the standard of yours, that it isn't working as well as it should - that means I have been supplied with 2 faulty products. Does that sound like a worthwhile investment to you? Is that something worth gambling on? Is that the market leader of smoke devices? I think not.





[/quote]

I will certainly do that.. not a problem at all.. ... Iím gutted for you that you have a defective VAPR.. maybe you should be trying too get the situation sorted out.. ??... my investment of VAPR was excellent... a product that works well and gets insane reactions... gigs will pay for this 20 times over at least by xmas... so yes an investment Iím defiantly proud of.

If you have genuinely been supplied too faulty products , I would be getting a full refund and going to a different supplier...

Mw
Message: Posted by: 2012multimagic (Dec 8, 2013 12:10PM)
[quote]
On 2013-12-08 13:02, magicmarkworldwide2 wrote:
Okay guys, here is a video. It's the best I can do at the moment. Both units are fully charged / new cartridges. This is a comparison of ONE full press.

Vapr is the first one.... MSV2 is the second one.

http://videobam.com/GWVDM

[/quote]

unfortunately you defiantly have a defective unit....
Message: Posted by: doriancaudal (Dec 8, 2013 12:17PM)
[quote]
On 2013-12-08 12:22, 2012multimagic wrote:
[quote]
On 2013-12-08 12:18, doriancaudal wrote:
Received it, opened it, watched the DVD entirely. When I press the main unit, it vibrates, but no smoke come out... What should I do ?
[/quote]

the atomiser may need charging.. charge everything 100% , is the cartridge on at the moment kinda grey/blue colour?...if it is put new cartridge in then try again... :D

let me know how you get on..

MW :D
[/quote]

Thanks for your answer, everything works perfectly fine now. The only minor point is that the "remote only" function on the main unit (the one where the switch is on the right) does not work for me. I can get smoke only when the switch is in the middle position, but this is fine, because it works with or without the remote, when the switch is in this middle position.
Message: Posted by: 2012multimagic (Dec 8, 2013 12:18PM)
[quote]
On 2013-12-08 13:17, doriancaudal wrote:
[quote]
On 2013-12-08 12:22, 2012multimagic wrote:
[quote]
On 2013-12-08 12:18, doriancaudal wrote:
Received it, opened it, watched the DVD entirely. When I press the main unit, it vibrates, but no smoke come out... What should I do ?
[/quote]

the atomiser may need charging.. charge everything 100% , is the cartridge on at the moment kinda grey/blue colour?...if it is put new cartridge in then try again... :D

let me know how you get on..

MW :D
[/quote]

Thanks for your answer, everything works perfectly fine now. The only minor point is that the "remote only" function on the main unit (the one where the switch is on the right) does not work for me. I can get smoke only when the switch is in the middle position, but this is fine, because it works with or without the remote, when the switch is in this middle position.
[/quote]

When the switch is on the right does the main unit make a vibrating sound ?..
Message: Posted by: doriancaudal (Dec 8, 2013 12:19PM)
[quote]
On 2013-12-08 13:18, 2012multimagic wrote:
When the switch is on the right does the main unit make a vibrating sound ?..
[/quote]

No.
Message: Posted by: 2012multimagic (Dec 8, 2013 12:23PM)
[quote]
On 2013-12-08 13:19, doriancaudal wrote:
[quote]
On 2013-12-08 13:18, 2012multimagic wrote:
When the switch is on the right does the main unit make a vibrating sound ?..
[/quote]

No.
[/quote]

I donít mean too sound rude lol.. but this caught me out .. do you have the main unit upside down ? .... push the switch to the right ( towards the silicon pipe).. and try again :D.. stupid question.. but is the remote defiantly switched on and fully charged along with everything else ?
Message: Posted by: PatrickGregoire (Dec 8, 2013 12:25PM)
[quote]
On 2013-12-08 12:37, 2012multimagic wrote:

patrick Iím genuinely gutted for you,

maybe you did damage the charger or atomiser when you attempted to screw it in, will does say on the Dvd that you have too screw in everything anti-clockwise...

so what is the main issue.. is it that NOTHING charges at all ?.. or is it that there is 0 smoke output ?

MW :D

[/quote]

Oops, I guess I had missed that bit of info on the dvd. Doesn't really matter though since I never forced anything, I was very gentle. I simply unscrewed it because it was finished charging and the atomizer separated from the copper screw at its tip and that screw remained screwed into the charger, and I can't get it out.

The problem is not that no smoke comes out, it's that I can't get the copper screw out of the charger to put it on the atomizer so that I can pop on a cartridge! lol
Message: Posted by: Danny Kazam (Dec 8, 2013 12:26PM)
[quote]
On 2013-12-08 13:02, magicmarkworldwide2 wrote:
Okay guys, here is a video. It's the best I can do at the moment. Both units are fully charged / new cartridges. This is a comparison of ONE full press.

Vapr is the first one.... MSV2 is the second one.

http://videobam.com/GWVDM

[/quote]

No matter what you do they'll find something to say you rigged the comparison. Just let them have their's and we'll continue using ours. The bulb has never been an issue for me because I am creative enough to hook it up comfortably without triggering it.

For someone who found supposed solutions to the Gecko, you'd think he would of found an easy way to hook up MS v2.

There has been a huge bias towards MS v2 ever since Pure Smoke came out. Jason conned many, and even had his friends write fake reviews. MS v2 has been out longer than these, and the only issue very few have is the bulb. As far as one being able to continuously shoot out vapour, why would you want to over kill it? Really, continuous smoke coming from somewhere? Just get a mini fog machine.
Message: Posted by: 2012multimagic (Dec 8, 2013 12:28PM)
[quote]
On 2013-12-08 13:25, PatrickGregoire wrote:
[quote]
On 2013-12-08 12:37, 2012multimagic wrote:

patrick Iím genuinely gutted for you,

maybe you did damage the charger or atomiser when you attempted to screw it in, will does say on the Dvd that you have too screw in everything anti-clockwise...

so what is the main issue.. is it that NOTHING charges at all ?.. or is it that there is 0 smoke output ?

MW :D

[/quote]

Oops, I guess I had missed that bit of info on the dvd. Doesn't really matter though since I never forced anything, I was very gentle. I simply unscrewed it because it was finished charging and the atomizer separated from the copper screw at its tip and that screw remained screwed into the charger, and I can't get it out.

The problem is not that no smoke comes out, it's that I can't get the copper screw out of the charger to put it on the atomizer so that I can pop on a cartridge! lol
[/quote]

eeeeek ...sounds like you may have screwed it on wrong way , too tight..

...as the thread is in the opposite direction, it would take a little over screwing too damage the thread... :S..i hope you find a way of removing the copper piece that's stuck ..

Mw :D
Message: Posted by: doriancaudal (Dec 8, 2013 12:28PM)
[quote]
On 2013-12-08 13:23, 2012multimagic wrote:

I donít mean too sound rude lol.. but this caught me out .. do you have the main unit upside down ? .... push the switch to the right ( towards the silicon pipe).. and try again :D.. stupid question.. but is the remote defiantly switched on and fully charged along with everything else ?
[/quote]

Of course I checked that ;) And the remote is fully charged, because it works when the switch from the main unit is on the middle.
But apart from this minor issue, everything works fine.
Message: Posted by: Alex DLF (Dec 8, 2013 12:28PM)
I do agree that MSV2 is awesome too !

But I can't let magicmark saying that Vapr does not work. He simply have a wrong unit.
Message: Posted by: Paul S Wingham (Dec 8, 2013 12:40PM)
I'm more confused than ever now. No odea which one to get. Think I may just wait.
Message: Posted by: 2012multimagic (Dec 8, 2013 12:41PM)
[quote]
On 2013-12-08 13:40, Paul S Wingham wrote:
I'm more confused than ever now. No odea which one to get. Think I may just wait.
[/quote]

there both great !!.. IMO.. go with VAPR ... I genuinely canít fault it at all... :D

MW :D
Message: Posted by: Rabid (Dec 8, 2013 01:04PM)
[quote]
On 2013-12-08 13:26, Danny Kazam wrote:

Jason conned many, and even had his friends write fake reviews.

[/quote]

Errrr...I know I'm gonna regret this, but do you have proof of these claims Danny?

Jason is a good friend of mine and I can't let this slide as I know he's a stand-up guy.

Conned how? Please don't say you're referring to the coloured smoke debacle again?

And the fake reviews? From who, saying what?

Regards

Steph
Message: Posted by: Danny Kazam (Dec 8, 2013 01:07PM)
[quote]
On 2013-12-08 13:40, Paul S Wingham wrote:
I'm more confused than ever now. No odea which one to get. Think I may just wait.
[/quote]

Go with the unit than has less negative reviews. The one that has been tried and tested with time. The one that doesn't need no overhyped ads to sell it. The one that is easy to fix if anything should ever go wrong. The one that also supplies extra parts. And the one that gives you enough juice that lasts you a very long time. That's about as unbiased as I can be.
Message: Posted by: doriancaudal (Dec 8, 2013 01:26PM)
Update:

I managed to get the 3 functions of the switch on the main unit to work perfectly fine. I just did not "force" enough on the right side to activate this third function (remote only). All is working fine now, and hope it will continue to do so ;)
Message: Posted by: 2012multimagic (Dec 8, 2013 01:26PM)
[quote]
On 2013-12-08 14:07, Danny Kazam wrote:
[quote]
On 2013-12-08 13:40, Paul S Wingham wrote:
I'm more confused than ever now. No odea which one to get. Think I may just wait.
[/quote]

Go with the unit than has less negative reviews. The one that has been tried and tested with time. The one that doesn't need no overhyped ads to sell it. The one that is easy to fix if anything should ever go wrong. The one that also supplies extra parts. And the one that gives you enough juice that lasts you a very long time. That's about as unbiased as I can be.
[/quote]

totally agree.. !!.. go with VAPR !! :D
Message: Posted by: 2012multimagic (Dec 8, 2013 01:27PM)
[quote]
On 2013-12-08 14:26, doriancaudal wrote:
Update:

I managed to get the 3 functions of the switch on the main unit to work perfectly fine. I just did not "force" enough on the right side to activate this third function (remote only). All is working fine now, and hope it will continue to do so ;)
[/quote]

that's awesome news !!!... enjoy VAPR !!! :D
Message: Posted by: 2012multimagic (Dec 8, 2013 01:29PM)
Errrrr nope.. I don't ďwork forĒ nor have ANY connection with SANSMINDS :S:S:S....

jeeeeze lol...

Iím just rating and reviewing this amazing product as it works for me ...

:D
Message: Posted by: PRINCE (Dec 8, 2013 02:14PM)
Just to chime in and say I love PS which still works perfect however, the comments about coloured smoke was certainly a selling point for many. I know so many that bought PS simply for this reason. So when this finally got announced this was not happening, then yes people were/are conned. For buying something which was promised as an adaption if they bought PS - which never did happen.
Message: Posted by: PatrickGregoire (Dec 8, 2013 02:26PM)
[quote]
On 2013-12-08 13:26, Danny Kazam wrote:

For someone who found supposed solutions to the Gecko, you'd think he would of found an easy way to hook up MS v2.

[/quote]

I never came up with different ways to hook up the Gecko, I came up with applications and handlings...
Message: Posted by: Flyswatter (Dec 8, 2013 02:30PM)
While it's been extremely entertaining to read this post. People need to relax a little bit.

No need to F U This, F U THAT. Relax, and smoke up with whatever devices you fancy. Mine will be coming in 2 days, and then I will jump in the battle field they called the Cafť.
Message: Posted by: 2012multimagic (Dec 8, 2013 02:40PM)
[quote]
On 2013-12-08 15:30, Flyswatter wrote:
While it's been extremely entertaining to read this post. People need to relax a little bit.

No need to F U This, F U THAT. Relax, and smoke up with whatever devices you fancy. Mine will be coming in 2 days, and then I will jump in the battle field they called the Cafť.
[/quote]

ha ha !!...

look forward to seeing you on this thread... I hope your VAPR is as awesome as mine :D ..

...and yeah this ďF U THAT & F U THISĒ is/was stupid immature post(s).. but each too their own ...

Mw :D
Message: Posted by: PatrickGregoire (Dec 8, 2013 03:20PM)
My device will never be fixed by myself because the copper screw is stuck in the charger and it's a perfect fit so none of it is sticking out to grip and twist.
Message: Posted by: Danny Kazam (Dec 8, 2013 03:23PM)
[quote]
On 2013-12-08 15:40, 2012multimagic wrote:
[quote]
On 2013-12-08 15:30, Flyswatter wrote:
While it's been extremely entertaining to read this post. People need to relax a little bit.

No need to F U This, F U THAT. Relax, and smoke up with whatever devices you fancy. Mine will be coming in 2 days, and then I will jump in the battle field they called the Cafť.
[/quote]

ha ha !!...

look forward to seeing you on this thread... I hope your VAPR is as awesome as mine :D ..

...and yeah this ďF U THAT & F U THISĒ is/was stupid immature post(s).. but each too their own ...

Mw :D
[/quote]

You make yourself way to obvious. All you post on is this product. You obviously have a more interrest than just giving a review. You should also know that if you are friends with anyone associated with this product, you need to make that clear. So, let me ask, are you friends or related to anyone who has a financial interrest in Vapr?

Rabid, yes I do have evidence. I could open a thread and post the evidence for you, but the thread would never last long before being deleted. I could send you the evidence but what would be the point. It's yesterday news, and time has moved on.
Message: Posted by: Danny Kazam (Dec 8, 2013 03:29PM)
[quote]
On 2013-12-08 15:40, 2012multimagic wrote:
[quote]
On 2013-12-08 15:30, Flyswatter wrote:
While it's been extremely entertaining to read this post. People need to relax a little bit.

No need to F U This, F U THAT. Relax, and smoke up with whatever devices you fancy. Mine will be coming in 2 days, and then I will jump in the battle field they called the Cafť.
[/quote]

ha ha !!...

look forward to seeing you on this thread... I hope your VAPR is as awesome as mine :D ..

...and yeah this ďF U THAT & F U THISĒ is/was stupid immature post(s).. but each too their own ...

Mw :D
[/quote]

You make yourself way to obvious. All you post on is this product. You obviously have a more interrest than just giving a review. You should also know that if you are friends with anyone associated with this product, you need to make that clear. So, let me ask, are you friends or related to anyone who has a financial interrest in Vapr?

Rabid, yes I do have evidence. I could open a thread and post the evidence for you, but the thread would never last long before being deleted. I could send you the evidence but what would be the point. It's yesterday news, and time has moved on.
Message: Posted by: Alex DLF (Dec 8, 2013 03:44PM)
I make, literally, hundred's of puff per day since I received it. I really want to push it to the limits to see if it will work. And believe me or not, I must be at 2 or 3 hundreds of puff and I didn't need to charge it again.. Really interesting thing.

The only complain I could have is the sound being a little bit too loud but it's before I'm in my room', alone with no noise :)
Message: Posted by: 2012multimagic (Dec 8, 2013 04:08PM)
[quote]
On 2013-12-08 16:29, Danny Kazam wrote:
[quote]
On 2013-12-08 15:40, 2012multimagic wrote:
[quote]
On 2013-12-08 15:30, Flyswatter wrote:
While it's been extremely entertaining to read this post. People need to relax a little bit.

No need to F U This, F U THAT. Relax, and smoke up with whatever devices you fancy. Mine will be coming in 2 days, and then I will jump in the battle field they called the Cafť.
[/quote]

ha ha !!...

look forward to seeing you on this thread... I hope your VAPR is as awesome as mine :D ..

...and yeah this ďF U THAT & F U THISĒ is/was stupid immature post(s).. but each too their own ...

Mw :D
[/quote]

You make yourself way to obvious. All you post on is this product. You obviously have a more interrest than just giving a review. You should also know that if you are friends with anyone associated with this product, you need to make that clear. So, let me ask, are you friends or related to anyone who has a financial interrest in Vapr?

Rabid, yes I do have evidence. I could open a thread and post the evidence for you, but the thread would never last long before being deleted. I could send you the evidence but what would be the point. It's yesterday news, and time has moved on.

[/quote]

AS IN MY PREVIOUS POST ....I HAVE NO CONNECTION NOR HAVE I ANY FINANCIAL CONNECTION WIGH ANYONE TOO DO WITH VAPR

HIGHLY OFFENDED BY YOU THINKING SO .
Message: Posted by: 2012multimagic (Dec 8, 2013 04:17PM)
[quote]
On 2013-12-08 16:29, Danny Kazam wrote:
[quote]
On 2013-12-08 15:40, 2012multimagic wrote:
[quote]
On 2013-12-08 15:30, Flyswatter wrote:
While it's been extremely entertaining to read this post. People need to relax a little bit.

No need to F U This, F U THAT. Relax, and smoke up with whatever devices you fancy. Mine will be coming in 2 days, and then I will jump in the battle field they called the Cafť.
[/quote]

ha ha !!...

look forward to seeing you on this thread... I hope your VAPR is as awesome as mine :D ..

...and yeah this ďF U THAT & F U THISĒ is/was stupid immature post(s).. but each too their own ...

Mw :D
[/quote]

You make yourself way to obvious. All you post on is this product. You obviously have a more interrest than just giving a review. You should also know that if you are friends with anyone associated with this product, you need to make that clear. So, let me ask, are you friends or related to anyone who has a financial interrest in Vapr?

Rabid, yes I do have evidence. I could open a thread and post the evidence for you, but the thread would never last long before being deleted. I could send you the evidence but what would be the point. It's yesterday news, and time has moved on.
[/quote]

Just another thing , I have posted on many other threads ... Just because you do not agree with my opinion, does not give you the right too make accusations like in your previous post ...
Message: Posted by: Slartibartfaust (Dec 8, 2013 04:23PM)
[quote]
On 2013-12-08 16:29, Danny Kazam wrote:
[quote]
On 2013-12-08 15:40, 2012multimagic wrote:
[quote]
On 2013-12-08 15:30, Flyswatter wrote:
While it's been extremely entertaining to read this post. People need to relax a little bit.

No need to F U This, F U THAT. Relax, and smoke up with whatever devices you fancy. Mine will be coming in 2 days, and then I will jump in the battle field they called the Cafť.
[/quote]

ha ha !!...

look forward to seeing you on this thread... I hope your VAPR is as awesome as mine :D ..

...and yeah this ďF U THAT & F U THISĒ is/was stupid immature post(s).. but each too their own ...

Mw :D
[/quote]

You make yourself way to obvious. All you post on is this product. You obviously have a more interrest than just giving a review. You should also know that if you are friends with anyone associated with this product, you need to make that clear. So, let me ask, are you friends or related to anyone who has a financial interrest in Vapr?

Rabid, yes I do have evidence. I could open a thread and post the evidence for you, but the thread would never last long before being deleted. I could send you the evidence but what would be the point. It's yesterday news, and time has moved on.
[/quote]

I have seen you accuse many people. ...are you ok? do you need meds?
every thread I see you in I see the same, you should dial that back

seriously what I see is heavy bashing by people that don't own this product or people that unfortunately got a defective unit


even receiving a defective unit saying "FU VAPR supporters" is both rude and childish, why that isn't moderated I don't know

there are my 1 cents
Message: Posted by: 2012multimagic (Dec 8, 2013 04:29PM)
[quote]
On 2013-12-08 17:23, Slartibartfaust wrote:
[quote]
On 2013-12-08 16:29, Danny Kazam wrote:
[quote]
On 2013-12-08 15:40, 2012multimagic wrote:
[quote]
On 2013-12-08 15:30, Flyswatter wrote:
While it's been extremely entertaining to read this post. People need to relax a little bit.

No need to F U This, F U THAT. Relax, and smoke up with whatever devices you fancy. Mine will be coming in 2 days, and then I will jump in the battle field they called the Cafť.
[/quote]

ha ha !!...

look forward to seeing you on this thread... I hope your VAPR is as awesome as mine :D ..

...and yeah this ďF U THAT & F U THISĒ is/was stupid immature post(s).. but each too their own ...

Mw :D
[/quote]

You make yourself way to obvious. All you post on is this product. You obviously have a more interrest than just giving a review. You should also know that if you are friends with anyone associated with this product, you need to make that clear. So, let me ask, are you friends or related to anyone who has a financial interrest in Vapr?

Rabid, yes I do have evidence. I could open a thread and post the evidence for you, but the thread would never last long before being deleted. I could send you the evidence but what would be the point. It's yesterday news, and time has moved on.
[/quote]

I have seen you accuse many people. ...are you ok? do you need meds?
every thread I see you in I see the same, you should dial that back

seriously what I see is heavy bashing by people that don't own this product or people that unfortunately got a defective unit


even receiving a defective unit saying "FU VAPR supporters" is both rude and childish, why that isn't moderated I don't know

there are my 1 cents
[/quote]

Was your last post aimed at me. ?? I'm very confused if it was. ??
Message: Posted by: Slartibartfaust (Dec 8, 2013 04:34PM)
2012multimagic

NOOOOO

it was directly aimed at monsieur KAZAM

I found you to be honest and truthful and happy in general lol


I am bloody tired of seeing people bash effects just because they can , with no real knowledge of the actual product, as I meant to state that is what I found from the relevant poster

S
Message: Posted by: 2012multimagic (Dec 8, 2013 04:39PM)
[quote]
On 2013-12-08 17:34, Slartibartfaust wrote:
2012multimagic

NOOOOO

it was directly aimed at monsieur KAZAM

I found you to be honest and truthful and happy in general lol


I am bloody tired of seeing people bash effects just because they can , with no real knowledge of the actual product, as I meant to state that is what I found from the relevant poster

S
[/quote]

PHEEEEW lol ... Ha ha

Thank you. !! .. :D
Message: Posted by: doriancaudal (Dec 8, 2013 05:32PM)
2 additional questions if I may...

1/ When I start the main unit ON again after it has been OFF, I need to push it once and nothing comes out, and THEN, when pushing a second time, nice and thick smoke comes out. Is it an air issue, I mean, some air needs to be pushed through the tubing to reach the vaporizer, and this needs about 3 seconds, just the time for one push... ?

2/ How to put a new cartridge inside the vaporizer ? Do we need to make a hole in this cartridge ? If yes, with what ? And which size ?
Message: Posted by: max88 (Dec 8, 2013 06:59PM)
[quote]
On 2013-12-08 18:32, doriancaudal wrote:
2 additional questions if I may...

1/ When I start the main unit ON again after it has been OFF, I need to push it once and nothing comes out, and THEN, when pushing a second time, nice and thick smoke comes out. Is it an air issue, I mean, some air needs to be pushed through the tubing to reach the vaporizer, and this needs about 3 seconds, just the time for one push... ?

2/ How to put a new cartridge inside the vaporizer ? Do we need to make a hole in this cartridge ? If yes, with what ? And which size ?


[/quote]

1. I guess it normal.

2. No need for make hole in advance, just take out old cartrdige and put new one in, better just push in not rotate in or rotate little if you feel can not deep. make sure it full connect to heat coil which shall break the paper inside to make a hole itself.
Message: Posted by: Danny Kazam (Dec 8, 2013 07:59PM)
[quote]
On 2013-12-08 17:34, Slartibartfaust wrote:
2012multimagic

NOOOOO

it was directly aimed at monsieur KAZAM

I found you to be honest and truthful and happy in general lol


I am bloody tired of seeing people bash effects just because they can , with no real knowledge of the actual product, as I meant to state that is what I found from the relevant poster

S
[/quote]

Lol, and I need meds? :) Sorry if my assumption is incorrect, but you have posted a lot on this thread with the last two days overhyping vapr at every chance. I've never seen someone with no financial ties to a product so obsessed with it.

As for the scary looking guy who seems to always be a grump, and seems to be obsessed with people being on meds. (Seen him use that line on others) I feel honored in now being part of your "meds club" Just chewed down two Flinstone vitamins, and didn't use water to wash it down. I feel tough now. Lol
Message: Posted by: Xiqual (Dec 8, 2013 08:05PM)
Danny,
I know we have had some arguments in the past. I am not trying to start one now, for once,lol.
You have been a really crazy post writer for Magic smoke V2, so actually, you have seen someone without financial ties write a lot of posts about a product.

I see a lot of creative people in this thread, some have bad experiences and get angry, that is valid. I see others who are having a great experience and feel happy, that is also valid.

I don't think anyone is a shill. Sansmind openly sent free units to a lot of people, we know who they are. I believe there is user error AND equipment failure going on. No need for the cry of "shill" to go out on every positive review.

It's all about choices, it's great we have so many.
James
ps
Man, those mushrooms are really kickin' in.

[quote]
On 2013-12-08 20:59, Danny Kazam wrote:
[quote]
On 2013-12-08 17:34, Slartibartfaust wrote:
2012multimagic

NOOOOO

it was directly aimed at monsieur KAZAM

I found you to be honest and truthful and happy in general lol


I am bloody tired of seeing people bash effects just because they can , with no real knowledge of the actual product, as I meant to state that is what I found from the relevant poster

S
[/quote]

Lol, and I need meds? :) Sorry if my assumption is incorrect, but you have posted a lot on this thread with the last two days overhyping vapr at every chance. I've never seen someone with no financial ties to a product so obsessed with it.

As for the scary looking guy who seems to always be a grump, and seems to be obsessed with people being on meds. (Seen him use that line on others) I feel honored in now being part of your "meds club" Just chewed down two Flinstone vitamins, and didn't use water to wash it down. I feel tough now. Lol
[/quote]
Message: Posted by: Slartibartfaust (Dec 8, 2013 08:12PM)
[quote]
On 2013-12-08 20:59, Danny Kazam wrote:
[quote]
On 2013-12-08 17:34, Slartibartfaust wrote:
2012multimagic

NOOOOO

it was directly aimed at monsieur KAZAM

I found you to be honest and truthful and happy in general lol


I am bloody tired of seeing people bash effects just because they can , with no real knowledge of the actual product, as I meant to state that is what I found from the relevant poster

S
[/quote]

Lol, and I need meds? :) Sorry if my assumption is incorrect, but you have posted a lot on this thread with the last two days overhyping vapr at every chance. I've never seen someone with no financial ties to a product so obsessed with it.

As for the scary looking guy who seems to always be a grump, and seems to be obsessed with people being on meds. (Seen him use that line on others) I feel honored in now being part of your "meds club" Just chewed down two Flinstone vitamins, and didn't use water to wash it down. I feel tough now. Lol
[/quote]


you sir are a troll nothing more


shall we discuss looks? you look like a typical watch list case

and I haven't posted "lots" perhaps get your meds adjusted
Message: Posted by: Danny Kazam (Dec 8, 2013 08:12PM)
[quote]
On 2013-12-08 21:05, Xiqual wrote:
Danny,
I know we have had some arguments in the past. I am not trying to start one now, for once,lol.
You have been a really crazy post writer for Magic smoke V2, so actually, you have seen someone without financial ties write a lot of posts about a product.

I see a lot of creative people in this thread, some have bad experiences and get angry, that is valid. I see others who are having a great experience and feel happy, that is also valid.

I don't think anyone is a shill. Sansmind openly sent free units to a lot of people, we know who they are. I believe there is user error AND equipment failure going on. No need for the cry of "shill" to go out on every positive review.

It's all about choices, it's great we have so many.
James
ps
Man, those mushrooms are really kickin' in.

[quote]
On 2013-12-08 20:59, Danny Kazam wrote:
[quote]
On 2013-12-08 17:34, Slartibartfaust wrote:
2012multimagic

NOOOOO

it was directly aimed at monsieur KAZAM

I found you to be honest and truthful and happy in general lol


I am bloody tired of seeing people bash effects just because they can , with no real knowledge of the actual product, as I meant to state that is what I found from the relevant poster

S
[/quote]

Lol, and I need meds? :) Sorry if my assumption is incorrect, but you have posted a lot on this thread with the last two days overhyping vapr at every chance. I've never seen someone with no financial ties to a product so obsessed with it.

As for the scary looking guy who seems to always be a grump, and seems to be obsessed with people being on meds. (Seen him use that line on others) I feel honored in now being part of your "meds club" Just chewed down two Flinstone vitamins, and didn't use water to wash it down. I feel tough now. Lol
[/quote]
[/quote]

Always love to hear from you. You are absolutely right. So much for trying to change my old ways. ;)
Message: Posted by: Xiqual (Dec 8, 2013 08:17PM)
You have passion! Fire in the belly, as my Grandpa used to say. No need to change and I was not suggesting you needed to. I like the flavor of coffee the Cafť brings us, gets my blood pumping!
James



[quote]
On 2013-12-08 21:12, Danny Kazam wrote:
[quote]
On 2013-12-08 21:05, Xiqual wrote:
Danny,
I know we have had some arguments in the past. I am not trying to start one now, for once,lol.
You have been a really crazy post writer for Magic smoke V2, so actually, you have seen someone without financial ties write a lot of posts about a product.

I see a lot of creative people in this thread, some have bad experiences and get angry, that is valid. I see others who are having a great experience and feel happy, that is also valid.

I don't think anyone is a shill. Sansmind openly sent free units to a lot of people, we know who they are. I believe there is user error AND equipment failure going on. No need for the cry of "shill" to go out on every positive review.

It's all about choices, it's great we have so many.
James
ps
Man, those mushrooms are really kickin' in.

[quote]
On 2013-12-08 20:59, Danny Kazam wrote:
[quote]
On 2013-12-08 17:34, Slartibartfaust wrote:
2012multimagic

NOOOOO

it was directly aimed at monsieur KAZAM

I found you to be honest and truthful and happy in general lol


I am bloody tired of seeing people bash effects just because they can , with no real knowledge of the actual product, as I meant to state that is what I found from the relevant poster

S
[/quote]

Lol, and I need meds? :) Sorry if my assumption is incorrect, but you have posted a lot on this thread with the last two days overhyping vapr at every chance. I've never seen someone with no financial ties to a product so obsessed with it.

As for the scary looking guy who seems to always be a grump, and seems to be obsessed with people being on meds. (Seen him use that line on others) I feel honored in now being part of your "meds club" Just chewed down two Flinstone vitamins, and didn't use water to wash it down. I feel tough now. Lol
[/quote]
[/quote]

Always love to hear from you. You are absolutely right. So much for trying to change my old ways. ;)

[/quote]
Message: Posted by: Slartibartfaust (Dec 8, 2013 08:19PM)
Mr Kazam you have seen me use that line on others?



well now here is a chance for you to prove your veracity

show me an example?
any example

it is only you I find unbalanced sir
Message: Posted by: Danny Kazam (Dec 8, 2013 08:21PM)
[quote]
On 2013-12-08 21:12, Slartibartfaust wrote:
[quote]
On 2013-12-08 20:59, Danny Kazam wrote:
[quote]
On 2013-12-08 17:34, Slartibartfaust wrote:
2012multimagic

NOOOOO

it was directly aimed at monsieur KAZAM

I found you to be honest and truthful and happy in general lol


I am bloody tired of seeing people bash effects just because they can , with no real knowledge of the actual product, as I meant to state that is what I found from the relevant poster

S
[/quote]

Lol, and I need meds? :) Sorry if my assumption is incorrect, but you have posted a lot on this thread with the last two days overhyping vapr at every chance. I've never seen someone with no financial ties to a product so obsessed with it.

As for the scary looking guy who seems to always be a grump, and seems to be obsessed with people being on meds. (Seen him use that line on others) I feel honored in now being part of your "meds club" Just chewed down two Flinstone vitamins, and didn't use water to wash it down. I feel tough now. Lol
[/quote]


you sir are a troll nothing more


shall we discuss looks? you look like a typical watch list case

and I haven't posted "lots" perhaps get your meds adjusted
[/quote]

You call me a troll, and you want to discuss looks? Lol I just laughed so hard those Flinstone vitamins just shot through my nose. Your right, I am going to have to increase my meds.

Let me guess, you want to insult my vest? Sorry, but it's been done before. But hey, whatever turns your crank. Get it? Crank. :)
Message: Posted by: Danny Kazam (Dec 8, 2013 08:22PM)
[quote]
On 2013-12-08 17:34, Slartibartfaust wrote:
2012multimagic

NOOOOO

it was directly aimed at monsieur KAZAM

I found you to be honest and truthful and happy in general lol


I am bloody tired of seeing people bash effects just because they can , with no real knowledge of the actual product, as I meant to state that is what I found from the relevant poster

S
[/quote]

Lol, and I need meds? :) Sorry if my assumption is incorrect, but you have posted a lot on this thread with the last two days overhyping vapr at every chance. I've never seen someone with no financial ties to a product so obsessed with it.

As for the scary looking guy who seems to always be a grump, and seems to be obsessed with people being on meds. (Seen him use that line on others too) I feel honored in now being part of your "meds club" Just chewed down two Flinstone vitamins, and didn't use water to wash it down. I feel tough now. Lol
Message: Posted by: Slartibartfaust (Dec 8, 2013 08:25PM)
I have posted very little in this thread sir


you however seem to live in an alternate reality
I really do pity you


S

PS reposting an earlier post?

that is odd
Message: Posted by: Danny Kazam (Dec 8, 2013 08:34PM)
I was trying to edit my last post, but couldn't because you are so quick on the draw. I was trying to say, "That first part was addressed to the other fellow, not to you. Sorry about the confusion. And, no I am not going to entertain you by searching through your many posts just to prove something I don't really care to prove. :) Also, I was texting from my mobile phone. It happens. Yes it's odd, I have to agree. lol

Yes, I live in an alternate reality, but you don't need to pity me. I do quite well for myself. I have a wonderful family, my house is paid for, and I have great company here on the Cafť. :)
Message: Posted by: Slartibartfaust (Dec 8, 2013 08:40PM)
You wont search because it is a bold faced lie
that is the fact


I have seen you in thread after thread pulling this nonsense
if it makes you feel somehow "big" good on you, however
in truth it makes you look small, in every thread you do it
you accuse members of being shills, that I can dig up and post many many examples
that is a serious accusation and you never back it up


I find you rude and misinformed

but be well
we all need something I suppose
Message: Posted by: elimagic (Dec 8, 2013 08:40PM)
The immaturity in this threaded is truly astounding. Another discussion on the Cafť turned into a ego measuring match. It's a pity.
Message: Posted by: max88 (Dec 8, 2013 08:48PM)
[quote]
On 2013-12-08 21:40, elimagic wrote:
The immaturity in this threaded is truly astounding. Another discussion on the Cafť turned into a ego measuring match. It's a pity.
[/quote]

People like childhood sometime in discussion board. It is magical.
Just let it go and back to normal discussion.

Did you receive your vapr?
I got mine played it for 2 days and I love it.
I will post a detail enough review later.
Message: Posted by: Slartibartfaust (Dec 8, 2013 08:50PM)
[quote]
On 2013-12-08 21:40, elimagic wrote:
The immaturity in this threaded is truly astounding. Another discussion on the Cafť turned into a ego measuring match. It's a pity.
[/quote]

it isn't an ego match elimagic
Danny accused a member of being a shill
that is vile

I wont stand by and say nothing


"You make yourself way to obvious. All you post on is this product. You obviously have a more interrest than just giving a review. You should also know that if you are friends with anyone associated with this product, you need to make that clear. So, let me ask, are you friends or related to anyone who has a financial interrest in Vapr? "

that is slander
and it should not be accepted
Message: Posted by: lokikross (Dec 8, 2013 08:55PM)
I keep waiting for this thread to slow down one iota so I can announce new magic.
At this rate, you guys won't see anything new from me for a while.

No point in posting on this site if there is a constant flame war/witch hunt going on.

There was a break on Monday, so I dropped a lil' something.
(But nothing serious, I know better when this kind of thread is going.)

And I am positive you guys are missing out on some truly exciting holiday releases because who would want to start a new post when everyone is getting so wet to rant/debate on here.

(Same thing happened during "Hug' "Inexplicable" and any time Brushwoods name pops up. See all the great stuff that was announced during those months?... ;) )

So the sequel to FAX, and my IT system that has been asked about/bidded on for months, (Mesika wants to buy the rights if that is any indication), are going to sit on the shelf till this nonsense ends.

I'm not going to have good magic products competing with flame wars. I'll wait. The trolls lose out.

(And I do not own a VAPR, nor got one early. If I had, I would have made a video immediately instructing on how e-cig batteries work. And half this thread wouldn't exist.)

When the dust settles... You will see new magic, not just from me; but several entities.
Why talk about them though. It isn't as fun as ranting and fighting each other, I guess.

Sure VAPR has/had issues. It's an electronic magic device. If electronics in magic where that high end, some major companies would be involved in this business. (Sony, Phillips, etc.)

And comparing them is silly too. They are all e-cigs attached backwards to an air source. You can make them at home.
Debating the merits of each is hilarious as they are all going to work differently, even one VAPR to the next.

That is because the e-cig market is still very new, technologically.
Otherwise we wouldn't have a new generic version in the gas station each week.

Like I said, when you guys direct your attention back on magic, performing, and new ground; I will be there with some really cool offerings.

Till then,
L
Message: Posted by: Slartibartfaust (Dec 8, 2013 09:00PM)
"Sure VAPR has/had issues. It's an electronic magic device. If electronics in magic where that high end, some major companies would be involved in this business. (Sony, Phillips, etc.)"

EXACTLY
Message: Posted by: Danny Kazam (Dec 8, 2013 09:36PM)
[quote]
On 2013-12-08 22:00, Slartibartfaust wrote:
"Sure VAPR has/had issues. It's an electronic magic device. If electronics in magic where that high end, some major companies would be involved in this business. (Sony, Phillips, etc.)"

EXACTLY
[/quote]

If the only thing you are interrested in is the remote, you can buy the same cheap remote off the internet or hobby store. It's also very easy to make any electronic device remote. Seriously, it's really simple. I am on my mobile so can't get into all the details, but you can Google, "how to remote control any electronic device." You'll get plenty of info and "how to" video's.

I posted over a year ago all the info needed to make a vapour device using an e-cigarette with small air device with remote on the Cafť when Pure Smoke came out, but the thing was and still is that the cheap air device and remote eventually gives out after a while. The atomizer in the e-cigarette lasts usually longer. Needless to say, the thread was deleted.
Message: Posted by: Slartibartfaust (Dec 8, 2013 09:41PM)
Does that make Loki a "shill" danny?

you really need to re-evaluate sir

I can make a hell of a lot out of construction paper , doesn't mean it's worth doing
Message: Posted by: Slartibartfaust (Dec 8, 2013 10:08PM)
Oh and btw I have I "think" 6 remotes on hand for various projects I am working on but thanks for the sage advice
Message: Posted by: lokikross (Dec 8, 2013 10:14PM)
That question doesn't need to be asked ;)

I could be a total commercial w h o r e if I chose to.

Instead I make great magic and pitch it honestly.

Which is why I can't even afford a VAPR. lol.

Seriously, this place is so contrary.

You make a solid product with no controversy, no one cares.

You edit a video that does not need editing; and everyone buys it so they can:
1. Tear it apart.
2. Buy into hype.
3. Find out for themselves.
4. Because they just cannot help themselves.

And not just on edits, ANYTHING questionable sells like gold.

I feel really bad for the end users when I see them blatantly fall into that trap.
Especially when their last post was, "I'll never buy into the hype again!"

Those same people always do.

I cannot comment on VAPR, but who really is at this point? It is just a war of attrition.

And then everyone wonders why magic companies push these kinds of products over the rest.

They know how easy it is to play on your emotions guys.

Sad really.
L
Message: Posted by: Slartibartfaust (Dec 8, 2013 10:16PM)
Jesus Loki that was the best post I have seen on the Cafť


thanks :)
Message: Posted by: lokikross (Dec 8, 2013 10:22PM)
That's what I am here for brother. ;)
L
Message: Posted by: Stucky (Dec 8, 2013 10:48PM)
[quote]
On 2013-12-08 15:14, PRINCE wrote:
Just to chime in and say I love PS which still works perfect however, the comments about coloured smoke was certainly a selling point for many. I know so many that bought PS simply for this reason. So when this finally got announced this was not happening, then yes people were/are conned. For buying something which was promised as an adaption if they bought PS - which never did happen.
[/quote]

From my understanding it wasn't that people were conned, it was that Jason left Ellusionist which stopped any research on their end into the matter. I even recall seeing a video of purple smoke coming from a PS once. (Did anyone else? I don't think I imagined that) Who knows, they might even be working on it for Vapr and not telling anyone to avoid Dannys ranting and raving :)
Message: Posted by: Danny Kazam (Dec 8, 2013 11:17PM)
Actually Jason continued to mislead people even when he announced he was leaving E. He told everyone that he assigned it to a top e-cigarette company who would continue the research. Sorry to say but the purple smoke was a hoax. What I mean by that is the color staines the skin and anything it made contact with, which is why you never saw hands in the video. Jason made the promise of colored smoke before he knew it would be impossible to create safe non staining colored smoke. When he knew it would be impossible he continued to mislead people into thinking he was getting close. The truth was, he was far from creating it. He could of came clean, but decided to release the purple smoke video so people would continue buying the unit.

Eventually the gig was up, and he was caught several times lying. Then he "resigned" from E. But not without leaving one last lie, telling everyone that a top e-cigarette company had taken over the colored smoke research.
Message: Posted by: Danny Kazam (Dec 9, 2013 12:26AM)
It's really not my fault that some are over trusting, and believe everything their told. I on the other hand like to do my own research into certain matters, and when I see something illegal or dishonest going on, I say it. I don't need to kiss butt, or have to worry about being blackballed from conventions. I have made some changes by doing the right thing instead of ignoring things. I have also made mistakes along the way but have been man enough to own up to them.

I am passionate about this art I call magic, and when I see it being used in dishonest ways, I do something. I can tell you about the changes I have made and the people I have ****ed off along the way. It's a small price to pay to keep the art I love and respect from others who just try to use it and manipulate it for their own greed.
Message: Posted by: 2012multimagic (Dec 9, 2013 12:57AM)
Right, I have been on the Cafť for only 3 days !!!!..... and this is the **** I get for voicing an opinion about a product ?.. DANNY KAZAM you are just a nasty troll,, get you facts correct before you go accusing people of various things ... again I HAVE NO CONNECTION NOR FINANCIAL GAIN/CONNECTION regarding VAPR...

This is just getting like a playground tit for tat that clearly SOME people get off on :O....

I wanted to enjoy my experience on the Cafť.. I hope I can...

Thank you for the peeps that appreciate me taking the time out and letting you know about MY experiences with VAPR.. and I stand by what I said.. if I can help in anyway getting your VAPR working as perfect as mine, please let m know...

Mw :D
Message: Posted by: Stucky (Dec 9, 2013 12:58AM)
"many say it is impossible until proven otherwise... and even then..."
Message: Posted by: 2012multimagic (Dec 9, 2013 01:00AM)
[quote]
On 2013-12-08 20:59, Danny Kazam wrote:
[quote]
On 2013-12-08 17:34, Slartibartfaust wrote:
2012multimagic

NOOOOO

it was directly aimed at monsieur KAZAM

I found you to be honest and truthful and happy in general lol


I am bloody tired of seeing people bash effects just because they can , with no real knowledge of the actual product, as I meant to state that is what I found from the relevant poster

S
[/quote]



Lol, and I need meds? :) Sorry if my assumption is incorrect, but you have posted a lot on this thread with the last two days overhyping vapr at every chance. I've never seen someone with no financial ties to a product so obsessed with it.

As for the scary looking guy who seems to always be a grump, and seems to be obsessed with people being on meds. (Seen him use that line on others) I feel honored in now being part of your "meds club" Just chewed down two Flinstone vitamins, and didn't use water to wash it down. I feel tough now. Lol
[/quote]

Oh and for someone that doesnít even own a VAPR unit.. YOU seem overly obsessed with it donít you think ??? :P... but hey, thanks for the warm welcome .... :S:S
Message: Posted by: 2012multimagic (Dec 9, 2013 01:00AM)
[quote]
On 2013-12-09 01:58, Stucky wrote:
"many say it is impossible until proven otherwise... and even then..."


[/quote]

Ha ha !! love that !!... lol.... :D
Message: Posted by: Danny Kazam (Dec 9, 2013 01:43AM)
You're welcome. Thank you for the kinds words. :) Yes, a troll must be a good thing when you put it so elegantly. I have been a member of the Cafť for over 5 years. Not always as my performing name, but under my real name as well.

I do apologize if my assumption was wrong. I too used to post like you do, (as someone else previously mentioned). He knows me quite well, and I do have much respect for him, as well as many others here. Since we are slinging names around like little children, may I be the grown up for a moment and say that I am a pretty good looking troll. For a troll, that is. ;)

I do mean my apologies though. Not that you'll probally except it anymore than the first one. But, I have put it on the table for you.

Now I must go and take my double dose of meds before I head back under my bridge. :)

Been an enlightening evening.
Message: Posted by: Xiqual (Dec 9, 2013 02:22AM)
Actually the word "troll" comes from a type of fishing. Trolling is a way that fishermen drag their lines until something bites.
Not the type that lives under the bridge. Okay, I'll move along now.
James
Message: Posted by: lokikross (Dec 9, 2013 02:33AM)
Lol. They really need an "upvote"/"downvote" feature here.

It would be hilarious and enlightening.

L
Message: Posted by: Danny Kazam (Dec 9, 2013 02:35AM)
Once upon a time, there existed creatures called Trolls, or so the legends and folktales say. According to my reference works on these subjects, Trolls of Scandinavian folklore are usually huge ogres with great strength and little wit. The most famous tales of them have them lurking under bridges to demand payment of those who would cross, killing those who would make the attempt without paying the toll. Later, so the texts say, the stories told that they shrank to a smaller, dwarfish folk who inhabited caves. Eventually, they apparently left our world altogether, and were never seen or heard from again.

But those reports are wrong, for Trolls do indeed exist, even today. They are alive and well and wreaking new havoc on the Internet.

Do you wish to enter a chatroom or participate on a message board? Beware the Trolls! They will appear when you least expect it, and demand a different kind of payment from you. They will assail you with insults, obscenities, and anything offensive they can think of to get you give them what they really want: attention. They will keep up these attacks to watch you cry out in protest and pain, and the more you do so, the more they will keep it up. That's what they really want, after all: a reaction, any reaction, for that is the coin by which they measure their success. The more they receive, the more they will continue the behavior that is giving them what they want. That it upsets others is of no concern to them -- or, rather, it is of primary concern for them, for upsetting people is their business.

Like the Trolls of old, they seem to have great strength, given the kinds of trouble they can cause; but ultimately, also like the Trolls of old, they have little wit. They all use the same tactics, and they all resort to the same ways of provoking people. First insult members of the chatroom or board by calling them names, ridiculing their comments and questioning their intelligence. Then start insulting the subject for which the board or chatroom was created. If that doesn't get enough reaction, start upping the ante by bringing in completely unrelated subjects. Tell the other participants that they (or the subject under discussion) are prejudiced racially, sexually, ethnically, religiously -- take your pick, they'll eventually hit 'em all, and then go for the jugular: doing all this while throwing in obscene language and casting other foul aspersions on anyone who happens to be within range. This is, of course, incredibly inflammatory behavior to any marginally civilized person, and a normal sense of justice and fair play naturally demands defense and protest.

Which is exactly what the Troll is hoping for, because they don't play fair. They don't care about the same things that brought the other participants to the site; they only want to get people riled up and see the trouble they created so they can feel big and strong and powerful because they created such a fuss. And while they're watching the outrage and anger fly, they're sitting under the bridge, laughing while they chew on the bones of their victims. All that public indignation has served only one purpose: it fed the Troll's hunger for power and made him happy. It certainly did nothing for the people who got upset.

Tales tell us that warning signs were put up near bridges where Trolls were believed to be living, to keep unsuspecting folk away so that they would not be robbed or killed. You could not cross that bridge without losing either your money or your life, so it was better to turn around and ignore that bridge. Not especially convenient if that was one of few bridges around and you needed to get to the other side, but eventually, the Troll would either starve to death or leave, and the bridge would be safe again. Until the next Troll moved in, and then the same warnings and behavior would apply.

Simply put, Trolls are bullies. They are at heart small and mean people who have a need to make themselves feel big and strong, and the easiest way they can find to do that is by mistreating other people and taking pleasure in their pain. It's not healthy, but it's also not something that will be made better by giving in to the bully. It is far better to walk away from him, to ignore him, and even suffer a few punches rather than give him what he wants by crying and begging for mercy or even fighting with him. If you are not a "good victim," he will look elsewhere to get what he wants. And ultimately, if direct action needs to be taken against any bully, it has to come from the proper authorities: in the case of school bullies, the administration and faculty, or even the police, in the case of Internet bullies, the persons on the site who have the power to block or remove their inflammatory and offensive remarks.

Because if you look closely at what these Internet Trolls say, you will eventually see the truth: They may look like big nasty ogres, but theyre really just sorry little people hiding in their dark caves, coming out to make mischief before running back into hiding where they can watch the trouble they made and laugh all alone in the dark. They're emotional terrorists. Ignoring them isn't easy because it hurts to see them say and do things designed to make people feel upset and angry, but it's the only thing that will make them go away. Ignoring them completely creates an environment that simply does not give them what they're looking for. It's like soaking the woodpile with water: when the match comes along looking for something to burn, it wont catch, so it must go elsewhere to have its fun. But everyone must turn their backs and not respond, or the Troll will have the hope that if he keeps at it and tries hard enough, he'll get a big enough reaction to start a real fire.

Be it a Troll under a bridge or a Troll on the Internet, the warning sign is the same:


DO NOT FEED THE TROLL.

By Mary Jean Holmes
Message: Posted by: Danny Kazam (Dec 9, 2013 02:46AM)
LOL :)
Message: Posted by: 2012multimagic (Dec 9, 2013 03:03AM)
[quote]
On 2013-12-09 03:22, Xiqual wrote:
Actually the word "troll" comes from a type of fishing. Trolling is a way that fishermen drag their lines until something bites.
Not the type that lives under the bridge. Okay, I'll move along now.
James
[/quote]

ha ha... very true!! :P
Message: Posted by: doriancaudal (Dec 9, 2013 05:22AM)
[quote]
On 2013-12-08 19:59, max88 wrote:
[quote]
On 2013-12-08 18:32, doriancaudal wrote:
2 additional questions if I may...

1/ When I start the main unit ON again after it has been OFF, I need to push it once and nothing comes out, and THEN, when pushing a second time, nice and thick smoke comes out. Is it an air issue, I mean, some air needs to be pushed through the tubing to reach the vaporizer, and this needs about 3 seconds, just the time for one push... ?

2/ How to put a new cartridge inside the vaporizer ? Do we need to make a hole in this cartridge ? If yes, with what ? And which size ?


[/quote]

1. I guess it normal.

2. No need for make hole in advance, just take out old cartrdige and put new one in, better just push in not rotate in or rotate little if you feel can not deep. make sure it full connect to heat coil which shall break the paper inside to make a hole itself.
[/quote]

Thanks for your answer, at least related to the subject of this thread : Vapr ;)
Has anyone else different answers to this ?
Message: Posted by: max88 (Dec 9, 2013 07:06AM)
I just make a full review under Trick&Effect
http://www.themagiccafe.com/forums/viewtopic.php?topic=535567&forum=109&3

For easy reference, I copyed here as well
Below is my detail, honest review after playing it for a while.
Included some tips as well how to use it.

Before the review, I shall give you some important warning, in case you do not have time to read so long review below, at least you can get something to prevent bad thing happen if you intend to buy it or already a user.

***** WARNING *****

POWER ADAPTER(PA): In web spec, it says the power adapter in package is 110V. If you are in Europe or other place use 220V, then you cannot use the power adapter to charge the device. You have to use computer connect to the USB cable from package to charge it. If you use 110V PA, you will damage your device for sure.

But the interesting thing is the PA I get is marked as 110-240 which is international charger. So use this PA you can charge it no matter where you are. Even it is, I do not dear to charge it using PA. I still charge with computer.

So either you always charge with computer if your country is not 110V, or you have a look of your PA to make sure it is written 110-240V, then charge it in wall.

VAPORIZER HANDLING: vaporizer contains main body, heater coil and cartridge. When you charge it, you have to remove the heater coil from main body, and then main body can connect to the USB.
When you remove the header coil from main body, you need to TURN CLOCKWISE as said in DVD to loose it, turn wrong way with excessive force may damage the heater coil. IT IS VERY IMPORTANT.
When you connect main body of VAPORIZER to USB charge, TURN UNCLOCKWISE to tighten and connect it. After charge, TURN CLOCKWISE to loose and remove it.

If above handling is not carefully done, you have the risk to damage your unit after a first charge. It is not about product quality just the careful handling. Watch DVD first before play it.

====================REVIEW===================

*****Package Boxing*****
10/10
The boxing is amazing, pure white with little graph, simple and deluxe. Like APPLE productís package style.
The box is well made and has a magnet in front flip to make it close completely and easily.
The internal layout is very well designed to hold everything in place.
It is a perfect expensive gift style when you give to your best friends or your teenage child who interesting in magic.
If they get this box in Christmas (of course with everything include) you will never be forgotten.

***** MAIN UNIT ****
10/10
The main unit, just a small box (contain switch and pump)
Size: width*height*depth 6.5*2.4*2.8cm (I measure it myself, it not show in manual or spec, so you can find something like it to see is it your taste before buying)
Weight: extremely light.

I watched different video review, promotion video and picture of it before. I know it is small.
But only until I get it and hold on my hand, I realize how small and beauty of it.
It can use for which hand routine effect to hold and without notice from outlook.
Just thatís small!!

It has very good shape and smooth surface, material of it is very nice.
It just feels good when you hold it. When you wear it you will not feel uncomfortable.

The switch of main unit is very easy to trigger. But tight enough to prevent you trigger it mistakenly.


***** SM*KE *****
9/10
The sm*ke is thick, white, smell good, beauty. I do not own other device so cannot compare.
I do saw other device in operation before. But to me it is good enough for such a small device can achieve.
Some guy in Cafť has compared it with PS, result is far better than PS.
I do a test that press switch on and hold it, it continuously produce sm*ke and stop exactly at 60 sec. (as spec described) and afterwards still function very well. I not recommend you do it often since it gives too much stress to the component. For me I will never do it again.

***** SILENT LEVEL *****
8/10 (10 is full silent)

The noise part is the hardest part of the review.
One month ago when in pre-order phase, the only thing prevent me to order is the unsure of noise level.
After watch Bizzaro review video I was disappointed to hear the noise is obvious(he put it close to micro recorder)
From first batch buyer feedback here it also indicate it is not silent (some say it is acceptable).
I almost give up getting it due to this annoying noise. But I just cannot let it go and decide to take a shot finding out myself.

I would honestly say it is not silent; the video review you see is what you get.
The noise is from the pump, it cannot avoid. More like mobile phone vibrate but less heavy.
It is not loud but still you can hear in quite place.

If you dream of a full silent device it is not for you. After I see and play the whole unit, I can say compare with all positive side of this device, the silent level is not an issue at all.
Because you can never get an electric device use a pump to be full silent. It will not happen in next several years.
Like most magic effect, some can played surround some are not, some can be examined some are not.
They have the limitation. How and when to use it is your choice. Anyplace/anytime effect or tool is very rare.

The limitation of Vapr Ďs noise level as I tested is you cannot use it in a room which is very quiet. No way!
That is the limitation. It can used in bar has music or people talk lots, used in street has some background noise, stage. It also can be used in a room which turns TV or music on loudly.

I notice the Spec on Sansminds site has changed the previous ďFull silentlyĒ to ďExtremely quite operationĒ.
Some dealerís site has not changed yet and may cause mis-leading of buyer.
It is not extremely quite still, but it is in 90% performance situation can work without being noticed.
I can accept it now finally. Sometime not matter how much review or comments from others you have seen; you need to experience it and judge. Vapr belong to this category for sure. I am happy I make the right call.
Message: Posted by: max88 (Dec 9, 2013 07:07AM)
***** REMOTE SWITCH *****
10/10
The remoter switch is very small, light and smooth when you touch it. Very well made. The design of it has a purpose which the whole surface is a switch so you do not need to find/search a button on it to press. Just press or squeeze whatever side it will trigger. It has very practical usage that you can just put in your trousersí back pocket and a quick tap or push the pocket it can work like charm. The spec said the remoter range is 10M and it is true. Actually I did a test that may useless, but I want to see how it is. I put main unit in living room, and go to another room 6M away from main unit and in that room without seeing it I press the remoter, Wow, it sm*ke outside! Then I close the room door and it still works. I guess psychic entertainer in house will like it and find a way to use it effectively.

Some people argue the remoter is useless, for me I just want to see the limitation and possibility of the device. It is just a tool to provide you the possibility. But how to use it, use for which kind of effect it is only by your imagination. Before Vapr , you do not have the power to do it remotely or even think of its application. Now you have the chance to start. Why not?

Here is 2 setting I can think of how the remoter can work in the situation that you are your own and want to put main unit and remoter together in your body. It provides the significant advantage than the standard trigger method.

Setting 1: Use arm band to hold main unit on right arm, put remote in left back pocket of treasure. This make the right hand free and can stretch out to whatever direction you want when the sm*ke appear. This applicable especially for ONE HAND effect like disappear a coin, vanish a card etc. You have no strange move or hold arm back like before to trigger the sm*ke. When all the focus/heater on your right hand, you just do what you used to do, no any adjustment, one quick move of left hand in back make the work done. The disadvantage is in surround situation, if you want to make more than 1 hit smoke(3 sec) it may not looking good that your left hand stay back. Then we go for setting 2

Setting 2: Put main unit directly in right back pocket of treasure, other staff link to right hand (very easy). The arm band has a little pocket designed to hold the remoter (thanks WILL to consider it), put it in there and wear the arm band on left arm. This setting allows you to do the one hand effect also both hand effects. Just like the normal trigger method by other device, but you have the ability to trigger it with another hand without tube around your body. Also put main unit in back pocket it reduce and block some noise.

I am sure you can make other setting creatively when you play with it (Toe setting, Ass setting, etc.)

***** DVD *****
7/10

The whole DVD has 1 hour. But related to Vapr only 17 mins (rest are promotion material).
I strongly recommend you watch the DVD first instead of anxiously to play it or put in charging.
Go directly to Vapr introduction chapter, which cover most of thing you need to know.

The introduction part is well made, straight forwards. There are some written sentence in some place during playing, those are all important, I suggest you pause the playing and read those sentence. For example the warning of turn the right direction when remove heater coil is in written sentence, you need to read it before do the first charging.

I would hope that DVD can make longer than 17 minutes to explain more of the handling.
Some movement and handling of device is so quickly showed like MTV style and no step by step.
For an electrical device I think the explanation in DVD is not the level it shall be.

In the end of that chapter, 3 effects using Vapr is introduced.
1, ice appears in empty hand. It is very easy to do and the best effect of three. I was fooled when I watch it.
2. Trace. It is a Will market effect adding Vapr to perform. It is good. Card fan may willing buy Trace, not my taste.
3. Smoke from empty cup. You already see it in demo video. Nothing to add.

If you never own an sm*ke device, or want to improve the handling, I strongly recommend Pure Sm*ke Training DVD by George Wilson. It is original made for PS, but everything it teaching can use by Vapr. This DVD not only teach the effects, but also you will learn how to generate sm*ke like real in your hands. George teach his version of show ice cube from empty hand, it is so good. Without this DVD I doubt you can use Vapr effectively and magically.

***** Manual *****

7/10
The manual is very simple. Very well printed.
It covers some important thing you need to know about the device.
But for an electric device it is by far so simple.
Cafť member KyleMarlett on behalf of SansMinds put a troubleshooting PDF as supplement manual which is very useful. Any user of Vapr shall check it out and read it.
You can find his post here http://www.themagiccafe.com/forums/search_post.php?topic=531479&forum=218&post=8180214
Or download file from https://www.dropbox.com/s/s7o6z6az133sl7n/Vapr%20Trouble%20Shooting
If you want to know how long one cartridge can use, or other question, you can find in above file.

***** CARTAIDGE REPLACEMENT ****
One thing is missing from DVD and manual is how to replace cartridge.
It puzzled me when I try doing it. And it puzzled others as well in this forum.
Anyway here is how I do it and it works well:
Hold the heater coil which has round band on it, pull out the green cartridge if it is the first time you replace it. The supplied cartridge is black in its box. Push the new cartridge into heater coil; be careful you shall choose the right end which has an Aluminium foil in it towards heater coil. You can push it gently, slowly but with some strength. And make them tight together.
One tips I would give is next time I change cartridge, I will remove the heat coil first, then do replacement. Reason is heat coil and main body together when pull or push cartridge you may damage it as I stated in warning part.
I do not use any needle or something to break and make a hole of cartridgeís Aluminium foil.

***** QUALITY *****
Official web provide Main Unit/ Vaporizer Replacement 1st year free.(shipment fee shall be on you)
If you want to buy it, strongly recommend you check the dealer does it have one year free replacement.
If not, go somewhere else who has it to buy. Never buy it without this service.
Even with high standard quality control the electric device can go wrong anytime.
From some user feedback here some unit they have not function after charging or short play.
I guess it may due to fault unit or due to the charging issue or heater coil handling I placed at beginning of this review.

My experience is:
I played it for 2 days, charged it twice (not because low battery, but just to test will charging cause problem). Used fully 1 cartridge and replaced new one. So far all are good. Same smoke, same silent level,
I do not know what will happen next. But with one year free replacement what else can go wrong?
If you want to be sure the quality of it is general good, you can wait another 1, 2 month to see how others comment.

***** CONCLUSION*****
Vapr is a very good product. I saw expensive device and cheaper device before, None of them I am willing to carry with me. But with vaprís small main unit, the durable cube, very well made arm band, remoter it is so easy/comfortable to carry and play with whenever you feel the need. And all of them can easily put into a small box/bag if you can find. The handling is so easy, the sm*ke is beautiful. The silent level is within my acceptance range.

It raises the bar of design, good thinking behind a product. And its innovation in some aspect shall definitely be encouraged with open mind. As long as it has good quality and can use for long time, it will be very good. But we do not know yet.

In the end I will not say the words normal reviewer will say for a good productĒ I highly recommend you buy itĒ. NO I not recommend anything. It is your decision, not mine. What I provide is just the insight you may not know before you get it. That is how the review shall be.

I hope the review will help you in some aspect. Like I get lots from all of you. .
Message: Posted by: Xcath1 (Dec 9, 2013 07:21AM)
Very helpful post max88 thank you.
Message: Posted by: 2012multimagic (Dec 9, 2013 07:42AM)
[quote]
On 2013-12-09 08:07, max88 wrote:
***** REMOTE SWITCH *****
10/10
The remoter switch is very small, light and smooth when you touch it. Very well made. The design of it has a purpose which the whole surface is a switch so you do not need to find/search a button on it to press. Just press or squeeze whatever side it will trigger. It has very practical usage that you can just put in your trousersí back pocket and a quick tap or push the pocket it can work like charm. The spec said the remoter range is 10M and it is true. Actually I did a test that may useless, but I want to see how it is. I put main unit in living room, and go to another room 6M away from main unit and in that room without seeing it I press the remoter, Wow, it sm*ke outside! Then I close the room door and it still works. I guess psychic entertainer in house will like it and find a way to use it effectively.

Some people argue the remoter is useless, for me I just want to see the limitation and possibility of the device. It is just a tool to provide you the possibility. But how to use it, use for which kind of effect it is only by your imagination. Before Vapr , you do not have the power to do it remotely or even think of its application. Now you have the chance to start. Why not?

Here is 2 setting I can think of how the remoter can work in the situation that you are your own and want to put main unit and remoter together in your body. It provides the significant advantage than the standard trigger method.

Setting 1: Use arm band to hold main unit on right arm, put remote in left back pocket of treasure. This make the right hand free and can stretch out to whatever direction you want when the sm*ke appear. This applicable especially for ONE HAND effect like disappear a coin, vanish a card etc. You have no strange move or hold arm back like before to trigger the sm*ke. When all the focus/heater on your right hand, you just do what you used to do, no any adjustment, one quick move of left hand in back make the work done. The disadvantage is in surround situation, if you want to make more than 1 hit smoke(3 sec) it may not looking good that your left hand stay back. Then we go for setting 2

Setting 2: Put main unit directly in right back pocket of treasure, other staff link to right hand (very easy). The arm band has a little pocket designed to hold the remoter (thanks WILL to consider it), put it in there and wear the arm band on left arm. This setting allows you to do the one hand effect also both hand effects. Just like the normal trigger method by other device, but you have the ability to trigger it with another hand without tube around your body. Also put main unit in back pocket it reduce and block some noise.

I am sure you can make other setting creatively when you play with it (Toe setting, Ass setting, etc.)

***** DVD *****
7/10

The whole DVD has 1 hour. But related to Vapr only 17 mins (rest are promotion material).
I strongly recommend you watch the DVD first instead of anxiously to play it or put in charging.
Go directly to Vapr introduction chapter, which cover most of thing you need to know.

The introduction part is well made, straight forwards. There are some written sentence in some place during playing, those are all important, I suggest you pause the playing and read those sentence. For example the warning of turn the right direction when remove heater coil is in written sentence, you need to read it before do the first charging.

I would hope that DVD can make longer than 17 minutes to explain more of the handling.
Some movement and handling of device is so quickly showed like MTV style and no step by step.
For an electrical device I think the explanation in DVD is not the level it shall be.

In the end of that chapter, 3 effects using Vapr is introduced.
1, ice appears in empty hand. It is very easy to do and the best effect of three. I was fooled when I watch it.
2. Trace. It is a Will market effect adding Vapr to perform. It is good. Card fan may willing buy Trace, not my taste.
3. Smoke from empty cup. You already see it in demo video. Nothing to add.

If you never own an sm*ke device, or want to improve the handling, I strongly recommend Pure Sm*ke Training DVD by George Wilson. It is original made for PS, but everything it teaching can use by Vapr. This DVD not only teach the effects, but also you will learn how to generate sm*ke like real in your hands. George teach his version of show ice cube from empty hand, it is so good. Without this DVD I doubt you can use Vapr effectively and magically.

***** Manual *****

7/10
The manual is very simple. Very well printed.
It covers some important thing you need to know about the device.
But for an electric device it is by far so simple.
Cafť member KyleMarlett on behalf of SansMinds put a troubleshooting PDF as supplement manual which is very useful. Any user of Vapr shall check it out and read it.
You can find his post here http://www.themagiccafe.com/forums/search_post.php?topic=531479&forum=218&post=8180214
Or download file from https://www.dropbox.com/s/s7o6z6az133sl7n/Vapr%20Trouble%20Shooting
If you want to know how long one cartridge can use, or other question, you can find in above file.

***** CARTAIDGE REPLACEMENT ****
One thing is missing from DVD and manual is how to replace cartridge.
It puzzled me when I try doing it. And it puzzled others as well in this forum.
Anyway here is how I do it and it works well:
Hold the heater coil which has round band on it, pull out the green cartridge if it is the first time you replace it. The supplied cartridge is black in its box. Push the new cartridge into heater coil; be careful you shall choose the right end which has an Aluminium foil in it towards heater coil. You can push it gently, slowly but with some strength. And make them tight together.
One tips I would give is next time I change cartridge, I will remove the heat coil first, then do replacement. Reason is heat coil and main body together when pull or push cartridge you may damage it as I stated in warning part.
I do not use any needle or something to break and make a hole of cartridgeís Aluminium foil.

***** QUALITY *****
Official web provide Main Unit/ Vaporizer Replacement 1st year free.(shipment fee shall be on you)
If you want to buy it, strongly recommend you check the dealer does it have one year free replacement.
If not, go somewhere else who has it to buy. Never buy it without this service.
Even with high standard quality control the electric device can go wrong anytime.
From some user feedback here some unit they have not function after charging or short play.
I guess it may due to fault unit or due to the charging issue or heater coil handling I placed at beginning of this review.

My experience is:
I played it for 2 days, charged it twice (not because low battery, but just to test will charging cause problem). Used fully 1 cartridge and replaced new one. So far all are good. Same smoke, same silent level,
I do not know what will happen next. But with one year free replacement what else can go wrong?
If you want to be sure the quality of it is general good, you can wait another 1, 2 month to see how others comment.

***** CONCLUSION*****
Vapr is a very good product. I saw expensive device and cheaper device before, None of them I am willing to carry with me. But with vaprís small main unit, the durable cube, very well made arm band, remoter it is so easy/comfortable to carry and play with whenever you feel the need. And all of them can easily put into a small box/bag if you can find. The handling is so easy, the sm*ke is beautiful. The silent level is within my acceptance range.

It raises the bar of design, good thinking behind a product. And its innovation in some aspect shall definitely be encouraged with open mind. As long as it has good quality and can use for long time, it will be very good. But we do not know yet.

In the end I will not say the words normal reviewer will say for a good productĒ I highly recommend you buy itĒ. NO I not recommend anything. It is your decision, not mine. What I provide is just the insight you may not know before you get it. That is how the review shall be.

I hope the review will help you in some aspect. Like I get lots from all of you. .


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Couldnít agree with you more !!.. thank you for such an in depth review of VAPR.. I really hope all the ďhaterísĒ of VAPR put there will soon try and listen too the honest reviews from people who actually have and perform with VAPR !! :D

best

Marc :D
Message: Posted by: cricketer15 (Dec 9, 2013 07:44AM)
I'm a noob with smoke device, and I ordered vapr should get it within a day or two ( was meant to be last week got delayed) hopefully nothing wrong happens.i believe my dealer did give a warranty. Anyways very helpful review. Btw you mean Gregory Wilson?
Message: Posted by: JamieD (Dec 9, 2013 08:12AM)
I have just received an update on the replacement charger from Sans Minds. They are posting it out today so ill be able to try charging the unit from my mac and see if it makes a difference. Im not gonna lie, its starting to get me down. Looking at this £150 piece of kit that is unusable. The moral dilemma you also have is, Sure I'm protected in terms of being able to get a refund from the magic shop but that will screw over the magic shop. Ive used my local magic shop since I was sixteen and they stock my products. To have to ask for a refund on the unit even though, technically it has nothing to do with them, its awful. Small business are having enough issues at the moment without me having to give them a useless unit to return. This is our industry for you!

Jamie Daws
Message: Posted by: peterger (Dec 9, 2013 08:46AM)
Finally! Thank you Max88 for taking the effort to make an in-depth review of this device. Finally an opinion from somebody who has tested the device!
Message: Posted by: SociallyAwkwardPenguin (Dec 9, 2013 08:47AM)
[quote]
On 2013-12-09 09:12, JamieD wrote:
I have just received an update on the replacement charger from Sans Minds. They are posting it out today so ill be able to try charging the unit from my mac and see if it makes a difference. Im not gonna lie, its starting to get me down. Looking at this £150 piece of kit that is unusable. The moral dilemma you also have is, Sure I'm protected in terms of being able to get a refund from the magic shop but that will screw over the magic shop. Ive used my local magic shop since I was sixteen and they stock my products. To have to ask for a refund on the unit even though, technically it has nothing to do with them, its awful. Small business are having enough issues at the moment without me having to give them a useless unit to return. This is our industry for you!

Jamie Daws
[/quote]

If you have a faulty unit, how will that 'screw over' your shop? They bought it for around £100 wholesale and will get a refund from sansminds.
Message: Posted by: 2012multimagic (Dec 9, 2013 09:03AM)
[quote]
On 2013-12-09 09:46, peterger wrote:
Finally! Thank you Max88 for taking the effort to make an in-depth review of this device. Finally an opinion from somebody who has tested the device!
[/quote]

hey Peterger ,

I have used and performed with my VAPR too, but havenít had the chance too go in depth review as yet !.. but I don't think I could get any better than Max88 anyway lol !!

Mw :D
Message: Posted by: doriancaudal (Dec 9, 2013 12:19PM)
When I start the main unit ON again after it has been OFF, I need to push it once and nothing comes out, and THEN, when pushing a second time, nice and thick smoke comes out. Is it an air issue, I mean, some air needs to be pushed through the tubing to reach the vaporizer, and this needs about 3 seconds, just the time for one push... ?

Does this happen to you, too ?
Message: Posted by: PRINCE (Dec 9, 2013 12:27PM)
Wow what a review - thank you so much, and that my friends is how to give a review.
Message: Posted by: 2012multimagic (Dec 9, 2013 12:28PM)
[quote]
On 2013-12-09 13:19, doriancaudal wrote:
When I start the main unit ON again after it has been OFF, I need to push it once and nothing comes out, and THEN, when pushing a second time, nice and thick smoke comes out. Is it an air issue, I mean, some air needs to be pushed through the tubing to reach the vaporizer, and this needs about 3 seconds, just the time for one push... ?

Does this happen to you, too ?
[/quote]

Hey !

sorry to hear that... my VAPR doesnít do that.. mine has been ďoff positionĒ all day... Iíve just tried it out and got good flow of thick smoke...

does your smoke run good after the first push of button ?

Mw :D
Message: Posted by: WizTom (Dec 9, 2013 12:37PM)
Thank you "MAX88"! Great Review and perfect help!
Message: Posted by: doriancaudal (Dec 9, 2013 12:44PM)
[quote]
On 2013-12-09 13:28, 2012multimagic wrote:

does your smoke run good after the first push of button ?

Mw :D
[/quote]

Yes, perfectly, but only on the second push.
Message: Posted by: max88 (Dec 9, 2013 06:54PM)
[quote]
On 2013-12-09 08:44, cricketer15 wrote:
I'm a noob with smoke device, and I ordered vapr should get it within a day or two ( was meant to be last week got delayed) hopefully nothing wrong happens.i believe my dealer did give a warranty. Anyways very helpful review. Btw you mean Gregory Wilson?
[/quote]

Yes , it is Gregory Wilson Pure Sm*ke training DVD.
Message: Posted by: tomsk192 (Dec 9, 2013 07:16PM)
For the record, gents, this got delivered to me today, and it works just fine. It must be a complete ****ter to have a defective unit. My experience thus far chimes with the positive reviews. Let's hope it stays working for the foreseeable.
Message: Posted by: 2012multimagic (Dec 10, 2013 12:48AM)
[quote]
On 2013-12-09 20:16, tomsk192 wrote:
For the record, gents, this got delivered to me today, and it works just fine. It must be a complete ****ter to have a defective unit. My experience thus far chimes with the positive reviews. Let's hope it stays working for the foreseeable.
[/quote]

Happy days !!!... its awesome ... :D
Message: Posted by: Jeromedamien (Dec 10, 2013 03:03AM)
[quote]
On 2013-12-09 13:19, doriancaudal wrote:
When I start the main unit ON again after it has been OFF, I need to push it once and nothing comes out, and THEN, when pushing a second time, nice and thick smoke comes out. Is it an air issue, I mean, some air needs to be pushed through the tubing to reach the vaporizer, and this needs about 3 seconds, just the time for one push... ?

Does this happen to you, too ?
[/quote]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p85xwZ_OLX0
Message: Posted by: doriancaudal (Dec 10, 2013 05:08AM)
[quote]
On 2013-12-10 04:03, Jeromedamien wrote:
[quote]
On 2013-12-09 13:19, doriancaudal wrote:
When I start the main unit ON again after it has been OFF, I need to push it once and nothing comes out, and THEN, when pushing a second time, nice and thick smoke comes out. Is it an air issue, I mean, some air needs to be pushed through the tubing to reach the vaporizer, and this needs about 3 seconds, just the time for one push... ?

Does this happen to you, too ?
[/quote]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p85xwZ_OLX0

Have you tried turning it off and on again ?
[/quote]

Why would I turn it off as soon as I turned it on ?
Message: Posted by: WizTom (Dec 10, 2013 06:44AM)
How long can I let the cartridge actually be on the heater coil, if "VAPR" is not used?
Should I remove the smoke cartridge for storing prefer or leave it? Got mine today and works perfect out of the Box.
Will play around with it now.
Message: Posted by: doriancaudal (Dec 10, 2013 07:31AM)
I would also be interested to know how long it is possible to let the cartridge on the heater coil, when the device is not used for some days.
Message: Posted by: WizTom (Dec 10, 2013 07:53AM)
"Max88" has already written most of it. Thanks for the great review. Very good help! Now that I've played around with it for a while, I must say that it really is very comfortable to wear. The smoke is nice and thick and long lasting. The battery still holds. Should I load it now? * hmmm * I wait, until the LEDs flash. Only the noise problem is such a thing. Yes, "VAPR" is a bit quieter than, for example, "Pure Smoke", but you can clearly hear in quiet rooms. Let's see what I find in the tool market ... :)
Otherwise, until now a clear recommendation!
Message: Posted by: 2012multimagic (Dec 10, 2013 07:58AM)
[quote]
On 2013-12-10 08:53, WizTom wrote:
"Max88" has already written most of it. Thanks for the great review. Very good help! Now that I've played around with it for a while, I must say that it really is very comfortable to wear. The smoke is nice and thick and long lasting. The battery still holds. Should I load it now? * hmmm * I wait, until the LEDs flash. Only the noise problem is such a thing. Yes, "VAPR" is a bit quieter than, for example, "Pure Smoke", but you can clearly hear in quiet rooms. Let's see what I find in the tool market ... :)
Otherwise, until now a clear recommendation!
[/quote]

so glad to hear more positive reviews , so hopefully those horrid trolls will be eating their own words !!.

.. when your out and about performing... the very small noise will NOT be heard by YOU or YOUR specs.. just go out and enjoy VAPR !!!.. oh I leave my cartridge on the atomiser all the time..

best

Mw :D
Message: Posted by: max88 (Dec 10, 2013 08:24AM)
I think whole Vapr unit is very mobility. The long cube is very durable, it is so soft. I will not cut it otherwise I will lose the ability to put main unit in different position.

If you are in very causal situation or just go around to play, like I wear a jacket has inside pocket on chest level, I just put main unit in that pocket, and all others thing set on hand. Then use the remote to do the work for one hand effect. It is just that easy to play. Or you can put it in shirt pocket if you has more cloth outside.

Just try it guy, there is no device so far can do this setting. You have more freedom. You even no need to do any trick, walk in street, like a child, do whatever you like to make smoke appear in your hand combine with anything you will get or touch.

I finally understand why in one episode marketing video they use a boy to buy it in store, It is not only a tool for Magican, it just can be that easy for a child to carry and play and amaze others. If you have a child, let him/her play it.
Message: Posted by: Xcath1 (Dec 10, 2013 09:00AM)
I got mine, Max88 did say most of it, thank you Max88
Mine works as advertised.

The instructional DVD is terrible in my opinion. There must be some assumptions about peopleís familiarity with previous machines or e-cigs which I have none. I am a middle aged man and read all the other posts so I was able set it up without issue. However, the instructions for use should have had a guy sitting there with all of the components laid out on a table showing how to assemble and disassemble the entire thing in a stepwise fashion. How to insert cartridges etc. Anything less is really not OK for something this expensive. I don't think they did this on the cheap I just think they made poor decisions.

It is noisy. I donít know if it is less noisy than another device or if it is "too" noisy but it is noisy and I believe there will be certain legitimate performing environments where you would like to use it but won't because of the noise. This is not based on experience performing at this point just my opinion after playing with the device. Yes there are ways you can prepare or wrap the main unit and I will indeed have to use one of these techniques because out of the box it is noisy. Also, although obvious to say s, the noise is associated with the smoke production so a ďhumĒ that might otherwise go unnoticed is associated directly with the magic.

In a perfect world, everyone would get to play with this before purchase and make their own decision.
Message: Posted by: cricketer15 (Dec 10, 2013 09:23AM)
Sansmind should shoot the DVD again.
Message: Posted by: WizTom (Dec 10, 2013 03:04PM)
[quote]
...Oh I leave my cartridge on the atomiser all the time..

best

Mw :D
[/quote]

Okay, thank you.
I also store it connected. Can not happen that much... That's what I did with "PS". And - what to do with the cartridge when it's already open ... :)
Message: Posted by: PRINCE (Dec 10, 2013 06:45PM)
You want to continuously leave the cartridge on as you want the heater coil to absorb as much of the liquid as it can - all the time. The moment you start taking it off then on etc could possibly result in either the heater coil drying up or just drying a little, or the components in the cartridge drying up - resulting in weak and whispy smoke.
Message: Posted by: Flyswatter (Dec 10, 2013 07:19PM)
I have finally received mine after waiting for 2 weeks! I've never owned any previous smoke devices so I won't make any comparisons. And no F U PS lovers no F U msv2 lovers. Just fyi I almost bought MSV2 couple years ago, but for some reason didn't, even though I understand people love the device very very much.

Well anyway, I personally thought the DVD did a decent job explaining the components of the device, I don't get how so many people failed to understand it...Not that many effects were taught on the DVD, which is a bummer, but decent enough I guess.

The smoke, unlike certain people have said, was actually quite beautifully thick and long lasting, and smells like some kind of exotic hookah smoke.

The remote and main unit worked fine.

Here's my problem with the device so far.
1) it is certainly not silent, haven't tried it out in a noisey environment yet, but a quiet room definitely will not work. However, I tried playing some music in the background, and then even I couldn't hear anything. So I'm not that concerned if I perform for people.

2)I'm really skinny, and the wrist and arm bands don't really fit me that well...it's kinda loose. I will have to find a way to secure it with some sort of pin or something...

3)No performance tips at all on this DVD. I just got the device and has no experience with smoke at all in the past, I kinda failed at making the smoke appear from my finger tips. So I will have to play around with timing and positioning.

I think those are my problems so far. I see a lot of potential in playing around with Vapr, but definitely not enough yet.

So yeah, here's my 2 cent on the product from 5 hours of playing with it. Oh and, before someone accuses me, yes I'm Chinese, but I have no relation to Will Tsai or SansMind, just sayin. I SWEAR!
Message: Posted by: max88 (Dec 10, 2013 07:50PM)
[quote]
On 2013-12-10 19:45, PRINCE wrote:
You want to continuously leave the cartridge on as you want the heater coil to absorb as much of the liquid as it can - all the time. The moment you start taking it off then on etc could possibly result in either the heater coil drying up or just drying a little, or the components in the cartridge drying up - resulting in weak and whispy smoke.
[/quote]
Thanks for the tips. So I not worry how to handle it. Just let it there.
Message: Posted by: Truth or Dare (Dec 10, 2013 07:58PM)
[quote]
On 2013-12-10 20:19, Flyswatter wrote:

The smoke, unlike certain people have said, was actually quite beautifully thick and long lasting, and smells like some kind of exotic hookah smoke.


[/quote]

Thanks! I just ordered mine!
Message: Posted by: WizTom (Dec 11, 2013 03:12AM)
[quote]
On 2013-12-10 20:50, max88 wrote:
[quote]
On 2013-12-10 19:45, PRINCE wrote:
You want to continuously leave the cartridge on as you want the heater coil to absorb as much of the liquid as it can - all the time. The moment you start taking it off then on etc could possibly result in either the heater coil drying up or just drying a little, or the components in the cartridge drying up - resulting in weak and whispy smoke.
[/quote]
Thanks for the tips. So I not worry how to handle it. Just let it there.

[/quote]

Same here... Thanks! ;-)
Message: Posted by: Bill Hegbli (Dec 11, 2013 03:23AM)
Has anyone tried to put a little thin sponge around the device to dampen the noise factor. Just like computer hard drives, they use sponge to dampen noisy hard drives. Just a thought if anyone has some thing electronic sponge laying around to try. Just cut an opening for the air intake pump.
Message: Posted by: cricketer15 (Dec 11, 2013 03:26AM)
Coming in tomorow, will be able to pick this up finally.
Message: Posted by: 2012multimagic (Dec 11, 2013 11:42AM)
[quote]
On 2013-12-11 04:23, Bill Hegbli wrote:
Has anyone tried to put a little thin sponge around the device to dampen the noise factor. Just like computer hard drives, they use sponge to dampen noisy hard drives. Just a thought if anyone has some thing electronic sponge laying around to try. Just cut an opening for the air intake pump.
[/quote]

Yeah that would probably work , but Iíve been using this for around a week now, and honestly had no noise issue when out and about performing with VAPR.. even only last night when I was in a bar with very few people, the background noise of everyday happenings , muffles out any vibrating noise anyway... the only time I hear the ďnoiseĒ is when Iím in my office, with no background noise.. when will you be in that situation when using the vapr on a spectator ?.. just my opinion.. :D

Marc :D
Message: Posted by: tomsk192 (Dec 11, 2013 11:48AM)
Yep, the noise would be a factor in a Trappist monastery, but at an event or in a bar? I wouldn't anticipate a problem.

One thing to keep in mind: compact as Vapr is, if you use a holdout, you will feel very cluttered with the basic setup. I've thought of a couple of tailored solutions, but I plan on using it elsewhere anyway. Just a thought.
Message: Posted by: Xcath1 (Dec 11, 2013 06:44PM)
Has anyone trid fixing the vaporizer to the sleeve rather than the wrist it seems like this would be more flexible as the sleeve, especially in jacket reds up and down your wrist exposing and then covering the device?
Message: Posted by: 2012multimagic (Dec 12, 2013 04:06AM)
[quote]
On 2013-12-11 19:44, Xcath1 wrote:
Has anyone trid fixing the vaporizer to the sleeve rather than the wrist it seems like this would be more flexible as the sleeve, especially in jacket reds up and down your wrist exposing and then covering the device?
[/quote]

Yup I have.. I have sewn a small pocket in the sleeves of a couple of my jackets.. the atomiser just slides in perfect.. freeís up your wrist movement and the smoke disperses very evenly and right to the finger tips :D

Marc :D
Message: Posted by: cricketer15 (Dec 12, 2013 07:14AM)
Ok day 1, just charged up my vapr and remote, so far so good, smoke coming out properly etc. (used USB charge though, didn't want to risk it as Aus is 240 V). not silent but ok. will be using this tomorow in the streets and see how it goes :)
Message: Posted by: max88 (Dec 12, 2013 07:39AM)
[quote]
On 2013-12-12 08:14, cricketer15 wrote:
Ok day 1, just charged up my vapr and remote, so far so good, smoke coming out properly etc. (used USB charge though, didn't want to risk it as Aus is 240 V). not silent but ok. will be using this tomorow in the streets and see how it goes :)
[/quote]
Good. Tomorrow please share your street experience. So far not so much story yet. Do different type effect if you can and see what people react.
Message: Posted by: doriancaudal (Dec 12, 2013 07:43AM)
[quote]
On 2013-12-12 08:39, max88 wrote:
... and see what people react.
[/quote]

"Where are you hiding your e-cig ?" ;)
Message: Posted by: 2012multimagic (Dec 12, 2013 01:38PM)
[quote]
On 2013-12-12 08:43, doriancaudal wrote:
[quote]
On 2013-12-12 08:39, max88 wrote:
... and see what people react.
[/quote]

"Where are you hiding your e-cig ?" ;)
[/quote]

lol .... well that hasnít happened too me .....





...yet :S:S...
Message: Posted by: Masta Ace (Dec 13, 2013 06:53AM)
I already have Magic Smoke V 2.0 by Illusioncraft, is there any reason I should switch over to Vapr? How does this product compare to that one? I've seen both units, but I guess I am looking for the smaller particulars of Vapr, and how it compares to Smoke 2.0...and if it is worth switching over if I already own a different smoke device?
Message: Posted by: WizTom (Dec 13, 2013 02:52PM)
I just recharged "VAPR" at my computer / USB. The charging has taken about 30 /40 minutes. Works perfectly. I'm excited!
Conclusion: Highly recommended!
Message: Posted by: Danny Kazam (Dec 13, 2013 06:45PM)
[quote]
On 2013-12-13 07:53, Masta Ace wrote:
I already have Magic Smoke V 2.0 by Illusioncraft, is there any reason I should switch over to Vapr? How does this product compare to that one? I've seen both units, but I guess I am looking for the smaller particulars of Vapr, and how it compares to Smoke 2.0...and if it is worth switching over if I already own a different smoke device?
[/quote]

If you are fine using the bulb, then I don't see any reason to change. Having now seen and played with Vapr, and have also owned SmokeV2 for 2 years. I personally prefer Smoke V2. I like the set up I have withbmy jacket that makes moving the bulb to and from my arm pit easily. I also like that I can use SmokeV2 without sleeves.
Message: Posted by: Flyswatter (Dec 13, 2013 06:46PM)
I'm still on my first cartridge...I don't really understand how to replace the cartridge still...do you PULL it out and PUSH it back in? Without twisting?
Message: Posted by: max88 (Dec 13, 2013 07:43PM)
[quote]
On 2013-12-13 19:46, Flyswatter wrote:
I'm still on my first cartridge...I don't really understand how to replace the cartridge still...do you PULL it out and PUSH it back in? Without twisting?
[/quote]

yes it is. See my review two page ago for other tips in case you need charge.
Message: Posted by: Alex DLF (Dec 13, 2013 11:36PM)
There is some noise but you won't be able to hear it in working conditions :) you can hear if you are alone, with really no noise around you.
Message: Posted by: Jacopo (Dec 14, 2013 05:48AM)
[quote]
On 2013-12-14 00:36, Alex DLF wrote:

There is some noise but you won't be able to hear it in working conditions :) you can hear if you are alone, with really no noise around you.
[/quote]

Thanks! I'm looking to buy it! :)
Message: Posted by: cricketer15 (Dec 14, 2013 06:56AM)
I use this on the streets and bars, you can't hear anything. Even in library, the shirt and sleeve covers up a lot of the noise.
Message: Posted by: WizTom (Dec 14, 2013 11:32AM)
Same here. Shirt and Jacket covers the noise good! I also wrapt some black tiny foam around the main unit. Helps!
Message: Posted by: Dentian (Dec 14, 2013 09:04PM)
Just two quick things I've found/confirmed with VAPR:

1. You can charge charge at 240V, I've tried it, no problem. No need to worry about it.
2. If you have cartridges from other smoke devices, you CAN use them with VAPR. In fact, I found that the consistency and thickness of the smoke is equivalent to a VAPR cartridge when I used a Pure Smoke cartridge.
Message: Posted by: cricketer15 (Dec 15, 2013 03:17AM)
Anyone else get some smoke smell sometimes lol? or is it just the heater coil doing that? normal?
Message: Posted by: Ustaad (Dec 15, 2013 05:33AM)
In these 25 pages some good ideas/ discussion/ review(s) have come forth. Said that:-

I humbly feel that the atomizer with its long stiff tube (i.e. the 'atomizer') should not have been placed at one end of the device. This sort of a design will create more of a problem (during performance) for the performer. However with a slight change in the design of the delivery tube (that includes the flexible as well as the atomizer tube) the contraption can be made much easier to use as well as have an added advantage of flexibility while in use. I would therefore suggest that, instead of having the atomizer tube at one end, the atomizer tube should be placed somewhere in the middle with an extra piece of flexible tube attached to the outlet of the atomizer which goes to the palm of the hand.

Just the way I think this device should have been designed. If you like the suggestion - implement it; else just forget about it and continue working with the original device. :) However those who have practically used the Vapr device will agree to my above suggestion and would have realized its advantage(s) over the original design.

Thank you.

:xmas:
Message: Posted by: Dentian (Dec 15, 2013 09:40AM)
Ustaad, that is a valid point, and you can re-model your device to work that way. Simply cut the original tubing down and then add the longer portion of the tubing to the front of the atomizer (feed it into the cartridge). If you don't want to cut your tube, then simply get some additional tubing (I used the one I got from S.S.S by Shin Lim) and feed it into the hole of the cartridge.
Message: Posted by: Tom Cutts (Dec 15, 2013 10:21AM)
I like the thinking but my untested concern would be dripping. The longer the last tube, the greater the chance of internal condensation, which could lead to dripping over time.

Again this theory of mine is totally untested.
Message: Posted by: Danny Kazam (Dec 15, 2013 09:59PM)
Very interresting. I won't say why Vapr is built like that, but if one wants to take your advice, they would be altering it to be more like Smoke V2, but without the electric air pump and remote. Anyone who has ever taken apart an e-cigarette will find that most atomizers are in the cartridge, and the rechargeable battery is what is inside the tube, plus the LED light that lights the end of it when you inhale.

[quote]
On 2013-12-15 06:33, Ustaad wrote:
In these 25 pages some good ideas/ discussion/ review(s) have come forth. Said that:-

I humbly feel that the atomizer with its long stiff tube (i.e. the 'atomizer') should not have been placed at one end of the device. This sort of a design will create more of a problem (during performance) for the performer. However with a slight change in the design of the delivery tube (that includes the flexible as well as the atomizer tube) the contraption can be made much easier to use as well as have an added advantage of flexibility while in use. I would therefore suggest that, instead of having the atomizer tube at one end, the atomizer tube should be placed somewhere in the middle with an extra piece of flexible tube attached to the outlet of the atomizer which goes to the palm of the hand.

Just the way I think this device should have been designed. If you like the suggestion - implement it; else just forget about it and continue working with the original device. :) However those who have practically used the Vapr device will agree to my above suggestion and would have realized its advantage(s) over the original design.

Thank you.

:xmas:
[/quote]
Message: Posted by: Ustaad (Dec 15, 2013 11:10PM)
[quote]
On 2013-12-15 10:40, Dentian wrote:

Ustaad, that is a valid point, and you can re-model your device to work that way. Simply cut the original tubing down and then add the longer portion of the tubing to the front of the atomizer (feed it into the cartridge). If you don't want to cut your tube, then simply get some additional tubing (I used the one I got from S.S.S by Shin Lim) and feed it into the hole of the cartridge.
[/quote]

In my previous post I should have made it clear that I personally do not have Will Tsai's 'Vapr' (but my friend has one and I have played with it enough). I have made my own contraption based on Shin Lim's 'S.S.S' but with certain modifications so as to have greater control over the smoke. Briefly the two modifications are:-

(a) Used a larger size bulb (purchased from DealXtreme, Hong Kong)

(b) Used two detachable plastic snouts (nozzles) with tubing of different diameters attached at the end of the main outlet tube. This helps in controlling the smokes outlet pressure (the larger the diameter of the outlet tubing lesser the outlet pressure & vise-a-versa). Thus one can pump out smoke very smoothly and evenly or blow smoke with a slight force - Well don't you agree that one has a choice there?! :)

My very personal & humble opinion about this kind of a device is that the working method should be simple, easy and smooth but at the same time foolproof; and hence I PERSONALLY prefer Shin Lim's device as against the so called high-tech device by Will Tsai.

Though many have said that the noise level in Will's device is at an acceptable level but I have to humbly disagree with my dear friends. The Smoke Effect, as I perceive, is basically a close-up as well as one-on-one effect and the nose generated by the pump is certainly not at any acceptable level. This becomes slightly more prominent when the battery is fully charged. I certainly do understand the difference between a 'Hum' and 'Vibrating noise' - This is the natural vibrating noise created by the pump. On this I would not like to get into any kind of debate. Thank you.

As for the high-tech part, I personally feel that using a remote is not a necessity when the device is hooked on to one's body, but nevertheless it is a nice add-on if one needs to control the smoke when the device is not placed the body. Somebody had mentioned (I read it here somewhere) that the remote can be activated hands-free by placing it in the sock of one leg and pressing the switch with the help of the other leg. This is certainly a very good idea and I would like to further build on this idea. It would be nice if a tiny Reed Switch could be placed inside the remote and connected in parallel with the remote's switch. Thus one can very easily activate the remote by placing it in the sock of one leg and on the other put a magnet of suitable strength. This just a thought/ idea.

[quote]
On 2013-12-15 11:21, Tom Cutts wrote:

I like the thinking but my untested concern would be dripping. The longer the last tube, the greater the chance of internal condensation, which could lead to dripping over time.

Again this theory of mine is totally untested.
[/quote]

As already mentioned above, I have been using my own contraption based on Shin Lim's method. This IMO is the worst case scenario where the flexible tubing begins from one end (the bulb end) and goes down to the palm. But so far I have never faced the problem of condensing vapor. I have used the device in extreme humid and cold conditions (in WA State) but never found any condensation/ water droplet in or outside the tube. This probably may be due to the vapor being forced out and also due to the small quantity of vapor being generated. So I think one needn't worry about this aspect.

[quote]
On 2013-12-15 22:59, Danny Kazam wrote:

Very interresting. I won't say why Vapr is built like that, but if one wants to take your advice, they would be altering it to be more like Smoke V2, but without the electric air pump and remote.

[b]Anyone who has ever taken apart an e-cigarette will find that most atomizers are in the cartridge, and the rechargeable battery is what is inside the tube, plus the LED light that lights the end of it when you inhale.[/b]
[/quote]

This is exactly how the Shim's S.S.S. has been constructed. IMO, S.S.S. is one of the simplest and most effective device that I have been playing around with (but, of course with my little modifications :)) and is much better than Smoke V2 (i.e. once gain in my personal opinion :)).

I have said what I had to - Just my thoughts - Ideas - Opinion :). I might not come up to answer any further queries in this regard.

Thank you for your time and enjoy your ĎVaprí. ;)

:xmas:
Message: Posted by: 2012multimagic (Dec 16, 2013 01:06AM)
Wow... this thread continues lol... just want too say that my vapr (2/3 weeks owned) is working perfectly ..NO noise issue whats so ever when actually performing with it. Ive sewn a small ďloopí in the side of my sleeve that holds the device (instead of the arm band), it frees up your wrist and seems to elevate the smoke right too the end of your fingers and beyond... :D
Message: Posted by: Stucky (Dec 16, 2013 04:13AM)
Ustaad sure is one "humble" dude.
Message: Posted by: Masta Ace (Dec 16, 2013 06:54AM)
[quote]
On 2013-12-13 19:45, Danny Kazam wrote:
[quote]
On 2013-12-13 07:53, Masta Ace wrote:
I already have Magic Smoke V 2.0 by Illusioncraft, is there any reason I should switch over to Vapr? How does this product compare to that one? I've seen both units, but I guess I am looking for the smaller particulars of Vapr, and how it compares to Smoke 2.0...and if it is worth switching over if I already own a different smoke device?
[/quote]

If you are fine using the bulb, then I don't see any reason to change. Having now seen and played with Vapr, and have also owned SmokeV2 for 2 years. I personally prefer Smoke V2. I like the set up I have withbmy jacket that makes moving the bulb to and from my arm pit easily. I also like that I can use SmokeV2 without sleeves.
[/quote]

Ok, great, thank you for the reply.
Message: Posted by: Danny Kazam (Dec 16, 2013 08:59AM)
Ustaad, I always admire your honesty of opinion. I have also appreciated the time you have given to me in answering my questions throughout the years.

Masta Ace, no problem. Glad to share my opinion :)
Message: Posted by: Ustaad (Dec 16, 2013 06:32PM)
Dear Danny Kazam, Thank you so much for the kind words. I always look forward to reading your very well written thoughts here on the Cafť.

Thank you.

Best regards,

Narendra

:xmas:
Message: Posted by: ftlum (Dec 17, 2013 11:59AM)
[quote]
On 2013-12-15 06:33, Ustaad wrote:
In these 25 pages some good ideas/ discussion/ review(s) have come forth. Said that:-

I humbly feel that the atomizer with its long stiff tube (i.e. the 'atomizer') should not have been placed at one end of the device. This sort of a design will create more of a problem (during performance) for the performer. However with a slight change in the design of the delivery tube (that includes the flexible as well as the atomizer tube) the contraption can be made much easier to use as well as have an added advantage of flexibility while in use. I would therefore suggest that, instead of having the atomizer tube at one end, the atomizer tube should be placed somewhere in the middle with an extra piece of flexible tube attached to the outlet of the atomizer which goes to the palm of the hand.

Just the way I think this device should have been designed. If you like the suggestion - implement it; else just forget about it and continue working with the original device. :) However those who have practically used the Vapr device will agree to my above suggestion and would have realized its advantage(s) over the original design.

Thank you.

:xmas:
[/quote]

Seems like this would introduce a tiny delay between when you activate the device and when the smoke gets out. Please let us know if you end up getting a Vapr and trying that.
Message: Posted by: chriswiehl (Dec 17, 2013 12:49PM)
Some good things mentioned here. the loop in the sleeve may help with some little problems that I would forsee with the gimmick. It would also be neat to try out the extension tube to allow the atomizer to be deeper in the sleeve, though the condensation may affect the performance (if any is made). I may be starting a new consistant gig, and this would be a fantastic addition.
Message: Posted by: daffydoug (Dec 17, 2013 01:44PM)
I think it's time to save up my pennies. I can just see the difference this would make with my haunted doll effect.
Message: Posted by: ftlum (Dec 17, 2013 02:54PM)
I see a fair amount of people concerned about the noise.
I'd recommend they check out Dan Sylvester's Pocket Volcano. It's essentially inaudible. There can be some slight crackling at the very beginning (when the atomizer is heating up) depending on how much fluid you put on the atomizer, but it's even hard to hear that.

I bought one fairly early on, so at least back then it was a bit bulky. I'll bet Dan has been able to make these a bit more compact since then. It's hand crafted, so it won't be as sexy as these new gizmos, but it puts out much more smoke than anything else out there-- none of this wispy stuff. Dan makes the atomizers himself (they're not e-cigs), so it puts out loads of smoke that you could see at stage distances (he's got some demo videos you can check out). It is a bit more expensive, but totally worth it IMHO.

http://www.sylvesterthejester.com/merch.html
http://www.youtube.com/v/6g6vS-YRG3Q&autoplay=1&showinfo=0&modestbranding=1&autohide=1

For people looking for more performance ideas, you should look at Greg Wilson's DVD for Pure Smoke.
Message: Posted by: daffydoug (Dec 17, 2013 03:09PM)
Thanks for the links. I'm about going crazy trying to think of a way to come up with the money to purchase at least one smoke device to take my magic to the proverbial "next level.
Message: Posted by: daffydoug (Dec 17, 2013 03:12PM)
All kinds of ideas going through my head! Put your hand behind a young child's head, and smoke appears from that place. "You're too young to smoke!"
Message: Posted by: cricketer15 (Dec 18, 2013 12:59AM)
How come the main unit battery dies even if it's off? Eg I fully charge it 2 days ago turn it off, didn't use it opened it today and the battery dead. Is this normal?
Message: Posted by: PRINCE (Dec 18, 2013 03:33AM)
That's the way rechargeable batteries work unfortunately
Message: Posted by: Ustaad (Dec 18, 2013 05:54AM)
[quote]
On 2013-12-18 04:33, PRINCE wrote:

That's the way rechargeable batteries work unfortunately
[/quote]

Yes.

:xmas:
Message: Posted by: Kiritani (Dec 18, 2013 06:51AM)
For those interested, I created a thread over in "you oughta be..." demonstrating an application for this very device.
Hope you like it!
[url]www.themagiccafe.com/forums/viewtopic.php?topic=536533&forum=217&0[/url]
Message: Posted by: max88 (Dec 18, 2013 07:09AM)
[quote]
On 2013-12-18 01:59, cricketer15 wrote:
How come the main unit battery dies even if it's off? Eg I fully charge it 2 days ago turn it off, didn't use it opened it today and the battery dead. Is this normal?
[/quote]
I just checked my unit which has put no use for four days. And the last charge was more than week ago. It function very well.

Either you have problem with unit or you not actually switch off. I suggest you charge again and make sure it switches off put for two days then see what happen.

One tip for all vapr user, the switch off position is hard to remember for both main and remoter. The easiest way is the position close to USB port is the off position.
Message: Posted by: doriancaudal (Dec 18, 2013 07:16AM)
I received mine 10 days ago, and even using it everyday, I did not have to recharge it yet. So your unit may have a problem... not sure, but it seems so.

As for remembering the position for the switch, I have a put 2 stickers "O - I", one on the remote and one on the main unit, so I don't have to worry to remember / wonder if the apparatus in on or off.
Message: Posted by: cricketer15 (Dec 18, 2013 07:31AM)
[quote]
On 2013-12-18 08:09, max88 wrote:
[quote]
On 2013-12-18 01:59, cricketer15 wrote:
How come the main unit battery dies even if it's off? Eg I fully charge it 2 days ago turn it off, didn't use it opened it today and the battery dead. Is this normal?
[/quote]
I just checked my unit which has put no use for four days. And the last charge was more than week ago. It function very well.

Either you have problem with unit or you not actually switch off. I suggest you charge again and make sure it switches off put for two days then see what happen.

One tip for all vapr user, the switch off position is hard to remember for both main and remoter. The easiest way is the position close to USB port is the off position.
[/quote]

actually I think I may have turn the switch on to the remote on side only, which I thought was the off side, that could have been the problem. anyhow I made sure its the off side thsi time, will check again.
Message: Posted by: Jacopo (Dec 18, 2013 01:59PM)
I have bought VAPR yesterday. Today the package was shipped to me! I will inform you when I will receive the package and I will write my review. thank you for the previous reviews that helped me with purchase.
Message: Posted by: close_up_act (Dec 18, 2013 10:37PM)
I'm loving this...was skeptical at first but very happy with my purchase...produces nice thick smoke... the demo is on point... picking this up for a friend too (christmas gift)...if your on the fence about this, go ahead and hope over... got mine at a discount too (15% off) at http://www.bobsolarimagic.com


Junior :)
Message: Posted by: daffydoug (Dec 19, 2013 09:12AM)
This has now become a must have for me. My brain is going in a thousand places where I imagine I could put it to use. I'm busted, but am racking my brains to come up with the 180 bucks, because my magician's gut tells me it will be well worth it.

When you think about it, besides making objects float, what is the ONE THING that says "magician" to any spectator? The answer is, in my mind, being able to produce smoke from your bare hands. Some will probably think you are the devil incarnate, but live with it.

I can't think of another effect that even comes close impact-wise.

Perhaps the production of fire, but that always comes with the dangers inherent in fire magic, and sometimes a person can get in trouble because of fire laws.

But smoke can give you the same impact without the danger or stigma associated with fire effects.

They say "where there's smoke, there's fire", but with Vapr, this old adage is proven wrong!
Message: Posted by: max88 (Dec 19, 2013 09:27AM)
[quote]
On 2013-12-19 10:12, daffydoug wrote:
This has now become a must have for me. My brain is going in a thousand places where I imagine I could put it to use. I'm busted, but am racking my brains to come up with the 180 bucks, because my magician's gut tells me it will be well worth it.
When you think about it, besides making objects float, what is the ONE THING that says "magician" to any spectator? The answer is, in my mind, being able to produce smoke from your bare hands. Some will probably think you are the devil incarnate, but live with it.
I can't think of another effect that even comes close impact-wise.
Perhaps the production of fire, but that always comes with the dangers inherent in fire magic, and sometimes a person can get in trouble because of fire laws.
But smoke can give you the same impact without the danger or stigma associated with fire effects.
They say "where there's smoke, there's fire", but with Vapr, this old adage is proven wrong!
[/quote]

If your place is winter now and have big snow. Then just grab the snow make a ball in hand. suddenly your hand has smoke out because of snow melt. And open your hand maybe a real white ball there.
Message: Posted by: daffydoug (Dec 19, 2013 12:11PM)
Yeah! The possibilities are TRULY limited only by your imagination!

I remember many years ago when Paul Harris came out with "Portable Smoke".

Yeah, it's pretty sick, but I was working at a fiberglass factory. Whenever I wanted a break from the press I was working on, I simply caused smoke to come out of the machine, and they would shut it down and call in maintenance to take the machine apart to see why it was smoking!†

Oddly, they never could find the cause, (to their frustration) but I got a lot of free breaks that way!†

Yeah I'm evil. I know. :devilish:†
Message: Posted by: Fire Starter (Dec 19, 2013 12:45PM)
[quote]
On 2013-12-19 13:11, daffydoug wrote:
Yeah! The possibilities are TRULY limited only by your imagination!

I remember many years ago when Paul Harris came out with "Portable Smoke".

Yeah, it's pretty sick, but I was working at a fiberglass factory. Whenever I wanted a break from the press I was working on, I simply caused smoke to come out of the machine, and they would shut it down and call in maintenance to take the machine apart to see why it was smoking!†

Oddly, they never could find the cause, (to their frustration) but I got a lot of free breaks that way!†

Yeah I'm evil. I know. :devilish:†
[/quote]
Whenever I wanted a break from the press I was working on, I simply caused smoke to come out of the machine, and they would shut it down and call in maintenance to take the machine apart to see why it was smoking!

Oddly, they never could find the cause, (to their frustration) but I got a lot of free breaks that way!

I love that ,will have to try that at work,lol.
Message: Posted by: daffydoug (Dec 19, 2013 06:55PM)
Yeah. It was a kind of perverse satisfaction. Those poor blokes from maintenance were literally scratching their heads! "We can't find ANYTHNG!" "It seems to be fine!"

Then a couple hours later, the machine would mysteriously smoke again.

I was like a cat toying with a mouse.

So they would tear apart the machine again, and I would be in the breakroom enjoying a Coke.

Isn't the art of magic WONDERFUL?
Message: Posted by: Ustaad (Dec 20, 2013 12:10AM)
[quote]
On 2013-12-18 08:09, max88 wrote:
[quote]
On 2013-12-18 01:59, cricketer15 wrote:
How come the main unit battery dies even if it's off? Eg I fully charge it 2 days ago turn it off, didn't use it opened it today and the battery dead. Is this normal?
[/quote]
I just checked my unit which has put no use for four days. And the last charge was more than week ago. It function very well.

Either you have problem with unit or you not actually switch off. I suggest you charge again and make sure it switches off put for two days then see what happen.

One tip for all vapr user, the switch off position is hard to remember for both main and remoter. The easiest way is the position close to USB port is the off position.
[/quote]

Regarding rechargeable batteries I would like to clarify that one can never predict the quantum of charge available or the life of rechargeable batteries. Even your so called fully charged battery can become suddenly dead during performance.

The Vapr has three independent rechargeable batteries i.e. one each in the air pump cum RC receiver unit, in the e-Cig and in the RC transmitter. The battery in the RC transmitter is of little significance as there is a manual switch made available to activate the smoke unit. But if either of the batteries in the smoke unit malfunctions during performance you are doomed. Hence I feel that, although a rechargeable battery has its own advantages (i.e in saving on replacing of batteries as well as its small size with respect to high Ampere Hour rating which certainly helps in making the device size small), but in magic it is more of a disadvantage (due to its unpredictable characteristic of abruptly loosing its charge). However use of such batteries in magic depends on ones own will to accept/ take such risks.

Also in the Vapr device one cannot easily replace the dead/ defective battery due to the units sealed construction. [b]I also presume[/b] that the three rechargeable batteries used are nonstandard batteries.

[b]However, except for the inherent drawback (with regards to magic) of the rechargeable batteries, a lot of thought has been given in designing, constructing and quality control of the smoke device. I feel Vapr will give you trouble free service for a long time. For the price, one rarely sees such quality magic prop.[/b]

:xmas:
Message: Posted by: Sean Giles (Dec 20, 2013 02:33AM)
I've used devices, phones etc. with rechargable built-in batteries for years and I've never had a problem, so I'm not sure that it's much of an issue.

best,
Sean
Message: Posted by: Magicmike221 (Dec 20, 2013 03:18AM)
I take the unit would reside in a pocket? as opposed to the older smoke unit worn on the body somewhere?
Message: Posted by: cricketer15 (Dec 20, 2013 03:29AM)
Turns out I left it on the remote only side instead of off side Lol, back to working as intended again.
Message: Posted by: daffydoug (Dec 20, 2013 11:52AM)
I want this badly. From all I've read on the thread, you could really smoke people's mind with this.
Message: Posted by: Godzilla (Dec 20, 2013 11:16PM)
My Daughter playing with her,Vapr... :)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2cXDgFwE13g
Message: Posted by: FSM (Dec 21, 2013 01:52AM)
Just my two cents worth. This is just one man's opinion on a product that he's recently received. I don't want backlash from anyone.
I received VAPR yesterday. I watched the tutorial DVD twice before unpacking. I did have to call my supplier (Murphy's Magic) once for some clarification on how to change the cartridge. The DVD did not address this properly.
After some instruction on this matter (thank you, David), I had it under control. From there, I had a lot of fun with this product. I've been apprehensive in the past in regards to buying a smoke utility device. This was a birthday present and because of that I was very excited because I thought someone had "gotten it right".
After playing with it for 24 hours I am still convinced that this is a nice product. Right out of the box the machine produced a nice billow of smoke. I cannot compare it to other products because I have never played with others. However, it suits my needs perfectly. If other products produce bigger billows of smoke, then so be it. VAPR does a fine job for me. I don't want to get into the 'this v. that' non-sense. I want to enjoy what I have.
So, I showed the product to my girlfriend. She loved it; though she could "hear it", just like I could. We were in a VERY quiet house. Nothing going on. I tried speaking through the effect. Neither of us thought it was "perfect", though we could both live with it. I decided it was time to build a muffler.
I saw on this thread (sorry, but I don't know from whom), a person who built a muffler. I would do that. So, after a bit of modification with some pipe insulation, I had the perfect answer. It was silent.
So, in closing: you know how this device works. I can't expound any more on that. That has been exhausted. You are going to buy it or you aren't. But, from this one man's opinion, the product lives up to it's claims. It is small. It is effective. Time will tell if it is well-built. If you are a "real-world" worker, chances are it will be great. If you are an amateur that only does close-up for friends and/or family in a near-silent situation, you have one of two options: build a muffler, or ditch it.
P.S. Stop this fighting bulls**t. Magic is supposed to fun.
Message: Posted by: Stucky (Dec 21, 2013 01:56AM)
[quote]
P.S. Stop this fighting BS. Magic is supposed to fun.
[/quote]

NOW someone tells me...
Message: Posted by: 2012multimagic (Dec 21, 2013 02:02AM)
Nearly 3 weeks in, and from a serious amount of usage... (dec gigís)..well...

...its working PERFECTLY...as it was it was from day one... noise ?? MEH !... seriously guys... if you are actually out there , performing ...this really shouldnít be an issue to you... but if ur staying in showing your GFís/BFís... then yeah.. that naughty (very discreet) vibrating buzz may be heard..even exciting for some :P ...

.... :D
Message: Posted by: daffydoug (Dec 21, 2013 09:24AM)
I like the idea with pipe insulation. I'll keep that in mind. (If ever get the bucks to get Vapr!)
Message: Posted by: Chessmann (Dec 23, 2013 12:40AM)
Mine will be coming this week, but have a question.

If desired, is it possible to switch out the actual unit that produces the smoke, using the same tubes and switch/remote device?

For example, buying an e-cigarette and using that instead of the piece currently connected to the tubing?

TIA ~
Message: Posted by: tenjin (Dec 23, 2013 02:54AM)
I received mine a couple of weeks ago. I didn't have the time to fully devote myself to test the device as much as I wanted but here's my 2 cents:
It is well made, the smoke in itself is good and thick depending on how you use it. It makes noise but as others said, we can either use it in non-silent spots or hide the noisy part of Vapr in our back pocket or other place.

I have a couple of issues with it however. First is the smell. It is called Vapr so why does it smell like there's a fire starting somewhere? Do other Vapr users have the same issue? It really smell like burnt paper. So for my Ice routine it is a bit strange to smell like something was on fire but, hey, here's ice. Well I made that part of the routine but still it's not convenient to have any kind of smell. I am also wondering about the purpose of the blue light while in action... it's stupid and restrict the use of some sleeves if they are white or too thin.

My other issue is the lack of quick burst of smoke. When you just click the device to generate smoke it creates smoke for 3 seconds. It is a bit too much for some of my routines. I wish I could just create a 1 second burst of smoke so people just see a bit of it, wondering if they really saw some smoke! With 3 seconds, it's like a volcano making the smoke really obvious. Yeah I know it's the purpose of the device but let's face it, sometimes you just want to be subtle.

All in all it's a nice gimmick but it's far from perfect.
Message: Posted by: cricketer15 (Dec 23, 2013 03:24AM)
[quote]
On 2013-12-23 03:54, tenjin wrote:
I received mine a couple of weeks ago. I didn't have the time to fully devote myself to test the device as much as I wanted but here's my 2 cents:
It is well made, the smoke in itself is good and thick depending on how you use it. It makes noise but as others said, we can either use it in non-silent spots or hide the noisy part of Vapr in our back pocket or other place.

I have a couple of issues with it however. First is the smell. It is called Vapr so why does it smell like there's a fire starting somewhere? Do other Vapr users have the same issue? It really smell like burnt paper. So for my Ice routine it is a bit strange to smell like something was on fire but, hey, here's ice. Well I made that part of the routine but still it's not convenient to have any kind of smell. I am also wondering about the purpose of the blue light while in action... it's stupid and restrict the use of some sleeves if they are white or too thin.

My other issue is the lack of quick burst of smoke. When you just click the device to generate smoke it creates smoke for 3 seconds. It is a bit too much for some of my routines. I wish I could just create a 1 second burst of smoke so people just see a bit of it, wondering if they really saw some smoke! With 3 seconds, it's like a volcano making the smoke really obvious. Yeah I know it's the purpose of the device but let's face it, sometimes you just want to be subtle.

All in all it's a nice gimmick but it's far from perfect.
[/quote]

my one had the same smell issue as you as mentioned in a few comments ago. need to check again to be sure.
Message: Posted by: daffydoug (Dec 23, 2013 08:32AM)
I haven't purchased, but I'm curious if the blue light issue can be solved by covering it with a piece of duct tape?
Message: Posted by: max88 (Dec 23, 2013 10:16AM)
[quote]
On 2013-12-23 09:32, daffydoug wrote:
I haven't purchased, but I'm curious if the blue light issue can be solved by covering it with a piece of duct tape?
[/quote]
The blue light is used to indicate it working properly or not. Also it also used to decide when need to charge or it is full of charge.
Actually I found it is very beautiful blue light.

To cover it, due to the above purpose I will not recommend you use tape. It can easily use some soft staff like small piece of cloth or napkin with a rubber band to tight
to cover it and easy to remove.
Message: Posted by: daffydoug (Dec 23, 2013 10:24AM)
Did someone say earlier in the thread that Bob Solari was selling Vapr at a discount?
Message: Posted by: itsupyoursleeve (Dec 23, 2013 06:33PM)
Having trawled through 26 pages of good, bad and indifferent reviews there doesn't seem to be anyone talking about performance tips and ideas. Is there a separate thread for this does anyone know?

PS mine works fine and I'm more than happy with it!
Message: Posted by: cricketer15 (Dec 24, 2013 04:27AM)
[quote]
On 2013-12-23 09:32, daffydoug wrote:
I haven't purchased, but I'm curious if the blue light issue can be solved by covering it with a piece of duct tape?
[/quote]

The blue light is good. It shows that it is working lol. Unless you plan to wear ultra white shirt then yeah, only then you would consider to cover it up. Otherwise it's not noticeable. If you haven't owned any smoke device then I highly recommend you get vapr as it is a very nicely made, portable smoke device. I have owned this for just over 3 weeks and am loving it. Will definately be using more in winter (summer here in Aus and it's like really hot so rarely wear long shirts and jackets. (Mostly used indoors, bars etc Atm), did once on the streets but Sydney weather has been real hot lately.
Message: Posted by: TomSwirly (Dec 24, 2013 11:20PM)
Well, I just got the unit.

I didn't expect it to be quiet - I didn't expect it to be as noisy as this, a sort of high-pitched whine. I have music on and I can still hear it clearly - it sounds like a cell phone going off, maybe not on full, but even under my arm, under a heavy jacket, it's perfectly audible.

I tend to do magic pretty close to people, often in restaurants or offices - I'm wondering if this will work for me. I'm sure it'd work in a bar, but I can't see it working anywhere else.

Rather a disappointment - if they hadn't hyped the "silent" operation so much I'd have been more realistic - or, quite likely, I might not have bought it in the first place.

Does it get better once it gets broken in? Could mine be defective somehow?
Message: Posted by: max88 (Dec 24, 2013 11:40PM)
Tom I think you need to replace it with your dealer. The sounds not high like you described. Only in full quite place can heard if you put it in cloth.
Message: Posted by: A Birthday Magician (Dec 25, 2013 03:36AM)
I like Vapr..and have been using it in a few of my routines....very easy to use but...does it add to the routine...in my opinion...no....my routines have been honed over many years and are strong close-up effects...adding smoke is cool but I don't think the spectator cares...I will continue to use it because it is novel and fun...but would I buy the replacements...mmmm....don't think so
Message: Posted by: LeoC-Coins (Dec 25, 2013 08:38AM)
Hi
Vapr is awesome and definitely the most practical for working on the market. However when I use mine I'm not too sure of the noise it makes. I expected the buzzing from the end yet there is also a bit of a rattle-y sound. I know that this will be covered in working conditions but just wanted to double check to make sure that I shouldnt get it looked at.

Thanks

Leo
Message: Posted by: TomSwirly (Dec 25, 2013 12:14PM)
> Seems like this would introduce a tiny delay between when you activate the device and when the smoke gets out.

There's already a two second delay between activating the device and smoke coming out...
Message: Posted by: daffydoug (Dec 25, 2013 01:46PM)
I remember when Copperfield restored a Honus Wagner (sp?) rare baseball card years ago. He put the card flat between his hands, smoke appeared and the card was shown in mint condition again.

I just don't think the impact of the effect would have been the same if the smoke hadn't been produced.

The smoke was the finishing touch.
Message: Posted by: djurmann (Dec 25, 2013 03:19PM)
Here's a bit of fun....not necessarily a magic trick but great for Halloween.

Take a champagne flute, half fill it with champagne. fill the remainder with VAPR - it lasts really well and doesn't effect the taste of the wine :)
Message: Posted by: daffydoug (Dec 25, 2013 06:52PM)
How long does the smoke remain in the champagne glass?
Message: Posted by: PendletonThe3rd (Dec 26, 2013 01:32AM)
Finally got to open mine for xmas..I love it! Quality product, well packaged, well thought out, practical, and on and on.

Also much more silent than expected after reading all these posts. Sure, there is some sound but easily covered....and I'm not in working environments either as Im a hobbyist so no issue there....just a slight buzz and a bit of crackle here and there (not sure if this is what Leo above is referring to?) but no biggie either way.

Smoke is great, a bit thinner than expected but still great (don't get me wrong, it's plenty visible). And to be fair, the thickness also depends on the charge, the cartridge, as well as how long you activate the device for. Indeed often times, I do get a nice thick nimbus of a puff.

Other than that, I will say that though the instructions are well done (DVD and manual), it could have been a bit more comprehensive (cartridge replacement). Yet, the device is pretty intuitive so part of it could be me just over thinking it.

All in all, this is a great item. And definitely prefer this over MagicSmoke2 which I had some experience with as well.
Message: Posted by: kenny kadabra (Dec 26, 2013 03:43AM)
Hi, got it from 'santa'....
It's magic !!!!
The 'rattling' from the cartridge, mentioned earlier occurs if you don't replace it properly..i.e. Push it firmly home!( only found out, because I did it )...damn.
Anyhoo..once working, I found it really quiet in an ordinary setting, ( not a library).
I could have done with a little more silicone, however, as I am placing it in my trouser pocket...cos I don't like the 'bulge' in my arm., also it keeps it a lot quieter !!.
Had great fun at xmas dinner, filling champagne flute with 'smoke'.holding a ' damaged' pressie.( kindle)..and watching their eyes pop as the circuit board was melting, and giving off a lot of 'smoke'..
Lighting up a cigar without the aid of a lighter...
Lifting up my budweiser and letting rip about how 'cold' it was..etc, etc..
Great fun all day, only used one cartridge (once I found out how it attached), and only had to charge it once all day long !!
All in all, agreat 'fun' device, as well as enhancing my magic, (changing cards, vanishing coins) etc..
Real talking point.
Cheers guys,
Have a great new year.
Kenny
Message: Posted by: djurmann (Dec 26, 2013 04:41AM)
[quote]
On 2013-12-25 19:52, daffydoug wrote:
How long does the smoke remain in the champagne glass?
[/quote]

Well I didn't time it but long enough that you could fill a tray of glasses and hand them to people :) The smoke is heavy so it sits in the glass and the fluting keeps the smoke in to some extent.

It doesn't work as well with a mug (I tried)
Message: Posted by: max88 (Dec 26, 2013 05:17AM)
[quote]
On 2013-12-26 05:41, djurmann wrote:
[quote]
On 2013-12-25 19:52, daffydoug wrote:
How long does the smoke remain in the champagne glass?
[/quote]
Well I didn't time it but long enough that you could fill a tray of glasses and hand them to people :) The smoke is heavy so it sits in the glass and the fluting keeps the smoke in to some extent.
It doesn't work as well with a mug (I tried)
[/quote]
how you fill smoke in? put half wine than find a place no one watch and fill it in? after that do you need to cover it or just bring to crowd?
Message: Posted by: djurmann (Dec 26, 2013 11:18AM)
Find a place with no one watching and fill it. Then bring it through...depending how fast you are covering might help.

I did try filling a glass subtly but could not find a way that I was happy with.
Message: Posted by: Jacopo (Dec 26, 2013 05:51PM)
I have found a new review on youtube!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JjYfdjwu_Dc
Message: Posted by: rasp (Dec 26, 2013 06:53PM)
Thanks Jacopo. It was good to hear the sound the unit makes, after reading about the concerns that some people have.
Message: Posted by: LeoC-Coins (Dec 27, 2013 05:44AM)
Yep, I can see where I am going wrong now (not placing the cartridge on firm enough. Thanks!)

Is there a separate thread devoted to Vapr effects and ideas?

cheers

Leo
Message: Posted by: daffydoug (Dec 27, 2013 08:31AM)
Man, I want this so FREAKIN' bad! Especially after reading Kenny's creative post!
Message: Posted by: Chessmann (Dec 27, 2013 03:00PM)
Let my check something re: noise with my just-arrived "Vapr" with some of you current owners, if I may.

I am very please with the smoke, and the perceived quality and durability of the kit.

My issue is noise in the main unit (the piece that has the 3-position switch). I would love to get your reactions to see if mine is on par with normal, or louder than normal. Don't want to go through the bother of exchanging it if mine is on par with "normal".

- I tested it in a standard bedroom, silent environment (yes, I know most have said they wouldn't perform it in a silent environment - I'm not testing environments, but unit noise comparisons).

- when I held it in my hand, about 18 inches from my face, the amount of noise surprised me. "That's louder than I anticipated."

- I put it in my back pocket (jeans) and tried it. Easily too much noise to perform for someone. Not "loud", but easily noticeable.

- left it in my back pocket and turned on the radio, moderate volume. Better, but still would not risk performing it for anyone.

- also noticed a slight sizzling type of sound coming from the cartridge unit. Assuming this is normal. Not a concern to me, unless there should be NO noise (as this would indicate a defective piece).

I am certain that Vapr wouldn't be a problem in many public places, or many places that are outside, as has been said here.

But to other owners, do my bullet points lead you to suspect my unit has a normal amount of noise, or above average noise?

Thank you in advance ~
Message: Posted by: ftlum (Dec 27, 2013 04:25PM)
All atomizers are going to have a crackling sound as the liquid heats up. eCigarettes do this too.
Message: Posted by: djurmann (Dec 27, 2013 05:37PM)
Please see my answers below:

On 2013-12-27 16:00, Chessmann wrote:
Let my check something re: noise with my just-arrived "Vapr" with some of you current owners, if I may.

I am very please with the smoke, and the perceived quality and durability of the kit.

My issue is noise in the main unit (the piece that has the 3-position switch). I would love to get your reactions to see if mine is on par with normal, or louder than normal. Don't want to go through the bother of exchanging it if mine is on par with "normal".

- I tested it in a standard bedroom, silent environment (yes, I know most have said they wouldn't perform it in a silent environment - I'm not testing environments, but unit noise comparisons).

- when I held it in my hand, about 18 inches from my face, the amount of noise surprised me. "That's louder than I anticipated." YEP

- I put it in my back pocket (jeans) and tried it. Easily too much noise to perform for someone. Not "loud", but easily noticeable. YEP

- left it in my back pocket and turned on the radio, moderate volume. Better, but still would not risk performing it for anyone. YEP (depending on moderate.....I performed in a dinner party - 6 people, no one heard a thing)

- also noticed a slight sizzling type of sound coming from the cartridge unit. Assuming this is normal. YEP

I am certain that Vapr wouldn't be a problem in many public places, or many places that are outside, as has been said here.

But to other owners, do my bullet points lead you to suspect my unit has a normal amount of noise, or above average noise? NORMAL.

-------------------

Hope that helps,

Danny
Message: Posted by: max88 (Dec 27, 2013 11:02PM)
The noise is normal as you heard. Just check out the youtube video post up in this page by others, if you hear the same noise as it from video, then it is normal.
Message: Posted by: Chessmann (Dec 27, 2013 11:40PM)
Excellent. Thanks to you all - exactly what I needed to know. I'm definitely 'on par'.

*Much* appreciated.
Message: Posted by: guinelli (Dec 28, 2013 06:14AM)
I have to say I am very pleased with Sansminds' service. I was one of the early buyers and one of the few with a defective unit, that has been replaced now without any problem. I was impressed with the technique and quality of detail when it did not produce smoke (LOL) but now I can say it is really great.

The only consideration I am making is that the smoke that I used to produce with my old Magic Smoke 2 is projected pretty far between my hands, but the VAPR unit does not have that power and lets the smoke out relatively close to the exit of the tube...so the back of the hands.

Any experiences or thoughts on this?
Message: Posted by: daffydoug (Dec 30, 2013 10:01PM)
I notice a lot of folks mention the noise issue. but someone earlier in the thread mentioned covering it with pipe insulation. That sounds like a reasonable solution that would solve the problem.
Message: Posted by: Yann SICAMOIS (Jan 1, 2014 06:08AM)
I ordered and received mine directly from SM and it works like a charm. The Latte deck is great too.
Message: Posted by: daffydoug (Jan 1, 2014 05:59PM)
Latte deck?
Message: Posted by: Montana76 (Jan 2, 2014 02:06PM)
Does anyone know for sure that the charger will not fry my unit? I am in Norway, Europe.
Message: Posted by: rasp (Jan 2, 2014 04:02PM)
I would suggest just using the usb to charge, then you should not have any concerns.
Message: Posted by: VernonOnCoins (Jan 2, 2014 04:42PM)
How is everyone using their Vapr? This is easy to abuse so I find it better to limit myself to a few uses per event.
Using mine with Torched and Restored.
Message: Posted by: Montana76 (Jan 2, 2014 04:44PM)
It is far noisier than I expected.. any way to suppress the sound?
Message: Posted by: WizTom (Jan 3, 2014 09:52AM)
At the moment I am experimenting with acoustic foam. Maybe it helps. I also had a performance at Christmas, but my niece has heard the "Vibrate". I could distract her a bit, otherwise in the "Close Up" area it will be really difficult. Or I turn the music so loud that I can't hear myself any more. Which makes no sense.
Message: Posted by: cricketer15 (Jan 5, 2014 11:57PM)
[quote]
On 2014-01-01 18:59, daffydoug wrote:
Latte deck?
[/quote]

have you bought vapr yet daffy? get it its pretty good
Message: Posted by: daffydoug (Jan 6, 2014 12:39AM)
It's at the top of my list, but I currently have no income, so I'm holding back because my meager savings have to go toward food. Looks like I have to choose between eating and "smoking," so Vapr has to wait.

But I still want it BADLY.
Message: Posted by: brody (Jan 6, 2014 11:29AM)
Does anyone know where to get more tubing?
Message: Posted by: ThatsCool (Jan 7, 2014 09:21PM)
[quote]
On 2013-11-06 17:06, johndevacmaker wrote:
I was also burned by Will Tsai and no Sean he doesn't deserve a second chance
Your a great one to defend him after the way you slaughtered Cobra magics White Board
Double standards come to mind
[/quote]

What was said about this?
Message: Posted by: lightman (Jan 7, 2014 11:18PM)
I cannot believe the reactions I get with this thing. I bought it because I love gadgets and wanted it for my collection (I do mostly mentalism) but now I am developing a split personality and find myself drifting back to magic. Just yesterday, I tried a spoon bend and revealed the bent spoon in a cloud of smoke; definitely a magic trick but, WOW what a reaction. So now I want to go back to coin vanishes.

About the sound, I can hear mine working plain as day in the kitchen but it's not really a problem when performing in a pub or a restaurant.

Eric
Message: Posted by: max88 (Jan 7, 2014 11:24PM)
[quote]
On 2014-01-08 00:18, lightman wrote:
I cannot believe the reactions I get with this thing. I bought it because I love gadgets and wanted it for my collection (I do mostly mentalism) but now I am developing a split personality and find myself drifting back to magic. Just yesterday, I tried a spoon bend and revealed the bent spoon in a cloud of smoke; definitely a magic trick but, WOW what a reaction. So now I want to go back to coin vanishes.

About the sound, I can hear mine working plain as day in the kitchen but it's not really a problem when performing in a pub or a restaurant.

Eric
[/quote]

What exactly the reaction you got? Can you describe in detail? No one think sm*ke come from Slxxve?
Message: Posted by: ThatsCool (Jan 8, 2014 01:52PM)
[quote]
On 2014-01-07 22:21, that'sCool wrote:
[quote]
On 2013-11-06 17:06, johndevacmaker wrote:
I was also burned by Will Tsai and no Sean he doesn't deserve a second chance
Your a great one to defend him after the way you slaughtered Cobra magics White Board
Double standards come to mind
[/quote]

What was said about this?
[/quote]

I saw the [i]White Board[/i] on the [i]Cobra[/i] site. Is there something wrong with it?

Thanks for any input :).
Message: Posted by: Christopher Taylor (Jan 8, 2014 07:46PM)
I am worried about the spectator learning the source of the smoke too.

CT
Message: Posted by: daffydoug (Jan 9, 2014 08:47PM)
Lightman, I too am interested in hearing more about your reactions.
Message: Posted by: Bill Hegbli (Jan 9, 2014 08:56PM)
[quote]
On 2014-01-06 12:29, brody wrote:
Does anyone know where to get more tubing?
[/quote]

Tubing that flexible and limp has to be medical tubing.
Message: Posted by: daffydoug (Jan 10, 2014 08:15AM)
Lightman?
Message: Posted by: rasp (Jan 14, 2014 04:28PM)
The haunted doll combined with Vapr and Soundzamazing.............

http://youtu.be/MFkyLPLgLKM
Message: Posted by: david abel (Jan 15, 2014 09:16AM)
Having read through all of the pages this doesn't seem to have been answered. Can I ask what goes into the smoke ingredient? Thanks
Message: Posted by: Inviso (Jan 15, 2014 06:04PM)
I just got mine and was concerned about the noise as well.
Seeing the review eased my concern.
I was wondering though, how does this thing work?
No wire in the tube suggested it was air pressure from the main unit triggering the vaporizer.
I removed the tube from the vaporizer and gave a strong steady blow....a good stream of smoke appeared.

So, a ball, plunger or small bellows that can generate the required air pressure can give you near silent smoke if you need it.
It could be rigged under the arm I imagine.
Unfortunately the remote won't work on bellows and you might look like a wounded bird flapping your arm if you need a lot of smoke but it is an option.

Randy
Message: Posted by: Saturn UK (Jan 16, 2014 01:00AM)
We held off stocking this at Saturn Magic because we did not want to get sucked into the pre-order hype of this item and I wanted to be sure it was good before we sold it to any of my customers.

Now I have had chance to see one and know it holds up under use we have decided to stock it.

The noise did worry me but we tested this in a silent room and just by talking when the moment happens no noise was evident.

If you are in a silent room and want to make smoke then yes you will hear something but its not really very loud as I said normal talking will clover it as would normal background noise in the venue.

I particularly like the 3 second feature where you only have to press once rather than keep pressing which is very nice.

I was one of the fans of SSS when it came out but I will now be switching to this it is far simpler easier to set up and control and more versatile, although it is more expensive, SSS is still a great cheap option with adaptions I made.

We have it here at a great Saturn Magic price! http://www.saturnmagic.co.uk/new-magic/vapr-by-will-tsai-and-sansminds.html
Message: Posted by: david abel (Jan 17, 2014 06:54AM)
Anyone tell me what the smoke is made from? I see links here to e cigs. I hope this is not the case? I know from personal experience that certain venues in London ban the use of e cigs indoors.
Message: Posted by: Sean Giles (Jan 17, 2014 06:57AM)
^Glycerine.
Message: Posted by: MagicKatie (Jan 17, 2014 08:48AM)
[quote]
On 2014-01-17 07:54, david abel wrote:
Anyone tell me what the smoke is made from? I see links here to e cigs. I hope this is not the case? I know from personal experience that certain venues in London ban the use of e cigs indoors.
[/quote]

yes, of course, all it is is an e-cig cart with a fan and tube. it is exactly the same stuff that is in an e cig.
Message: Posted by: Saturn UK (Jan 17, 2014 09:49AM)
I was sceptical about the worth of this but when you see what you get, how compact it is and how well put together the price is more than justified.

It does everything I expected of it so no let downs really.

A lot has been said about this so need for me to repeat but if anyone wants to talk over it before buying please give me a call the number is on our website.
Message: Posted by: MagicKatie (Jan 17, 2014 10:00AM)
[quote]
On 2014-01-17 10:49, Saturn Magic wrote:
I was sceptical about the worth of this but when you see what you get, how compact it is and how well put together the price is more than justified.

[/quote]

agreed. it certainly is the best way to make people think you have a tube up your sleeve with an e-cig stuck on the end ofit.
Message: Posted by: Nikki78 (Jan 17, 2014 03:35PM)
I bought it from the local magic shop and what can I say? I love it!!! Ok, there is some noise but as mentioned in Mark's post:
You can cover it with some talking or background music. Will Tsai give you some cool ideas for effects you can improve with this devise.
Personally I like to combine it with Trace (another effect from Will Tsai). It works great!

Two thumbs up :)

Cheers
Nikki
Message: Posted by: feelastonished (Jan 20, 2014 08:19AM)
[quote]
On 2013-11-07 05:19, doriancaudal wrote:
[quote]
On 2013-11-07 04:59, JackMagic wrote:
I for one will give this miss and with the news that a better product is about to hit the street , I will wait for that one
[/quote]

You won't be disappointed, I swear ;)
[/quote]

I'm just interested in doriancaudal who began this thread saying we should all wait for a much better French device coming out soon, he then continued to back this up for the first half of the thread, for which reason I haven't bought Vapr yet.

Then in the second half of the thread it seems he HAS in fact bought himself Vapr and is asking for advice on how to work it, and is actually using it? So which one is it buddy? Is this "mysterious" new smoke product still coming to the market?

Patience hasn't always been my strongest virtue. Thanks.
Message: Posted by: Saturn UK (Jan 20, 2014 09:42AM)
We held off stocking this for that very reason but we have now taken it into stock.

As I have already said I'm very pleased with this and would recommend it.
Message: Posted by: Stucky (Jan 22, 2014 07:37AM)
Someone told me something (that I am surprised no one has mentioned) about the remote and the fact you can tether multpipe units to one remote? So if you had 5 vaprs set up around the room, one remote could make them all go off. Methinks mischief is to be had :firedevil:
Message: Posted by: Montana76 (Jan 22, 2014 07:49AM)
Is the smoke safe to inhale?
Message: Posted by: MagicKatie (Jan 22, 2014 10:12AM)
[quote]
On 2014-01-22 08:49, Montana76 wrote:
Is the smoke safe to inhale?
[/quote]

as safe as a zero nicotine e-cig.
Message: Posted by: VernonOnCoins (Jan 22, 2014 10:21AM)
Thinking of selling mine if anyone is interested. Tube has been cut but I am average size so should fit most anyone. Device is otherwise brand new and comes in original box.


PM if interested $140 shipped in US
Message: Posted by: KyleSW (Jan 24, 2014 11:25AM)
It seems some people are concerned by the amount of noise the Vapr unit gives off. Well, I've been working with it for about a month now, in various conditions, and as yet no one has even raised an eyebrow in suspicion. Even if performing silently in the quietest room or restaurant there is usually some background noise of sufficient level to cover the first few seconds of activation and the moment someone spots the smoke there is invariably a chorus of gleeful and excited audience to drown out anything else. I think so long as you go for the less is more philosophy with the smoke everything's fine. I've found that five seconds is waaaaay more than enough and more often than not the three second "hit" is more than enough.
Message: Posted by: kieronthemighty (Jan 24, 2014 11:58AM)
I love this I got it as a gift and am very pleased it enhancing all my effects including my own ice production I would highly recmend thjs
Message: Posted by: Sean Fields (Jan 26, 2014 01:23AM)
I know I'm a little late to the party, but I just got my Vapr unit a couple of days ago.

There isn't much to say that hasn't been said. We all know exactly what it is, what it does, and how it works. Having said that, this remains one of the most well produced pieces of magic kit I have seen in a long time. Everything about the unit oozes quality. The package, the DVD, and the unit itself are all premium caliber. This is the finest smoke device for magicians ever devised.

Regarding noise, I wouldn't sweat it. The unit is pretty quiet, and once installed, under clothing, any noise it does produce is muffled, and is more then adequately covered by natural ambient noise.

As far as effectiveness in light of the emerging cultural awareness of e-cigarettes... Meh.

I wouldn't worry about that either. Did people think 'Where was the cigarette hidden?' when we used smoke gimmicks before e-cigarettes? Maybe, maybe not. Did it matter? Not an iota. The smoke is not, and should never be, the PRIMARY effect. It should only be used as a SUPPLEMENTARY effect, that is used to amplify the primary effect. Just because some of the general populous are aware of our means, does not mean they are aware of our ways. Bottom line, with proper routining, the audience should believe the smoke is emerging as a result of what you are doing; not separate from it. If you use the device correctly, they won't think 'where is the e-cigarette hidden', they will believe the smoke is a direct result of what you are claiming to do. End rant.

Bottom line. If you are looking for a smoke device, look no further; this is the best you can get.

Sf
Message: Posted by: kieronthemighty (Jan 26, 2014 06:46AM)
Just like Sean I only got mine a few days ago I used it last night with trace and two of my own efects is a great piece and I highly recommends this I've own every smoke device on the market and this is the best so far
Message: Posted by: Nikki78 (Jan 26, 2014 07:08AM)
[quote]
On 2014-01-26 02:23, Sean Fields wrote:
I know I'm a little late to the party, but I just got my Vapr unit a couple of days ago.

There isn't much to say that hasn't been said. We all know exactly what it is, what it does, and how it works. Having said that, this remains one of the most well produced pieces of magic kit I have seen in a long time. Everything about the unit oozes quality. The package, the DVD, and the unit itself are all premium caliber. This is the finest smoke device for magicians ever devised.

Regarding noise, I wouldn't sweat it. The unit is pretty quiet, and once installed, under clothing, any noise it does produce is muffled, and is more then adequately covered by natural ambient noise.

As far as effectiveness in light of the emerging cultural awareness of e-cigarettes... Meh.

I wouldn't worry about that either. Did people think 'Where was the cigarette hidden?' when we used smoke gimmicks before e-cigarettes? Maybe, maybe not. Did it matter? Not an iota. The smoke is not, and should never be, the PRIMARY effect. It should only be used as a SUPPLEMENTARY effect, that is used to amplify the primary effect. Just because some of the general populous are aware of our means, does not mean they are aware of our ways. Bottom line, with proper routining, the audience should believe the smoke is emerging as a result of what you are doing; not separate from it. If you use the device correctly, they won't think 'where is the e-cigarette hidden', they will believe the smoke is a direct result of what you are claiming to do. End rant.

Bottom line. If you are looking for a smoke device, look no further; this is the best you can get.

Sf


[/quote]

Nice post Sean. Couldn't agree more

Cheers
Nikki
Message: Posted by: fsharp (Jan 31, 2014 06:31AM)
Anybody else had issues with SANSMIND? I ordered something from them (VAPR) on the 6th of December. I still don't have my items. I've been chasing them up and emailing them many times but nobody is replying to my emails.
I guess my next step will be to contact my credit card and try to get my money back. Anybody else had issues with SANSMIND? I'm also posting this message hoping that they will reply to me. SANSMIND if you are here, can you please stop ignoring my emails? (here's my order number: 2100001227) I've been doing magic for 20 years and this is the first time I have such an issue with a magic dealer. Terrible customer service.
Message: Posted by: Darkness (Feb 3, 2014 09:35AM)
I am interested in purchasing a used and in good working condition, Vapr at a reasonable price. Thanks.
Message: Posted by: Nikki78 (Feb 3, 2014 12:10PM)
[quote]
On 2014-01-31 07:31, fsharp wrote:
Anybody else had issues with SANSMIND? I ordered something from them (VAPR) on the 6th of December. I still don't have my items. I've been chasing them up and emailing them many times but nobody is replying to my emails.
I guess my next step will be to contact my credit card and try to get my money back. Anybody else had issues with SANSMIND? I'm also posting this message hoping that they will reply to me. SANSMIND if you are here, can you please stop ignoring my emails? (here's my order number: 2100001227) I've been doing magic for 20 years and this is the first time I have such an issue with a magic dealer. Terrible customer service.
[/quote]

Hey,
Have you tried their contact form directly on their webpage?
I sent a request in December and received a reply within 24hours...

Cheers
Nikki
Message: Posted by: nonvpro (Feb 7, 2014 06:10PM)
Just received mine and spent a few moments taking a look at it. All I can say at this time is the packaging is fantastic!
Message: Posted by: nonvpro (Feb 9, 2014 12:30PM)
When charging the main unit, what position should the switch be in? Should the switch be Left in the off position, Middle in the on position or Right remote only position?

Should the Vaporizer be connected to the charge cable at the same time the Main unit is being charge even though there is no LED light on the Vaporizer? According to the booklet, no light on the Vaporizer indicates the Vaporizer is apparently fully charged.
Message: Posted by: Nikki78 (Feb 9, 2014 01:24PM)
Hi nonvpro,

I'm not sure but I always switch off the main unit during the charging mode. The off position is the switch closest to the USB port. As far as I understood the instructions you can charge all parts separately or the vaporizer and one of the USB-units. I hope this makes sense :)

Cheers
Nikki
Message: Posted by: nonvpro (Feb 9, 2014 02:44PM)
Nikki,

Thanks for the reply.

Another question. When charging the units, do you have let them fully discharge before you recharge them? If the LED light(s) still indicate there is a charge, can the they be "Topped off"? I wasn't able to locate anything specific on the DVD or booklet pertaining to my question.
Message: Posted by: nonvpro (Feb 9, 2014 03:21PM)
At Sansminds Magic on their promo video for Vapr, they show a effect with a picture of a doll intact. After the Magic happens both the doll in the picture and the picture itself appears to be burnt. Anyone know what the name of that particular effect is?
Message: Posted by: nonvpro (Feb 9, 2014 05:08PM)
Been playing with mine for a few hours now and everything seems to be working as it was designed. Haven't had any issues as of yet. The amount of 'smoke" produced is satisfactory. However, a little bit more smoke would have been welcomed.

I'm a full time restaurant performer. I can tell you from many years experience performing in restaurants, bars, banquets, private parties and basically anywhere people gather socially, the amount of noise produced by the main unit as it is called in the booklet is absolutely a non-issue for me. However, as stated by some here at the Cafť, if you are performing in a completely quite environment, sterile of any ambient noise whatsoever, then there is a distinct possibility you most likely would hear noise from the main unit. In the real world performance arena, it's not a issue.

I also came to the conclusion, the position of the main unit under the arm with the arm band, somewhat limits my positioning and flexibility performing some effects in my repertoire. There are times I need to extend my right arm, which then prohibits me from activating the main unit. I discovered as many probably have, both the remote and main unit can be used simultaneously. This allows for more flexibility in body movement. I made a leg strap for the remote I wear on my left leg. This allows me to simply drop my left arm and activate the remote undetected.
Message: Posted by: nonvpro (Feb 10, 2014 10:26AM)
Anyone know where replacement parts are available?
Message: Posted by: nonvpro (Feb 15, 2014 02:58PM)
Couple of questions:

1. It was mentioned that replacement parts were/are available. If possible, would someone please post a link for them?
2. Is it possible to leave the units connected to the charge cables and plugged in until ready for use?
Message: Posted by: Justin Lewis (Feb 16, 2014 02:34AM)
Anyone having trouble unscrewing the heating coil so unit can be charged.. I can't do it
Message: Posted by: Justin Lewis (Feb 16, 2014 02:48AM)
I got it... counter clockwise lol
Message: Posted by: nonvpro (Feb 16, 2014 01:50PM)
All three components were fully charged for my gig last night. Everything was turned on at 5:15 pm for my gig and my gig lasted for 3 hours, got home and turned everything off around 9:30 pm. I checked my main unit just now and the battery was dead. Is this normal?

I have asked the following questions before and have yet to receive a response. Kyle, would you please be kind enough to post a reply. Thanks.

1. It was mentioned that replacement parts were/are available. If possible, would someone please post a link for them?
2. Is it possible to leave the units connected to the charge cables and plugged in until ready for use?
Message: Posted by: nonvpro (Feb 17, 2014 01:12PM)
Still hoping that someone will chime in here and answer my questions.
Message: Posted by: Nikki78 (Feb 17, 2014 11:48PM)
[quote]
On 2014-02-17 14:12, nonvpro wrote:
Still hoping that someone will chime in here and answer my questions.
[/quote]

Hey nonvpro,

Personally I didn't have any battery problems so far and I don't know where you can buy the spare parts.
Instead of hoping to get a reply here some day I'd suggest you should either contact your magic dealer or the manufacturer...

Cheers
Message: Posted by: nonvpro (Feb 18, 2014 10:26AM)
As Kyle has been very helpful answering questions in this thread thus far, I figured he would continue doing so. I have pm'd him several additional times with my current questions, but as of yet, he has not responded.
Message: Posted by: cricketer15 (Feb 19, 2014 03:24AM)
[quote]
On 2014-02-18 11:26, nonvpro wrote:
As Kyle has been very helpful answering questions in this thread thus far, I figured he would continue doing so. I have pm'd him several additional times with my current questions, but as of yet, he has not responded.
[/quote]

are you sure you switch it off the right side? the first time my battery died quick it was because I turn the switch to the remote only side and thought it was off left it overnight and died.
Message: Posted by: AaronishMagic (Feb 24, 2014 01:35AM)
I would like to buy another unit. Anyone know where the best deal is in BlackPool?
Message: Posted by: vkurchenkov (Mar 11, 2014 07:09AM)
Hi to everyone,
Me & Will have came up with idea to open Closed Facebook group for VAPR users, so you guys can share ideas and knowledge with others.
https://www.facebook.com/groups/1387911204766940/

Welcome!
Message: Posted by: Sean Fields (Mar 15, 2014 01:09AM)
Hehe.

Here is a short PSA I put together for VAPR. Enjoy! :P

Sf
Message: Posted by: Jacopo (Mar 15, 2014 06:11AM)
Hello, I have received my vapr in january, I had bought it from Hocus Pocus because the shipping are free worldwide. thanks for the link of the FB group, I request now to join in.
Message: Posted by: threadman77 (Apr 12, 2014 09:06AM)
I'm thinking the problem with replacement parts is how to price them. Obviously if you break down the unit's components and price them out reasonably, you won't come close to the $180 retail total package.Not saying it isn't worth the price (lot of research and development - I bought it and love it) but a good e-cig is $20, a small motor(aquarium style) is $20 - what's left - the remote, tubing and arm bands. My heating coil is burnt out - I should be able to replace that for under $10. Any thoughts??
Message: Posted by: bobbyk (Apr 12, 2014 01:00PM)
I love this! I was lucky enough to see Joshua Jay lecture recently and saw him use it.... I bought one a week later and find that it works great! I'm not sure the charge lasts as long as I would like but there is a fair amount of flexibllity built into the unit. I like that I can use either the remote or the switch on the unit itself to activate it. I'm in a wheel chair and have some limitations ...I found that it's not a problem tho.

I get plenty of smoke from it. I just hope it's not overused and turns into getting a "ho-hum" reaction!

It lacks somewhat in the instructional area but can be pretty much figured out on your own. I was surprised by this because the packaging over all is great! Not a huge deal but needs to be mentioned. I certainly feel good about the purchase and am glad I took the plunge! I can't compare to other units but it sure beats the Hell out of that junk I was putting on my fingers and rubbing together to produce some fake smoke.....yuck! :-)

Have fun!

Bk
Message: Posted by: tomsk192 (Apr 12, 2014 03:37PM)
I am very surprised at the charge issues!

This unit has served me for dozens of performances, on different days, sometimes a week apart, without the need for charging.

Of course, I am using it [i]once[/i] per audience....

David Regal's review (very positive) in Genii underlines the potential dangers of such a cool moment, if you read down the other reviews, pros and cons, in the same issue. Is this connected to charge issues?
Message: Posted by: JBiesecker (Apr 16, 2014 08:47AM)
Has anyone tried using this for the burned and restored shoe trick (wiz Kote, Oops machine etc)? I want to do this trick, but I don't excactly like the thought of using powder and igniters each time. It seems like a compact smoke machine like Vapr could be a good alternative. Has anyone tried this, or have any suggestions on this?
Message: Posted by: WayneNZ (Apr 16, 2014 08:54AM)
[quote]On Apr 16, 2014, JBiesecker wrote:
Has anyone tried using this for the burned and restored shoe trick (wiz Kote, Oops machine etc)? I want to do this trick, but I don't excactly like the thought of using powder and igniters each time. It seems like a compact smoke machine like Vapr could be a good alternative. Has anyone tried this, or have any suggestions on this? [/quote]


That's Myy plan , but have not got it out of the box yet.
Message: Posted by: JBiesecker (Apr 16, 2014 12:12PM)
Great, it's good to know that I'm not the only one considering this. Do you plan to design and built the prop yourself, or retrofit an existing one to use it? One of the main concerns that I have about doing this is will the Vapr produce enough smoke to actually fill the box?
Message: Posted by: Illucifer (May 7, 2014 10:33AM)
I confess, I've not read through all 29 pages of posts here, not do I wish to, so I'm hoping someone can give me a simply ye or nay regarding this query.
I just received my unit and there is noise emitted from two places on activation: the vibration of the main unit, which is very quiet in my opinion, and a kind of gurgling sound which is louder, from the vaporizer. The vaporizer is also nearer the audience, and the sound being emitted from the end of my sleeve doesn't seem a very good thing to me.

Can anyone confirm that this sound should or should not be heard? I suspect it should not, else imagine if hear the same sound coming from my 'Smoke' gimmick, for instance.
Message: Posted by: Sean Fields (May 7, 2014 02:15PM)
Hey Illucifer,

The main unit noise is really a non issue, as it is muffled by your clothes and further drown out by ambient noise/music.

The 'gurgling' is simply an (over)full cartridge. Just activate it a few times to use up the excess fluid; the gurgling will go away.

Hope that helps.

Sf
Message: Posted by: Illucifer (May 7, 2014 06:39PM)
Cheers, Sean!
Message: Posted by: Legendary Wizard (May 7, 2014 09:58PM)
I find that my heater coil broke after using it for 4 carriages ... Ordered a heater coil already but does anyone has the same problem ?
Message: Posted by: jcss (May 28, 2014 09:54PM)
Pure Smoke I changed and am fascinated by Vpr
Message: Posted by: Ceierry (Jun 1, 2014 06:35AM)
What happened to Vapr?

It's sold out and not more available on a lot of magic stores
Message: Posted by: preb (Jun 11, 2014 06:33AM)
Hi there,

at the pump there is a special battery, which cannot be replaced, ot it has got an AA/AAA battery? Because I prefer those things, which can be easily repaired... It has got the same noise like pure smoke?
Message: Posted by: Nikki78 (Jun 11, 2014 03:16PM)
[quote]On Jun 1, 2014, Ceierry wrote:
What happened to Vapr?

It's sold out and not more available on a lot of magic stores [/quote]

Hi,

according to the Sansminds Homepage the product is out of stock at the moment but finally the replacement parts are available.
Personally I think it makes no sense to buy every part individually because the total is much more expensive...

cheers
Nikki
Message: Posted by: draholdski (Jul 3, 2014 09:09PM)
Penguin just shipped my Vapr today, looks like the a new batch has finally arrived!
Message: Posted by: Acecardician (Jul 7, 2014 02:24PM)
Just received mine up today. Ir works well right out of the box. Now I just have to find a place for it, as I rarely wear long sleeves.
Message: Posted by: mastermindreader (Jul 8, 2014 11:58AM)
Wear it under your pants and let the smoke emit from your fly. It would be a great ice breaker at parties.
Message: Posted by: draholdski (Jul 9, 2014 08:57PM)
Smokeless in Seattle. The Vapr unit I received was a dud. Motor worked but after fully charging everything, there was no smoke. I'm assuming it's a faulty heating coil(the greeny/grey default cartridge was melted when I opened the box). I think I troubleshot everything(went through the Sansminds pdf, four different cartridges and many suggestions in this thread), to no avail. I'm gonna pack her up and send her back tomorrow, likely for a refund. A shame because I was looking forward to all the possibilities this product provides. I might change my mind and get a replacement but at this point I'm not so sure of its reliability.
Message: Posted by: AaronishMagic (Jul 10, 2014 05:45AM)
I own two of them for a parlour set up. This is the most reliable smoke device I've tried. And I own four other models from before. There's no comparison if you are looking over smoke device for magic effects. Get it replaced and I'm sure you'll have lots of use of it!
Message: Posted by: Fire Starter (Jul 10, 2014 08:35AM)
[quote]On Jul 8, 2014, mastermindreader wrote:
Wear it under your pants and let the smoke emit from your fly. It would be a great ice breaker at parties. [/quote]
Oooooooooooh you are devil Bob,lol.
Message: Posted by: Acecardician (Jul 10, 2014 12:07PM)
I had the idea to put it in my "Lily" the skunk and let it blow smoke out of it's back side.
Message: Posted by: draholdski (Jul 10, 2014 01:26PM)
Thank you for your input AaronishMagic, you may have swayed my decision!
Message: Posted by: Acecardician (Jul 10, 2014 03:14PM)
When I went to take the Default cartridge off by pulling it gently, it pulled 1/2 of the heating coil off with it. So now I need a new heating coil. I want to keep it, as it is also the best smoke device I have ever seen. I wrote the company I bought it from and am awaiting a reply.
Message: Posted by: I.D (Jul 11, 2014 02:13PM)
I'm new here. I've read the majority of this thread and take away the somewhat childish arguments at times, it was an interesting read.

Here is my experience with Vapr thus far.

The only smoke device I have owned prior is MSv1. Didn't even bother to set it up as you had to go out and buy the chemicals. It was 8 years ago and I was lazy. So I don't have an honest opinion of it as I never used it. That was on me and I'm sure it would have been fantastic.

Anyway I ordered Vapr in January from WMS. It arrived after about 4 months. And it worked for.. 2 puffs.. then nothing. The amount of effort to find the troubleshoot guide was horrendous.

Returned the unit and a week later got it back. It was a faulty heater coil. It worked.. yay.. for 3 puffs.

I contacted Sans Minds and they said if I bought something from their site they would send me a free heater coil. I told them where to go. No response. I order 3 spare heater coils and a vapouriser anyhow. They sent me an add on to Photoshop free. I don't call that good customer service

I took my unit into WMS personally and spent some time with them trying to fix it but it just didn't work. So they agreed to send me a brand new one. Happy days but another month wait.

Arrived last week. charged all units. Thought charger was faulty as it wasn't charging the vapouriser properly.. had to fiddle with it. Didn't work at all.changed vapouriser. Worked for 2 puffs. Then nothing. Turns out ANOTHER faulty heater coil as well as faulty charger.

Changed heater coil. Worked for 1.. 2.. 3.. 4 NO WAY.. still going.. 2 days later.. still working. I count that a blessing.

So 7 months in!! it works like a dream.. beautiful clouds of smoke.. wireless works wonders.. It's brilliant and I love it

The DVD is shocking. 15 mins approx instructional to which they miss off so much vital information then plug ads for OVER AN HOUR. Criminal.

I can't write a full review it doesn't deserve it.

Vapr unit design: 9
Vapr smoke : 8
Wireless capability: 10
DVD: 3
Merchant help: 9
sans minds help: 2
Quality control : 1

I love Vapr and will be using it regularly and I appreciate that tech fails sometimes but the quality control is awful.

Bitter sweet: I love it and will use it often. Shame about the quality control

Overall: 96%
Message: Posted by: AaronishMagic (Jul 11, 2014 02:52PM)
Sounds frustrating I.D! You must be extremely unlucky to experience that. My two units work like a charm right out of the box.
Message: Posted by: I.D (Jul 11, 2014 06:49PM)
Yeh well these things happen. As it works now, and it works great that's all that matters.

I really like Vapr and just glad that I can use it. I have used it lots in the last couple of days.. mainly to amuse myself.. in practice I would only use it occasionally to enhance a moment
Message: Posted by: Acecardician (Jul 11, 2014 08:44PM)
[quote]On Jul 10, 2014, Acecardician wrote:
When I went to take the Default cartridge off by pulling it gently, it pulled 1/2 of the heating coil off with it. So now I need a new heating coil. I want to keep it, as it is also the best smoke device I have ever seen. I wrote the company I bought it from and am awaiting a reply. [/quote]


I got a reply from the seller and they are sending me a new heater coil. I also bought a 3 pack for back up. I am all set now, can't wait!
Message: Posted by: Greg755 (Jul 12, 2014 02:50PM)
After reading all this I don't know if I will get one now. I have a zig zag vapor cig. It has a refillable chamber that has the heating coil inside it and some wicks. the whole unit costs $13.00 If you burn out the coil or run it dry you can replace that for $6. How hard could it be to hook a small tube and a pump to one??? Of course it would not have a remote but big deal. I am not trying to degrade anyone's product - I am just wondering if it is better to buy one or take a chance building one... It seems to me that by looking at pictures, of the vapr, the "cartridges" on the vapr are not clear/see through. Maybe the reason the heating coil is burning out is because the cartridge is empty???? also why cant you just take a cartridge and drill a small hole at the top, refile it, and just seal the hole? Head shops sell all kinds of liquid (non nicotine) for cigarettes that are very cheap. By the way earlier in the thread someone was talking about a unit that was supposed to be coming out that was going to be the VERY BEST unit out there... What ever happened to that?
Message: Posted by: I.D (Jul 13, 2014 02:27PM)
I don't think there is another smoke device coming out and if there was I think the project has been pulled. I consider it bad taste anyway for them to try and plug it in this thread.

Gregg, the heater coil didn't burn out in most cases because the cartridge was empty , it s just faulty heater coils. The last 30 puffs or so I would imagine would indicate a low cartridge.

I have read from numerous places that you can refill the cartridges with glycerin or glycerol, a bottle for about £8 and it only takes about two drops. Appatabtly it gives better smoke if you buy a good brand of smoke machine fluid but I can't verify that..

Vapr is definitely worth it, you just run the risk of electronics failures which do happen unfortunately. But if you get a working one.. It truly is amazing

On the catridges, I must have gone through about 60 puffs on my first catridge, quite a few long pressed just mucking about, and I'm still getting a good amount of thick smoke so they do seem to last a while, as I heard after around 50 puffs they are rubbish.

I don't like Sans Minds very Much and I am growing frustrated with the amount of crap they are putting out, catering to the youth mindset of needing the latest gadget whereas what they get is bottom drawer magic. Vapr is the only thing beside the CD prediction thing they did (which I never bought) that I think has any kind of real credibility. Photoshop is ok actually and have been surprised by its reactions. I have done it half heartedly to lots of people at work and in public, almost like some throwaway cheap trick when asked for something when I'm not in the mood. For some reason, it kills my audience and I really don't know why. I've had some amazing reactions and I don't get it as I think it's naff.
Message: Posted by: Greg755 (Jul 13, 2014 03:30PM)
ID thanks. I too think it is bad taste to hijack someones thread and to promote a similar product. The reason I posted that at the end was to bring attention to the fact that some one did this and it never came to be. Just my sarcastic way of pointing that out... Anyways Like I said I don't have but I do have e cigs, I have seen many people mess up their e cigs by not using it properly, or overcharging etc etc. The reason for my post was to try to determine if all the problems that have been posted were mostly because the product really is defective or if most of the problems were due to Magician error. Im not worried about the vapr not working one night because as I see it I will only use it as an enhancement to a trick. So if it does not work the trick will still work. I am just worried that if the heating coils are burning up constantly that it will start eating away at the wallet. THANKS for your reply, most helpful.
Message: Posted by: Greg755 (Jul 19, 2014 02:07PM)
Well I found a Vapr at a really good price, so I thought "what the heck" lets give it a try. It arrived this morning. My take on this is:
The packaging is way over done I would rather a simple package and get the product for less money. Same with the CD it took forever to get through all the ads for your other products.
The unit is built very well, yes the main box does make some noise but I don't think anyone will hear it especially if I am talking while it is activated.
The only time the smoke was a little "weak" was on the first try after that it does really good. So before you do a show just fire it up once before preforming.
I had a problem at first trying to screw the Vapr into the charger. he trick here is NOT to force it. Make sure it is aligned properly and if the fine threads are a little dirty Just screw the heater coil on and off a couple of times to ensure the threads are straight, then retry it in the charger
Watch the video twice especially the FAQ and you will have no problems. It is pretty straight forward. All the switches work properyly and all the lights function as they are supposed too.
The only complaint I would have (other than wasting money on packaging and promotions) is that the charger should have two out lets so you can charge the main unit and the remote at the same time.
With in an hour of getting the thing, I did the ice cube trick on my wife (shown on the DVD) and it really got a good reaction. While this may not be a stand alone trick it is definitely going to enhance several of the things I already do, making them look even more magical.
Thanks Guys - Job well done.
Message: Posted by: Alex DLF (Jul 19, 2014 02:32PM)
After using Vapr and Smokey Magic V.2from Trevor Duffy, SMV2 is WAY better than Vapr.

Unless you want the remote control of course.
Message: Posted by: djefvulen (Aug 13, 2014 05:51AM)
A few months after not using my Vapr, I was going to use it. Tried it. No smoke. Ok, I thought I'll charge it. Tried to unscrew the battery and it wouldn't come off. Used two pliers, but still wouldn't come off. All I did was ruining the coating. Still not been able to remove the battery. So, now I'm having a very expensive piece of junk that's useless. I don't know if it's possible to get replacement parts for this? The pump and the remote still works, but that's all.
Message: Posted by: Legendary Wizard (Aug 13, 2014 06:18AM)
Replacement parts are available on SansMinds's website .
Message: Posted by: djefvulen (Aug 13, 2014 09:55AM)
Oh stupid me. I forgot it was reverse threaded. I may have destroyed it now. Right now I'm trying to charge it and see if it still works...
Message: Posted by: Legendary Wizard (Aug 13, 2014 09:58AM)
If it still works . Then SansMinds has superb quality products lol ... If after the battery is being " damaged " . Haha ...
Message: Posted by: g.albinana (Sep 14, 2014 01:40PM)
Hello everyone! I had just received my vapr unit, and after watching the dvd and putting all together, I had try it a couple of puffs with two different cartidges (just in case) but the quantity of the smoke is almost not noticeable. Any other of you has no vapor with vapr?...
Message: Posted by: Kune (Oct 7, 2014 12:35AM)
I just got mine, and the first 10 puffs or so were great, but now barely anything is coming out. I'm not sure if I used up the cartridge, if the device needs more charging, or something else. I'll have to try some things out and see. I hope the cartridges don't empty that quickly, otherwise I'd have to change them several times for a night of table hopping.
Message: Posted by: Kune (Oct 11, 2014 06:15AM)
I tried it again over 24 hours later, and the same cartridge was giving plenty of smoke again. Probably the battery just needed to be charged more.
Message: Posted by: cardsrosescoins (Oct 27, 2014 06:21PM)
So I have spent a considerable amount of time browsing this thread and troubleshooting this device because I refused to believe that they are all defective. I had the same problems that many of you had. I charged it out of the box, it worked for a while and then stopped. Then, after much toying with it, it would work again for a while and then it would stop again. I checked all the components against a working model in order to compare. Swapped each and every piece out and figured out what the problem was (at least for myself). The problem lies in the cartridges.

The cartridges consist of three parts.
1. The outer black shell (or green if it is the intial cartridge already on the device.)
2. The internal (white) plastic piece that holds the Glycol compound.
3. The cotton piece inside the white plastic piece which is saturated with oil.

The problem I discovered is that the cotton soaked in the Glycol oil can end up too high in the cartridge causing the heating coil to dry out and not allowing for new oil to saturate the unit. I remedied the problem by using a paperclip to pull the cotton out of the white plastic piece (and leaving the white plastic piece inside the outer black shell), placing the cotton directly on the heating coil, and then reinserting the heating coil into the black plastic cartridge (and the white plastic piece at the same time as this holds the excess oil).

This solved the problem for me and provided smoke that was almost as thick, if not the same, as the smoke in the video trailers.

Hope this helps you guys!
Message: Posted by: TheMagicOfDean (Feb 24, 2015 05:14AM)
Just got my Vapr unit. Did what was told on the DVD, turned clockwise on the heater coil but nothing happens. Seems like it is stuck in there. Anyone know what I can do?
Message: Posted by: Anansi (May 17, 2015 03:20PM)
Hi,
Anyone know of a UK stockist that stocks the charger? I lost mine and I don't particularly want to order another at $20 plus postage.
It's a real shame they didn't make it a universal charger instead of all that fluff about 'not wanting people to use it like e-cigarettes''.
I suspect I shall have to order directly from Sans Minds.
Hmmpff.
Message: Posted by: dragon74 (Jul 23, 2015 07:38AM)
I too have purchased a vapr unit and after about 20 minutes of short bursts, the green cartridge ran out - which I understand as it's just a "shipped with" cartridge. I replaced with a black cartridge, making sure to unscrew the opposite way to normal, and I had more smoke, which I played with for another 1/2 hour.
However, after giving it a full 8 hour charge overnight, I tried to use it tonight, and am not getting any vapr. Units are blue lit, remote works well, and I've also tried the pull the cotton out a little so it comes into direct contact with the heating element tip. I tried another cartridge just in case, but still nothing.
Now, last night, as I read about replacing coil issues, I ordered 2 elements from sansminds as backups. Do you think the problem is the heating coil so soon? I didn't think I'd have to replace it after 1 nights use!
If it's not the coil, what else could it be?
Message: Posted by: Saturn UK (Jul 23, 2015 11:40AM)
You can prime the heater coil, they say to get the liquid out of the cotton but I just put a drop of glycerin in there to kick start it if ever it stops.

If it does not work after priming then it must be something else.

The cartridges are just pull off it's the heater coil that is reverse threaded.

There is a link to this on our website http://www.saturnmagic.co.uk/new-magic/vapr-by-will-tsai-and-sansminds.html
Message: Posted by: PRINCE (Jul 23, 2015 02:08PM)
You will know if the heater coil is defective as after you press the trigger a few times, you should be able to feel the heat coming through the main body of the unit near where the heater coil is. If this does not get warm it could be the heater coil is not working. If it is working and warm, then do as above and make sure the cotton wool is on the coil and let soak into the coil and v guard.
Hope that helps
Message: Posted by: Legendary Wizard (Jul 24, 2015 02:08AM)
I might too be the connection problems . Try to see if there's liquid on the connecting ends . On an occasion I had liquid from the cartridge leak out accidentally and it did not function consistently until I whipped of the excess liquid ...
Message: Posted by: dragon74 (Jul 24, 2015 05:48AM)
Thanks for the replies guys. I pulled the cotton out of the older cartridge, and added it to the newer cartridge, also fired up the element until it started smoking with the oil already on it, and seems to be working fine now. What a great little device.
Also, just my 2 cents, but I think it's not meant to be operated in an upside down position, that is, with the smoky end pointing up, maybe too much oil drips out and floods the coil? Seems to work better with the smoky end down...
Message: Posted by: Cartman (Oct 2, 2015 09:16AM)
Anyone know if I can get a Vapr at magicland in tokyo? they don't have a website so...
Message: Posted by: bluedragon (Oct 3, 2015 03:26AM)
[quote]On Oct 2, 2015, Cartman wrote:
Anyone know if I can get a Vapr at magicland in tokyo? they don't have a website so... [/quote]
Why vapr? Mystery Smoke is MUCH better IMHO :-)

www.mysterysmoke.com. They ship internationally. You might have to e-mail them for a shipping quote.

Best,

Neil.
Message: Posted by: jordanamystika (Oct 3, 2015 08:17PM)
I feel like there's going to be another smoke effect coming out soon that's going to be more efficient than this one. I feel like this one has more errors and trial and errors with coils than most people care to deal with.
Message: Posted by: gavaro (Oct 7, 2015 05:33AM)
I like mystery smoke,the best effect smoke:short sleeves,classic version, vanish objets, more smoke mystery smoke is the best.www.scacciapensieri.eu-www.mysterysmoke.com
Message: Posted by: Saturn UK (Oct 7, 2015 06:03AM)
Vapr has its place and it very good but I prefer Smokey Magic V2 its simple effective and requires no charging up at all and is great for strolling and close up.

The fact its so simple means there is very little to go wrong. http://www.saturnmagic.co.uk/new-magic/smokey-magic-version-2-by-trevor-duffy--trick.html
Message: Posted by: gavaro (Oct 7, 2015 06:36AM)
Mystery smoke new device 2015 fism italy sold out
Message: Posted by: ReviewerMaster (Oct 7, 2015 02:42PM)
Any one interested in Mystery Smoke for a good deal? Bought it off a friend mint condition, willing to let go at a good price. Please PM.
Message: Posted by: gavaro (Oct 8, 2015 01:17AM)
[quote]On Oct 7, 2015, ReviewerMaster wrote:
Any one interested in Mystery Smoke for a good deal? Bought it off a friend mint condition, willing to let go at a good price. Please PM. [/quote]

I have bought the fism for me is much batter than other devices
Message: Posted by: slydinirules (Oct 30, 2015 12:33PM)
Purchased Vapr a few months ago and, although the concept is awesome I'm just finding the setup, and (albeit minor)noise issue just doesn't work for my strolling magic set. Does anyone else find the components to be an issue with prop management and execution of other routines? Maybe I just need to work with it more.
Message: Posted by: Waterloophai (Nov 9, 2015 05:04PM)
Just for your information:
I bought (second hand) a spare remote for my VAPR.
I found out that you cannot use two remotes at the same time with your unit.
Several main units can be used at the same time with ONE remote, but you can't use several remotes with one unit at the same time.
You can have a second remote but when you want to use it, you have to pair it with the main unit and then your original remote will not work anymore until you pair that one again. Every remote has apparently a unique code and the main unit can't handle more than one code it seems.
Not a big deal, but good to know.
Message: Posted by: Magic KL (Nov 9, 2015 07:16PM)
Good to know. Thanks for the tips.
Message: Posted by: Amrit (Nov 20, 2015 06:00AM)
I'm sure someone already said above that the heater coil part is reverse threaded (clockwise to remove) but just want to double check this is the case please. Mine has been stuck on pretty good and am now realising I may have been turning it the wrong way to take it off (I had to replace the original after it burnt out so am using a replacement one on there).
Message: Posted by: Saturn UK (Nov 20, 2015 08:55AM)
Yes it reverse threaded.

If anyone needs them we have a small batch of heater coils and vaporisers in stock.
Message: Posted by: Amrit (Nov 20, 2015 10:35AM)
[quote]On Nov 20, 2015, Saturn UK wrote:
Yes it reverse threaded.

If anyone needs them we have a small batch of heater coils and vaporisers in stock. [/quote]


Thank you sir, now I know why I couldn't get it off, lol.

Don't suppose you keep any of the remotes at all? :D May pop in an order for a coil since it's always good to have a back-up just in case.
Message: Posted by: magicands (Nov 30, 2015 11:56AM)
I've just got hold of Vapr, looks great and well packaged but not getting much smaoke at all despite charging EVERYTHING.
I have also just had a strange thing happen, the heater coil stopped working on me (does it have a thermal cut out?)
Thought it may be flat batteries but NO, then bingo it started working again.
Its not as strong as "Pure Smoke" for me which gave me lots of smoke but I will persist with it for a while longer before I discard it in my cupboard as yet another "Great Video shame about the prop" effect.
Message: Posted by: Legendary Wizard (Nov 30, 2015 07:09PM)
[quote]On Dec 1, 2015, magicands wrote:
I've just got hold of Vapr, looks great and well packaged but not getting much smaoke at all despite charging EVERYTHING.
I have also just had a strange thing happen, the heater coil stopped working on me (does it have a thermal cut out?)
Thought it may be flat batteries but NO, then bingo it started working again.
Its not as strong as "Pure Smoke" for me which gave me lots of smoke but I will persist with it for a while longer before I discard it in my cupboard as yet another "Great Video shame about the prop" effect. [/quote]

The way you place your refills inside the atomizer and how much juice flows inside the heater coil will affect how much smoke is produced . Try tilting it vertically to let those juices flow inside the heater coil first . I got a lot of smoke from this device when I was using it . For the heater coil " stop working problem " , either it's that there is not enough juice inside the heater coil , or your battery is a malfunctioned one . My first VAPR's battery will only operate a while and stops operating , and after some time it will work again , thus the smoke is very inconsistent . After exchanging one my second VAPR worked fine .

Anyway ... Why did you choose VAPR now when Mystery Smoke had came out already ~
Message: Posted by: magicands (Dec 1, 2015 06:36AM)
Sounds like it could be a battery problem. I did recharge but the Blue LED went out after 5 minutes telling me the unit was fully charged. It is working again now but I wonder for how long?
I will keep an eye on it and post my findings here.
Thanks for the reply by the way.
Message: Posted by: Legendary Wizard (Dec 4, 2015 08:13AM)
Welcome ~ good luck and hope you make good use of your VAPR .
Message: Posted by: kalebzebadi (Dec 29, 2015 05:44PM)
Hi guys!

Unsure new owner of a Vapr unit here.

First unit, didn't work, had to return it (just before christmas, oh well, its for work not really christmas but anyway)

Second one has arrived, but, ugh, is it really this unreliable ? ?? It seems to work fine for 1 minute and then 15 minutes later nothing comes out, I just don't know how I could rely on this in my walk around routine!! I'd have to use it once or twice every 15 minutes for 2 hours. I cannot see it working that much ?

Anyone got some ideas?

Also has anybody tried refilling the cartridges themselves? E liquid or whatever
Message: Posted by: selectedmagic (Dec 30, 2015 06:27AM)
I got mine for Christmas. It only worked for a minute for me and I Facebooked the creator. Took him 2 minutes to figure out and make my unit work like magic. You need to make sure the oil goes into the heating part. I suggest you contact the creator. Nice guy.
Message: Posted by: simon hughes (Dec 30, 2015 09:58AM)
I give up. You've all been told repeatedly that Mystery Smoke is the perfect solution, infinitely shperior in every way. If you keep buying VAPR you deserve to be left with an expensive paperweight.
Message: Posted by: gavaro (Jan 2, 2016 09:07AM)
You're right Simon. Some people still haven't understood that mystery smoke is better
Message: Posted by: kalebzebadi (Jan 2, 2016 01:11PM)
Alright guys I joined the band wagon- returning my vapr to buy mystery smoke!
Message: Posted by: gavaro (Jan 3, 2016 03:59AM)
Https://youtu.be/r0XxM3sYUb4 Mystery smoke device
Message: Posted by: HusssKarson (Jan 3, 2016 12:16PM)
Not sure how my last message got deleted.
If anyone is interested in Mystery Smoke, I am letting mine go for a good price. Mint condition. Please PM me.
Message: Posted by: gavaro (Jan 3, 2016 02:02PM)
[quote]On Jan 2, 2016, kalebzebadi wrote:
Alright guys I joined the band wagon- returning my vapr to buy mystery smoke! [/quote]
Message: Posted by: GoncaloGil (Jan 3, 2016 02:08PM)
We will launch this smoke product: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3bcfdXE298k&feature=youtu.be
Message: Posted by: gavaro (Jan 3, 2016 02:18PM)
Https://youtu.be/KJ8PZ49LxSY Watch the video
Message: Posted by: kalebzebadi (Jan 5, 2016 12:33AM)
[quote]On Jan 3, 2016, gavaro wrote:
Https://youtu.be/r0XxM3sYUb4 Mystery smoke device [/quote]

I saw that video already and after seeing it in action I've ordered one, although don't think I've heard back from the guy yet ....
Message: Posted by: kalebzebadi (Jan 5, 2016 12:36AM)
[quote]On Jan 3, 2016, GoncaloGil wrote:
We will launch this smoke product: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3bcfdXE298k&feature=youtu.be [/quote]

that's cool, I could imagine this working well for some people.

I don't think I could wear a watch that big however, still nice though!!!
Message: Posted by: Sean Giles (Feb 19, 2016 08:21AM)
Anybody know where to get a replacement charge cable in the UK?

thanks
Message: Posted by: victors911 (Mar 4, 2016 04:15PM)
Where is possible to buy VAPR heating coil?! or possible in e-cigarrete shops to buy it?!

Thank you.
Message: Posted by: simon hughes (Mar 4, 2016 04:58PM)
If you are stuck with VAPR watch this video http://www.propdog.co.uk/recent-additions/blu-ecig-starter-kit
Message: Posted by: Waterloophai (Mar 5, 2016 02:36AM)
[quote]On Mar 4, 2016, simon hughes wrote:
If you are stuck with VAPR watch this video http://www.propdog.co.uk/recent-additions/blu-ecig-starter-kit [/quote]
Thanks for that link.
Message: Posted by: Amrit (Apr 28, 2016 08:47AM)
[quote]On Mar 4, 2016, simon hughes wrote:
If you are stuck with VAPR watch this video http://www.propdog.co.uk/recent-additions/blu-ecig-starter-kit [/quote]


Big thanks from me too. I have an ecig at home already packed away in a box after I brought it for SSS (and never bothered to use) so may try see if I can utilise that first.
Message: Posted by: RedHatMagic (Apr 29, 2016 12:54PM)
When VAPR works it is great but it is just so *** flaky. Charged it yesterday - today it is dead. Back in the PC - charged in under 5 minutes and now it works.
Message: Posted by: elimagic (Jan 10, 2019 08:19PM)
Is this sold new anywhere ? I have a particular use in mind for a remote activate smoke unit and this seems like a good solution when you use the prop dog hack 2.0.
Just canít seem to find it anywhere
Message: Posted by: Animated Puppets (Jan 10, 2019 08:28PM)
I bought a used one last summer but have not seen one used/new since. All the online magic shops I've checked are/have been out of stock for a very long time.
Message: Posted by: Lseeyou (Feb 27, 2019 11:04AM)
Acquired recently an used unit but with no instructions.

Is it available online, if so would you be able to share with me the link?

THANKS!
Message: Posted by: Magic KL (Feb 27, 2019 03:06PM)
It comes with a DVD only.