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Topic: My Finger Ring Routine Attempt
Message: Posted by: anevard (Nov 7, 2013 08:42PM)
Hey Guys,

I am an amateur hobbyist, with the problem of always trying to find a way to con people into watching a trick or 2. I have been working on a little finger ring routine, and am curious as to what you think. I have posted it here http://youtu.be/hcsNIt_S9Lk

NONE of the moves are original and large chunks come from sources I am sure you all know. I do flash a bit, but am curious if you think the flow is OK. Please be gentle but all helpful comments are much appreciated.

Andrew
Message: Posted by: Pete Biro (Nov 7, 2013 10:39PM)
What kind of reactions do you get doing this for a lay audience?
Message: Posted by: anevard (Nov 7, 2013 10:49PM)
I am just starting to put all this together. I have done it in bits and pieces and it works as a quick moment. The section with the band is basically Pinnacle by Russ Niedzwiecki and that goes over really well. I am trying to build it all together into a small routine and this is the first attempt. Wondering if the band section should go first or if they don't work together at all.
Message: Posted by: ROBERT BLAKE (Nov 8, 2013 07:22AM)
I like the routine. I urge you to work on your patter. you are explaning what you do. no need to. the first part - ring only - say something like this is an acrobatic ring. he can do all kinds of crazy jumps. with out saying anything show the routine. start talking when you introduce the rubberband.
Message: Posted by: anevard (Nov 8, 2013 07:51AM)
Thanks Robert.

I fall into a trap of not talking enough sometimes, so I try and force patter when I practice. I must admit that in the moment I usually am more animated and lively, but find myself pretty bland practicing in front of a camera. I will continue to think about an approach to the patter that is more interesting.
Message: Posted by: ROBERT BLAKE (Nov 8, 2013 12:15PM)
ANDREW, if you don't know what to say then shut up! sounds harsh I know. but the tricks are good enough. the audience can follow the effect even if you don't say anything. for the rubber band: write down your lines. then ask yourself what kind of information does a spector to know to view it as magic?
Message: Posted by: anevard (Nov 8, 2013 12:32PM)
Advice taken!

It always is easier for me to perform in front of real people. The interaction and energy make the magic feel like it works on it's own. I always feel strange in front of a camera or other magicians.

I am going to keep working on this, wondering if I should move into CMHC at the end.

As for patter I have always liked to play off quantum theory and space between particles for CMHC. Fits with my personality, Do you think that goes too far into lala land for this routine? I guess the idea is that I want to use this as a way to get people to watch some magic, many who are skeptical. I need to work on some patter to convince them it's worth taking a look, even if the idea is completely ridiculous. I always feel comfortable tying it to some sort of bogus scientific probability.
Message: Posted by: john wills (Nov 8, 2013 03:14PM)
Try to write a script.
Plot: matter through matter - solid through solid.
Perhaps one line could be: "Your mind has to be elastic to understand this penetration"

Also you can try to turn things around.
Perhaps the effect is stronger if you start with
the rubberband penetration and after that
the finger penetration

Go for it! Make it your own.
Message: Posted by: anevard (Nov 8, 2013 03:46PM)
Thanks John.

I do have some ideas around that patter. Going to keep playing with it and see where it goes.

You raised a point that is one of the big questions. Is it better to end with the band or the finger penetrations?
Message: Posted by: vinsmagic (Nov 8, 2013 03:46PM)
To hell with the script you have a excellent routine.
the magic speaks for it's self the r is noting worse than a boring script zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

vinny
Message: Posted by: Motley Mage (Nov 8, 2013 04:05PM)
I am going to side with Robert Blake on this one, with gtreat respect to my pal Vinny. As I watched the routine, I was quite impressed with the routine but kept thinking how much I dislike (personally) the fallback patter of, "I don't really understand why this happens, but when I do this, that happens." While I agree that too heavy of a script can dull the magic, simply telling the spectator what they are seeing is very dull indeed.
Message: Posted by: Motley Mage (Nov 8, 2013 04:07PM)
But make no mistake: my main message is that the moves seemed quite magical to me.
Message: Posted by: Mb217 (Nov 8, 2013 07:41PM)
[quote]
On 2013-11-08 16:46, vinsmagic wrote:
To hell with the script you have a excellent routine.
the magic speaks for it's self the r is noting worse than a boring script zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

vinny

[/quote]

I mostly agree.

And really, the patter ain't too bad either. :).

All in all, good job here anevard, and welcome to the Café. :)
Message: Posted by: vinsmagic (Nov 8, 2013 08:46PM)
Motley it is ok to disagree.....we are all different.
since this is such a magical routine and effect,
if this was performed just to music it would be beautiful.
vinny
Message: Posted by: anevard (Nov 8, 2013 09:03PM)
I have to tell you that I am a bit overwhelmed by the fact that you guys like the routine. Just the fact that the moves I have learned from great creators work well enough in my routine for magicians of your caliber to appreciate, makes me feel like my ability to perform magic might actually be not too bad. I do agree that the patter is weak. Although it would be fun to do this to music, in my case I want to use it to draw in people at a dinner or party so that I can perform for them. I believe that I have to come up with some simple interesting patter to draw them in.

Still wondering if there is a way to work CMHC into this.

Vinny and Marion, I love your stuff. Marion, I have been working on Revisited for 2 years now. One day I'll get it down well enough to want to perform it ;-)
Message: Posted by: Motley Mage (Nov 8, 2013 11:26PM)
You have a very solid base to start from here. I agree with Vinny that this could work as a silent routine with music; at the same time, as a table routine, a simple set of patter (and I love the "elastic mind" line) this could work well. Play it big--it's MAGIC!
Message: Posted by: Yellowcustard (Nov 9, 2013 01:59AM)
I think its a great routine.

I feel if it is put to music it need to be choreographed.

If you add patter lines keep it lose and simple. A few ideas,
1) just talk and expalin to pepoe why you like magic. How one thing changes place or soild througth soild.
2) Get a nice intresting ring and talk about the ring.

Just ideas have fun. You got a great base and its wonderful you want to build it in to a clean solid entertaing routine
Message: Posted by: ROBERT BLAKE (Nov 9, 2013 10:08AM)
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On 2013-11-08 16:46, anevard wrote:
You raised a point that is one of the big questions. Is it better to end with the band or the finger penetrations?
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end with the rubberband! why? it is called progression. how can you get more interest in your magic? the word is MORE! more magic more comedy more interaction more props. so start of with the ring alone is good. you can even jazz with it. then if you add something new THE RUBBERBAND this adds new interest - so building the act to a higher level.

magic should be possible with no patter. this way if it is noisy or foreigners are watching they still can enjoy the show.
Message: Posted by: Mb217 (Nov 9, 2013 11:55AM)
[quote]
On 2013-11-08 22:03, anevard wrote:
...Vinny and Marion, I love your stuff. Marion, I have been working on Revisited for 2 years now. One day I'll get it down well enough to want to perform it ;-)
[/quote]

Well, thank you anevard. Your comments are much appreciated. :)

ReVisiTed is one of my most favorite effects to perform, I do it regularly for people wherever I go and it never ceases to amaze. :) Many times, it might be the only effect I get a chance to do but it's always enough to keep them wanting more whenever they see me again. :D

Funny, just the other day, I was paged on the loud speaker to come to the big boss' office…He had heard about my magic and wanted to see for himself, and so I showed him ReVisiTed. He always has a big smile and kind word whenever he sees me now. :)

Keep working with it and get it out there to people, it's truly worth it. ;) It would play well with your wonderful Ring Routine here. :) Anyway, thanks again.

-Mb
Message: Posted by: Ray Bertrand (Nov 9, 2013 12:40PM)
I thoroughly enjoyed your performance. There has been much advice given to you. My advice... "take what works for you and leave the rest". Good job.

Ray
Message: Posted by: john wills (Nov 9, 2013 01:21PM)
Motley
Thanks for your compliment.
I gave it, because Anevard asked for a "bogus scientific probability".
So why not Vinny, but I agree with you: accompanied by music it can be strong too.
But Anevard, you could also listen to the Prof.D. Pop Haydn. He tells some very strong scientific stories too and
some people think those stories are bogus (but they are wrong-I think).
In my opinion it's good to start with the rubberband and after that the penetration of the finger, because this last one
looks more impossible in the mind of the audience.
The transposition from one hand to the other can be delivered as the "cream dot on the cake".
Santé
Message: Posted by: anevard (Nov 10, 2013 09:49AM)
All the advice has been a great catalyst for thinking more about this routine. I believe there is a lot that can be improved and I will explore it over the next little while. Unfortunately, being a hobbyist, there are not too many opportunities to work it in front of people. However I will continue to fiddle and experiment, and bring something back to you guys in the near future.