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Topic: Shot Glass Production Comparison
Message: Posted by: tomsk192 (Nov 15, 2013 09:06PM)
This is a comparison between "Extra Shot", by Bill Abbott [owners of "Stabbed & Shot" will have this prop], and "Sure Shot", by Scott Alexander.

Firstly, this review will [b]not[/b] go into the modus operandi of these tricks.

Secondly, both products are decent and reliable.

I have had Bill's shot glass solution for well over a year, and it shows no sign of failing. Scott's solution I have only recently acquired, so I cannot comment as to durability. From the material, I am expecting decent longevity.

Both creators provide a shot glass and top. Bill's top fixes around the outside of the glass, Scott's fixes to the inside.

[b]Glass size/shape:[/b]

Bill's glass is taller and thinner, Scott's is shorter and more squat. (Ooh, this is nasty...) Both look like real shot glasses, and both would pass muster in any bar or club. Bill's glass, due to the slimness, is just about sleevable, (yes, you could use a holdout), but I couldn't get Scott's glass up the sleeve at all. Not really a problem for me, as I wouldn't want to sleeve this or hold it out [i]up there[/i], to be honest. But for some, you may consider this point important.

[b]Leakage:[/b]

There is no leakage from either prop. Both work exceptionally well.

[b]Ease of removal:[/b]

Here's the thing. Bill's lid is [i]so[/i] secure, it requires considerable effort to remove it, which in some senses is no bad thing. Scott's lid is removed very easily, which for my purposes is more ideal. If you are using this as a final load in an egg bag, for instance, then either one will be fine, as you will essentially use a two handed removal. However... if a one-handed removal is required, then it all becomes a little bit complicated.

In "Stabbed & Shot", the removal is one handed, done under ludicrously good misdirection, and all is good. Scott's glass is sold via his egg bag routine, using a two handed removal. But..... if, for instance, you wanted to produce this from a back pocket, or from a typical body load, then my experience thus far is that Scott's is a lot less hassle.

Scott's comes with a tab attached to the lid, but it would be a cheap and easy task to fix something similar onto Bill's. The crucial thing is that with Bill's glass, you need considerably more force to remove the lid. But remember, this [i]could[/i] be more advantageous, depending on your needs.

Both these products are excellent, but there is little information here on them, so I hope this may be of use to some of you.

Tom
Message: Posted by: Zombie Magic (Nov 15, 2013 09:11PM)
Tomsk192, THANK YOU for all that time you took to make a comparison. At certain times I run into these and always wonder which one I'd prefer. From what you wrote, Scott's would be the one for me.

Thanks again!
Message: Posted by: Steve Hook (Nov 15, 2013 09:52PM)
Thanks for that excellent review and your time, Tom. That obviously took a while to write up.
Message: Posted by: tomsk192 (Nov 16, 2013 04:50PM)
My pleasure guys. There's something about producing a glass of liquid.... :cheers:
Message: Posted by: Bill Hegbli (Nov 16, 2013 07:26PM)
I have to inform all that there is a new gimmick on the market from Viking Magic.

No routine, just a very secure gimmick for a shot glass, and the price is right.

http://www.vikingmagic.com/just-arrived/Shot-Glass-Cover
Message: Posted by: tomsk192 (Nov 17, 2013 06:15AM)
Thanks Bill, I'll check that out.
Message: Posted by: Steve Hook (Nov 17, 2013 08:05PM)
Tom: If you haven't already, note the size of the shot glass on the Viking page. That won't work with some props/bags/etc.
Message: Posted by: tomsk192 (Nov 18, 2013 10:21AM)
Good point, Steve!
Message: Posted by: Xpilot (Nov 19, 2013 07:21AM)
[quote]
On 2013-11-16 20:26, Bill Hegbli wrote:
I have to inform all that there is a new gimmick on the market from Viking Magic.

No routine, just a very secure gimmick for a shot glass, and the price is right.

http://www.vikingmagic.com/just-arrived/Shot-Glass-Cover
[/quote]
Great price... if you don't mind paying $9.50 shipping for a $3.00 piece of rubber.
Message: Posted by: tomsk192 (Nov 19, 2013 06:41PM)
Heh :)
Message: Posted by: nornando (Apr 10, 2014 07:12PM)
I'll add my thanks tomsk192, I too was debating between the two - almost went with "Stabbed"even though my principal need was for an egg bag load (thought hey, kind of nice routine in addition to the shot) glass) but after reading your review I've got to go with
Sure Shot cause it sounds perfect for the egg bag.
Message: Posted by: tomsk192 (Apr 11, 2014 12:29PM)
Glad it helped :)
Message: Posted by: Ihop (Nov 17, 2014 09:45PM)
I just found this older thread while I was searching for "shot glass production."
It seems like Scott's production is what I am looking for but is more than I want to spend for a rubber seal.
It has to seal well and be easily removable.
I just need the seal itself or a seal/glass combo..
I don't need a DVD or bag.
The one from Viking looks like the price is right but it would be difficult to remove with one hand.
I want to use this to produce a loaded shot glass from a thin wallet.
Message: Posted by: Ihop (Dec 25, 2014 11:09PM)
I just got Sure Shot for Christmas.
Works great. Doesn't leak and easily removed with one hand.
Just what I wanted.

I have the shot glass from wallet trick.
Now I'm working on "FILLED" shot glass from wallet.
Message: Posted by: chappelly (Dec 27, 2014 07:48AM)
[quote]On Nov 17, 2014, Ihop wrote:
I just found this older thread while I was searching for "shot glass production."
It seems like Scott's production is what I am looking for but is more than I want to spend for a rubber seal.
It has to seal well and be easily removable.
I just need the seal itself or a seal/glass combo..
I don't need a DVD or bag.
The one from Viking looks like the price is right but it would be difficult to remove with one hand.
I want to use this to produce a loaded shot glass from a thin wallet. [/quote]

The one from Viking is excellent.

It is fairly easy to remove with one hand.

Chappelly
Message: Posted by: mgsaloon (May 7, 2015 02:20PM)
Hello All...I have got Scotts Sure Shot for the egg bag routine...But I also do Billy McComb's Whisky from the egg bag routine then make it disappear and then produce it from my pocket full. But for this I use the Viking shot glasses and rubber lids as I feel that they are more safer especially the one that is in my pocket..Does anybody else do Billy McCombs Whisky from the egg bag and then reappear in your pocket as a matter of interest to me. Thanks..
Message: Posted by: Bill Hegbli (May 7, 2015 03:50PM)
[quote]On Nov 16, 2013, tomsk192 wrote:
My pleasure guys. There's something about producing a glass of liquid.... :cheers: [/quote]

I once attended a lecture at a magic convention, Bev Bergeron lectured and during his speech, he removed a shot glass of liquid, and drank it. The a little later he did it again, and again. It blew me away at the time, and I knew the gimmick and trick all along. It was a real mystery and what made it a mystery was the repeat production. I never thought of producing more then one glass. I was the 1st to buy those lecture notes to see his set-up.
Message: Posted by: Bill Hegbli (May 7, 2015 03:51PM)
[quote]On Nov 19, 2013, Xpilot wrote:
[quote]
On 2013-11-16 20:26, Bill Hegbli wrote:
I have to inform all that there is a new gimmick on the market from Viking Magic.

No routine, just a very secure gimmick for a shot glass, and the price is right.

http://www.vikingmagic.com/just-arrived/Shot-Glass-Cover
[/quote]
Great price... if you don't mind paying $9.50 shipping for a $3.00 piece of rubber. [/quote]

Really, you only think you need only one.
Message: Posted by: shomemagic (May 10, 2015 07:47PM)
I seem to recall a routine from the past by Sam Berland that included a clever shot glass.. Im sure one of the great minds here will remember... After over 45 years in magic my memory isn't what it once was
Message: Posted by: senno52 (Sep 11, 2015 10:29PM)
Does anyone know if the Bev Bergeron can be found anywhere? I'd like to produce shot glasses from a paper bag through out my routine. Can anyone recommend any routines I can research that might help or which of the above gimmicks might work best? Thanks

Joe
Message: Posted by: Bill Hegbli (Sep 12, 2015 12:19PM)
If after you produce your shot glass, the magician kind of thing to do is to vanish it. Take a look at the famous Percy Abbott trick called "Squash". If is nice magical method to vanish a shot glass surrounded.

http://www.abbottmagic.com/Abbotts-Squash-ABBsquash.htm?categoryId=-1
Message: Posted by: senno52 (Sep 12, 2015 02:04PM)
Thanks for the info.
I'm not really looking to vanish though. More of a running 'gag' or call back. I'd like to produce one at the start, then one (possibly two) more through out the show. I'm looking for what gimmick might work best. I'm thinking of sleeving for the first production (so, like you had mentioned, Bill's might be best for this) and not sure for the others, so I'm hoping to find routines or handling for some ideas. I can't seem to find Eugene Burger's handling and I'm not sure if his would be able to be done standing, which is what I'm planning on.
Message: Posted by: Ihop (Sep 12, 2015 04:08PM)
[quote]On Sep 12, 2015, senno52 wrote:
Thanks for the info.
I'm not really looking to vanish though. More of a running 'gag' or call back. I'd like to produce one at the start, then one (possibly two) more through out the show. I'm looking for what gimmick might work best. I'm thinking of sleeving for the first production (so, like you had mentioned, Bill's might be best for this) and not sure for the others, so I'm hoping to find routines or handling for some ideas. I can't seem to find Eugene Burger's handling and I'm not sure if his would be able to be done standing, which is what I'm planning on. [/quote]

I usually use a wallet to produce a filled shot glass. After the production of the filled shot glass, I produce a small airplane size bottle from the same wallet. (sleeving).
I bartend once a week and it comes in handy. The wallet I have, I purchased at Tannens' in NYC.
I forgot the name but I can dig it out if you are interested. I found another one (Solari) at:
http://www.themagiccafe.com/forums/viewtopic.php?topic=477218&forum=218
but I never used the Solari wallet
Good Luck
Message: Posted by: Taterini (Sep 14, 2015 11:04PM)
Ihop -
I think this might be the one you are referring to....
http://themagicwarehouse.com/TA8238/Bottle-From-Wallet.html&keyword=BOTTLE%20FROM%20WALLET
Message: Posted by: Ihop (Sep 15, 2015 12:45PM)
[quote]On Sep 15, 2015, Taterini wrote:
Ihop -
I think this might be the one you are referring to....
http://themagicwarehouse.com/TA8238/Bottle-From-Wallet.html&keyword=BOTTLE%20FROM%20WALLET [/quote]
Thanks,
That looks like it.
Message: Posted by: Ihop (Sep 15, 2015 12:50PM)
When I work as a bartender, I'll produce a filled shot glass from the wallet and clink glasses with the customer and down the shot glass. I then produce the small liquor bottle from the same wallet.
Of course, it's filled with water. The customer knows I'm drinking water. Otherwise, I won't be able to drive home. :stout: :drinkup:
Message: Posted by: senno52 (Sep 15, 2015 03:05PM)
Thanks for the info and suggestions. Still not quite what I'm looking for. I'll keep looking though.

Joe
Message: Posted by: Bill Hegbli (Sep 15, 2015 05:01PM)
Senno52, gimmicks and process are two different things. Here we are discussing mainly the gimmick, not the effect. To continually produce a glass of liquid from a paper bag, requires a routine and method. I don't know any such method. Bev Bergeron's was from his inside coat. This cannot be transferred to a paper bag, although it can be a running gag, as that is how he used it.

There have been many glass productions, but none repetitive at different times. Sam Berland sold an egg bag that had to do with producing shot glasses and cordial glasses, ending in a glass of beer. This was all in one routine, not broken up into segments.

Richard Osterlind's Glass From Large Paper Bag is a real mystery, but it is only one large size glass, and is not repeated. I don't own it so I cannot say if it can be converted to repetitive productions or not. You might as Richard Osterlind, he is member of the Cafť.

So what I am saying, you will most likely have to come up with a method yourself. You don't seem to have all the information that has previously gone before, so you are at a disadvantage at being able to adjust what has gone before.
Message: Posted by: chappelly (Sep 15, 2015 06:25PM)
Try Brad Manuels Routine http://www.thecomedymagicshop.com/ He repetitively produces shot glasses of drink from his shoe.
Message: Posted by: Bill Hegbli (Sep 16, 2015 01:34PM)
[quote]On Sep 15, 2015, chappelly wrote:
Try Brad Manuels Routine http://www.thecomedymagicshop.com/ He repetitively produces shot glasses of drink from his shoe. [/quote]

I purchased Brad Manuel's SCHNAPPS SHOT years ago for only $30 online, and there was not a routine, just the glass and gimmick and poor written instructions on a little sheet of paper. I thought it was overpriced then, and really over priced now.

Now it is $105.00. Still his ad does not say if a DVD or routine comes with the glass and gimmick. Just see his lecture notes, which I do not see on his website. There is no holder gimmick of any kind, so it leave us back where we started. How to get it into the bag undetected, for use in a running gag.
Message: Posted by: senno52 (Sep 16, 2015 07:27PM)
Thanks for the replies everyone. Looking forward to working this out :)
Message: Posted by: Moxahalla (May 16, 2019 03:24PM)
There is a guy at the Magic Castle named Anthony Lape that produces 7 genuine shot glasses of various sizes, of real liquid - from his jacket...using one hand, and no fumbling. I had no idea what's going on.
Message: Posted by: Steven Conner (May 16, 2019 07:33PM)
A r****r b*** will do the trick. Been doing for years.

Best

Steve
Message: Posted by: Uncle Joe (Jun 23, 2019 10:18AM)
David Stone produces numerous cocktails from his sleeve. Canít recall which DVD itís on though.