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Topic: Why????
Message: Posted by: Ed Solomon (Dec 21, 2013 08:12PM)
Several months ago I posted the following on another forum and got a smattering of responses that ranged from caustic to sincere. It is a question that requires introspection and consideration.
I wonder what response it will evoke within this merry band. While probably not a good time for this, here 'tiz.

As he reads the latest, from the most current posts to the archives, DeNomolos ruminates, cogitates, fumes and fusses, as he ponders the philosophies behind obvious variations of blah, blah, blah and yada,yada,yada. When pressed for his reasoning, all that he said was that he wondered "why? " We've heard him rant and rave over relevancy like a devils advocate, and have watched him open many a can of worms as he alienates would be associates with his vitriolic diatribe. He has that snide side for which he is infamous. The burr under his saddle has to do with a series of wry observations that he has made as he reads magical forums. Just what is the real motivation for prioritized posting?
1. I want to sell you something.
2. I want to tell you something
3. I want to yell something at you.
4. I want instant recognition and gratification.
5. I want to have more posts than you do.
6. I can do this and you can't, so there!
7. I want to know what you are doing that I'm not.
8. I like what you are doing. Where can I get one?
9. Howdy Dodat?
10. Me too.
11. Me three.
12. Mine's bigger than yours.
And last, and unfortunately least:
13. I have an interest in originality and would like to share ideas.

Ok. Wishful verbiage or whimsy, the old coot made me think about whys and wherefores, and hopefully, he hasn't stepped on any toes. 70 years in magic has a downside in that mocking bird mouths overrides the hummingbird behinds, but the generational gag doesn't prevent critique or assignation. Think what you will from this rambling, but think. THINK!

Brighten dark corners!
Message: Posted by: KOTAH (Dec 21, 2013 08:56PM)
Greetings Ed, I have responded to this in an earlier e mail as you know.

I reaffirm my sentiments here and now,

And will visit again soon to see how many replies your post garners.


Kotah
Message: Posted by: Dr Spektor (Dec 21, 2013 09:27PM)
Well, my post on reflection for the holidays has my thoughts related to this question.

Not that anyone reads what I write - but that us another question :)
Message: Posted by: Godzilla (Dec 21, 2013 10:04PM)
My feelings are...Some,would be better making tweets on twitter!
They do not respond to others,nor read others' post,and post as 'look at me' ! :(
Some,you never even see here...unless,it is a plug for themselves or about selling or doing a gig!

@ DrSpektor,I have said this before...I always read your post,So don't inlude all of us! :)

@ Ed,I think some give better replies through emails and Pm's!
And,thanks for a couple Pm's you have sent me on certain subjects! :)

Merry Christmas!
From,Me & Capt.Morgan!
Message: Posted by: Dr Spektor (Dec 21, 2013 10:17PM)
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On 2013-12-21 23:04, Godzilla wrote:

@ DrSpektor,I have said this before...I always read your post,So don't inlude all of us! :)


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But you are not anyone - you are someone!!!!! :P (besides on the Astarte thread I actually did thank you by name for actually contributing to the thread - it's nice to know someone is engaging in the discussion)
Message: Posted by: Godzilla (Dec 21, 2013 10:25PM)
Bruce,I know you did...I read it ! LOL

:)

IMHO...Spooky and the Folk here,are the best on Café !
Message: Posted by: ZoOpDoG (Dec 22, 2013 12:22AM)
If we are passionate about our interests then all of the above will come true at some point. At this moment I am number 2. As soon as I click on the next thread - I spin the wheel. I do not judge other members by anything but balance and would be surprised if anyone would stick around for any length of time if they felt otherwise.
Message: Posted by: ZoOpDoG (Dec 22, 2013 12:34AM)
I just reread my post about 5 times congratulating myself on how insightful I can be. ...better make that number 14. (or is that contained in #4 & #12?)
Message: Posted by: Brynmore14 (Dec 22, 2013 05:01AM)
Ed,

#14 - I wish to elicit a response from my fellow denizens, and hear their thoughts, feelings and ideas on a particular topic.

That is the Yin to the Yang of your number 13.

I have in the past, and will continue to, post topics in the hope of provoking discussion on this wonderful art. That's why I have asked people what they consider to be the classic effects of Bizarre Magic, a topic which actually hung around for a couple of weeks getting responses, all of which I enjoyed.

Having said that, and in light of the Docs recent post, I shall redouble my efforts to post and respond to topics which are not product-centric, but seek to shine an illuminating light on our dark art.

And...happy holidays to you all.

Brynmore
Message: Posted by: Ed Solomon (Dec 22, 2013 07:32AM)
Wise words from wonder workers as expected.
Good thoughts, all.
I'm taken back to early playground taunts that haunt my memory of elementary school in the late 1930s;
Like it was yesterday, I remember these edifying details.

Diggers dig
Workers work
Thinkers think and
Stinkers stink

And that was the teachers saying that.
We ARE a band of thinkers, diggers, doers, and workers.
Your immediate responses prove that.
Message: Posted by: Dr Spektor (Dec 22, 2013 08:15AM)
[quote]
On 2013-12-22 08:32, Ed Solomon wrote:
Wise words from wonder workers as expected.
Good thoughts, all.
I'm taken back to early playground taunts that haunt my memory of elementary school in the late 1930s;
Like it was yesterday, I remember these edifying details.

Diggers dig
Workers work
Thinkers think and
Stinkers stink

And that was the teachers saying that.
We ARE a band of thinkers, diggers, doers, and workers.
Your immediate responses prove that.


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Aye but where be the stinkers????
Message: Posted by: Eddie Garland (Dec 22, 2013 10:47AM)
Here I am!
I thought you guys would never get around to me!
Message: Posted by: YitzhakNoDice (Dec 22, 2013 11:10AM)
If I may, I'd like to turn your question on its head, Ed. Instead of 'why?', lets consider 'why not now?' (I.e., lets go all Hillel on it.)

Let's see if these reasonss for NOT posting ring any spirit bells:

1. I'm too busy to write a thoughtful response, so I won't bother.
2. I don't post because I don't think I have anything useful to post.
3. I'm enjoying reading this thread, and would like to continue do so, but everytime I post the thread mysteriously dies or is swallowed by He Who Shall Not Be Named.
4. I'm sure mine is smaller than yours, so why expose it?
5. I'll keep my proprietary thought to myself, because I'm guarding my special technique, effect, etc.
6. I'm not a professional, I only dabble (or collect, are here to learn, steal trade secrets, monitor for potential terrorist activities, etc.), so its not my place to post.
7. Huh, what? I don't understand.
8. I'm too advanced in experience (or knowledge, skill, intelligence, etc.); it would be beneath me to post.
9. Pick a number from 1 to 10 (not including 1 or 10), then lets see if my prediction matches... (I.e., what I would like to post would take the thread in a different direction or otherwise hijack the thread.
10. I'd better not post what I'm thinking; it will surely be taken the wrong way (or offend, insense, etc.).
11. No one would care what I thought I might post.
(And the respone you can't get)
12. I don't read the threads.

I can certainly say I have invoked many of the above excuses.

Hopefully, if someone's reason for not posting is #7, they'll do some research! Learn!

Brynmore and Dr. S. - I always enjoy your threads (even if I do invoke #1 or #2 too frequently). Keep them coming.

Thanks to everyone who's taken the time to respond to this thread.

Thank you, Ed, for starting this discussion!
Message: Posted by: Ed Solomon (Dec 22, 2013 01:30PM)
Ah ha, thinkers ARE among us.
That was what I was searching for.
We are beset with reasons now and all in good faith.
Thanks the to thee that respond and join the discussion.
ENLIGHTENMENT WILL BE OUR REWARD.
Message: Posted by: Wizard of Oz (Dec 22, 2013 02:09PM)
I try to intelligently contribute when I can, but as a collector and casual performer, I back down when the conversation becomes too intellectual - or experience-based. Not because I'm lazy, but because I don't want to contribute anything that is naive, ignorant, inaccurate, poorly researched, or down-right untrue. I feel for the educated performers in this area of the Café, a false gesture of knowledge would be inconsiderate.

That said, when the going gets tough...I keep reading. And learning. And trying to at least say "thank you" along the way to all the folks who have posted and taught me things since I've been here...and they've taught me a lot. So while I may not always contribute valuable info for the cognoscenti, I do want to say "thank you" to the many of you who have helped so many of us discover this bizarre world. I love coming here and learning...and there is so much to learn.

Happy holidays everyone.
Message: Posted by: Brynmore14 (Dec 22, 2013 03:07PM)
Yitzhak,

I'll keep them coming thick and fast.

Your #3 has thwarted me on many occasions, as does the tablet I post using, which has deleted many of my lengthiest and most in depth posts and answers through one accidental wrong press of the touch screen. Having said that my hand eye tablet coordination is getting better slowly.

#5 is a concern to some folks, but I really think the process of peer review has so many benefits to the art and us as individual performers, that unless you are planning on marketing it, then it is a **** weak excuse. I've probably just shown my disregard for #10 & #11 in that statement ;)
Message: Posted by: Eddie Garland (Dec 22, 2013 04:28PM)
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On 2013-12-22 15:09, Wizard of Oz wrote:
I try to intelligently contribute when I can, but as a collector and casual performer, I back down when the conversation becomes too intellectual - or experience-based. Not because I'm lazy, but because I don't want to contribute anything that is naive, ignorant, inaccurate, poorly researched, or down-right untrue. I feel for the educated performers in this area of the Café, a false gesture of knowledge would be inconsiderate.

That said, when the going gets tough...I keep reading. And learning. And trying to at least say "thank you" along the way to all the folks who have posted and taught me things since I've been here...and they've taught me a lot. So while I may not always contribute valuable info for the cognoscenti, I do want to say "thank you" to the many of you who have helped so many of us discover this bizarre world. I love coming here and learning...and there is so much to learn.

Happy holidays everyone.
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beautifully written Sir Wizard of Oz
Message: Posted by: KOTAH (Dec 22, 2013 07:26PM)
I would like to comment and offer in put concerning Dr. Spektors thoughts and threads.

My roblem is 9 times out of 1o, I have to google search the subject to find out what he is talking about.

By the TIME I understand, the thread is full.

H e uses very big words ya know.

K
Message: Posted by: Eddie Garland (Dec 23, 2013 01:58AM)
Spooky is blessed to have heaps of great minds.

But perhaps we are guilty of being intellectually competitive in threads?
This could be off-putting to most.
Message: Posted by: Brynmore14 (Dec 23, 2013 02:37AM)
[quote]
On 2013-12-23 02:58, Eddie Garland wrote:
Spooky is blessed to have heaps of great minds.

But perhaps we are guilty of being intellectually competitive in threads?
This could be off-putting to most.
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Really Eddie? I'm new to this whole Bizarre caper, but compared to most areas of life I see a whole lot more humility here than most places.

Can you elaborate on what you meant Eddie?
Message: Posted by: Eddie Garland (Dec 23, 2013 02:49AM)
[quote]
On 2013-12-23 03:37, Brynmore14 wrote:

Really Eddie? I'm new to this whole Bizarre caper, but compared to most areas of life I see a whole lot more humility here than most places.

Can you elaborate on what you meant Eddie?
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I'd rather not elaborate Brynmore14...but I have attempted to make intelligent sounding statements merely to show off. :)
Message: Posted by: Mormo Zine (Dec 23, 2013 04:13AM)
I only do it for the fame!

:punkrocker: $$$$$ :punkrocker:
Message: Posted by: Brynmore14 (Dec 23, 2013 05:38AM)
Not sweat Eddie, I'm ok with the occassional self agrandisement.
Message: Posted by: Eddie Garland (Dec 23, 2013 01:46PM)
Self aggrandizement...that is funny...even sounds pleasurable.
Message: Posted by: Mormo Zine (Dec 23, 2013 06:15PM)
But seriously, I mostly don't post my opinions here because I am afraid of being banned and I might want to use this forum as a marketing tool in my salad years.

(Am I going to be banned now?)
Message: Posted by: Dr Spektor (Dec 25, 2013 04:41PM)
Hmmmm I hope my posts have not gone across as intellectually off putting - I just like discussing all sorts of things relevant to the art :( if so, my apologies - but I think if anyone feels that why, it would be dispelled by asking questions on source materials and so on which I know I an dithers would stare - I'm just happy spooky us not 99% product promotion like other areas - we are at about 70% which isn't bad IMHO
Message: Posted by: YitzhakNoDice (Dec 25, 2013 08:10PM)
Use all the sesquipedalian words you like, Dr.S. It has been nice to start thinking a bit and not simply respond to each thread by typing "Just ordered one." So, thank you for kicking up the magic dust a little.
Message: Posted by: Tim Dowd (Dec 26, 2013 03:20AM)
Just ordered one...
Message: Posted by: EVILDAN (Dec 26, 2013 07:35AM)
To post or not to post, sort of the question? Let's start at the beginning. Why do we even come here in the first place? I think it's because of our common bond: a love for magic.

There's a lot on this board. There are categories that I've never even visited, much less threads that I haven't read or contributed to.

Some come looking to research new magic. In the review of a new piece of magic that just hit the market, I find the posts valuable because the advertising doesn't always lend itself to the truth, as we well know, especially those of us that have ordered from the back of Johnson Smith catalogues. In this case, when someone posts a review and says something like, works great but it's got one real bad angle that kills it for restaurant work. When I see subsequent posts from restaurant workers agreeing with the same, I know it's got a bad angle that kills it for restaurant work.

There are people that come here looking for inspiration. Otherwise why would people be asking what are your 3 greatest walk around effects for Halloween? We all know what's good for one doesn't make it good for the other. But, we continue to ask waiting for that one answer that will give us an epiphany and start us on a new track of thinking.

And then there are the fiery threads ignited by passion, stubborness and ego. Perhaps there should be a separate section for this. When a thread gets hot and debated and the name calling starts, it gets picks up and dropped into the hot zone. Enter at your own risk. There prepare to slice your enemy into a thousand pieces while he plans on evaporating you before you can even reach for your plasma Samurai sword.

We all come here for a reason. Too many to mention. Why we post or don't post? Again, to many reasons to mention. There I times when I'm writing something at work, have a lot to say and then I'm called into a meeting. Rather than posting a partial reply, I just delete it...never to return to the post.

Okay, I've rambled enough. Why did I post all this? I really don't know.
Message: Posted by: EVILDAN (Dec 26, 2013 07:39AM)
And of course there is the obvious reply to all this: "Why not?"