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Topic: Origin of the vanishing silk with a ##
Message: Posted by: MagicDebbie (Jan 27, 2014 05:26PM)
It was cerated by Chris Capehart. He didn't smoke , so instead of vanishing a lit cig, he used the ## to vanish a small silk. It was his very first "trick" he used on Broadway in NYC. You can check the old catalogs and books and there is no mention of using a ## for the silk vanish. It's Mr. Capeharts innovation.
Message: Posted by: Dick Oslund (Jan 27, 2014 06:44PM)
I've met Chris at Abbott's about 10-12 years ago, We didn't really get "acquainted", but had a brief conversation. BTW he did a fine lecture, and he "caught" Jay Marshall with a ring move!

I'm very interested in your statement that he was the first to do the silk in TT van. Can you verify the approximate date??? BOBO showed it to me MANY years ago, when we were jackpotting in Chicago. J. B. didn't mention how long he had been doing it, but it wasn't 'new' to him.

Yr's, 'til the curtain closes!

Dick Oslund
Sneaky, underhanded, devious and surreptitious itinerant mountebanc

PS: Was there a previous post on this topic? If so, I missed it.
Message: Posted by: noland (Jan 27, 2014 07:11PM)
I seem to recall that Jack Chanin's silk act--which was published many years ago--started with the production of a silk from a TT. I don't recall, though, whether he also vanished the silk or not.
Message: Posted by: Iron Butterfly (Jan 28, 2014 05:16PM)
Yup...and Al Gore discovered the internet...err created it.
Message: Posted by: gallagher (Jan 29, 2014 05:50AM)
Hey MagicDebbie, welcome to the Café'.
,..welcome to the Sidewalk Shuffle.
Your Post made me smile a bit,.. plesantly.
This past weekend, I was talking the same subject,..
to like EVERYONE I was running into(!).
,...buying milk at the gocery store,.. shoveling snow with my neighbor,.. cooking tea with my Missus.
You kinda let everyone hang, though, by not,...."telling the rest of the story".

I'm sure you'll pulling your info from Chris Capehart's interview, in Reel Magic.
You should say it,...
yeah folks,.. Chris Capehart gives this exact laydown, in this interview(!).
,..unbelievible.
An unbelievible interview,.. I totally believe!
(It's 20 some minutes,.. just about the Streets.
Nö pipe-dreams,.. his experiences,..
shot right between the eyes.
Really good.)

As He tells this "thumb-tip story", I had to gag a bit, as well,...
but then, as he goes on,.. and tells more,..
I believe him.

My favourite part of the Interview, is when Kozmo asks,
"So, like at this time, you and Jeff Sheridan were like the only guys playing the Streets in New York,.."
And Chris cuts him off and says,
"Nö, Nö. Jeff played IN THE PARK. I played on the Streets."

,from that point on,...
I believed everything he says,..
and he talks,..
with a confident smile.

,made my hair stand up,..
even the ones that are nö longer there(!).
smiling,..
and again,.. welcome,
gallagher.
Message: Posted by: RS1963 (Jan 29, 2014 09:29AM)
If I'm not mistaken isn't the silk vanish with a T.T. taught in the Tarbell course? It could just be the cig vanish but I want to say that the vanishing of a silk was also taught. I am out of state right now so I can't check to see.
Message: Posted by: RS1963 (Jan 29, 2014 09:29AM)
Never mind I just discovered that I am wrong so disregard my post above
Message: Posted by: MagicDebbie (Jan 29, 2014 09:33AM)
Gallagher, I'm not familiar with Real Magic. Chris told the story of how he started vanishing the silk with a ## at a lecture I attended many years ago. I picked up his notes "Doing It On The Streets" and that got me busking.

Is Chris Capehart a Café member? If so, it would be grand if he could expound on his story.
Message: Posted by: Dick Oslund (Jan 29, 2014 12:56PM)
DEBBIE>>>i'm NOT challenging your story -- or Chris's.

I'm merely curious. BOBO showed me what he was doing in his school show in 1975 (Chicago SAM Convention. J.B. did not claim ORIGINALITY, but the chances of Bobo,living in Texarkana TX, and working the surrounding states, seeing Chris in NYC are "astronomical"!

I started using it immediately.

In our business there are uncountable cases of "parallel thought.
Message: Posted by: MagicDebbie (Jan 29, 2014 03:08PM)
Dick Oslund, I believe Chris developed his vanishing silk in NYC, early 1970's. His birthday is this Sunday. If I get a chance to speak with him I'll ask.
Message: Posted by: RS1963 (Jan 29, 2014 03:25PM)
In Milbourne Christopher's 50 Tricks With A T.T. The Silken Dollar is taught ( Silk from Bill) as well as an appearing silk. There isn't a vanishing silk but it wouldn't be a far stretch for anyone to have come up with vanishing the silk by the same method. Christopher's booklet was published in 1948 so it would be logical that the vanishing silk using a T.T. had been done by at least the late 1940's early 50's if not before.
Message: Posted by: MagicDebbie (Jan 29, 2014 03:31PM)
I haven't been able to find the vanishing of a silk with a ## in any of the books, booklets or magazines I've researched.

I think it's a fun topic to talk about. I tried talking about magic in a tricks section and some people were so rude. Trolls and a little man with a short complex were all bent out of shape and trying to sound smart. Tsk-tsk!
Message: Posted by: RS1963 (Jan 29, 2014 05:58PM)
When was the Silk In Apple effect first marketed? That was an effect of Gene Elmo's I think it's always used a T.T. Maybe not it could have used a metal or plastic vile before the T.T. was added. If The Silk In Apple had always used a T.T. well then maybe there is our answer?

I just looked and Gene Elmo came up with the Silk in Apple in the 1930's so if a T.T. was always used in this effect, that would show that the vanishing silk using it has been done for at least 8 decades.
Message: Posted by: 55Hudson (Jan 29, 2014 11:19PM)
Milbourn Christopher's Fifty Tricks with a Thumb Tip includes a silk production using a thumb tip. In this trick, the silk produced is just a corner, but the thinking is there. Also, Jean Hugard's Hankerchief Magic includes a similar finger tip routine. This books were originally published in 1948 and 1937, respectively. It seems that 20 or 30 years is a long span before someone took the next step ... Interesting thinking about the eveloution of such a simple trick!

Hudson
Message: Posted by: MagicDebbie (Jan 30, 2014 12:24AM)
I love that everyone is doing research and sharing knowledge. I started doing a bill switch with a ## in the 1990's. I was surprised when researching that it was developed ( or released ) only in 1977 when Michael Kozlowski released Vladimir Vladimirov's creation as "The 100 Bill Switch". Chicago bar magcians were doing ##-less switches for decades. I would have thought using a ## would have been developed much earlier than 1977.
Message: Posted by: Dick Oslund (Jan 30, 2014 06:00AM)
I picked up the $100 bill swtch from Mike K, in Chicago in the early '70s, when I was working the Chicago area one Christmas. None os the Chicago guys was using a TT. I've never switched (!) to using a TT.

I read the Milbourne Christopher booklet about "50 years ago". I don't recall details, but the idea of using a scrap of silk in TT is ancient. (I have 'instruction sheets' printed on tiny SCRAPS OF PAPYRUS!!!) I BELIEVE that Burling Hull (sometimes called "Hurling Bull" by old timers)gets the credit for the use of the silk scrap as a "decoy" in the "Elusive Silk". (That's what Haroldl Rice called it)

I use Burling's basic technique regularly (I've done some adapting to make it easier)and plan to write up my handling in the book. It is practical for walk around gigs, as it resets automatically. I also use it in my 20th Century Silks routine--all I need to carry is the silks and a TT!)

Kindly express my "HAPPY BIRTHDAY TO HONORABLE CHRIS CAPEHEART" ==Tell him that BRAD LANCASTER sends same greetings!
Message: Posted by: Magician Shaun (Feb 3, 2014 04:43PM)
MagicDebbie where are you located at? Do we know each other? Have we met twice at a certain Burger Festival?
Message: Posted by: Dick Oslund (Feb 3, 2014 09:24PM)
>>>>>RS 1963>>>>>>>>>

For years, the metal TT was almost exclusively used for vanishing a lit cigarette BUTT in a handkerchief. MY first TT was barely an inch long -- and the paint job didn't match my skin either! Oh! it was used for Burling HULL'S "Elusive Silk" (vanish) but it was used to hold a scrap of silk, used as a 'decoy'.

So,the "standard metal TT before Vernet, was far too small to do the van.silk effect that Debbie is speaking of.

Petrie & Lewis' GOBLIN TUBE used an extra long metal TT to load a 12" silk into a small drumhead tube that had been examined -- and capped -- by a spectator. I don't remember for sure,but the extra long TT may have been used to VANISH THE 12" SILK! I also don't know, but Gene Elmo may have used a "Goblin TT" to do the apple.
Message: Posted by: Mario Morris (Feb 4, 2014 12:33PM)
It is great seeing TT being disscused like this. I use one all the time it such a great prop. Often overlooked by to many Magicans. I think the humble TT has opened more doors and made me more money for me than any other prop I have ever had. Because of this I often refer to it as my Jedi prop! Does any one know who came up with the idea of TT?
Message: Posted by: Dick Oslund (Feb 4, 2014 02:42PM)
Yes, the "inventor's name is known!"

WATCH THIS SPACE FOR MORE INFORMATIONl!

(TO BE CONTINUED!)
Message: Posted by: gallagher (Feb 4, 2014 04:00PM)
I'm not sure if this is apropriate, but...
Did you hear what the Leper said to the Prostitute?
"Keep the tip."

,naa,.. I guess it wasn't really.
gallagher
Message: Posted by: Endless West (Feb 19, 2014 07:32AM)
I was just reading "The beginner's guide to conjuring: Arthur Otto" copyright 1910 and it has the production and vanish of a silk via false finger on page 13 or 14.
Message: Posted by: Dick Oslund (Feb 19, 2014 12:52PM)
[quote]
On 2014-02-19 08:32, NeutronBomb wrote:
I was just reading "The beginner's guide to conjuring: Arthur Otto" copyright 1910 and it has the production and vanish of a silk via false finger on page 13 or 14.
[/quote]

I've never seen Mr. Otto's book, but you are describing a "6th f*ng*r. --NOT a TT! I do remember a prop being sold (I think in the '40s) called SLIK SILK. It was a 6th f*ng*er.
They were originally made of celluloid, I believe. I had one. It was a "horrible" pink color! --but it worked. Vernet makes them today. I've used them.--but, it's NOT A TT.
Message: Posted by: Dick Oslund (Feb 19, 2014 12:53PM)
I am checking out a few details on the inventor of the TT. WATCH THIS SPACE!
Message: Posted by: Endless West (Feb 21, 2014 07:45PM)
Dick Oslund, you're probably correct. I'm not familiar with the 6th finger gimmick so read it as a TT.
When are you gonna hit us with this TT research, I've been watching this space! :D
Message: Posted by: Dick Oslund (Feb 26, 2014 01:52PM)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>FOR THOSE WHO HAVE BEEN FAITHFULLY--AND PATIENTLY--WATCHING THIS SPACE<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<

HERE IS THE "REAL WORD" ON THE >>>>>>>>TT,<<<<<<<<<<<

(I wanted to check a few details)

PROFESSOR HERWINN (born, William Humpage)invented what "everyone of us has one of"! (I just did a "Charlie Miller"!)--I used a preposition to end a sentence with. That, as Winston Churchill once remarked, is "...something up with which I shall not put."

As far as I can determine the date of this auspicious occasion was "sometime" in 1885. (Senor VERNET wasn't born yet.)

The good professor was listed in "STANYON'A MAGIC" IN DECEMBER 1900. In August 1903,he is mentioned in "STANYON'S MAGIC" again. In May 1907, he is mentioned in SELBIT'S "THE WIZARD" magazine.

He was an early member of the MAGIC CIRCLE. (Hey! I (me) was an Associate of the INNER MAGIC CIRCLE, with GOLD STAR.)

He also invented the (brass) Vanishing Penny Box. (The underside of the English penny was plain brass, to match the box bottom.)

So! If anyone of you prestidigitators would like to claim inventing the thing (whose paint job never matched my skin) before that, spesk up!!! --or forever hold your piece!

His son, Charles, as "Carlni", toured the music halls with a SHADOWGRAPHY AND CHAPEAUGRAPHY act.
Message: Posted by: RiffRaff (Feb 26, 2014 02:06PM)
Dick, I could have saved you some research time. Alexander DeCova credits Prof. Herwinn for the invention of the TT in his TT DVD.
However, we still don't know who was the first to use a TT to vanish a silk.
Message: Posted by: Dick Oslund (Feb 26, 2014 05:19PM)
Hi RiffRaff! It just took a little time to contact an old friend who had the source. I emailed him, but he is a BUSY GUY,and didn't get back to me for about two weeks! I figured that I wouldn't get fired (!) so I just waited for him! You're right, we still don't know who was first............

I haven't seen the DeCova TT DVD, but I'm happy to know that it's not just me who cares about crediting originators!

As far as I know (I just met him briefly at Abbott's Get Together a few years ago) Chris Capehart is an honest guy, who has certainly proved himself as a qualified performer!
I've mentioned before that Bobo and I were jackpotting at an SAM convention in Chicago in the early '70s, and in the course of conversation, he showd me his handling of the
TT for a production and vanish of a 12" silk. That was July. I put it in as an opener that fall. I used it for 5 years or so. It played well. I now use it in casual strolling, and I use an 18" half silk and a LONG TT.

I'm not arguing with Debbie, I'm not claiming that I was first! --Bobo showed it to me. He never claimed to be the first, either. I'm just curious! I do wish Chris would come on here and tell us his side of the story.
Message: Posted by: bkmeyer (Feb 14, 2015 02:33PM)
Dick,

Great discussion on the TT so thank you and the others for their input. I'm curious, however, about your book. I've been hearing you mention it from time-to-time, and you mentioned in some correspondence with me also. I believe you have sufficiently built suspense and increased tension so we are all waiting for the anticipated arrival. Can't wait...

Thanks, Dick.

Bruce
Message: Posted by: RiffRaff (Feb 14, 2015 10:06PM)
BTW, Bugs Bunny invented the silk vanish in 1939, but he used a white FT instead of the standard TT.
See min. 4:30...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tuch_WMyx7U
Message: Posted by: Dick Oslund (Feb 15, 2015 05:53AM)
Hey! That proves it! Bugs Bunny's FT even matched his finger. I shall cease my search! Thanks Riff~! (So! Chris Capehart! --hee hee~)

I wonder if Herwin was related to Vernet.

BTW I am the proud possessor of the "world's only" double ended TT! I "obtained" it when helping Tom Ladshaw package Vernet TTs in "his" magic shop in Boca Raton, Florida in the early '90s.
Message: Posted by: Dick Oslund (Feb 15, 2015 08:04AM)
Bkmeyer!

Me, too! I sent the flash drive to Norm Barnhart several weeks ago. He is converting the "manuscript" to "book format" (I think I have those terms correct. I also sent a bunch of 8x20 glossies, and some miscellaneous Lyceum brochures, etc.

AS soon as the O degrees "chill out" we're experiencing,has abated, I'm planning on driving to Minneapolis to confer with Norm regarding publishing plans. In some ways, this "self publishing" seems to be easy, in other ways, it's not!

Thanks much for your continued interest!

Dick
Message: Posted by: mtpascoe (Mar 15, 2015 11:47PM)
It seems that the popularity of making a silk vanish in a TT began after Vernet came up with his plastic one. It had more room for a silk so it was logical that someone would have came up with it at that time. I kind of wonder if Mr. Vernet himself came up with it.

Mr. Capehart would have been in his teens at that time. It may be possible, but for it to become widely used by the magic fraternity in the late 70s by a young street performing teen seems improbable. Capehart would have to have invented it before 1978 and have it spread to California. Because Phil Sherman was selling TT at his shop called Magic World at that time. He use to demonstrate the vanishing silk in the TT in his shop. It was his best trick. He did it so well, that it inspired me. It became my life long passion. It was through his instruction that I worked on this trick my entire life.

Years later I too perform this at a magic shop and would repeat it in front of potential customers. I would repeat it right in front of their face and they would never see it. All thanks to Mr. Sherman.

I am not saying Phil invented it, but he got it from somewhere. I'm sure it was a standard item when he opened his shop. I think Vernet came out with his plastic TT in 1971. So from that point on, Mr. Capehart would have had the opportunity to use a TT to vanish a silk. The timeline is possible, so I'll give him the benefit of the doubt.

Some day I would love to publish a book and include the vanishing silk so I would like to credit the correct people. So I hope some day we do learn the truth.
Message: Posted by: Nick W (Mar 16, 2015 12:31AM)
Uhhh, seriously? the vanish of a silk in a TT is as old as the hills. I think its rather laughable that the original poster is saying it was invented by Mr. Capehart. Whoever had the brilliant idea to enlarge a thimble, crudely shape it into a body part then figure out that a piece of silk was the best thing to vanish with it, that happened a way long time ago..........a way long time ago.
Message: Posted by: Dick Oslund (Mar 16, 2015 04:42AM)
Nick! "Them thar" hills are a lot older than TTs!!! (give or take a million years!)

From what I've learned Prof.Herwin apparently went to a jeweler and had his TT made either of silver or gold.

A "way long time ago........a way long timer ago" is a rather loose time period. Can you give us a specific date???

I DID, Scroll up this thread, and read it for yourself!
Message: Posted by: Nick W (Mar 16, 2015 05:43PM)
Specific date? absolutely not! TT's, or any object that can fit on your thumb, have been around for a long time. longer than 100 years, and probably even longer than that. its not just a TT, its a principal. principal that you can load things on your hand. that's old. dare anyone argue that? yes I giggled when original poster said Chris Capehart invented the vanish of a silk in a TT. Any magicians working covent garden in the 70's here to chime in? its a classic. now, theres many cases of people having great ideas at the same time, that happens often. but I refuse to believe the original post has any truth to it. its not even logical to say that.
Message: Posted by: Dick Oslund (Mar 16, 2015 07:16PM)
OOPS! Sorry! I misunderstood! (my own fault) I was thinking that you were referring to Herwinn's "invention" of the TT, and you were talking about the use of the TT, as a feke to vanish a silk.

I suspect that the OP may have misunderstood Chris Capeheart. As I mentioned above, I only met him once, and briefly at that. I was definitely impressed by his talent, as he lectured.
Message: Posted by: mtpascoe (Mar 17, 2015 02:16AM)
The reason I doubt that a silk was used during Herwinn's time is just plain logic. The TT's in those days where too small to hold anything like a silk. I remember when I got my first one I didn't use it. I was too young to smoke (well, I could of, but didn't). I read Christopher's book, and liked a few tricks, but only played around with ideas. I think the only thing I did with it was a stretching thumb trick that fooled a few people when I think it should not have.

It wasn't until I bought a Vernet's that I really used the prop. After learning what I did from Phil Sherman, I have used it for other things as well. I like the Cut and Restored Ribbon with the TT. I tried the Hundred Dollar Bill switch, but like using it without a TT. Showed Mr. Electric that one. I even used it as a torn and restored sugar packet. The metal ones don't hold enough room for salt or sugar. But, the sugar packets and the packet itself holds just enough room in a nice size Vernet. (Of course a salt shaker filled with salt cannot.) But, a little bit of salt does work and I have done that as well.

I am just saying, I have not read or heard anyone doing the Vanishing Silk trick with the TT before 1970. Capehart is in the time frame, but I doubt that busking with the trick would have enough exposure to have it become a standard use of the gimmick.
Message: Posted by: noland (Mar 17, 2015 11:13AM)
Jack Chanin both made a silk appear, and disappear in his club act, using a metal thumb tip. His technique was published in his book "Silk at your fingertips." He used the vanish and reproduction of the silk as a lead in to a bare-handed production of progressively larger and larger silks, culminating in the production of a stack of fishbowls. I don't know what the publication date of the first edition of Chanin's book was, although the forward to the edition I own (a 1952 edition) is dated 1939. Which means Chanin was using the trick back in the '30's.

I think Chris Capehart's adaptation of the TT vanish and reappearance of a silk to street performance is brilliant. However, the trick itself preceded Chris.
Message: Posted by: mtpascoe (Mar 17, 2015 11:46AM)
Thank you Noland, this was the info I was looking for. I'll have to check to see if I can get this confirmed, but it seems that we are closer than we've been. No doubt by what you have mentioned that the precident was Jack Chanin, but the trend began with this trick when Vernet came out with his TT. And I'm sure magicians like Sherman, Darwin, and maybe even Capehart brought help make the trick popular.
Message: Posted by: mtpascoe (Mar 17, 2015 11:54AM)
I found a link to the book you mentioned Noland. Grand finale! : silk at your fingertips. It was published in 1940. Amazon has a 1952 copy starting at $35 http://www.amazon.com/Grand-finale-Silk-your-fingertips/dp/B0007HECPU

Not having the copy of it, I can't confirm if he used a TT to vanish a silk. It would have to be very small or a diamond cut to fit. The list of tricks in this link does show the use of TT, but of course we don't how it is used. The book looks good as there seems to be good effects in it. http://magicref.tripod.com/books/chaninjackgrandfinale.htm

Years ago I played with an idea of using a small portion of it in the TT after making a larger one disappear in a pull. But, with the diamond cuts and the larger TT's it is not necessary.
Message: Posted by: mtpascoe (Mar 17, 2015 12:30PM)
This link gives a free preview of the book of ten pages. In it Chanin talks about a production with a silk from a TT. It's not too far a jump to assume that you might have made it disappear as well. http://96.125.177.171/store/pc/Grand-Finale-Silk-at-Your-Fingertips-by-Jack-Chanin-PDF-101p216.htm#.VQhjRfx4pcQ

We are getting closer thanks to Noland. And if he remembers that the book did have the vanish, then it seems we might have a winner. However, if anyone does get this book, it does seem like a gem.
Message: Posted by: noland (Mar 17, 2015 01:48PM)
Chanin's book details both the appearance and VANISH of the silk using a TT. The vanish is described as follows: "Once more the right hand pushes the silk into the closed left hand, actually into the thumb tip, which was placed in the left hand, during the action. See Figure 6 (figure not reproduced). The right hand comes away bringing the thumb tip with the silk. Left hand move to the left above shoulder height. Once more the attention is taken away from the right hand. Make a few passes with the right hand over the left. The silk has vanished. Now show right hand empty as in Figure 7 (figure not reproduced) by momentarily pointing thumb with the tip of thumb towards audience. The audience will observe that the hand is completely empty, since the point of the thumb strikes their eye and it will be impossible for them to see anything on the thumb."
Message: Posted by: mtpascoe (Mar 17, 2015 07:41PM)
Chanin not only did the trick before Capehart, but the details of the move are correct. He knew how to handle the TT. There might be others before him, but so far it seems that Chanin was the first.

Now, did everyone get their ideas from Chanin or did this lay dormant for thirty years? These are the questions I am playing with as I am collecting info. Thanks Noland for filling the blanks. This is great stuff.

It's possible that Chanin's method was the inspiration as this is a very good book on silks. I doubt that this book would have just vanished. I'm sure someone in the 70s had the book and realized that the new Vernet TT would work better. Someone started the trend because it seemed that's when everyone was vanishing silk hankies.
Message: Posted by: Dick Oslund (Mar 21, 2015 09:05AM)
Thanks Noland! I KNEW Jack Chanin (met him in '53 at an MAES convention in Lancaster, PA.) Later, we were fellow members (with Dick Jarrow, Karrell Fox, Duke Stern, Doc Mossey, Jay Marshall, of THE SECRET SIX. I tell the story of the Secret Six in my book.

Jack was a MAGICIAN! I vividly remember he and I sitting in the green room at an MAES convention. We had a session on the C&R Rope. I learned more VALUABLE information in that hour, than at a hundred lectures!

Interestingly enough, we never discussed his silk act, and I never saw him do it, nor do I have a copy of his book.

However, I do not doubt, for a minute, that he would have used a TT for the vanish. He would have most likely used some sort of homemade TT (Jack was FAMOUS for that! or, he may have used a P&L GOBLIN TT.

Yes, I believe that the OP misunderstood Capeheart, or possibly, Chris THOUGHT that he had been the first.

Hell! After Bobo showed it to me in '75, I used it all over the U.S. in school shows, and in my lecture. --I never claimed to be the originator, I just passed it on, as I had s few lines that "sold" it. The lines were nothing fantastic, but I never said, "Here I have a red silk!"
Message: Posted by: Endless West (Mar 20, 2018 05:45PM)
I know this is an old thread, but Chatterbox brought it up at lunch the other day and it got me thinking..
In the first issue of Chap's Scrapbook, July 1938, Mr. Chapman has a trick called Purse Mys'try.
He has a sticker signed and placed on a silk. The silk is then vanished with a TT and reproduced from a change purse.

So at least since 1938 Frank Chapman was vanishing silks.
Message: Posted by: noland (Mar 24, 2018 05:14PM)
My copy of Chanin's "Silk at your fingertips" in which Chanin describes his thumb tip vanish of a silk was published in 1952. It was a re-publication of the original book. I don't know the publication date of the original book, but the forward to the original book was re-published in the 1952 edition. The forward was written by Frank Lane and is dated November 23, 1939, which is very close to the date of the Chapman book (July 1938). Presumably, since Chanin had a whole silk act built around his use of the thumb tip, he had been performing the routine for some time before the publication of his book. So it is possible that he developed a thumb tip vanish of a silk before Chapman, but of course this is all speculation. I wonder if Chapman and Chanin knew each other at that time and shared their magic ideas?
Message: Posted by: Endless West (Mar 24, 2018 07:31PM)
Chapman makes no claim to being the originator.
I think most probably thought of it as a utility device for vanishing, so claiming to be the first to vanish X in the TT seemed silly.