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Topic: Shiner resources.
Message: Posted by: Jamie D. Grant (Feb 5, 2014 09:05PM)
Hiya Gang!

I just picked up a beautiful Shiner and have been playing around with it. Just wondering if there's any books, notes, ideas, etc. that I can find anywhere. I reckon a lot of people, smarter than I, have come up with some interesting techniques.


Thanks!

~jamie
Message: Posted by: silverking (Feb 6, 2014 11:08AM)
Steve Forte - "Gambling Protection Series" DVD's (disc #2) has a bit on shiners.
But as noted quite a few times here, and elsewhere...these discs aren't a tool to teach the moves, but a tool to highlight what game protection is actually protecting.

Also, Forte's "Casino Game Protection" book has a bit on shiners, including Hand Held Shiners, Cigarette Shiners, Chip Shiners, Money Shiners, Glass Shiners, etc.

What you will find Jamie, is that there's quite a bit out there on various [i]types[/i] of shiners, but very little (in reality, probably nothing) that talks about their actual contemporary use.
You'll also find a fair bit of information on the use of cell phones, rings, lighters, and other "impromptu" shiners as well.

The reason for this lack of information has been talked about here in the Gambling Spot before, and it's related to the fact that some of the glims in use today, and some of the methods involved are still pretty advanced...still making money, and thus not written about or discussed in detail by those in the know.

Much (if not all) of the "who", "how", and "where" of [i]contemporary[/i] use is still considered to be underground.

You'll find plenty of standard references in books like [b]"Protection: The Sealed Book"[/b]. There are half a dozen or so old printed gems that are historically accurate and interesting, but don't bring anything new to the table, and don't have anything to do with current usage.
Message: Posted by: steve ehlers (Feb 6, 2014 11:10AM)
Tony Giorgio put out a pamphlet with a shiner that was very good. Also you might want to check out work by Steve Forte who includes information on shiners in his book on poker protection.

Steve
Message: Posted by: AMcD (Feb 6, 2014 11:29AM)
Using shiners is very very difficult!

You need perfect light conditions and a very good sight. Because the use of cut cards nowadays, most of the time you're gonna look at the top card while dealing, or while getting the deck into your hand before dealing.

Ring shiners are hard to use for instance. I mean, shiners imply you stare at an object at one moment, which, mainly, requires "weird" hand position, noticeable angles, etc. Spotting the top card with a ring shiner while dealing is an Art!

There are new object you can find around the tables nowadays, like cell phones, card clips, protector chips, etc. But their importance is very often exaggerated. Even in family games you are now allowed to get your cell phone besides your hands while playing :).

Don't forget that shiners can be used to look cards already dealt too. Like a "mirror" behind other players. What? Mirrors? Yeah, mirrors. Play in a pub, you'll understand what I mean...

Hey, a couple of hints now! No one will be surprised by the pint of Coke you always have when you play... Glass + black + reflection.... hmmm :P

Another one, my favorite. I really like the new I-wannabe-Hansen-Ivy-etc with their black, blue or orange specs at the card table. Especially when they check their hole cards lol.
Message: Posted by: Jamie D. Grant (Feb 6, 2014 12:41PM)
This is why I've always loved "The Gambling Spot" here on the Café. I find here, almost more than anywhere else, friends appreciate the importance of real-world application.

So thanks for the help! And you've all nailed it on the head. The one I picked up is on the back of a nickel. I have Steve's book- so I'll go take a look there- and it sounds like there's a few other places I can go explore. In the end, I reckon, I'm guessing it'll come up to personal development. This is definitely the magic side of me, though, lol. Trying to use something I picked up rather than what is best suited, lol.

On that note, I did a gig in the summer where the entire back of the stage was a massive mirror. Crazy. I was taping up tablecloths for hours! Talk about a shiner for the audience!!

~jamie
Message: Posted by: Cagliostro (Feb 6, 2014 02:47PM)
One of the best “real” hustlers I have ever known was Jack Newton, sometimes called “Little Jackie Newton.” I don’t know I he is still with us but if so he would be about 92 years old as of this writing.

Jack was a top-notch old-time card hustler and a class act. A real old school gentleman and he beat some very sharp and knowledgeable gamblers and cheats for big numbers in his day. His specialty was beating other cheats and he played a great deal of 5 card stud and Gin Rummy. One of his great skills was using a shiner and he was absolutely brilliant with the concept. He showed me uses I never would have dreamed of. For example, he showed me one technique where you could look directly at your opponent's face as you dealt the cards and still get every card off the top. [i]Absolutely brilliant!!![/i]

Top international casino hustler, great card counter, incredible Gin Rummy and Five Card Stud hustler, you name it – he did some very clever stuff. As I said, he beat some extremely sharp people during his lifetime. He was one of the “monster” hustlers I learned from.

He wrote a book in his later years entitled, “Gentleman Jack Newton – Confessions of a Crossroad Gambler” in which he describes [i]one[/i] of the shiners he may have originated. The book is not a particularly good book (but a worthwhile read). I don’t know the reason he wrote it but he only tipped about 1% of what he knew and could do in the book.

The one shiner he tipped in the book is fairly well known at this point in time, but he made a ton of money with it in his day as it was virtually unknown back then – and that is just one of the shiners he used. The others shiners and “techniques” were just too good to write about – and… using shiners were just one of several very clever methods he used to win with. By the way, playing a good shiner undetectably against very sharp and astute players for big money is an art and takes a lot of ability, skill and "stones."

I know the members have their own current heroes they look up to because these guy are skillful at doing a lot of fancy moves, have made a reputation among the Internet crowd, do expose demos and sell books and tapes, and I am certainly [i]not belittling those gents in any way[/i]although I doubt most, if not all of them could get the money successfully over time in tough big money games. However, some of the methods and techniques I have seen used under fire by some "legendary in their calling" hustlers would literally knock your socks off – and quite frankly I don’t care if anyone believes that or not.
Message: Posted by: silverking (Feb 6, 2014 02:55PM)
I believe it.

A chap held in very high regard here noted once that contemporary shiner work when done [i]very well[/i] remains one of the strongest plays around.

In PM's, it became clear to me that this level of work simply isn't shared, and isn't known to anybody outside those who actually innovate and use it on a regular basis.
Message: Posted by: AMcD (Feb 6, 2014 03:22PM)
Among the funny shiners I've been shown the last years one was very clever. It was a pile of fake chips glued together with a small, very small, mirror on one side. From the front and even from the sides it was absolutely impossible to notice anything. Very nice.

I've met guys with balls, really. Sometimes they show you stuff hard to believe. But it works. Here's another technique, bold, but efficient if you are like those guys. The "mirror" is simply on your lap, well, close to your groin if you prefer. You look at the cards when dealing, or when pausing before dealing burn cards etc, simply keeping the deck close to your body, or when tapping the deck for squaring it against your chest, a bit like BlackJack dealers do.

One was even more creative, he simply used his belt buckle! I call that a genius.

I could keep going for hours, but I'm just a current hero, known on Internet, exposing and selling books. I need to restrain myself, I wouldn't like to interfere with professionals. We are so glad, lucky and blessed to have such guys here (Okay, they mainly pontificate instead of showing, teaching and debating, but what an unbelievable honor it is).
Message: Posted by: Cagliostro (Feb 6, 2014 03:32PM)
[quote]
On 2014-02-06 16:22, AMcD wrote:
I could keep going for hours, but I'm just a current hero, known on Internet, exposing and selling books. [/quote]
You are definitely my hero, Arnold. :wavey:
Message: Posted by: Gary Plants (Feb 7, 2014 01:09AM)
Page 108 of The New Phoenix magazine has a big article by Audley Walsh on shiners. Probably more info here than anywhere else in print. Remember , this was a magazine for magicians. Arnold, your chip stack shiner is in this article.
Message: Posted by: splice (Feb 7, 2014 09:27AM)
I got the Allen-Giorgio shiner, it looks nice. The small manuscript that came with it is fairly basic. There was a section on shiners in Jon Racherbaumer's MO Magazine #5, mainly for magicians. Probably the most relevant stuff will be in Steve's books and tapes.

That being said, I prefer combing through the existing stuff, basic as it is, to hearing stories of great, advanced, and incredibly clever technique not published anywhere that no one can talk about. That may just be me.
Message: Posted by: AMcD (Feb 7, 2014 09:32AM)
@hofzinser

Oh, this shiner is in many sources. What I meant is that I was surprised to see how efficient it is.

Shiners are possible out of everything. Watch bracelet, lamp on the ceiling, etc. It seems there is no limit to creativity here. Here's a funny one: some cut cards, made of plastic, are reflective (!), just shift the cut card a bit and you can see the bottom card!!! Dunno if I still have that kind of cut card here, if yes, I'l post a picture later.
Message: Posted by: tommy (Feb 7, 2014 11:35AM)
Why does the Cincinnati Kid inspect the light shade?
Message: Posted by: Marlin1894 (Feb 7, 2014 12:12PM)
[quote]
On 2014-02-07 12:35, tommy wrote:
Why does the Cincinnati Kid inspect the light shade?
[/quote]

He wanted to see if it was a genuine Tiffany.
Message: Posted by: Cagliostro (Feb 7, 2014 12:44PM)
There are many items that can reflect a playing card with various degrees of clarity. In my opinion, that is really not the key to their use.

The key to me is how efficient and deceptive the shiner is and what is it to be used for. If used for gambling purposes, does it give continuous peeks or only an occasional look? How deceptive is it in actual use? How normal does the hand position look, is it over the table and how normal does the deal look? Would it be readily detected by an astute observer who has been around the block a few times so to speak and is playing you for serious money? Also, can you clean it up if suspected or can the “evidence” be seized? Are you using it for magic trick purposes or for gambling purposes and on and on???

Looking back over some old gambling books and catalogs written 50 or more years ago, one can find some very clever shiners that were probably more “practical” than some or the more “modern” shiners.

Looking at the KC Card Company’s 40th Anniversary catalog, on page 41 they list Ring Shiners, Regulation Shiners with Detachable Clips, Palm Shiners, Convex Shiners, Bill Shiners, Match Box Shiners and as I recall from memory, the old books and some catalogs listed Pipe Shiners, Chip Shiners, Cigarette Shiners and so forth.

Also, as a teenager studying Mental Magic, there were some clever shiner applications for Mentalism. I remember Richard Himber had a mental magic trick where one side of a U.S. quarter was shined up to be highly reflective, almost like a mirror. It was a very good and deceptive mental trick but the gimmick was not really practical for gambling purposes.

Sure you can have a money clip or reflective cell phone on the table or whatever, but how deceptive would it be except again some very easy prey, how obvious or awkward does the deal look under fire, is it obvious you are reading the top card and so forth?

The shiner used is just part of it. Using it cleverly and deceptively is just as important if not more important in many instances. It takes considerable skill to use a shiner under fire and not get nailed. Of course, there are those hustlers that have more balls than brains, but that is their skin on the line, not mine.

I would think one would want to fool those who know about shiners, especially the more obvious and common ones.

It also depends on what one is using it for. Most on this board are using it for some type magic, mentalism or gambling type trick and that is a different application with a lot more leeway. There seems to be some good literature available for those type "magic' applications.

Of course that is just my opinion on this for whatever it is worth to the individual reader.
Message: Posted by: AMcD (Feb 7, 2014 01:34PM)
Times change too. A pipe shiner, a match box shiner, a cigarette shiner, etc., would be impossible nowadays. Maybe you don't know but smoking is now forbidden everywhere.

Rules change too. I don't remember places were objects were allowed on the table. In my context, a card protector is OK, but that's all. Phones are not allowed on the table. Therefore you have to use items on you or around you (jewels, ceiling, walls, furniture). In many amateur games, you are not allowed to hold the deck once the cards are dealt for instance. Glimpsing is still possible but there are obviously less possibilities. Etc.

Clothes are different too. Hard to hide a holdout when everyone around the table has a t-shirt. Don't get me wrong, you're still allowed to wear a tuxedo, but you're gonna look like a black sheep :).

Always the same story, contexts and cultures. But the most important difference, to me, is the time we live today. Very little things that worked in the past can work today. 90% of what's in old books is just obsolete. Nice stories anyway.
Message: Posted by: silverking (Feb 7, 2014 02:38PM)
I have an old mentalism shiner, it's a mirror that slides in and out of a block of 15 Bicycle Rider playing cards, with the remainder as loose cards on top of it.

Not usable at a gambling table.

Marketed as a magic trick, but yet another example of the [i]"shiner inside a legitimate item"[/i] line of thinking.

It seems that many of the shiners of yore, pipes, match boxes, ciggy's, chip stacks, coins with one side polished, lighters, drinking glasses, etc are overexposed such that seeing any of them sitting on a poker table, or even being handled by a player from their pockets would raise maximum suspicion amongst those who bother to investigate such things.

I think it lends strength to the concept of the "how" being [i]much more[/i] important than the "what"....although I suspect further that the "what" could still surprise more than a few of us.

As a guy with a bit of a beer belly, I've had a favorite shirt fitted with some replacement buttons. My belly definitely sticks out a bit when I sit down to play poker.
Message: Posted by: Cagliostro (Feb 7, 2014 03:12PM)
[quote]
2014-02-07 14:34, AMcD wrote:
Times change too. A pipe shiner, a match box shiner, a cigarette shiner, etc., would be impossible nowadays. Maybe you don't know but smoking is now forbidden everywhere.
Rules change too. I don't remember places were objects were allowed on the table. In my context, a card protector is OK, but that's all. Phones are not allowed on the table. [/quote]
It is true that times change but concepts don't. Keep THAT in mind.

Not everyone plays in small time card rooms for small stakes.

Perhaps your limited world is not reflective of the entire world and of all conditions encountered although you seem to imply it is. There are big money private poker games, private Gin Rummy games and some good activity in Country clubs and on golf tours.

However, I want to thank you for your extremely helpful and gracious remark that maybe I don't know that smoking is not allowed in public card rooms. You are a fountain of up-to-date information which I appreciate greatly. I especially liked the "new" concept of using a mirror in or on one's scrotum, with or without one's fly open. At least times haven't changed on having a scrotum, yet. :goof:

I should add, I have seen some professionally run Las Vegas casino poker games where objects are allowed on the table (not casino table games though). However, I sure there are some small-time games outside the U.S. and especially outside of Vegas where the players are evidently much, much sharper. :yippee:

[quote]
2014-02-07 14:34, AMcD wrote:
Clothes are different too. Hard to hide a holdout when everyone around the table has a t-shirt.[/quote]
I can't recall ever playing in any game where everyone at the table had a t-shirt on, or a hard hat for that matter. I can't even recall playing in a game where someone had rings on most of his fingers. But, that's just the games I play in. Obviously my experience is greatly limited in that regard. :)

[quote]
2014-02-07 14:34, AMcD wrote:
Always the same story, contexts and cultures. But the most important difference, to me, is the time we live today. Very little things that worked in the past can work today. [/quote]
I strongly disagree. Contexts, cultures, [i]situations[/i], ethnicity and then lastly perhaps to a lesser degree times are different, although the times we live in don't change concepts or principles. In fact, I don't think I have ever met a [i]professional[/i] hustler that would disagree with that. Once again, the most important things (like all the things that are necessary beyond gimmicks and moves), don't really change much if at all. Of course, there are a lot of new demo moves that look good and are exciting to watch, performed demonstration style. I like to watch them myself sometimes.

In my opinion, if someone does not understand that there are things more important and are the tail that wags the dog, at least in a professional gambling scenario...well... :rolleyes:
Message: Posted by: AMcD (Feb 7, 2014 06:47PM)
Guys I play with are dressed like that 90% of the time:

[img]http://media.cardplayer.com/assets/photos/000/017/829/medium_PhilIvey3_Large_.JPG?1248471458[/img]

[img]http://www.coinflip.com/resources/images/dwan-eg-gr.jpg[/img]

[img]http://www.speedpokerinfo.com/en/img_article/WATCH3A246502C000Buy-InLiveHigh-StakesPokerCashGameFeaturingViktorBlom.jpg[/img]

We can have this too:

[img]http://www.kenn.com/the_blog/wp-content/uploads/2009/05/blog_poker_unabomber.jpg[/img]

Rings? Jewels? Frankly, where do you live? You have never seen a Gambler wearing rings in Vegas?

Rings:

[img]http://pnimg.net/w/articles/1/526/ca669157af.jpg[/img]

Sometimes, with my 3 rings I'm almost ridiculous at the table! I can meet players with 5 or more! Besides I don't always wear them, it's kind of a trademark for me.

Big watches:

[img]http://img.gawkerassets.com/img/19dbqsbfnzlq1png/ku-xlarge.png[/img]

I've NEVER said my context, my world are the rule, NEVER! In 0 post out of 2,000. But YOU have problem accepting OTHER people's world. And your never ending story about you and only you knowing the truth, the pros, etc., is becoming boring, very boring. Millions of people play for pennies around the world, millions of people steal pennies, hustle for very low money. I think they don't care about your multi-millions sleight of hand artists (provided they exist, because I've been lucky to talk with a few Las Vegas underground legends and they die poor, alone and the word summarizing the end of their existence is poverty).

I told you many times, don't read me. I'd like not to read you, but you drop my name constantly. You would like an autograph? Or maybe you want me to leave this place? No problem, I did it many times, I increase the delay each time. Here's my proposition, I won't post anymore for 2014. Is this what you want? It's OK for me.
Message: Posted by: Cagliostro (Feb 7, 2014 07:07PM)
[quote]
On 2014-02-07 15:38, silverking wrote:
It seems that many of the shiners of yore, pipes, match boxes, ciggy's, chip stacks, coins with one side polished, lighters, drinking glasses, etc. are overexposed such that seeing any of them sitting on a poker table, or even being handled by a player from their pockets would raise maximum suspicion amongst those who bother to investigate such things.[/quote]
I agree 100%. Going back 100 years or so those items no doubt worked, but there has been too much exposure along these lines. In fact, referring to the Jackie Newton post, he would not have been caught dead using any of these type shiners, or any that have been described so far on this thread. He invented his own shiners and he did not do so by looking around to see what MIGHT serve as a shiner. There cannot be anything used that might create the slightest suspicion you are cheating or using a glim. Recall his specialty was beating professional cheaters – guys who knew most of this stuff already and knew it well…and…he had to be able to see all the necessary cards with his light.

[quote]
On 2014-02-07 15:38, silverking wrote:
I think it lends strength to the concept of the "how" being much more important than the "what"....although I suspect further that the "what" could still surprise more than a few of us.[/quote]
I believe it would. A real pro would want to have the best of both worlds of course. However, I should add that it has been my direct experience that a pro that has proven to be able to get the money and has all the necessary elements in place, will still usually be able to successfully get the money even with a lesser gaff, while someone who has a better gaff without all the necessary grift sense would not do as well or even get caught.

Picking the right spot, the psychology involved, being relaxed but on high alert – not missing any possible suspicion or heat, laughing, joking, conning the players, being a regular guy and well-liked, but at the same time having the grift sense necessary to get it on. That is really the way the most successful do it.

For example, I would bet my money that a pro with a mediocre bottom deal who has gotten the money before with his deal over the most beautiful bottom deal done by someone who hasn’t developed that grift sense – assuming worthwhile games with astute and experienced players. One has to build up and get the necessary experience in easier spots before he tackles the tough situations where he can make good scores.
Message: Posted by: Cagliostro (Feb 7, 2014 07:13PM)
@AMcD: If my posts bother you so much, just don't read them. It is just that simple. It is silly to become upset over what people write.

Then again, regarding your autograph, if you can email me an autographed picture, I would appreciated it greatly. Either post it here or send it to my email address.

Thanks in advance. :)
Message: Posted by: AMcD (Feb 7, 2014 07:19PM)
The HUGE difference is that you name me most of the time in your posts. Leave me alone!
Message: Posted by: silverking (Feb 7, 2014 11:07PM)
Hey, didn't you guys get the memo?

We're all getting along in 2014.

Seriously though, nobody has to "leave", and there's no auditions taking place - so no need for any drama.

Back to the subject of glims........
Message: Posted by: AMcD (Feb 7, 2014 11:36PM)
I'm fed up of his little game!!!
Message: Posted by: silverking (Feb 8, 2014 12:11AM)
Previously, I took much of what Cag wrote personally, until I realized that's just not at all where he's coming from.

The bête noir of Internet forums is the keyboard.
Over a frosty mug I suspect this would all be overtly friendly.
Message: Posted by: AMcD (Feb 8, 2014 12:27AM)
In French we say "bête noire" (trailing E) :).

My gratitude to your attempt to access other cultures, it's something some here can't do. And that's the root of many troubles.

Besides, I'm living in post-Forte age, not in MacDougall age. What? You don't know how cheating was during MacDougall age? Come on, the guy detecting a bottom deal when drinking a cocktail at the bar because the noise the dealer does 20 feet away. The guy using strippers in front of top notch Bridge players, still doesn't ring a bell? I can tell you many more wonderful stories like that if you want, showing that we, in 2014, we know nothing about the REAL work.
Message: Posted by: JasonEngland (Feb 8, 2014 03:02AM)
Cag,

Jackie Newton passed away in March of 2012.

Jason
Message: Posted by: Cagliostro (Feb 8, 2014 10:20AM)
[quote]
On 2014-02-08 04:02, JasonEngland wrote:
Cag,

Jackie Newton passed away in March of 2012.

Jason
[/quote]
Thanks for the update Jason. I guess he must have been around 90 years old at that time.
Message: Posted by: Cagliostro (Feb 8, 2014 11:38AM)
[quote]
On 2014-02-08 01:27, AMcD wrote:
Besides, I'm living in post-Forte age, not in MacDougall age.[/quote]
As am I, at least to the best of my knowledge, belief and understanding!!! :P

[quote]
On 2014-02-08 01:27, AMcD wrote:
I can tell you many more wonderful stories like that if you want, showing that we, in 2014, we know nothing about the REAL work.[/quote]
Once again, I suggest it is concepts and application, not time periods which is the “real work” to use that terminology.

But…each of us has his opinion which makes the BB interesting and challenging. Is that not so??? :confused:
Message: Posted by: tommy (Feb 8, 2014 11:45AM)
He wanted to see if it was a genuine Two hundred watt bulb.
Message: Posted by: tommy (Feb 8, 2014 01:36PM)
Them little loops, you could switch them for metal ones.

http://blogs.christies.com/longitude/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/DSCF0396-1024x768.jpg
Message: Posted by: Cagliostro (Feb 8, 2014 02:31PM)
[quote]
On 2014-02-08 00:07, silverking wrote:
Hey, didn't you guys get the memo?

We're all getting along in 2014.
[/quote]
Thanks. Evidently the memo went to my spam box. Fortunately I was able to retrieve it and white list the sender.

However, if you happen to know of any auditions for drama in the Vegas area, let me know. I stopped wearing high-button shoes last year so I am completely up-to-date at this point. ;)
Message: Posted by: Cagliostro (Feb 8, 2014 02:35PM)
[quote]
On 2014-02-08 14:36, tommy wrote:
Them little loops, you could switch them for metal ones.

http://blogs.christies.com/longitude/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/DSCF0396-1024x768.jpg
[/quote]
Tommy, your posts are extremely informative although I must confess some of them go right over my head. :confused:

I hope you are still taking your meds. I have been doubling up on mine. :wow:

Also, saying "them little loops" is not quite correct grammatically. All the top guys in Vegas say "dem" instead of "them," i.e., "dem little loops."

(As I said, I have been taking extra meds recently.)
Message: Posted by: tommy (Feb 8, 2014 03:00PM)
Sorry, I keep forgetting you are only three foot six.


That was a bit below the belt.
Message: Posted by: tommy (Feb 9, 2014 01:43PM)
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Gold/Silver Foiled Flat Back Glass Cabochons perhaps

http://img1.etsystatic.com/000/0/5313737/il_570xN.252401403.jpg
Message: Posted by: tommy (Feb 9, 2014 06:01PM)
[img]http://www.strapcode.com/store/images/cache/SCGD2018032RJ.jpg_520x400-1318323580.jpg[/img]

As above so below.
Message: Posted by: tommy (Feb 9, 2014 06:19PM)
All the top notch, top guys, top international casino hustlers in Vegas, wouldn't be seen dead wearing one of dem of course.
Message: Posted by: Cagliostro (Feb 9, 2014 06:34PM)
[quote]
On 2014-02-09 19:19, tommy wrote:
All the top notch, top guys, top international casino hustlers in Vegas, wouldn't be seen dead wearing one of dem of course.
[/quote]
Actually dem top guys do wear dose type watch bands when dey are wearing dere alligator shoes. Dey are very fashion conscious, of course. :nod:
Message: Posted by: tommy (Feb 9, 2014 07:37PM)
http://fora.mtv.ca/2011/09/trending-cap-toe-shoes/

See what colour knickers dem are wearing.
Message: Posted by: Expertmagician (Feb 10, 2014 11:29AM)
Check out "Dashing Diva" especially on your thumb nail :)

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-tc0S4dr_9Bo/T0_w0y2NWeI/AAAAAAAAA3w/DXyyfXmahY0/s1600/ChromeComparison.jpg

Women are lucky...they also have the underside of their long nails to use.
Message: Posted by: Cagliostro (Feb 10, 2014 03:31PM)
[quote]
On 2014-02-10 12:29, Expertmagician wrote:
Check out "Dashing Diva" especially on your thumb nail :)

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-tc0S4dr_9Bo/T0_w0y2NWeI/AAAAAAAAA3w/DXyyfXmahY0/s1600/ChromeComparison.jpg

Women are lucky...they also have the underside of their long nails to use.
[/quote]
So that’s why a couple of my young buck friends are losing all the time playing strip poker with this beautiful young girl. Hmmm… I think I’ll keep that to myself and let them keep losing to her. They will never figure it out on their own. ;)

May be a good way to catch the dealer's hole card in BJ if they come in high.
Message: Posted by: tommy (Feb 10, 2014 07:03PM)
Electronic cigarette maybe

http://www.totallywicked-eliquid.co.uk/products/electronic-cigarette-starter-kits/odyssey/odyssey-mirror-electronic-cigarette-product.html
Message: Posted by: tommy (Feb 11, 2014 03:49PM)
The best shiner, in my view, is their eyes.
Message: Posted by: Dicetricks (Jan 15, 2020 02:29PM)
Cagliostro

Could you please elaborate further on the real work.
Message: Posted by: Cagliostro (Jan 16, 2020 11:50AM)
[quote]On Jan 15, 2020, Dicetricks wrote:
Cagliostro

Could you please elaborate further on the real work. [/quote]

I'm still trying to figure that out. When I do you will be the first to know.
Message: Posted by: reese (Jan 17, 2020 12:05AM)
All y'all braggerts always saying "the Real Work". Sheeeeet. Nice you can keep a secret though. I truly appreciate that. But seriously...'nuff with that "Real Work" horse pies.
Message: Posted by: tommy (Jan 17, 2020 03:12AM)
Some say I have never done a real days work in my life.
Message: Posted by: Mr. Bones (Jan 17, 2020 02:05PM)
[quote]On Jan 17, 2020, reese wrote:
All y'all braggerts always saying "the Real Work". Sheeeeet. Nice you can keep a secret though. I truly appreciate that. But seriously...'nuff with that "Real Work" horse pies. [/quote]

Everybody knows you buy the [i]"real work"[/i] from [b]Joe's Real Work, Magic, and Vent Puppet Supply Shop[/b].

But seriously, since the very beginnings of this forum, posters have referenced some specific bit of work, but then gone on to note that it wasn't appropriate to post the details.
No big deal ... and certainly nothing wrong with being discrete when called for.
Message: Posted by: reese (Jan 18, 2020 01:05AM)
But.... why talk about it at all? Or even acknowledge the subject exists?
Message: Posted by: tommy (Jan 18, 2020 03:43AM)
Because the author needs the money?
Message: Posted by: Mr. Bones (Jan 19, 2020 05:14PM)
[quote]On Jan 18, 2020, reese wrote:
But.... why talk about it at all? Or even acknowledge the subject exists? [/quote]
It’s interesting for those who are interested in such things.

You’re the new forum cop now?
Did they give you a badge and a hat to wear?
Message: Posted by: Cagliostro (Jan 19, 2020 06:48PM)
[quote]On Jan 17, 2020, reese wrote:

But.... why talk about it at all? Or even acknowledge the subject exists? [/quote]

I think Mr. Bones addressed the comment very nicely. I second the motion.
Message: Posted by: reese (Jan 22, 2020 10:08PM)
No. I tripped over a whiskey bottle and then posted my comment when I could crawl upright.
Message: Posted by: reese (Jan 22, 2020 10:38PM)
[quote]On Jan 19, 2020, Mr. Bones wrote:
[quote]On Jan 18, 2020, reese wrote:
But.... why talk about it at all? Or even acknowledge the subject exists? [/quote]
It’s interesting for those who are interested in such things.

You’re the new forum cop now?
Did they give you a badge and a hat to wear? [/quote] No. I am not a cop or own a badge. But it was just honest curiosity that made me post in such a very public forum the question...why would you talk about these things when Law Enforcement is reading your words? That's the part I don't understand.... I don't need to know and (at this point) could care less. No need to reply. Thanks for your replies though.
Message: Posted by: Dicetricks (Feb 10, 2020 08:00AM)
I had a request to make a shiner from a nickel.
After doing some research I came to the conclusion that filing and sanding it down by hand would just be too much work and not cost effective.
The most common method is to mount the nickel in a lathe and then with files and sand paper and then polishing paper and polishing compounds you could create a concave mirror surface on one side of the nickel. Unfortunately I do not own a lathe.

The start of his thread was good but the answers were vague.
Isn't it just better that we all brain storm and reverse engineer what could actually work?


Cagliostro wrote:

He showed me one technique where you could look directly at your opponent's face as you dealt the cards and still get every card off the top. Absolutely brilliant!!!

Now this sounds like real work. Do we have any wild guesses on how this could be done if we were to replicate this shiner and where it would be located?

The first issue is his eyes are looking at his face.
Obviously there must be something by the opponent that is giving you the glim for every card.
Message: Posted by: Scodischarge (Feb 10, 2020 09:16AM)
Dicetricks:
I doubt you'll get many answers to your question. Silverking explained why in his first response here: "The reason for this lack of information has been talked about here in the Gambling Spot before, and it's related to the fact that some of the glims in use today, and some of the methods involved are still pretty advanced...still making money, and thus not written about or discussed in detail by those in the know.

There are a few people around here with enough knowledge to help you. Unfortunately for us, they wouldn't dream of posting this information on a public forums, due to the fact that they either make money with these techniques, or know the people who do.
Nevertheless, you should read carefully what Cag, AMcD, Doc & Co. write. By reading between the lines and doing some deducing of your own you're able to learn a lot this way, and what you read will whet your appetite for the "real stuff" they sometimes hint at.
Message: Posted by: Dicetricks (Feb 11, 2020 04:14PM)
The purpose of my post was to stimulate discussion.
I'll toss out some ideas to get the conversation started.

Putting something like a sticker on an opponent for some kind of convention logo they are participating in that is reflective.
Giving a gift of a watch where a reflection might be caught off of the clasps rectangular edge.
Having one contact lens with super magnification so you can catch a glim off of a black button your opponent is wearing.
Message: Posted by: tommy (Feb 11, 2020 04:34PM)
One can do the opposite. ie Wear mirror sunglasses to flash your hand; except you don't - You use a torn corner. Do you see?
Message: Posted by: Kimura (Feb 12, 2020 02:02AM)
Ive been working for years on making chrome-plated hawaiian shirts popular but no one seems to be picking up on the trend. hate to drop the real work in a public forum but if anyone can introduce a glim into the world of fashion its you guys
Message: Posted by: tommy (Feb 12, 2020 06:49AM)
I was just thinking are shiners any use for blind bets?

In Three Card Brag it would be very useful to know what cards one has been dealt before one apparently looks.
Message: Posted by: Expertmagician (Feb 12, 2020 08:58PM)
Best shiner for a woman to use:
https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/how-jennifer-lopez-found-her-tom-ford-oscars-dress-1189456
Message: Posted by: tommy (Feb 13, 2020 07:47AM)
Waitresses have been known to use a mobile phone to film players hands and text the info to their boyfriend at the table. I am not sure if the mobile phone, in this case, qualifies as a shinner but still, it does the trick.
Message: Posted by: Mark Timon (Mar 27, 2020 05:36AM)
Wine Pour Discs.