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Topic: Going to Las Vegas, need info on stores and tricks...
Message: Posted by: jmsilhy (Jan 6, 2004 01:12PM)
Hi everyone, I'm going to Las Vegas this week and I need to know of a good magic shop in the area. I really want to avoid the ones in the hotels, they're too expensive and commercial. I want a magic shop for magicians, not for tourists. While we're at it, can you recommend for me one or two tricks for a beginning magician? I am interested in close up magic, restaurant and bar magic. Can you help me? Thanks!
Message: Posted by: Dr Magic (Jan 6, 2004 01:51PM)
The guys (and gals) in Las Vegas used to have Earl Chaney's shop for a "real" magic shop. Not sure if he's still there though.

I heard Denny and Lee moved in and took over. Anyone know if that's true? I haven't been to Vegas in a while. From what I remember though, the Houdini shops are some pretty nice shops to visit. Even if you're not buying. Some of their kids do some really hot demos of their UFO effect. Their handling of it using a coin had me going for a while! Worth the trip.
:spinningcoin: :idea:
Dr. Magic
Ask me if Paxil (TM) is right for you! :bawl:
Message: Posted by: magical65stang (Jan 6, 2004 02:22PM)
My spark started in Vegas when they floated my credit card. It is now a staple of my close up work at my restaurant. I don't use the Leclair hookup they teach, but the trick is still the same. In my opinion the effect is much better with an ITR. For beginner's effects, I think that most would agree: if you are going for non-gaffed stuff, then go with Michael Ammar's "Easy To Master Card Miricles". Any volume will help. The same goes if you want to use money or coins, he has some of those too. If you like the gaffed stuff, then what you find in Vegas is what you will find anywhere else (maybe a bit more expensive). This is where I started and it helped me tremendously. Just feel confident with your stuff before you go to the restaurant. Good Luck.
Message: Posted by: Mark Williams (Jan 6, 2004 07:47PM)
Denny & Lee's is still there in Vegas, and so is Earl's shop: "Planet Mirth". Actually they are in the same industrial complex, one being directly across the parking lot from the other. (Corner of Tropicana & Industrial Rd.) Both are listed in the phone book.
Message: Posted by: jmsilhy (Jan 7, 2004 09:27AM)
Thanks for the replies. I've been to Houdini's many times. In fact, I got the floating bill routine from them. Then I also learned the Fearson's hookup, which is better in some situations. Now I'm more into magic, and want to learn some you can do in places like I mentioned above. I think I might go with some of Ammar's videos. I am also looking forward to buying some books, like "Royal Road to Card Magic" and "Modern Coin Magic". Any more recommendations are welcome.
Message: Posted by: espalding (Jan 7, 2004 10:01AM)
For a beginner magician, I recommend getting a Scotch and Soda. Ironically, I bought mine at a Houdini's in NYNY in Vegas last June. Of course, I paid way too much for it, but didn't know it at the time.

While I do think Houdini's is overpriced, it is a fun way to see some tricks performed and gauge audience reactions. They also have copies of the latest issues of magazines.

Eric.
Message: Posted by: Shane Wiker (Jan 7, 2004 04:12PM)
Go to Planet Mirth or Denny and Lee's Magic Studio.
Message: Posted by: irossall (Jan 8, 2004 06:15AM)
Houdini's is in the New York casino. The New York casino caters more to the tourist than to the serious Magician (my experience and opinion). I visit Las Vegas at least once a year, and for the past three years I've seen the same 4 tricks performed by the demonstrators there. Those tricks are the UFO Card, Scotch & Soda, Invisible Deck and Mental Photography. EVERY time I try to ask a question or want to see a demo of some item, I get the same response. It's either "we don't demo that" or "excuse me, I have a customer to take care of".

The shop is very busy taking care of passers by, and Pushing the 4 "hot" items. They really don't want to waste valuable time with someone asking too many questions (more than 1 question is too many). More than once I have walked out with cash in hand, have not made any purchases and felt like they just didn't care. Bottom line: They are hustlers, are only interested in quick mass sales, and don't care to waste time with serious inqueries.

The one thing I do like about the shop is that they have a "secret" room behind a bookshelf that they take purchasers behind, and will spend a little time to quickly show them how to do the effect they just purchased.
Iven :patty:
Message: Posted by: themagician64 (Jan 17, 2004 01:52PM)
I have had the same experience. I usually fish out the real magic shops. I do like the idea that they are only selling mass market effects to the lay public. These are items that a good magician does not really include in his show. In other words Keeping the Secrets to the magician idea. :bigsmile:
Message: Posted by: jmsilhy (Jan 18, 2004 11:36PM)
Well, I went to both stores recommended above. I liked them both and I got to know some great people. Good service and recommendations, a lot more than in a tourist shop. Thanks, guys.
Message: Posted by: MattWayne (Jan 20, 2004 08:39PM)
Denny & Lee's is by far the best- they own a shop over here in PA as well, in Baltimore. Denny Haney is one of the first graduates of Chavez. The man knows his magic!

Ha, oh wait- that's not PA- my fault. Baltimore= Maryland. It's late, I must get going to bed, hehe.
Message: Posted by: Dr Magic (Jan 21, 2004 07:00AM)
I prefer to perform the UFO over the Fearson thing for one important reason..

I have bad hair.

It's a curse. I have windows too.

Between my fingers I mean. Can't palm a card right.

Or left for that matter.

Dr Magic
:lol:
Message: Posted by: jmsilhy (Jan 21, 2004 12:06PM)
Lol! I also like the UFO trick, especially when I combine it with a card trick as a grand finale. Fearson's hookup does have flaws: you need to have good hair :D, and you need the right conditions of light and distance. So Dr. Magic, tell me some of the tricks you can do- even though you have windows in your fingers and bad hair.
Message: Posted by: Roady (Jan 21, 2004 03:23PM)
Hi jmsilhy

I'm off to Vegas next week, can you let me know the locations of both those shops? Sounds like they would be worth a visit. I've never been into a "real magic shop".
Can you recommend any other magical things to visit? (I've already got tickets for Lance Burton.)
Regards,
Mark
Message: Posted by: RayBanks (Jan 21, 2004 04:09PM)
They are in an "industrial strip center", just south of Tropicana on Industrial. Denny & Lee's is first store front on the right, Planet Mirth is across the parking lot and further down. Last time I was in Denny & Lee's I was not pleased, but I may give them another try in April. Must see: Mac King at Harrah's, times are 1 and 3 PM. Absolutely the best value for your money and a great show, too. Michael Close is at Houdini's Lounge in the Monte Carlo Tuesdays and Wednesdays, although I heard a rumor that he is no longer there. But that is not confirmed and worth a trip. Lance Burton is at the Monte Carlo.
Check Magic Magazine for other acts.
Message: Posted by: Roady (Jan 21, 2004 04:39PM)
Thanks for that. I'm staying in the Monte Carlo Sun Wednesday, so I will try to see Michael Close (if he is still there). I'm sure going to check out Houdini's Lounge!
I will also try to see Mac King, where would I get tickets for that show? Would I need to book, or just get them when I go?
Why were you not impressed with Denny & Lee's? I can't bring to mind where the Tropicana is (I've not been for a couple for years).
Sorry for so many questions!
Regards,
Mark
Message: Posted by: Dr Magic (Jan 21, 2004 05:29PM)
[quote]
So Dr. Magic, tell me some of the tricks you can do- even though you have windows in your fingers and bad hair.
[/quote]
Imagine a yellow sponge ball. Torn from Sponge Bob.
That's right folks.. It's his nose.
Don't ask why I have two. :fruity:
Dr. Magic
Message: Posted by: RayBanks (Jan 21, 2004 07:46PM)
Tropicana is a street crossing "the strip" between the MGM Grand and the Tropicana Hotels. From the Monte Carlo, turn right on Tropicana and go just past the freeway. The next street is Industrial, turn left and look immediately (one block) to the right and you will see the center. When I went to the D&L store it was actually directly across the parking lot from where it is now, but the people "working" there only were concerned with perfecting a cups and ball routine and did not give a hoot about a customer.

Last April, they had a sign on the door stating that if you were not a full time professional magician, you were not welcome and advised to take your business elsewhere. I will be back this April and probably won't go in there anyway, as I am a friend of Earl Chaney's and always go to Planet Mirth to chit chat. Maybe I'll check out D&L and see if they have changed.
Just my opinion. Maybe they have changed their policies and fired those two guys I met there two years ago.
Message: Posted by: jmsilhy (Jan 22, 2004 12:37PM)
Well, the directions are just right. The recommendations for shows are also great. I tried to go to Mac King's show. I was working at those times, but I guess you just go to Harrah's hotel and buy the tickets there before the show. Lance Burton's show is amazing. Watch the first routine with flying silks, I think it's beautiful!
A word of advice: Go to both stores before buying anything. They're just across the parking lot, and maybe that way you can get more for your money. They both treated me well, and performed some magic tricks on the spot. When I got my stripper deck at D&L, they showed me how to use it.
Message: Posted by: Roady (Jan 22, 2004 12:58PM)
Thanks for all that information, it was most helpful. It seems incredible that a store should put a notice like that on the door, I certainly wouldn't go in if that's thier attitude. However, I will check both of them out. (If there's no sign on the door.)
Regards,
Mark
Message: Posted by: jmsilhy (Jan 23, 2004 10:45AM)
I didn't see any signs on any doors in the stores, so go ahead and check them out, you'll like 'em!
Message: Posted by: Dave V (Jan 24, 2004 12:33PM)
[quote]
On 2004-01-08 07:15, irossall wrote:
Houdini's is in the New York casino.... [/quote]

Actually, Houdini's is in at least nine casinos around town. They are all pretty much the same, showing the same tricks, the same "back room" etc...

There are very few non-Houdini shops in Las Vegas. Monte Carlo has one, the Lance Burton Magic Shop right outside the door to his theater, and of course the two *real* magic shops, Denny and Lee's and Planet Mirth.
Message: Posted by: ByranNewell (Jan 26, 2004 04:31PM)
I would avoid Houdini's if you are looking for magic. Generally they only stock overpriced "hot sellers". The two real shops in Vegas are Mirth and Denny Lee's. Of course, if you like paying $13 for a dime and penny, by all means, go to Houdini's. Or go if you want to see a free magic show.
Message: Posted by: RayBanks (Jan 27, 2004 09:07AM)
[quote]
On 2004-01-26 17:31, ByranNewell wrote:
Or go if you want to see a free magic show.
[/quote]

Provided of course your ideal magic show includes only UFO and the floating dollar bill :rotf: :rotf:
Message: Posted by: JackDaniel (Jan 27, 2004 09:22AM)
Or may be if you're lucky they'll go ahead and put on a show with D'Lites or Scotch and Soda, that's just if you're really lucky though.
Jack. :rotf: :rotf:
Message: Posted by: phillykish (Jan 31, 2004 02:43PM)
[quote]
On 2004-01-20 21:39, TomaskoMagic wrote:
Denny & Lee's is by far the best- they own a shop over here in PA as well, in Baltimore. Denny Haney is one of the first graduates of Chavez. The man knows his magic!
[/quote]

Where's his shop in PA? I'm from Philly.

-Kish :spinningcoin:
Message: Posted by: Shane Wiker (Feb 15, 2004 08:22PM)
There are two shops, one in Vegas and one in Baltimore.
Message: Posted by: Dave V (Feb 16, 2004 10:50AM)
[quote]... they had a sign on the door stating that if you were not a full time professional magician, you were not welcome and advised to take your business elsewhere. [/quote]Yes, the sign is still there, but it's not as bad as you think. It's more like "This shop sells supplies to professional magicians and serious hobbyists. If you are just looking to buy a trick, may we suggest Houdini's magic shops..."

One of their sales people is on the Café. Maybe he can explain further. But for me, I felt welcome without having to provide any sort of "resume" to prove my worthiness to spend money at their shop.

I imagine it's really there to keep parents from dropping off their kids for an afternoon of free "entertainment." For that, Houdini's is a much better choice.
Message: Posted by: BathTub (Mar 21, 2004 01:00PM)
I am going there in a about a month, so I will definitely have to visit these stores.

What are their supply of books like?
Message: Posted by: jmsilhy (Mar 24, 2004 05:29PM)
It's actually good, I bought a RRTCM hard cover, and not expensive either. But they had a lot of good books and DVD's. You won't be dissapointed!
Message: Posted by: RayBanks (Mar 29, 2004 12:29PM)
[quote]On 2004-02-16 11:50, Dave VanVranken wrote:[quote]... they had a sign on the door stating that if you were not a full time professional magician, you were not welcome and advised to take your business elsewhere. [/quote]Yes, the sign is still there, but it's not as bad as you think. It's more like "This shop sells supplies to professional magicians and serious hobbyists. If you are just looking to buy a trick, may we suggest Houdini's magic shops..."[/quote]

That's definitely not the same sign I saw. And they suggested Planet Mirth instead of Houdinis for the purchase of 'tricks'.

I glad they have changed it.
Message: Posted by: Dave V (Mar 29, 2004 03:42PM)
[quote]
On 2004-03-21 14:00, BathTub wrote:
What are their supply of books like?
[/quote]

Denny and Lee's has the largest selection of magic books, videos and DVDs that I've seen in a long time. Planet Mirth (across the parking lot) has some, but not nearly as many. Both are much better than any of the "general public" shops scattered throughout the various casinos.

The sign definitely refers to Houdini's now. Planet Mirth would also be a poor choice for the parents to drop their kids. Although Earl is a great kids entertainer, it's definitely a shop for "pros."
Message: Posted by: RayBanks (Mar 29, 2004 07:24PM)
[quote]On 2004-03-29 16:42, Dave VanVranken wrote:Although Earl is a great kids entertainer, it's definitely a shop for "pros."[/quote]Probably because Earl made his living as a clown before retiring. We're talking Ringling Bros. Circus. He also worked for Ray Kroc for many years.

He is an excellent magician and still performs the occasional festival or clinic.

Besides that, he is a great guy. Do not go into the store with only 30 minutes to spare and start him talking on performance. You will be late to your next destination!
Message: Posted by: Dave V (Mar 29, 2004 08:45PM)
[quote]
On 2004-03-29 20:24, RayBanks wrote:
... He also worked for Ray Kroc for many years. ...

[/quote]

For those who don't know the Ray Kroc reference, after leaving Ringling Bros., Earl became the [i]Real[/i] Ronald McDonald.(but not the TV Ronald, that's a title first held by, of all people, Willard Scott)

The clown/magic show he wrote to perform at the restaurants as Ronald was sold to McDonald's for all local Ronalds to follow. Most of these other "Ronalds" were independent contractors while Earl was actually on the McDonald's corporate payroll.
[quote]Besides that, he is a great guy. Do not go into the store with only 30 minutes to spare and start him talking on performance. You will be late to your next destination! [/quote]

I know exactly what you mean! I went to Earl's house one evening to drop something off (A friend and I drafted the Planet Mirth logo for him) and we didn't get out of there until after 1 a.m.
Message: Posted by: leondo (Mar 30, 2004 10:32AM)
And this May, Earl will be inducted into the Clown "Hall of Fame" in Milwaukee. An honor he well earned.
Ted (Leondo)
Message: Posted by: Dave V (Mar 30, 2004 02:07PM)
Wow! Congratulations Earl!
Message: Posted by: RayBanks (Mar 31, 2004 07:44AM)
[quote]
On 2004-03-30 11:32, leondo wrote:
And this May, Earl will be inducted into the Clown "Hall of Fame" in Milwaukee. An honor he well earned.
Ted (Leondo)



[/quote]

And one probably long overdue as well.
Message: Posted by: BathTub (Apr 3, 2004 02:58PM)
Definitely have to remember to not spend all the holiday money too soon!
Message: Posted by: Showmethatagain (May 5, 2004 09:41AM)
Houdini's is where my interest in magic kicked off again with the...... can you guess? yes that's right folkes 'ufo'.
And yes I was a sucker tourist, but aren’t most people who go to vagas.
Message: Posted by: silent shadow (May 6, 2004 05:09PM)
I'm traveling to vegas next week from the uk , I was thinking about booking to see steve dacri at the o'shea's , he is a close up artist , which is more my bag , from what I can see he's the only one at it in vegas.
I have no idea who this guy is , any comment's? tia

was hoping to see McBride , but the show times don't match my visit.
Message: Posted by: Matt Bartz (Jun 17, 2004 06:04PM)
I know this thread is a little old but a tip on Denny and Lees: On Tuesday nights they re-open the shop at 8:00pm and have a magic show on the stage in the backroom, hidden behind the movable bookcase. Its a potluck of magicians that perform. Locals and visitors can tell the guys that they would like be part of the show and then go at it. I stopped by two weeks ago...good times.
Message: Posted by: Scott Alexander (Jul 26, 2004 05:09AM)
Thanks Chiquito,

We started the Magic Lounge about 3 months ago and it has been well attended. Anyone in Vegas on a Tues. night be sure and stop in. Free cokes, coffe and show.
Sessioning usually goes on until the wee hours.

In regards to our sign that was mentioned earlier in this post, some folks have their facts incorrect....here is the real deal ... I know, because I put it there... at Denny's request.

It read as follows....
"Denny and Lee Magic studios is reccomended for professional magicians and serious magic hobbyists. The merely curious would best be served by Houdini's Magic Shops, available in most casinos."

The intention of the sign was ment to keep people who are in search of fake dog crap,lite-up fingers and rubber vomit, from being exposed to some real secrets the may see in our store.
In other words, our shops are for those who are in the know or who have a real desire to learn.

If you are really interested in the art of magic you are most certainly welcome at Denny and Lee.

Sincerely,

Scott