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Topic: Cardicians!
Message: Posted by: Zephury (Mar 5, 2014 02:36AM)
Just out of a bit of curiousity from those who use cards.

What are your go-to card tricks for both magicians and laymen?

Here's mine.

Layman:
Here then there
Red Hot Mama
Charlier Ace cut production
Marlo's Bluff Ace Assembly
Dr. Daley's Last Trick
Twisting the Aces



Magicians:
Slow Motion Aces (Larry Jennings version)
Ricky Jay's "Manipulation" (producing all of the spades in order from ace to king)


Don't have too much on magicians-- I'm pretty much just a beginner, I'm strongly interested in what you guys would do especially if performing for other magicians.
If you do list some tricks, and you're willing to share a cross reference from where you learned it, I would be most appreciative. I'm trying to add things to my "repertoire."
Message: Posted by: TyTheMagician (Mar 5, 2014 06:51AM)
For laymen, my go to stuff is:
Sloppy Shuffle Triumph(love this one)
Invisible Deck
Design For Laughter
Ultimate Transpo
Some kind of Ace routine

I don't really perform for magicians, but if my only intent was to fool them, I'd probably do a self worker with some kind of stack. The tricks in Royal Road chapter 2 come to mind in particular...
Message: Posted by: metaljohn (Mar 5, 2014 09:37AM)
Numero Uno seems to fry magicians and laymen alike, but in different ways. The layman just thinks it's a great trick while the magician can't figure out for the life of him how it's done. Such an underated trick in my opinion.

For laymen:
Now You See It
Do As I Do
Ambitious Card
Cards Across
Poor Man's Monte

Come to think of it, most tricks I do get good reactions with lay people; probably because they don't know much about cards to begin with.
Message: Posted by: heybobby08 (Mar 5, 2014 09:38AM)
I have not performed in front of any other magicans yet as I have only started teaching myself a few months ago with Royal Road. But so far the tricks I feel I perform the best are Observation Test and Telepathy Plus.
Message: Posted by: Harry Lorayne (Mar 5, 2014 10:08AM)
Glad you're staying away from my MAGICIAN VS GAMBLER, 10-CARD P0KER DEAL, HaLo ACES, FANTASTIC ACE ASSEMBLY, LORAYNE'S POKER DEAL, AMAZING PREDICTION, OUT OF THIS UNIVERSE, IMPROMPTU OUT OF THIS WORLD, and on and on and on. (You can see some of these performed at www.youtube.com/harrylorayneonvideo.)
Message: Posted by: EoKlausRO (Mar 5, 2014 10:24AM)
For laymen I like to do:

1. Cards Across
2. Card to Pocket
3. Angle Zero
4. Kismet
5. Magician V.S. Gambler
6. Here Then There
7. And a effect where two spectators sign two different cards (one the back and one the face) and then both of the signatures are found only on one card.

For Magicians I do the same things, but I try to misdirect them more, even if they know the effect, I like to hear from them that I did every sleight unnoticeable.
Message: Posted by: Zephury (Mar 5, 2014 12:54PM)
[quote]
On Mar 5, 2014, Harry Lorayne wrote:
Glad you're staying away from my MAGICIAN VS GAMBLER, 10-CARD P0KER DEAL, HaLo ACES, FANTASTIC ACE ASSEMBLY, LORAYNE'S POKER DEAL, AMAZING PREDICTION, OUT OF THIS UNIVERSE, IMPROMPTU OUT OF THIS WORLD, and on and on and on. (You can see some of these performed at www.youtube.com/harrylorayneonvideo.)
[/quote]

You're quite the salesmen, Harry. I actually recently found a few books of yours in my grandfather's library, as well as a small letter from you.
Message: Posted by: Harry Lorayne (Mar 5, 2014 02:43PM)
Not trying to sell you a darn thing, Zephury. (Remember? Already tried that; waste of time.)
Message: Posted by: 3 of clubs_103 (Mar 5, 2014 04:36PM)
For laymen I perform:
Triumph
Cutting The Aces (Dai Vernon)
Las Vegas Leaper (Paul Harris)
Dr. Daley's Last Trick
Gambler Vs. Magician
Ambitious Card Routine

I don't perform for magicians very often, but I would perform many of the tricks that I would perform for laymen.
Message: Posted by: JD Draws Things (Mar 5, 2014 11:55PM)
[quote]
On Mar 5, 2014, Harry Lorayne wrote:
Glad you're staying away from my MAGICIAN VS GAMBLER, 10-CARD P0KER DEAL, HaLo ACES, FANTASTIC ACE ASSEMBLY, LORAYNE'S POKER DEAL, AMAZING PREDICTION, OUT OF THIS UNIVERSE, IMPROMPTU OUT OF THIS WORLD, and on and on and on. (You can see some of these performed at www.youtube.com/harrylorayneonvideo.)
[/quote]if you're glad he's staying away from them then why link to them
Message: Posted by: mlippo (Mar 6, 2014 04:03AM)
[quote]
On Mar 6, 2014, JD Draws Things wrote:
[quote]
On Mar 5, 2014, Harry Lorayne wrote:
Glad you're staying away from my MAGICIAN VS GAMBLER, 10-CARD P0KER DEAL, HaLo ACES, FANTASTIC ACE ASSEMBLY, LORAYNE'S POKER DEAL, AMAZING PREDICTION, OUT OF THIS UNIVERSE, IMPROMPTU OUT OF THIS WORLD, and on and on and on. (You can see some of these performed at www.youtube.com/harrylorayneonvideo.)
[/quote]if you're glad he's staying away from them then why link to them
[/quote]

It's called reverse psychology, but people here quickly got tired of that strategy as well...

mlippo
Message: Posted by: Dick Oslund (Mar 6, 2014 04:15AM)
"...PLEASE DON'T THROW ME IN THE BRIAR PATCH, BROTHER BEAR..." (UNCLE REMUS)

MAGIC IS ABOUT 85% PSYCHOLOGY! The "chicanery" is only about 15%!!! --And, REVERSE PSYCHOLOGY WORKS!!! Oh! You may roughly divide the "chicanery" into: sleight of hand skill, perceptual illusion, and esoteric science principles.

HARRY LORAYNE knows what he doing! YOU should be so successful!
Message: Posted by: mlippo (Mar 6, 2014 04:23AM)
[quote]
On Mar 6, 2014, Dick Oslund wrote:
"...PLEASE DON'T THROW ME IN THE BRIAR PATCH, BROTHER BEAR..." (UNCLE REMUS)

MAGIC IS ABOUT 85% PSYCHOLOGY! The "chicanery" is only about 15%!!! --And, REVERSE PSYCHOLOGY WORKS!!! Oh! You may roughly divide the "chicanery" into: sleight of hand skill, perceptual illusion, and esoteric science principles.

HARRY LORAYNE knows what he doing! YOU should be so successful!
[/quote]

Like anything in life, I think that overuse is bad, because people gets tired of it. I agree that magic is also psychology, but not how he's using it here...
Message: Posted by: Harry Lorayne (Mar 6, 2014 07:51AM)
I really think we should all pay close attention to mslippo - he REALLY knows what he's talking about - think of all the contributions he's made to magic over the decades - not only to magic, but to science, biology, you name it. And, of course, we're all grateful for the deep thinking of JD Straws What? God save us!
Message: Posted by: Harry Lorayne (Mar 6, 2014 07:54AM)
Oh, and talk about overuse, and people getting tired...of mgrippo coming in with his great, gratuitous, philosophy whenever I post. TireSOME. (Besides obvious, jealously-ridden foolishness.) Piece of advice, mgrippo - SHOVE IT!!
Message: Posted by: metaljohn (Mar 6, 2014 09:22AM)
Magician vs Gambler! I forgot about this one. I remember doing thing when I wasn't as good and it still fried people. The main reason I stopped using this trick was because I wasn't confident enough with DLs at the time and this required more than one (threee from what I remember). I should refresh my brain with this and start performing it again. I'm sure I'd do it a lot better. It's an absolute killer.
Message: Posted by: Harry Lorayne (Mar 6, 2014 09:30AM)
Oh, and since these "lovelies" repeated, let me do the same: "Glad you're staying away from my MAGICIAN VS GAMBLER, 10-CARD P0KER DEAL, HaLo ACES, FANTASTIC ACE ASSEMBLY, LORAYNE'S POKER DEAL, AMAZING PREDICTION, OUT OF THIS UNIVERSE, IMPROMPTU OUT OF THIS WORLD, and on and on and on. (You can see some of these performed at www.youtube.com/harrylorayneonvideo."

And since they've given me the opportunity, I'll add: Glad you're staying away from my Salt-Less, my Ambitious Card Routine, The Sloppy Card Trick, Coincidentally Yours, Stop!, One-Eyed Jack Sandwich, Foursome, The Epitome Location, Strange Voyage, Card Sharp & The Four Gamblers, The Super Peek, my Impromptu Linking Card, The Equalizer, Universal Reversal, To Catch An Ace #5, Status-Quo Shuffle, and on and on. Thanks, Guys - I'll list more if you want me to!
Message: Posted by: Harry Lorayne (Mar 6, 2014 09:32AM)
Yes, metaljohn, it's a layman jaw dropper. One of the reasons for my first post - to remind you, and others, of some "jaw droppers" you may have forgotten. But, obviously, people like JDThings have no concept.
Message: Posted by: JD Draws Things (Mar 6, 2014 03:02PM)
[quote]
On Mar 6, 2014, mlippo wrote:

It's called reverse psychology, but people here quickly got tired of that strategy as well...

mlippo
[/quote]

I'm glad I'm not the only one sick of seeing those types of posts

[quote]
On Mar 6, 2014, Harry Lorayne wrote:
I really think we should all pay close attention to mslippo - he REALLY knows what he's talking about - think of all the contributions he's made to magic over the decades - not only to magic, but to science, biology, you name it. And, of course, we're all grateful for the deep thinking of JD Straws What? God save us!
[/quote]you spelled my name wrong. Hopefully you'll forgive me for growing tired of seeing your condescending posts over and over in what's supposed to be a helpful forum for people to learn in. If not, that's OK too, just keep pushing everything you've ever published as if that is the only answer in such an expansive art form. I wonder how you got to be so advanced in card handling, but then I use my deductive reasoning to decide the only possible way would've been to purchase one of your dvd's or books available at your website
Message: Posted by: Harry Lorayne (Mar 6, 2014 03:27PM)
JD...I mention books that may just be helpful to people (seems as if my stuff has been helpful to people for over FIVE DECADES). But, obviously, nowhere near as helpful as YOUR stuff! And let's see - see if we can make sense of this...you've grown tired of my "condescending" (wonder if you know the meaning of the word) posts after, let's see --- 6199 of my posts. Interesting - because I've grown exceptionally tired of your "idiotic/meaningless" posts after only 43 of yours. Interesting. So, for my 6200th post let me repeat - We are all sooooo grateful for JD Straws What? posts. He may even come in with another load of wit for his 44th!! God save us!
Message: Posted by: TyTheMagician (Mar 6, 2014 05:20PM)
Harry promoting his books is no different than all the Ellusonist guys promoting the new "best release of the year." No different. If you guys had published works filled with genuinely good routines of IMPROMPTU card magic, you probably would promote your stuff too! I own none of Harry's work(currently studying the Royal Road), but from watching some clips of him on YouTube, I can say he's definitely one of the most ENTERTAINING magicians I've ever seen, if not the most entertaining! In fact, I wish he had more videos out there for us to watch. Sure, some of the tricks may use similar methods to others, but the presentation he puts on it makes it very interesting. Besides that, a book with over 50-150 tricks will provide you with far better value than the $40 reused, gimmicky trick that just came out.
Message: Posted by: JD Draws Things (Mar 6, 2014 08:15PM)
[quote]
On Mar 6, 2014, TyTheMagician wrote:
Harry promoting his books is no different than all the Ellusonist guys propreformere new "best release of the year." No different. If you guys had published works filled with genuinely good routines of IMPROMPTU card magic, you probably would promote your stuff too! I own none of Harry's work(currently studying the Royal Road), but from watching some clips of him on YouTube, I can say he's definitely one of the most ENTERTAINING magicians I've ever seen, if not the most entertaining! In fact, I wish he had more videos out there for us to watch. Sure, some of the tricks may use similar methods to others, but the presentation he puts on it makes it very interesting. Besides that, a book with over 50-150 tricks will provide you with far better value than the $40 reused, gimmicky trick that just came out.
[/quote]the obvious difference is that I don't see those guys putting down the people that suggest other things, they simply suggest them. Where as I've seen harry talk down to many people because they left his tricks or books out of a thread asking for certain things. And in the "new to magic" section none the less. Is that how we as magicians want to greet The newcomers into the hobby? By calling them idiots because they didn't know about some books written by a grumpy old preformer?

I'm not saying his material isn't worth checking out, it's just that the attitude he carries on forum isn't welcoming to say the least. Not to mention closedminded
Message: Posted by: Harry Lorayne (Mar 6, 2014 08:44PM)
Talk about attitude!! God save us.
Message: Posted by: Harry Lorayne (Mar 6, 2014 08:47PM)
Wonder what name he used before Jealous Dude?
Message: Posted by: 1KJ (Mar 11, 2014 11:30AM)
Harry,

I recently stumbled upon your linking card routine. It has become my new favorite linking ... anything routine. I have a few of your books and DVDs. I purchased your memory system many, many years ago, and still use the concepts. Not as well as you do, but I use them.

However, if I were to purchase one single DVD you have created, which would you suggest? That may seem like a difficult request, so let me elaborate. I would like to get just one of your DVDs, perhaps the best card DVD for great effects that don't take years of practice. I have a set of card effects that I do, most of which I have developed on my own, some of which don't look anything like where I learned them from, but are adaptations of some wonderful card magicians, but I would like to add just one or two "Harry Lorayne" inspired card tricks.

KJ
Message: Posted by: metaljohn (Mar 11, 2014 12:10PM)
I know you said one DVD, but just get his Best Ever volumes 1 to 4. You can't go wrong.
Message: Posted by: Dick Oslund (Mar 11, 2014 01:15PM)
[quote]
On Mar 6, 2014, TyTheMagician wrote:
Harry promoting his books is no different than all the Ellusonist guys promoting the new "best release of the year." No different. If you guys had published works filled with genuinely good routines of IMPROMPTU card magic, you probably would promote your stuff too! I own none of Harry's work(currently studying the Royal Road), but from watching some clips of him on YouTube, I can say he's definitely one of the most ENTERTAINING magicians I've ever seen, if not the most entertaining! In fact, I wish he had more videos out there for us to watch. Sure, some of the tricks may use similar methods to others, but the presentation he puts on it makes it very interesting. Besides that, a book with over 50-150 tricks will provide you with far better value than the $40 reused, gimmicky trick that just came out.
[/quote]

TY!!! You may be REALLY NEW (as far as your number of posts), but, it's obvious to me that you have a much better idea of what this Café is all about. Thank you for your comment! --Besides, you saved me from having to type that!

Your next to last sentence sums it up very well. (IT'S THE PERFORMER, and his PRESENTATION, not the PROP!!!

I'm certainly not a cardician! But, I've known most of the good ones for the last 50 years! (Dai Vernon, Charlie Miller, Alex Elmsley,Frank Garcia, Jack Pyle,Ed Marlo,Jon Racherbaumer, Johnny Thompson et al! I've only MET Harry Lorayne once (at Magic Inc. about 30 years ago,when I was a "house guest" of Jay Marshall's.) but, I was IMPRESSED. Anyone who can "last" 50 years in this business must be DOING SOMETHING RIGHT!

Mr. Lippo got into a somewhat similar "difference of opinion" in another post several days ago. Old proverb: "When there is a chip on a mans shoulder, look for wood higher up."
Message: Posted by: 1KJ (Mar 11, 2014 02:16PM)
[quote]
On Mar 11, 2014, metaljohn wrote:
I know you said one DVD, but just get his Best Ever volumes 1 to 4. You can't go wrong.
[/quote]

Thank you. I was thinking about one of these specific DVDs. If you were to only get one of these, would you get #1?

KJ
Message: Posted by: harris (Mar 11, 2014 02:39PM)
"Halo" everyone.

I like Mr Grippo and Mr L.
Both have influenced my choices and thinking
Though I do more coins than card I surprise myself when I decide to share card stuff with my audiences

Only had the pleasure to meet one. Seeing Mr Grippo in Vegas was one of the perks from working out of Reno in the early 80's.

Harris
at. 60 Still too old to know it all .......
Message: Posted by: 1KJ (Mar 11, 2014 03:12PM)
You know what is really sad about Harry Lorayne?

Unfortunately, he has probably forgotten more tricks than everyone on this thread combined knows.

You know what is even sadder?

He probably still remembers more tricks that everyone on this thread combined knows.

My mother once told me "If you can, give people what they want... and for Gods sake, give them what they have earned."

I think Mr. Lorayne has earned just a little bit of latitude.

For all you have done, and all you continue to do... Thank you Mr. Lorayne.

P.S. I have never met Harry Lorayne. Maybe one day I shall.
Message: Posted by: Harry Lorayne (Mar 11, 2014 03:55PM)
Thanks for "them kind words," 1KJ. Fortunately their are thousands of times more of people like you than there are of the mlippos. Difficult to answer your question re: "Which DVD volume." All four are full of impromptu card stuff. What might be helpful is for you to go to my magic website - third one listed under this post - click on DVDs, etc. Click on the "Best Ever" DVDs and I believe you'll see contents. If you have any questions, you can ask them at my personal email address - that's the first one listed under this post. Best - HL.
Message: Posted by: brandon90 (Mar 11, 2014 04:32PM)
I havent performed for other magicians...

but for laymen:

Dr. Daleys Last Trick
Ambitious Card
This N That
French Kiss (or just a simple card transpo)
Search and Destroy
Message: Posted by: Wandervolk (Mar 15, 2014 04:04AM)
"Charlier Ace cut production"

That's the one where you get a break after doing the Charlier Cut and then use your middle finger to push out the card that was formerly on the buttom of the deck, right?

I am working on that right know. How do you manage not to flash the card before turning it over? Right now I hold the deck close to my chest in my right hand and point my fingers to my left, but it feels kinda awkward. Is there a way to do this trick while pointing your fingers towards the spectator?