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Topic: HEAT effect
Message: Posted by: tophatter (Mar 19, 2014 02:18AM)
Heat Trick anyone know if this is similar to Hyno Heat ? I clicked on the banner on the café . I just wanted to know if this method Is Safe .
Thanks,
Jeffrey
Message: Posted by: george1953 (Mar 19, 2014 05:51AM)
I have been using Carl due Rome's product for a couple of years now and have had no issues with it, like I did with similar products. Also Carl gives fantastic service and I would suggest you contact him with any questions you may have, just Google his name to find his web site, highly recommended.
Message: Posted by: de rome (Mar 19, 2014 07:34AM)
For more info on HEAT, There are other threads on the Café with loads of posts, or you can click on the banner on the Magic Café opening page,... It is the BANNER with the FIRE and HAND that says HEAT,

or to see more and to order click on this link www.cdrmagic.com/heat.html

This is the safest version you will ever get to use and I will say the best version,
But its a chemical and please remember NO chemical is 100% SAFE,
and I also offer to EVERYONE a full 7 day money back guarantee, |Just buy it, and try it, for 7 days.
and IF for any reason you do not like it, or think you can not use it... just send it back and I Will refund you,

Payment is easy by PayPal, and its only £28 per bottle that's about $43,
and 1 bottle will last you for HUNDREDS of performances. I Hope this answers some of your questions for now

OH YES, and you have to be OVER 18 to buy this from me,

PLUS please remember not to perform this effect on children.

as I have only ever had ONE bottle returned under my guarantee from a UK magician that said,
"Im sending this back as I only do childrens shows, and I have decided that I can not find a place in my shows to use it"....Bloody IDIOT

http://www.cdrmagic.com/heat.html
Message: Posted by: tophatter (Mar 22, 2014 01:30AM)
Thanks for your reply I will Order soon
Best .
Jeffrey
Message: Posted by: de rome (Mar 22, 2014 03:08AM)
Just take your time. and when your ready let me know, but you will love it.
Message: Posted by: tophatter (Mar 23, 2014 01:14AM)
Yes Thanks !
Message: Posted by: Jamie Ferguson (Mar 23, 2014 06:03AM)
Mercury poisoning is a risk here.

I personally wouldn't risk it.
Message: Posted by: de rome (Mar 23, 2014 09:28AM)
Hi Carl,
This is Pier from Cyprus. We spoke earlier and you gave me some tips about your product.
I would like to say that you are lying to people when you say in your instruction booklet that you can repeat the effect for 3-4 times after loading up. I loaded up like you said and I repeated the effect 7 times!!!!! SEVEN times mate!!!
THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU for your amazing product Carl. You are the best!!!!

Take care.
Pier CYPRUS MAGICIAN
Message: Posted by: Jamie Ferguson (Mar 24, 2014 03:24AM)
[quote]
On Mar 23, 2014, de rome wrote:
Hi Carl,
This is Pier from Cyprus. We spoke earlier and you gave me some tips about your product.
I would like to say that you are lying to people when you say in your instruction booklet that you can repeat the effect for 3-4 times after loading up. I loaded up like you said and I repeated the effect 7 times!!!!! SEVEN times mate!!!
THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU for your amazing product Carl. You are the best!!!!

Take care.
Pier CYPRUS MAGICIAN
[/quote]
The fact it can be repeated so many times suggests the amount of dangerous chemical in the mixture is way too much. Steer clear is my advice, unless you want to risk giving you or your spectator mercury poisoning.
Message: Posted by: de rome (Mar 24, 2014 07:29AM)
Jamie..

May I just ask you one simple and easy question Have you EVER tried my product, even once, As this product is always pulled down by people just like yourself, WHO have never ever used it, and actually when it comes to it really know F£££ all about it,
This is a chemical trick yes, and the reason it can be repeated so many times is simply because the person using it is using so little water. or what ever liquid they choose to use, and NOT because of how strong it is, as I state on the instructions it can be repeated 3 or 4 times, this is what the average magician can do,
Lucky Pier in Cyprus has mastered the trick. and gets more out of it than others.

I have been Making and selling this effect for years, apart from this being the best version ever available to magicians it is highly popular with everyone that actually uses it, and there are hundreds of Big Names all over the world, that use this effect and they have NO problem with it what so ever. and continue to re order for them and there friends.

It just seems to be the know it alls that do not use it, and never will use it. But seem to be the experts on everything,
like you seem to be, that take reports from days gone by and add to it,
NO ONE who uses MY Version has ever complained about side effects in any way shape or form, and its these people who should know what the product is like and these people if any that really have the right to pull a product down,

One thing YES its a chemical and ALL chemicals are dangerous no matter what anyone says,
even I know that, and I make it, but at least I know what Ive been talking about,
as I have made this product from raw materials and used this for 45 years, and Im happy to report Im actually still alive, but there again I know this trick and all about it, I think better than people who just like to add things.
So please do not try and tell me how to make something that I have been making for years, when you do not know anything about it.
Message: Posted by: george1953 (Mar 24, 2014 10:45AM)
I just want to add my experience with this product here. I use this all the time, I used to use a product called hypno heat, I don't remember who sold it. Shortly afterwards it was no longer available and I.started to hear the horror stories about it , and it did indeed used to leave a sort of pink mark on my finger (I was using it every night) and soon my finger began to itch like hell, needless to say I stopped using it.
I saw Mr. due Rome's product advertised and really wanted to do this effect again but was worried about the dangers. I did a bit of asking around, other magician friends and dealers, that assured me this product was safe. I have now been using it three times a night seven nights a week for the last twoyears with no problem at all. I think if you use it as outlined in the instructions and only use two or three drops at a time there is no problem. As I said earlier the other one made my finger itch and go pink after only a couple of weeks. Of course every night when I finish I make sure that my hands are thoroughly washed. This is only my opinion but as this effect is one that I really wanted to do but was afraid of the safety issue, I was assured by many that this product was safe so decided to try it, and as I said, I have had no problems at all with it.
Message: Posted by: ncsteve (Mar 25, 2014 07:55PM)
Can this be used with the foil from a piece of gum or does it have to be from a cigarette pack?
Message: Posted by: de rome (Mar 26, 2014 05:30AM)
Hi There Steve..,,

This will actually work on gum packets but sorry to say NOT all of them, and it will take longer to react plus you have to make sure you roll the foil on the outside, BUT HERE IS WHAT I DO ALL THE TIME it works a dream, and no one has ever said anything, I buy a packet of gum, Take all the gum out of the paper, and cut normal Foil slightly larger than the paper round the gum, and re wrap it, its simple to do, it only takes a few minutes to do, and you have quite a few prepared...

Actually every one that buys this trick from me, after they have paid with PayPal are re directed to a 30 min Video on youtube with loads of extra tips and ideas on using the product, and This Gum packet ive said above is one of the extra bits included in the actual video you will have access to.

It actually works with ANY tin foil/silver aluminium foil, quite a lot of chocolate bars are wrapped in this still, also in the U&K we have a product called Quality Street, works great with this, and what I also do In 99% of restaurants, bars and other places I just ask the waiter if they could possibly get me a small square of foil from there kitchen, and then as I also do. just make sure that you take some out with you,
Plus again as you ask it still works on the silver Foil in Cigarette packets, depending again on the brand,

and I do keep on saying this, JUST BUY IT , TRY IT YOURSELF, USE IT FOR A WEEK 7 WHOLE DAYS,
Then if you decide you do not like it, or decide you can not use it for any reason,
let me know, send it back, and I will refund anyone there money back,
THE REASON I MAKE THIS OFFER IS because I know you can not make this or copy it yourself,
like you could with for example a normal card trick you buy. HOPE THIS HELPS YOU DECIDE and other questions just ask me and ill answer them ok, and you can always contact me on my Normal E mail address cdrmagic@online.no if this is easier
Message: Posted by: de rome (Mar 26, 2014 05:33AM)
ACTUALLY I have decided to add the Video Link I talked about on the above post to Steve, here on the Café in case anyone wants to see it,
The chewing gum is 20 mins into the video, and right after is extra info on easy load up systems that you might want to use.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rB34m_EWPDI

cheers again and Hope this helps some of you decide on HEAT.
Message: Posted by: bofx (Mar 26, 2014 09:28AM)
Sorry to hijack this thread, but I have seen a product like this some time ago (2-3 years), in a little stick with roller ball, that can be applied directly on the skin (and not on a foil).
I can't remember the name.
Does someone remember the name ?? I'm unable to get my hands on.
Thanks.
Message: Posted by: de rome (Mar 26, 2014 10:37AM)
The Only one I remember. but I don't know what the applicator was,
has chemical in it called LYE, This is a pink gel and this burns the skin really bad,
Actually at the Blackpool magic conventions 2012 or FISM 2012 , The main buyer from Murphys magic USA, This Lady was burned badly by this product, and she was not very happy as she had her hand in a bandage for about 2 weeks.

Plus it was not good for me, as many people thought it was my HEAT product and it WAS NOT.

Hope this helps in some way, apart from that if your roller ball was not this, then I cant inform you anymore on it.
I have tried on this to post a photo of what the pink gel with LYE can do to you.
Message: Posted by: Jamie Ferguson (Mar 26, 2014 06:11PM)
...and here's what mercury poisoning looks like...

http://cdn.lifeinthefastlane.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/08/ann-feet.jpeg

There is no such thing as a 'safe level'. Hence why there is no 100% guarantee of safety here.
Message: Posted by: de rome (Mar 26, 2014 06:30PM)
Im Not going to argue with you Jamie,
as there is NO point at all, as your mind is made up,
and I do not expect you to order this at all.

But ive Just looked at my legs and they seem fine to me
and ive been using it and making it for over 40 years,
Message: Posted by: Lou Hilario (Mar 26, 2014 09:10PM)
I had this effect a long time ago. But it was in crystal powder form. I bought it from Mephisto Huis in Belgium. You had to moisten your fingers and dip your finger on the powder.
Your liquid form is a better method. Is there an expiration for your liquid?
Message: Posted by: de rome (Mar 27, 2014 03:30AM)
The Liquid all I can say lasts a very long time. I know of magicians that have has the same bottle for 2 years, but most people have performed my version so many times they have run out after about a year and then simply re order.
All I can suggest is for you to try ityourself. and this way you will find out how long it lasts.
Message: Posted by: Terry Holley (Mar 27, 2014 09:57PM)
I performed Heat in the late 1980's and early 1990's, but stopped after hearing about the potential harm. The product I used was a small, log-shaped pellet that I rolled between my thumb and finger.

I am interested to know if Hotspot/Heat, produced by Mr. de Rome, contains mercury. Thank you.

Terry
Message: Posted by: Jamie Ferguson (Mar 29, 2014 06:34AM)
[quote]
On Mar 28, 2014, Terry Holley wrote:

I am interested to know if Hotspot/Heat, produced by Mr. de Rome, contains mercury. Thank you.

Terry
[/quote]
Yes, it does contain mercury.
Message: Posted by: Terry Holley (Mar 31, 2014 09:42PM)
[quote]
On Mar 29, 2014, Jamie Ferguson wrote:
[quote]
On Mar 28, 2014, Terry Holley wrote:

I am interested to know if Hotspot/Heat, produced by Mr. de Rome, contains mercury. Thank you.

Terry
[/quote]
Yes, it does contain mercury.
[/quote]
Thank you. Anyone else care to respond?
Message: Posted by: tomsk192 (Apr 1, 2014 04:17PM)
I think it is safe to say from Carl not responding after Jamie's response that this product contains mercury. For that reason, I personally would not go near it, but that is my choice, based on my own view of what is acceptable and what is not. I have an old fashioned view of some things but not others. Mercury is in the latter category for me.

For those who like me, and I assume Jamie, take this view, it is very important that others understand and make an informed decision. No trolling here, I promise.
Message: Posted by: Danny Kazam (Apr 1, 2014 11:57PM)
I'm appalled that chemicals are being sold without being properly identified. Seriously! No matter how safe these mystery chemicals maybe, the idea of buying unknown chemicals to put on other people is just stupid. I could only speculate if laws are being broken with the selling and shipping of this product without proper identification on the label.

It could be safe, but all it takes is just one person, one incident, and one could be in serious legal trouble. I for one would want to know what I was using.
Message: Posted by: Xiqual (Apr 2, 2014 06:15AM)
If you guys watched the video that Carl posted, you would know that he completely admits it contains mercury, albeit, 25 times less than other products that are similar.
James
Message: Posted by: tomsk192 (Apr 2, 2014 05:12PM)
It's good that he openly states it, and I like his song, too, ;) but it's still not for me.
Message: Posted by: Danny Kazam (Apr 9, 2014 09:47AM)
Http://www.newmoa.org/prevention/mercury/imerc/banphaseout.cfm

I wonder if this applies to the "Heat" product?
Message: Posted by: de rome (Apr 13, 2014 07:13AM)
Hello everyone, ... and to the people that posted above,

I did not respond for 2 reasons,
1 was I never saw the posts till today, and
2... I have always said its a chemical, I have always said it contains mercury, I have never tried to hide the fact,
and its on my video that I also posted, so I am trying to be as honest as I can,
But I also state its the best version you will ever get to use, and for safety it is the safest version you will ever get to use,as its in Liquid form, and not in crystal, tablet or powder form that can get into your clothes.
Im not going to give away the percentage as this is my secret, but it is minute to say the least,
and I have been using this personally on a daily basis now for 40 or 45 years. not only handling massive quantities of this
when I make up new batches of the trick, I do not think there is anyone on this earth that has had as much contact with this chemical than I have over the last 45 years,and thank god Im still breathing and NOT in a box 6 ft under the ground.

The buying choice for my trick is down to the individual magician,
its up to THEM if THEY wish to buy this and perform my this effect or not,

Its a great feeling I'm sure when everyone jumps on the bandwagon, so called experts among us, that love telling other people what, and what magic trick they can and can not buy, especially from people so called EXPERTS that have and never will use it themselves ever,
But these Experts ( we call them know it alls in the UK )sure seem to know EVERYTHING about it,,

SO YES it does contain the smallest amount of mercury for the reaction to take place, Its a chemical, and as you all know,
THAT NO CHEMICAL IS SAFE NONE WHAT SO EVER ITS A CHEMICAL,
So please especially you Americans, Do not go swimming in any pool over in the states, as it contains a dangerous chemical called CHLORINE (or BLEACH if your English,) and if the pool attendant as put a little too much of this Chemical into the water, Then its very dangerous to swim in, Its not good for the skin as it can burn the skin really badly and blister, for your eyes it can cause blindness, or even worse if you swallow it causing vomiting and poisoning. Unless its you personally that had put in the right dosage of chemical, then it should be OK.
Message: Posted by: de rome (Apr 13, 2014 07:21AM)
Anyway a UK magician BOUGHT my chemical trick with Mercury involved,
and tried it out himself this weekend, on a magic Face book web site today he wrote the enclosed review about it.

MAGICIAN ROY BOND wrote on the World Magic Network FaceBook

I have to say folks that after having tried a live performance of Carl De Rome's HEAT in a bar on Friday
there were plenty of expletive's flying around .... And ...
Almost as if Carl could see the future ....
People were bringing their friends over and saying " do that trick on my mate !" ....
It's a real crowd puller and you HAVE to have this little package in your pocket at all times because someone ...
Somewhere IS gonna ask you to repeat it.
A MUST BUY. http://www.cdrmagic.com/heat.html

Remember all bottles of Heat/HotSpot bought from me personally carries a 7 day money back guarantee,
even if you decide you simply do not like this effect, OR just decide its not for you,
all you need to do is just return it, and I will personally refund your money back,
my NEW advert is in the new Vanish magazine issue 13 out yesterday, on page 173,
THIS MAGAZINE IS FREE TO ALL MAGICIANS and is well worth downloading, you can do so at www.vanishmagazine.com
Message: Posted by: Jamie Ferguson (Apr 13, 2014 09:06AM)
It is a legal requirement to state the amount of mercury in the mixture. Avoiding this via the excuse "it's a magic secret'" is simply not good enough.

Carl, it is up to you if you wish to continue selling it. Just keep your fingers crossed trading standards never decide to take a look at it.

Your helpful friend

Jamie.
Message: Posted by: de rome (Apr 26, 2014 05:57AM)
Thanks Jamie, ill keep your comments in mind,

Anyway just to let you all know that the new advert for HEAT is in the May and June issue of MagicSeen Magazine,
for the other World wide magicians who do not know, MagicSeen is the UKs biggest and best bi monthly magazine for magicians,
and is a great read for anyone, available to buy as a hard copy or now as a download direct to your computer,
if your interested in getting this here is a link..

http://www.magicseen.co.uk .....and the advert is on page 38
and still with the 7 day full money back guarantee I offer, That means even if you simply decide its not for you,
Message: Posted by: Jamie Ferguson (Apr 26, 2014 07:06AM)
I heard that this product was banned from the Blackpool magic convention because of health & safety concerns.

Does anyone know what the specific issue was?
Message: Posted by: tomsk192 (Apr 26, 2014 08:07AM)
Isn't there slightly more to that story, Jamie? Or is that where the trouble started in the first place?
Message: Posted by: de rome (Feb 17, 2015 11:47AM)
JAMIE FERGUSON.... YES HEAT is banned from the Blackpool magic convention by DEREK LEVER, and will be banned in 2015,
but honestly NOT because of the product, simply because it is me that makes it, AND no other reason,
Me and Derek hate each others guts, and for the past 10 years I have been constantly letting as many magicians know what Derek Lever does and how many people he banns from his convention,
For those that do not know Some of the other people Derek Lever has banned from his convention is UKs Biggest magician ever the one and only Paul Daniels,
The Genii Magazine are not welcome to have a stand as they are banned, also Richard Kaufman is also banned personally,
Craig Mitchel who writes for all magic publications and also FISM, and this is a good one
SHAWN FARQUAR 2 times fism 1st place champion and also 1 time second place and 1 time 3rd place winner and president of the IBM,is also banned from Blackpool as well,
Derek even tried to Ban SHAWN from his 2012 FISM but Eric over ruled him,
The problem with DL is if you say or print anything against him its enough to get you banned from the BMC,

IF I WAS TO MAKE THUMB TIPS or manufacture silks or a card trick .....THEY WOULD ALSO BE BANNED FROM DEREKS CONVENTION,
Message: Posted by: Richard Kaufman (Feb 25, 2015 11:41AM)
Derek Lever can kiss my grits.
Message: Posted by: Shawn Farquhar (Mar 2, 2015 04:13PM)
"Derek Lever can kiss my grits." - Richard Kaufman

Well that quote just made me smile.

-shawn
Message: Posted by: Roki (Jan 5, 2016 08:11AM)
Well you cant get a better comeback than that ! Its good to hear Carl rebuffing each attack. I am sure he would not sell this product if he thought it was harmful.
At the same time I really appreciate the likes of Jamie Ferguson bringing up critical questions . You can get a lot of flack on these boards for daring to challenge the creators .
So thanks to both of you and keep it up!
Message: Posted by: Roki (Jan 5, 2016 08:23AM)
So to be clear Carl , although you rightly don't want to reveal your recipe, may I ask a couple of questions , as I genuinely want this product...
1.if the quantity of mercury chemical in a dose given to a spectator was revealed to trading standards , they would say it was perfectly safe for any adult to handle?
2. Is the quantity handled by a magician in regular use , by hand , also safe . According to health and safety standards.
3. Has this ever been verified or checked with any official body, other than magicians?
Though you yourself are standing up as an example of good health , I am not sure we can always tell the mental and physical health of a magician compared to the average mad hatter of old !
Message: Posted by: rasp (Jan 5, 2016 06:04PM)
Surely the simplest way to put all this debate to bed, would be for someone to purchase a bottle and give it to 'trading standards' with a letter of concerns, and ask that it be tested and verified safe.
Message: Posted by: Roki (Feb 2, 2016 05:37PM)
Its concerning that my question has no answer.
I guess it means Carl has no idea if its harmful or not .
Message: Posted by: dave_matkin (Jun 8, 2019 11:11AM)
[quote]On Mar 19, 2014, de rome wrote:
For more info on HEAT, There are other threads on the Café with loads of posts, or you can click on the banner on the Magic Café opening page,... It is the BANNER with the FIRE and HAND that says HEAT,

or to see more and to order click on this link www.cdrmagic.com/heat.html

This is the safest version you will ever get to use and I will say the best version,
But its a chemical and please remember NO chemical is 100% SAFE,
and I also offer to EVERYONE a full 7 day money back guarantee, |Just buy it, and try it, for 7 days.
and IF for any reason you do not like it, or think you can not use it... just send it back and I Will refund you,

Payment is easy by PayPal, and its only £28 per bottle that's about $43,
and 1 bottle will last you for HUNDREDS of performances. I Hope this answers some of your questions for now

OH YES, and you have to be OVER 18 to buy this from me,

PLUS please remember not to perform this effect on children.

as I have only ever had ONE bottle returned under my guarantee from a UK magician that said,
"Im sending this back as I only do childrens shows, and I have decided that I can not find a place in my shows to use it"....Bloody IDIOT

http://www.cdrmagic.com/heat.html [/quote]

Bloody IDIOT for doing kids shows ... or just been dense enough to think that by ordering it may have made it acceptable for a kids show?

Could do it on some of the parents though right.


Not like youre not clear from the very start of the page?