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Topic: Thought Transmitter Pro by John Cornelius
Message: Posted by: avimagic (Mar 25, 2014 01:41PM)
There is a very long thread in the "Latest & Greatest" forum discussing the new Thought Transmitter Pro by John Cornelius.

It was because of that thread that I almost didn't buy it, and I realized that we owe it to John to create a new thread on the subject. Here's why:

I was always a fan of the original Thought Transmitter. Mine was unfortunately lost, and I needed to replace it for use at a recent tradeshow. I searched the Café just to see what was out there on the market and came across the aforementioned thread.

For the first several pages of the thread, people complained about a major issue with the prop that led to exposure and embarrassment. As I came to learn from John himself, this issue was due to an incorrect placement of the gimmick by the person who was assembling the props for him. The error was so simple that it could be corrected in about 5 seconds by the purchaser of the prop, but it cost John tremendously in reputation points. Case in point, I was lucky that I called him (I did so only because I wanted to find out if he still had the old version in stock). I had only read through the first few pages of the thread. Had I read a little further, I would have discovered the simple fix, as well as glowing reviews from those who use Thought Transmitter Pro!

I bought the Thought Transmitter Pro, and I must say I couldn't be happier with it! I thought the original TT was amazing, but the new one leaves it in the dust. While its handling is similar in nature to the original, the Pro version offers these additional features and benefits:

(1) Greater flexibility as to what the volunteer can write on---it no longer needs to be a post-it note or other thin paper. You can have them write on a business card, playing card, etc.
(2) The above improvement gives you an opportunity to use the trick as a memorable way to hand out your business card.
(3) The new design makes it seem more like an everyday object and less like a magician's prop. It no longer bears certain characteristics that always seemed a little awkward to me, and which I thought might lead to questions and suspicion (however, to be fair, my fears were never realized; no one ever questioned it).
(4) The placement of the volunteer's written item between two opaque cards in the wallet makes the entire thing even more baffling. I performed it for a magician who uses the original TT, and he had no clue whatsoever how I did it.
(5) The original TT didn't last forever; eventually you would need to replace it. For reasons I'd prefer not to disclose here (but those who use TT will understand completely), with proper care, the new version can be used over and over for years and years.

Because the thread that opens with so many bad reviews comes up first in Café searches, I respectfully open this new thread by rating Thought Transmitter Pro 5 stars!
Message: Posted by: Mark_Chandaue (Mar 25, 2014 02:01PM)
I still think it is important that people understand that this cannot be used in the same way as the original TT. The problem was not merely the placement but rather that this does not perform the same task as the original. Mine has been consigned to the drawer of no return and there it will stay. I currently have nothing that does the same job as the original TT. I have several things that do the same job as the TT pro and every single one of them does it better. Personally I still give this 0 stars and hope that one day John releases something like the original TT.

Mark
Message: Posted by: dooblehorn (Mar 25, 2014 02:13PM)
[quote]
On Mar 25, 2014, Mark_Chandaue wrote:
"...but rather that this does not perform the same task as the original....Mark
[/quote]
Not sure what this means...I did not have an original one, but from what I've read, the effect and outcome are the same...

All I did was modify the gimmick with a real credit card, as the original gimmick design did not make sense to me...if you own one, you'll know what I mean...but anyway, I love it!
Message: Posted by: Sensio (Mar 25, 2014 02:24PM)
This is my take on it.

https://vimeo.com/88815934

...along with some nice improvements not mentioned on the particular clip

Sensio!
Message: Posted by: avimagic (Mar 25, 2014 02:40PM)
[quote]
On Mar 25, 2014, dooblehorn wrote:
[quote]
On Mar 25, 2014, Mark_Chandaue wrote:
"...but rather that this does not perform the same task as the original....Mark
[/quote]
Not sure what this means...I did not have an original one, but from what I've read, the effect and outcome are the same...

All I did was modify the gimmick with a real credit card, as the original gimmick design did not make sense to me...if you own one, you'll know what I mean...but anyway, I love it!
[/quote]

I had the same reaction to Mark's comment. I don't get the difference as far as the outcome is concerned. The only differences from where I sit are improvements. Furthermore, zero stars is unfair even if you don't agree that the new version is better. It almost sounds personal.

And yes, I too have modified the design to include my own cards. I even insert a folded $20 into the top flap.
Message: Posted by: Mark_Chandaue (Mar 25, 2014 06:25PM)
The difference between the original and the TT pro, in the original you hand them the wallet, they write inside it and close it themselves while your back is turned and you do not open the wallet after handing it to them. The moment you do the deed is well justified and if performed well the spectator will not even recall you touching the wallet. This is the single biggest advantage of the TT. The p**k is smaller than most similar items, it has a finite battery and finally there are lighting restrictions. However the next best thing allowing the spectator to write directly into the pad while your back is turned and close it themselves and keep hold of it is when you start getting into pr*m**tic or similar items costing hundreds/thousands of dollars.

Compare that to the TT Pro, the information is written on the card, the performer has to take back the card, the performer has to place it in the wallet and then close the wallet themselves, many of us bought the TT specifically to avoid having the spec write on a card, having to take back the card and place it into a wallet. There are very few devices that, like the original TT allow you to hand it to a spec, have them write in it (not write on a card and place it in the wallet, why your wallet, why not their pocket?) close it, you then wrap an elastic round it and hand it straight back and let them pocket it.

Yes they both ultimately let you p**k a small area and both have similar restrictions but they are used very differently. The original TT has no alternatives in the same price bracket or even at 10x the price. When it comes to the TT pro on the other hand almost every p**k wallet out there allows you to place the spectators card in the wallet! several are cheaper, almost all give a far bigger p**k, non of the others have any concern over leakage or require batteries. The effect of putting the card into the SUC on my SAW is the same to a spectator but the SAW will give me far more. Likewise my lookout wallet cost a little less than the TTpro but with lookout the spectator can place the card in the wallet themselves, if I so choose they can put it between my driving license and a credit card, they can close the wallet themselves and I can take it back briefly, wrap an elastic round it and hand it straight back to the spectator. And still get a p**k of the entire card. Not only that but it is leather and holds my business cards.

So yes they both give you a very small p**k but the original had a very big advantage over most other devices that made up for its limitations. The pro has the same limitations but no longer has the advantage over other devices. If you perform in the London area and want to use your Oyster card as a logical and organic place to hide the specs card then this will definitely perform that task, beyond that I can not think of a single reason to recommend the TTpro over any of the other wallets out there in the same or lower price ranges.

If you like it then great, it does what it was designed to do but to say that the negative feedback in the original thread was because the gimmick was misplaced is erroneous and misleading, sure that fact didn't help but the biggest source of disappointment was the fundamental redesign that stripped away every single advantage the original had for absolutely zero net gain.

Mark
Message: Posted by: avimagic (Mar 25, 2014 06:33PM)
Why can't you let the spectator put the card in the wallet and close it themselves?

I performed TT about 50 times in the past week, and every time, the spectator wrote on the card while my back was turned, placed the card in the wallet, and placed the wallet in my hand, which was waiting behind my back for them to finish. I pop a rubber band around the TT while doing the p**k, then nonchalantly toss the wallet onto the table as if it just doesn't matter any more. Which it doesn't. The rest is all performance fluff.

I don't know what you do differently that requires you to place the card in the wallet yourself, but if you'd like to PM me I'd be happy to be more specific about dealing with whatever issues you may encounter that have prevented you from letting the spectator do this him/herself.
Message: Posted by: Mark_Chandaue (Mar 25, 2014 07:00PM)
[quote]
On Mar 25, 2014, avimagic wrote:
Why can't you let the spectator put the card in the wallet and close it themselves?[/quote]

Well mainly because the size of the p**k is tiny and so the card has to be positioned just right. Sure you can get custom made cards that fill the entire wallet so that the spectator can't put the card in the wrong place but then you have the problem of trying to justify why they can only write on this tiny little circle on such a huge card..

[quote]I performed TT about 50 times in the past week, and every time, the spectator wrote on the card while my back was turned, placed the card in the wallet, and placed the wallet in my hand, which was waiting behind my back for them to finish. I pop a rubber band around the TT while doing the p**k, then nonchalantly toss the wallet onto the table as if it just doesn't matter any more. Which it doesn't. The rest is all performance fluff.[/quote]
Then you have been exceptionally lucky because there is zero margin for error whilst the wallet allows the spectator to place the card either too far left or too far right and they only have to be a few millimetres either side and you are playing guessing games or trying to find a justification to remove the card or place it back in. 30 years experience of performing to real people tells me if there is a margin for error spectators will find it, especially when your back is turned. The margin for error on the card placement in the TTpro is so large that I would say that your explanation of how you handle the TT is either not entirely accurate or you are on borrowed time before a spectator fails to align the card so perfectly. Personally I would prefer to use my lookout wallet that not only has no margin for error but also does not require me to limit where the spectator can write and allows me to p**k the entire card. It also has no battery to fail. All that in leather costing me £5 less than the TTpro. Can you tell me 3 advantages the TTPro has over the lookout wallet to make up for the much smaller p**k and higher price tag? What about 2?

[quote]I don't know what you do differently that requires you to place the card in the wallet yourself, but if you'd like to PM me I'd be happy to be more specific about dealing with whatever issues you may encounter that have prevented you from letting the spectator do this him/herself.
[/quote] I don't do anything that requires me to place the card in the wallet because when I say the TTpro went into the drawer of death it was a euphemism for the dustbin. Just as I could not recommend the TTpro neither could I sell mine to somebody else in all good consciense and so it got launched. However if you are ever in the Essex area by all means attempt to perform TTpro on me and I will give you a very simple demonstration of how screwed you are when the spectator quite innocently places the card too far to the left or too far to the right. I will also happily demonstrate a multitude of p**k effects that I can perform with my espionage, saw, lookout and every other p**k device I have that could not be performed with the TT pro.

To be honest if I want to restrict myself to such a small area without the advantage of the TT I'd rather use acidus novus for such a small p**k. If you like it as I said great, enjoy it, if it works for you that's all that matters but my personal opinion is that the TTpro is the worst device of its kind on the market and my advice to anyone looking for a p**k device would be that unless that buss pass type wallet fits a specific need then take a look at the other options out there because most do the job far better than the TT pro for all of the reasons that I have outlined in these posts.

Mark
Message: Posted by: MagicFett (Mar 25, 2014 08:29PM)
Avimagic said "The original TT didn't last forever; eventually you would need to replace it. For reasons I'd prefer not to disclose here (but those who use TT will understand completely), with proper care, the new version can be used over and over for years and years. "

I have had my original tt since it first came out and have used it thousands of times, still works just fine. I know what you are saying here but with proper care the original has lasted me years and years as well.
Message: Posted by: Mark_Chandaue (Mar 25, 2014 08:40PM)
Quite frankly all that was really needed was a way to make the original have a longer lifespan. With no other modifications it would have had far less negative comments and would fill a gap in the market that still exists or has been created by the lack of availability of the original. The biggest shame of all is that that gap is currently filled by the rip of merchants and I suspect that there are people out there giving those rip of merchants money that they would really like to be giving John. My money will of course go on a key ring thing that will add new life into my old TT until such time that my money can go to John or something new hits the market that fills the hole in an ethical way.

Mark
Message: Posted by: Doc Ben (Mar 25, 2014 10:33PM)
"Something new"....?
Is anyone here old enough to remember what I think was a Robert Nelson Enterprises stage item,...from the 70' s...?...being a stack of standard size pay envelopes upon which was placeda single pay envelope containing an index card written on by the spec.....which writing was revealed to the mentalist by the same principle. However, I believe the "works" within the faux stack only needed the ever reliable AA or AAA ba*€ eri#£.
For the life of me I can' t remember if I gave it away or sold it....in fact the above TT streams make me want to dig thru my closet collection and see if I may still have it.... :question: :worry:
Message: Posted by: DynaMix (Mar 26, 2014 12:22PM)
[quote]
On Mar 25, 2014, avimagic wrote:


I performed TT about 50 times in the past week, and every time, the spectator wrote on the card while my back was turned, placed the card in the wallet, and placed the wallet in my hand, which was waiting behind my back for them to finish. I pop a rubber band around the TT while doing the p**k, then nonchalantly toss the wallet onto the table as if it just doesn't matter any more. Which it doesn't. The rest is all performance fluff.


[/quote]

Hi Avimagic, I am curious as to your handling as well. Currently I put the card back in, but are you just telling the spec "slide it in between these 2 cards?"...

Just curious, I'd love to improve my handling if I can.
Message: Posted by: avimagic (Aug 6, 2014 12:10PM)
[quote]On Mar 26, 2014, DynaMix wrote:
[quote]
On Mar 25, 2014, avimagic wrote:


I performed TT about 50 times in the past week, and every time, the spectator wrote on the card while my back was turned, placed the card in the wallet, and placed the wallet in my hand, which was waiting behind my back for them to finish. I pop a rubber band around the TT while doing the p**k, then nonchalantly toss the wallet onto the table as if it just doesn't matter any more. Which it doesn't. The rest is all performance fluff.


[/quote]

Hi Avimagic, I am curious as to your handling as well. Currently I put the card back in, but are you just telling the spec "slide it in between these 2 cards?"...

Just curious, I'd love to improve my handling if I can. [/quote]

So sorry it took so long to reply to this. I just saw it!

I tell them simply, "Slide the card in behind my Visa card, so that even if the wallet were to open accidentally, I still couldn't possibly see what you wrote."
Message: Posted by: David Thiel (Aug 10, 2014 11:18PM)
And what's the reason for placing their card into your wallet in such a precise fashion?

An effect that once made perfect sense has, in my reluctant opinion, been turned into just another convoluted mess. I really dislike the new TT and I adored the old one. However, if you like the Pro version, more power to you. I don't. And I don't much care that they were assembled wrong. The concept is still a mess. Whereas the post it note simply was left in the original, now it's placed between two cards and put into the wallet. Why? To draw attention to the wallet? To introduce the notion that you can't see whats been written? This was never a factor with the original. You got your pe@k as you took the wallet back. What could be simpler?

I thought the pro version was a model where I could change the batteries myself. As Mark has observed, that's all that was necessary. Not so.

I'm selling both of mine right now...and continuing to buy up as many originals as I can get my hands on.

David
Message: Posted by: george1953 (Aug 11, 2014 05:15AM)
Yes David, all that was needed was a method of changing the battery, which would have improved it 100%.
Message: Posted by: JanForster (Aug 11, 2014 05:03PM)
Yes, absolutely true. The new version symbolizes pure magician's thinking. Jan
Message: Posted by: j100taylor (Aug 11, 2014 07:03PM)
I think its awesome. But there I go being all magiciany.
Message: Posted by: bdekolta (Aug 11, 2014 09:51PM)
I should see John in a few weeks and will try to remember to ask him about this. He typically has thought things through far more than almost anybody you'll meet. It wouldn't surprise me if he has a way to do it like the original.
Message: Posted by: RedDevil (Aug 12, 2014 06:53AM)
What David said.
Message: Posted by: cheesewrestler (Aug 12, 2014 09:03PM)
[quote]On Aug 11, 2014, bdekolta wrote:
I should see John in a few weeks and will try to remember to ask him about this. He typically has thought things through far more than almost anybody you'll meet. It wouldn't surprise me if he has a way to do it like the original. [/quote]

While you're at it, could you ask him if there's any chance of producing another run of the original style? I'm sure the new one is great, but I like the original.
Message: Posted by: nimrod (Aug 13, 2014 12:09AM)
The new one is useless for a professional mentalist's needs. I've yet to meet one who thinks otherwise.
I wish he would continue selling the old one.

If it ain't broken don't fix it.
Message: Posted by: bdekolta (Aug 13, 2014 10:22AM)
You might try writing him yourself. John quit selling the original product and his other stuff due to constant ripoffs of his creations. I'm sure he would be open to positive feedback from people who support the creator.

I'll ask about the handling decision but past that I'd rather not spend our time discussing something I don't use. That said I do still use something of his he came up with several decades ago. Still works perfectly.

I posted on this thread since John is one of the most creative people you will ever meet. He is sadly under appreciated in today's magic community and a visible example of how knock off products can drive the real producers underground.
Message: Posted by: avimagic (Aug 13, 2014 12:16PM)
[quote]On Aug 11, 2014, David Thiel wrote:
And what's the reason for placing their card into your wallet in such a precise fashion?
...
Whereas the post it note simply was left in the original, now it's placed between two cards and put into the wallet. Why? To draw attention to the wallet? To introduce the notion that you can't see whats been written? This was never a factor with the original.[/quote]

(1) I always found it more suspicious that there was a post-it note sitting on top of a memo pad. For God's sake, it's a memo pad! Why is it behind a piece of clear plastic and why am I writing on a single post-it note that's been slapped over it?

(2) I tell the volunteer that they need to hide what they wrote. First turn it face-down so I can't see it. Then stick it in behind my credit card so that even if it accidentally flips open, I can't possibly see what you've written. It's never even raised an eyebrow.

And since they're writing on my business card, and NOT a post-it note, the card becomes a souvenir that benefits ME with a little marketing.
Message: Posted by: Mark_Chandaue (Aug 13, 2014 01:20PM)
My TT simply looked like a pad of post it notes and so made complete sense. I have a very similar leather pad of post it notes except it has Fair Issaac's logo on the front as it was a promotional giveaway from them. My TT had a pad of promotional post it's from another company taken from a similar pad. As such it looked completely innocent.

Mark
Message: Posted by: Fire Starter (Dec 1, 2015 12:16PM)
Thought Transmitter Pro By John Cornelius,well I also got this at the week end along with the excellent PANTERA v2 wallet.I have done a few modications to the thought wallet and I do quite like it.I did a performance today with it and also just chucked it under my black woolie work hat BOOM I had what I needed to see,job done,going to have fun with these two wallet's.
Message: Posted by: Sensio (Dec 1, 2015 12:34PM)
FYI this is an alterative, more organic version

http://knockoutmentalism.weebly.com/sensiopad.html
Message: Posted by: Fire Starter (Dec 1, 2015 03:47PM)
[quote]On Dec 1, 2015, Sensio wrote:
FYI this is an alterative, more organic version

http://knockoutmentalism.weebly.com/sensiopad.html [/quote]
Many thanks for the link,this indeed does look very good.
Message: Posted by: Taterini (Dec 1, 2015 05:23PM)
For those who liked the original Thought Transmitter you might want to take a look at this offering from Carlyle...
http://carlyletouch.com/Brain_Wave_Case.html
Message: Posted by: Fire Starter (Dec 3, 2015 12:40PM)
I would really like to see some review's on SENSIO PAD and the BRAIN WAVE CASE as they both look good.
Message: Posted by: Robb (Dec 3, 2015 01:47PM)
Is there a way to install a new you-know-what in the original TT? I have one sitting around and it's useless to me now.
Message: Posted by: ThoughtThief (Dec 3, 2015 02:57PM)
I seem to comprise a minority of one that prefers the TTPro to the original TT. It's thinner, looks like an everyday card carrier, and has never let me down. I've no qualms letting a spec handle it. In fact, I insist that they place it in their own shirt pocket, jacket pocket, or handbag once the dirty work is done, which, as we know, is the work of an instant.

For those that don't care for the TTPro, try thinking of it as a SUC that allows for even freer handling. That's been my mindset since I received it, and I've used it constantly, most often for drawing duplications but also for first names, initials, etc.

TT
Message: Posted by: RedDevil (Dec 3, 2015 05:27PM)
Has anyone gotten their hands on the one by Carlyle? On the ad, it says it is based on JC's design (with permission, I assume)...If JC gave permission, we may finally have gotten what we are asking for. Anybody know more?
Message: Posted by: Jamie D (Dec 5, 2015 12:51PM)
I'm tempted to buy one myself as I've been waiting for a long time for something like the original.
Message: Posted by: Mr. Mindbender (Dec 5, 2015 08:40PM)
I received mine today. I had an original Thought Transmitter a few years ago, but no longer have it, so I'm only comparing this new one to the original from my memory!

It's pretty much identical except for two aspects...

1) It's rechargeable, which is huge! It uses an LCD universal charger (supplied), which is something I've never used, so it took a minute to figure out (it's not simple plug and charge, but it's pretty darn simple).

2) From what I remember of the original, the activation switch used to gain your peek was located in one of the four corners. This one has the switch along the on the edges, in in the middle, halfway between each corner (hope that makes sense).

Other than those two points, the wallet seems identical. Definitely happy with my purchase!
Message: Posted by: RedDevil (Dec 6, 2015 08:49AM)
That's good to know. I am glad to see there is finally an authorized version, as the TT was one of my favorite props ever.
Message: Posted by: Paul S Wingham (Dec 10, 2015 05:54AM)
I am really surprised the brain wave case hasnt received more attention because the original TT was pretty unique for soemthing that price as mark has mentioned and left a hole when it went out of production. I think it even has advantages over some IMP devices becasue of the way you get what you need with very little action on your part. The Pro TT on the other hand solves a problem that never existed whilst bathing it in a glorius soft light! I wouldnt go as far as saying completely useless becasue it does work and I can see the organic nature of an oyster card holder appealing to people, but in my opinion there are better ways to get a peak if you have to touch the card / peaking device in they way you have to.
Message: Posted by: David Thiel (Dec 10, 2015 11:46AM)
[quote]On Dec 1, 2015, Taterini wrote:
For those who liked the original Thought Transmitter you might want to take a look at this offering from Carlyle...
http://carlyletouch.com/Brain_Wave_Case.html [/quote]

Thank you, Taterini. I've ordered it. Looking forward to seeing how it compares.

David
Message: Posted by: lucavolpe (Dec 10, 2015 12:27PM)
Just wondering the rechargeble unit if is ok in Europe...
Message: Posted by: Taterini (Dec 10, 2015 01:30PM)
[quote]On Dec 10, 2015, lucavolpe wrote:
Just wondering the rechargeble unit if is ok in Europe... [/quote]

Hey Luca -
It's set up for a standard US 110 volt 2 prong plug so you would need a travel converter/adapter to plug the charger into.
Message: Posted by: David Thiel (Mar 17, 2016 12:29PM)
I received this prop some time ago...but I was so busy I didn't have much time to look it over. Last night I took a look at this prop and mostly I like it.

It lacks the beauty of the TWO "hidden" cont***s in the original TT and in its place is a switch which makes an audible click when depressed. I don't necessarily see this as a drawback, since most places are loud enough that the sound can't be heard...and it's also possible that it sounds loud only because I am listening for it.

Being able to recharge the unit is a huge advantage...and the transparency is perfect.

To be honest, once I quit using the TT, I came up with a number of other effects to use in walkabout and the prop has slid off of my radar at the moment. If I ever do go back to using the TT, this will be a serviceable replacement.

David
Message: Posted by: Sensio (Mar 17, 2016 01:45PM)
This may suit your needs too:

http://knockoutmentalism.weebly.com/sensiopad.html
Message: Posted by: 252life (Dec 8, 2016 08:30PM)
Sensio! I know this is an old thread...but BRAVO!
Checked out your site, video, etc., and just wanted to say I'm impressed with how you think.

Good stuff :)

252Interested
Message: Posted by: Sensio (Dec 12, 2016 12:52AM)
Really encouraging message.
Thank you!
Message: Posted by: 252life (Dec 12, 2016 10:45AM)
:)
Message: Posted by: garymey (Jul 31, 2019 04:36AM)
I just was going through some magic in storage (nobody knows about hat, right?)and found the original Thought Transmitter. Fro lack of use over years the battery has died. John used to sell a replacement for $19.95 but since he passed away in May I am not sure what to do. Did anyone ever have success using another battery?
Message: Posted by: towledge (Aug 7, 2019 10:30PM)
Raymond Carlyle sells a new version which basically replaces the TT.

http://www.carlyletouch.com/Deluxe_Brain_Wave_case.html
Message: Posted by: Mystero (Oct 18, 2019 01:40PM)
I have 3 of these original Thought Transmitters all have stopped working and I spoke with Linda Cornelius today and she says there are no replacement battery packs available, she did say she would take back the original back and replace it for $35- still thinking about it- let me know your thoughts.