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Topic: Train Tracking - by Atlas Brookings
Message: Posted by: celebrity (Apr 6, 2014 04:44PM)
A few days ago I had a Skype chat with Atlas to discuss the format of my lecture day. With the boring stuff out of the way Atlas gave me a demonstration of his up an coming release titled "Train Tracking". Now although Atlas had mentioned this to me in the past this was the first time I had the pleasure of witnessing it first hand and my reaction...

Stunned silence followed by one of the biggest grins my face has had the fortune to bear, this is the stuff of dreams.

Today I followed up our chat by quizzing Atlas when he was releasing this and he kindly gave me permission to give you advanced knowledge about it, you can all thank me later ;)

As a mentalist the grail would be a system for revealing any word without the need for anything to be written down, without any forces, stooges, peeks or otherwise. If you want a system for revealing a genuinely thought of word then look no further, "Train Tracking" does this beautifully and even allows you to reveal other thought of information at the same time.

If its of any interest when Atlas performed this on me I thought of the word "Puzzle", this was genuinely a free choice on my part without restriction. (I chose this word as I had been working my way through the Puzzle Book that Neil S sent me for my birthday (Thanks Neil). I also hasten to add that this book/topic was never mentioned to Atlas during our chat and nor was this book visible at the time either.

There are so many things that impress me about "Train Tacking" the fact that it can be done over the phone or on Skype in the exact same fashion that it can be done in person. The fact that you could perform this naked (which Atlas was when he Skyped me), the fact that he revealed so much more along the way.

After asking Atlas if he was going to release this (the point of my post) he suggested that he hopes to release this in 3-4 months as a limited edition book. I for one have asked him to keep me in the loop and as a self assigned ambassador for amazing mentalism I will leave this knowledge with you to do as you require ;)

Atlas also suggested that his book may contain a couple of bonus routines one of which I'm very familiar with titled "Postcard Opener". In this effect you ask a spectator where they would like to go on an imaginary trip. You also ask when they would like to go on the journey. You thirdly ask them to think of any word that would describe their intended holiday (this isn't ever written down).

You then produce a post card from your pocket which visually depicts their destination, this is post marked/stamped with their selected date and printed across it is the word that they are thinking of.

I for one can't wait until its released, I feel so fortunate to have witnessed this in action. Atlas my friend you are amazing!!!!!
Message: Posted by: takeachance (Apr 6, 2014 05:30PM)
Sounds great but also sounds like a lot of mental gymnastics. How much steering do you go through to get there?
Message: Posted by: rasp (Apr 6, 2014 06:17PM)
I have had the pleasure of spending time with Atlas on two occasions now. The first being in Blackpool and the second at Tabula Mentis in Birmingham.

Atlas is a very amiable and affable character who gives meaningful performances. In Blackpool I was treated to a performance of Postcard Opener and in Birmingham (after me rudely badgering him) Atlas took me to one side and performed Train Tracking. At no time did I feel steered in any way, it felt very natural and justified. No props involved, and the outcome of Atlas revealing every piece of information had me dumbfounded.

My name is definitely going on his limited list to procure this.

Rasp.
Message: Posted by: eSamuels (Apr 6, 2014 06:57PM)
It has become apparent, in recent years, to those who have come to know his work, that Atlas is a mischeviously clever man!
Really enjoy his thought process, which is lateral, horizontol, vertical and eventually detours under the fundation of the building you're stading in!

Looking forward to hearing more about this.

e
Message: Posted by: Scott Soloff (Apr 6, 2014 10:16PM)
What Eric said...

Best,

Scott
Message: Posted by: Michael Zarek (Apr 6, 2014 11:24PM)
Sounds awesome, is calling out letters (like in an anagram) involved?
Message: Posted by: seamagu (Apr 7, 2014 01:22AM)
I was train tracked twice in a row by Atlas on Skype the other evening. I made a totally free choice and mentally selected the word kitchen. We had a nice chat and then he hit me with my thought of word. I really didn't think he would get it. I thought of another word, hand, and of course he got it in probably less than a minute.

The style of the effect is really enjoyable for the spectator and I really was not expecting him to reveal my word without fishing etc.

What is amazing about this is that I really had a completely free choice, not from a category or with any restrictions, nothing is written down. It really is that clean.

This is pure mentalism at its finest :-)

Sea
Message: Posted by: george1953 (Apr 7, 2014 02:41AM)
Sounds very interesting, I have never met Atlas but have friends who know him and swear by his creations, I will be watching this one for sure .
Message: Posted by: Stephen Young (Apr 7, 2014 04:33AM)
I have alson been hit by the freight train of bewilderment that Atlas is calling Train Tracking.

I was Skypi-fied into wonderland by Atlas. This is yet another of Atlas' blockbusters.
I don't think Atlas has put out anything that would score less than a 10 on most people's feedback forms.

To be honest although he's called it Train Tracking...........
Most people, on seeing it, will just call it Mind Reading.


steve
Message: Posted by: tricky360 (Apr 7, 2014 05:49AM)
I remember Atlas mentioning this a few months back in one of his products.
( can't remember where I read it. )
But I was intrigued then. You can bet anything Atlas puts out is a guaranteed winner in my eyes.
And I will be keeping my eyes open for this. :babyface:
Message: Posted by: Atlas (Apr 7, 2014 12:08PM)
Thanks everyone for all your enthusiasm and interest!

It was a nice surprise to see so many anecdotes here with so many kind things said about me personally - I can assure you that they are entirely unmerited.

For anyone looking for a release date, I'm hoping to have this finished by June.

Best,

Atlas
Message: Posted by: psychomind (Apr 7, 2014 12:43PM)
[quote]
On Apr 7, 2014, MagicAtlas wrote:
Thanks everyone for all your enthusiasm and interest!

It was a nice surprise to see so many anecdotes here with so many kind things said about me personally - I can assure you that they are entirely unmerited.

For anyone looking for a release date, I'm hoping to have this finished by June.

Best,

Atlas
[/quote]


Hi Atlas

The effect sounds amazing!!
Any info on the price of the book

Thanks
Message: Posted by: magicman29 (Apr 7, 2014 12:53PM)
Been looking forward to this getting released with ages! This is gonna sell fast!

Kieran
Message: Posted by: kinesis (Apr 7, 2014 03:10PM)
I will be looking forward to this release. Anything that comes from this man's mind is pure gold, 'The Prodigal' for instance was a game changer for me. Can't wait!
Message: Posted by: lucavolpe (Apr 7, 2014 06:11PM)
Atlas is a great and clever guy, I look forward to this release too ;)
Message: Posted by: yachanin (Apr 7, 2014 06:51PM)
Hi All,

I was fortunate to see "Train Tracking" when it was just a single sheet of scrawled notes Atlas had shared with me. I believe my comment to him was, "That's a bad *** idea." I know he's made many refinements and changes since then and this will surely kill your audiences.

Regards, Steve
Message: Posted by: Matt Chalk (Apr 8, 2014 04:53AM)
Really excited for this release.

Sounds incredible!!
Message: Posted by: bond19 (Apr 8, 2014 06:22AM)
The pace of change and refinement this art is experiencing is breathtaking. I'm certainly no creator (I'm just not wired that way). But I do consider myself super fortunate to be part of learning, and then privilege in performing for people this new-wave of material. Atlas, consider me well and truly on board the train tracking experience!

Chris
Message: Posted by: Jamie D (Apr 8, 2014 07:38AM)
This sounds great Atlas, looking forward to this so count me in.
Message: Posted by: saysold1 (Apr 8, 2014 08:44AM)
Very cool stuff. Good luck to Atlas and looking forward to the release.
Message: Posted by: Luccky (Apr 8, 2014 03:20PM)
Very good news. Can't wait to see this release. Your previous works were great. I use your prodigal on daily basis and it's very strong material.

Best,

Luccky
Message: Posted by: Shuaige (Apr 9, 2014 08:56AM)
Looking forward to this... Anywhere we can register to keep us notified on the progress of this project? Thanks!!! ;P
Message: Posted by: Atlas (Apr 10, 2014 05:58AM)
Thanks Psychomind, Luccky, Luca, Derek, Brett, Matt, Jamie, Chris, Steve, and Kieran for your interest and for taking the time to say such undeservedly kind things about my work. It is nice to hear, but - in my mind - all of my previous releases pale in comparison to Train Tracking. It is something I use consistently and that is part of why this release will be limited.

I will say that I had the pleasure of performing Train Tracking for Mark Elsdon at Blackpool. He subsequently asked me to perform it for a friend of his, and when I told that gentleman what word he was thinking of, Mark laughed and said "It's like he's walking around inside your head." It is a very strong piece, propless and impromptu, and is extremely versatile in performance.

At the moment, I'm not sure how many copies I'll limit this to, or the price. I'm more concerned about making sure everything is clear and concise and that everything that needs to be relayed makes it into the book.

Best,

Atlas
Message: Posted by: JanForster (Apr 10, 2014 08:37AM)
Make it expensive and then decide also to whom you sell it. We have too many lurkers anyway. Jan
Message: Posted by: magus (Apr 10, 2014 03:05PM)
Ring my bell and call me Pavlov. I'm actually salivation at the prospect.
I think the price should be very high.
For everyone except me.
Notice- no smiley face.
I am just that selfish.
Message: Posted by: psychomind (Apr 10, 2014 04:26PM)
Really excited to get this :)
Message: Posted by: celebrity (Apr 14, 2014 11:47AM)
Rumour has it that Atlas will be previewing his "Train Tracking" system at the "Meeting of the Minds" in Newcastle. This is a one day multi lecture event that is being organised my myself alongside some great performers not wishing to "de-rail" the thread/"train" of thought (see what I did), feel free to pm me for more information ;)

Best Wishes Michael
Message: Posted by: Mark_Chandaue (Apr 14, 2014 06:00PM)
I was very lucky to see a very early version of train tracking around a year ago. I'm dying to see how far this has developed because this is something that Atlas has been passionate about as long as I've known him and even in that early incarnation I could see why. Shooting myself in the foot again but this should be expensive and limited.

Mark
Message: Posted by: Atlas (Apr 14, 2014 06:39PM)
Thanks Mark, that's nice of you to say! I've only shared early iterations of this effect - despite the fact that I've been working with the principle for six years - so I expect that you'd be floored to see how all the components fit together and where this has eventually taken me. I actually just told someone over the phone that they were thinking of the word 'sausage' and they hung up on me.

And Michael, your use of puns was a heinous crime against good sense and healthy living.

Best,

Atlas
Message: Posted by: Mark_Chandaue (Apr 15, 2014 03:57PM)
Just had a call from Atlas, he asked me to think of any word in the English language and nothing was written down and after going through his completely innocent and beautifully scripted train tracking process he told me that the word I was merely thinking of was direct. He was of course correct. He was also able to tell me all of the words that I had thought of during the train tracking process.

I would call it a thing of beauty but it put things of beauty into the shade. If train tracking were a woman you would bang her every which way because she is beyond sexy. Whatever Atlas charges for this it will be too cheap. This is a billetless divination of absolutely anything, a word, a name, a place, anything. If this sounds like hype, it isn't, I'm actually trying to play down my enthusiasm. If any technique/principle ever gave me a boner this is the one.

My mind is going to be reeling with the possibilities. This is one limited release I really cannot afford to miss. Fortunately my kids have six kidneys between them, I'm sure I will be able to find a buyer for 1. Right I'm off to fill the bath with ice cubes while I work out which kid is responsible for most of my grey hairs.

Mark
Message: Posted by: Jeff Wassom (Apr 15, 2014 04:44PM)
[quote]On Apr 15, 2014, Mark_Chandaue wrote:
If train tracking were a woman you would bang her every which way because she is beyond sexy. Whatever Atlas charges for this it will be too cheap. This is a billetless divination of absolutely anything, a word, a name, a place, anything. If this sounds like hype, it isn't, I'm actually trying to play down my enthusiasm. If any technique/principle ever gave me a boner this is the one.[/quote]

Best testie-monial ever. If Atlas steps up to the plate using it in ad copy I'll buy this on principle.
Message: Posted by: Mark_Chandaue (Apr 15, 2014 05:03PM)
The possibilities of this are endless. You want to know the name of someone's first kiss ... Train track it, where somebody is going on holiday ... Train track it ..... A star sign? ..... Train track it. The price of a pound of bacon ... Train track it ... Ok you can't do that last one but you could train track that they had bacon in their sandwich. First letter for Moab .. Train track it, in fact forget the first letter, borrow a book, tell them to pick any word, any length, any page then train track that bugger right out of their head.

Actually wait a minute, I don't want you buggers train tracking, forget all that, it's decidedly average, you wouldn't like it, I may just take a kidney from each kid and buy them all and burn them to protect you all from such an undesirable little thing .... You will thank me for it ..... Honest. Now move along, nothing to see here.

Mark
Message: Posted by: Atlas (Apr 16, 2014 05:13AM)
[quote]On Apr 15, 2014, Jeff Wassom wrote:
[quote]On Apr 15, 2014, Mark_Chandaue wrote:
If train tracking were a woman you would bang her every which way because she is beyond sexy. Whatever Atlas charges for this it will be too cheap. This is a billetless divination of absolutely anything, a word, a name, a place, anything. If this sounds like hype, it isn't, I'm actually trying to play down my enthusiasm. If any technique/principle ever gave me a boner this is the one.[/quote]

Best testie-monial ever. If Atlas steps up to the plate using it in ad copy I'll buy this on principle. [/quote]

Yeah - I'm just going to go ahead and veto that idea right now!

Flattering though the quote is, I'm just not sure the imagery it conveys really nails that wholesome flavor I'm looking for. But it did put a grin on my chin.

Best,

Atlas
Message: Posted by: Atlas (Apr 16, 2014 05:14AM)
And yes, in retrospect, the last two sentences of my previous post are really, incredibly open to horrific abuse.

Best,

Atlas
Message: Posted by: Your Thinking Cap (Apr 16, 2014 08:07AM)
I contacted Atlas about a Skype demo of this. Can't wait to be "Train Tracked". ;)
Message: Posted by: Jeff Wassom (Apr 16, 2014 10:08AM)
Lol at the veto. This sounds wonderful and well worth paying a premium for.

Limited is cool, and I fully respect a creators right to release their babies into the world as they see fit, I'm just pretty chill and don't like to make purchases in a rush. If quanity available is enough as to where I don't have to hover over a mouse at a pre-determined time, I'm still in. =)
Message: Posted by: Dale A. Hildebrandt (Apr 16, 2014 10:26AM)
Atlas,

Your inbox is full. Please PM me when you get a chance. Thank you in advance.

Sincerely,
Dale A. Hildebrandt
Message: Posted by: Your Thinking Cap (Apr 16, 2014 01:07PM)
[quote]On Apr 16, 2014, Dale A. Hildebrandt wrote:
Atlas,

Your inbox is full. Please PM me when you get a chance. Thank you in advance.

Sincerely,
Dale A. Hildebrandt [/quote]

Same please!
Message: Posted by: Spackle666 (Apr 17, 2014 03:07AM)
Is this anything like chunneling?
Message: Posted by: MatCult (Apr 17, 2014 03:45AM)
[quote]On Apr 17, 2014, Spackle666 wrote:
Is this anything like chunneling? [/quote]

It doesn't sound like it from the description.

C********g is a devilishly subtle f*****g technique. But performers who have been "train tracked" describe the word choice as "genuinely free" and "without restriction".

But I don't know for sure. Just going by what has been posted.
Message: Posted by: Atlas (Apr 17, 2014 03:51AM)
[quote]On Apr 17, 2014, Spackle666 wrote:
Is this anything like chunneling? [/quote]

Sorry, but I'm not going address any questions regarding methodology in an open forum, or by PM, or through any medium but my book - so fishing for a method here is pretty pointless.

I've also been inundated with requests to demonstrate Train Tracking over Skype. Again, I apologize, but unless you are someone I have already met and know personally, I won't consider it. I just don't have enough time to make that a possibility.

Best,

Atlas
Message: Posted by: 5ublim3 (Apr 17, 2014 04:03AM)
I for one am already going to try n hop on this train, but is there a possibility of maybe posting one of these skype sessions for a demo? :) sounds great!
Message: Posted by: magus (Apr 19, 2014 12:22AM)
Saw it.
Like it.
Gonna buy it.
Message: Posted by: DrTodd (Apr 21, 2014 02:47AM)
Sounds excellent Atlas. Love your thinking on crusade and I am sure this will be just as good.
Message: Posted by: george1953 (Apr 21, 2014 04:34AM)
I really like the sound of this one, must make sure I am at the station when this train pulls in :-)
Message: Posted by: insight (Apr 21, 2014 01:19PM)
To what extent can this withstand scrutiny if you have a crowd and one of the members of the crowd videotapes a performance. Is it something that can be easily backtracked on video, since it potentially relies on linguistic deception?

Regards,
Mike
Message: Posted by: BlakeAdams (Apr 21, 2014 03:07PM)
Any idea on reales date? and price?
Message: Posted by: BMWGuy (Apr 21, 2014 11:31PM)
Will this only work in the English language?

Thanks

Alex Alejandro
Message: Posted by: Atlas (Apr 22, 2014 03:21AM)
Thanks Patrick, Todd and George.

Mike - the method really lends itself to 'jazz' performances and as a result, there are a lot of different ways to present this. When I include Train Tracking in my stage performances, there is nothing to see that an audience could use to backtrack. Up close or over the phone, there are several ways that you can make the final revelation - making backtracking more impossible. But, in general, because what happens is so impossible - especially since you only do something and the rest of the something is never addressed, the participant can't see a way forward and can't reason out what happened. Plus, in certain situations, there are some pretty nice things that you can do that have no something or other and the participant who may have had a theory has it instantly erased.

Alex - Yes, this is an English only effect, but the method can be applied to other languages. I just don't speak them and don't have the capacity to make those alterations where needed. If you are fortunate enough to be bilingual, then once you understand the method, I'd expect you to be able to make this work for your chosen language.

Blake - I am working to finish the book before I make any firm decisions on pricing. Right now, I'd expect the book to cost around £150 and be ready around the end of June. I haven't decided exactly how many copies will be made or how to release this. I may release all the books at once, or I may release them in waves over several years in a manner similar to the way the Grismer lock is sold.

For those who are interested, I've included an extract from the book:

'You now have in your hands the most closely guarded secret that I have to offer.

Imagine being on the phone with a potential client, and performing Train Tracking for them. Reading the mind of a person that you just met over a long distance and under impossible circumstances. I've booked shows using nothing but this method.

After reading this book, you will have the ability to ask someone to think of a word, and you'll be able to tell them what they were thinking of – with no props of any type involved, and, should you so choose, from a distance.

I've had several other performers tell me that this ability is their 'Holy Grail'.

What is perhaps the best thing about this method, is that it has an inherent versatility that lends itself to creativity and flexibility in presentation.

This will be evidenced in the text that follows.

But before we proceed, I'll give you a warning – There is work to be done here. I am evidence that it is thoroughly possible, and I can promise you that the reward is worth the labor. There is freedom that comes with the mastery of this method. It imbues you with a unique sense of confidence – you are comfortable in your own skin and never again shrink when confronted with the question: “You're a mind reader? What am I thinking of then?”'

I hope that helps to address some of the questions out there. Thanks to all for your interest and enthusiasm.

Best,

Atlas
Message: Posted by: magicman29 (Apr 22, 2014 12:53PM)
Your killing me Atlas! :)

Kieran
Message: Posted by: kinesis (Apr 22, 2014 01:06PM)
[quote]On Apr 22, 2014, magicman29 wrote:
Your killing me Atlas! :)

Kieran [/quote]

I agree! I have no doubt this is going to be BIG. I genuinely await it's arrival with baited breath.
Message: Posted by: insight (Apr 22, 2014 01:28PM)
Thank you for that info, Atlas. I am looking forward to this release of yours!

Regards,
Mike
Message: Posted by: psychomind (Apr 22, 2014 03:29PM)
Didn't expect the book to be £150. I may not be able to afford it but I know it will be worth the money. People who are going to buy it enjoy the book :) Although if I have enough money when the book comes out I myself will be buying the book lol
Message: Posted by: insight (Apr 28, 2014 12:18AM)
Hi Atlas,

What is the success rate of the original method? I understand there may be variations and outs, but if one uses your original method without the use of any outs, what is the probability that it will be a successful hit? Is it 100% or less? If less, what is that percentage? Thanks for sharing!

Regards,
Mike
Message: Posted by: seamagu (Apr 28, 2014 02:35AM)
Hey Mike,

From what I've seen of this it is 100%. I thought of the word hand and after a few moments Atlas held his palm towards me and asked me was I thinking of the word hand. Crazy stuff :-)


Sea
Message: Posted by: Atlas (Apr 28, 2014 06:24AM)
Hi Mike,

Thanks for the question. It is difficult topic to address because of the way Train Tracking is presented.

You are ALWAYS reading your participant's mind. There is a sort of inbuilt protocol in which it is pretty impossible to fail, and you are always doing something impressive.

However, as far as being able to tell your participant their original word - statistically speaking, you can be wrong, but you are nearly ALWAYS right, especially if you have learned the method and have practiced it to the point of mastery. And if you are going to be wrong, you know it, and can adjust your performance as required so that you never look as though you've failed - though, as I've said, it is pretty unlikely. Especially if you begin performing this following the development I've recommended in the book.

I've performed this countless times and could count on two hands the number of times I have been wrong - and each time you perform it and are wrong, you learn from the experience. In fact, last week, I was performing in Leeds with Tom Crosbie. Peter Turner came along to see my act and I used Train Tracking in the show. Pete said he loved the stage handling. In fact, when you perform this for the stage, there is absolutely no way you can fail, unless you are doing something horribly wrong.

After the show, a girl asked me to read her mind and I performed Train Tracking for her. I didn't realize this, but Tom (whose closing piece gave me goosebumps - it was fantastic) was watching over my shoulder and said afterwards something along the lines of 'That is what real mind reading should look like' - and that girl was one of the ten or so whose word I COULDN'T get. So, as I said, even when it doesn't work out the way you want it to, you are always performing something strong.

Anyway, it is a tough subject to address as your success is tied to your presentational choices as well, as part of this depends on how willing a performer is to stretch themselves. I was telling Pete the other day that I got a nine letter word - Fireplace - and that was a challenge, but I was up for it, happy with the risk, and wanted to see if I could do it. So word size is an element that needs to be considered in answering your question as well. As a performer, it is easy to keep your participant to shorter words, but you don't stretch yourself and you don't improve as a result. On the flip side, if you keep them to a reasonably sized word (seven letters or so - most words people think of are six letters long), you are pretty much always right. So, when considering your question, word length can also be a factor.

But if you are just starting out and you follow the advice in the book as regards learning the method and developing your performance, you're going to be right nearly all the time. It is usually only when you feel comfortable with Train Tracking and try to stretch yourself that you can miss the word.

I hope that helps!

Best,

Atlas
Message: Posted by: kinesis (Apr 28, 2014 06:58AM)
Thank you for the extra insight into Train Tracking Atlas. This just keeps getting better.
Message: Posted by: insight (Apr 28, 2014 01:06PM)
Thank you for that detailed answer. I agree, this just keeps getting better and better. I am excited about this release!

Regards,
Mike
Message: Posted by: Looch (Apr 30, 2014 09:59AM)
I sat and had dinner with Atlas last night. It was the first time we had met since he had recently moved to the same area I live. We chatted for hours and really hit it off before our topic of conversation even moved towards mentalism. Atlas made reference to this and gave me a performance of it...

He asked me to think of a word....I did

We went through a "Day dreaming" proccess where I was asked a series of random questions. He listened to my answers and after about 90 seconds blurted out my word 100% at the first guess...

My word was: Router


Utterly amazing principle Atlas has going on here and I for one cannot wait to finally read the finished book
Message: Posted by: NeilS (Apr 30, 2014 12:34PM)
Wow!

(I like being profound.)
Message: Posted by: Craig Logan (Apr 30, 2014 01:02PM)
[quote]On Apr 30, 2014, NeilS wrote:
Wow!

(I like being profound.) [/quote]

Sometimes "Wow" is more profound than a paragraph of ad copy. When it comes to this release, "wow" will suffice.

I wish I had enough cash-o-la to snag this one because this is... Wow.
Message: Posted by: CSK Sr (May 1, 2014 09:32AM)
(HA - my very first post!) I don't believe I have read about whether Train Tracking is repeatable. Can you do this again to another participant who has been watching, or would that tip the method?
Message: Posted by: Looch (May 1, 2014 09:40AM)
Yes, its repeatable
Message: Posted by: seamagu (May 1, 2014 10:38AM)
It sure is repeatable, Atlas performed train tracking on me twice in a row. Crazy stuff.....
Message: Posted by: Luccky (May 7, 2014 10:14AM)
It seems really great. Do you know when it will be released ?
Message: Posted by: yachanin (May 7, 2014 10:17AM)
Hi Luccky,

Atlas mentioned he was shooting for sometime in June :-)

Regards, Steve
Message: Posted by: insight (May 7, 2014 12:04PM)
I do hope that this is a limited edition release. Too good to be in too many hands!

Regards,
Mike
Message: Posted by: yachanin (May 7, 2014 12:11PM)
Hi insight,

I do believe Atlas plans this to be a limited release, although he did not indicate how many.

Regards, Steve
Message: Posted by: Luccky (May 8, 2014 03:35PM)
Thanks for your reply Steve. I've really enjoyed the other releases from atlas - particularly the prodigal. Hope I could get this one too.

Best,

Luccky
Message: Posted by: insight (May 8, 2014 06:04PM)
In my humble opinion, I think this will be the best thing to come out in 2014.

Regards,
Mike
Message: Posted by: Mark_Chandaue (May 8, 2014 06:10PM)
I think this will be the best thing to come out so far in the 21st century!

Mark
Message: Posted by: Art Vanderlay (May 10, 2014 10:03AM)
I have just had a Skype conversation with Atlas Brookings and cheekily asked him if he could perform Train Tracking on me.

Not only did Atlas guess the exact word I had in my mind, he also correctly divined other thoughts I had going through my mind too!

This has to be one of the best mentalism effects ever devised!

Billetless work has always interested me and something I have been working on for a while however this effect takes revealing thoughts to a whole new level. Not only can you correctly tell someone what word they are thinking of but so much more information too.

Atlas is such a tremendous guy and was a pleasure to talk to. He did keep pronouncing "Router" the American way however! ;) It's my language dude! Speak it correctly! hahaha

:rotf:

I have to say I am very excited about this release and will be one of the first to get my grubby little English hands on the book!

Very impressed and very pleased to have met such a nice guy.

Regards
Art
Message: Posted by: Jeff Wassom (May 10, 2014 07:22PM)
[quote]On May 10, 2014, Art Vanderlay wrote:
Atlas is such a tremendous guy and was a pleasure to talk to. He did keep pronouncing "Router" the American way however! ;) It's my language dude! Speak it correctly! hahaha [/quote]

If Atlas is from the Tacoma area it's a pacific northwest beer snob, coffee shop dialect. ;o)
Message: Posted by: BlakeAdams (May 10, 2014 09:33PM)
Any idea on a release date?
Message: Posted by: Harry the magic man (May 11, 2014 12:22AM)
He's from Tacoma! I am fromSspokane so Washington state has more than just now Super Bowl champs.
Best wishes,
Harry
P.s. This sounds amazing. Anything without billets intrigues me.
Message: Posted by: CSK Sr (May 12, 2014 08:14PM)
Atlas, since you have been inundated with requests on Skype for demonstrations of Train Tracking, would releasing a video demonstration for people to view be an acceptable substitute?

CSK Sr
Message: Posted by: Baguette (May 13, 2014 06:31AM)
Really excited!
Message: Posted by: CSArscott (May 13, 2014 06:38AM)
+1 for video demo

this sounds like real magic!
Message: Posted by: a brown 1968 (May 13, 2014 07:04AM)
To answer on behalf of Atlas

Like his last published book Crusade, I am fairly certain there will not be a demo .

Andrew
Message: Posted by: insight (May 13, 2014 09:06AM)
Is the lack of video due to method being easily determined? If so, I say no video.
Message: Posted by: Harry the magic man (May 13, 2014 09:48AM)
It's probably because some people will watch the video repeatedly until they get the slightest notion as to how the effect is done. Even if it were wrong they would be convinced that the way they think it is done is the way it is so they would not buy train tracking. Just my thoughts.
Best wishes,
Harry
Message: Posted by: kinesis (May 13, 2014 09:54AM)
Who needs a video, it's from Atlas Brookings...
Message: Posted by: Mark_Chandaue (May 13, 2014 09:58AM)
[quote]On May 13, 2014, kinesis wrote:
Who needs a video, it's from Atlas Brookings... [/quote]

This ....
Message: Posted by: John C (May 13, 2014 10:00AM)
COG provides a video.
Message: Posted by: Looch (May 13, 2014 10:11AM)
Let me say this...

As someone who is currently learning Train Tracking, if you were to watch a single performance of it over and over again, you would keep hitting a brick wall in regards to reverse engineering what’s going on. That’s because a single performance doesn’t take into account all the variables of what can occur in a performance. I absolutely love learning this...It’s NOT easy and will require some hard work and practise, which I’m very happy about, but for those who invest the time and effort into learning this technique and developing a presentation will find they have something in their tool box that really is something special.
Message: Posted by: insight (May 13, 2014 10:31AM)
In that case, perhaps a video demo will be released?

[quote]On May 13, 2014, looch wrote:
Let me say this...

As someone who is currently learning Train Tracking, if you were to watch a single performance of it over and over again, you would keep hitting a brick wall in regards to reverse engineering what’s going on. That’s because a single performance doesn’t take into account all the variables of what can occur in a performance. I absolutely love learning this...It’s NOT easy and will require some hard work and practise, which I’m very happy about, but for those who invest the time and effort into learning this technique and developing a presentation will find they have something in their tool box that really is something special. [/quote]
Message: Posted by: Mark_Chandaue (May 13, 2014 11:16AM)
As none of Atlas' other products have video demos I doubt this will have one particularly as this will sell out quickly without one.

Mark
Message: Posted by: Mark_Chandaue (May 13, 2014 11:21AM)
[quote]On May 13, 2014, John C wrote:
COG provides a video. [/quote]
COG didn't provide a video when it was a limited edition, the video appeared when COG went on general release if my memory serves me correctly.

Mark
Message: Posted by: insight (May 13, 2014 12:07PM)
Hi Looch,

When you say that "you would keep hitting a brick wall."----does that mean that a spectator of reasonable intelligence would be able to make some some (though not all) educated assumptions as to how the effect was being performed? It troubles me whenever a spectator is able to attribute the effect to something even if it is not the method. Thanks!

Regards,
Mike

[quote]On May 13, 2014, looch wrote:
Let me say this...

As someone who is currently learning Train Tracking, if you were to watch a single performance of it over and over again, you would keep hitting a brick wall in regards to reverse engineering what’s going on. That’s because a single performance doesn’t take into account all the variables of what can occur in a performance. I absolutely love learning this...It’s NOT easy and will require some hard work and practise, which I’m very happy about, but for those who invest the time and effort into learning this technique and developing a presentation will find they have something in their tool box that really is something special. [/quote]
Message: Posted by: Looch (May 13, 2014 12:15PM)
Hi Mike,

A Participant would usually only experience the one performance but if they were to follow you around for an evening and watch you repeat perform TT... The more they watched, the more they would be in awe of your abilities as a master of the mind. 😉
Message: Posted by: Johannes L. (May 13, 2014 02:11PM)
Would a performer see what is going on? Or does it fool performers as well?
Message: Posted by: Atlas (May 13, 2014 03:26PM)
[quote]On May 13, 2014, John Linden wrote:
Would a performer see what is going on? Or does it fool performers as well? [/quote]

Mark Elsdon loved it and demanded to see it again. Looch immediately asked for a repeat performance. Marc Oberon was no different, and asks me to do it nearly every time we meet.

It fools performers, though due to the qualities of the word chosen, some may have an inkling of what goes on.

Whether or not it is convincing also depends, as does nearly every other technique out there, on the work you put into it. If you haven't practised to the point that you can be fluent and convincing, of course it will be awful and may be transparent. The 'Novice Presentation' isn't quite as convincing as the 'Master Presentation', and there are reasons for that. Certain relationships confound any theory that anyone might have begun to form, and the fact that other stuff isn't addressed adds to it. I can see why you'd ask the questions guys - in your position, I'd ask the same things - and I'd like to answer them, but in order to address some of them, you'd have to know the method and so they must remain unanswered. I'd hope that my track record in the past would buy me some goodwill and flexibility from you.

But in addition to this, I've showed this over Skype to a lot of people. I've performed it in person to a lot of people. These aren't just my pals - in many cases, I'd never met them before, it would be a situation when I'd just been asked by someone I know to perform it for them. The reaction has always been positive, and lots of these people have posted their experience here.

I'm not going to post a video demo of Train Tracking. You've got lots of people who have seen it that can vouch for it.

Train Tracking also has tremendous versatility in its application, and that might be one reason why people are so excited for this release.

You can also use it to:

Draw a picture someone makes in their head
Reveal a portion of a person's train of thought over a given period of time
Reveal a childhood memory

Thanks to everyone who has been so supportive.

To the people who are eager to have their questions answered, let me say that I'm VERY sorry that I can't address your perfectly reasonable questions - I'm not in a position to answer in a direct manner because of the nature of the method. The best I can do is refer you to the posts of those who have experienced Train Tracking. I understand if that disappoints you and respect your right to feel that way.

I hope I've helped provide guidance in at least in some small way.

Best,

Atlas
Message: Posted by: Johannes L. (May 13, 2014 03:34PM)
Great answer Atlas. I would also love to experience Train Tracking as I've mentioned to you before but since you are busy I rather see you work on the release than satisfying my curiosity. :)

Keep up the good work!
Message: Posted by: insight (May 13, 2014 03:35PM)
Atlas, with your response, there is no way any person should be disappointed. You are an amazing creator (I know based on my past experience with your creations), and I certainly do not need to see a video to purchase Train Tracking. Moreover, your response was so courteous and sincere. I was already a huge fan of yours, but knowing that you are genuinely such a nice guy, only increases my loyalty to you. I fully support you in Train Tracking (and beyond)---all the best!

Regards,
Mike


[quote]On May 13, 2014, MagicAtlas wrote:
[quote]On May 13, 2014, John Linden wrote:
Would a performer see what is going on? Or does it fool performers as well? [/quote]

Mark Elsdon loved it and demanded to see it again. Looch immediately asked for a repeat performance. Marc Oberon was no different, and asks me to do it nearly every time we meet.

It fools performers, though due to the qualities of the word chosen, some may have an inkling of what goes on.

Whether or not it is convincing also depends, as does nearly every other technique out there, on the work you put into it. If you haven't practised to the point that you can be fluent and convincing, of course it will be awful and may be transparent. The 'Novice Presentation' isn't quite as convincing as the 'Master Presentation', and there are reasons for that. Certain relationships confound any theory that anyone might have begun to form, and the fact that other stuff isn't addressed adds to it. I can see why you'd ask the questions guys - in your position, I'd ask the same things - and I'd like to answer them, but in order to address some of them, you'd have to know the method and so they must remain unanswered. I'd hope that my track record in the past would buy me some goodwill and flexibility from you.

But in addition to this, I've showed this over Skype to a lot of people. I've performed it in person to a lot of people. These aren't just my pals - in many cases, I'd never met them before, it would be a situation when I'd just been asked by someone I know to perform it for them. The reaction has always been positive, and lots of these people have posted their experience here.

I'm not going to post a video demo of Train Tracking. You've got lots of people who have seen it that can vouch for it.

Train Tracking also has tremendous versatility in its application, and that might be one reason why people are so excited for this release.

You can also use it to:

Draw a picture someone makes in their head
Reveal a portion of a person's train of thought over a given period of time
Reveal a childhood memory

Thanks to everyone who has been so supportive.

To the people who are eager to have their questions answered, let me say that I'm VERY sorry that I can't address your perfectly reasonable questions - I'm not in a position to answer in a direct manner because of the nature of the method. The best I can do is refer you to the posts of those who have experienced Train Tracking. I understand if that disappoints you and respect your right to feel that way.

I hope I've helped provide guidance in at least in some small way.

Best,

Atlas [/quote]
Message: Posted by: CSArscott (May 13, 2014 05:57PM)
I feel I was too hasty asking for a video demo as I was not familier with Atlas's reputation, having seen the comments from Looch and others on this effect and Atlas's other releases I eagerly await the opportunity to perform this.
Message: Posted by: BlakeAdams (May 13, 2014 07:24PM)
Same here....i must have missed it but any update on a release date
Message: Posted by: psychomind (May 14, 2014 04:04AM)
Any Info on the exact price of the book Atlas?

If it is £150 then does that include shipping along with it?

Thanks
Message: Posted by: Atlas (May 14, 2014 04:51AM)
Hi guys,

Before I say anything else, let me say thanks for being so supportive and understanding. You really are a great bunch and I'm relieved that you were sympathetic to my perspective. I hate not answering questions or being nebulous, but I am sort of stuck on this one.

As far as the release date, I'm still shooting for the end of June. I'd like to release it in time for the Lecture on the 12th of July, so if you are in attendance, there wouldn't be an extra cost for shipping and I could hand deliver it. I expect that shipping would be around £5 extra for the UK and no more than £10 extra for anywhere else, though I haven't checked into it yet to be honest.

Best,

Atlas
Message: Posted by: psychomind (May 14, 2014 05:14AM)
[quote]On May 14, 2014, MagicAtlas wrote:
Hi guys,

Before I say anything else, let me say thanks for being so supportive and understanding. You really are a great bunch and I'm relieved that you were sympathetic to my perspective. I hate not answering questions or being nebulous, but I am sort of stuck on this one.

As far as the release date, I'm still shooting for the end of June. I'd like to release it in time for the Lecture on the 12th of July, so if you are in attendance, there wouldn't be an extra cost for shipping and I could hand deliver it. I expect that shipping would be around £5 extra for the UK and no more than £10 extra for anywhere else, though I haven't checked into it yet to be honest.

Best,

Atlas [/quote]
Atlas does that mean the book will be £150?
Message: Posted by: C.J. (May 14, 2014 06:35AM)
[quote]On May 14, 2014, psychomind wrote:
[quote]On May 14, 2014, MagicAtlas wrote:
Hi guys,

Before I say anything else, let me say thanks for being so supportive and understanding. You really are a great bunch and I'm relieved that you were sympathetic to my perspective. I hate not answering questions or being nebulous, but I am sort of stuck on this one.

As far as the release date, I'm still shooting for the end of June. I'd like to release it in time for the Lecture on the 12th of July, so if you are in attendance, there wouldn't be an extra cost for shipping and I could hand deliver it. I expect that shipping would be around £5 extra for the UK and no more than £10 extra for anywhere else, though I haven't checked into it yet to be honest.

Best,

Atlas [/quote]
Atlas does that mean the book will be £150? [/quote]

Atlas has never mentioned a price. All the relevant, confirmed information is in this thread. If it's not said in these 4 pages, then it isn't decided (or public) yet. There aren't any secret details being withheld as far as I know. Then again, maybe I'm just not a member of the secret cabal?! :kewl:
Message: Posted by: psychomind (May 14, 2014 06:43AM)
[quote]On May 14, 2014, C.J. wrote:
[quote]On May 14, 2014, psychomind wrote:
[quote]On May 14, 2014, MagicAtlas wrote:
Hi guys,

Before I say anything else, let me say thanks for being so supportive and understanding. You really are a great bunch and I'm relieved that you were sympathetic to my perspective. I hate not answering questions or being nebulous, but I am sort of stuck on this one.

As far as the release date, I'm still shooting for the end of June. I'd like to release it in time for the Lecture on the 12th of July, so if you are in attendance, there wouldn't be an extra cost for shipping and I could hand deliver it. I expect that shipping would be around £5 extra for the UK and no more than £10 extra for anywhere else, though I haven't checked into it yet to be honest.

Best,

Atlas [/quote]
Atlas does that mean the book will be £150? [/quote]

Atlas has never mentioned a price. All the relevant, confirmed information is in this thread. If it's not said in these 4 pages, then it isn't decided (or public) yet. There aren't any secret details being withheld as far as I know. Then again, maybe I'm just not a member of the secret cabal?! :kewl: [/quote]

Ya I know,but in his earlier post he did say that it will be around £150 so I thought the price wouyld be £150.
Message: Posted by: Johannes L. (May 14, 2014 12:20PM)
I assume all questions regarding the cost and copies will be answered due to the release. :)
Message: Posted by: kinesis (May 16, 2014 05:02PM)
This evening I got a call from Atlas. We chatted about stuff. Atlas went above and beyond in helping me with a routine. He is a true gentleman and I am very greatful for his ideas and advice.

Well of course, Train Tracking came up in conversation. Part of me wanted to experience this phenomenon and part of me didn't want to hassle the poor guy after he had already been so generous with his time. I couldn't resist though and Atlas was kind enough to oblige with a demonstation (or two) of Train Tracking.

Guys, I thought of the word 'wallet'. He nailed it and I giggled like a schoolboy. I laughed out loud as I experienced my brain go into melt-down. During the process he also described many of my other thoughts some of which were very fleeting including a childhood memory. He was 100% on the mark everytime. I've been performing for over 30 years and I cannot remember the last time I felt like this. I was blown away, completely and utterly destroyed. So, YES it really does fool performers.

We had a great chat about how Train Tracking evolved and we discussed the almost limitless possibilities for this concept. Atlas is an easy guy to talk to, before we knew it we'd been on the phone for a considerable length of time.

So thank you Atlas for your help and advice and ideas and for allowing me to experience Train Tracking! I look forward to seeing you in July.

Derek
Message: Posted by: Garbo (May 17, 2014 11:16AM)
Met Atlas yesterday, not only is he a top class guy, train tracking is amazing!!!!
Message: Posted by: Ben Blau (May 17, 2014 02:26PM)
Really, really excited about this one...
Message: Posted by: ZachDavenport (May 17, 2014 02:54PM)
Is there a video of this I could watch. It sounds great, but I like to see it to make sure I understand the trick before I buy. A link would be appreciated. From your descriptions it sounds like they think of a random word, then you talk for a minute, and then you tell them the word. Is this correct? because this is powerful stuff, and could even be used to learn my enemies secrets if I make them think of something I want to know! :evilgrin:
thanks,
Zach
Message: Posted by: psychomind (May 17, 2014 02:57PM)
[quote]On May 17, 2014, ZachDavenport wrote:
Is there a video of this I could watch. It sounds great, but I like to see it to make sure I understand the trick before I buy. A link would be appreciated. From your descriptions it sounds like they think of a random word, then you talk for a minute, and then you tell them the word. Is this correct? because this is powerful stuff, and could even be used to learn my enemies secrets if I make them think of something I want to know! :evilgrin:
thanks,
Zach [/quote]

How long have you been doing mentalism for?
Message: Posted by: ZachDavenport (May 17, 2014 03:11PM)
I have not been doing it long, so I will read the classics first. I assume that means this is difficult, but it sounds like it is worth the practice.
Message: Posted by: psychomind (May 17, 2014 04:32PM)
[quote]On May 17, 2014, ZachDavenport wrote:
I have not been doing it long, so I will read the classics first. I assume that means this is difficult, but it sounds like it is worth the practice. [/quote]

Ya, you should read the classics first.
Message: Posted by: JanForster (May 17, 2014 05:36PM)
:rolleyes:
Message: Posted by: kinesis (May 17, 2014 06:08PM)
:rotf: Yes, this will require a reasonable amount of dedication and dicipline I believe. But worth EVERY second!!!
Message: Posted by: C.J. (May 19, 2014 08:30AM)
Well.... Wow.

I just spent an hour with Atlas as he ran me through Train Tracking multiple times and demonstrated the various ways it could be directed and the different outcomes that can be hung on it. The basic description that's been given so far ("Think of a word, chat with me, and I'll tell you what the word was") is a bit simplistic. Train Tracking is much more, and if you choose to do so, can culminate in a series of quick-fire reveals that pull apart the layers of your spectator's thought process faster than they can say "Ogres are like onions"!

Atlas asked me not to share too much, which was a reasonable request, so I'll keep it simple. My description of Train Tracking would be: Find the passenger, pick them up, and take them wherever your heart desires. Not only can you drop them off at a mindblowing station, you can also name every other station that they've passed through on their journey.

Regarding the method, Atlas said to me, "Once I know where they are, I can put them wherever I want them". That, to me, sums up the brilliance of this. As Kinesis said, Atlas can use the same method to reveal my thought of word, or to catch fleeting glimpses of my childhood memories. He can do it as a drawing duplication. He can do it in person or over the phone. He can do it for one participant, or three at a time. He can do it as a feat of influence or a feat of mindreading. It's THAT big.

This is not a complicated concept, but at the same time it *is* an intricate device and purchasers should recognise that this will require a reasonably strong mind, a degree of effort to learn, and some dedicated practice. But having said that, it is amazing fun, and the potential impacts are vast. This is not just a trick, it's a scaffolding which you can build as high as you like, and on which you can hang just about any embellishment or decoration your heart desires. Put in the effort, and Train Tracking will serve you well.
Message: Posted by: Luccky (May 19, 2014 08:43AM)
It sounds amazing ! I can't wait !
Message: Posted by: CSArscott (May 19, 2014 09:12AM)
This is sounding more impressive every day, with another month before its released how much better can it get.

This seems like a must have technique what ever it costs!
Message: Posted by: Kincaid (May 20, 2014 03:54AM)
Amazing, looking forward for this release.
I hope I can develop this technique to my language.
Message: Posted by: Looch (May 20, 2014 04:49AM)
Kincaid - TT has been developed for the English language, it may be possible to develop a different language version but its not a task I would in ANY way like to take on!!!
Message: Posted by: Gourmet (May 20, 2014 08:12AM)
[quote]On May 20, 2014, looch wrote:
Kincaid - TT has been developed for the English language, it may be possible to develop a different language version but its not a task I would in ANY way like to take on!!! [/quote]


now this is quite a discouraging post, because I planned to purchase this and to adapt it for me to the german language.

don't you think it is achievable?
my English is not that bad. :)
Message: Posted by: Kincaid (May 20, 2014 09:56AM)
Thanks for the information Looch.
As gourmet said above, yes, it's a little discouraging. I planned to adapt it for the portuguese language.
However I'm still intrigued by the methodology behind and the possibilities.
Message: Posted by: Mark_Chandaue (May 20, 2014 10:02AM)
It is definitely possible to adapt this to any language once you understand how it works but I would not expect it to be an easy task.

Mark
Message: Posted by: Gourmet (May 20, 2014 10:17AM)
Maybe the "foreign" purchasers could connect in some way to help each other with the task of the adaption in the specific language?

I think a purchasers forum could cope with that issue.
Message: Posted by: C.J. (May 20, 2014 03:23PM)
I specifically asked Atlas this language question when I spoke to him, and asked what his "official" answer was. He thinks it would be a simple matter to break it all down, but let's not forget that it was *his* brain that conceived The Riddle, so what is easy for him will not be easy for others. I know that if I was really determined and dedicated, I would be able to translate Train Tracking, but to be honest, right now I see it as quite a daunting task. But, if the book contains a lot of the history and development of the effect, like Atlas described to me on Skype, then it will lay out a step-by-step process that will guide you in putting it into your native language. Just be aware that it will take considerable time.

This is not one of those "Brain Fart" ideas that gets typed up into an e-book in an afternoon and then sold before it's been road-tested. Train Tracking has been in development for 6 years, and has been performed to good reaction in the real world. It deserves the high price tag that may be attached purely on account of the amount of work that has gone into it. But let the buyer beware that it will cost you more than just money - if you truly want to use this, it will cost you time and effort to learn and practice. I anticipate a high proportion of buyers will buy this for the secret, and then never put in the time to actually start performing it. And that's their loss. :)
Message: Posted by: bond19 (May 20, 2014 03:56PM)
With all the talk of 'work involved' could this be clarified? I'm not asking for specifics or to unfairly fish for methods. Its just some things such as maths & spelling I find really difficult. I'm just not wired that way. Does this rule me out? PM are welcome

Muchos gracias
Message: Posted by: Harry the magic man (May 20, 2014 04:17PM)
I am also curious about the work put in. Is it experience or memory of a complex set of things. I guess what I'm asking is can you jazz with it. I as well am not fishing just curious if I have the time to put into it.
Best wishes,
Harry
Message: Posted by: Gumar Oz DuBar (May 20, 2014 04:33PM)
[quote]On May 20, 2014, bond19 wrote:
With all the talk of 'work involved' could this be clarified? I'm not asking for specifics or to [b]unfairly fish for methods[/b]. Its just some things such as maths & spelling I find really difficult. I'm just not wired that way. Does this rule me out? PM are welcome

Muchos gracias [/quote]

Is there a way to fairly fish for methods? Not being a d***, I just don't understand the grammar of your reasoning for asking the question (although I understand your question and the reason you put forth, I simply don't share your grammar).



Also, CJ, I noticed that you happened to use the word ebook, and since you happen to know more than the rest of us waiting for the release, do you if it will be released in a physical form? (I ask this question almost every time something gets released, but I have an odd aversion to ebooks (generally). I much prefer physical copies.)


Very much looking forward to the release of this!
Message: Posted by: Gumar Oz DuBar (May 20, 2014 05:19PM)
[quote]On May 20, 2014, Gumar Oz DuBar wrote:
[quote]On May 20, 2014, bond19 wrote:
With all the talk of 'work involved' could this be clarified? I'm not asking for specifics or to [b]unfairly fish for methods[/b]. Its just some things such as maths & spelling I find really difficult. I'm just not wired that way. Does this rule me out? PM are welcome

Muchos gracias [/quote]

Is there a way to fairly fish for methods? Not being a d***, I just don't understand the grammar of your reasoning for asking the question (although I understand your question and the reason you put forth, I simply don't share your grammar).



Also, CJ, I noticed that you happened to use the word ebook, and since you happen to know more than the rest of us waiting for the release, do you happen know if it will be released in a physical form? (I ask this question almost every time something gets released, but I have an odd aversion to ebooks (generally). I much prefer physical copies.)


Very much looking forward to the release of this! [/quote]

And I genuinely wanted to know if there was a way to fairly fish. I should've mentioned that as well, to lessen me coming off as a d***.
Message: Posted by: Mark_Chandaue (May 20, 2014 05:38PM)
I'm not sure if you could detail the work involved in translating this to other languages without discussing the method or to be honest without being fluent in the language it is being translated to. I'm sure some languages would be easier than others to translate.

I get the idea, reading between the lines, that this is to be a physical book. I would certainly urge Atlas not to release it as an ebook but then Atlas is a pretty clever guy (understatement of the century) and so I'm sure he has already concluded that limited editions remain limited for far longer in physical form.

Mark
Message: Posted by: Gumar Oz DuBar (May 20, 2014 06:03PM)
[quote]On May 20, 2014, Mark_Chandaue wrote:
I'm not sure if you could detail the work involved in translating this to other languages without discussing the method or to be honest without being fluent in the language it is being translated to. I'm sure some languages would be easier than others to translate.

[b]I get the idea, reading between the lines, that this is to be a physical book. I would certainly urge Atlas not to release it as an ebook but then Atlas is a pretty clever guy (understatement of the century) and so I'm sure he has already concluded that limited editions remain limited for far longer in physical form.[/b]

Mark [/quote]

This was my original impression as well, I was a little shocked to read 'ebook', but either way I'd very much like to get this. My want for this material strongly outweighs my prejudice against the ebook format. Also, as you stated, the exclusivity will be better maintained with physical copies.
Message: Posted by: Atlas (May 20, 2014 06:47PM)
Hi guys - first let me thank you for your interest and to CJ and Derek and Looch and Mark for their posts (and anyone else that I might have missed). When I was chatting to Derek the other day and his response was so phenomenal, I really regretted that I haven't personally experienced Train Tracking, and so can never know what it feels like. So your posts put a smile on my face.

Anyway, to address some of the questions here - I believe that Train Tracking can be adopted to most languages, and the process shouldn't be that difficult. Refinement of the process is what will count and that will take time and will come through performance. Like me, you'll have to go back to the drawing board once or twice, but as Gourmet mentioned earlier on here, a group effort by speakers of a specific language would be a great resource and would greatly reduce the time spent on making Train Tracking work in a chosen language.


And Chris, as to the work involved - I want to emphasize that if you take the advice that I give you in the book, and follow the steps I outline, it shouldn't be too much for anyone. There is no math involved, but some memory work is required - unless you are doing this over the phone.

Now, before you let that deter you, let me ask you this:

How many times have you driven down the road, singing along with music from the radio? Word for word.

Or how many movie scenes do you know by heart?

Or how many jokes can you tell?

That's all memory work, and in many cases, the above are more demanding than Train Tracking is.

But again, if you aren't yet ready to perform this in person, you can always perform it over the phone with the book open.

One way to look at it as though you are learning a few different effects - each of which gets a great reaction - which when you then combine into a bigger one, it is something that you begin to enjoy and actually look forward to. Looch and I went to dinner the other night, and he was SO close to getting my word. And he knew he was. And then he looked across at me and said something like 'Right, I've got to finish this thing now' - because when you are at that point, you can see how close you are to the goal and how strong what you are doing can be.

And yes, Train Tracking allows you to Jazz your performances.

Oh - and yes, it will released as a hardback book, not an eBook.

Best,

Atlas
Message: Posted by: CSK Sr (May 20, 2014 09:14PM)
Just when I think it is not possible to generate more hype and interest in Train Tracking, Atlas posts another description of it and raises the anticipation even more!

CSK Sr.
Message: Posted by: C.J. (May 21, 2014 02:27AM)
Sorry if I threw everyone by using the word 'ebook'. I was trying to draw a distinction between the amount of effort I can see Atlas has put into Train Tracking, and the apparent lack of author interest that I've seen in some one-trick ebooks. I did not mean to imply that TT would be in ebook format. Certainly, in this age of internet piracy, anyone selling a valuable concept like this would be foolish to put it in PDF format.
Message: Posted by: bond19 (May 21, 2014 04:11AM)
Thanks Atlas for replying, and that's just what I was hoping to hear. I look forward to sharing your company and your creative mind at Newcastle.

Until then take good care.
Chris
Message: Posted by: Atlas (May 21, 2014 05:47AM)
[quote]On May 21, 2014, C.J. wrote:
I did not mean to imply that TT would be in ebook format. Certainly, in this age of internet piracy, anyone selling a valuable concept like this would be foolish to put it in PDF format. [/quote]

I am looking into something that I'd like feedback on. I'm considering having the book printed in an Ultraviolet ink, so that all the pages are essentially blank and can't be read without a UV light, which would be provided with every copy. This would prevent the book from being scanned, but I don't know that I'd personally enjoy reading a book that was printed in this format.

What do you guys think?

Best,

Atlas
Message: Posted by: CSArscott (May 21, 2014 05:53AM)
Novel concept very mystical, never heard of that idea before!

Two questions;

How many pages would we be looking at?

Easily replaceable standard UV bulb?
Message: Posted by: Gourmet (May 21, 2014 06:01AM)
Very good idea to protect this book ftom being scanned / photocopied.

but the downside is, that at least for me, a book printed in this fashion would be ( very?) annoying to read.
Message: Posted by: seamagu (May 21, 2014 06:02AM)
My first thought was: Do it atlas

I think this would set an excellent precedent

However, prolonged exposure to UV lamps is not good though. But there may be other options

I'll mail them to you

Regards,

Sea
Message: Posted by: Gumar Oz DuBar (May 21, 2014 06:10AM)
[quote]On May 21, 2014, Gourmet wrote:

but the downside is, that at least for me, a book printed in this fashion would be ( very?) annoying to read. [/quote]

My thoughts precisely. Unless I'm wrong in understanding how this is going to work.

If this is going to be a limited release (which it most probably should be be) couldn't you put hidden marks in the books in different places, each mark representing a specific book? This wouldn't be as effective as making every page blank without a special light, but if someone were to try to upload it, then you would be able to tell who based off the mark. Then again, this is much much more laborious and I don't know how practical.
Message: Posted by: jaizon (May 21, 2014 06:10AM)
Atlas,
It is an interesting idea, but in this age of internet piracy I'm not convinced
it would achieve the result you desire. Would it make it more difficult to copy...without a doubt. Would
it make it impossible? I don't think so. For example, some industrious pirate could simply buy
an original and type it out as a PDF and then sell copies of that. UV ink would make it quite a bit harder to read for the
real buyers. Does it matter to me? Not really. I will get it
when it comes out, even if it's printed in Morse code. ;) I'm very much looking forward to it.

Preston
Message: Posted by: Mark_Chandaue (May 21, 2014 06:16AM)
I think the idea is good but I'm not sure how practical or comfortable it would be to read it by uv light. With a limited edition my protection would be to be very choosy about who I sell it to. That said I guess finding 150 people that you trust completely would be a major challenge. I must admit that the logic of copying this and spreading it defies me. To me it would be akin to letting all and sundry have a ride on your wife, or worse still someone you actually love!!

(Edit: I hasten to add that from my experience of Atlas he is very much in love with his wife, we are not all quite so lucky lol).

Mark
Message: Posted by: MatCult (May 21, 2014 06:31AM)
I think you should have the text of the book tatooed in small reversed script on the back of each purchaser and provide them with a series of specially-made magnifying mirrors they can rig up in their home in order to view their own back and read the manuscript.

This will prevent both piracy and re-sell profiteering.
Message: Posted by: Gumar Oz DuBar (May 21, 2014 06:38AM)
[quote]On May 21, 2014, MatCult wrote:
I think you should have the text of the book tatooed in small reversed script on the back of each purchaser and provide them with a series of specially-made magnifying mirrors they can rig up in their home in order to view their own back and read the manuscript.

This will prevent both piracy and re-sell profiteering. [/quote]

The first thing I thought was 'selfies'. (Much to my dismay)


If it's set at a high enough price, I think that may weed out pirates from the legit ones. Who wants to give away something for free that they spent tons of money on? (Not what a lot of people want to hear, but face it, this type of concept/effect was gonna be expensive regardless, or at least it should be!)
Message: Posted by: NeilS (May 21, 2014 07:00AM)
Al Mann published some of his releases on dark red paper and which, I should imagine, would have made photocopying (and scanning, even though it was not available then) difficult. However the colour of the paper did not make the contents an easy read and also required good light. Also, while a novel idea, to have a book published so that it could only be read in UV light would be off-putting.

To prevent copying, could certain pages be given identifying marks?

Like so many, can't wait to buy a ticket so can go Train Tracking.

Neil
Message: Posted by: CSK Sr (May 21, 2014 07:33AM)
I think Ultraviolet ink would merely slow down the determined pirate in his copying the text. I do think it is a good idea to make identifying marks coupled with the promise of vigorous prosecution of copyright infringement.

CSK Sr
Message: Posted by: Gumar Oz DuBar (May 21, 2014 07:54AM)
[quote]On May 21, 2014, NeilS wrote:
To prevent copying, could certain pages be given identifying marks?

Like so many, can't wait to buy a ticket so can go Train Tracking.

Neil [/quote]

I suggested that too! Great minds? You wouldn't happen to be from NYC also, now would you?

[quote]On May 21, 2014, Gumar Oz DuBar wrote:

If this is going to be a limited release (which it most probably should be be) [b]couldn't you put hidden marks in the books in different places, each mark representing a specific book[/b]? This wouldn't be as effective as making every page blank without a special light, but if someone were to try to upload it, then you would be able to tell who based off the mark. Then again, this is much much more laborious and I don't know how practical. [/quote]
Message: Posted by: Garbo (May 21, 2014 08:01AM)
Found this - may be of use? (may not....)

http://www.tightwadmarketing.com/copying.htm

Must be a type of paper/ink that is easy enough to read but yet does not allow photo copying....?

Dave. (the domino king)
Message: Posted by: Atlas (May 21, 2014 08:04AM)
Thanks for all the suggestions guys! I think an industrious thief would probably find a way forward regardless of what type of ink or paper it was printed on. The best thing to do is to encourage people to respect our art form and place importance on the secrets that we keep.

Best,

Atlas
Message: Posted by: Mark_Chandaue (May 21, 2014 08:37AM)
Yes and don't sell it to anyone who offers you a ride on his wife :)

Mark
Message: Posted by: MrThomas (May 21, 2014 08:52AM)
What about the use of the EURion constellation on every page of the book? "The EURion constellation is a pattern of symbols incorporated into a number of banknote designs worldwide since about 1996. It is added to help imaging software detect the presence of a banknote in a digital image. Such software can then block the user from reproducing banknotes to prevent counterfeiting using colour photocopiers." (source: Wikipedia.org)
This might not be the soulution but a helpful adition to hidden identifying marks.

Best, Hans
Message: Posted by: CSArscott (May 21, 2014 09:14AM)
Interesting idea, may not stop all copying/scanning though. EUR is used for copiers, Imaging software uses other techniques as well.

http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/~sjm217/projects/currency/
Message: Posted by: seamagu (May 21, 2014 10:38AM)
What about flooding the pirate sites with rubbish versions of train tracking, not sure how you would do this though
Message: Posted by: ZachDavenport (May 21, 2014 02:11PM)
Does this work every single time, or does it just give you an educated guess of what they are thinking.
Message: Posted by: bond19 (May 21, 2014 02:56PM)
Today I Skyped with Atlas, and on top of being a warm and laid back fella, I was left with one of the best experiences of my life. Of course this was after witnessing live the much discussed Train Tracking.

Lets get to the meat and potatoes. Atlas asked me to think of a word (really, any word in the English language). After a short interaction he asked if I was thinking of the word 'Magpie'. He was correct and I was left genuinely stunned. Then he accurately told me what various words, images and memories I had thought of during our conversation.

I perform professionally and consume lots of first rate material. But sadly I rarely get the opportunity to experience mind reading with me being the participant. I was lucky to watch Derren Brown live last week and even got to be on stage with him (and it was brilliant of course). However after being Train Tracked, it was the first time in my life it genuinely felt like someone else was inside my head. In fact once Atlas told me the word I was thinking and all the other stuff, I felt a little disorientated as my mind was spinning with shock after the revelation. I know this may read as hyperbole, but I'm attempting to convey how it made me feel.

And Atlas was generous enough to discuss with me the bare bones which makes Train Tracking possible. This enabled us to discuss in detail the learning required to master this. The reassuring realisation is that Train Tracking is nowhere near as daunting as I had first anticipated and is clearly within reach of most people (providing they are prepared to spend time practicing it). And to echo others, now I have experienced Train Tracking I fully understand how it's a tool to many creative pathways and not just a single routine. I was never on the fence about this (Atlas has never in my opinion released a weak product) but after today I cannot wait to purchase and being learning this.

So Atlas, thank you from the bottom of my heart for such a wonderful experience and leaving me for the first time in a long time, truly astonished.

p.s I haven't even mentioned the bonus Atlas is planning for Train Tracking. It's a journey your participant takes in their mind and is quite beautiful. That's all I have to add.

Thanks again
Message: Posted by: bond19 (May 21, 2014 02:58PM)
[quote]On May 21, 2014, ZachDavenport wrote:
Does this work every single time, or does it just give you an educated guess of what they are thinking. [/quote]

I discussed this today with Atlas. As unreal as it sounds it works every time.
Message: Posted by: bond19 (May 21, 2014 03:03PM)
Just to add to my post above.

Before we started Train Tracking, I was expecting in order for this to work, Atlas was somehow going to have to restrict me in some way or box off my choices in a subtle way. He never did. We simply went throughout the process and he then told me what I was thinking.
Message: Posted by: ZachDavenport (May 21, 2014 03:03PM)
[quote]On May 21, 2014, bond19 wrote:
[quote]On May 21, 2014, ZachDavenport wrote:
Does this work every single time, or does it just give you an educated guess of what they are thinking. [/quote]

I discussed this today with Atlas. As unreal as it sounds it works every time. [/quote]
This is bordering on creepy! I could use that in every day life. Couldn't the police use this as a interrogation technique?
Message: Posted by: bond19 (May 21, 2014 03:06PM)
[quote]On May 21, 2014, ZachDavenport wrote:
[quote]On May 21, 2014, bond19 wrote:
[quote]On May 21, 2014, ZachDavenport wrote:
Does this work every single time, or does it just give you an educated guess of what they are thinking. [/quote]

I discussed this today with Atlas. As unreal as it sounds it works every time. [/quote]
This is bordering on creepy! I could use that in every day life. Couldn't the police use this as a interrogation technique? [/quote]

No, because you and the participant both have to WILLINGLY go though a process in order for this to work. If they don't want to participate this simply won't work.
Message: Posted by: ZachDavenport (May 21, 2014 03:08PM)
[quote]On May 21, 2014, bond19 wrote:
[quote]On May 21, 2014, ZachDavenport wrote:
[quote]On May 21, 2014, bond19 wrote:
[quote]On May 21, 2014, ZachDavenport wrote:
Does this work every single time, or does it just give you an educated guess of what they are thinking. [/quote]

I discussed this today with Atlas. As unreal as it sounds it works every time. [/quote]
This is bordering on creepy! I could use that in every day life. Couldn't the police use this as a interrogation technique? [/quote]

No, because you and the participant both have to WILLINGLY go though a process in order for this to work. If they don't want to participate this simply won't work. [/quote]
Darn it!
Message: Posted by: insight (May 21, 2014 03:43PM)
How many times can this be repeated without arousing suspicion or worse exposure? Thanks!
Message: Posted by: MrThomas (May 21, 2014 03:48PM)
Hi Train Trackers,
after reading bond19's description of what it is like to experience Train Tracking I must say:
TT seems to be out of my reach in terms of finance as well as in terms of experience. I mean for now, there are a bunch of other skills as a mentalist to be learned til perfection.
But reading all along this topic made me excited like a child before Christmas and I would love to be a participant. Whoever wants can perfom Train Tracking on me! Just for the joy of the experience as a spectator and hopefully for your practise. To be absolutly clear: I am not interested in the method! I'm interested in the experience.
So if anybody is happy to perform Train Tracking with me, now or in the futur, send me a pm and we get in contact (over skype).

kind regards
Hans
Message: Posted by: Mark_Chandaue (May 21, 2014 05:52PM)
[quote]On May 21, 2014, bond19 wrote:
[quote]On May 21, 2014, ZachDavenport wrote:
Does this work every single time, or does it just give you an educated guess of what they are thinking. [/quote]

I discussed this today with Atlas. As unreal as it sounds it works every time. [/quote]

I would say that Atlas has mastered this to the point that he is pretty much never wrong but to say that it works every time would be inaccurate. I think Atlas has already posted in this thread about how this is not 100% although with practice you can probably get this 99.9% sure fire and whilst there is a small percentage chance that you may not hit on the word you can still hit on their thought processes. I would say that it gives you a highly educated idea of their word often to the point of complete certainty. Atlas hits on some very obscure words, in fact I'm certain Atlas would hit on the word obscure however to imply that this is 100% sure fire guaranteed to hit would be to misrepresent it. However the method itself is capable of devining any and every word in any language.

The limiting factor is not the method but rather the amount of effort you are willing to put into understanding and applying the principles, your own grasp of your chosen language and the size of your own vocabulary.

Mark
Message: Posted by: dmoses (May 22, 2014 12:38AM)
I say this not to take away anything from atlas's work on this effect ( about which I know nothing more than has been posted here) but it does remind me of a certain Lee Earle word test.

D
Message: Posted by: Atlas (May 22, 2014 04:32AM)
[quote]On May 21, 2014, bond19 wrote:

p.s I haven't even mentioned the bonus Atlas is planning for Train Tracking. It's a journey your participant takes in their mind and is quite beautiful. That's all I have to add.

Thanks again [/quote]

Thanks Chris, for taking the time to chat to me - I enjoyed it immensely and I'm glad that you did too. My friend Steve Haresign recently performed a variation on the Bonus Effect in Train Tracking and has graciously allowed me to share the video of that performance. You'll note that it isn't exactly the same thing that I outlined to you, which is to be expected as it is Steve's take on the effect, but all the important parts are there.

Anyway, the link to the video is here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gjmKREdoTVY&feature=youtu.be

Best,

Atlas
Message: Posted by: CSArscott (May 22, 2014 06:24AM)
The bonus effect video is very impressive, even with the benefit of multiple rewinds.
Message: Posted by: swamister (May 22, 2014 06:35AM)
[quote]On May 22, 2014, CSArscott wrote:
The bonus effect video is very impressive, even with the benefit of multiple rewinds. [/quote]

...and that's why I would hope Atlas doesn't release any footage of him doing his main thing...people (not saying you) but some do try to reverse engineer other people's work just because they have that benefit...
Message: Posted by: NeilS (May 22, 2014 06:37AM)
Not having been Train Tracked, it was wonderful to see what is possible. Thanks for making this video available - and what an enjoyable presentation.
Message: Posted by: CSArscott (May 22, 2014 06:47AM)
[quote]On May 22, 2014, swamister wrote:
[quote]On May 22, 2014, CSArscott wrote:
The bonus effect video is very impressive, even with the benefit of multiple rewinds. [/quote]

...and that's why I would hope Atlas doesn't release any footage of him doing his main thing...people (not saying you) but some do try to reverse engineer other people's work just because they have that benefit... [/quote]

Just curious to see how secure the method is, I have a couple of Atlas books already happy to pay for the techniques I use what ever it costs.
Message: Posted by: jaizon (May 22, 2014 07:45AM)
Atlas, are you taking pre-orders or keeping a list?

Preston
Message: Posted by: CSK Sr (May 22, 2014 07:52AM)
[quote]On May 22, 2014, jaizon wrote:
Atlas, are you taking pre-orders or keeping a list?

Preston [/quote]

Yes, very good question.
Message: Posted by: ♠Sylar♠ (May 22, 2014 09:17AM)
[quote]On May 22, 2014, jaizon wrote:
Atlas, are you taking pre-orders or keeping a list?

Preston [/quote]


I wanted to ask the same thing, can we pay a deposit or something to secure a copy?

Sylar
Message: Posted by: Rolyan (May 22, 2014 12:12PM)
[quote]On May 22, 2014, NeilS wrote:
Not having been Train Tracked, it was wonderful to see what is possible. Thanks for making this video available - and what an enjoyable presentation. [/quote]
But that video isn't Train Tracking. It's a nice performance piece and the timing is excellent, but it's a standard effect and a method that has been around a long time (unless I'm completely mistaken, which I don't think I am).

Don't get me wrong, it's great to watch and will always get great reactions, but it's not TT and it's not new. I realise that I will now be banned as a heretic, which is a shame as I own, use and respect Atlas' work.
Message: Posted by: insight (May 22, 2014 12:26PM)
I could be wrong, but I thought Atlas mentioned in his previous post that this bonus is a variation of Train Tracking. Atlas, can you confirm? Thanks!

Regards,
Mike

[quote]On May 22, 2014, Rolyan wrote:
[quote]On May 22, 2014, NeilS wrote:
Not having been Train Tracked, it was wonderful to see what is possible. Thanks for making this video available - and what an enjoyable presentation. [/quote]
But that video isn't Train Tracking. It's a nice performance piece and the timing is excellent, but it's a standard effect and a method that has been around a long time (unless I'm completely mistaken, which I don't think I am).

Don't get me wrong, it's great to watch and will always get great reactions, but it's not TT and it's not new. I realise that I will now be banned as a heretic, which is a shame as I own, use and respect Atlas' work. [/quote]
Message: Posted by: CSK Sr (May 22, 2014 12:27PM)
[quote]On May 22, 2014, MagicAtlas wrote:

My friend Steve Haresign recently performed a variation on the Bonus Effect in Train Tracking and has graciously allowed me to share the video of that performance.[/quote]

Rolyan, if I understand Atas' post correctly, the video is not of Train Tracking itself, but of the Bonus Effect that comes with it.

CSK Sr
Message: Posted by: Gumar Oz DuBar (May 22, 2014 12:33PM)
Fantastic video indeed. Very enjoyable! My anticipation for TT is through the roof! Quite kind of Atlas to include a Bonus Effect.
Message: Posted by: Mark_Chandaue (May 22, 2014 12:37PM)
The bonus effect is one of Atlas' pet routines and would easily be worth purchasing in its own right.

Mark
Message: Posted by: Rolyan (May 22, 2014 01:06PM)
[quote]On May 22, 2014, CSK Sr wrote:
[quote]On May 22, 2014, MagicAtlas wrote:

My friend Steve Haresign recently performed a variation on the Bonus Effect in Train Tracking and has graciously allowed me to share the video of that performance.[/quote]

Rolyan, if I understand Atas' post correctly, the video is not of Train Tracking itself, but of the Bonus Effect that comes with it.

CSK Sr [/quote]
I was under the impression from NeilS that he believed that the video reflected what is possible with Train Tracking. I was saying that the effect and method on the video is not new and can be performed now without any knowledge of Train Tracking, Atlas or any just released effect.

I'm looking forward to the release of Train Tracking as much as anyone, as I have spent my entire career studying everything I could get my hands on. But if I'm being honest, the effect and method in that video are not new and are not really connected to Train Tracking, even as a 'bonus effect'.
Message: Posted by: BMWGuy (May 22, 2014 01:30PM)
Hey guys,

I think you can combine the effect from the video with Train Tracking, why not.

For example: you take out the postcard, date stamped, with all the information that your participant told you on stage, but they never told you their word, they kept it silent the whole time, and it shows up on the postcard as well, their thought of word. I think that would be possible.

so, I think this video can be linked in a way to train tracking, because it can be its own separate thing, but you can also tie it together to train tracking to produce 2 effects in 1, not only do you predict a destination, drink, etc etc, but you also predicted their thought of word that they never told you.

Just my thoughts.

Thanks

Alex Alejandro
Message: Posted by: sandsjr (May 22, 2014 03:21PM)
[quote]On May 22, 2014, BMWGuy wrote:
Hey guys,

I think you can combine the effect from the video with Train Tracking, why not.

For example: you take out the postcard, date stamped, with all the information that your participant told you on stage, but they never told you their word, they kept it silent the whole time, and it shows up on the postcard as well, their thought of word. I think that would be possible.

so, I think this video can be linked in a way to train tracking, because it can be its own separate thing, but you can also tie it together to train tracking to produce 2 effects in 1, not only do you predict a destination, drink, etc etc, but you also predicted their thought of word that they never told you.

Just my thoughts.

Thanks

Alex Alejandro [/quote]


Exactly what my thinking was.
Message: Posted by: Atlas (May 22, 2014 03:41PM)
Good evening folks!

I thought I'd pop in and clarify a few points - First, the knowledgeable Mr. Rolyan is absolutely correct - the effect in the video itself has nothing whatsoever to do with Train Tracking. It is a performance piece of mine that is reliant on the use of established methods and is included in the book as a bonus. But it is not Train Tracking, nor does it demonstrate what Train Tracking can do.

You can, however, do as Alex suggested and Train Track the word from them - though my opinion is that in the situation, it'd make little sense to do so.

I'd also like to pass along Steve's thanks for all your kind comments on the video. I think he is a very personable and engaging performer and it is nice that others have enjoyed his performance as much as I have.

Now to address the other question, I am not accepting any pre-orders at the moment. I'd prefer not to until I actually am at the point where the book is scheduled to go to the printers and I have a specific publication date for you, as I would hate to have any delays lead to concerns or negative feelings.

Best,

Atlas
Message: Posted by: sandsjr (May 22, 2014 03:47PM)
I think train tracking the last word might serve to cement in a bigger reaction at the end of the routine. Even if it were done ps. It existed only in her mind. Just a thought.

Atlas I hope you make enough copies available so that those who have been salivating will have the opportunity to purchase it! :-)
Message: Posted by: Mark_Chandaue (May 22, 2014 04:05PM)
[quote]On May 22, 2014, MagicAtlas wrote:
I'd also like to pass along Steve's thanks for all your kind comments on the video. I think he is a very personable and engaging performer and it is nice that others have enjoyed his performance as much as I have. [/quote]

He is also a very nice guy.

Mark
Message: Posted by: psychomind (May 22, 2014 04:20PM)
[quote]On May 22, 2014, MagicAtlas wrote:
Good evening folks!

I thought I'd pop in and clarify a few points - First, the knowledgeable Mr. Rolyan is absolutely correct - the effect in the video itself has nothing whatsoever to do with Train Tracking. It is a performance piece of mine that is reliant on the use of established methods and is included in the book as a bonus. But it is not Train Tracking, nor does it demonstrate what Train Tracking can do.

You can, however, do as Alex suggested and Train Track the word from them - though my opinion is that in the situation, it'd make little sense to do so.

I'd also like to pass along Steve's thanks for all your kind comments on the video. I think he is a very personable and engaging performer and it is nice that others have enjoyed his performance as much as I have.

Now to address the other question, I am not accepting any pre-orders at the moment. I'd prefer not to until I actually am at the point where the book is scheduled to go to the printers and I have a specific publication date for you, as I would hate to have any delays lead to concerns or negative feelings.

Best,

Atlas [/quote]

Hi Atlas Sorry for asking this question again.

Have you got any official price for the book yet?

Thanks
Message: Posted by: Sreidy (May 23, 2014 02:52AM)
I'll be certainly picking this up no matter the cost. Still, it would be nice to know. I've been frothing at the mouth with the ideas you can use it for. I'll keep on the look out for pre orders once it's been scheduled. Every once in a while something comes along and captures your attention and I have found that twice in a row Atlas' name seems to attached.
Message: Posted by: C.J. (May 23, 2014 03:15AM)
I don't want to speak for Atlas, but based on what he's said so far, I'm going to hazard a guess that the price won't be set until the publishing details are sorted (and given that just two days ago he wasn't sure whether to print in invisible ink, well...). And of course, publishing can't be sorted until the book is actually finished, which it isn't yet. So we all just have to be patient.
Message: Posted by: Atlas (May 23, 2014 05:48AM)
CJ is right - I don't have an answer yet and won't until I have finished the book and can make educated decisions on format and layout.

Best,

Atlas
Message: Posted by: insight (May 23, 2014 10:57AM)
I would love to see this book printed in invisible ink. It would be the most unique book in my vast collection.

Regards,
Mike
Message: Posted by: ZachDavenport (May 23, 2014 11:20AM)
[quote]On May 23, 2014, insight wrote:
I would love to see this book printed in invisible ink. It would be the most unique book in my vast collection.

Regards,
Mike [/quote]
It would have to come with a black light, but cool Idea. It would get annoying after the novelty wore off though.
Message: Posted by: EricDraven (May 23, 2014 06:21PM)
Looking forward to the release!
Message: Posted by: insight (May 23, 2014 11:08PM)
If what Mark indicates below is accurate (and I have no reason not to believe it), then I think this is a groundbreaking moment for the book test. Think about it. No need for MOABT. No need for any marketed book test. It would be possible to just have a spectator bring THEIR OWN BOOK to the venue, have them only THINK OF THEIR OWN WORD on a random page, and the performer can know that very word through train tracking. Am I thinking about this correctly, or is my logic flawed? Thanks!

Regards,
Mike


[quote]On Apr 15, 2014, Mark_Chandaue wrote:
The possibilities of this are endless. You want to know the name of someone's first kiss ... Train track it, where somebody is going on holiday ... Train track it ..... A star sign? ..... Train track it. The price of a pound of bacon ... Train track it ... Ok you can't do that last one but you could train track that they had bacon in their sandwich. First letter for Moab .. Train track it, in fact forget the first letter, borrow a book, tell them to pick any word, any length, any page then train track that bugger right out of their head.

Actually wait a minute, I don't want you buggers train tracking, forget all that, it's decidedly average, you wouldn't like it, I may just take a kidney from each kid and buy them all and burn them to protect you all from such an undesirable little thing .... You will thank me for it ..... Honest. Now move along, nothing to see here.

Mark [/quote]
Message: Posted by: insight (May 24, 2014 12:26AM)
To add to my earlier post, here is a demo for MOABT2: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8HwIpV_zbJU

Though I perform this exact book test, I can see myself enhancing the presentation with Train Tracking. Looking forward to being Train Tracked!

Regards,
Mike
Message: Posted by: Dave Nic (May 24, 2014 02:40AM)
[quote]On May 24, 2014, insight wrote:
To add to my earlier post, here is a demo for MOABT2: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8HwIpV_zbJU

Though I perform this exact book test, I can see myself enhancing the presentation with Train Tracking. Looking forward to being Train Tracked!

Regards,
Mike [/quote]


Very rushed presentation. With all due respect, that presentation could be enhanced without the use of Train Tracking.

Anyhow, not to get off topic. Train Tracking sounds absolutely brilliant. I believe in this thread somewhere Atlas was talking about how he is a bit dissapointed that he will never experiance Train Tracking for himself. If I get the opportunity to purchase this Im going to be too scared to read it in fear I will want to see it in action first=(

Cant win em all!

Dave.
Message: Posted by: Shuaige (May 24, 2014 04:35AM)
Is the book a solo effect?
Message: Posted by: bond19 (May 24, 2014 04:58AM)
[quote]On May 24, 2014, Shuaige wrote:
Is the book a solo effect? [/quote]

It's not one single effect. I recommend you read all the posts by those who have been Train Tracked. Most will agree it's a tool which will enable you to know what someone is thinking with zero retractions (plus many other things they were thinking during the process). And all achieved with no props or writing materials. Atlas has confirmed it comes with one bonus routine based around dream holiday destinations.
Message: Posted by: ZachDavenport (May 26, 2014 02:19PM)
People have said this will be limited edition, so how limited? Also, I know a price has not been stated, but will it be over $100?
Message: Posted by: BMWGuy (May 26, 2014 04:26PM)
Zach,

Only Atlas can answer that question in due time, as he is trying to get a release date of late June, and if we are patient Atlas will chime in here, let us know the amount of copies that will be available, as well as how much it is going to be afterall. But yes, I assume that being this is something very special and limited, this will be over $100 easy. Atlas had said something one day along the lines of 150 gbp, but he was not sure as of yet if that was going to be the final price until he has completed many steps in the writing and printing process.

We will all know shortly when it comes time to unravel this book.

Thanks

Alex Alejandro
Message: Posted by: BMWGuy (May 27, 2014 11:49AM)
Hey guys,

So I wanted to come on here and tell you my experience with Train Tracking. I had not yet experienced it yet as Atlas is a very busy guy, but today Atlas took some time out of his busy schedule, and what I thought would end up in a 20-30 minute chat, ended up us talking for 1 hour and 30 minutes. Basically we discussed mentalism in general, and also some takes on different types of effects, and then Atlas asked me if I would like to experience Train Tracking. I giggled like a little boy, and said, "Certainly" So we chatted a bit, and he told me to think of any word, I thought of the word GLASSES, then we chatted some more about different types of things, as he took me though a day dreaming process, and then he said he had me figured out, told me everything that was going through my mind, and he finally told me my word. I was shocked, and this is truly one of the greatest pieces to come out in mentalism in a long time. I am glad that it will be limited. Atlas and I then discussed its different applications that it can be used for, close-up and stage, and more, and I could understand that this is going to be very fun learning, and also cant wait till its released. This will require some work on the performers part to get down correctly, as any effect, but I feel that with this, once you have it down, you will have a very powerful tool to amaze and astound at anytime.

I can already see the potential that this release will have, and I just wanted everyone to know that your participant will experience mind reading like never before, as you tell him things that were only in his mind, and you conclude by telling him the thought of word. Does not get any stronger than that.

Atlas is a really nice down to earth guy, and I am glad he chose to release this to our community, because he could have just kept it to himself.

Thanks Atlas, for a wonderful experience, and being train tracked.

Alex Alejandro
Message: Posted by: insight (May 27, 2014 12:51PM)
As I predict this will be a one-of-a-kind book in mentalism, and one that communicates the discovery of a groundbreaking principle, I would be happy even if the price were in the $500 range. Let's not forget that contained in the book is something Atlas has spent so much time creating and perfecting, and the sharing of this valuable knowledge will do wonders for all of us performers. Even if the book were $500, we would likely recover this cost through bookings. I wish Atlas only the very best in this release, and hope it is wildly successful for him (and remains exclusive to the purchasers).

Regards,
Mike

[quote]On May 26, 2014, BMWGuy wrote:
Zach,

Only Atlas can answer that question in due time, as he is trying to get a release date of late June, and if we are patient Atlas will chime in here, let us know the amount of copies that will be available, as well as how much it is going to be afterall. But yes, I assume that being this is something very special and limited, this will be over $100 easy. Atlas had said something one day along the lines of 150 gbp, but he was not sure as of yet if that was going to be the final price until he has completed many steps in the writing and printing process.

We will all know shortly when it comes time to unravel this book.

Thanks

Alex Alejandro [/quote]
Message: Posted by: ZachDavenport (May 27, 2014 01:02PM)
[quote]On May 27, 2014, insight wrote:
As I predict this will be a one-of-a-kind book in mentalism, and one that communicates the discovery of a groundbreaking principle, I would be happy even if the price were in the $500 range. Let's not forget that contained in the book is something Atlas has spent so much time creating and perfecting, and the sharing of this valuable knowledge will do wonders for all of us performers. Even if the book were $500, we would likely recover this cost through bookings. I wish Atlas only the very best in this release, and hope it is wildly successful for him (and remains exclusive to the purchasers).

Regards,
Mike

[quote]On May 26, 2014, BMWGuy wrote:
Zach,

Only Atlas can answer that question in due time, as he is trying to get a release date of late June, and if we are patient Atlas will chime in here, let us know the amount of copies that will be available, as well as how much it is going to be afterall. But yes, I assume that being this is something very special and limited, this will be over $100 easy. Atlas had said something one day along the lines of 150 gbp, but he was not sure as of yet if that was going to be the final price until he has completed many steps in the writing and printing process.

We will all know shortly when it comes time to unravel this book.

Thanks

Alex Alejandro [/quote] [/quote]
He could charge that much, but I pray he does not because I can't afford that.
Message: Posted by: sandsjr (May 27, 2014 05:03PM)
How practical is this for stage with regards to interest from the people that aren't participating?
Message: Posted by: Mindpro (May 27, 2014 07:04PM)
[quote]On May 27, 2014, ZachDavenport wrote:
[quote]On May 27, 2014, insight wrote:
As I predict this will be a one-of-a-kind book in mentalism, and one that communicates the discovery of a groundbreaking principle, I would be happy even if the price were in the $500 range. Let's not forget that contained in the book is something Atlas has spent so much time creating and perfecting, and the sharing of this valuable knowledge will do wonders for all of us performers. Even if the book were $500, we would likely recover this cost through bookings. I wish Atlas only the very best in this release, and hope it is wildly successful for him (and remains exclusive to the purchasers).

Regards,
Mike

[quote]On May 26, 2014, BMWGuy wrote:
Zach,

Only Atlas can answer that question in due time, as he is trying to get a release date of late June, and if we are patient Atlas will chime in here, let us know the amount of copies that will be available, as well as how much it is going to be afterall. But yes, I assume that being this is something very special and limited, this will be over $100 easy. Atlas had said something one day along the lines of 150 gbp, but he was not sure as of yet if that was going to be the final price until he has completed many steps in the writing and printing process.

We will all know shortly when it comes time to unravel this book.

Thanks

Alex Alejandro [/quote] [/quote]
He could charge that much, but I pray he does not because I can't afford that. [/quote]

Zach this is not meant for you. As both Atlas and myself have told you in other threads this isn't for you or other 14 year old beginners. You simply aren't ready for this, but you do not seem to be hearing this from those that have taken the time and patience to kindly tell you of this - Atlas, Bob Cassidy, myself and a host of others. No offense but just stating the facts. You would be out this amount of money which at your age I'm sure is a great amount and wouldn't likely be able to benefit from this yet at your very beginning stages of just starting to search for the basics and foundational mentalism principals. This would be way over your head at this point, save your money, and learn that you can't always jump on every latest and greatest release that comes through these pages, especially in the beginning stages.

I hope you accept this as constructive criticism and not take offense.
Message: Posted by: Lar (May 27, 2014 08:18PM)
I've been fortunate enough to have Atlas show me 'Train Tracking' via Skype a couple of times now.

This is excellent stuff and very clever thinking by Atlas, something I can't wait to put into practice. I can see myself doing this.

Imagine, no props, nothing written down, it's just you and your participant. In a nutshell, they think of a word and you're able to tell them what that word is.

There is a 'process' at work but that 'process' is logical and engaging; there's a rationale for you doing what you do. The end result is that not only are you able to tell the participant the word they [b]originally[/b] thought of but you're also able to tell them [b]all the other thoughts[/b] they had in the process. How strong is that!

TT is best suited for more intimate performances, I don't think it would translate well to stage. However, imagine using TT over the phone with a prospective client to secure a gig. You can do that.

Making TT look as smooth and polished as Atlas does is no small task. To do this well you'll need to know the effect inside out to make it seem fluid and effortless. Having seen the end result though, learning TT will be worth the effort.

Cheers,
Lar.
Message: Posted by: RedDevil (May 27, 2014 08:22PM)
Or...you can you ignore that advice and possibly prove everyone wrong. Never let someone tell you what you can't do (when it comes to matters of dreams and hopes). Where would mankind be if kids always listened to their elders and waited until they were 25 to push the envelope? Obviously, common sense has to be applied here. We are not talking about doing drugs, drunk driving, or driving your bicycle on the Interstate. Obviously, your elders' advice will help you live longer. But when it comes to trying new things, aiming for something hard, or proving that a 14-year old can do something amazing, show 'em wrong if you can, or learn from it if you can't.

I can name 100 great pioneers who were stubborn youngin's and ignored similar advice and did something amazing. Mindpro is likely 100% correct that you are not ready for this, but sometimes you have to find out for yourself. If you decide to spend this kind of money for this and you find that he is right, you should acknowledge it and learn something from it. That $250 disaster may just save you thousands later in life because you have that lesson to lean on. That's how the rest of us learned (hard mistakes and tough-earned experience). But if he is wrong and it causes you to go on and do amazing things that lead to other amazing things, I suspect he will be glad he was wrong.

I suspect that many of us on this board (regardless of their hierarchy of posts or actual knowledge and experience) are on this board because when we were children, we were interested in things like magic/mentalism, we researched things, we studied, we practiced, we failed, we embarrassed ourselves, and we spent countless dollars on tricks and books and videos (DVD's)...that are in the junk drawer. And then some of us turned pro, and I doubt they regret a thing. And some of us do something totally different, but wouldn't take a zillion bucks to change our memories of being 14 and being the kid at the magic store and taking an old deck cards and performing the same darn trick over and over and over until our families wanted to kill us.

Later on down the road, when you are 70, I hope you will tell some other kid the same thing. I would rather see the kid swing the bat and miss because he is out of his league than I had him wonder what would have happened if he had swung. This life ain't no dress rehearsal.
Message: Posted by: ZachDavenport (May 27, 2014 10:55PM)
[quote]On May 27, 2014, Mindpro wrote:
[quote]On May 27, 2014, ZachDavenport wrote:
[quote]On May 27, 2014, insight wrote:
As I predict this will be a one-of-a-kind book in mentalism, and one that communicates the discovery of a groundbreaking principle, I would be happy even if the price were in the $500 range. Let's not forget that contained in the book is something Atlas has spent so much time creating and perfecting, and the sharing of this valuable knowledge will do wonders for all of us performers. Even if the book were $500, we would likely recover this cost through bookings. I wish Atlas only the very best in this release, and hope it is wildly successful for him (and remains exclusive to the purchasers).

Regards,
Mike

[quote]On May 26, 2014, BMWGuy wrote:
Zach,

Only Atlas can answer that question in due time, as he is trying to get a release date of late June, and if we are patient Atlas will chime in here, let us know the amount of copies that will be available, as well as how much it is going to be afterall. But yes, I assume that being this is something very special and limited, this will be over $100 easy. Atlas had said something one day along the lines of 150 gbp, but he was not sure as of yet if that was going to be the final price until he has completed many steps in the writing and printing process.

We will all know shortly when it comes time to unravel this book.

Thanks

Alex Alejandro [/quote] [/quote]
He could charge that much, but I pray he does not because I can't afford that. [/quote]

Zach this is not meant for you. As both Atlas and myself have told you in other threads this isn't for you or other 14 year old beginners. You simply aren't ready for this, but you do not seem to be hearing this from those that have taken the time and patience to kindly tell you of this - Atlas, Bob Cassidy, myself and a host of others. No offense but just stating the facts. You would be out this amount of money which at your age I'm sure is a great amount and wouldn't likely be able to benefit from this yet at your very beginning stages of just starting to search for the basics and foundational mentalism principals. This would be way over your head at this point, save your money, and learn that you can't always jump on every latest and greatest release that comes through these pages, especially in the beginning stages.

I hope you accept this as constructive criticism and not take offense. [/quote]
I was not planning on using this right when I bought it, but I will not always be a beginner. If It is limited edition, and I wait until I am ready for it then I will not ever be able to do it.
Message: Posted by: magicmerlz (May 28, 2014 02:48AM)
[quote]On May 27, 2014, RedDevil wrote:
Or...you can you ignore that advice and possibly prove everyone wrong. Never let someone tell you what you can't do (when it comes to matters of dreams and hopes). Where would mankind be if kids always listened to their elders and waited until they were 25 to push the envelope? Obviously, common sense has to be applied here. We are not talking about doing drugs, drunk driving, or driving your bicycle on the Interstate. Obviously, your elders' advice will help you live longer. But when it comes to trying new things, aiming for something hard, or proving that a 14-year old can do something amazing, show 'em wrong if you can, or learn from it if you can't.

I can name 100 great pioneers who were stubborn youngin's and ignored similar advice and did something amazing. Mindpro is likely 100% correct that you are not ready for this, but sometimes you have to find out for yourself. If you decide to spend this kind of money for this and you find that he is right, you should acknowledge it and learn something from it. That $250 disaster may just save you thousands later in life because you have that lesson to lean on. That's how the rest of us learned (hard mistakes and tough-earned experience). But if he is wrong and it causes you to go on and do amazing things that lead to other amazing things, I suspect he will be glad he was wrong.

I suspect that many of us on this board (regardless of their hierarchy of posts or actual knowledge and experience) are on this board because when we were children, we were interested in things like magic/mentalism, we researched things, we studied, we practiced, we failed, we embarrassed ourselves, and we spent countless dollars on tricks and books and videos (DVD's)...that are in the junk drawer. And then some of us turned pro, and I doubt they regret a thing. And some of us do something totally different, but wouldn't take a zillion bucks to change our memories of being 14 and being the kid at the magic store and taking an old deck cards and performing the same darn trick over and over and over until our families wanted to kill us.

Later on down the road, when you are 70, I hope you will tell some other kid the same thing. I would rather see the kid swing the bat and miss because he is out of his league than I had him wonder what would have happened if he had swung. This life ain't no dress rehearsal. [/quote]

Well said.
Message: Posted by: Heka Siosiri (May 28, 2014 02:59AM)
Never had the pleasure to witness it in firsthand but it mainly sounds like a combination of two other methods. Very curious how this is going to turn out.
Message: Posted by: insight (May 28, 2014 09:20AM)
For those of you who have been train tracked, was your reaction different than the one of the spectator in this particular clip?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sDXXJDRhDOY

Nothing was written down, a process was utilized, and a word was derived without asking any questions. If you were train tracked, was your reaction similar? If different, how so? Thanks!

Regards,
Mike
Message: Posted by: BMWGuy (May 28, 2014 09:43AM)
Mike,

This is different altogether. I cant say too much on here, but just know that in the clip he wasnt even able to guess the participants original word she thought of, and just named a presidents name.

With train tracking, you guess multiple thoughts, and you also divine their original word. The clip reminded me a lot of a book, that those of you in mentalism who know, is a process called "CXXXXXXXX" from a book called "PXXXXXXXX" I don't want to say more on here, but that is all the clip above shows, his version of the thought of word effect from the book.

Train tracking is a completely different effect. And to answer your question............yes the reaction was easily five times greater, because not only does Atlas tell you everything you thought of during the process, but also tells you the original word you thought of.

Thanks

Alex Alejandro
Message: Posted by: insight (May 28, 2014 11:01AM)
Thanks alex. I was just curious about reacton differential, that's all. I already am familiar with method, and I have no interest in discussing methods. Thanks for answering that your reaction was 5x the reaction in the clip...that is helpful!
Message: Posted by: Atlas (May 28, 2014 12:55PM)
Hi guys. I'm just popping in to address a few things:

First, I do use this on stage. At this point in the show, the audience interest is intense and their reaction is great. The book talks about how to present Train Tracking on stage (there are a few ways I use it) and it is something I've refined over time. I'd suggest that you follow the guidance I lay out in the book in this respect.

Second, as far as the method is concerned, there is nothing else like this out there. It is a unique and completely bespoke solution to a problem I faced. Overall, from inception to where it is now, Train Tracking has taken up six years of my life. I'm very pleased with it.

Third, [b]Train Tracking also won't be available to just anyone[/b] - [b][i]and especially not to people who have fished for a method via PM with those I've demonstrated it for[/i][/b] - if you want this, you've got to demonstrate a RESPECT for our secrets or this is one that will be withheld from you.

Best,

Atlas
Message: Posted by: morgaine_le_fay (May 28, 2014 01:10PM)
[quote]On May 28, 2014, MagicAtlas wrote:
demonstrate a RESPECT for our secrets [/quote]

Words of wisdom :applause:
Message: Posted by: psychomind (May 28, 2014 01:13PM)
[quote]On May 28, 2014, MagicAtlas wrote:
Hi guys. I'm just popping in to address a few things:

First, I do use this on stage. At this point in the show, the audience interest is intense and their reaction is great. The book talks about how to present Train Tracking on stage (there are a few ways I use it) and it is something I've refined over time. I'd suggest that you follow the guidance I lay out in the book in this respect.

Second, as far as the method is concerned, there is nothing else like this out there. It is a unique and completely bespoke solution to a problem I faced. Overall, from inception to where it is now, Train Tracking has taken up six years of my life. I'm very pleased with it.

Third, [b]Train Tracking also won't be available to just anyone[/b] - [b][i]and especially not to people who have fished for a method via PM with those I've demonstrated it for[/i][/b] - if you want this, you've got to demonstrate a RESPECT for our secrets or this is one that will be withheld from you.

Best,

Atlas [/quote]

Well Said Atlas!
Message: Posted by: bond19 (May 28, 2014 01:20PM)
I fully support and adhere to your wishes Atlas. This one is too good to let loose.
Message: Posted by: Harry the magic man (May 28, 2014 01:56PM)
I think that what Atlas said should be used with more releases. That is a brilliant idea.
Best wishes,
Harry
Message: Posted by: lunatik (May 28, 2014 02:48PM)
Atlas, would you say that TT takes about the same amount as of effort asThought Chunnel to perform, maybe more? Overall after reading those thoughts of whom have witnessed this, it seems to be promising!
Message: Posted by: Atlas (May 28, 2014 04:22PM)
Hi Lunatik, look back over the thread and you'll find that your question has already been addressed more eloquently than I could by others who are currently learning Train Tracking.

Best,

Atlas
Message: Posted by: lunatik (May 28, 2014 08:03PM)
Thanks Atlas, I probably have a couple of pages that I haven't read as of yet, now I have something to do tonight!
Message: Posted by: Stephen Young (May 29, 2014 03:27AM)
I applaud the stance Atlas is taking on the release of this book.

Namely, who it will be released to.

Maybe it's the start of a response to the modern concept of instant gratification, and the feeling of entitlement that is becoming more and more prevalent in our art, and the world in general.


As long as I qualify, otherwise I think it sucks :-)

steve
Message: Posted by: bond19 (May 29, 2014 07:05AM)
:dancing:

I'm with Steve!
Message: Posted by: dan the man (May 29, 2014 09:08AM)
So how does one qualify? :-) might be useful to know, since I've already begun working overtime for this..
Message: Posted by: Jeff Wassom (May 29, 2014 09:31AM)
My assumption was 'disqualify' by way of method fishing...
Message: Posted by: Mark_Chandaue (May 29, 2014 10:53AM)
How does one qualify? I shall start by offering to wash Atlas' car and cut his lawn, maybe carry his bags, failing that I shall move on to begging and grovelling, if that fails crying usually goes a long way.

Mark
Message: Posted by: morgaine_le_fay (May 29, 2014 11:13AM)
For my sake I hope it won't be the amount of posts on the Café, otherwise I'm in deep... trouble.

(start with your favorite cold reading routine, perhaps something like this:)
"I think it might be about what Mr Young said.
And about sharing.
But being a woman, I might be way off...
Or not...
Some men don't like to share, but Mr Atlas does it, even when the effect is his and his alone.
Sharing in the largest sense of the word of course. Giving back to the community what the community has given to you.
Not just money. Money matters, sure, but this is about more.
About who you are, what you stand for, and whether you will use this effect as just another new trick.
Or understand the weight of it -- without all possible psychostasia.
But how does one weigh the worthiness of intent?"

Yes, I love scripting

:winker:

xxx Morgaine
Message: Posted by: Mindpro (May 29, 2014 11:33AM)
Lol...Lotta sucking up and scrambling going on here since the announcement of exclusivity. Some are already regretting their over-aggressiveness. I would think you would want to be accepted or selected due to merit, level of experience, intent and real world performing ability rather than ooogling? I'm thinking of a color and a body part.... Atlas has it, do you?
Message: Posted by: swamister (May 29, 2014 12:24PM)
Why don't we just let atlas be for the time being, and let the thread move on...i'm sure he'll let us know when its time to order and how...

just seems a lot of people are now panicking or sniffing around for clues...lets give the poor bloke a rest and leave it be for the time being...
Message: Posted by: CSArscott (May 29, 2014 12:36PM)
[quote]On May 29, 2014, swamister wrote:
Why don't we just let atlas be for the time being, and let the thread move on...i'm sure he'll let us know when its time to order and how...

just seems a lot of people are now panicking or sniffing around for clues...lets give the poor bloke a rest and leave it be for the time being... [/quote]

I agree, the time Atlas must be spending checking this thread and replying to questions and comments could be better used finalizing, formatting, publishing and arranging printing of the book we are all waiting for.

If we let him get on with the job it will be available quicker!
Message: Posted by: Stephen Young (May 30, 2014 09:52AM)
Well I offered to murder somebody to get to the top of the list, so unless any of you can trump that. :kermit:

steve
Message: Posted by: ZachDavenport (May 30, 2014 11:01AM)
[quote]On May 30, 2014, Stephen Young wrote:
Well I offered to murder somebody to get to the top of the list, so unless any of you can trump that. :kermit:

steve [/quote]
Then you can train track your cell mates.
Message: Posted by: george1953 (May 30, 2014 11:07AM)
Steve, if you get locked up for murder, would you be Missing In Action ;-)
Message: Posted by: Stephen Young (May 30, 2014 01:03PM)
I think it only fair to point out that Atlas very graciously turned down my offer of bumping someone off for him. :-)
You just can't please some people.

@Zach, It would be the perfect opportunity to practice prop-free mentalism.
@Geaorge, since M.I.A. started life as something called Death Row it seems to fit perfectly. :-)

steve
Message: Posted by: yachanin (May 30, 2014 11:21PM)
Hi All,

I was chatting with Atlas last night and, despite our different feelings about the "designated hitter" :-), he train-tracked me (the word was "couch"). He then described several different approaches and applications of TT; the more he spoke, the more I smiled... and smiled...

Regards, Steve
Message: Posted by: reese (May 31, 2014 01:02AM)
I think it's already sold without any further praise. At this point, kinda like pouring gasoline on a fire.
Message: Posted by: insight (Jun 1, 2014 11:47AM)
I am already planning to incorporate train tracking into my show...how much time should I budget for this particular performance piece? In other words, how much time is needed to train track someone? Thanks.

Regards,
Mike
Message: Posted by: insight (Jun 1, 2014 06:54PM)
I have one request...can books be autographed by atlas, and also numbered...I think it would add an element of individuality and uniqueness...a signed copy can only add more class to an already exceptional offering to the mentalism community, in my opinion. Thanks for your consideration, Atlas!

Regards,
Mike
Message: Posted by: C.J. (Jun 2, 2014 12:31AM)
[quote]On Jun 1, 2014, insight wrote:
I am already planning to incorporate train tracking into my show...how much time should I budget for this particular performance piece? In other words, how much time is needed to train track someone? Thanks.

Regards,
Mike [/quote]

The first time Atlas demonstrated this on me, it turned out that my chosen word was one of the more difficult to Track, and the process took about 3 minutes without rushing, but with a simple reveal at the end. A later demonstration with a clearer word and me having an idea of what was happening, it was about 1 minute. BUT... because the Train Tracking system is interactive, some of the speed depends on the thought processes of your participant and how quickly THEY can move from track to track. Also, be aware that the numbers I've just quoted are for "bare bones" performance. Most people will embellish the process in some way to make it more beautiful/fun/fooling/amusing. Plus, the nature of your reveal will add time. All that said, TT is (in my mind) flexible enough to use as a fast stand-alone effect for 3-5 minutes, or as the driving force in a longer routine with multiple spectators and multiple styles of reveal over 15 minutes.
Message: Posted by: Atlas (Jun 2, 2014 02:49AM)
[quote]On Jun 1, 2014, insight wrote:
I am already planning to incorporate train tracking into my show...how much time should I budget for this particular performance piece?[/quote]

Mike,

This all depends on HOW you choose to use Train Tracking. I use it differently in my stage performances than I do when I work up close. There are a few ways I use it on stage, and it is quick, direct, and powerful.

And up close, the meat and potatoes of Train Tracking usually takes about a minute to perform. However, in the end, the speed you go is entirely up to you and what you are comfortable with in that specific set of circumstances.

Best,

Atlas
Message: Posted by: Gordon the discombobulator (Jun 2, 2014 04:49AM)
Just a thought - For close-up performances can it be performed for two people at the same time. E.g. for a young couple with a different word each ?
Perhaps highlighting the differences/similaries in the way that males and females think when choosing a word.
Message: Posted by: Atlas (Jun 2, 2014 05:58AM)
Hi Gordon,

I've never actually thought about doing that, but yeah - it could be done that way. Good idea. I may just try that!

Best,

Atlas
Message: Posted by: insight (Jun 2, 2014 11:36AM)
Thank you for the insightful responses. Looking forward to the release!
Message: Posted by: lunatik (Jun 8, 2014 10:47PM)
We're getting closer to release!
Message: Posted by: bond19 (Jun 9, 2014 04:12AM)
July = Train Tracking, Newcastle Meeting and Dawn of the Planet of the Apes!!
Message: Posted by: Rolyan (Jun 9, 2014 08:14AM)
Plus 'A Piece Of My Mind' !
Message: Posted by: bond19 (Jun 9, 2014 01:53PM)
Ditto
Message: Posted by: NeilS (Jun 10, 2014 11:06AM)
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Message: Posted by: Martin Pulman (Jun 10, 2014 11:18AM)
" in my mind - all of my previous releases pale in comparison to Train Tracking."

If Atlas is saying this, I cannot begin to imagine how powerful this creation is going to be. Perhaps he should reconsider releasing it at all? Don't we all secretly love the exquisite pain of NOT KNOWING!
Message: Posted by: morgaine_le_fey (Jun 10, 2014 01:03PM)
[quote]On Jun 10, 2014, Martin Pulman wrote:
" in my mind - all of my previous releases pale in comparison to Train Tracking."

If Atlas is saying this, I cannot begin to imagine how powerful this creation is going to be. Perhaps he should reconsider releasing it at all? Don't we all secretly love the exquisite pain of NOT KNOWING! [/quote]

If he does pull back, Martin, I'll hunt you down and torture you to madness (I've got the Benny Hill DVD Box and I'll set it on repeat)!
Message: Posted by: Funnybaldbloke (Jun 10, 2014 02:05PM)
D*** you Morgaine, now I've got 'Yakketysax' in my head!!
Message: Posted by: morgaine_le_fey (Jun 10, 2014 02:29PM)
[quote]On Jun 10, 2014, Funnybaldbloke wrote:
D*** you Morgaine, now I've got 'Yakketysax' in my head!! [/quote]

And I feel like constantly hitting an small old funnybaldbloke on the head ;)
Message: Posted by: Funnybaldbloke (Jun 10, 2014 04:08PM)
Less of the old, thank you!!

I can still run round the park at high speed! Especially when being chased!!
Message: Posted by: Atlas (Jun 10, 2014 06:03PM)
We're getting really close now...

Best,

Atlas
Message: Posted by: insight (Jun 10, 2014 06:08PM)
In other words, christmas is almost here!

Regards,
Mike


quote]On Jun 10, 2014, MagicAtlas wrote:
We're getting really close now...

Best,

Atlas [/quote]
Message: Posted by: magicmerlz (Jun 11, 2014 12:45AM)
[quote]On Jun 10, 2014, MagicAtlas wrote:
We're getting really close now...

Best,

Atlas [/quote]

Atlas

I have read this thread with interest from day 1 and refrained from posting...I am very excited about your release. I know that no details have yet been released regards pricing and qualification to buy...but given your latest post I would like to register my interest to buy.

Regards to all.

Matt
Message: Posted by: CSK Sr (Jun 11, 2014 07:43AM)
I'll second that! Is there a pre-order list yet?
Message: Posted by: Atlas (Jun 12, 2014 04:02AM)
Not really, just a list of people who have asked me to email them when the book is ready to order.

And Matt, I've noted your interest.

Best,

Atlas
Message: Posted by: bond19 (Jun 12, 2014 04:43AM)
So excited for Train Tracking. I predict this is going to be a game changing summer 2014 for me!
Message: Posted by: psychomind (Jun 12, 2014 02:00PM)
I have also been excited since the day it was announced :)
Message: Posted by: Garbo (Jun 12, 2014 02:03PM)
Having being train tracked by the man himself - I can't wait either.... :)
Message: Posted by: insight (Jun 12, 2014 03:29PM)
Atlas,

Did you decide on invisble ink or regular ink for the printing? I've sent you my email address, and am looking forward to the ordering details. Thanks!

Regards,
Mike

[quote]On Jun 10, 2014, MagicAtlas wrote:
We're getting really close now...

Best,

Atlas [/quote]
Message: Posted by: Atlas (Jun 12, 2014 03:32PM)
Regular ink...sadly.

I'd have loved to produce a book that was apparently blank, but that'll have to wait for a different project.

Best,

Atlas
Message: Posted by: insight (Jun 12, 2014 03:36PM)
Regular ink or invisible ink, either way is fine..what matters most is that your valuable thoughts will be captured in this book, and for that, this is a book I will eternally treasure.

Regards,
Mike

[quote]On Jun 12, 2014, MagicAtlas wrote:
Regular ink...sadly.

I'd have loved to produce a book that was apparently blank, but that'll have to wait for a different project.

Best,

Atlas [/quote]
Message: Posted by: psychomind (Jun 12, 2014 03:56PM)
Hi Atlas

How do I send you my email address, to get information about the book or to pre order the book?

Thanks
Message: Posted by: BMWGuy (Jun 12, 2014 05:47PM)
Hey guys,

I have been very fortunate just like Looch to start learning this, and I am sure you all will enjoy it, if you put the time, effort, and practice it deserves. The thing I like about this is that you can take all the time in the world until you are comfortable and test yourself, as you progress step by step. I am nowhere close on being complete, and I have started learning this around late May, I still got a long way to go.... for those of you that don't want to spend the time to really learn this and make it yours, save your money and don't buy it, you need to be absolutely 100% comfortable, every step of the way, and it will not be something you can do relatively quickly. I have started to practice this on my own, and really gets your brain working, as well as your mind racing and spinning and really thinking....I love it.

I will not divulge any details on here, and I will not Skype with anyone to demonstrate this or talk about it.....read the thread and if you like what you read, then take the plunge.....there is no set price yet, but since the time for release is getting closer, Atlas will fill you in on all the details soon, as well as pricing for this limited edition book.

No, I did not receive a review copy, pdf, or anything of that sorts, this is all learnt by conversing with Atlas. And yes I will have the money for this, as I will pay just like the rest of you.

Now that I have worked it a bit, probably have it down about 25% already, I can say that many of you will love it or hate it. The reason why I say hate it, is because you will not want to put in the requires time, practice, this effect deserves, and you will want to throw in the towel early. Remember, Guy Hollingworths REFORMATION, probably one of the best TnRs, for those that practiced and took the time and can perform it, looks like a miracle, but many people gave up since they thought it was too hard......same thing goes with this.........95% of you will take advantage of it, and I suspect about 5% of you will purchase it, never practice and perform it, and sell it. I say most of you will never sell this, as its something too good to pass on, and will be a collectors item, plus you will have a miracle on your hands once you get it down 100%. For those of you that were worried about working in other languages....I talked to Atlas, I am learning it in English now, once I learn it 100%, I will tweak it for Spanish, since I live in Mexico, and I don't see that being a problem, in fact, it will generate lots of interest in finding out the work to make this happen, into another language, similar to a crossword puzzle......

that's all for now, just wanted to chime in, and let you all know that this is worth its weight in gold, and if you have questions about getting on this bandwagon, contact Atlas with your email info and you can be on a list, as he mentioned above that you will get to know the price when it become available as well as when its ready to ship.

Thanks

Alex Alejandro
Message: Posted by: bond19 (Jun 12, 2014 05:48PM)
PM should work Psychomind
Message: Posted by: BMWGuy (Jun 12, 2014 05:51PM)
As bond says, just PM Atlas with your interest, and he will have you squared away.

Thanks

Alex Alejandro
Message: Posted by: Atlas (Jun 12, 2014 06:19PM)
[quote]On Jun 12, 2014, BMWGuy wrote:

Now that I have worked it a bit, probably have it down about 25% already, I can say that many of you will love it or hate it. The reason why I say hate it, is because you will not want to put in the required time, practice, this effect deserves, and you will want to throw in the towel early.
[/quote]

It is funny that you should say that. At the start of the book, I ask the reader a question:

'If I told you that you were standing ten feet above a treasure chest full of gold, silver, and jewels - Would you get a shovel and start digging?'

Some things are worth the effort - and in this case, you won't even break a sweat.

Best,

Atlas
Message: Posted by: Mindpro (Jun 12, 2014 06:55PM)
[quote]On Jun 12, 2014, BMWGuy wrote:
Hey guys,

.... for those of you that don't want to spend the time to really learn this and make it yours, save your money and don't buy it, you need to be absolutely 100% comfortable, every step of the way, and it will not be something you can do relatively quickly.

Now that I have worked it a bit, probably have it down about 25% already, I can say that many of you will love it or hate it. The reason why I say hate it, is because you will not want to put in the requires time, practice, this effect deserves, and you will want to throw in the towel early. [/quote]


Now I think that's the best perspective heard around here yet. I feel many that are so hot for this will not be willing to put in the necessary work to get the results they are seeking. To me, this is the beauty of such a release, is that it will quickly separate the serious from the curious as the cream will rise to the top.

In this day and age of so many newer guys and bandwagon jumpers looking for instant gratifications and results and wanting to be spoon-fed everything right now, today in this "I gotta have it now world", this may be a refreshing alternative that will show those who are truly committed, have what it takes and truly "get it". Good for Atlas! To get the results, to create the impact and to perform something at such a level of what I believe Atlas is offering will require much more than plug-n-play. Very nice, I wish more releases were like this.
Message: Posted by: Matt Chalk (Jun 12, 2014 07:37PM)
I think this is the way mentalism is going, and I really hope it is too

Look at things like Ben Sewards Cog. An absolutely beautiful and stunning effect but it takes many hours of practise to perform it perfectly.

Those that put the time and effort into such an effect would reap the reward of having a stunning piece of propless mentalism at there hands. Those that don't, will not have the experience and skill as those that do.

I have created an effect which I'm in the process of writing at the momment that takes a rather large amount of practise and dedication to perfom perfectly.

I received feedback from some who think the effect is too hard and pointless. And some where they absolutely love the principle (I don't mean to hijack the thread atlas, I actually sent a draft of the effect to atlas just the other day).

I haven't seen train tracking. Nor do I know the method. But I trust atlas and his material more then anyone else. And I know for a fact myself and others put forward the time and effort into mastering the effect. They will be paid back ten fold
Message: Posted by: ZachDavenport (Jun 12, 2014 08:57PM)
[quote]On Jun 12, 2014, Matt Chalk wrote:
I think this is the way mentalism is going, and I really hope it is too

Look at things like Ben Sewards Cog. An absolutely beautiful and stunning effect but it takes many hours of practise to perform it perfectly.

Those that put the time and effort into such an effect would reap the reward of having a stunning piece of propless mentalism at there hands. Those that don't, will not have the experience and skill as those that do.

I have created an effect which I'm in the process of writing at the momment that takes a rather large amount of practise and dedication to perfom perfectly.

I received feedback from some who think the effect is too hard and pointless. And some where they absolutely love the principle (I don't mean to hijack the thread atlas, I actually sent a draft of the effect to atlas just the other day).

I haven't seen train tracking. Nor do I know the method. But I trust atlas and his material more then anyone else. And I know for a fact myself and others put forward the time and effort into mastering the effect. They will be paid back ten fold [/quote]
Could you elaborate on the effect? If you want it to be "Top Secret" I understand, but you made me curious.
Message: Posted by: Funnybaldbloke (Jun 13, 2014 12:34AM)
Hi Atlas,

Tried to PM you to register my interest but your inbox is full so I hope this works instead!

Cheers,

Tony
Message: Posted by: Shuaige (Jun 13, 2014 01:35AM)
Hi Mr Brookings,

I'd love to register my interest to purchase this. Your inbox is full. Thanks!! ;)

Regards
Shuaige
Message: Posted by: Matt Chalk (Jun 13, 2014 02:57AM)
[quote]On Jun 12, 2014, ZachDavenport wrote:
[quote]On Jun 12, 2014, Matt Chalk wrote:
I think this is the way mentalism is going, and I really hope it is too

Look at things like Ben Sewards Cog. An absolutely beautiful and stunning effect but it takes many hours of practise to perform it perfectly.

Those that put the time and effort into such an effect would reap the reward of having a stunning piece of propless mentalism at there hands. Those that don't, will not have the experience and skill as those that do.

I have created an effect which I'm in the process of writing at the momment that takes a rather large amount of practise and dedication to perfom perfectly.

I received feedback from some who think the effect is too hard and pointless. And some where they absolutely love the principle (I don't mean to hijack the thread atlas, I actually sent a draft of the effect to atlas just the other day).

I haven't seen train tracking. Nor do I know the method. But I trust atlas and his material more then anyone else. And I know for a fact myself and others put forward the time and effort into mastering the effect. They will be paid back ten fold [/quote]
Could you elaborate on the effect? If you want it to be "Top Secret" I understand, but you made me curious. [/quote]

Like I said I don't want to hijack the thread.
Message: Posted by: psychomind (Jun 13, 2014 03:21AM)
Hi Atlas

Like other people I tried to send you a message but your inbox is full.

Thanks
Message: Posted by: psychomind (Jun 13, 2014 03:24AM)
[quote]On Jun 12, 2014, ZachDavenport wrote:
[quote]On Jun 12, 2014, Matt Chalk wrote:
I think this is the way mentalism is going, and I really hope it is too

Look at things like Ben Sewards Cog. An absolutely beautiful and stunning effect but it takes many hours of practise to perform it perfectly.

Those that put the time and effort into such an effect would reap the reward of having a stunning piece of propless mentalism at there hands. Those that don't, will not have the experience and skill as those that do.

I have created an effect which I'm in the process of writing at the momment that takes a rather large amount of practise and dedication to perfom perfectly.

I received feedback from some who think the effect is too hard and pointless. And some where they absolutely love the principle (I don't mean to hijack the thread atlas, I actually sent a draft of the effect to atlas just the other day).

I haven't seen train tracking. Nor do I know the method. But I trust atlas and his material more then anyone else. And I know for a fact myself and others put forward the time and effort into mastering the effect. They will be paid back ten fold [/quote]
Could you elaborate on the effect? If you want it to be "Top Secret" I understand, but you made me curious. [/quote]

Zach, please study the classics. You need to understand the classics before you go advanced.

Thanks
Message: Posted by: ZachDavenport (Jun 13, 2014 11:21AM)
[quote]On Jun 13, 2014, psychomind wrote:
[quote]On Jun 12, 2014, ZachDavenport wrote:
[quote]On Jun 12, 2014, Matt Chalk wrote:
I think this is the way mentalism is going, and I really hope it is too

Look at things like Ben Sewards Cog. An absolutely beautiful and stunning effect but it takes many hours of practise to perform it perfectly.

Those that put the time and effort into such an effect would reap the reward of having a stunning piece of propless mentalism at there hands. Those that don't, will not have the experience and skill as those that do.

I have created an effect which I'm in the process of writing at the momment that takes a rather large amount of practise and dedication to perfom perfectly.

I received feedback from some who think the effect is too hard and pointless. And some where they absolutely love the principle (I don't mean to hijack the thread atlas, I actually sent a draft of the effect to atlas just the other day).

I haven't seen train tracking. Nor do I know the method. But I trust atlas and his material more then anyone else. And I know for a fact myself and others put forward the time and effort into mastering the effect. They will be paid back ten fold [/quote]
Could you elaborate on the effect? If you want it to be "Top Secret" I understand, but you made me curious. [/quote]

Zach, please study the classics. You need to understand the classics before you go advanced.

Thanks [/quote]
I was not looking to learn to do the trick, I just wanted to know what the effect was. I did study a classic, but I decided that mentalism is not for me. I think that any mental effects will be mental magic.
Message: Posted by: psychomind (Jun 13, 2014 12:27PM)
[quote]On Jun 13, 2014, ZachDavenport wrote:
[quote]On Jun 13, 2014, psychomind wrote:
[quote]On Jun 12, 2014, ZachDavenport wrote:
[quote]On Jun 12, 2014, Matt Chalk wrote:
I think this is the way mentalism is going, and I really hope it is too

Look at things like Ben Sewards Cog. An absolutely beautiful and stunning effect but it takes many hours of practise to perform it perfectly.

Those that put the time and effort into such an effect would reap the reward of having a stunning piece of propless mentalism at there hands. Those that don't, will not have the experience and skill as those that do.

I have created an effect which I'm in the process of writing at the momment that takes a rather large amount of practise and dedication to perfom perfectly.

I received feedback from some who think the effect is too hard and pointless. And some where they absolutely love the principle (I don't mean to hijack the thread atlas, I actually sent a draft of the effect to atlas just the other day).

I haven't seen train tracking. Nor do I know the method. But I trust atlas and his material more then anyone else. And I know for a fact myself and others put forward the time and effort into mastering the effect. They will be paid back ten fold [/quote]
Could you elaborate on the effect? If you want it to be "Top Secret" I understand, but you made me curious. [/quote]

Zach, please study the classics. You need to understand the classics before you go advanced.

Thanks [/quote]
I was not looking to learn to do the trick, I just wanted to know what the effect was. I did study a classic, but I decided that mentalism is not for me. I think that any mental effects will be mental magic. [/quote]

If your are trying to do mental magic, look for Oz Pearlman's lecture he is both mentalist and magician.
Message: Posted by: Atlas (Jun 13, 2014 12:39PM)
Thanks for the heads up. My inbox now has some more space in it.

Best,

Atlas
Message: Posted by: psychomind (Jun 13, 2014 01:18PM)
[quote]On Jun 13, 2014, MagicAtlas wrote:
Thanks for the heads up. My inbox now has some more space in it.

Best,

Atlas [/quote]

Thanks Atlas, sent you a PM :)
Message: Posted by: jaizon (Jun 21, 2014 09:00AM)
It would be so nice if you (Atlas) would sign and number the limited number of copies and also provide a video demo (private access only) for those who order Train Tracking. These are just suggestions, of course. Regardless, I have already made my commitment. Much success, my friend.

Preston
Message: Posted by: lunatik (Jun 21, 2014 09:14AM)
The price is 159 GB, roughly $270 USD. Limited to 200 Hard Copies. Shipping by mid July.
Message: Posted by: Sreidy (Jun 21, 2014 10:36AM)
When you look at the different aspects of your life or performances, you naturally remember different experiences that appear to be very random. Experiences that don't appear to be connected in any way at all. But when you look back, you see how its been a journey of connected weird synchronistic experiences that lead you in a certain direction.

See the train of events, you'll be surprised at what you might find...

Scott
x
Message: Posted by: magus (Jun 21, 2014 01:24PM)
I just pre-ordered this.
I just couldn't miss out on this one.

I'll get started now.
Is it here yet? Is it here yet? Is it here yet? Is it here yet? Is it here yet? Is it here yet? Is it here yet? Is it here yet?
Message: Posted by: sandsjr (Jun 21, 2014 01:28PM)
[quote]On Jun 21, 2014, magus wrote:
I'll get started now.
Is it here yet? Is it here yet? Is it here yet? Is it here yet? Is it here yet? Is it here yet? Is it here yet? Is it here yet? [/quote]

That's funny magus!
Message: Posted by: insight (Jun 21, 2014 04:44PM)
I am pre-ordering this today, right after I come back from Disneyland. What great news about the release---it made my DAY!!!

Regards,
Mike
Message: Posted by: BlakeAdams (Jun 21, 2014 05:39PM)
I just pre-ordered also. Im really looking forward to this.
Thanks Atlas,
Blake
Message: Posted by: Ben Blau (Jun 21, 2014 08:59PM)
Pre-ordered. I think the Force will be strong with this one...
Message: Posted by: Jeff Wassom (Jun 21, 2014 10:15PM)
This was a stretch for my budget and probably ability, but hope to do Atlas justice and make this a signature piece in time.

Fun awaits. =)
Message: Posted by: BMWGuy (Jun 21, 2014 11:10PM)
You guys are going to love this.
Message: Posted by: Sreidy (Jun 22, 2014 02:46AM)
[quote]On Jun 22, 2014, BMWGuy wrote:
You guys are going to love this. [/quote]

How are you going with the practice?
Message: Posted by: BMWGuy (Jun 22, 2014 11:26AM)
Hi,

I am about 35% there.

Practice is going great.

I havent had much time to work on it as I did back in late May/early June, but so far so good.

Thanks for asking

Alex
Message: Posted by: guitarmagic (Jun 22, 2014 01:10PM)
Another pre-order of Train Tracking here!!! Thank you immensely Atlas for sharing your work . . . it is genius, relevant, and a beautiful milestone of the mystery arts.
Message: Posted by: Sreidy (Jun 23, 2014 05:47AM)
[quote]On Jun 22, 2014, BMWGuy wrote:
Hi,

I am about 35% there.

Practice is going great.

I havent had much time to work on it as I did back in late May/early June, but so far so good.

Thanks for asking

Alex [/quote]


That's great to hear and I'm sure you will strike Gold soon enough. I have a feeling this is going to be consuming most of my time. I can only day dream of the possibilities....
Message: Posted by: Gumar Oz DuBar (Jun 23, 2014 09:49AM)
I've checked atlasmentalism, Monumentalism, and a few other sites, but cannot find where to preorder.

Could someone kindly tell me where I can preorder? Been waiting for this since the beginning of the thread.
Message: Posted by: sandsjr (Jun 23, 2014 10:53AM)
[quote]On Jun 23, 2014, Gumar Oz DuBar wrote:
I've checked atlasmentalism, Monumentalism, and a few other sites, but cannot find where to preorder.

Could someone kindly tell me where I can preorder? Been waiting for this since the beginning of the thread. [/quote]

Drop Atlas a PM.
Message: Posted by: Gumar Oz DuBar (Jun 23, 2014 11:14AM)
Thank you, sir. Very much appreciated!
Message: Posted by: Atlas (Jun 23, 2014 12:26PM)
Thanks everyone for all your kind words and interest. I'm surprised - half the books are sold already.

Since Gumar asked the question, the purchase link is here:

http://www.atlasmentalism.com/TrainTracking.html

While anyone can place an order, I want to emphasize that if I harbor any reservations about you at all, I will speak with you directly and reserve the right to cancel your order and refund your payment.

Best,

Atlas
Message: Posted by: Gourmet (Jun 23, 2014 05:15PM)
@Atlas
Can you install a purchasers forum that gives home to discussions around the train tracking routine, possible applications/ideas and the adaption /translation to other languages?

I think the group effort in that way could add a lot in learning the routine.
Message: Posted by: Heka Siosiri (Jun 23, 2014 05:37PM)
[quote]On Jun 23, 2014, Gourmet wrote:
@Atlas
Can you install a purchasers forum that gives home to discussions around the train tracking routine, possible applications/ideas and the adaption /translation to other languages?

I think the group effort in that way could add a lot in learning the routine. [/quote]

I second that, nowadays private forums are one of the best tools to share knowledge and protect ideas. In guise of the TDID forum (even though that is kind of sleepy lately...).
Message: Posted by: Knobz1 (Jun 23, 2014 09:45PM)
Just pre-ordered mine. I am looking forward to this come July :)
Message: Posted by: Atlas (Jun 24, 2014 11:28AM)
[quote]On Jun 23, 2014, Gourmet wrote:
@Atlas
Can you install a purchasers forum that gives home to discussions around the train tracking routine, possible applications/ideas and the adaption /translation to other languages?

I think the group effort in that way could add a lot in learning the routine. [/quote]

Yes, I think I can manage that. The easiest route forward will probably be a private Facebook group.

Out of curiosity, is there broader interest in a private forum where ideas can be discussed?

Best,

Atlas
Message: Posted by: kinesis (Jun 24, 2014 11:32AM)
[quote]On Jun 24, 2014, MagicAtlas wrote:
[quote]On Jun 23, 2014, Gourmet wrote:
@Atlas
Can you install a purchasers forum that gives home to discussions around the train tracking routine, possible applications/ideas and the adaption /translation to other languages?

I think the group effort in that way could add a lot in learning the routine. [/quote]

Yes, I think I can manage that. The easiest route forward will probably be a private Facebook group.

Out of curiosity, is there broader interest in a private forum where ideas can be discussed?

Best,

Atlas [/quote]

That's a YES from me Atlas.
Message: Posted by: Knobz1 (Jun 24, 2014 11:33AM)
[quote]On Jun 24, 2014, MagicAtlas wrote:
[quote]On Jun 23, 2014, Gourmet wrote:
@Atlas
Can you install a purchasers forum that gives home to discussions around the train tracking routine, possible applications/ideas and the adaption /translation to other languages?

I think the group effort in that way could add a lot in learning the routine. [/quote]

Yes, I think I can manage that. The easiest route forward will probably be a private Facebook group.

Out of curiosity, is there broader interest in a private forum where ideas can be discussed?

Best,

Atlas [/quote]I'm cool with either Facebook or a private forum. So either one is fine with me.
Message: Posted by: Jeff Wassom (Jun 24, 2014 11:46AM)
A private forum or facebook group would be cool for sure!
Message: Posted by: jaizon (Jun 24, 2014 11:59AM)
I absolutely second that idea! Should be private for sure.
Message: Posted by: CSK Sr (Jun 24, 2014 12:15PM)
The private Facebook page was very helpful for those who purchased The Prodigal, and I believe the same would be true for those who purchase Train Tracking.

CSK Sr.
Message: Posted by: Gourmet (Jun 24, 2014 12:19PM)
I would definitely prefer a forum instead a Facebook group to be honest.

Following the different threads should be much easier than in a fb group.
Message: Posted by: sandsjr (Jun 24, 2014 12:27PM)
[quote]On Jun 24, 2014, Gourmet wrote:
I would definitely prefer a forum instead a Facebook group to be honest.

Following the different threads should be much easier than in a fb group. [/quote]

Same here.
Message: Posted by: psychomind (Jun 24, 2014 12:49PM)
Love the idea of private forum :)
Message: Posted by: Rolyan (Jun 24, 2014 01:05PM)
[quote]On Jun 24, 2014, MagicAtlas wrote:
Out of curiosity, is there broader interest in a private forum where ideas can be discussed?

Best,

Atlas [/quote]
Oh yes, but preferably not Facebook. I'm not on it and don't want to be!
Message: Posted by: fadattf (Jun 24, 2014 01:40PM)
[quote]On Jun 24, 2014, MagicAtlas wrote:
Out of curiosity, is there broader interest in a private forum where ideas can be discussed?
[/quote]

I've discussed the "translation thing" with Gourmet and I'd also suggest a private forum.
That would have the benefit for a more structured discussion and you can make subsections for different languages and/or products of yours.
Beside of that I don't have a fb account :P
Message: Posted by: jaizon (Jun 24, 2014 02:37PM)
Okay. I'm easy. I'll go along with the forum idea.
Message: Posted by: morgaine_le_fey (Jun 24, 2014 02:40PM)
Being a newbie on Penny, I'll be happy to even be considered by Atlas.
:fruity:
Message: Posted by: Funnybaldbloke (Jun 24, 2014 02:46PM)
Another vote for a forum and against Facebook!
Message: Posted by: TM (Jun 24, 2014 03:18PM)
Hi Atlas, sent you a message.
Best
Message: Posted by: Investigative Mentalist (Jun 24, 2014 03:31PM)
Put me down as another "old fart" who is Anti-Facebook and Pro-Forum. I know that makes me "so 20th Century" as the kids say, but I go on FB only a couple times per year to wish my kids happy birthday on their FB page and other than that I have no interest in it, I never see any of the messages that people send me on FB.

Now get off my lawn! LOL
Message: Posted by: CSArscott (Jun 24, 2014 04:19PM)
I agree a private forum would be great for tracking individual topics , however facebook does provide the security, administration and hosting for free with little work to create and maintain.

I also hardly ever use facebook.
Message: Posted by: sandsjr (Jun 24, 2014 04:22PM)
[quote]On Jun 24, 2014, CSArscott wrote:
...facebook does provide the security, administration and hosting for free...
[/quote]

I didn't realize there were issues with security here or that there was a fee. I'm not a facebook user to any degree myself but am down with whatever is deemed the best way to go.
Message: Posted by: Investigative Mentalist (Jun 24, 2014 04:49PM)
I own a dedicated web server. I would be willing to host and admin a private forum for Train Tracking owners for free (especially if it means I don't have to use FaceBook!)

I'm an experienced "computer geek," I've been working online since 1995 but I don't like FaceBook.
Message: Posted by: sandsjr (Jun 24, 2014 05:01PM)
Funny Steve, Im a programmer as well but for some reason am put off by Facebook too. Haven't ever bothered to analyze why... I just don't like the format for some reason.

That's interesting.
Message: Posted by: Sreidy (Jun 24, 2014 09:51PM)
Another vote for non Facebook. Like most people I too have an account. I almost never go on there either and am contemplating deleting it. A better option in my opinion would be an exclusive forum. Not only will it have the option to grow in itself as a platform but would have more flexibility and room to move as well as adding deeper and broader discussions to certain areas for the student. This will allow for topics to be categorised and have many other arms of discussion rather than just the one.
Message: Posted by: C.J. (Jun 25, 2014 12:51AM)
Adding another vote for the non-Facebook option. Groups on FB don't structure conversations logically, and I've noticed that recent changes also default to showing "top comments" rather than ordering them chronologically. This makes following trains of thought quite challenging, even for Train Trackers. I have a feeling FB has moved this way intentionally to discourage people from "conversing" in comments sections.
Message: Posted by: Investigative Mentalist (Jun 26, 2014 10:23AM)
Atlas took me up on my offer to set up and host a private forum for Train Tracking owners. (yay, no Facebook!)

The forum will be up and running today or tomorrow.

There will be no registration page, verified owners of Train Tracking will be manually registered to the forum.
There will be no other way to get in.
Message: Posted by: Magic.Maddy (Jun 26, 2014 11:26AM)
[quote]On Jun 26, 2014, SeattleSteve wrote:
Atlas took me up on my offer to set up and host a private forum for Train Tracking owners. (yay, no Facebook!)

The forum will be up and running today or tomorrow.

There will be no registration page, verified owners of Train Tracking will be manually registered to the forum.
There will be no other way to get in. [/quote]


Awesome news.
Message: Posted by: CSArscott (Jun 26, 2014 11:31AM)
This just keeps getting better!
Message: Posted by: Knobz1 (Jun 26, 2014 12:23PM)
Good to hear. Thanks for the update.
Message: Posted by: roblane (Jun 27, 2014 12:35AM)
That's brilliant, I don't do 'bookface' either, but hope to be train trackin' soon!
Message: Posted by: Heka Siosiri (Jun 27, 2014 01:43AM)
I'm in for either the forum or facebook... or both.
Message: Posted by: Gourmet (Jun 27, 2014 03:53AM)
[quote]On Jun 26, 2014, Magic.Maddy wrote:
[quote]On Jun 26, 2014, SeattleSteve wrote:
Atlas took me up on my offer to set up and host a private forum for Train Tracking owners. (yay, no Facebook!)

The forum will be up and running today or tomorrow.

There will be no registration page, verified owners of Train Tracking will be manually registered to the forum.
There will be no other way to get in. [/quote]




Awesome news. [/quote]



Indeed!
Message: Posted by: jaizon (Jun 27, 2014 08:06AM)
[quote]On Jun 26, 2014, SeattleSteve wrote:
Atlas took me up on my offer to set up and host a private forum for Train Tracking owners. (yay, no Facebook!)

The forum will be up and running today or tomorrow.

There will be no registration page, verified owners of Train Tracking will be manually registered to the forum.
There will be no other way to get in. [/quote]


Steve, is this up and running yet? Thanks.

Preston
Message: Posted by: Investigative Mentalist (Jun 27, 2014 09:19AM)
[quote]On Jun 27, 2014, jaizon wrote:
[quote]On Jun 26, 2014, SeattleSteve wrote:
Atlas took me up on my offer to set up and host a private forum for Train Tracking owners. (yay, no Facebook!)

The forum will be up and running today or tomorrow.

There will be no registration page, verified owners of Train Tracking will be manually registered to the forum.
There will be no other way to get in. [/quote]


Steve, is this up and running yet? Thanks.

Preston [/quote]

Yes the forum is now up and running, but I need to go over it with Atlas to show him how to register the members.

I assume that those of you who have pre-ordered the books will be added to the forum soon.

Since each member has to be registered one at a time by hand it will take some time, but that's the best way to maintain strict security of the forum.
Message: Posted by: Jeff Wassom (Jun 27, 2014 09:20AM)
Thanks for your work SeattleSteve, you da man.
Message: Posted by: Investigative Mentalist (Jun 27, 2014 09:27AM)
Here is the website for the forum:

http://traintrackingforum.com/

Nothing fancy, just a simple forum similar to the Café where TT owners can post questions, suggestions, ideas, etc.
Message: Posted by: fadattf (Jun 27, 2014 09:53AM)
[quote]On Jun 27, 2014, SeattleSteve wrote:
Here is the website for the forum:

http://traintrackingforum.com/

Nothing fancy, just a simple forum similar to the Café where TT owners can post questions, suggestions, ideas, etc. [/quote]
Thanks, PW do we get with the book or do we have to PM you or Atlas?
Message: Posted by: Investigative Mentalist (Jun 27, 2014 09:56AM)
[quote]On Jun 27, 2014, fadattf wrote:
[quote]On Jun 27, 2014, SeattleSteve wrote:
Here is the website for the forum:

http://traintrackingforum.com/

Nothing fancy, just a simple forum similar to the Café where TT owners can post questions, suggestions, ideas, etc. [/quote]
Thanks, PW do we get with the book or do we have to PM you or Atlas? [/quote]

I will discuss this with Atlas, we have not had time to Skype yet this week. As you can see, this all happened in the last couple of days and the
TT books don't ship until next month, so there is plenty of time to work out the details. All book owners will be contacted with forum login info.
Message: Posted by: Jeff Wassom (Jun 27, 2014 10:10AM)
[quote]On Jun 27, 2014, SeattleSteve wrote:
Nothing fancy, just a simple forum similar to the Café where TT owners can post questions, suggestions, ideas, etc. [/quote]

Very generous of both You and Atlas just the same. I didn't expect anything beyond the book.
Message: Posted by: psychomind (Jun 27, 2014 11:44AM)
[quote]On Jun 27, 2014, SeattleSteve wrote:
Here is the website for the forum:

http://traintrackingforum.com/

Nothing fancy, just a simple forum similar to the Café where TT owners can post questions, suggestions, ideas, etc. [/quote]

Thanks You Very Much :)
Message: Posted by: magus (Jun 27, 2014 12:51PM)
Up and running in a day!
Fast work Seattlesteve, thanks.
Message: Posted by: Atlas (Jun 27, 2014 04:10PM)
We all owe a debt of gratitude to Steve.

He contacted me and very graciously offered to both set up and host the forum. I'm tremendously humbled by his generosity and willingness to donate his time and expertise to help with this endeavour. As I wrote in 'The Last Stop', there are so many really good hearted people out there in mentalism, and I'm genuinely and truly glad to know each of you.

We'll arrange the details for the forum in the coming weeks and keep you all appraised.

Best,

Atlas
Message: Posted by: kinesis (Jun 27, 2014 04:24PM)
WOW, what a train journey this is turning out to be. Thanks Steve.
Message: Posted by: Investigative Mentalist (Jun 27, 2014 04:30PM)
Finally had my Skype session with Atlas and the train tracking experience was just as awesome as everyone else has said.

My word was "mortgage" ... NOT an easy word to guess!

And he did it again with a totally unrelated word and revealed many other words I had thought of during the process.

Amazing stuff!

Regarding the forum, Atlas is VERY busy right now wrapping up the book, getting it printed and ready to ship.

So don't expect anything to happen with the TT owners forum until a couple weeks AFTER the books have shipped and you've had a chance to read it.

Just know that the forum will be ready for you after you've had time to digest the book.
Message: Posted by: sandsjr (Jun 27, 2014 04:34PM)
One good deed deserves another. If it's OK with Steve, it might be a nice gesture if each of us that spent close to $300.00 on this book kick in another measly $5.00 and paypal it over to Steve. That would pay for server rent and a bit of his time.

Steve where I can I send you my 5 bucks?
Message: Posted by: CSArscott (Jun 27, 2014 04:44PM)
I agree, this has to be one of the most supportive and freindly communities I have found.
Message: Posted by: Investigative Mentalist (Jun 27, 2014 05:01PM)
[quote]On Jun 27, 2014, sandsjr wrote:
One good deed deserves another. If it's OK with Steve, it might be a nice gesture if each of us that spent close to $300.00 on this book kick in another measly $5.00 and paypal it over to Steve. That would pay for server rent and a bit of his time.

Steve where I can I send you my 5 bucks? [/quote]

I really appreciate the offer. Atlas was also VERY appreciative about me setting up the forum in our Skype session.

I see it as a win-win situation, it helps me to have the forum and since it was relatively easy for me to set it up I was happy to do it.

I'm NOT asking for any donations, but if it makes you feel better I will go ahead and PM you my Paypal address and I'll drink a beer in your honor. :-)
Message: Posted by: sandsjr (Jun 27, 2014 05:09PM)
Send it!
Message: Posted by: Gaunt (Jun 27, 2014 05:17PM)
I want to contribute. Please PM it to me, Steve.
Message: Posted by: boboswitch (Jun 27, 2014 06:50PM)
Steve,

I want to contribute also. Will look for your PM.

Frank
Message: Posted by: Investigative Mentalist (Jun 27, 2014 07:23PM)
Ok guys, I really appreciate the kind thoughts, but I DO NOT want this thread to turn into a "TT Owners Forum fund-raising telethon!" LOL

Honestly, there is NO need to send any money, I'm happy to host the forum because it benefits me and all the other TT owners.
Message: Posted by: Atlas (Jun 28, 2014 02:59AM)
I'm going to be at Magick Enterprises in Sheffield today. If anyone is local and wants to meet up and see Train Tracking, feel free to head over.

Best,

Atlas
Message: Posted by: TM (Jun 28, 2014 10:45AM)
Hi Atlas, I sent a message to you couple of times. Still havent heard back. Really interested!

Thanks
Message: Posted by: Magic.Maddy (Jun 30, 2014 02:25PM)
Obviously Atlas is extremely busy making sure everything gets done in time for this release. So this question is to anyone who knows a little about Train Tracking.

Is the performance video given elsewhere an extension of Train Tracking? Does it involve TT in some way? Or is that a completely different routine/method altogether?

If you think it reveals too much to say, then that's fine. Just ignore this and carry on :)
Message: Posted by: C.J. (Jun 30, 2014 03:22PM)
I don't believe there is currently a performance video of Train Tracking. I'm not sure which video you're referring to, but the chances are it's not related to this effect.
Message: Posted by: Magic.Maddy (Jun 30, 2014 03:34PM)
[quote]On Jun 30, 2014, C.J. wrote:
I don't believe there is currently a performance video of Train Tracking. I'm not sure which video you're referring to, but the chances are it's not related to this effect. [/quote]


I was referring to the one posted earlier. Wishing you were here. The bonus effect. Sorry if I caused confusion.
Message: Posted by: C.J. (Jun 30, 2014 07:39PM)
Oh, I see. No, the bonus effect doesn't use the TT method at all. It is literally a bonus free effect added to the book.
Message: Posted by: Magic.Maddy (Jun 30, 2014 07:55PM)
[quote]On Jun 30, 2014, C.J. wrote:
Oh, I see. No, the bonus effect doesn't use the TT method at all. It is literally a bonus free effect added to the book. [/quote]

Alrighty that's what I was thinking at first but then I thought it may have been used as PS to get those answers.

Thanks for the info!
Message: Posted by: jaizon (Jun 30, 2014 10:06PM)
Atlas on FCM in 2 weeks w/Peter Turner. Maybe he'll do a live TT if we ask nicely. ;)
Message: Posted by: Magic.Maddy (Jun 30, 2014 10:10PM)
[quote]On Jun 30, 2014, jaizon wrote:
Atlas on FCM in 2 weeks w/Peter Turner. Maybe he'll do a live TT if we ask nicely. ;) [/quote]
FCM?
Message: Posted by: Heka Siosiri (Jul 1, 2014 12:59AM)
[quote]On Jun 30, 2014, Magic.Maddy wrote:
[quote]On Jun 30, 2014, jaizon wrote:
Atlas on FCM in 2 weeks w/Peter Turner. Maybe he'll do a live TT if we ask nicely. ;) [/quote]
FCM? [/quote]

Full Circle Magic
Message: Posted by: Magic.Maddy (Jul 1, 2014 01:01AM)
[quote]On Jul 1, 2014, Heka Siosiri wrote:
[quote]On Jun 30, 2014, Magic.Maddy wrote:
[quote]On Jun 30, 2014, jaizon wrote:
Atlas on FCM in 2 weeks w/Peter Turner. Maybe he'll do a live TT if we ask nicely. ;) [/quote]
FCM? [/quote]

Full Circle Magic [/quote]


Thank you.
Message: Posted by: Rolyan (Jul 1, 2014 07:01AM)
[quote]On Jun 30, 2014, jaizon wrote:
Atlas on FCM in 2 weeks w/Peter Turner. Maybe he'll do a live TT if we ask nicely. ;) [/quote]
Or those lucky enough to be going to Newcastle in less than 2 weeks can sit and chat with Peter and Atlas and Colin and Luke and Michael and Ben etc etc etc.

It's going to be good.
Message: Posted by: jaizon (Jul 1, 2014 07:15AM)
[quote]On Jul 1, 2014, Rolyan wrote:
[quote]On Jun 30, 2014, jaizon wrote:
Atlas on FCM in 2 weeks w/Peter Turner. Maybe he'll do a live TT if we ask nicely. ;) [/quote]
Or those lucky enough to be going to Newcastle in less than 2 weeks can sit and chat with Peter and Atlas and Colin and Luke and Michael and Ben etc etc etc.

It's going to be good. [/quote]

Go ahead. Rub it in. Seems my wife doesn't think my flying across the pond for a "magic get together" is worth the money. I tried explaining but she just doesn't get it. It also seems a bit unfair the the UK seems to have more than their fair share of mentalists. Oh, well. hahahahahah Wish I could be there.

Preston
Message: Posted by: C.J. (Jul 2, 2014 01:26AM)
Atlas only recently moved to the UK from the states. There seems to be something brewing. A gathering. I wonder if this is somehow like The Highlander, and they are all converging to fight until only one remains...? :yikes:
Message: Posted by: Rolyan (Jul 3, 2014 07:04AM)
[quote]On Jul 1, 2014, jaizon wrote:
[quote]On Jul 1, 2014, Rolyan wrote:
[quote]On Jun 30, 2014, jaizon wrote:
Atlas on FCM in 2 weeks w/Peter Turner. Maybe he'll do a live TT if we ask nicely. ;) [/quote]
Or those lucky enough to be going to Newcastle in less than 2 weeks can sit and chat with Peter and Atlas and Colin and Luke and Michael and Ben etc etc etc.

It's going to be good. [/quote]

Go ahead. Rub it in. Seems my wife doesn't think my flying across the pond for a "magic get together" is worth the money. I tried explaining but she just doesn't get it. It also seems a bit unfair the the UK seems to have more than their fair share of mentalists. Oh, well. hahahahahah Wish I could be there.

Preston [/quote]
I'll be sitting with Pete, in the bar, having a drink, tomorrow night (4th July) after his lecture. I'll mention your disappointment.
Message: Posted by: Ben Blau (Jul 3, 2014 09:37PM)
Personally, I'd rather that he doesn't do a video demonstration of Train Tracking. All it will accomplish is to provoke speculation and discussion about method.
Message: Posted by: psychomind (Jul 4, 2014 07:38AM)
[quote]On Jul 3, 2014, Ben Blau wrote:
Personally, I'd rather that he doesn't do a video demonstration of Train Tracking. All it will accomplish is to provoke speculation and discussion about method. [/quote]

I agree with you Ben :)
Message: Posted by: SolidSnake (Jul 4, 2014 12:55PM)
Where is détails of newcastle meetup?
Message: Posted by: Magic.Maddy (Jul 4, 2014 03:18PM)
I'm excited that it's already July 4th, that means we are that much closer to this release :)

Happy July 4th everyone!
Message: Posted by: lunatik (Jul 4, 2014 05:46PM)
How many are left out of the 200?
Message: Posted by: Investigative Mentalist (Jul 4, 2014 05:55PM)
[quote]On Jul 4, 2014, psychomind wrote:
[quote]On Jul 3, 2014, Ben Blau wrote:
Personally, I'd rather that he doesn't do a video demonstration of Train Tracking. All it will accomplish is to provoke speculation and discussion about method. [/quote]

I agree with you Ben :) [/quote]

I agree as well. Keep TT under wraps as long as possible.
Message: Posted by: Rolyan (Jul 5, 2014 06:34AM)
[quote]On Jul 4, 2014, Clel-Mentalist wrote:
Where is détails of newcastle meetup? [/quote]
I'm not sure if there are any places left, but if you contact Michael Murray he'll know. I was talking to Pete Turner about it last night and it's going to be good. Apart from the lectures, the amount of new material being released is amazing.
Message: Posted by: Daren (Jul 6, 2014 10:05AM)
Can this train tracking effect be done in a strolling type event?
Message: Posted by: Looch (Jul 6, 2014 10:26AM)
[quote]On Jul 6, 2014, Daren wrote:
Can this train tracking effect be done in a strolling type event? [/quote]

Of course, its completely impromptu, once you've learnt how to do it
Message: Posted by: Daren (Jul 7, 2014 03:33AM)
I have pre-ordered this and cannot wait!!! sounds incredible
Message: Posted by: ♠Sylar♠ (Jul 8, 2014 05:09AM)
Finally managed to order Train Tracking and I have to say I cannot wait for it to get here. I was on the phone with Atlas discussing a project a couple of days ago and he offers to train track me. Or course I said yes as I wanted to experience it for myself. Atlas asked me to think of anything and I thought of the word "Monster". Not only did he guess the word but also told me thoughts that I had before revealing the word.

As I told Atlas, this looks like the closest thing to what we consider "The Holy Grail", and I can't wait to get my hands on the book.

Regards,
Sylar

P.S.: thanks for train tracking me Atlas, I felt like a child again when you revealed my word.
Message: Posted by: Daren (Jul 8, 2014 07:11AM)
I wanna be train tracked! I have this on order and cannot wait!
Message: Posted by: jbadman (Jul 8, 2014 10:48AM)
Me too - but I don't feel I can order this until I've seen or experienced it; it's a lot of money to commit to something I know very little about... it sounds fantastic, I have to admit...
Message: Posted by: Magic.Maddy (Jul 8, 2014 11:36AM)
[quote]On Jul 8, 2014, Daren wrote:
I wanna be train tracked! I have this on order and cannot wait! [/quote]


Same!

But so are many other people. I'm sure haha. Guess I'll just have to wait to read the secret.
Message: Posted by: magicmerlz (Jul 8, 2014 02:14PM)
Hi all

As another who has pre-ordered I would absolutely love to be properly Train Tracked before reading the book...just to experience it before learning the secret. I do miss that feeling I used to get when experiencing an effect for the first time...obviously once we gain a little knowledge this feeling can never be replaced.

It would be an absolute joy to experience the effect before reading the book...I was planning on attending Michael Murray's event in Newcastle where Atlas is lecturing, and attempt to get a performance of Train Tracking there, but I am unfortunately unable to attend. I would love Atlas to offer to perform it for everyone who has ordered as a bonus, however I realise this would be a mammoth task with 200 buyers to please, but I would happily delay reading the book until experiencing it.

Matt
Message: Posted by: IAIN (Jul 8, 2014 04:03PM)
Why don't you guys set up some kind of chain where one set of people agree to read the book first and use another person who has bought it as a test subject? then rinse and repeat...
Message: Posted by: magicmerlz (Jul 8, 2014 04:08PM)
[quote]On Jul 8, 2014, IAIN wrote:
Why don't you guys set up some kind of chain where one set of people agree to read the book first and use another person who has bought it as a test subject? then rinse and repeat... [/quote]

Not a bad idea...I'm in as a test subject.

Anyone else?
Message: Posted by: IAIN (Jul 8, 2014 04:24PM)
I may treat myself to a copy next month if there's any left...but I've just bought myself a nice resonator guitar and a tablet this month, and some books, so I'm being good for the rest of the month...

i think they've set up a forum for this work though, so I'm sure you guys can set something up on there if there's interest...
Message: Posted by: jbadman (Jul 8, 2014 04:48PM)
Well Atlas just train-tracked me. Something I very much appreciate since he must be extremely busy with this, and with requests from others too.

I'll be as vague as everyone else, out of respect for his method and concept but suffice to say I thought of a word ('Football') and he nailed it as well as several others.

As a magician you'll probably catch some glimpses of the method but you won't possibly conceive the entire system required for this, or the range of techniques needed to do this properly. I was fully prepared to be disappointed by this simply because these things rarely live up to the hype - but I wasn't - and instead, instead I feel quite inspired by the whole experience.

Simply put, this is truly excellent and best of all, is entirely prop-free; something that once learnt, will be always with you, forever.

Jamie
Message: Posted by: Magic.Maddy (Jul 8, 2014 05:00PM)
I've just been train tracked and it was incredible. I picked a word that was very hard for Atlas (Sword) but he still nailed it!

The presentation with this makes so much sense. I love everything about it. It will definitely take some work but I don't believe the memorization will be THAT hard.

Atlas was also kind enough to share some of his other ideas using the train tracking and they are great. You can tell a stranger their birthday, PIN code, etc with extreme accuracy. It's amazing. He also shared with me an idea for using this on stage. It is great too. You can tell 3 people their thoughts from the audience. You describe exactly what they are picturing. It's perfect.

Atlas also pointed out that it has it's own safety net. Even if you can't get their word, you will get SO many other thoughts that if you can't get their first word, it would still be extremely powerful.


When Atlas started revealing all of my thoughts, it was almost overwhelming! He told me about 10 thoughts I had one right after the other. It was insane.



Guys this is absolutely incredible. I agree that this is almost the holy grail. I am definitely going to put in the time to learn and perfect it. You don't want to miss out on the best release of the year, maybe even the decade.

As a side note: Atlas informed me that he believes shipping will start on Monday! He also informed me that he thinks he only has around 50 copies left so if you guys want one, you need to hurry before they're gone!
Message: Posted by: Investigative Mentalist (Jul 8, 2014 05:08PM)
Atlas is very generous with his time in demonstrating TT for so many people (including me).

He also has some cool ideas for the TT owners forum that I have set up for him.

We are going to create multiple membership levels and you will have to pass a test to get to the next level and more advanced training.

The idea is provide a carrot to encourage TT owners to really learn to master the material, so you don't just buy the book, read through it once and set it on a shelf.
Message: Posted by: Magic.Maddy (Jul 8, 2014 05:10PM)
[quote]On Jul 8, 2014, SeattleSteve wrote:
Atlas is very generous with his time in demonstrating TT for so many people (including me).

He also has some cool ideas for the TT owners forum that I have set up for him.

We are going to create multiple membership levels and you will have to pass a test to get to the next level and more advanced training.

The idea is provide a carrot to encourage TT owners to really learn to master the material, so you don't just buy the book, read through it once and set it on a shelf. [/quote]



Sounds like a great idea!
Message: Posted by: Martin Pulman (Jul 8, 2014 06:11PM)
So, Train Tracking will allow us a totally impromptu method to reveal not only thought of words, but pin codes, birthdays etc! If it wasn't an Atlas Brookings release I would be beginning to harbour serious doubts about this effect. It just sounds too good to be true. However, it is an Atlas Brookings release, and we all know he has always delivered the goods. I'm so happy this is going to be a strictly limited release. The fewer trains on the track, the safer we'll all be!
Message: Posted by: SolidSnake (Jul 8, 2014 07:59PM)
Lmao, I keep hearing from people about his whole - glad it's a limited release. The main reasons I hear are as follows:

1) A limited release or expensive release will stop lay people finding out. Yea and so will a $10 magic book. If someone is interested in something they will buy a book etc - yea a casual interest may stop an expensive purchase but that's it. Those not that interested or that don't want to perform magic will not pay even $1 to learn a secret out of simple curiosity. I have yet to meet a lay person that has read Annemann or even heard of him. It's simple - I have no interest in say Cricket, so why would I buy a book on Cricket?

2) A limited release or expensive will help to keep the effect pure/non diluted/away from amateurs. Well to me this is elitist nonsense. Why should an effect only be available to those with a large budget or lucky enough to purchase at a designated time and place? Nothing will be diluted by an amateur learning and practicing an effect. They are in a completely different market to a professional - mostly entertaining themselves and maybe friends and family. A pro is going out and working. Nothing is taken away from a pro by an amateur learning and maybe he too will be a pro one day.

This is my little rant. I have nothing against Atlas or anyone else that chooses to do business in whatever way they want. I just think that this whole limited special edition stuff is nonsense. I'd even go as far to hazard a guess and say that books that are limited and expensive may be that way for much more mundane reasons. Such as - price to print a book, number of prints available at price, how many might be sold etc.

If I were releasing an effect - no matter how great I thought it was - I would at least try to make it available to anyone that wanted it. Yea, I might charge what I think it is worth but I wouldn't make it a limited 100 people ever can only get it. I'd just make a pdf and be done with it.

My little rant over - feel free to flame me for my thoughts on this. I hope that Atlas has a successful release and I look forward to reading some reviews and making an informed decision - if there are any copies left!
Message: Posted by: ZachDavenport (Jul 8, 2014 08:14PM)
I think that the reason is because he wants to keep the secret of the trick under wraps. He does not want any fool with money to be able to learn the secret. Also from what I understand it takes a lot of dedication to learn to do it, so he did not want to let people know how to do it who will not learn to do it.
Message: Posted by: IAIN (Jul 8, 2014 08:16PM)
Hey! I'm a fool, and I have money - lemme buy it!
Message: Posted by: IAIN (Jul 8, 2014 08:17PM)
I thought it said on an earlier page, that there is a mild vetting process involved too...
Message: Posted by: mastermindreader (Jul 8, 2014 08:20PM)
Where would you all be today if Annemann, Corinda, Henry Hay, Devant, Professor Hoffman, et al, had only produced limited editions?

Limited editions are fine, I guess, but they really do nothing to advance the art, simply because they generally cannot become influential works or be a part of the body of knowledge upon which future works are based and from which they are inspired.
Message: Posted by: Martin Pulman (Jul 9, 2014 02:10AM)
[quote]On Jul 8, 2014, mastermindreader wrote:

Limited editions are fine, I guess, but they really do nothing to advance the art, simply because they generally cannot become influential works or be a part of the body of knowledge upon which future works are based and from which they are inspired. [/quote]

It could be argued the two routines in the limited first edition of 'Pure Effect', which were excluded from future editions, did more to influence and, arguably, advance mentalism in the Uk than any publication in the last 50 years.
Message: Posted by: MrThomas (Jul 9, 2014 02:54AM)
[quote]On Jul 8, 2014, magicmerlz wrote:
As another who has pre-ordered I would absolutely love to be properly Train Tracked before reading the book...just to experience it before learning the secret. I do miss that feeling I used to get when experiencing an effect for the first time...obviously once we gain a little knowledge this feeling can never be replaced.[/quote]

[quote]On Jul 8, 2014, magicmerlz wrote:
Not a bad idea...I'm in as a test subject.
Anyone else? [/quote]

Me too! :)
I think, many people here share your point Matt. I do at least. So my name can be put on the imaginary list of "TT test subjects" as well. That concept of training, for more experienced Trackers, with test subjects (who already own a copy but delay to read the method) should be included as a subsection in the TT-board.

Thomas
Message: Posted by: NeilS (Jul 9, 2014 06:25AM)
I have just bought my ticket to go train tracking - getting ready for what promises to be a fascinating journey.
Message: Posted by: Rolyan (Jul 9, 2014 06:44AM)
[quote]On Jul 9, 2014, Martin Pulman wrote:
[quote]On Jul 8, 2014, mastermindreader wrote:

Limited editions are fine, I guess, but they really do nothing to advance the art, simply because they generally cannot become influential works or be a part of the body of knowledge upon which future works are based and from which they are inspired. [/quote]

It could be argued the two routines in the limited first edition of 'Pure Effect', which were excluded from future editions, did more to influence and, arguably, advance mentalism in the Uk than any publication in the last 50 years. [/quote]
Really? You honestly believe that?
Message: Posted by: IAIN (Jul 9, 2014 06:55AM)
[quote]On Jul 9, 2014, Martin Pulman wrote:

It could be argued the two routines in the limited first edition of 'Pure Effect', which were excluded from future editions, did more to influence and, arguably, advance mentalism in the Uk than any publication in the last 50 years. [/quote]

in your opinion, in what way? both techniques had been previously published in other effects/presentations...
Message: Posted by: Martin Pulman (Jul 9, 2014 08:59AM)
[quote]On Jul 9, 2014, IAIN wrote:
[quote]On Jul 9, 2014, Martin Pulman wrote:

It could be argued the two routines in the limited first edition of 'Pure Effect', which were excluded from future editions, did more to influence and, arguably, advance mentalism in the Uk than any publication in the last 50 years. [/quote]

in your opinion, in what way? both techniques had been previously published in other effects/presentations... [/quote]

You are quite right that neither routine was original in its method, though it could be argued that Reminiscence took a certain technique and pushed it to uncharted waters. I would argue that Derren's work arrived in the right place at the right time (just after the first Blaine special), and its influence has been enormous.

As many people here remember, mentalism -at least in a UK context- was very much a minority interest in the magic field until the late 90s. The choice of books on the subject was limited in the extreme. Dealers would look at you with a rather withering, distrusting stare if you requested mentalism material. When Derren gave his International lecture in 1999(?) it felt like a breath of fresh air. It seemed utterly vital and new. His message of invisible compromise and pure effect had the force of a rallying call. His material may have been a mash-up of Canasta, Geller, Hilford and Knepper but it had never been embodied so perfectly in one individual. And an individual with such showmanship.

It was the transmission of Derren's first series Mind Control that kicked off the current mania for mentalism in the UK, particularly of the psychological/NLP variety. Magicians keen to jump on the new bandwagon naturally turned to Derren's book and, finding that two routines had been removed became desperate to find them (no change there then!). I remember a, now very well known, mentalist begging me for a photocopy of both routines. I didn't supply them but soon after he was publishing his own work written in a distinctly Derren manner-and most of the material used the techniques in the missing two routines. I would argue that all of the new young(isn) Uk mentalists are in debt to Pure Effect and its influence-whether they know it or not.

I write all of the above in a UK context, of course. But then, I don't think it is coincidence that much of the most exciting new activity in the field in recent years has originated in the Uk. Or that the focus of that activity has been extending the concept of invisible compromise and pushing the principles employed in Lift and Reminsiscence to dizzy, sometimes uncomfortable, heights.
Message: Posted by: mastermindreader (Jul 9, 2014 12:19PM)
In the sense that limited editions by notable performers/creators are often widely, and many times illegally, shared, they do to an extent become part of the main body of work in mentalism. But, more often than not, most limited releases are simply forgotten after a year or so.

And it's hardly surprising that material released in limited editions is often innocently reinvented by those who have to access to the work.
Message: Posted by: sjrw (Jul 9, 2014 12:24PM)
I'm in a similar boat. This sounds fantastic, but I'd really love to experience it before I buy.
Message: Posted by: Magic.Maddy (Jul 9, 2014 04:23PM)
So I've now had a good nights sleep since I was train tracked.

Now I'm even more fooled than yesterday. I'm trying to think back on the process and work out how in the world he knew my word... I understand bits and pieces, but goodness, I don't see how it is possible. When I try to back track, I just don't get it. This is killer.
Message: Posted by: SolidSnake (Jul 10, 2014 01:26AM)
Can someone described what the effect actually is? Sometimes people are saying it is diving a thought of word.

Then other times people mention diving multiple words. Then there is mention of 3 person version that makes you think of 1 ahe*d.

Does the performer write anything? Is there multiple reveals? Would be useful if someone could write a good description.

However, in this day and age - if it is soo good, why is there not a simple video to watch? Some have said that the method takes a lot of practice - if so a simple video won't expose it.

Fair enough if what was being sold was a collection of effects but In this case - it is one effect.
Message: Posted by: Looch (Jul 10, 2014 04:00AM)
The effect can become pretty much anything the creative mentalist wants it to become. In it's simplest terms, participant thinks of any word (nothing written down, nothing forced) and after taking them through an internal process, where they just think of things associated with their word. Within a short period of time the performer is able to reveal the thought of word. The performer is then also able to reveal every thought the participant has gone through during this internal process

For those who have experienced TT on action, most have pre- ordered a copy of the book, I think that speaks volumes

I've experienced TT many times now as I'm learning the process, it is as pure a demonstration of thought reading I've seen. A beautiful piece that Atlas has spent years perfecting, he was (and still is in many ways) unsure of whether to release this because it's his 'baby' so to speak. He's very protective of his creation and the hard work that's gone with the development. For that reason it is a limited release and will only be available to those who he knows and has invested an element of trust in his work.

With hard work and practise, they will not be disappointed! Atlas has never attempted to seek attention, praise or credit from his peers with this piece, he is putting out something that will genuinely change the way the purchasers will be able to reveal a thought.
Message: Posted by: BCE (Jul 10, 2014 08:17AM)
[quote]
However, in this day and age - if it is soo good, why is there not a simple video to watch? [/quote]

Because "in this day and age," there are already way too many videos, that's why. If I had felt Train Tracking was primarily intended for people who need just "a simple video to watch," I would not have pre-ordered it. The effect has already been described ad nauseum.
Message: Posted by: MatCult (Jul 10, 2014 08:39AM)
There's a video of Art Vanderlay cloud-sculpting and look where that ended up! I respect the "no video" stance.
Message: Posted by: fadattf (Jul 10, 2014 12:54PM)
[quote]On Jul 9, 2014, Magic.Maddy wrote:
So I've now had a good nights sleep since I was train tracked.

Now I'm even more fooled than yesterday. I'm trying to think back on the process and work out how in the world he knew my word... I understand bits and pieces, but goodness, I don't see how it is possible. When I try to back track, I just don't get it. This is killer. [/quote]

Since I have already bought some other manuscripts from Atlas I had no doubt that this will be another genius masterpiece.

But when I read such posts I can't wait to read this book...
Message: Posted by: Magic.Maddy (Jul 10, 2014 01:00PM)
[quote]On Jul 10, 2014, fadattf wrote:
[quote]On Jul 9, 2014, Magic.Maddy wrote:
So I've now had a good nights sleep since I was train tracked.

Now I'm even more fooled than yesterday. I'm trying to think back on the process and work out how in the world he knew my word... I understand bits and pieces, but goodness, I don't see how it is possible. When I try to back track, I just don't get it. This is killer. [/quote]

Since I have already bought some other manuscripts from Atlas I had no doubt that this will be another genius masterpiece.

But when I read such posts I can't wait to read this book... [/quote]


It is definitely genius. I think one of the best things about this is it's freedom. You can really jazz it. I'm sure it's different every time Atlas performs it.

I also think one of the HARDEST things about this is keeping everything straight in your head. You could write down notes but I think that would take a lot away from the effect.
Message: Posted by: Martin Pulman (Jul 10, 2014 01:11PM)
I'm glad it is going to take work. Too many mentalists are lazy. If actors can learn and remember 1400 lines of Shakespearean verse and prose when playing Hamlet, I'm sure a dedicated performer will be able to handle Train Tracking. Miracles don't come easy!
Message: Posted by: Investigative Mentalist (Jul 10, 2014 01:15PM)
[quote]On Jul 10, 2014, Martin Pulman wrote:
I'm glad it is going to take work. Too many mentalists are lazy. If actors can learn and remember 1400 lines of Shakespearean verse and prose when playing Hamlet, I'm sure a dedicated performer will be able to handle Train Tracking. Miracles don't come easy! [/quote]

This is exactly why Atlas has suggested creating multiple membership levels inside the TT owners forum.

You have to put in the time and prove it by passing a "test" to move up to the next level for more advanced training and discussion.

So there is a reward for working hard to move up the ladder to more advanced training, and the people who just buy the book and don't work at it will be "stuck" in the beginners forum.
Message: Posted by: Magic.Maddy (Jul 10, 2014 01:19PM)
[quote]On Jul 10, 2014, Martin Pulman wrote:
I'm glad it is going to take work. Too many mentalists are lazy. If actors can learn and remember 1400 lines of Shakespearean verse and prose when playing Hamlet, I'm sure a dedicated performer will be able to handle Train Tracking. Miracles don't come easy! [/quote]


I agree. But this is also a very active memorization and always changing in performance (at least it appears so)

So I think this would compare more closely to an actor leaning a new show every single day. The plot is always the same, but the script is different every time.



Also, I love the idea of multiple levels of membership, I just wonder how the test could be "cheat proof" so to speak.
Message: Posted by: fadattf (Jul 10, 2014 01:23PM)
[quote]On Jul 10, 2014, SeattleSteve wrote:
This is exactly why Atlas has suggested creating multiple membership levels inside the TT owners forum.

You have to put in the time and prove it by passing a "test" to move up to the next level for more advanced training and discussion

So there is a reward for working hard to move up the ladder to more advanced training, and the people who just buy the book and don't work at it will be "stuck" in the beginners forum. [/quote]

I like that idea - since I'm not a native english speaker I'm a but afraid to reach that level and I'm not sure how to proove the progress but I hope that there will be a section for other languages. (but I think so, since I've talked about that with Atlas and other members here)
Message: Posted by: Investigative Mentalist (Jul 10, 2014 01:43PM)
I'm just passing on the initial discussion I had with Atlas a couple weeks ago about the TT owners forum.

Atlas is very busy doing TT demos and getting the book ready to ship, so I have not had any further discussions with him.

After the books have shipped and people have had a couple weeks to read through the material, we will open up the TT owners forum and work out all the details for how to determine who is qualified to move up to the next level. Nothing is set in stone yet, this is a work in progress.

The main point I wanted to make is that Atlas is very aware that TT requires a lot of work, so he is trying to provide a "carrot" to make you work harder rather than giving you all the advanced training just by logging into a forum.

As most professional trainers know, the vast majority of people who buy their stuff will never put it to use. In fact, some won't even read the whole book or watch the videos.
This is true in all fields, whether it's magic, marketing, real estate, etc. People are inherently lazy.

So I give Atlas a lot of credit for recognizing this and trying to make sure people actually get their money's worth out of the book by giving them incentive to get more training if they prove they are doing the work.
Message: Posted by: Magic.Maddy (Jul 10, 2014 02:11PM)
Oh it's definitely brilliant. No doubt. Especially a couple of weeks after I start learning it. I'm going to need the motivation to push me and keep me going. I'm GOING to learn and perfect this. It's just going to require a lot of hard work on my part.

I'm not sure if I've thanked you, but thank you for offering to make the forum. I'm excited to see what this thing grows into :)
Message: Posted by: Mindpro (Jul 10, 2014 02:32PM)
[quote]On Jul 9, 2014, Martin Pulman wrote:

It could be argued the two routines in the limited first edition of 'Pure Effect', which were excluded from future editions, did more to influence and, arguably, advance mentalism in the Uk than any publication in the last 50 years.
[/quote]

You've got to be kidding. You don't really think that do you?
Message: Posted by: Martin Pulman (Jul 10, 2014 03:38PM)
[quote]On Jul 10, 2014, Mindpro wrote:
[quote]On Jul 9, 2014, Martin Pulman wrote:

It could be argued the two routines in the limited first edition of 'Pure Effect', which were excluded from future editions, did more to influence and, arguably, advance mentalism in the Uk than any publication in the last 50 years.
[/quote]

You've got to be kidding. You don't really think that do you? [/quote]

Hi Mindpro, I don't wish to derail the Train Tracking thread with my thoughts on Pure Effect, so I'll keep my answer brief. Obviously I was indulging in a little hyperbole (especially the 50 years bit) but, actually, the more I think about it, I do believe it to be true, for the reasons I gave above.
Message: Posted by: IAIN (Jul 10, 2014 03:55PM)
Just something I've noticed on this thread - as everyone is very excited about this release, I would ask that we all be very careful in what and how we talk about the project on this thread...

some of the comments are getting a bit close in giving minor clues...if there's a forum, which I believe there is, might be best to protect the secret and your money, by talking about it over there, rather than out in the open here?

its not even released yet - so lets be respectful towards the book and the knowledge that's being shared, I'm sure you wouldn't want to accidentally 'leak' any pertinent info to non-purchasers would you...
Message: Posted by: Magic.Maddy (Jul 10, 2014 03:58PM)
[quote]On Jul 10, 2014, IAIN wrote:
Just something I've noticed on this thread - as everyone is very excited about this release, I would ask that we all be very careful in what and how we talk about the project on this thread...

some of the comments are getting a bit close in giving minor clues...if there's a forum, which I believe there is, might be best to protect the secret and your money, by talking about it over there, rather than out in the open here?

its not even released yet - so lets be respectful towards the book and the knowledge that's being shared, I'm sure you wouldn't want to accidentally 'leak' any pertinent info to non-purchasers would you... [/quote]


The forum won't be active until a few weeks after the books are shipped.

I'm not sure what comments you're referring to, but I think everything mentioned so far is very vague.
Message: Posted by: sandsjr (Jul 10, 2014 05:35PM)
[quote]The forum won't be active until a few weeks after the books are shipped.
I'm not sure what comments you're referring to, but I think everything mentioned so far is very vague.
[/quote]

Remember this is a public forum, and, you paid a nice chunk of $$$... it's not gonna kill anyone to refrain from posting ANYTHING. Hang in another couple weeks then you can go crazy!

Anybody else with me on that?
Message: Posted by: Magic.Maddy (Jul 10, 2014 05:43PM)
[quote]On Jul 10, 2014, sandsjr wrote:
[quote]The forum won't be active until a few weeks after the books are shipped.
I'm not sure what comments you're referring to, but I think everything mentioned so far is very vague.
[/quote]

Remember this is a public forum, and, you paid a nice chunk of $$$... it's not gonna kill anyone to refrain from posting ANYTHING. Hang in another couple weeks then you can go crazy!

Anybody else with me on that? [/quote]


I agree. I'm not arguing anyone's point. I think it's great to keep this under wraps. I was just stating I don't see where anything has been revealed.
Message: Posted by: jaizon (Jul 10, 2014 06:17PM)
Atlas has just posted a photo of the book on Facebook. ;)
Message: Posted by: Heka Siosiri (Jul 10, 2014 06:48PM)
Yep seen them. Classy.
Message: Posted by: Magic.Maddy (Jul 10, 2014 06:51PM)
Love the looks of it.
Message: Posted by: Martin Pulman (Jul 11, 2014 06:44AM)
I decided to treat myself to an Atlas Brooking morning - re-read The Prodigal, Crusade and The Real Thing. What a truly great thinker he is.

Anyway, I had completely forgotten that Atlas had mentioned Train Tracking in the Real Thing manuscript. I recall hoping at the time that he would release it some day -now that day is almost upon us. If he keeps up his previous standard we could be looking at something very special indeed. In any event, we're guaranteed some elegant prose that isn't riddled with typos, which is a blessing in our e-book age!
Message: Posted by: LenaTom (Jul 11, 2014 10:01AM)
Is this only for english language or can it also be done in german?
Does anyone know this?
Message: Posted by: Investigative Mentalist (Jul 11, 2014 10:37AM)
[quote]On Jul 11, 2014, LenaTom wrote:
Is this only for english language or can it also be done in german?
Does anyone know this? [/quote]

I believe Atlas has said it only works in English.
Message: Posted by: fadattf (Jul 11, 2014 11:21AM)
[quote]On Jul 11, 2014, LenaTom wrote:
Is this only for english language or can it also be done in german?
Does anyone know this? [/quote]
I will send you later a pm in german.
Message: Posted by: phillsmiff (Jul 11, 2014 03:48PM)
I'm super excited to see this come out - I designed the graphics and the visual style of the project with Atlas and laid out the book for print, which was cool because it meant I got to read it before all of you. Muhahahahahaha!

Part of taking the brief involved being blown away by a Skype presentation of the effect from AB himself and I can confirm that it's a hell of a thing. I hope that you guys like it - the amount of work that Atlas has done on it is mind-boggling and the form it's in now is (hopefully) as accessible as possible. I think for people who do dig for the treasure, as Atlas puts it, it could be a genuine reputation maker, not to mention a solid piece to convert bookers on the phone / Skype etc. As a mentalist I'm proud to have been involved in what could be a whispered classic and as a designer I'm glad that Atlas invested in the production of the physical book (hardback, foil blocking etc) that will live up to that. Good luck guys!

Phill
Message: Posted by: TM (Jul 12, 2014 05:42AM)
Has Atlas been around? Havent heard from him in a while. I don't want to miss out on this
Message: Posted by: Rolyan (Jul 12, 2014 06:38AM)
I'm stood talking to him at this very moment, in Newcastle, having just collected my copy!
Message: Posted by: kinesis (Jul 12, 2014 06:39AM)
Atlas is busy giving out copies of TrainTracking at the Meeting of Minds. I just picked up my copy #12
Message: Posted by: Rolyan (Jul 12, 2014 06:42AM)
Mines 8. Mwah hahahaaaaa
Message: Posted by: NeilS (Jul 12, 2014 10:39AM)
I wish I could be there to receive mine but my daughter has just graduated and can't be in two places at once! I suppose I could try some remote viewing .....
Message: Posted by: fadattf (Jul 12, 2014 11:38AM)
[quote]On Jul 12, 2014, Rolyan wrote:
Mines 8. Mwah hahahaaaaa [/quote]
Can't wait to read your first impressions/thoughts about the book and I hope that all other all other who can't meet Atlas in person receive their copy soon :)
Message: Posted by: sandsjr (Jul 12, 2014 11:47AM)
[quote]On Jul 12, 2014, fadattf wrote:
Can't wait to read your first impressions/thoughts about the book and I hope that all other all other who can't meet Atlas in person receive their copy soon :) [/quote]

Don't forget, this is a searchable thread so let's keep this under wraps. Hold off on discussions till the forum opens.
Message: Posted by: fadattf (Jul 12, 2014 11:49AM)
[quote]On Jul 12, 2014, sandsjr wrote:
[quote]On Jul 12, 2014, fadattf wrote:
Can't wait to read your first impressions/thoughts about the book and I hope that all other all other who can't meet Atlas in person receive their copy soon :) [/quote]

Don't forget, this is a searchable thread so let's keep this under wraps. Hold off on discussions till the forum opens. [/quote]
Of course; only some reactions.
No need for details in here.
Message: Posted by: sandsjr (Jul 12, 2014 01:29PM)
[quote]On Jul 12, 2014, fadattf wrote:
Of course; only some reactions.
No need for details in here. [/quote]

There have been plenty of reactions over the last 15 pages. Let's keep it on the down low. Stuff can slip out unintentionally. This is a big investment we ALL owe each other the respect protect.
Message: Posted by: Rolyan (Jul 12, 2014 06:19PM)
Just been for a curry with Atlas et al at za za gabors (or some such random name). 85 mentalists packed in with hen parties, stag nights, east European beggers, drunks and mentally and socially challenged idiots arguing with pretty policewoman. Great day, great night and the book. I'm saying nothing, but the demo in his lecture had several people buying it. However, it will sort out the men from the boys I'm pleased to say.

If you know what to expect you won't be disappointed.
Message: Posted by: Rolyan (Jul 13, 2014 02:07AM)
Just gonna say this, then no more until it goes downstairs.....

Train Tracking in full will take some work to get it down like Atlas. But because he describes the evolution of the effect, the first couple of chapters will encourage those studying it. While they won't be able to Train Track after the first 40 pages, they will definitely be able to go to the station and catch a train on a reasonably long distance journey.

Once that becomes known, this will sell out. End of.
Message: Posted by: Daren (Jul 13, 2014 11:30AM)
Hopefully mine will be with me this week
Message: Posted by: Stephen Young (Jul 13, 2014 11:53AM)
Rolyan, I owe you a big apology.
In another thread some time ago I suggested that you may have been somebody else, using a different username.
I didn't get to meet you this weekend, but had I known who you were I would have spoken to you in person.
Once again big apology.

PS.

I have Train Tracking number 2
Oh yeah!
Big Circles
Big circles

Steve
Message: Posted by: Rolyan (Jul 13, 2014 12:33PM)
[quote]On Jul 13, 2014, Stephen Young wrote:
Rolyan, I owe you a big apology.
In another thread some time ago I suggested that you may have been somebody else, using a different username.
I didn't get to meet you this weekend, but had I known who you were I would have spoken to you in person.
Once again big apology.

PS.

I have Train Tracking number 2
Oh yeah!
Big Circles
Big circles

Steve [/quote]
No apology needed. I've always been true to myself but tend not to put my own name for security reasons........social security.

You looked busy yesterday helping Michael, otherwise I would have willingly chatted and swapped ideas.
Message: Posted by: celebrity (Jul 13, 2014 05:08PM)
Having been "Train Tracked" by Atlas personally I was so proud to have him perform this for the masses yesterday.

Everyone in attendance agreed that this is simply stunning.

Atlas you are a legend!
Message: Posted by: kinesis (Jul 14, 2014 07:26AM)
The brief moment of stunned silence from an audience of hardened mentalists when Atlas revealed Oliver's thoughts and finally the thought of word spoke volumes. This IS an incredibly powerful effect. It WILL take time and effort to master. You wont be performing this the day after you buy the book. But for the few that work with this material (and it is all achievable) they will have at their disposal a propless and impromptu mental miracle that will blow their competition straight out the water. Atlas, this is beyond GOLD.
Message: Posted by: Gumar Oz DuBar (Jul 14, 2014 08:53AM)
Today's the day it officially ships. Super excited.
Message: Posted by: Magic.Maddy (Jul 14, 2014 10:03AM)
Cannot wait to start reading this beauty!
Message: Posted by: RedDevil (Jul 14, 2014 11:32AM)
Is Atlas shipping these today to the US?
Message: Posted by: lucavolpe (Jul 14, 2014 04:27PM)
Waiting mine! :) happy days!
Message: Posted by: Gordon the discombobulator (Jul 14, 2014 07:34PM)
I had the book in front of me as I tried traintracking someone in an internet chat room.
I asked them to think of a simple 4 letter word and worked through the steps in the book.

Amazing responses.

Next step is to commit the processes to memory so I don't need the book in front of me.

Thanks Atlas. Your book is amazing.
Message: Posted by: CSArscott (Jul 14, 2014 07:46PM)
Can't wait for this to arrive, I live in UK so hopefully not long now!
Message: Posted by: roblane (Jul 15, 2014 04:20AM)
Watching for the postie!
Message: Posted by: NeilS (Jul 15, 2014 05:54AM)
You are not the only one Rob. :-)
Message: Posted by: smarke (Jul 15, 2014 07:05AM)
Has Atlas mentioned an official release date? I know that July 14th has been assumed, but I don't remember seeing anything official.
I'm waiting for the postman too, and hoping.
Message: Posted by: Daren (Jul 15, 2014 07:07AM)
I think they are starting to be posted today, not sure though?
Message: Posted by: phillsmiff (Jul 15, 2014 07:29AM)
As far as I know Atlas is boxing up and shipping them out, there was a picture on FB yesterday with a huge stack of packed books with the status "Making progress..." Atlas isn't a slacker, I'm sure he is going as fast as he can.
I know it's hard but: chillax.

Phill
Message: Posted by: CSArscott (Jul 15, 2014 07:53AM)
Just received royal mail tracking number, so its on its way!
Message: Posted by: smarke (Jul 15, 2014 07:55AM)
Received my tracking number too
Message: Posted by: Martin Pulman (Jul 15, 2014 08:14AM)
Sometimes I love how mentalism makes us all little kids again. We're like 5 year olds waiting on Father Christmas. I just hope this time Atlas rewards me with more than the orange and a sixpence I got in my stocking as a child!
Message: Posted by: Sean Giles (Jul 15, 2014 08:22AM)
I saw Atlas perform this at the weekend and it was amazing. The reveal just didn't seem possible and took me completely by surprise. A real highlight for me. Plus Altlas was a genuinely nice guy. Annoying 😈

Best
Sean
Message: Posted by: Stephen Young (Jul 15, 2014 09:18AM)
Seagull
Message: Posted by: Taveren001 (Jul 15, 2014 09:52PM)
I trust I am not too late to inquire about Train Tracking for purchase. It sounds like a wonderful and powerful effect that will be not only powerful for the spectator to witness, but also for the mentalist to perform for his/her spectators. I would be interested in acquiring a copy.

Thanks for any feedback or support!
Message: Posted by: kinesis (Jul 16, 2014 07:16AM)
[quote]On Jul 15, 2014, Taveren001 wrote:
I trust I am not too late to inquire about Train Tracking for purchase. It sounds like a wonderful and powerful effect that will be not only powerful for the spectator to witness, but also for the mentalist to perform for his/her spectators. I would be interested in acquiring a copy.

Thanks for any feedback or support! [/quote]

You could contact Atlas here on The Café. There can't be many copies left and there is a vetting process. Obtaining a copy is not automatic.

Derek
Message: Posted by: morgaine_le_fey (Jul 16, 2014 07:38AM)
I didn't make the grade... :bawl:
Message: Posted by: Rolyan (Jul 16, 2014 11:59AM)
[quote]On Jul 16, 2014, morgaine_le_fey wrote:
I didn't make the grade... :bawl: [/quote]
That's a shame.......you would have loved it!
Message: Posted by: fadattf (Jul 16, 2014 12:35PM)
[quote]On Jul 16, 2014, morgaine_le_fey wrote:
I didn't make the grade... :bawl: [/quote]
Sad to hear that - I don't know on what base Atlas decides who will get a copy.
I bought the most of Atlas' manuscripts so I still hope...
Message: Posted by: Daren (Jul 16, 2014 12:38PM)
I have received this book and it is phenomenal!!!! Only read a third of the book and stopped and am going to read that third again, yes it is that great, I love this!!!!
Message: Posted by: Magic.Maddy (Jul 16, 2014 12:47PM)
Was informed that mine is shipping today. Woohoo!
Message: Posted by: CSArscott (Jul 17, 2014 05:46AM)
No 37 just arrived, its going to be a long night tonight!
Message: Posted by: morgaine_le_fey (Jul 17, 2014 06:18AM)
:arg:
Can someone please move this thread to a forum where I can't have access!?
Every reply keeps on rubbing it in...
I've grown, we need to see different people, moving on, closure... :whatever:
Message: Posted by: Atlas (Jul 17, 2014 06:30AM)
Hi Everyone!

Just a quick update - I have mailed out all the books. If you have ordered one, it is in the mail. I've been so inundated with correspondence recently that I haven't been able to respond to everyone, so please don't email me or message me asking for specific details - I will check your tracking information if there is a problem.

Enjoy Train Tracking!

Best,

Atlas
Message: Posted by: Joshua Quinn (Jul 17, 2014 11:22AM)
[quote]On Jul 17, 2014, MagicAtlas wrote:
please don't email me or message me asking for specific details - I will check your tracking information if there is a problem. [/quote]

…and then you'll get to engage in Train Tracking Tracking. ;)
Message: Posted by: Mark_Chandaue (Jul 17, 2014 11:43AM)
Heard that mine is on the way. Can't wait!!!!

Mark
Message: Posted by: magicmerlz (Jul 17, 2014 12:21PM)
No 36 arrived today...will remain unopened until I experience it.
Message: Posted by: CSArscott (Jul 17, 2014 01:49PM)
I would love to do that, would Atlas have enough time to let everyone who wants to experience it though.
Message: Posted by: Investigative Mentalist (Jul 17, 2014 01:52PM)
[quote]On Jul 17, 2014, magicmerlz wrote:
No 36 arrived today...will remain unopened until I experience it. [/quote]

How about letting one of the people who have received their TT book practice on you?
Message: Posted by: AttnPls (Jul 17, 2014 03:00PM)
Good idea. I would love to experience it before opening the book!

Somebody want to practice? PM me!
Message: Posted by: Matt Chalk (Jul 17, 2014 04:18PM)
[quote]On Jul 17, 2014, MagicAtlas wrote:
so please don't email me or message me asking for specific details
[/quote]

I don't think Atlas has the time to share the beautiful gift of "Train Tracking" with everyone that has purchased it.

Atlas is obviously a very hard worker and a very busy guy. So maybe it isn't the best idea to not read the incredible manuscript in the hopes of seeing him demonstrate it for you.
Message: Posted by: magicmerlz (Jul 17, 2014 04:41PM)
[quote]On Jul 17, 2014, Matt Chalk wrote:
[quote]On Jul 17, 2014, MagicAtlas wrote:
so please don't email me or message me asking for specific details
[/quote]

I don't think Atlas has the time to share the beautiful gift of "Train Tracking" with everyone that has purchased it.

Atlas is obviously a very hard worker and a very busy guy. So maybe it isn't the best idea to not read the incredible manuscript in the hopes of seeing him demonstrate it for you. [/quote]

I certainly don't expect Atlas to demo it for every purchaser...as I said in an earlier post he is a busy guy. However I do want to experience the effect before I have an idea of method as I like to experience that 'feeling' that I will hopefully be giving my audience when I perform it on them. I think it's very important to know what is probably going through their mind at the conclusion of the effect. It can actually heighten an effect as you are able to relate to their wonder.

I will be putting myself up as a test subject on the forum when it is live.

Regards to all.

Matt
Message: Posted by: jaizon (Jul 17, 2014 05:44PM)
[quote]On Jul 17, 2014, magicmerlz wrote:
[quote]On Jul 17, 2014, Matt Chalk wrote:
[quote]On Jul 17, 2014, MagicAtlas wrote:
so please don't email me or message me asking for specific details
[/quote]

I don't think Atlas has the time to share the beautiful gift of "Train Tracking" with everyone that has purchased it.

Atlas is obviously a very hard worker and a very busy guy. So maybe it isn't the best idea to not read the incredible manuscript in the hopes of seeing him demonstrate it for you. [/quote]


I certainly don't expect Atlas to demo it for every purchaser...as I said in an earlier post he is a busy guy. However I do want to experience the effect before I have an idea of method as I like to experience that 'feeling' that I will hopefully be giving my audience when I perform it on them. I think it's very important to know what is probably going through their mind at the conclusion of the effect. It can actually heighten an effect as you are able to relate to their wonder.

I will be putting myself up as a test subject on the forum when it is live.

Regards to all.

Matt [/quote]


Matt, I will take you up on that. It is hard to find good test subjects. And I prefer to make my mistakes in private.

Preston
Message: Posted by: sandsjr (Jul 17, 2014 05:52PM)
[quote]On Jul 17, 2014, magicmerlz wrote:
[quote]On Jul 17, 2014, Matt Chalk wrote:
[quote]On Jul 17, 2014, MagicAtlas wrote:
so please don't email me or message me asking for specific details
[/quote]

I don't think Atlas has the time to share the beautiful gift of "Train Tracking" with everyone that has purchased it.

Atlas is obviously a very hard worker and a very busy guy. So maybe it isn't the best idea to not read the incredible manuscript in the hopes of seeing him demonstrate it for you. [/quote]

I certainly don't expect Atlas to demo it for every purchaser...as I said in an earlier post he is a busy guy. However I do want to experience the effect before I have an idea of method as I like to experience that 'feeling' that I will hopefully be giving my audience when I perform it on them. I think it's very important to know what is probably going through their mind at the conclusion of the effect. It can actually heighten an effect as you are able to relate to their wonder.

I will be putting myself up as a test subject on the forum when it is live.

Regards to all.

Matt [/quote]

Why would you want to experience it from someone that doesn't really "know" it? Unless I'm mistaken, this is something that's going to take time to get down pat. Maybe Atlas can do a live demo for all to see once the other forum gets setup. That way, everyone can see how it looks from someone who knows it best.
Message: Posted by: Magic.Maddy (Jul 17, 2014 06:24PM)
Sandsjr, you can do it while looking at the book without having to memorize anything. The memorization is the only real "work" in it.
Message: Posted by: sandsjr (Jul 17, 2014 06:40PM)
[quote]On Jul 17, 2014, Magic.Maddy wrote:
Sandsjr, you can do it while looking at the book without having to memorize anything. The memorization is the only real "work" in it. [/quote]

I get that but still... Let's refrain from saying anymore as not to tip anything.
Message: Posted by: ko_brian (Jul 17, 2014 09:21PM)
Is TT language sensitive?
Message: Posted by: Magic.Maddy (Jul 17, 2014 10:02PM)
[quote]On Jul 17, 2014, ko_brian wrote:
Is TT language sensitive? [/quote]


It's mentioned elsewhere in this long thread but yes it is. As of now it only work for English. However, with a lot of work and time, you should be able to develope a similar system for other languages. Just at the moment, it's only English.
Message: Posted by: ko_brian (Jul 18, 2014 12:13AM)
Thank you Magic Maddy! I just think Atlas work is awesome!
Message: Posted by: Magic.Maddy (Jul 18, 2014 12:41AM)
[quote]On Jul 18, 2014, ko_brian wrote:
Thank you Magic Maddy! I just think Atlas work is awesome! [/quote]

No problem!
Message: Posted by: Fattyownz (Jul 18, 2014 03:21AM)
Hi,

If you have ordered this book, does everyone get a tracking number ?

Thanks
Message: Posted by: Mark_Chandaue (Jul 18, 2014 04:46AM)
[quote]On Jul 18, 2014, Fattyownz wrote:
Hi,

If you have ordered this book, does everyone get a tracking number ?

Thanks [/quote]
I don't think so. Atlas said all orders have been sent and he will check the tracking info if there is a problem..

Mark
Message: Posted by: Looch (Jul 18, 2014 04:46AM)
You'd have to ask Atlas if each one is tracked, from what he said to me Wednesday all books will have a delivery confirmation, so he knows when they have all been delivered. What I definitely know is that every individual copy has been painstakingly hand marked to identify owners and act as a deterrent towards piracy. I know this because it took us ages!!!
Message: Posted by: roblane (Jul 18, 2014 05:25AM)
It just arrived at my 'platform '! Yes!!!
Message: Posted by: Daren (Jul 18, 2014 09:05AM)
Enjoy your journey!
Message: Posted by: Fattyownz (Jul 18, 2014 10:18AM)
Anyone else received theirs
Message: Posted by: fadattf (Jul 18, 2014 11:02AM)
[quote]On Jul 18, 2014, Fattyownz wrote:
Anyone else received theirs [/quote]
I didn't recieve a tracking number either nor did I get the book yet.
If I interprete Atlas' message right it is too much effort to send everybody a mail. If you don't get yours he will track it.
Message: Posted by: TM (Jul 18, 2014 01:00PM)
[quote]On Jul 17, 2014, MagicAtlas wrote:
Hi Everyone!

Just a quick update - I have mailed out all the books. If you have ordered one, it is in the mail. I've been so inundated with correspondence recently that I haven't been able to respond to everyone, so please don't email me or message me asking for specific details - I will check your tracking information if there is a problem.

Enjoy Train Tracking!

Best,


Atlas [/quote]


Hey Atlas, sent you couple of messages on the Café as well as Skype. Still waiting for a response. Thanks!
Message: Posted by: Magic.Maddy (Jul 18, 2014 01:23PM)
[quote]On Jul 18, 2014, TM wrote:
[quote]On Jul 17, 2014, MagicAtlas wrote:
Hi Everyone!

Just a quick update - I have mailed out all the books. If you have ordered one, it is in the mail. I've been so inundated with correspondence recently that I haven't been able to respond to everyone, so please don't email me or message me asking for specific details - I will check your tracking information if there is a problem.

Enjoy Train Tracking!

Best,


Atlas [/quote]


Hey Atlas, sent you couple of messages on the Café as well as Skype. Still waiting for a response. Thanks! [/quote]


Notice that in the very quote you quoted, Atlas stated not to contact him because he has been hammered with questions. :)
Message: Posted by: Investigative Mentalist (Jul 18, 2014 02:02PM)
Atlas just let me know that he wants to go live with the TT owners forum in about a week.

So those of you who have purchased the TT book, watch for an email requesting the info we need to set up your user account in the forum.

There is no registration page, I will have to add each one of you to the forum manually.

Please be patient and refrain from emailing or messaging Atlas.

The sooner he can clear out his backlog of emails and messages the sooner we can move forward on getting the TT owners forum up and running!

Then you will be able to post all the questions you want.
Message: Posted by: TM (Jul 18, 2014 02:06PM)
Magic.Maddy he said not to contact him about tracking details. I want to buy the book , and I have been waiting to hear back from him ever since. The site says that before purchasing. "If I haven't heard of you before, or haven't corresponded with you in some way, I may contact you and make sure I feel comfortable with you. If I feel as though you aren't ready for the book, I'll cancel the purchase and refund your money."
I wanted to make sure he is fine with me buying the book, and it has been more than 20 days since I have heard from him.
If he doesn't want me to buy the book/ is too busy , he can simply say so/ or leave a reply.
Message: Posted by: Investigative Mentalist (Jul 18, 2014 02:11PM)
[quote]On Jul 18, 2014, TM wrote:
Magic.Maddy he said not to contact him about tracking details. I want to buy the book , and I have been waiting to hear back from him ever since. The site says that before purchasing. "If I haven't heard of you before, or haven't corresponded with you in some way, I may contact you and make sure I feel comfortable with you. If I feel as though you aren't ready for the book, I'll cancel the purchase and refund your money."
I wanted to make sure he is fine with me buying the book, and it has been more than 20 days since I have heard from him.
If he doesn't want me to buy the book/ is too busy , he can simply say so/ or leave a reply. [/quote]

Have you placed your order yet?

Atlas only contacts people AFTER they have placed an order for the book.
Message: Posted by: ajb6864 (Jul 18, 2014 02:45PM)
Atlas,

Mine arrived safely today, number 115.

Really looking forward to reading through this over the next few days.

Many thanks,
Alan
Message: Posted by: fadattf (Jul 18, 2014 03:28PM)
[quote]On Jul 18, 2014, SeattleSteve wrote:
Atlas only contacts people AFTER they have placed an order for the book. [/quote]
I can't confirm that since I only got a default paypal message (but I was in contact with him via PM - but there we talked about other things).
Message: Posted by: Investigative Mentalist (Jul 18, 2014 03:30PM)
[quote]On Jul 18, 2014, fadattf wrote:
[quote]On Jul 18, 2014, SeattleSteve wrote:
Atlas only contacts people AFTER they have placed an order for the book. [/quote]
I can't confirm that since I only got a default paypal message (but I was in contact with him via PM - but there we talked about other things). [/quote]
OK maybe I'm wrong. In my case, I bought the book, then Atlas contacted me to make sure I was "qualified."
Message: Posted by: ♠Sylar♠ (Jul 19, 2014 03:31AM)
Mine just arrived, number 134. Thanks Atlas

Sylar
Message: Posted by: Dr Weevil (Jul 19, 2014 06:10AM)
Currently totally absorbed in no. 138 of this beautiful book, after it landed on my doormat this morning.. Thanks Atlas!

Also massive props to Steve for volunteering his time & expertise to the forum.

Will
Message: Posted by: NeilS (Jul 19, 2014 11:22AM)
Mine arrived this morning and having read the opening and seeing the HUGE potential, I am certainly going to enjoy the journey and intend to do my best to master.
Message: Posted by: ajb6864 (Jul 19, 2014 02:59PM)
I read up to page 72 last night and I'm a little bit dizzy with it!

I need to go back through what I have read already several times and make copious notes before moving on, but that is a good thing.
Message: Posted by: phillsmiff (Jul 19, 2014 04:29PM)
Mine turned up this morning and I'm looking forward to actually just reading it for reading it, without a deadline this time. Happy training guys.
Message: Posted by: Mark_Chandaue (Jul 20, 2014 06:43AM)
I just got home, and my copy is here, I also came home with a copy of Devil in Disguise. Annoyingly I just drove 250 miles after working a night shift and this after drinking somewhat excessively with Pete and so I'm too shattered to watch the DVD or read the book. This is the worst possible day to be shattered.

Mark
Message: Posted by: Paul S Wingham (Jul 20, 2014 08:23AM)
I really cannot wait for mine to arrive. The weird thing is I don't entirely know what I'm waiting for. I've not seen this done amd have no idea about method. I think that's what makes it so exciting!
Message: Posted by: roblane (Jul 20, 2014 09:01AM)
I don't think anyone will be disappointed with any aspect of it! I've read the first 30 pages or so and wont be reading further til it's absorbed, which Atlas quite rightly suggests in the book.
Message: Posted by: guitarmagic (Jul 20, 2014 11:45AM)
[quote]On Jul 18, 2014, SeattleSteve wrote:
Atlas just let me know that he wants to go live with the TT owners forum in about a week.

So those of you who have purchased the TT book, watch for an email requesting the info we need to set up your user account in the forum.

There is no registration page, I will have to add each one of you to the forum manually.

Please be patient and refrain from emailing or messaging Atlas.

The sooner he can clear out his backlog of emails and messages the sooner we can move forward on getting the TT owners forum up and running!

Then you will be able to post all the questions you want. [/quote]

Thanks Steve! And thank you for "taking on" the task of creating the Train Tracking Forum, making it available to us, thereby expediting our abilities to help one another in the acquisition, implementation and performance of this material.

See you on the TRAIN TRACKING FORUM!
Message: Posted by: RedDevil (Jul 20, 2014 12:24PM)
I am looking forward to getting my copy and exchanging ideas with all of you on the forum! I suspect the shipping will take a couple of weeks to the USA, knowing international mail. If we can help each other study or practice on each other once we receive our books, I am game.
Message: Posted by: Nathan Pain (Jul 20, 2014 12:32PM)
For us US fellas it will almost always take 7 days to get something from the UK. I've ordered enough stuff from there to have knowledge of this. I would assume by next weekend we all should have our choo-choos.

Nathan
Message: Posted by: Investigative Mentalist (Jul 20, 2014 12:45PM)
[quote]On Jul 20, 2014, Nathan Pain wrote:
For us US fellas it will almost always take 7 days to get something from the UK. I've ordered enough stuff from there to have knowledge of this. I would assume by next weekend we all should have our choo-choos.

Nathan [/quote]

You are correct about the delivery time, Royal Post says it takes 5-7 business days to get from the UK to the US (depending on your address).

FYI, if you log into your PayPal account and click on the order from Atlas, you should see a tracking number at the bottom of details of transaction.

My TT is currently in San Francisco so I should get it by Tuesday or Wednesday.
Message: Posted by: Heka Siosiri (Jul 20, 2014 06:54PM)
[quote]On Jul 20, 2014, SeattleSteve wrote:

You are correct about the delivery time, Royal Post says it takes 5-7 business days to get from the UK to the US (depending on your address).

FYI, if you log into your PayPal account and click on the order from Atlas, you should see a tracking number at the bottom of details of transaction.

My TT is currently in San Francisco so I should get it by Tuesday or Wednesday. [/quote]

Yep, mine is in LA, so tomorrow's the day :bg:
Message: Posted by: RedDevil (Jul 20, 2014 09:28PM)
My paypal receipt doesn't have a tracking number. Does everyone else's?
Message: Posted by: Nathan Pain (Jul 20, 2014 10:14PM)
Mine doesn't either but Atlas allowed me to get creative in my payment so that probably had some effect on mine.

Nathan
Message: Posted by: CSK Sr (Jul 20, 2014 10:47PM)
No, my Paypal information does not have a tracking number either. But that makes the suspense and reward all the greater!
Message: Posted by: fadattf (Jul 21, 2014 01:37AM)
I think Atlas only entered the tracking number on some paypal transactions (maybe only the first ones :) ).

I think (and hope) that by the end of the week everyone should have the book.
Message: Posted by: Daren (Jul 21, 2014 03:16AM)
You guys are in for a real treat, gonna take some work but already working my way through it, take your time reading the book and don't rush through it.
Message: Posted by: Rolyan (Jul 21, 2014 06:44AM)
Here's a crazy idea I'll just run up the flag pole.

There will be some (many?) that decide fairly quickly that the effect is not for them for a number of reasons.

Rather than sell it on the open market to the highest bidder, how about offering it back to Atlas at cost. That way no one loses but you keep the integrity that Atlas tried to inject into the sale.
Message: Posted by: a brown 1968 (Jul 21, 2014 07:28AM)
Rolyan

That idea is clever and not crazy

Atlas and I have already found a couple of sites offering a knock off copy of Crusade

Andrew
Message: Posted by: Rolyan (Jul 21, 2014 09:31AM)
Having thought about it, there are a couple of problems. Not that I'm selling mine though. I'm digging down 10 feet.
Message: Posted by: Investigative Mentalist (Jul 21, 2014 10:10AM)
[quote]On Jul 21, 2014, Rolyan wrote:
Here's a crazy idea I'll just run up the flag pole.

There will be some (many?) that decide fairly quickly that the effect is not for them for a number of reasons.

Rather than sell it on the open market to the highest bidder, how about offering it back to Atlas at cost. That way no one loses but you keep the integrity that Atlas tried to inject into the sale. [/quote]

I agree.

Virtually everything ends up on torrent sites and/or Asian pirate stores these days.

Atlas has gone to a LOT of trouble to try and screen out people who are not serious about using the material in this book.

After spending $300 USD for the book I would really like to see TT stay undercover.

Let's all work together and beat the bad guys this time!
Message: Posted by: Investigative Mentalist (Jul 21, 2014 10:16AM)
HAPPY BIRTHDAY ATLAS!

[img]http://investormastermindgroup.com/Smileys/yarex2/party.gif[/img]
Message: Posted by: CSK Sr (Jul 21, 2014 10:24AM)
Here, here! Happy Birthday, Atlas!
Message: Posted by: roblane (Jul 21, 2014 11:15AM)
Happy Birthday, Atlas!
Great idea about protecting the work, Rolyan. I would never part with mine though!
Message: Posted by: magus (Jul 21, 2014 12:25PM)
Celebrating both my Daughters birthdays today.
Happy Birthday Atlas.
Message: Posted by: magicman29 (Jul 21, 2014 01:03PM)
I finished reading train tracking earlier and tonight I'm gonna start reading it a second time but this time taking notes! This effect will take abit of memory work but when perfected you will have one hell of a payoff.
There is a novice presentation which atlas advices to perfect first before moving onto the master presentation, when reading the master presentation I had buttflies in my stomach its that f____ing good! I would even go to say that "to me" this is the holy grail because you are actually reading the mind of the spectator, there are no forces,nothing written down the spectator just thinks of any word and you will reveal that word at the end of the effect.

Atlas you should be REALLY proud of yourself with train tracking! :)

Kieran
Message: Posted by: powen (Jul 21, 2014 01:16PM)
I agree Kieran. I read this in one sitting as my mind digests things better having a birds eye view of the entire thing.
I shall now read over again in much more detail. I haven't changed my set for some time other than minor refinements but TT is going to change that.
I haven't even begun to practice or master it yet but I already know it will be my "go to" piece and will massively augment my current work.
Genius!
Message: Posted by: Daren (Jul 21, 2014 01:21PM)
Yeah same here, I have more or less mastered the first part of it, I will now begin to work on the next part, when all the pieces fit together this is gonna be one hell of a piece
Message: Posted by: guitarmagic (Jul 21, 2014 01:38PM)
You guys have revved my mind into overdrive with excitement about TT. I'm out at my mailbox waiting, joyfully.

Happy Birthday Atlas and to all those celebrating today.

Train Tracking is a celebration for all of us! Thanks Atlas!!!
Message: Posted by: Investigative Mentalist (Jul 21, 2014 01:40PM)
The TT owners forum will be up and running very soon.

Traded emails with Atlas today and we are working out the details for setting up the user accounts for all TT owners.

Watch your email!
Message: Posted by: Daren (Jul 21, 2014 02:18PM)
Guitamagic, you are gonna love this, I cannot put the book down, well ok I just did cause I typed this, but you know what I mean! Lol
Message: Posted by: NeilS (Jul 21, 2014 02:23PM)
Happy Birthday Atlas - and thank you for coming up with such a gem. :-)

As others have said, it is going to take some time to master Train Tracking BUT at the start of the book Atlas describes an effect with coins. This in itself is brilliant and will be using it while I get to grips with the full method. It is a much simpler version of Train Tracking but nevertheless has great power.

I'm loving it. To use a cliche, an effect to 'get your teeth into.'
Message: Posted by: shakuni (Jul 21, 2014 02:26PM)
Can the method be converted to other languages?
Mainly Hindi?

Thanks!
Message: Posted by: fadattf (Jul 21, 2014 02:32PM)
[quote]On Jul 21, 2014, shakuni wrote:
Can the method be converted to other languages?
Mainly Hindi?

Thanks! [/quote]
With some (maybe a lot) work - yes.
I haven't received it yet, but talked with Atlas and other about that topic.
Message: Posted by: Investigative Mentalist (Jul 21, 2014 03:09PM)
Received my copy of TT today, all the way out here in Seattle ... about as far away from the UK as you can get and still be in the U.S.

Mine shipped on July 14, so the rest of you should get your books in the next day or two.
Message: Posted by: fadattf (Jul 21, 2014 03:17PM)
[quote]On Jul 21, 2014, SeattleSteve wrote:
Received my copy of TT today, all the way out here in Seattle ... about as far away from the UK as you can get and still be in the U.S.

Mine shipped on July 14, so the rest of you should get your books in the next day or two. [/quote]
I'm only 1.400 km away but postal service isn't the best here. No delivery on friday, saturday, sunday and monday - it's ridiculous; especially when you are waiting for something.
Message: Posted by: C.J. (Jul 21, 2014 03:27PM)
[quote]On Jul 21, 2014, shakuni wrote:
Can the method be converted to other languages?
Mainly Hindi?

Thanks! [/quote]

Atlas' original position on this was that TT could be adapted to any language using the A-Z alphabet. It would probably be possible with other alphabets, but since my knowledge of such languages is very limited, I can't give this guarantee. I've talked with Atlas about translation processes, and agree with him that for most common languages, there will be suitable resources easily accessed that will do the hardest part of the work for you. But once the hardest part is done, it still needs quite a creative and attuned mind to sit down and give a few hours careful thought and trialling in order to map out the "tracks". Not impossible, but I'd be doing a disservice to say that it would be a simple matter.
Message: Posted by: Mark Storms (Jul 21, 2014 10:43PM)
[quote]On Jul 21, 2014, SeattleSteve wrote:
Received my copy of TT today, all the way out here in Seattle ... about as far away from the UK as you can get and still be in the U.S.

Mine shipped on July 14, so the rest of you should get your books in the next day or two. [/quote]

You're a lucky guy Steve. I'm here in Seattle too and I haven't received mine yet. Sounds like it should be soon though! :)
Message: Posted by: shakuni (Jul 21, 2014 11:34PM)
@C.J. @fadattf

Thanks a lot for help.
Message: Posted by: fadattf (Jul 22, 2014 04:05AM)
Finally I got mine (#119) too.
I hope that Steve is right and everybody will get theirs within the next days.
Message: Posted by: Waters (Jul 22, 2014 05:39AM)
[quote]On Jul 21, 2014, SeattleSteve wrote:
The TT owners forum will be up and running very soon.

Traded emails with Atlas today and we are working out the details for setting up the user accounts for all TT owners.

Watch your email! [/quote]

Steve,

That is very generous of you. I am looking forward to both.

Best Regards,

Sean
Message: Posted by: fadattf (Jul 22, 2014 06:01AM)
[quote]On Jul 22, 2014, shakuni wrote:
@C.J. @fadattf

Thanks a lot for help. [/quote]
Just read the first time over the first track part and as far as I can say for the german language I am quiet sure that the system is adaptable. It will take some research and a bit oft try and error to find the best way but it will work.

Can't wait to discuss it in the forum with other (german speaking) people.
Message: Posted by: dan the man (Jul 22, 2014 07:01AM)
That is very good news, thank you very mauch!
Message: Posted by: MrThomas (Jul 22, 2014 09:22AM)
When the TT Forum eventually is launched, can we lock/delete this thread as it will not be necessary anymore. There is no need to discuss any aspect of Atlas work called Train Tracking but in the official forum because it is almost sold out already. Therefor let us airbrush Train Tracking here. Atlas took too much effort to keep it more or less under cover. Now as we got the chance to learn TT, we should respect that more than ever!

Thomas
Message: Posted by: Jeff Wassom (Jul 22, 2014 10:24AM)
Received mine yesterday, lips are sealed and can't wait for the forum. Thanks Atlas and Happy Belated B-Day.

PS The TT dedication was as sweet and touching of a dedication that I've read in any book. =)
Message: Posted by: Magic.Maddy (Jul 22, 2014 10:39AM)
Before this thread gets closed I just want to PUBLICLY thank a secret someone.

Someone here saw my interest in TT and Atlas's work and thought it would be appropriate to buy me a copy. I don't know who it is or what they saw in me, but they thought I should be able to train track people.

This touched my heart so much. It meant/means the world to me. I've never seen such generosity, it is hard to find nowadays. This Mentalism community is a tightly knit, extremely kind and helpful community. From all the great pros to the hobbyist, they all have so much to give. And I'm thankful I can be part of it.

This being a gift will motivate me to learn it completely. Every time I'm ready to put the book down and give up, I'll think about this mysterious person some where, pick the book back up, and continue digging deeper.

Thanks again for this opportunity and thank you for the motivation and generosity.
Message: Posted by: Investigative Mentalist (Jul 22, 2014 10:53AM)
The forum is going live starting TODAY!

I will be adding TT owners to the forum throughout this week.

I have to set up each user account manually and I have a "real job" during the day so it will take time.

Atlas sent me a list of the first TT owners.

Your username in the forum will be your first initial and your last name and your password will be a randomly generated 8-character password.

When your user account is created, you will automatically receive an email saying "Welcome to the Forum."

That email will include your username and password so SAVE it in a safe place.

The email also contains a link that you must click to activate your forum account.

As you can see, I'm trying to make this forum as secure as possible.

The only TT forum users with "regular" usernames are Atlas and me (SeattleSteve) because we are the admins.

I thought about letting TT owners pick their own usernames but that would be too much hassle.
Message: Posted by: Investigative Mentalist (Jul 22, 2014 11:47AM)
By request, I have created a separate forum for "Non-English Speaking Train Tracking" so those of you working on developing TT in different languages have your own place to hang out.

I've already added 10 users to the forum. If your book is #1-50 you will be added today.

Keep in mind that I don't have a complete list of TT owners yet, so I'm missing some of the books between 1-50. I just wanted to give everyone an idea of when they will be added. I will post updates here as I have time.
Message: Posted by: Nathan Pain (Jul 22, 2014 12:13PM)
Steve...you are a champion, sir!

Nathan
Message: Posted by: Investigative Mentalist (Jul 22, 2014 12:25PM)
Atlas just told me that the book numbers I am missing are for TT owners who paid in person at the event this month and he took a handwritten receipt.

So if you are one of those TT owners, I will add you later this week when I get your info from Atlas.
Message: Posted by: Fattyownz (Jul 22, 2014 12:31PM)
Hi Steve how will you get my email
Address ?

Thanks

James
Message: Posted by: Investigative Mentalist (Jul 22, 2014 12:36PM)
[quote]On Jul 22, 2014, Fattyownz wrote:
Hi Steve how will you get my email
Address ?

Thanks

James [/quote]

Your email address is the one you used when you bought the book via PayPal.

If you are one of the people who bought the book in person, contact Atlas so he can add your email address to your purchase record.

Only verified book owners will be allowed into the forum.
Message: Posted by: Rolyan (Jul 22, 2014 01:27PM)
[quote]On Jul 22, 2014, Magic.Maddy wrote:
Before this thread gets closed I just want to PUBLICLY thank a secret someone.

Someone here saw my interest in TT and Atlas's work and thought it would be appropriate to buy me a copy. I don't know who it is or what they saw in me, but they thought I should be able to train track people.. [/quote]
Hi Magic Maddy - I hate acts of generosity where I'm not the recipient, so I'm jealous, bitter and happy for you all the same time.

Here's hoping you didn't bypass Atlas' vetting procedure!

Best TT regards
Rolyan

Don't you just love Jeffry Archer, I know I do.
Message: Posted by: Investigative Mentalist (Jul 22, 2014 01:52PM)
I have now added all the TT owners for books #1-50 that I have, Atlas only gave my 37 names so those of you that did not pay via PayPal, contact Atlas with your email address so we can add you to the forum.

I will work on adding the next 50 book owners tonight or tomorrow.
Message: Posted by: BMWGuy (Jul 22, 2014 01:54PM)
Thanks Steve.

Already registered Book #1.

Looking forward to receiving the book soon, though I already started learning this back in late May.

Thanks

Cant wait.

Alex
Message: Posted by: Daren (Jul 22, 2014 02:02PM)
I am number 86 looking forward to getting access
Message: Posted by: Magic.Maddy (Jul 22, 2014 02:14PM)
[quote]On Jul 22, 2014, Rolyan wrote:
[quote]On Jul 22, 2014, Magic.Maddy wrote:
Before this thread gets closed I just want to PUBLICLY thank a secret someone.

Someone here saw my interest in TT and Atlas's work and thought it would be appropriate to buy me a copy. I don't know who it is or what they saw in me, but they thought I should be able to train track people.. [/quote]
Hi Magic Maddy - I hate acts of generosity where I'm not the recipient, so I'm jealous, bitter and happy for you all the same time.

Here's hoping you didn't bypass Atlas' vetting procedure!

Best TT regards
Rolyan

Don't you just love Jeffry Archer, I know I do. [/quote]

Oh believe me I didn't! The purchaser made sure I passed Atlas's test.

Atlas and I have chatted on a few occasions. He is always helpful and kind. So I knew him and he knew me at least a little :)
Message: Posted by: Investigative Mentalist (Jul 22, 2014 02:16PM)
[quote]On Jul 22, 2014, Daren wrote:
I am number 86 looking forward to getting access [/quote]

Daren, I just set you up.

Check your email.

Can't promise I can do this for everyone, I'm supposed to be working today. ;-)
Message: Posted by: Daren (Jul 22, 2014 02:45PM)
Ah great cheers!
Message: Posted by: CSArscott (Jul 22, 2014 02:58PM)
Thanks Steve.

Number 37 registered, the journey has started see you down there.
Message: Posted by: Paul S Wingham (Jul 22, 2014 02:59PM)
Thanks for putting all this work in seattle steve. Cant wait to get the book and forum sounds like a great resource.
Message: Posted by: RedDevil (Jul 22, 2014 03:33PM)
I am lucky 164! Which adds up to 11, which reduces to 2. What does that mean for my numo reading??? :o)
Message: Posted by: yachanin (Jul 22, 2014 04:30PM)
[quote]On Jul 22, 2014, Magic.Maddy wrote:

Atlas and I have chatted on a few occasions. He is always helpful and kind. So I knew him and he knew me at least a little :) [/quote]

Hi Maddy,

Yes, Atlas is helpful, kind, and generous as well. It was not easy for him to release his "baby" to our community. As I have said before, he is a man of integrity and principle and I'm privileged to have him as a friend and colleague.

Regards, Steve
Message: Posted by: Martin Pulman (Jul 22, 2014 04:36PM)
Well, I don't know if it is going to be the book of the year, but it is certainly the most beautifully designed book of the year.
Message: Posted by: jaizon (Jul 22, 2014 04:48PM)
Wait. What? You mean it's not book of the year?
Message: Posted by: Martin Pulman (Jul 22, 2014 04:51PM)
[quote]On Jul 22, 2014, jaizon wrote:
Wait. What? You mean it's not book of the year? [/quote]

Ha! That came out all wrong! I've just come home to find Train Tracking waiting for me. I haven't started to read it yet. If the quality of the effect matches the quality of the design, it will definitely be the book of the year. At the very least.
Message: Posted by: Heka Siosiri (Jul 22, 2014 07:01PM)
Still haven't received mine but just registered to the forum!
Message: Posted by: emyers99 (Jul 22, 2014 07:10PM)
Time to start reading. Choo choo!
Message: Posted by: Nathan Pain (Jul 22, 2014 09:09PM)
My mailman was able to tell me the word I was thinking of...should I be worried? ;)

I hope I get #200.

Nathan
Message: Posted by: fadattf (Jul 23, 2014 01:41AM)
[quote]On Jul 22, 2014, Martin Pulman wrote:
Well, I don't know if it is going to be the book of the year, but it is certainly the most beautifully designed book of the year. [/quote]
Never say never, but at the moment I can't think of anything that can beat that book (at least in mentalism).
Message: Posted by: phillsmiff (Jul 23, 2014 03:45AM)
I agree with Martin ;-)

Phill
Message: Posted by: Sreidy (Jul 23, 2014 04:30AM)
Mine just arrived today #104. Once I saw it in the mailbox, I couldn't contain my excitement and displayed what looked like a Tourette suffering mime artist that has just had a line of speed! THIS BOOK IS UNBELIEVABLE! This is certainly going to be the background music to so many effects. There is work to be done as we can see but will certainly stop this diamond being clutched in a clammy palm...

Looking forward to sharing some ideas with you all in the forum... x (Thanks Steve)
Message: Posted by: NeilS (Jul 23, 2014 07:28AM)
The beauty of Train Tracking is that the concept can be taken in different directions. There will be some who will learn and present it in its purist form while there are other little nuggets and ideas which can be used in other ways.

So in addition to laying out the train tracks, Atlas has also provided the community with some mighty useful sidings as well!
Message: Posted by: Investigative Mentalist (Jul 23, 2014 11:31AM)
TT Owners Forum Update:

I have now added owners of TT books #1-80.

I'm missing about a dozen names from the first 30 books because you bought them from Atlas in person, we will get you added ASAP.

Every owner of Book #30-80 has been added to the forum.

Check your email! You will receive an automated "welcome to the forum" email with your username and password. You must click on the link in that email to activate your account.

I will keep adding more TT owners as I have time this week.

The forum is already cooking, so it will be a fun journey for all of us.
Message: Posted by: Fattyownz (Jul 23, 2014 12:28PM)
Can I change from 159 to 89 ;)
Message: Posted by: Fattyownz (Jul 23, 2014 12:31PM)
Should be all the read the book at least once before using the forum, I haven't even started it yet will using the forum confuse me without having any idea of method etc

Thanks

James
Message: Posted by: fadattf (Jul 23, 2014 12:35PM)
[quote]On Jul 23, 2014, Fattyownz wrote:
Can I change from 159 to 89 ;) [/quote]
No :) I know, it's not funny to make jokes in people waiting to geht access.
But be sure people in the forum are also waiting for everybody to join.
Message: Posted by: Magic.Maddy (Jul 23, 2014 12:35PM)
Just got mine registered! #117.

Thanks Steve!
Message: Posted by: fadattf (Jul 23, 2014 12:38PM)
[quote]On Jul 23, 2014, Fattyownz wrote:
Should be all the read the book at least once before using the forum, I haven't even started it yet will using the forum confuse me without having any idea of method etc

Thanks

James [/quote]

At the moment there are only a few topics in the forum.
A welcome thread and some general topics.
Nothing too fancy yet.
I'd suggest to start with the book and join the forum as soon as you have access
Message: Posted by: Fattyownz (Jul 23, 2014 01:34PM)
[quote]On Jul 23, 2014, fadattf wrote:
[quote]On Jul 23, 2014, Fattyownz wrote:
Can I change from 159 to 89 ;) [/quote]
No :) I know, it's not funny to make jokes in people waiting to geht access.
But be sure people in the forum are also waiting for everybody to join. [/quote]

Yeah I was just joking mate happy to wait :)
Message: Posted by: Investigative Mentalist (Jul 23, 2014 01:36PM)
[quote]On Jul 23, 2014, Magic.Maddy wrote:
Just got mine registered! #117.

Thanks Steve! [/quote]

Just to clarify, I'm still at Book #80 on the official list, I have added a few others by request, but still working my way down the TT owners list.
Message: Posted by: morgaine_le_fey (Jul 23, 2014 01:50PM)
[quote]On Jul 16, 2014, morgaine_le_fey wrote:
I didn't make the grade... :bawl: [/quote]

*Public Confession/Apology: not for the faint-hearted *

Dear Mr Brookings,

Please accept my deepest apologies for my mistake in regard to my not making the grade. Now before I go Jimmy Swaggart on you, please understand: I did not know, nor did I expect in my wildest dreams, that I would ever get your wonderful book. Being a newbie on this forum, I wrongly assumed a great deal of things which turned out to be my private paranoia party.
It was not my intention to create such an awkward and embarrassing situation for you.
If there is any good that comes out of this unfortunate experience, it is that I might grow and learn alternative approaches to these situations: being a woman, that would in my case mean shutting up! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LS37SNYjg8w
So thank you for trusting me with your opus: I will do my best to live up to its potential!

Sincerely,
Morgaine.
Message: Posted by: fadattf (Jul 23, 2014 02:02PM)
[quote]On Jul 23, 2014, morgaine_le_fey wrote:
...nor did I expect in my wildest dreams, that I would ever get your wonderful book. [/quote]
Great to hear that you get a copy - I'm sure you will even more work it to master it :)
Message: Posted by: Lseeyou (Jul 23, 2014 05:08PM)
Does anyone already use this in other languages?

thank you
Message: Posted by: Magic.Maddy (Jul 23, 2014 06:13PM)
I can't wait to come home from vacation (you don't hear that often) because I know I have a beautiful book waiting for me!

Strangely enough, I think I want to read the bonus routine first. I'm extremely intrigued in that. Just as much as the actual TT itself.
Message: Posted by: MatCult (Jul 23, 2014 06:30PM)
[quote]On Jul 23, 2014, Lseeyou wrote:
Does anyone already use this in other languages?

thank you [/quote]
Have you read the thread?

It's been stated clearly that it will take weeks and months for users to master the English techniques which Atlas has explained in full.

It has also been stated that it will take a lot of extra work to convert the method to other languages.

It is clear from the posts in this thread that the books were shipped about a week ago.

So... with all that in mind... what do you think?
Message: Posted by: Investigative Mentalist (Jul 23, 2014 06:43PM)
There is a group of TT owners in the forum working on a German language version.

But like previous posters have said, it will take a LOT of extra time and work!

It's hard enough learning TT if you are a native English speaker.
Message: Posted by: Seth speaks (Jul 23, 2014 11:42PM)
#109 has arrived safely in New Mexico! My wife and daughters are asleep, and I'm settling in to read, and these early pages are very exciting!
Message: Posted by: Investigative Mentalist (Jul 24, 2014 01:25AM)
I've been working overtime to get TT owners set up in the owners forum.

I have now added all the owners through Book #141 that Atlas has given to me so far.

Unfortunately, I have not had time to read my own copy of TT yet because I'm spending all my free time setting up user accounts in the TT owners forum.

I hope to dig into the book soon.
Message: Posted by: Lseeyou (Jul 24, 2014 03:28AM)
[quote]On Jul 23, 2014, MatCult wrote:
Have you read the thread?

It's been stated clearly that it will take weeks and months for users to master the English techniques which Atlas has explained in full.

It has also been stated that it will take a lot of extra work to convert the method to other languages.

It is clear from the posts in this thread that the books were shipped about a week ago.

So... with all that in mind... what do you think? [/quote]

MatCult I think I own a thank you!
Message: Posted by: XyGreg (Jul 24, 2014 06:14AM)
A new happy owner here, my book arrived yesterday :) I've read the 20 first pages and indeed I have the feeling that this will be REALLY beautifull. I'm already excited by the concept I've read and it's only the beginning of the journey! Of course I will have to work on a french translation but, regarding the value of the final destination, I will be strong-willed for that task.

[quote]On Jul 23, 2014, NeilS wrote:
The beauty of Train Tracking is that the concept can be taken in different directions. There will be some who will learn and present it in its purist form while there are other little nuggets and ideas which can be used in other ways. [/quote]

As I said I've only read the beginning but I absolutely agree with you Neil, and in this context the forum and the exchange of ideas between the owners will be inspiring :)
Message: Posted by: shakuni (Jul 24, 2014 08:02AM)
I got from the thread that it can be translated to any language that uses Latin/Roman script. Can anyone confirm if it can be transformed to be used for languages that use non-roman script. Thanks!
Message: Posted by: jaizon (Jul 24, 2014 09:25AM)
#95 has arrived. Let the fun begin! Wahooooooooo!
Message: Posted by: eric6 (Jul 24, 2014 09:28AM)
Just received mine. I love the design and knowing Atlas other stuff it should be great inside also. Would be glad to exchange with other French users on this. If you feel like it just pm me.
Thanks
Eric
Message: Posted by: fadattf (Jul 24, 2014 10:03AM)
[quote]On Jul 24, 2014, shakuni wrote:
I got from the thread that it can be translated to any language that uses Latin/Roman script. Can anyone confirm if it can be transformed to be used for languages that use non-roman script. Thanks! [/quote]
If your language uses an alphabet and not"icons" (dont know what to call it in english) like japanese kanji or chinese it should work.
Message: Posted by: phillsmiff (Jul 24, 2014 10:47AM)
It would be possible to develop a Japanese version because the words are written mainly as kanji pictograms but are also made up of syllables (and can be written in hiragana or katakana which are syllabic alphabets), so I think it could be done. *could* be done.

That said, it isn't a translation job, the whole effect needs to be rebuilt natively in whatever language it is going to be done in. These guys who are talking about bringing it into German or French aren't going to be just translating it, they've got a lot of work to do.

Phill
Message: Posted by: XyGreg (Jul 24, 2014 11:10AM)
Indeed it´s more than " just" a translation :)
Message: Posted by: sandsjr (Jul 24, 2014 11:31AM)
I think people need to be careful not to be rail-roaded into revealing too much info here. If you have particular questions maybe PM'ing Atlas would be a better idea than leaving any potential puzzle pieces on an open forum.
Message: Posted by: rasp (Jul 24, 2014 11:56AM)
We should bin this thread and chat in the owners forum out of respect for Atlas.
Message: Posted by: fadattf (Jul 24, 2014 12:56PM)
[quote]On Jul 24, 2014, phillsmiff wrote:
These guys who are talking about bringing it into German or French aren't going to be just translating it, they've got a lot of work to do.

Phill [/quote]
That's true.
But more details to translating will be discussed only in the closed forum.
It is possible but takes Mord than just translating.
Message: Posted by: Investigative Mentalist (Jul 24, 2014 01:41PM)
I think it's time to move this thread to Inner Thoughts or delete it altogether.

When I talked to Atlas a couple of days ago, there were only 13 copies of TT still available for purchase.

Any further discussion of TT on the public "Penny" forum should be limited to "can I still buy a copy of Train Tracking?"
Message: Posted by: Investigative Mentalist (Jul 24, 2014 02:01PM)
TT Owners: If your book number is 31-141 you have already been added to the TT owners forum, you don't need to contact me to request access to the forum.

You should have received a "welcome" email from "Train Tracking Owners Forum" with your username and password.

Please check your "junk mail" or "spam" folders to find your email if you don't see it in your "In Box."

You must click on the link in that email to activate your TT owners forum account.
Message: Posted by: phillsmiff (Jul 24, 2014 02:34PM)
OK Mods, burn it all down
Message: Posted by: C.J. (Jul 24, 2014 03:27PM)
[quote]On Jul 24, 2014, phillsmiff wrote:
OK Mods, burn it all down [/quote]

It would be nice if someone could save this in some format and re-post this discussion on the owners forum for the sake of preserving some pretty major history. A lot of ground has been covered in the last 20 pages, and it would be a shame to just "burn it down".
Message: Posted by: Nathan Pain (Jul 24, 2014 03:44PM)
#165 has hit my doorstep!

Very excited...a truly beautiful looking book! Cheers to Mr. Smiff! Cheers to Mr. Brookings!

Nathan

NOW burn it down.
Message: Posted by: Waters (Jul 24, 2014 04:46PM)
Beautiful indeed. This is the way an arcane knowledge book should look.
Message: Posted by: Investigative Mentalist (Jul 24, 2014 05:48PM)
[quote]On Jul 24, 2014, C.J. wrote:
[quote]On Jul 24, 2014, phillsmiff wrote:
OK Mods, burn it all down [/quote]

It would be nice if someone could save this in some format and re-post this discussion on the owners forum for the sake of preserving some pretty major history. A lot of ground has been covered in the last 20 pages, and it would be a shame to just "burn it down". [/quote]

Could be moved to "Inner Thoughts"
Message: Posted by: Investigative Mentalist (Jul 24, 2014 05:50PM)
Apparently several TT owners have not received their "welcome emails" from the TT owners forum.

My IT guys have been working on this all day to figure out why some emails are not being delivered.
As far as they can tell, the emails are leaving the server, not sure why some are not getting
delivered.

Please check all your "spam" filters to see if the TT forum emails are getting caught.
Message: Posted by: CSArscott (Jul 24, 2014 05:56PM)
Have all TT owners got enough posts to access "Inner Thoughts"?

You could save html pages, current size is 3.2mb zip file.
Message: Posted by: sandsjr (Jul 24, 2014 05:59PM)
[quote]On Jul 24, 2014, SeattleSteve wrote:

Could be moved to "Inner Thoughts" [/quote]

I think inner thoughts would give people the idea they could speak more openly about methods. I'm sure no one who owns this would want to see that.
Message: Posted by: rasp (Jul 24, 2014 06:07PM)
Sorry but personally I do not think any discussion of Train Tracking belongs on the Magic Café, period.

Atlas has created something very, very special over a lot of years and has been gracious to share it with 200 very privileged people, also Steve has invested a lot of time and effort creating the private forum without asking for any payment. We owe respect to these guys to keep this to ourselves!!

Rasp.
Message: Posted by: CSArscott (Jul 24, 2014 06:24PM)
I was thinking more of inner thoughts as a locked topic to preserve history, not for ongoing discussion, once TT forum setup is completed.
Message: Posted by: Mark Storms (Jul 24, 2014 06:54PM)
I agree that any discussion of Train Tracking should be limited to the private forum that has been set up. I don't think that Inner Thoughts is private enough. This will prevent any slips that might hint at a method.
Message: Posted by: kinesis (Jul 24, 2014 06:59PM)
Well I've had #12 for sometime now. I read up to page 71 on the train (appropriately) home from MINDS. I've been very busy these last two weeks and have not had the chance to look at TT since. That changes. This weekend is free and I'll make sure the train well and truly leaves the station this time round. Woo Hoo ! (or should that be Choo Choo!)
Message: Posted by: RedDevil (Jul 24, 2014 08:00PM)
Looking at 146. This is right up my alley.
Message: Posted by: BCE (Jul 24, 2014 11:00PM)
[quote]On Jul 24, 2014, SeattleSteve wrote:
Apparently several TT owners have not received their "welcome emails" from the TT owners forum.

My IT guys have been working on this all day to figure out why some emails are not being delivered.
As far as they can tell, the emails are leaving the server, not sure why some are not getting
delivered.

Please check all your "spam" filters to see if the TT forum emails are getting caught. [/quote]

I did get my welcome e-mail, thank you, but I have not actually logged in there yet. Is there a time limit as to when I have to, or even if there's an obligation to do so right away? I got the parcel slip here for me to pick it up, so I will have it in hand by this weekend. I definitely appreciate this chance to push myself a little further and set some goals a little further.
Message: Posted by: magus (Jul 24, 2014 11:08PM)
#34 has landed.
Whoopee.
Gotta go, must read now.
Message: Posted by: C.J. (Jul 25, 2014 01:24AM)
[quote]On Jul 24, 2014, SeattleSteve wrote:
Apparently several TT owners have not received their "welcome emails" from the TT owners forum.

My IT guys have been working on this all day to figure out why some emails are not being delivered.
As far as they can tell, the emails are leaving the server, not sure why some are not getting
delivered.

Please check all your "spam" filters to see if the TT forum emails are getting caught. [/quote]

Not sure if my account has been set up yet, but I haven't received the email (and not in my spam folder either). The only reason I raise this is that I recently joined another forum and had the same thing happen - the account was created, but the automated email didn't arrive. So it's quite probably not your fault Steve. I blame the NSA. :)
Message: Posted by: powen (Jul 25, 2014 02:06AM)
I have come across this issue recently in a different context. The fix was for those who didn't receive the email to provide a gmail account instead and it worked fine for some reason.
Back to TT I feel as though atlas has created another "step" in the steps to mentalism with this work, only this is far superior to the rest of the steps.
That's how good I consider this.
Message: Posted by: Paul S Wingham (Jul 25, 2014 03:51AM)
I'm upto about chapter three and my mind is blown so far. This isn't going to be easy to learn but eqaully it isn't going to be hard in the same way its hard to learn a complicated sleight. It certainly feels like its worth the effort and I've not even seen it all come together yet. I can't help but think I have more treats in store as I progress through the book.

I'm not really trying to learn it first read through; just taking it all in. I look forward to being able to talk a bit more openly on the forum

Thanks Atlas - great work
Message: Posted by: C.J. (Jul 25, 2014 06:59AM)
[quote]On Jul 25, 2014, powen wrote:
Back to TT I feel as though atlas has created another "step" in the steps to mentalism with this work, only this is far superior to the rest of the steps.
That's how good I consider this. [/quote]

That is particularly high praise. If you're going to state something of this magnitude, it would behove you to acknowledge the other people who, many years ago, toyed with and developed the core concepts on which Train Tracking operates. It's not to say that TT is not original, but it is to say that if it constitutes another "step", then the general concept of that step was not "created" with this book. I won't say more, because to do so could be considered leaning towards exposure.

Please note, I'm not trying to talk down TT at all. I think it's amazing, and the work that has gone into it certainly fills in all of the gaps of the earlier works that caused me discomfort.
Message: Posted by: powen (Jul 25, 2014 08:17AM)
I think it is such a huge advancement that it could be considered a step in its own right. Just my personal opinion.
For reasons you mentioned, I didn't want to delve into its roots.
Message: Posted by: sandsjr (Jul 25, 2014 08:18AM)
Discuss this in the TT forum guys! Not here.
Message: Posted by: guitarmagic (Jul 25, 2014 09:45AM)
[quote]On Jul 24, 2014, Mark Storms wrote:
I agree that any discussion of Train Tracking should be limited to the private forum that has been set up. I don't think that Inner Thoughts is private enough. This will prevent any slips that might hint at a method. [/quote]

My copy is still in shipment and on its way to me, but I agree with Mark. All who have invested and sacrificed their money, work, time, efforts and honor towards Atlas, the support of our beloved art and his EXCELLENT WORK . . . lets expand, extrapolate and work further towards discovery on the Train Tracking Forum created graciously by SeattleSteve. I think enough has been revealed for the casual performer and layman.
Message: Posted by: MatCult (Jul 25, 2014 09:57AM)
[quote]On Jul 25, 2014, guitarmagic wrote:
All who have ... sacrificed their ... honor towards Atlas[/quote]
LOL

Who sacrificed their honor towards Atlas? I'm not sure what that means, but it seems a bit extreme. Some people need to calm down I think.

There's loads of meaningless guff posts in this thread. We get it, you've bought Train Tracking. Good for you. Enjoy it. Try not to make the pages too sticky.
Message: Posted by: Martin Pulman (Jul 25, 2014 10:57AM)
[quote]On Jul 25, 2014, MatCult wrote:
[quote]On Jul 25, 2014, guitarmagic wrote:
All who have ... sacrificed their ... honor towards Atlas[/quote]
LOL

Who sacrificed their honor towards Atlas? I'm not sure what that means, but it seems a bit extreme. Some people need to calm down I think.

There's loads of meaningless guff posts in this thread. We get it, you've bought Train Tracking. Good for you. Enjoy it. Try not to make the pages too sticky. [/quote]


:rotf: Harsh, but true.
Message: Posted by: Investigative Mentalist (Jul 25, 2014 11:28AM)
There are 47 TT owners who I have registered for the private forum who have have not yet clicked on the link in their "welcome" email to activate their account.

Please check your "spam" and "junk mail" boxes and filters to find the email and click on the link so you can join the conversation.

We already have 73 Posts in 16 Topics by 86 Members.
Message: Posted by: Investigative Mentalist (Jul 25, 2014 11:51AM)
I'm now getting slammed with PM's about the TT owners forum.

If your TT Book number is between 1-141 and you still don't have your "welcome" email, you can PM me and I will give you the username/password for your TT forum account.

But please be patient. I have a "real job" during the day and limited free time at night.

Also, if your book number is above 141 or you got a personally signed copy from Atlas that is not numbered, I don't have you on my list.
Message: Posted by: jaizon (Jul 25, 2014 12:56PM)
[quote]On Jul 25, 2014, Clel-Mentalist wrote:
Indeed just cause some didn't buy it doesn't make them casual performers. Atlas did great hyping this, releasing it limited n expensive.

But it's not the be all n end all of new techniques, it won't set the world of mentalism on fire and will probably be forgotten about except by a select few who still read their precious book - that's the nature of limited work.

Some mentalists chose not to buy, that's cool - but they are free to discuss, speculate. It won't ruin 'my precious' so get over yourself and enjoy trying to memorize your lists. [/quote]

Do you actually own the book?
Message: Posted by: Magic-Daniel (Jul 25, 2014 01:20PM)
How "extra" difficult would this be to do in another laugauge than english?
Message: Posted by: Mark_Chandaue (Jul 25, 2014 01:20PM)
[quote]On Jul 25, 2014, jaizon wrote:
[quote]On Jul 25, 2014, Clel-Mentalist wrote:
Indeed just cause some didn't buy it doesn't make them casual performers. Atlas did great hyping this, releasing it limited n expensive.

But it's not the be all n end all of new techniques, it won't set the world of mentalism on fire and will probably be forgotten about except by a select few who still read their precious book - that's the nature of limited work.

Some mentalists chose not to buy, that's cool - but they are free to discuss, speculate. It won't ruin 'my precious' so get over yourself and enjoy trying to memorize your lists. [/quote]

Do you actually own the book? [/quote]
Clearly not as his speculation about the method is way off.

Mark
Message: Posted by: fadattf (Jul 25, 2014 02:02PM)
[quote]On Jul 24, 2014, CSArscott wrote:
Have all TT owners got enough posts to access "Inner Thoughts"?
[/quote]

No :P - but I think I will surive it :)
Message: Posted by: fadattf (Jul 25, 2014 02:03PM)
[quote]On Jul 25, 2014, Magic-Daniel wrote:
How "extra" difficult would this be to do in another laugauge than english? [/quote]
As already stated in several other postings:
Yes it is possible, but it will take some work (more than a few days).
How "extra" can't be explained here without spoiling too much.
Message: Posted by: Paul S Wingham (Jul 25, 2014 03:36PM)
The only reason this needs to go to inner secrets is if we talk about method. Why don't we just keep that for the forum where we know only owners can see.
Message: Posted by: mastermindreader (Jul 25, 2014 06:30PM)
Split the difference and call it 89. (Or, if you want to include this post, 89.000001)
Message: Posted by: MatCult (Jul 25, 2014 07:16PM)
[quote]On Jul 25, 2014, Paul S Wingham wrote:
85% of posts on the Café are meaningless :) [/quote]
94% of statistics are made up on the spot.

;)
Message: Posted by: MatCult (Jul 25, 2014 07:18PM)
[quote]On Jul 25, 2014, jaizon wrote:
Do you actually own the book? [/quote]

[Img]http://crazycraggle.com/home/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/do-you-even-lift.jpeg[/img]
Message: Posted by: jaizon (Jul 25, 2014 07:46PM)
[quote]On Jul 25, 2014, MatCult wrote:
[quote]On Jul 25, 2014, jaizon wrote:
Do you actually own the book? [/quote]

[Img]http://crazycraggle.com/home/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/do-you-even-lift.jpeg[/img] [/quote]

That's so nice of you, standing up for him. hahahahahah
Message: Posted by: Magicsquared (Jul 25, 2014 11:40PM)
I don't want to buy this, but I want someone to perform it for me and blow me away. I haven't been fooled badly in a long time. So someone hurry up and master this then PM me so we can talk.
Message: Posted by: Mark_Chandaue (Jul 26, 2014 05:59AM)
The fact is that this didn't need an online demo, anyone that witnessed Atlas perform this at Newcastle were blown away as were those that Atlas personally demonstrated it to. Being a limited release this book was practically sold out before it was even printed rendering in depth reviews somewhat redundant. Likewise anyone that has purchased anything from Atlas in the past knows that he does not release duds. I would buy anything from Atlas sight unseen not only because of the quality of his releases but also because of his integrity. I'm pretty sure that part of Atlas vetting process is making sure that the person is going to be happy with their purchase. TT does exactly what it says on the tin, the book is extremely well written, well laid out and extremely well printed. It's a thing of beauty from start to finish and along with my Devil in Disguised DVD's one of my most prized possessions. I would not sell my copy at any price.

Mark
Message: Posted by: fadattf (Jul 26, 2014 06:18AM)
I second the post above.
Atlas has released only top products.
I haven't seen the effect till today but I love the book/effect.
Wouldn't sell the book either :)
Message: Posted by: kinesis (Jul 26, 2014 06:19AM)
[quote]On Jul 26, 2014, Clel-Mentalist wrote:
I'm not interested in owning this until reviews are out or there is an effect demo.
[/quote]

David I doubt very much if you'll ever get either.

People that have TT are keeping details of this effect a closely guarded secret. Why? Because it IS the closest thing to real mind reading to be released to date. The fact that Atlas is vetting everyone that would like a copy isn't a gimmick, it's a safeguard on an investment. No one has an automatic right to a copy. Atlas doesn't need clever marketing or hype. All he has to do is perform it. Atlas performed it at MINDS in front of approx. 80 mentalists. After the reveal there was a fleeting moment of silence as every mentalist in the room thought "O...M...G" (or words to that effect) before bursting into spontaneous loud applause and cheers. If you can impress mentalists like that think what you can do with a lay audience.

Derek
Message: Posted by: rasp (Jul 26, 2014 06:53AM)
Mark_Chandaue and Kinesis are right, this is one to keep firmly under wraps and only should be discussed between owners of the book........ whether outsiders believe the 'hype' or not doesn't worry me. I know I now have in my possession a huge nugget of gold!!

Rasp.
Message: Posted by: Looch (Jul 26, 2014 07:16AM)
I've said this before, I'm rarely left wondering wtf just happened and I did when I first experienced TT. It IS leap forward and it IS something very special. Im very happy to have a copy and I know in years to come I will be very happy to have put in the hard work to be able to add this to my repertoire
Message: Posted by: jaizon (Jul 26, 2014 08:33AM)
The forum for TT owners, set up by SeattleSteve and Atlas is the only place to discuss the details of this piece, period. If the endorsement of the the notables in this thread is not enough to encourage anyone with a sincere interest to try and get one of the dozen or so copies that are left...well...I predict they will be kicking themselves in the butt for a long time to come. Get onboard or be left standing at the station. Cheers. ;)
Message: Posted by: SolidSnake (Jul 26, 2014 10:18AM)
I think I'll wait for another train
Message: Posted by: Paul Fitzgerald (Jul 26, 2014 11:21AM)
Number 120 arrived in Zug, Switzerland this morning.
Forum invitation also received.
Many thanks to Atlas and Seattle Steve.
Best Rgds,
Paul.
Message: Posted by: BCE (Jul 26, 2014 03:36PM)
#69 here in Phoenix. (-------) is my new favorite color. (So as to honor my word not to say anything that would compromise the integrity of the project, will not even mention the color of the book cover.) Thank you, Atlas, and thank you, Seattle Steve - much gratitude to both of you. Will probably log in to the new forum some time tomorrow or next week.
Message: Posted by: brad12d3 (Jul 26, 2014 04:32PM)
I tried to send you a pm Atlas, but your inbox is full. Popular guy these days! :-)

I have purchased Train Tracking and am waiting for it to arrive. However, in the meantime I would love to experience it first hand the next time you are on skype. Sounds exciting!
Message: Posted by: RedDevil (Jul 26, 2014 04:36PM)
Have had mine already four days, and I have already learned a lot. I can't say I have mastered it in any sense, but I have become able to use it and have fun with it with a few friends and family as I experiment. Also discovered a few tricks/tips with it. Can't wait to share in forum when I am registered.

lovin it...
Message: Posted by: ajb6864 (Jul 26, 2014 05:50PM)
[quote]On Jul 26, 2014, Clel-Mentalist wrote:
I think I'll wait for another train [/quote]

It's not very often I post a response to another member's comments, but I really can't see why you have to keep posting such comments when you have no idea what you are actually commenting about.

We have all had our fingers burnt with bad purchases, but to keep putting forward your opinion about something you haven't seen seems ridiculous.

If you feel it is not for you after reading the material, you can freely say why, but you really need to find out what you are talking about before your opinion is of any value to anyone.

Let love and friendship reign!
Message: Posted by: Robert P. (Jul 26, 2014 08:07PM)
I know some have voted to close this thread, but I don't see why it can't remain open. I've read most of the pages in here, debating back and forth, back and forth, if I should purchase it, but eventually (and reluctantly) decided against it because the cost is too much for me personally. Being a hobbyist who admires and appreciates this art, I had to decide that my limited budget would instead go towards The Artful Mentalism of Bob Cassidy Vol. 2 (and then other books later on down the line).

But even though I don't own Train Tracking, I would still like to read the conversation going on about it. Knowing Atlas from his other work, I think this has the potential to be something special, and it is great reading about others' reactions to experiencing and trying to learn it. Since the method takes a considerable amount of effort, and has many layers, I don't believe that exposure should be a problem (and in no way am I endorsing trying to fish for the method). Any method talk should strictly remain in the new TT forum.

But please, keep sharing your thoughts on why you like it or don't like it. Post some performances when you do get there, and if somebody would like to try it out on me, I would be a very willing guinea pig as I have yet to experience it. To me it sounds fantastic and the thinking and passion behind it is one of the reasons I love this art. That is why I memorized a stack, learn the peg system and other mnemonic techniques to memorize a random deck of cards, etc. Even if it is work, the payoff is worth it so others can have that moment of astonishment that I've had when I see something amazing.
Message: Posted by: sandsjr (Jul 26, 2014 09:34PM)
[quote]On Jul 26, 2014, Robert P. wrote:
I know some have voted to close this thread, but I don't see why it can't remain open. [/quote]

Because you'll have people constantly trying to bait people that own the effect. This is an effect that's going to require a good deal of time to master. If someone uses you as their guinea pig that means they don't know the system the way they should otherwise why would they need to use you.

There are plenty of people to experiment with in the user forum.

If it were up to me, I'd say to the people that purchased the effect don't ever refer to it as Train Tracking. It's a small club you paid good money to be a member of. Don't be so quick to give it up. There are still some copies left so it's fair game and available to anyone who wants to spend their own hard earned money.
Message: Posted by: Magic.Maddy (Jul 26, 2014 11:28PM)
I FINALLY came home and found my book waiting for me on my bed :D

Just started reading and it is SOOOO good.

Atlas goes through the development of the effect and how it grew over time. I even love the beginning stages of it. If he had sold his first stages of development, people would have been extremely happy to buy it and may have even called THAT the holy grail. But Atlas didn't stop developing. He kept developing and KEPT developing and ended with something phenomenal. This is seriously as close to the real thing as people will ever get.

Also, I think I'm learning it at a very good pace. I really think I'll have it all down in a month or so.
Message: Posted by: Investigative Mentalist (Jul 27, 2014 03:28AM)
The usefulness of this public thread is diminishing rapidly.

The owners of TT rave about how great it is.

A few non-owners complain about all the hype.

Meanwhile there are very few copies of TT left for sale.

All further discussion of TT should take place in the private TT Owners Forum which now has 94 Posts in 18 Topics by 89 Members.

There is no point continuing to talk about TT here because if you don't already own a copy of TT, you're probably not getting one.

Therefore, I'd like to see the moderators move this thread to Inner Thoughts or delete it altogether.
Message: Posted by: shakuni (Jul 27, 2014 03:33AM)
Although I don't have a copy yet, I'd also vote for moving this thread to Inner Thoughts. Thanks
Message: Posted by: Funnybaldbloke (Jul 27, 2014 03:51AM)
Yes, I agree with Steve, move or delete please.
Message: Posted by: Martin Pulman (Jul 27, 2014 04:37AM)
I think some people who have purchased Train Tracking are taking themselves a little too seriously with talk of deleting threads etc. The effect was first promoted on this public forum, it was debated up to its release on this public forum, and if others continue to wish to debate its merits I see no reason why that should not take place on this public forum (as long as the Café rules about debating methods are not broken.)
If it wasn't for the Penny thread many of us would not be alerted to new releases, or be reminded of things we've missed along the way. I for one would hate to see Penny turn into a place where threads are deleted once certain members had got their hands on a product. It smacks of elitism.
Message: Posted by: Atlas (Jul 27, 2014 05:07AM)
I agree with Martin. This thread has every right to continue to exist.

The only reason any thread ought to be deleted would be due to exposure, and that can only occur when people who own the book unwittingly act in a way that is careless and gives some insight into the method.

These exchanges are nearly always the result of interaction with a small group of people who make thoughtless or intentionally uncharitable posts whose real intention is to incite those who actually are aware of the method to engage in an argument wherein proofs are required by the ignorant and they are self-righteously supplied by those who should know better.

Bit by bit, the exposure becomes complete and the curious are satisfied.

Our secrets are destroyed by those who purport to be able to keep them.

So long as that does not happen here, there is no reason that his thread should not remain in existence.

My advice is to ignore those who want to argue. They usually have ulterior motives - and in my experience, your best interests are rarely amongst them.

Best,

Atlas
Message: Posted by: Martin Pulman (Jul 27, 2014 05:12AM)
Love your pulsing Avatar. Atlas! Is there no end to your talents!!!
Message: Posted by: XyGreg (Jul 27, 2014 05:40AM)
Atlas said everything :)
Message: Posted by: takeachance (Jul 27, 2014 06:35AM)
[quote]On Jul 25, 2014, guitarmagic wrote:

All who have invested and sacrificed their money, work, time, efforts and honor towards Atlas, the support of our beloved art and his EXCELLENT WORK . . . lets expand, extrapolate and work further towards discovery on the Train Tracking Forum created graciously by SeattleSteve. I think enough has been revealed for the casual performer and layman. [/quote]


It doesn't get more elitist than that
Message: Posted by: mastermindreader (Jul 27, 2014 09:48AM)
I still want to know who sacrificed their "honor" to Atlas. I'd love to hear the juicy details. :eek:
Message: Posted by: Magic.Maddy (Jul 27, 2014 09:51AM)
[quote]On Jul 27, 2014, mastermindreader wrote:
I still want to know who sacrificed their "honor" to Atlas. I'd love to hear the juicy details. :eek: [/quote]


HAHAHAHA I'm dying, Bob XP
Message: Posted by: Lar (Jul 27, 2014 01:52PM)
[quote]On Jul 27, 2014, Martin Pulman wrote:
Love your pulsing Avatar. Atlas! Is there no end to your talents!!! [/quote]

I've met the bloke and I did notice that his head pulses in real-life too just like in his avatar. You need dim lighting to see it though.

Cheers,
Lar.
Message: Posted by: Robert P. (Jul 27, 2014 06:49PM)
[quote]On Jul 27, 2014, Martin Pulman wrote:
Love your pulsing Avatar. Atlas! Is there no end to your talents!!! [/quote]

Did his avatar always do that? (I just noticed it, haha)

Anyways, I was going to come in to respond but I think you and Atlas said it better than I could have. Now to get back to sacrificing some honor...
Message: Posted by: reese (Jul 27, 2014 07:27PM)
[quote]On Jul 27, 2014, mastermindreader wrote:
I still want to know who sacrificed their "honor" to Atlas. I'd love to hear the juicy details. :eek: [/quote]
I don't want to see the video!
Message: Posted by: Magic.Maddy (Jul 27, 2014 08:13PM)
This works best one on one or for a small group. But it can be done on stage as well. As a matter of fact, Atlas SLAYS with it on stage.

With a lay audience, this is a true miracle. And utterly impossible. It's not one of those effects that was made to fool magicians. It was made to give a spectator a feeling of REAL mind reading and I swear it does. Mark Elsdon nailed it on the head when he said this about train tracking: "It feels like he's walking around inside your head." It truly does feel this way. It feels like the mentalist knows your every thought.

I honestly you can't compare this to a book test. It's totally different. The problem with book test in layman eyes is why? "Why do I have to say stop on a 'random' page to think of a 'random' word? Why can't I just think of a random word?" "Why do I have to write it down only for it to get torn up? That's the only logical way he could have known my word." We performers try to come up with good explanations for it, and sometimes we do! But that thought is still in the back of their minds. With TT (weird how TT suddenly went from meaning Thumb Tip to meaning Train Tracking. Bet that will confuse some older ones at some point ;) ) they REALLY think of ANY word they want. There's no books, no lists, no restrictions, and no process behind the selection of the word.


But the TT itself is fun for the participant. And it is all covered by great presentation. The biggest difference is instead of reading one thought, you read their EVERY thought. And it all happened inside their own head.


I personally wouldn't use this as an opener or closer. Although you absolutely could. I think it's biggest value is using it when I meet someone who wants me to read their mind. Or for a potential client. It works great in that sense because you would only have to do TT for them to book a show. Nothing else.

The only problem with TT is that it's going to be an experience tht I don't think could be topped. It's almost TOO strong. TOO real.

However, if using the stage presentation, it isn't as strong simply because the only person tht truly experiences it is the one who actually thinks of everything. Because of that, it could fit in anywhere ito the act and would be an amazing piece for the audience to witness but also wouldn't be SO strong that it couldn't be topped.

Let's pretend that mind reading truly does exist and YOU have just had the opportunity to meet him. Here are two options. Which one would affect you more?

1) You meet the mind reader face to face and he tells you your every thought.
Or
2) You go to the mind readers stage show and he reads every thought of someone on the other side of the room.

Obviously it would be WAY stronger to experience it yourself. That's the same with this. That's why I, personally, don't think I'll use it on stage.



Hope this helps.
Message: Posted by: mastermindreader (Jul 27, 2014 08:33PM)
Good input Maddy. But I disagree with EVERYTHING you said about book tests. There are excellent reasons for using a book rather than having a word selected at random- the main one being that most people will not think of very imaginative or difficult words. I emphasize that when I bring out an unabridged dictionary, pointing out that it contains nearly ten times as many words as most people have in their entire vocabularies.

It's all in the presentation, as always.
Message: Posted by: Magic.Maddy (Jul 27, 2014 08:48PM)
[quote]On Jul 27, 2014, mastermindreader wrote:
Good input Maddy. But I disagree with EVERYTHING you said about book tests. There are excellent reasons for using a book rather than having a word selected at random- the main one being that most people will not think of very imaginative or difficult words. I emphasize that when I bring out an unabridged dictionary, pointing out that it contains nearly ten times as many words as most people have in their entire vocabularies.

It's all in the presentation, as always. [/quote]


I KNEW you would say that! Maybe I really am a Mentalist after all!

Hehe, like I said, it has been done. There have been great presentations associated with them. I've even been told "that was the best trick I've ever seen you do" about a book test in one of my shows. By someone that had seen many of my shows. But because of the way it's presented, by the end of the routine they forgot the book was ever in play. It killed.


HOWEVER I have seen MANY terrible performances of book tests. Enough to know that most performers completely skip the important part of giving it context.




But glad you liked the input otherwise! :)
Message: Posted by: Scott Soloff (Jul 27, 2014 10:05PM)
[quote]On Jul 26, 2014, kinesis wrote:
If you can impress mentalists like that think what you can do with a lay audience.
[/quote]

Derek,

I could be wrong here. If you're (not you personally) doing your job properly, the lay audience shouldn't know the difference.

Best wishes,


Scott
p.s. My intention is not to start a s#%* storm.
Message: Posted by: Magic.Maddy (Jul 27, 2014 10:08PM)
[quote]On Jul 27, 2014, Scott Soloff wrote:
[quote]On Jul 26, 2014, kinesis wrote:
If you can impress mentalists like that think what you can do with a lay audience.
[/quote]

Derek,

I could be wrong here. If you're (not you personally) doing your job properly, the lay audience shouldn't know the difference.

Best wishes,


Scott
p.s. My intention is not to start a s#%* storm. [/quote]

I think his point is that if mentalist are so amazed by it and think it feels real, how much more real does it feel to the laymen
Message: Posted by: SolidSnake (Jul 27, 2014 10:21PM)
Not necessarily true. Sometimes magic tricks that are designed to be magician foolers can be too convoluted for a lay audience.
Message: Posted by: Magic.Maddy (Jul 27, 2014 10:28PM)
[quote]On Jul 27, 2014, Clel-Mentalist wrote:
Not necessarily true. Sometimes magic tricks that are designed to be magician foolers can be too convoluted for a lay audience. [/quote]


This wasn't designed to be a magician fooled (as I stated above)


Why are you still up young man!? :)
Message: Posted by: mastermindreader (Jul 27, 2014 10:29PM)
[quote]On Jul 27, 2014, Magic.Maddy wrote:


I think his point is that if mentalist are so amazed by it and think it feels real, how much more real does it feel to the laymen [/quote]

I think one has nothing whatsoever to do with the other. Mentalists and magicians are often amazed by things that lay audiences could care less about, or even notice. I've had mentalists amazed at my billet switches, for example. Regular audiences aren't amazed at all because they never even notice them.

Mentalists and laymen are entirely different audiences in almost every respect.

(I haven't read Train Tracking yet, but I am very much looking forward to, because I have a lot of respect for Atlas's work. So until I've read it, learned it, and actually performed it for laymen, I don't feel qualified to offer any opinion on it at all.)

Good thoughts,

Bob
Message: Posted by: sandsjr (Jul 27, 2014 10:38PM)
[quote]On Jul 27, 2014, mastermindreader wrote:
Mentalists and magicians are often amazed by things that lay audiences could care less about[/quote]

A perfect example of this is ACAAN, The HOLY GRAIL to many.

To a lay person there's no difference between the cleanest version you've ever seen and the invisible deck. In fact, I almost think lay people like the invisible deck better for some reason.
Message: Posted by: Magic.Maddy (Jul 27, 2014 10:44PM)
[quote]On Jul 27, 2014, mastermindreader wrote:
[quote]On Jul 27, 2014, Magic.Maddy wrote:


I think his point is that if mentalist are so amazed by it and think it feels real, how much more real does it feel to the laymen [/quote]

I think one has nothing whatsoever to do with the other. Mentalists and magicians are often amazed by things that lay audiences could care less about, or even notice. I've had mentalists amazed at my billet switches, for example. Regular audiences aren't amazed at all because they never even notice them.

Mentalists and laymen are entirely different audiences in almost every respect.

(I haven't read Train Tracking yet, but I am very much looking forward to, because I have a lot of respect for Atlas's work. So until I've read it, learned it, and actually performed it for laymen, I don't feel qualified to offer any opinion on it at all.)

Good thoughts,

Bob [/quote]


I agree. I was just trying to interpret Derek's post to Scott :)
Message: Posted by: mastermindreader (Jul 27, 2014 10:48PM)
Yes, I knew that Maddy. I am, after all, the master mind reader.:eek:
Message: Posted by: Magic.Maddy (Jul 27, 2014 10:50PM)
[quote]On Jul 27, 2014, mastermindreader wrote:
Yes, I knew that Maddy. I am, after all, the master mind reader.:eek: [/quote]

Tis true!

ALL HAIL THE MASTER MIND READER!! :)
Message: Posted by: sandsjr (Jul 27, 2014 10:50PM)
[quote]On Jul 27, 2014, sandsjr wrote:
[quote]On Jul 27, 2014, mastermindreader wrote:
Mentalists and magicians are often amazed by things that lay audiences could care less about[/quote]

A perfect example of this is ACAAN, The HOLY GRAIL to many.

To a lay person there's no difference between the cleanest version you've ever seen and the invisible deck. In fact, I almost think lay people like the invisible deck better for some reason. [/quote]

Let me correct that... with CAAN there's no difference. Sorry! I haven't thought about magic for a while.
Message: Posted by: mastermindreader (Jul 27, 2014 10:56PM)
Except for the fact that the Invisible Deck has been so widely exposed to laymen that I would rarely use it as usually presented. (I have used it, however, in ways that it would never be suspected, such as in a You Do as I Do routine with two decks.)
Message: Posted by: sandsjr (Jul 27, 2014 11:19PM)
[quote]On Jul 27, 2014, mastermindreader wrote:
Except for the fact that the Invisible Deck has been so widely exposed to laymen that I would rarely use it as usually presented. (I have used it, however, in ways that it would never be suspected, such as in a You Do as I Do routine with two decks.) [/quote]

Right. I know of a beautiful effect that uses it where nobody would suspect it. Amazing how many buried treasures there are.

I sent you a PM.
Message: Posted by: RedDevil (Jul 28, 2014 11:25AM)
Any updates on when the rest of us late purchasers will be approved to enter the forum (I am 146)? Looking forward to exchanging ideas.

thanks!
Message: Posted by: Investigative Mentalist (Jul 28, 2014 11:36AM)
FYI ... Atlas just told me that all copies of TT have been sold.

For once, I was in the right place at the right time. Since I'm just getting started as a serious mentalist, I've missed out on many cool effects and products from the recent past that are no longer available.

For those of you lucky enough to own a copy of TT, the TT Owners Forum is rocking with 128 Posts in 22 Topics by 91 Members.

See you there!
Message: Posted by: Investigative Mentalist (Jul 28, 2014 11:42AM)
[quote]On Jul 28, 2014, RedDevil wrote:
Any updates on when the rest of us late purchasers will be approved to enter the forum (I am 146)? Looking forward to exchanging ideas.

thanks! [/quote]

There are a couple delays for adding the remaining TT members.

First of all, Atlas is on vacation. He has earned the time off after working hard to write, print and ship the TT books.

Second, we are changing the way that we set up members in the forum due to some problems we have encountered with the first batch of forum members.

So my advice is to read the book and practice TT. That will keep you plenty busy.

The forum is a resource to use AFTER you have read the book.

My "guess" is that we will get the rest of the TT owners added to the forum within about two weeks.
Message: Posted by: Paul S Wingham (Jul 28, 2014 12:38PM)
Thanks for the update seatle steve
Message: Posted by: sandsjr (Jul 28, 2014 01:05PM)
[quote]On Jul 28, 2014, SeattleSteve wrote:
[quote]On Jul 28, 2014, RedDevil wrote:
Any updates on when the rest of us late purchasers will be approved to enter the forum (I am 146)? Looking forward to exchanging ideas.

thanks! [/quote]

There are a couple delays for adding the remaining TT members.

First of all, Atlas is on vacation. He has earned the time off after working hard to write, print and ship the TT books.

Second, we are changing the way that we set up members in the forum due to some problems we have encountered with the first batch of forum members.

So my advice is to read the book and practice TT. That will keep you plenty busy.

The forum is a resource to use AFTER you have read the book.

My "guess" is that we will get the rest of the TT owners added to the forum within about two weeks. [/quote]

Steve, nothing is ever as simple as it first looks. :-)

I will suggest anybody that has a few extra bucks laying around that bought the book and is joining the forum, paypal Steve over a beer. He deserves it! :-)

Bobby
Message: Posted by: brad12d3 (Jul 28, 2014 02:08PM)
[quote]On Jul 28, 2014, SeattleSteve wrote:
FYI ... Atlas just told me that all copies of TT have been sold.

For once, I was in the right place at the right time. Since I'm just getting started as a serious mentalist, I've missed out on many cool effects and products from the recent past that are no longer available.

For those of you lucky enough to own a copy of TT, the TT Owners Forum is rocking with 128 Posts in 22 Topics by 91 Members.

See you there! [/quote]

I bought a copy a few days ago... or at least I hope I did. Sent a payment, but haven't received any info on shipping. I also tried emailing Atlas about chatting on Skype sometime but haven't heard anything,.. probably since he is on vacation.

I don't suppose there is anyway of finding out if a book is getting shipped to me or not? The link to purchase the book is still active and probably needs to be deactivated so Atlas doesn't receive a bunch of payments for books that aren't available anymore. One less headache he'll have to deal with when he gets back. :-)

I do kind of wonder if my payment made it in on time or not. I don't mind waiting for the book to come in the mail. I know it's been a lot of work getting these books out and setting up the forum, and I am a pretty patient guy. However, if I didn't make the cut, then I could certainly use that $300 on some other things at the moment. :-)

Anyone available who can give me more info on my order?

Thanks in advance.
Message: Posted by: shakuni (Jul 28, 2014 02:23PM)
The link to buy was taken off a couple days ago. Please refresh your web browser and check.
Message: Posted by: learachel (Jul 28, 2014 02:39PM)
I bought a copy a few days ago... or at least I hope I did. Sent a payment, but haven't received any info on shipping. I also tried emailing Atlas about chatting on Skype sometime but haven't heard anything,.. probably since he is on vacation.

I don't suppose there is anyway of finding out if a book is getting shipped to me or not? The link to purchase the book is still active and probably needs to be deactivated so Atlas doesn't receive a bunch of payments for books that aren't available anymore. One less headache he'll have to deal with when he gets back. :-

I do kind of wonder if my payment made it in on time or not. I don't mind waiting for the book to come in the mail. I know it's been a lot of work getting these books out and setting up the forum, and I am a pretty patient guy. However, if I didn't make the cut, then I could certainly use that $300 on some other things at the moment. :-)

Anyone available who can give me more info on my order?

Thanks in advance. [/quote]


The same for me! Nothing!
Message: Posted by: brad12d3 (Jul 28, 2014 03:02PM)
[quote]On Jul 28, 2014, shakuni wrote:
The link to buy was taken off a couple days ago. Please refresh your web browser and check. [/quote]

The link that Atlas provides on page 10 of this thread is still active though: http://www.atlasmentalism.com/TrainTracking.html

Also, if you google search "train tracking atlas brookings" the same link is the second result on the page. I just don't want the guy to have to deal with a whole bunch of cancellations/refunds and get bombarded by emails from people wondering where their book is. He's put a lot of work into this and deserves a break. :-)
Message: Posted by: Atlas (Jul 28, 2014 03:09PM)
Don't worry you two, I got your orders fine and they will go out tomorrow afternoon when I get back.

Best,

Atlas
Message: Posted by: brad12d3 (Jul 28, 2014 03:20PM)
[quote]On Jul 28, 2014, MagicAtlas wrote:
Don't worry you two, I got your orders fine and they will go out tomorrow afternoon when I get back.

Best,

Atlas [/quote]

Thank you for the quick reply Atlas. Look forward to it!
Message: Posted by: Mind Guerrilla (Jul 28, 2014 03:31PM)
Judging from previous posts, Train Tracking clearly goes over well with mentalists. There are effects which go over well with mentalists but which may not impress a lay audience as much (In the same way aspects of a a virtuoso musical performance may impress a fellow musician but may fly over the head of Joe Public).

I don't own Train Tracking so I ask those who do: How do you think it will go over with a general audience, compared to more traditional offerings in a mentalist's repertoire? Is it suitable as an opener? Closer? For stage? For walkaraound? About how long does it take to perform? Thanks, in advance, for any feedback.
Message: Posted by: brad12d3 (Jul 28, 2014 03:32PM)
Hey wasn't there a paypal email for seattlesteve if we wanted to make a donation for his work on the forum? I'm not in yet, but I know it will be a fantastic resource and he's put a lot of work into it.
Message: Posted by: learachel (Jul 28, 2014 03:40PM)
[quote]On Jul 28, 2014, MagicAtlas wrote:
Don't worry you two, I got your orders fine and they will go out tomorrow afternoon when I get back.

Best,

Atlas [/quote]
Thank you .I ll be patient , no problem.

Simon

Belgium
Message: Posted by: sandsjr (Jul 28, 2014 03:40PM)
[quote]On Jul 28, 2014, brad12d3 wrote:
Hey wasn't there a paypal email for seattlesteve if we wanted to make a donation for his work on the forum? I'm not in yet, but I know it will be a fantastic resource and he's put a lot of work into it. [/quote]

PM him. I'm sure he'll appreciate the love.
Message: Posted by: John Locke (Jul 29, 2014 03:16PM)
Ahh! At last my copy of Train Tracking #88 has arrived in Toronto, Canada.
As many others have mentioned, it is a beautiful book.
And I look forward to starting it this afternoon.
Thanks Atlas for producing this creation which has produced much more than a ripple on the Café so far!

John M.
Message: Posted by: Mark Storms (Jul 29, 2014 03:36PM)
Has SeattleSteve Added all owners to the forum yet? I haven't seen an invite yet.
Message: Posted by: fadattf (Jul 29, 2014 03:59PM)
[quote]On Jul 29, 2014, Mark Storms wrote:
Has SeattleSteve Added all owners to the forum yet? I haven't seen an invite yet. [/quote]
He is a bit busy and they changed the way to create users.
He thinks he will have added all users within two weeks.
Message: Posted by: Mark Storms (Jul 29, 2014 07:17PM)
Thanks for the update.
Message: Posted by: Investigative Mentalist (Jul 29, 2014 11:49PM)
[quote]On Jul 29, 2014, Mark Storms wrote:
Has SeattleSteve Added all owners to the forum yet? I haven't seen an invite yet. [/quote]

We are not adding any "new" TT owners to the forum at this time, I need to wait until Atlas gets home from vacation to work out a new method.

However, if your TT book number is between 30-141 you should have received a "welcome" email a few days ago with your username and password.

If you are in that group and did NOT find the email in your "junk mail" box, PM me and I will give you your username & password from my master list.
Message: Posted by: shakuni (Jul 30, 2014 08:49AM)
If you have received the book and feel that its something that you will not perform, then kindly consider selling it to someone who will! Send me a PM :)
Thanks!
Message: Posted by: jaizon (Jul 30, 2014 08:58AM)
[quote]On Jul 30, 2014, shakuni wrote:
If you have received the book and feel that its something that you will not perform, then kindly consider selling it to someone who will! Send me a PM :)
Thanks! [/quote]


I'm not sure how Atlas would feel about that since he did do some vetting when he sold it and this would negate that process. Of course it is their book to do with as they choose.

I believe Atlas still have a small quantity of copies left if you are interested.

Even if someone didn't like it or would not perform it surely this book will quickly increase in value and in, say, one year could easily be worth twice its purchase price.
Message: Posted by: Martin Pulman (Jul 30, 2014 09:08AM)
[quote]On Jul 30, 2014, jaizon wrote:
[quote]On Jul 30, 2014, shakuni wrote:
If you have received the book and feel that its something that you will not perform, then kindly consider selling it to someone who will! Send me a PM :)
Thanks! [/quote]


I'm not sure how Atlas would feel about that since he did do some vetting when he sold it and this would negate that process. Of course it is their book to do with as they choose.

I believe Atlas still have a small quantity of copies left if you are interested.

Even if someone didn't like it or would not perform it surely this book will quickly increase in value and in, say, one year could easily be worth twice its purchase price. [/quote]

It's all about the coin these days isn't it. :(
Message: Posted by: ZachDavenport (Jul 30, 2014 09:11AM)
I'm just curious, how much did this end up costing?
Message: Posted by: shakuni (Jul 30, 2014 09:19AM)
[quote]I'm not sure how Atlas would feel about that since he did do some vetting when he sold it and this would negate that process.[/quote]

I cleared the process, but got too late. The book is already sold out.

I have permission from Atlas to buy the book from anyone who feels that its not for him. You can contact Atlas to confirm.
Message: Posted by: jaizon (Jul 30, 2014 10:19AM)
[quote]On Jul 30, 2014, shakuni wrote:
[quote]I'm not sure how Atlas would feel about that since he did do some vetting when he sold it and this would negate that process.[/quote]

I cleared the process, but got too late. The book is already sold out.

I have permission from Atlas to buy the book from anyone who feels that its not for him. You can contact Atlas to confirm. [/quote]


Well, that's great. Best of luck getting a copy.
Message: Posted by: shakuni (Jul 30, 2014 10:37AM)
Thanks Sir! :)
Message: Posted by: Investigative Mentalist (Jul 30, 2014 06:03PM)
Atlas has added many new TT owners to the forum over the past 24 owners.

So by now, everyone who has a copy of the book should have received a "welcome" email containing your username and password.

Check your "junk mail" and "spam" folders if you don't see it in your "In Box"

You must click on the link in that email to activate your forum account.

We now have 170 Posts in 30 Topics by 130 Members, so the forum is rocking.
Message: Posted by: brad12d3 (Jul 30, 2014 06:12PM)
[quote]On Jul 30, 2014, SeattleSteve wrote:
Atlas has added many new TT owners to the forum over the past 24 owners.

So by now, everyone who has a copy of the book should have received a "welcome" email containing your username and password.

Check your "junk mail" and "spam" folders if you don't see it in your "In Box"

You must click on the link in that email to activate your forum account.

We now have 170 Posts in 30 Topics by 130 Members, so the forum is rocking. [/quote]

I got mine! Thank you very much for all your hard work Steve. It's much appreciated.
Message: Posted by: Mind Guerrilla (Jul 30, 2014 06:21PM)
[quote]On Jul 28, 2014, Mind Guerrilla wrote:
Judging from previous posts, Train Tracking clearly goes over well with mentalists. There are effects which go over well with mentalists but which may not impress a lay audience as much (In the same way aspects of a a virtuoso musical performance may impress a fellow musician but may fly over the head of Joe Public).

I don't own Train Tracking so I ask those who do: How do you think it will go over with a general audience, compared to more traditional offerings in a mentalist's repertoire? Is it suitable as an opener? Closer? For stage? For walkaraound? About how long does it take to perform? Thanks, in advance, for any feedback. [/quote]

Anybody?
Message: Posted by: Magic.Maddy (Jul 30, 2014 06:46PM)
[quote]On Jul 30, 2014, Mind Guerrilla wrote:
[quote]On Jul 28, 2014, Mind Guerrilla wrote:
Judging from previous posts, Train Tracking clearly goes over well with mentalists. There are effects which go over well with mentalists but which may not impress a lay audience as much (In the same way aspects of a a virtuoso musical performance may impress a fellow musician but may fly over the head of Joe Public).

I don't own Train Tracking so I ask those who do: How do you think it will go over with a general audience, compared to more traditional offerings in a mentalist's repertoire? Is it suitable as an opener? Closer? For stage? For walkaraound? About how long does it take to perform? Thanks, in advance, for any feedback. [/quote]

Anybody? [/quote]


I answered all of your questions previously.
Message: Posted by: Magic.Maddy (Jul 30, 2014 06:48PM)
[quote]On Jul 27, 2014, Magic.Maddy wrote:
This works best one on one or for a small group. But it can be done on stage as well. As a matter of fact, Atlas SLAYS with it on stage.

With a lay audience, this is a true miracle. And utterly impossible. It's not one of those effects that was made to fool magicians. It was made to give a spectator a feeling of REAL mind reading and I swear it does. Mark Elsdon nailed it on the head when he said this about train tracking: "It feels like he's walking around inside your head." It truly does feel this way. It feels like the mentalist knows your every thought.

I honestly you can't compare this to a book test. It's totally different. The problem with book test in layman eyes is why? "Why do I have to say stop on a 'random' page to think of a 'random' word? Why can't I just think of a random word?" "Why do I have to write it down only for it to get torn up? That's the only logical way he could have known my word." We performers try to come up with good explanations for it, and sometimes we do! But that thought is still in the back of their minds. With TT (weird how TT suddenly went from meaning Thumb Tip to meaning Train Tracking. Bet that will confuse some older ones at some point ;) ) they REALLY think of ANY word they want. There's no books, no lists, no restrictions, and no process behind the selection of the word.


But the TT itself is fun for the participant. And it is all covered by great presentation. The biggest difference is instead of reading one thought, you read their EVERY thought. And it all happened inside their own head.


I personally wouldn't use this as an opener or closer. Although you absolutely could. I think it's biggest value is using it when I meet someone who wants me to read their mind. Or for a potential client. It works great in that sense because you would only have to do TT for them to book a show. Nothing else.

The only problem with TT is that it's going to be an experience tht I don't think could be topped. It's almost TOO strong. TOO real.

However, if using the stage presentation, it isn't as strong simply because the only person tht truly experiences it is the one who actually thinks of everything. Because of that, it could fit in anywhere ito the act and would be an amazing piece for the audience to witness but also wouldn't be SO strong that it couldn't be topped.

Let's pretend that mind reading truly does exist and YOU have just had the opportunity to meet him. Here are two options. Which one would affect you more?

1) You meet the mind reader face to face and he tells you your every thought.
Or
2) You go to the mind readers stage show and he reads every thought of someone on the other side of the room.

Obviously it would be WAY stronger to experience it yourself. That's the same with this. That's why I, personally, don't think I'll use it on stage.



Hope this helps. [/quote]

Here are the answers to all of your questions.
Message: Posted by: Nathan Pain (Jul 30, 2014 06:49PM)
Steve,

I haven't received any email yet...I am book 165. Do I need to do something other than wait longer?

Thanks,

Nathan
Message: Posted by: Robert P. (Jul 30, 2014 06:52PM)
Magic.Maddy, thanks for taking the time to post your thoughts. I appreciate and value your opinion and [url=http://www.themagiccafe.com/forums/viewtopic.php?topic=519699&forum=218&start=180]your review[/url] was one of the reasons I purchased Devin Knight's Penguin lecture.

Train Tracking seems to be really great, I hope I get a chance to experience it some time in the future.
Message: Posted by: Magic.Maddy (Jul 30, 2014 07:08PM)
[quote]On Jul 30, 2014, Robert P. wrote:
Magic.Maddy, thanks for taking the time to post your thoughts. I appreciate and value your opinion and [url=http://www.themagiccafe.com/forums/viewtopic.php?topic=519699&forum=218&start=180]your review[/url] was one of the reasons I purchased Devin Knight's Penguin lecture.

Train Tracking seems to be really great, I hope I get a chance to experience it some time in the future. [/quote]


Thank you, that really means a lot to me. It's nice to hear someone appreciates a little of my efforts :)
Message: Posted by: Investigative Mentalist (Jul 30, 2014 08:10PM)
[quote]On Jul 30, 2014, Nathan Pain wrote:
Steve,

I haven't received any email yet...I am book 165. Do I need to do something other than wait longer?

Thanks,

Nathan [/quote]

Atlas set up all the user accounts for books #142 and beyond.

I don't have a copy of those usernames and passwords yet. When I get them from Atlas you can PM me for your login info.
Message: Posted by: Nathan Pain (Jul 30, 2014 09:12PM)
Excellent! Thanks!

Nathan
Message: Posted by: Michael Zarek (Jul 31, 2014 01:40AM)
Just got back from vacation to find copy of train tracking in my mail :)
Only read the first variation by now and it's already awesom.

Thought didn't get a forum invite yet (copy number 154)
Message: Posted by: brad12d3 (Aug 1, 2014 01:45PM)
For those living in the states, how long did it take to get your book? I think Atlas sent mine out at the beginning of this week and I wonder if I'll get lucky and get it before I leave town on Sunday. I have a long flight from Texas to Ireland and it would be great to read it on the way.
Message: Posted by: Gaunt (Aug 1, 2014 03:36PM)
Brad12d3, I also live in the States, my copy was mailed on July 15 and I just received it a few minutes ago. Hope this helps.

Gaunt
Message: Posted by: jaizon (Aug 1, 2014 03:47PM)
Depends on how customs handles it.
Message: Posted by: Gaunt (Aug 1, 2014 04:01PM)
[quote]On Aug 1, 2014, jaizon wrote:
Depends on how customs handles it. [/quote]


Brad12d3, jaizon is correct. My copy may have been delayed in customs. Hopefully you will receive it in time for your trip.
Message: Posted by: Taveren001 (Aug 1, 2014 05:25PM)
I am happy to announce TT #172 has finally arrived in Pennsylvania. Took from July 17th til about July 29th to arrive. Must say, very worth the wait for this book. The layout and structure are superb and leads one down the primrose path towards easily understanding the subject material and putting it to memory for easy recollection and use. I am now considering Atlas' book The Prodigal and/or maybe even his The Right Thing. But, those two subjects are for a different forum.
Message: Posted by: Mind Guerrilla (Aug 1, 2014 07:32PM)
[quote]On Jul 28, 2014, Mind Guerrilla wrote:
Judging from previous posts, Train Tracking clearly goes over well with mentalists. There are effects which go over well with mentalists but which may not impress a lay audience as much (In the same way aspects of a a virtuoso musical performance may impress a fellow musician but may fly over the head of Joe Public).

I don't own Train Tracking so I ask those who do: How do you think it will go over with a general audience, compared to more traditional offerings in a mentalist's repertoire? Is it suitable as an opener? Closer? For stage? For walkaraound? About how long does it take to perform? Thanks, in advance, for any feedback. [/quote]
Thank you, Magic.Maddy, for addressing my post. Is there anyone else who would like to put in their two cents?
Message: Posted by: Seth speaks (Aug 2, 2014 01:31AM)
I think Atlas has been doing it for more mentalists lately due to the book coming out, but my understanding is that he has mainly been blowing the minds of lay audiences for several years. It obviously impresses mentalists and magicians tremendously, but I believe this is really designed for the general public. It is one of the most amazing pieces of work I have ever seen.
Message: Posted by: Martin Pulman (Aug 2, 2014 03:22AM)
The video of Atlas using TrTr (don't we have to reserve TT for its original magic use :) ) during his stage show is testament to the power of the method. The participant laughs in amazement, covers his mouth in shock and repeatedly shakes his head in disbelief. The look of wonder in the eyes of the other audience members is exactly what mentalism should be all about. And the applause and cheering are clearly heartfelt.

Great work Atlas. A very clever application of the TrTr principle that in my opinion has raised the bar on the particular technique you applied it to.
Message: Posted by: RedDevil (Aug 2, 2014 07:43AM)
I can assure you that the lay public is happy and the mentalist who performs it is happy. I asked my secretary yesterday to think of any word. I told her she was thinking of "pot" and several other things she was thinking. For five minutes, I overheard her telling people about it and asking "How did he do that?!"

I am extremely pleased with my purchase.
Message: Posted by: Luccky (Aug 2, 2014 08:41AM)
Got my TT one week ago and was overexited after reading this master piece of work. It´s a so clever and powerful method, I'm really amazed by atlas thinking. I started to translate/adapt the first step in french yesterday and performed it for 3 people. It hit each time ! Wow. And it´s only a part of TT. I feel like luke skywalker training out to master the force :)
Message: Posted by: Martin Pulman (Aug 2, 2014 11:33AM)
[quote]On Aug 2, 2014, Luccky wrote:
Got my TT one week ago and was overexited after reading this master piece of work. It´s a so clever and powerful method, I'm really amazed by atlas thinking. I started to translate/adapt the first step in french yesterday and performed it for 3 people. It hit each time ! Wow. And it´s only a part of TT. I feel like luke skywalker training out to master the force :) [/quote]

Be careful Luccky Skywalker. You may discover Atlas is your father...
Message: Posted by: RedDevil (Aug 2, 2014 04:41PM)
Got to share this story. Today I was in a large bookstore waiting for my wife and daughter to finish shopping. I saw this kid who was walking around from group to group asking them to pick a card, and I just grinned. I saw myself when I was 12 years old. I walked up while he was performing and asked if I could watch and that I performed sometimes too. I got him to do one for me, and I told him he did a great job, so I asked him if I could show him a few things as well. Anyways, I do TT for him, and he just asks me, "How did you know that?"

And then walks off. Awkward.

About half an hour later, I bump into him again with his mother, and I introduce myself and say that I admire his courage in approaching people and practicing his craft, and he asks me to do something else. I saw his cards, and I had my speed loader p with me, so I did a quick card to wallet. He kept asking me to teach him, and I told him where I worked and that maybe I would help him one day. I then ask him, "Can I do something for your mom." She looks at me and smiles and says sure (I had pointed to my wife and told her that I was waiting for her to get out of Starbuck's so that she knew I wasn't a stalker...).

So I said to her, I see you have a ring and that you are married, correct? There is no way I can know your husband, right? She agrees. I said, "Okay, I want you to think of your husband's name."

I then performed TT with her, and she giggled with delight as I told her many things she was thinking. I then said, and by the way, your husband's name is Gus, right? But I think that is short for Gustavo, isn't it?

Homerun. Everything you could ask for in a spec's reaction. I feel like I am 12 again...
Message: Posted by: guitarmagic (Aug 2, 2014 07:11PM)
Outstanding! Congratulations RedDevil as that is what it's all about. Makes me extremely encouraged excited and elated about Train Tracking and it's development.
Great work!
Message: Posted by: Investigative Mentalist (Aug 2, 2014 07:50PM)
[quote]On Aug 2, 2014, RedDevil wrote:
Got to share this story. Today I was in a large bookstore waiting for my wife and daughter to finish shopping. I saw this kid who was walking around from group to group asking them to pick a card, and I just grinned. I saw myself when I was 12 years old. I walked up while he was performing and asked if I could watch and that I performed sometimes too. I got him to do one for me, and I told him he did a great job, so I asked him if I could show him a few things as well. Anyways, I do TT for him, and he just asks me, "How did you know that?"

And then walks off. Awkward.

About half an hour later, I bump into him again with his mother, and I introduce myself and say that I admire his courage in approaching people and practicing his craft, and he asks me to do something else. I saw his cards, and I had my speed loader p with me, so I did a quick card to wallet. He kept asking me to teach him, and I told him where I worked and that maybe I would help him one day. I then ask him, "Can I do something for your mom." She looks at me and smiles and says sure (I had pointed to my wife and told her that I was waiting for her to get out of Starbuck's so that she knew I wasn't a stalker...).

So I said to her, I see you have a ring and that you are married, correct? There is no way I can know your husband, right? She agrees. I said, "Okay, I want you to think of your husband's name."

I then performed TT with her, and she giggled with delight as I told her many things she was thinking. I then said, and by the way, your husband's name is Gus, right? But I think that is short for Gustavo, isn't it?

Homerun. Everything you could ask for in a spec's reaction. I feel like I am 12 again... [/quote]

Great job RedDevil!

And thanks for sharing all your tips and newly developed "secrets" on the TT Owners Forum.

You are really taking TT and running with it, that's what the forum is all about.
Message: Posted by: John Locke (Aug 3, 2014 01:36PM)
Do I have to initiate a contact in order to join the TT Owners Forum or do I simply wait to be contacted?
Message: Posted by: Investigative Mentalist (Aug 3, 2014 01:52PM)
[quote]On Aug 3, 2014, John Locke wrote:
Do I have to initiate a contact in order to join the TT Owners Forum or do I simply wait to be contacted? [/quote]

Everyone who has a book has been added to the forum. Please check your "spam" email folder, lots of people are missing the "welcome" email.

If you still can't find it, PM Atlas or me.
Message: Posted by: bond19 (Aug 3, 2014 02:24PM)
There is a TT group on FaceBook too, with some great tips and ideas being discussed.
Message: Posted by: RedDevil (Aug 3, 2014 02:29PM)
Where is that? (facebook)
Message: Posted by: Magic.Maddy (Aug 3, 2014 10:52PM)
Performed TT today and it went FANTASTICALLY!! They were complety stumped.
Message: Posted by: Mr. Mindbender (Aug 4, 2014 12:53AM)
Just curious...

I read posts of people say they are performing this, yet the book has only been out a little while. I absolutely love TrTr and am currently reading though the book, absorbing the material, have "my shovel in hand and have begun digging". But, realistically, I see this as taking several weeks, if not a month or two to get this down to where I feel like I could perform it. Those that are performing it, are you using the novice presentation, the master presentation? Just curious, if so, how did you learn it so quickly? Or are you doing shortened versions? I'm stating to feel inferior!

;-)
Message: Posted by: Magic.Maddy (Aug 4, 2014 01:17AM)
[quote]On Aug 4, 2014, Mr. Mindbender wrote:
Just curious...

I read posts of people say they are performing this, yet the book has only been out a little while. I absolutely love TrTr and am currently reading though the book, absorbing the material, have "my shovel in hand and have begun digging". But, realistically, I see this as taking several weeks, if not a month or two to get this down to where I feel like I could perform it. Those that are performing it, are you using the novice presentation, the master presentation? Just curious, if so, how did you learn it so quickly? Or are you doing shortened versions? I'm stating to feel inferior!

;-) [/quote]

I act a lot so the memorization necessary was easy for me to remember. I remembered it all in 4 days. Then I let it soak into my brain by not doing anything with it for a few days. Then I started trying it on siblings. I did a LOT of that. The trial runs helped me know what I personally needed help with. I'm still doing the novice presentation and will continue to do so until it is second nature. Then, and only then, will I move on.
Message: Posted by: Heka Siosiri (Aug 4, 2014 01:22AM)
I am so upset. I keep reading your posts and my appetite is going crazy... but the cold reality is that usps probably lost my package.
I am not even going to the TTforum, this is bad enough.
Message: Posted by: Magic.Maddy (Aug 4, 2014 01:40AM)
[quote]On Aug 4, 2014, Heka Siosiri wrote:
I am so upset. I keep reading your posts and my appetite is going crazy... but the cold reality is that usps probably lost my package.
I am not even going to the TTforum, this is bad enough. [/quote]


Oh no... That's TERRIBLE. I'm sorry for your loss.

MAYBE it isn't lost
Message: Posted by: Michael Zarek (Aug 4, 2014 04:33AM)
The memorization is quite hard but if you stadied any memory techniques you should be able to learn this is 2-4 days (i don't have that much time latly so only remembered about 2/3 of it).
The hard part is getting so good with it that you can just jazz around in your performance (like Atlas can), but even if you just remember the process and use the novice presentation this still is an incredible effect for any layman.
Message: Posted by: Heka Siosiri (Aug 4, 2014 05:52AM)
[quote]On Aug 4, 2014, Magic.Maddy wrote:
[quote]On Aug 4, 2014, Heka Siosiri wrote:
I am so upset. I keep reading your posts and my appetite is going crazy... but the cold reality is that usps probably lost my package.
I am not even going to the TTforum, this is bad enough. [/quote]


Oh no... That's TERRIBLE. I'm sorry for your loss.

MAYBE it isn't lost [/quote]

It's "out for delivery" since two weeks...
Message: Posted by: C.J. (Aug 4, 2014 07:15AM)
[quote]On Aug 4, 2014, Heka Siosiri wrote:
[quote]On Aug 4, 2014, Magic.Maddy wrote:
[quote]On Aug 4, 2014, Heka Siosiri wrote:
I am so upset. I keep reading your posts and my appetite is going crazy... but the cold reality is that usps probably lost my package.
I am not even going to the TTforum, this is bad enough. [/quote]


Oh no... That's TERRIBLE. I'm sorry for your loss.

MAYBE it isn't lost [/quote]

It's "out for delivery" since two weeks... [/quote]

Hang in there. Sometimes the postage fairies seem to send things the long way around the world, and then hide the parcel in a customs locker for a while. Give it a little longer. I was starting to worry about mine, and thought "just a few more days". The day before I was going to email Atlas to ask about it, guess what turned up? :)
Message: Posted by: ZachDavenport (Aug 4, 2014 10:27AM)
I understand stand why this was limited addition, and I respect that, but for my own sake I wish I could get a copy. It sounds like the best thing since the double lift.
Message: Posted by: brehaut (Aug 4, 2014 02:07PM)
[quote]On Jul 28, 2014, MagicAtlas wrote:
Don't worry you two, I got your orders fine and they will go out tomorrow afternoon when I get back.

Best,

Atlas [/quote]


Atlas,

Tried to PM you but your box was full. Please PM when you get a chance. Thanks

Brehaut
Message: Posted by: Natural Mystic (Aug 4, 2014 06:00PM)
TT #108 finally arrived in Douglasville,GA

Oh Yeah!
Message: Posted by: RedDevil (Aug 4, 2014 06:11PM)
Darn...!

I was hoping I was the only one in GA with TT...
Message: Posted by: Rolyan (Aug 5, 2014 02:30PM)
[quote]On Aug 4, 2014, ZachDavenport wrote:
I understand stand why this was limited addition, and I respect that, but for my own sake I wish I could get a copy. It sounds like the best thing since the double lift. [/quote]
If you could see the owners only forum you would want it even more!
Message: Posted by: george1953 (Aug 5, 2014 04:00PM)
Afraid I missed the boat on this one too. :'(
Message: Posted by: guitarmagic (Aug 5, 2014 06:59PM)
[quote]On Aug 4, 2014, Heka Siosiri wrote:
[quote]On Aug 4, 2014, Magic.Maddy wrote:
[quote]On Aug 4, 2014, Heka Siosiri wrote:
I am so upset. I keep reading your posts and my appetite is going crazy... but the cold reality is that usps probably lost my package.
I am not even going to the TTforum, this is bad enough. [/quote]


Oh no... That's TERRIBLE. I'm sorry for your loss.

MAYBE it isn't lost [/quote]

It's "out for delivery" since two weeks... [/quote]

Be assured that Atlas WILL rectify the problems caused by the various carriers ASAP and get our copies to us. Mine is number #104 and . . . yes . . . it is still out there somewhere and possibly lost by the carrier . . . but these things DO HAPPEN at times.

Atlas is the best of men, reliable, trustworthy, but tremendously busy currently with bookings out of town away from records of our purchases, etc. . . . he should be home around a week or so to my knowledge . . . rest assured he will redress our concerns soon.

It will be worth the wait and . . . I'm thankful and grateful to even know that I HAVE A COPY COMING! :)
Message: Posted by: Heka Siosiri (Aug 5, 2014 07:17PM)
[quote]On Aug 5, 2014, guitarmagic wrote:

Be assured that Atlas WILL rectify the problems caused by the various carriers ASAP and get our copies to us. Mine is number #104 and . . . yes . . . it is still out there somewhere and possibly lost by the carrier . . . but these things DO HAPPEN at times.

Atlas is the best of men, reliable, trustworthy, but tremendously busy currently with bookings out of town away from records of our purchases, etc. . . . he should be home around a week or so to my knowledge . . . rest assured he will redress our concerns soon.

It will be worth the wait and . . . I'm thankful and grateful to even know that I HAVE A COPY COMING! :) [/quote]

I know, he's been kind enough to talk with me in fb, he cares a lot.
Now I just need to find the time to go to the post office again to ask to talk with the manager, my last try... then we'll see.
Message: Posted by: Medifro (Aug 7, 2014 03:52PM)
Is it too late for us who don't check forums regularly? :(
Message: Posted by: jaizon (Aug 7, 2014 04:36PM)
Unless someone decides to sell their copy, it looks like it is. And if this is not the book of the year for 2014 I would be quite surprised.
Message: Posted by: RNK (Aug 11, 2014 12:48PM)
I was happy to receive copy #200 or 200! Some superb thinking within these pages. I will admit I was initially apprehensive of spending $300.00 on a book relating to one principle. But boy was I wrong. After reading the first half of the book I was smiling from ear to ear! This principle has the potential to open a lot of doors to other things. Some in-depth thought went into Train Tracking and I now totally understand the price tag.

Fantastic material Atlas!!!!

RNK
Message: Posted by: brad12d3 (Aug 12, 2014 08:43AM)
[quote]On Aug 11, 2014, RNK wrote:
I was happy to receive copy #200 or 200! Some superb thinking within these pages. I will admit I was initially apprehensive of spending $300.00 on a book relating to one principle. But boy was I wrong. After reading the first half of the book I was smiling from ear to ear! This principle has the potential to open a lot of doors to other things. Some in-depth thought went into Train Tracking and I now totally understand the price tag.

Fantastic material Atlas!!!!

RNK [/quote]


Aww man! I was kind of hoping to get number 200! I got, 195.. so close... :-)

I haven't had the chance to read a whole lot, just got back from Ireland last night, but it is superb so far. I do like how he takes you through the journey of his early approach and how it evolved over time. It's a great way to lay the foundation. Very exciting stuff so far, look forward to seeing what the rest of the book has to offer.
Message: Posted by: phillsmiff (Aug 12, 2014 09:18AM)
My book hasn't even got a number, I feel left out now :-(

Phill
Message: Posted by: yachanin (Aug 12, 2014 09:44AM)
Hi Phill,

The absence of a number makes the book even more rare!

Regards, Steve
Message: Posted by: Mark_Chandaue (Aug 12, 2014 01:18PM)
Mine doesn't have a number either but it does have a nice message from Atlas.

Mark
Message: Posted by: C.J. (Aug 13, 2014 08:19AM)
I got #0. Mine is the most valuable!

Alas, it seems that not being a number between 1 and 200 left me off the list of members of the private forum. I keep having to remind myself to ask someone about that, and I keep forgetting.
Message: Posted by: phillsmiff (Aug 13, 2014 05:14PM)
I'm going to pencil -1 on mine, that'll do it.
Message: Posted by: Mark_Chandaue (Aug 13, 2014 05:29PM)
I'm going to pencil #1 of 1 on mine and pretend I'm the only one :)

Mark
Message: Posted by: phillsmiff (Aug 14, 2014 03:53AM)
Change of plan: I'm going to write 934 of 1500 and stick a Penguin Magic sticker on mine to drive everyone on this thread to fits of rage.
Message: Posted by: Mark_Chandaue (Aug 14, 2014 04:27AM)
Haha that made me chuckle Phil.

Mark
Message: Posted by: seamagu (Aug 14, 2014 05:33AM)
Haha I'm gonna put a library stamp and docket on mine
Message: Posted by: C.J. (Aug 14, 2014 06:11AM)
I'm decorating mine with glitter and sequins for that magical look.
Message: Posted by: j100taylor (Aug 14, 2014 09:29AM)
I have #1 of Mike Kemper's Brain Bracking http://www.lybrary.com/brain-bracking-p-526435.html
Message: Posted by: Magic.Maddy (Aug 14, 2014 09:44AM)
[quote]On Aug 14, 2014, j100taylor wrote:
I have #1 of Mike Kemper's Brain Bracking http://www.lybrary.com/brain-bracking-p-526435.html [/quote]

Oh goodness... Hahaha
Message: Posted by: phillsmiff (Aug 14, 2014 09:51AM)
Imitation is the sincerest form of battery.
Message: Posted by: Heka Siosiri (Aug 14, 2014 02:17PM)
[quote]On Aug 14, 2014, j100taylor wrote:
I have #1 of Mike Kemper's Brain Bracking http://www.lybrary.com/brain-bracking-p-526435.html [/quote]
Ahahah you need some steel balls to put out this
Message: Posted by: JanForster (Aug 15, 2014 12:52PM)
Yes, you need certainly... putting out something with this title. Method wise it is just a quite bold approach, but not really bad... You can work on it :) There are some great mentalists (I just think of my friend Colin McLeod) who created wonderful routines around this ploy ;) ... Jan
Message: Posted by: george1953 (Aug 15, 2014 01:31PM)
Just downloaded it out of curiosity - another few dollars I should have kept :-$
Message: Posted by: Martin Pulman (Aug 15, 2014 05:44PM)
[quote]On Aug 14, 2014, j100taylor wrote:
I have #1 of Mike Kemper's Brain Bracking http://www.lybrary.com/brain-bracking-p-526435.html [/quote]

Mentalism truly has become the domain of snake oil salesmen in the last fifteen years or so. I blame Luke Jermay. He was the first to have the nerve to charge money for a straight IS effect, "sexed up" in the ad as an ultra clean breakthrough in method. Thank goodness we still have people like Atlas who put years of thought, trial and error and testing into their creations.
Message: Posted by: Rolyan (Aug 16, 2014 06:22AM)
I don't know if LJ was the first to overcharge for IS, but he certainly wasnt the first mentalist or magician to overcharge. Rip offs have happened in magic for decades, before Luke and some on here were even born. I've found that the more I know, the less I get ripped off.
Message: Posted by: Martin Pulman (Aug 16, 2014 07:09AM)
Roylan, I didn't mention overcharging. I think "creators" have got a nerve to charge anything at all for a single, blatant IS effect.
Message: Posted by: Rolyan (Aug 17, 2014 03:24AM)
[quote]On Aug 16, 2014, Martin Pulman wrote:
Roylan, I didn't mention overcharging. I think "creators" have got a nerve to charge anything at all for a single, blatant IS effect. [/quote]
Then we disagree. I think creators can charge for a single, blatant (insert the technique/method) effect IF the effect is good enough.

I agree that Atlas is professional in his products and contacts. For example I was more than happy with his Crusade. However, this uses a standard, well known, in the public domain method. One single, blatant (not mentioned here) method. I was certain I knew what the method was BUT I wanted the presentation. Which is why I'm happy with the effect and purchase. IS is a method like any other and its the full routine, developed in the real world, with all its nuances, that makes something a rip off or not. Not the use of a singe method.
Message: Posted by: Martin Pulman (Aug 17, 2014 03:53AM)
I didn't mention charging for blatant effects, I mentioned charging for blatant IS effects. You cannot compare the method in The Crusade to IS. The Crusade is a carefully scripted performance piece which uses an existing method to create a moment of wonder for the participants and spectators. Br*** B******g is a straightforward, blatant IS effect which produces no moment of wonder for the participant at all. Same as The *th M*******e. Neither even attempts to create a minor effect for the participant to balance the major effect for the audience. When the method for such "creations" is IS, not only do you have a nerve to charge for the "effect", in my opinion you haven't actually created an effect at all.

Or are you seriously suggesting that if you had paid $200 for Train Tracking and discovered that the participant had to be an IS, you would have been happy? After all, the "effect" is just as strong to any spectators, no?
Message: Posted by: Rolyan (Aug 17, 2014 04:57AM)
Im not comparing The Crusade to IS. The point I'm making is that charging for an IS, in and of itself, does not automatically make it a rip off. You think it does. I think it doesn't. We know each others opinions and both are valid.

Please it's that I'm not defending B@@@@ B@@@@@@@. It's the principle, not the specific, that I'm referring to.
Message: Posted by: JanForster (Aug 17, 2014 07:04AM)
It is not that I am defending BB, but there is more than IS... While I agree that BB the way it is presented is rather weak I would try to see its construction on an abstract level. Then I feel differently. If you see what Colin McLeod has done with an ID in combination with a very well executed D... Ploy you might see some IS applications with different eyes. What I really dislike about BB is the missing discussion about a proper use of time tested methods. Jan
Message: Posted by: Rolyan (Aug 17, 2014 07:40AM)
[quote]On Aug 17, 2014, Rolyan wrote:
Im not comparing The Crusade to IS. The point I'm making is that charging for an IS, in and of itself, does not automatically make it a rip off. You think it does. I think it doesn't. We know each others opinions and both are valid.

Please it's that I'm not defending B@@@@ B@@@@@@@. It's the principle, not the specific, that I'm referring to. [/quote]
Last sentence should have read...

Please Note: it's not that I'm defending....etc.
Message: Posted by: C.J. (Aug 18, 2014 01:10AM)
This thread has certainly wandered a bit. Anyone mind if I contribute a hyperactive bunny?
:bunny:
Message: Posted by: Taterini (Sep 1, 2014 07:28PM)
.....let the price gouging begin !!
http://www.themagiccafe.com/forums/viewtopic.php?topic=563938&forum=78
Message: Posted by: Mark_Chandaue (Sep 1, 2014 07:44PM)
I wouldn't sell my copy at any price.

Mark
Message: Posted by: ZachDavenport (Sep 1, 2014 07:47PM)
I'm not offering, but if someone was to offer you $1,000,000 you would not sell?
Message: Posted by: mastermindreader (Sep 1, 2014 09:49PM)
[quote]On Sep 1, 2014, Taterini wrote:
.....let the price gouging begin !!
http://www.themagiccafe.com/forums/viewtopic.php?topic=563938&forum=78 [/quote]

So much for vetting people before they bought this...
Message: Posted by: GaMBiT_101 (Sep 1, 2014 10:24PM)
It is really sad and upsetting how peoples hard work is not respected by some. Atlas put his heart and soul into this book :(
Message: Posted by: Mind Guerrilla (Sep 1, 2014 10:37PM)
[quote]On Sep 1, 2014, mastermindreader wrote:
[quote]On Sep 1, 2014, Taterini wrote:
.....let the price gouging begin !!
http://www.themagiccafe.com/forums/viewtopic.php?topic=563938&forum=78 [/quote]

So much for vetting people before they bought this... [/quote]

I wonder how many didn't make the cut.

At any rate, it may be best not to jump to conclusions about the seller's motives. For all we know, she is trying to raise money for some surgical procedure for her granny.
Message: Posted by: Tom Cutts (Sep 2, 2014 12:23AM)
[quote]On Sep 1, 2014, ZachDavenport wrote:
I'm not offering, but if someone was to offer you $1,000,000 you would not sell? [/quote]
Well there you have it! ; )

http://www.themagiccafe.com/forums/viewtopic.php?topic=563981&forum=78
Message: Posted by: C.J. (Sep 2, 2014 12:48AM)
Atlas should offer to buy this back AT COST (or possibly depreciated somewhat). Then he can sell it AT COST to someone else. That way everyone wins (except for the greedy person who only bought this for the purpose of lazy profiteering - who incidentally wouldn't be LOSING anything under this system either).
Message: Posted by: Mark_Chandaue (Sep 2, 2014 02:32AM)
[quote]On Sep 2, 2014, ZachDavenport wrote:
I'm not offering, but if someone was to offer you $1,000,000 you would not sell? [/quote]
At that price I'd think about it but realistically that's not going to happen. I certainly would not sell it for any price that someone would realistically offer.

Mark
Message: Posted by: Martin Pulman (Sep 2, 2014 03:13AM)
[quote]On Sep 2, 2014, Mark_Chandaue wrote:
[quote]On Sep 2, 2014, ZachDavenport wrote:
I'm not offering, but if someone was to offer you $1,000,000 you would not sell? [/quote]
At that price I'd think about it but realistically that's not going to happen. I certainly would not sell it for any price that someone would realistically offer.

Mark [/quote]

"We have established what you are. Now we are simply haggling over the price"~ Winston Churchill (attrib) :)
Message: Posted by: SolidSnake (Sep 2, 2014 05:20AM)
Let's be honest though any creator that sells a 'limited edition' is contributing to the problem of inflated second hand sales. Love the comment 'Atlas should offer to buy it back at cost'

There are 2 problems with this : 1) Atlas would turn into a library with everyone renting his book from him!
2) Noone would sell it back at cost as they can make more money on the open market!

To be honest, you can't blame someone for selling it on at inflated prices. As a community we have perpetuated this situation. If you don't want to see magic items being sold in this way there are only a few options:

1) No-one releases limited editions at inflated prices. A fair price is charged for all!

2) If limited editions do exist, when they are then sold on the open market - you simply refuse to pay an over inflated price! If everyone did that, sellers would be forced to lower their price!
Message: Posted by: C.J. (Sep 2, 2014 05:27AM)
I notice that the $500 sale thread has been "deleted". Rightly so.
Message: Posted by: shakuni (Sep 2, 2014 05:34AM)
Since this book requires hard work to master and it may take a month or more of work before you can 'start' to do it, many buyers may not like it. This is because some people are looking for effects that they can do instantly.

Its their choice but if someone do intend to sell the book, just contact Atlas. He will let you know about people who cleared his vetting process, but did not get the book as it was sold out. Then just contact these people and make an offer to them. This is how I got the book.

This is the best way to save the book from going into wrong hands (=Chinese websites). Please respect the work put into it by Atlas. Please respect your profession (Mentalism / Magic).

Thanks!
Message: Posted by: carlwag (Sep 2, 2014 07:20AM)
I contacted atlas regards the $500 book too, people who have bought the book to try making money is totally out of order and they probably didn't even read it, this spoils it for those who have missed out.
I'm on atlas's waiting list so hopefully I will get lucky.

Carl
Message: Posted by: Magic.Maddy (Sep 2, 2014 07:53AM)
It frustrates me that someone would do that. Very rarely is there a release that is SO good that it looks and feels like the holy grail.
Message: Posted by: moualb (Sep 2, 2014 08:07AM)
Then how about Atlas printing a few more (limited) number of copies to satisfy the persons that were not able to join in the first time (with an extra cost if necessary) ?
That would help smoothing the second market inflation. But I agree with Clel-Mentalist and I think that it is a little bit naive to stick with a limited edition concept and then being shocked or surprised that there could be some inflation later.
Message: Posted by: RNK (Sep 2, 2014 09:14AM)
[quote]On Sep 2, 2014, moualb wrote:
Then how about Atlas printing a few more (limited) number of copies to satisfy the persons that were not able to join in the first time (with an extra cost if necessary) ?
That would help smoothing the second market inflation. But I agree with Clel-Mentalist and I think that it is a little bit naive to stick with a limited edition concept and then being shocked or surprised that there could be some inflation later. [/quote]


Then it really wouldn't be "limited"........
Message: Posted by: Dr Spektor (Sep 2, 2014 01:25PM)
I saw another thread were it was being sold for 200 GBP and it vanished too....

Heck, once you let the Imp out of the bottle....

I hope Atlas put subtle marking on all copies as I have a bad feeling the book will be in PDF pirate form soon enough.
Message: Posted by: shakuni (Sep 2, 2014 01:30PM)
Who said that he didn't put subtle markings on the books ;) . Look carefully...
Message: Posted by: Mark_Chandaue (Sep 2, 2014 02:11PM)
[quote]On Sep 2, 2014, Clel-Mentalist wrote:
1) No-one releases limited editions at inflated prices. A fair price is charged for all![/quote]
If creators truly charged a fair price for their works only working professionals and the independently wealthy would be able to afford them. Let's take train tracking as an example, this represents 6 years to develop and refine the effect before you even factor in the time to write the book. Writing a book isn't a simple thing like writing a forum post it is a slow laborious process that usually takes months and in some cases years from start to finish. Then someone often has to be paid to handle the layout as that is a different skillset, likewise again for the artwork. Then of course there are printing costs, anyone that has this particular book will attest that this has not been cheaply thrown together, the printing and binding is of the highest quality. Not to mention that this is part of Atlas working repotoire.

So what is a fair price? And fair to whom for that matter?

Mark
Message: Posted by: Demitri (Sep 2, 2014 03:52PM)
Unless that sale thread was deleted by the SELLER - there's absolutely no reason for that to be removed. He bought the book - and for whatever reason, he is selling it on. Not being an owner (nor wanting to be), unless Atlas specifically had purchasers sign a "no sale" clause (which, I don't think he could even do), the buyer is well within his rights to sell the book. He paid for it, he can do what he wants with it. He is not morally wrong for selling it.

I didn't hear this cry of "foul" when Devil in Disguise was being sold for $500. No one complains when a copy of the original Pure Effect sells for ridiculous amounts. Andy Nyman's Bulletproof has been offered for inflated prices. What makes THIS book so special?
Message: Posted by: Dr Spektor (Sep 2, 2014 04:06PM)
Share with friends you trust

Sell if you want to make some money

If you do the former, you will gain much and learn from friends - and also who are not friends...

If you do the latter - the question is why sell it at all - and why not sell it to only working professionals? That is fine too. Why sell it to anyone? There is nothing wrong with selling it at whatever price point you want - I've seen the so called limited editions come out with high price points at times - caveat emptor. Maybe its worth it to some and not others - its a secret you buy and it might be something you don't like and want to resell. They can sell it at whatever price they want - with whatever consequences....

Anyway, here are interesting links

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First-sale_doctrine


http://www.copyblogger.com/sell-or-give/


http://www.digitopoly.org/2013/03/22/reselling-ebooks-doesnt-pass-the-sniff-test/
(yeah its e- but what the hey)


http://www.emptymirrorbooks.com/collecting/first-edition-values.html


http://www.theguardian.com/books/booksblog/2011/sep/21/proofs-advance-reading-copy-trade


http://collectiblesxpress.com/buying-and-selling-collectibles-for-profit/


Ciao
Message: Posted by: ZachDavenport (Sep 2, 2014 04:08PM)
To own the book you had to go through a vetting process. If it is sold second hand that process is nullified.
Message: Posted by: Atlas (Sep 2, 2014 04:13PM)
[quote]On Sep 2, 2014, Demitri wrote:
Unless that sale thread was deleted by the SELLER - there's absolutely no reason for that to be removed. He bought the book - and for whatever reason, he is selling it on. Not being an owner (nor wanting to be), unless Atlas specifically had purchasers sign a "no sale" clause (which, I don't think he could even do), the buyer is well within his rights to sell the book. He paid for it, he can do what he wants with it. He is not morally wrong for selling it.

I didn't hear this cry of "foul" when Devil in Disguise was being sold for $500. No one complains when a copy of the original Pure Effect sells for ridiculous amounts. Andy Nyman's Bulletproof has been offered for inflated prices. What makes THIS book so special? [/quote]

I want to be clear that I've no idea why the post was deleted. I did not ask for it to be, and I had nothing to do with it. In fact, I contacted the seller and offered to put them in touch with a few people who had asked me to keep an eye out for a spare book for them.

Best,

Atlas
Message: Posted by: Demitri (Sep 2, 2014 04:42PM)
I would also like to be clear that I didn't think you were the one who had it deleted, Atlas. I respect you, and your products (I am a happy owner of a few of them, myself) - but I think this fervor over reselling is outlandish.
Message: Posted by: carlwag (Sep 2, 2014 05:10PM)
Atlas obviously did his best to do the right thing but the price that he was asking to me tells me he bought the book just to make money now that's not atlas's fault, I've seen it happen with Turners books too
Message: Posted by: RedDevil (Sep 2, 2014 08:42PM)
There are definitely markings in the book. Whether they are unique for different versions of the book, who knows. But personally, I'm glad there are. I would be royally bummed to see this end up pirated somewhere.
Message: Posted by: C.J. (Sep 3, 2014 01:17AM)
[quote]On Sep 2, 2014, RedDevil wrote:
There are definitely markings in the book. Whether they are unique for different versions of the book, who knows. [/quote]

Read back in this thread and you'll see that they are. Atlas and Friends apparently worked hard on it.
Message: Posted by: Looch (Sep 3, 2014 04:53AM)
[quote]On Sep 3, 2014, C.J. wrote:
[quote]On Sep 2, 2014, RedDevil wrote:
There are definitely markings in the book. Whether they are unique for different versions of the book, who knows. [/quote]

Read back in this thread and you'll see that they are. Atlas and Friends apparently worked hard on it. [/quote]

Yep :-)
Message: Posted by: Stunninger (Sep 4, 2014 01:08PM)
Really happy to hear this :)
Message: Posted by: Atlas (Sep 12, 2014 09:31AM)
Hi guys - If you own a copy of Train Tracking, please check your inbox or spam folder. I've sent out an email that asks an important question, and I would VERY much appreciate a reply.

Please do check and take a moment to compose your thoughts and respond to the email or via PM here.

Best,

Atlas
Message: Posted by: kinesis (Sep 12, 2014 09:56AM)
I replied to your 'proposal' email on the same day I got it. Hope this idea is successful.
Message: Posted by: Atlas (Sep 12, 2014 10:09AM)
Thanks Derek, I hope it is too.

I've got some replies, but only about 50 people have responded so far - so I thought I'd come on here and say that if you haven't gotten an email from me in the last day or two, please check your spam folders and reply as soon as you can.

Best,

Atlas
Message: Posted by: Martin Pulman (Sep 12, 2014 10:28AM)
I replied on the forum, but just in case I'll reiterate my wholehearted yes.
Message: Posted by: Adam Hince (Sep 12, 2014 10:35AM)
The last email I saw from you was regarding Baird. Was there something this week?

AH
Message: Posted by: Funnybaldbloke (Sep 12, 2014 10:38AM)
I've just emailed you Atlas, it's a yes from me also.
Message: Posted by: rasp (Sep 12, 2014 10:51AM)
I sent you a text mate............ of course its a yes!!
Message: Posted by: dan the man (Sep 12, 2014 11:07AM)
As I've replied on the forum, it's more than ok for me!
Message: Posted by: Investigative Mentalist (Sep 12, 2014 11:23AM)
Atlas is a class act.

I can't say enough about his compassion and integrity.

If you are a TT owner, please read the email Atlas sent and you will see what I am talking about.

This has has my strongest endorsement.
Message: Posted by: ZachDavenport (Sep 12, 2014 11:26AM)
Now I'm curious. :worry:
Message: Posted by: Atlas (Sep 12, 2014 12:21PM)
I don't deserve any particular praise. If this gets done, it is something that everyone did together, and only serves to reinforce my belief that there are a lot more good people out there than you'd think.

Best,

Atlas
Message: Posted by: Rolyan (Sep 12, 2014 12:27PM)
[quote]On Sep 12, 2014, kinesis wrote:
I replied to your 'proposal' email on the same day I got it. Hope this idea is successful. [/quote]
So do I. To be honest the gimmick supplied already makes the proposed idea not only possible but completely 'unbacktrackable', but for small presentations (parlour, close up, walkaround etc.) this new 'thing' is truly outstanding and worth the price of the book alone. Atlas is a prize guy for offering the addition for free to existing owners.

Obviously it's a yes from me.
Message: Posted by: jaizon (Sep 12, 2014 02:13PM)
I have not gotten this e-mail. :( jaizon@hotmail.com
Message: Posted by: RedDevil (Sep 12, 2014 02:26PM)
A big YES. This may be the best idea I have seen Atlas come up with (and he has a bunch of them).
Message: Posted by: C.J. (Sep 12, 2014 03:00PM)
Didn't get this email, and it's not in my spam folder. Incidentally, I never got a forum invite either, but I didn't want to make a fuss..
Message: Posted by: wilko7 (Sep 12, 2014 03:46PM)
Not had this email. I've checked my junk mail etc. Last email I had was regarding the Kennedy book.
Message: Posted by: Martin Pulman (Sep 12, 2014 03:47PM)
There's some amazing stuff in the forum C.J. Get yourself down there!
Message: Posted by: MrThomas (Sep 12, 2014 05:53PM)
[quote]On Sep 12, 2014, Rolyan wrote:
To be honest the gimmick supplied already makes the proposed idea not only possible but completely 'unbacktrackable', but for small presentations (parlour, close up, walkaround etc.) this new 'thing' is truly outstanding and worth the price of the book alone. Atlas is a prize guy for offering the addition for free to existing owners.[/quote]

As much as I like 'it' and the possible applications, I encourage every owner of TT to keep everything about this 'thing' either downstairs or better in the forum.

Think about it.

Best regards
Thomas
Message: Posted by: Taveren001 (Sep 12, 2014 10:12PM)
Guess I better get busy posting messages online here, or else I will miss out on the downstairs info.
Other than that little comment, I also didn't receive a messages proposal from Atlas as of yet. I did PM him though. I will keep an eye open.
Thanks!
Message: Posted by: jaizon (Sep 13, 2014 03:29AM)
Gotta get to the forum more often. Yes, of course, yes.
Message: Posted by: Shuaige (Sep 13, 2014 03:45AM)
YES!!! Please go ahead.
Message: Posted by: bond19 (Sep 13, 2014 04:09AM)
Big thumbs up Atlas.. Great gesture too!!
Message: Posted by: Gaunt (Sep 13, 2014 07:48PM)
Atlas, it's certainly a YES from me.
Message: Posted by: Atlas (Sep 14, 2014 06:15AM)
Thanks for so many responses. We are getting closer. If you haven't already done so, please respond via email or PM as I need to match names to my checklist.

Best,

Atlas
Message: Posted by: Stunninger (Sep 14, 2014 07:36AM)
YES!

What a wonderfully generous gesture on your part, Atlas.

Than you for doing this and helping others in their time of need.
Message: Posted by: rjbullock (Sep 23, 2014 05:05PM)
I have a question about TrTr... Assuming you have mastered the method, what is the *minimum* amount of time it takes to arrive at the final word? Is it ten seconds? Thirty seconds? A minute or more?
Message: Posted by: Magic.Maddy (Sep 23, 2014 05:25PM)
[quote]On Sep 23, 2014, rjbullock wrote:
I have a question about TrTr... Assuming you have mastered the method, what is the *minimum* amount of time it takes to arrive at the final word? Is it ten seconds? Thirty seconds? A minute or more? [/quote]

Really depends on your presentational style. It could be 30 seconds or it could be 5 minutes. Really depends on how much you want to embellish. When I perform it, I think I start revealing their thoughts after about 45 seconds to a minute.

But I guess to technically answer your question, you could probably know it in 30 seconds.


Also depends on how nimble your spectator is. If they can't focus, you may pick up other thoughts and that can make the scanner less reliable. But for the most part, after the seven count, you're good.
Message: Posted by: rjbullock (Sep 23, 2014 06:10PM)
Sounds like a really innovative and cool addition to the mentalists toolbox... Hope to learn it some day!
Message: Posted by: ZachDavenport (Sep 23, 2014 09:01PM)
[quote]On Sep 23, 2014, rjbullock wrote:
Sounds like a really innovative and cool addition to the mentalists toolbox... Hope to learn it some day! [/quote]
Me two, but I doubt we ever will.
Message: Posted by: rjbullock (Sep 23, 2014 09:52PM)
Oh, I wouldn't say that Zachary... In any case, there's so much mentalism under the sun, so many routines and methods. I don't really *need* another one but always like to add to my repertoire. I for one don't believe in "holy grail" methods... Unless you consider being a great actor and entertainer a "method" (method acting, ha!)... Isn't that what this business is all about?

Sorry to get off topic, just pointing out that those of us who missed the train on train tracking needn't feel TOO bad. If it's destined to be a classic of mentalism we'll all know it soon enough. It's just impossible to keep a truly innovative secret from getting out there eventually, for better or worse.
Message: Posted by: Mind Guerrilla (Oct 2, 2014 08:05PM)
I'm ready to be Train Tracked! :)

I'm intrigued by this effect but know very little about it. Any of you who have purchased the book and want to demonstrate it, PM me so we can set up a Skype session or something. Thanks!
Message: Posted by: Atlas (Oct 3, 2014 12:41PM)
Well, I've got a small announcement I wanted to make.

We aren't quite there yet, but we are close enough that I am confident that this will probably happen, so I thought I'd share the developments with the rest of you.

About a month ago, I sent out the following email to the original purchasers of the book. I am touched and gratified at their responses. We have some wonderful people in this field, and I'm just waiting on a handful to respond still, but thus far, there has been overwhelming support for the proposal and while I haven't had the time to thank each of you personally, I wanted to state here that all the credit belongs to each of you.

Here was the email:

I hope you are enjoying Train Tracking - and I had a question that I wanted to put to you.

You might know fellow performer and mentalist David Thiel. Recently, his daughter was tragically murdered by her spouse. The spouse is now in jail, and their five children left to deal with losing their father and mother in the same day.

Their children are now left alone.

What does this have to do with Train Tracking?

Well, Train Tracking is a limited edition book - with 200 copies being sold. However, I printed 250 copies as I wanted to make sure that if any copies were lost or damaged in the mail, that I could accommodate and replace those copies. I have had to do that a few times. In addition to that, I had a few extra copies to give to friends.

Of those 250 copies, I have just over 30 copies left.

Lots of people have approached me and asked if they could purchase the book. I've said no. My agreement was to sell 200 and no more.

30 copies just sitting in a box.

I've written this post asking whether it would be alright with you to send this box to David, and to let him sell the books and give the proceeds to his grandchildren.

I want to be clear - I am asking everyone, and if there is even a SINGLE no, I will not do it. And I respect your absolute right to say no, with absolutely no hard feelings.
I will also still screen every purchaser, only after they've been vetted would they be referred to David.

But I thought I'd ask anyway. It would mean roughly $8000 to these children, and I'd be happy to donate the books if it is acceptable to every one of you.

Please let me know.

In the meanwhile, if you'd like to donate personally, you can do so by clicking the link below.

http://www.youcaring.com/memorial-fundraiser/for-rienna-s-five-angels-left-behind/173980

Best,

Atlas
Message: Posted by: magicmerlz (Oct 3, 2014 12:46PM)
[quote]On Oct 3, 2014, MagicAtlas wrote:
Well, I've got a small announcement I wanted to make.

We aren't quite there yet, but we are close enough that I am confident that this will probably happen, so I thought I'd share the developments with the rest of you.

About a month ago, I sent out the following email to the original purchasers of the book. I am touched and gratified at their responses. We have some wonderful people in this field, and I'm just waiting on a handful to respond still, but thus far, there has been overwhelming support for the proposal and while I haven't had the time to thank each of you personally, I wanted to state here that all the credit belongs to each of you.

Here was the email:

I hope you are enjoying Train Tracking - and I had a question that I wanted to put to you.

You might know fellow performer and mentalist David Thiel. Recently, his daughter was tragically murdered by her spouse. The spouse is now in jail, and their five children left to deal with losing their father and mother in the same day.

Their children are now left alone.

What does this have to do with Train Tracking?

Well, Train Tracking is a limited edition book - with 200 copies being sold. However, I printed 250 copies as I wanted to make sure that if any copies were lost or damaged in the mail, that I could accommodate and replace those copies. I have had to do that a few times. In addition to that, I had a few extra copies to give to friends.

Of those 250 copies, I have just over 30 copies left.

Lots of people have approached me and asked if they could purchase the book. I've said no. My agreement was to sell 200 and no more.

30 copies just sitting in a box.

I've written this post asking whether it would be alright with you to send this box to David, and to let him sell the books and give the proceeds to his grandchildren.

I want to be clear - I am asking everyone, and if there is even a SINGLE no, I will not do it. And I respect your absolute right to say no, with absolutely no hard feelings.
I will also still screen every purchaser, only after they've been vetted would they be referred to David.

But I thought I'd ask anyway. It would mean roughly $8000 to these children, and I'd be happy to donate the books if it is acceptable to every one of you.

Please let me know.

In the meanwhile, if you'd like to donate personally, you can do so by clicking the link below.

http://www.youcaring.com/memorial-fundraiser/for-rienna-s-five-angels-left-behind/173980

Best,

Atlas [/quote]

Hats off to you Atlas...a wonderful gesture, that as you already know has my full backing as an owner of TT already.
Message: Posted by: RedDevil (Oct 3, 2014 01:52PM)
Proud to be a part of a community that thinks like this...Prayers and blessings for David's family.
Message: Posted by: Daniel Meadows (Oct 4, 2014 11:42AM)
I've already replied with my full support for Atlas with this. If you haven't replied yet please do, and make this happen!
Message: Posted by: Mind Guerrilla (Oct 5, 2014 06:53PM)
[quote]On Oct 2, 2014, Mind Guerrilla wrote:
I'm ready to be Train Tracked! :)

I'm intrigued by this effect but know very little about it. Any of you who have purchased the book and want to demonstrate it, PM me so we can set up a Skype session or something. Thanks! [/quote]

Anybody?
Message: Posted by: CL (Oct 14, 2014 03:55PM)
What a wonderful idea. I'd certainly be interested in one of the 30 to support the family.
Message: Posted by: insight (Oct 14, 2014 07:50PM)
Prayers and blessings to David's family! Great thinking, Atlas and friends!

Regards,
Mike
Message: Posted by: Martin Pulman (Nov 8, 2014 04:16PM)
Well, yesterday I finally got the chance to meet the wonderful Atlas Brookings, but more importantly, I had the honour of being Train Tracked by him!

There really is something special about participating in an effect with the original creator (Peter Turner's name reveal remains the single most powerful moment I've experienced as a close up participant). Despite the fact that we were in an incredibly noisy London pub on a busy Friday evening, and despite the fact that I already knew the method, Atlas amazed me with the power and fluency of his presentation. What was more amazing was that I actually screwed up in my own head, thought I had ruined the whole thing, only to see Atlas make a Canasta-like recovery.

Much to my shame, I haven't had the time to master the effect, but any fear I had that it would feel procedure heavy disappeared when I experienced it. Atlas really did seem to be crawling around in my thoughts in the most remarkable fashion. The final reveal of your chosen word is simply the cherry on a many-tiered cake!

Thank you Atlas!
Message: Posted by: Alwow (Nov 8, 2014 07:32PM)
[quote]On Nov 8, 2014, Martin Pulman wrote:
Well, yesterday I finally got the chance to meet the wonderful Atlas Brookings, but more importantly, I had the honour of being Train Tracked by him!

There really is something special about participating in an effect with the original creator (Peter Turner's name reveal remains the single most powerful moment I've experienced as a close up participant). Despite the fact that we were in an incredibly noisy London pub on a busy Friday evening, and despite the fact that I already knew the method, Atlas amazed me with the power and fluency of his presentation. What was more amazing was that I actually screwed up in my own head, thought I had ruined the whole thing, only to see Atlas make a Canasta-like recovery.

Much to my shame, I haven't had the time to master the effect, but any fear I had that it would feel procedure heavy disappeared when I experienced it. Atlas really did seem to be crawling around in my thoughts in the most remarkable fashion. The final reveal of your chosen word is simply the cherry on a many-tiered cake!

Thank you Atlas! [/quote]

Be careful Martin, next thing you know you'll have us believing propless clunky, twenty questions effects are the way to go...

P.S. this is meant as sarcasm and not as a shot at anyone, their effects, or opinions :)
Message: Posted by: Mind Guerrilla (Nov 8, 2014 10:28PM)
[quote]On Oct 5, 2014, Mind Guerrilla wrote:
[quote]On Oct 2, 2014, Mind Guerrilla wrote:
I'm ready to be Train Tracked! :)

I'm intrigued by this effect but know very little about it. Any of you who have purchased the book and want to demonstrate it, PM me so we can set up a Skype session or something. Thanks! [/quote]

Anybody? [/quote]
Anybody at all?
Message: Posted by: IAIN (Nov 8, 2014 10:50PM)
No.
Message: Posted by: mastermindreader (Nov 8, 2014 11:08PM)
I've had Train Tracking since it was released, but until a few days ago I didn't feel ready to present it publicly.

Frankly, on first impression I agreed largely with Martin's initial view that it seemed "procedure heavy" and required too many mental gymnastics from both the participant and the performer.

But seeing how much hard work Atlas put into developing this, and based on the positive things I was hearing from those who actually PERFORMED it, I felt it was only fair that I should actually learn it and try it in front of a live audience before weighing in with my opinion. (And the book itself was intriguing enough to keep me interested anyway.)

As I read, I immediately saw how the basic concept could effectively enhance almost any revelation in mentalism, but I remained skeptical about how well it would play on its own, allowing a participant to merely think of virtually any word, name, location, etc.

Normally I'm not a big fan of "no hands" "no props" mentalism, but, as I discovered during performance, Train Tracking is a truly powerful and convincing bit of mind reading. What seemed at first like too much "procedure" actually plays like genuine thought reading.

It works fluidly and hits hard with multiple climaxes and revelations along the way.

And I like it a lot.

It's not easy to do well and I had to work hard with it to make it all second nature and seemingly extemporaneous. So I wouldn't recommend it for those who are not used to thinking on their feet or who are looking for an easy to do self-working "miracle" (even though there really is no such thing). But this is something that experienced performers should find very valuable indeed.

I really look forward to seeing future work from Atlas Brookings. "Train Tracking" will be a hard act for him to follow, but I think we'll nonetheless be seeing great things from him in the years to come.

So, thank you, Atlas for the invaluable tool that you have added to my working repertoire, and for proving that at least this old dog can still learn something new.

Good thoughts,

Bob

Well done.
Message: Posted by: Gourmet (Nov 9, 2014 03:49AM)
Knightly accolade for Train Tracking!

Makes me feel even more disappointed not having learned it (and probably never will).
But you know , for every door that is shut a different one opens :)
Message: Posted by: robd (Nov 9, 2014 07:34AM)
I'd be more than happy to show support and buy one, should this go ahead. Thoughts are with his family.
Message: Posted by: genius (Nov 9, 2014 10:04AM)
This echoes my sentiment accurately, as well. I'll be honest, this is not something that is surefire (at least based on my experience), and also this is not something that works consistently well just naturally, because yes the spectator can very likely assume that you are just playing a game of 20 questions. But, if presented well, then the procedure heavy approach actually just turns something that could have been perceived as mental gymnastics into something that appears impossible without all of the fis*i*g.

Mindblowingly,
Charles

[quote]On Nov 9, 2014, mastermindreader wrote:
I've had Train Tracking since it was released, but until a few days ago I didn't feel ready to present it publicly.

Frankly, on first impression I agreed largely with Martin's initial view that it seemed "procedure heavy" and required too many mental gymnastics from both the participant and the performer.

But seeing how much hard work Atlas put into developing this, and based on the positive things I was hearing from those who actually PERFORMED it, I felt it was only fair that I should actually learn it and try it in front of a live audience before weighing in with my opinion. (And the book itself was intriguing enough to keep me interested anyway.)

As I read, I immediately saw how the basic concept could effectively enhance almost any revelation in mentalism, but I remained skeptical about how well it would play on its own, allowing a participant to merely think of virtually any word, name, location, etc.

Normally I'm not a big fan of "no hands" "no props" mentalism, but, as I discovered during performance, Train Tracking is a truly powerful and convincing bit of mind reading. What seemed at first like too much "procedure" actually plays like genuine thought reading.

It works fluidly and hits hard with multiple climaxes and revelations along the way.

And I like it a lot.

It's not easy to do well and I had to work hard with it to make it all second nature and seemingly extemporaneous. So I wouldn't recommend it for those who are not used to thinking on their feet or who are looking for an easy to do self-working "miracle" (even though there really is no such thing). But this is something that experienced performers should find very valuable indeed.

I really look forward to seeing future work from Atlas Brookings. "Train Tracking" will be a hard act for him to follow, but I think we'll nonetheless be seeing great things from him in the years to come.

So, thank you, Atlas for the invaluable tool that you have added to my working repertoire, and for proving that at least this old dog can still learn something new.

Good thoughts,

Bob

Well done. [/quote]
Message: Posted by: RedDevil (Nov 9, 2014 11:57AM)
I have owned TT since the beginning, and I went my own direction on it. I now use TT exclusively for name reveals, and personally I would be very happy if most people dismissed this so that I can be one of the few in the world that can actually do this effectively. This is something that in the hands of a skilled presenter is just too good to be true. And like most mentalism, it is something that when performed badly can just be embarrassing.

Most people who have purchased the book have an unwritten agreement to not perform it on skype or for other mentalists. The reasons are varied, but speaking for me, it is more fun to perform it for a layman, and I don't want to educate anyone who is analyzing it for the method.

This is based on an idea I have been playing with for a while, and I implemented it in a few effects in my own book (Good Samaritan and DeckwACAAN are two examples): essentially, propless mentalism, imho, works best when the spectator doesn't know they are participating in an effect at all. This is just the world according to me, but propless mentalism works best under the "2 Surprise Model" in a casual setting where the spectator thought they were just having a conversation.

1st Surprise happens when they have discovered that an impossible revelation is coming in the first place. They thought they were just participating in an interesting or emotional thought exercise or conversation. They now realize that you are going to give them much more.

2nd Surprise happens with the revelation itself.

This is why I think "most' propless mentalism isn't the best for a stage or strolling setting. In those contexts, they are expecting a surprise from the get-go, and thus their analytical radars are turned on full blast. The casual mentalist setting also gives you more time to set the stage and implement your methods. They don't care that it takes so long...because...they don't realize yet you are doing anything. So they don't care. You're just talking...They think they are just talking and imagining a few things. This would be difficult to do in a stage or performance setting.

In this "casual mentalism" model, which is reserved for conversational opportunities that fill the "rest" of our waking days, you utilize the relaxed setting of conversation to ensure their left-brains are shut down. You can get away with so much more by doing this, and I think it passes the common experience of people test. Then, when the 2 surprises have happened, they are much more difficult to backtrack. This is usually a very joyful experience for a spectator imho.

So coming back full-circle, I use TT in this type of way. They have no idea when I ask them to think of a name that I am going to reveal it. So when I do, it is like an added jolt to the system. A huge surprise. And when I do fail to ascertain their name sometimes, they never know that I fail because I have already "been inside their head" so much, they are spinning. But not in an adversarial or instrusive way. Instead, it happens in a way that causes them to smile with astonishment. That's the experience I live for as a performer and creator of mentalism.
Message: Posted by: MrThomas (Nov 9, 2014 12:12PM)
Thanks RedDevil for that inspiring post! many valuable thoughts there.
Message: Posted by: Martin Pulman (Nov 9, 2014 12:59PM)
Great post RedDevil. I agree with everything you say. That is how I approach a lot of informal stuff. And the core technique used in TrTr has always struck me as perfect for name reveals, though I haven't found a method I'm entirely happy with yet.

I would say though, that I think TrTr may actually also be used very successfully during a stage performance. The way Atlas uses it on stage (which shall remain secret of course) is brilliant and could be pushed even further into something truly miraculous, I believe.
Message: Posted by: mastermindreader (Nov 9, 2014 02:01PM)
That's where I first performed it- on stage. And, yes, just the basic idea is great for name reveals, book tests, or anything involving the revelation of thought-of information.

I'd just be careful not to over do it. Once in a show is all I'd ever do.
Message: Posted by: XyGreg (Nov 9, 2014 03:48PM)
For those who are afraid by the "procedure heavy" aspect of TT, (and not only for them :p), I'm thinking about how TT could be combined with a c*****-t***. I'm an absolute lover of T-Rex and I'm sure that adding TT's procedure to a word that you p**k can be very effective, powerfull, and simplified (compared to the original TT principle).

However, don't get me wrong, I still believe un the "pure" version of TT but I'm just thinking of this handling as another way to approach the general idea. By the way have to finish my french translation of the tracks, still working on it actually :)
Message: Posted by: Mr. F (Nov 9, 2014 04:40PM)
[quote]On Nov 9, 2014, XyGreg wrote:
For those who are afraid by the "procedure heavy" aspect of TT, (and not only for them :p), I'm thinking about how TT could be combined with a c*****-t***. I'm an absolute lover of T-Rex and I'm sure that adding TT's procedure to a word that you p**k can be very effective, powerfull, and simplified (compared to the original TT principle).

However, don't get me wrong, I still believe un the "pure" version of TT but I'm just thinking of this handling as another way to approach the general idea. By the way have to finish my french translation of the tracks, still working on it actually :) [/quote]

Just my opinion, but I feel like using a CT cheapens the power of this strong effect/method. I personally like TT pure and straight forward. There's truly no way to miss if done correctly.
Message: Posted by: Martin Pulman (Nov 9, 2014 04:49PM)
I actually think combining TrTr with something like Marc Paul's AAA Book Test would be a good way to practice certain aspects of the technique and presentation, and a pretty nice way of extending a book test beyond the single word reveal.
Message: Posted by: IAIN (Nov 9, 2014 04:59PM)
Especially if you could mark up certain words within the book with a highlighter...you'd have to change the delivery though, as it would then become more of a set of predictions I suppose...
Message: Posted by: IAIN (Nov 9, 2014 05:03PM)
Actually, scrub that idea...would be too fiddly and not really true Tracking...
Message: Posted by: Mind Guerrilla (Nov 9, 2014 06:04PM)
[quote]On Nov 9, 2014, RedDevil wrote:
Most people who have purchased the book have an unwritten agreement to not perform it on Skype or for other mentalists. [/quote]
Phew! And here I thought people just didn't like me. :D (Well, that can still be true, I guess)

But weren't Skype performances what got some people interested in Train Tracking to begin with?
Message: Posted by: RedDevil (Nov 9, 2014 07:22PM)
Well, yes, but Atlas was the performer. For us newbies to try to perform it when we were still learning would've been pretty bad, and would have hurt Atlas's project, I think. Of course this is just my opinion. I just didn't feel comfortable myself. Speaking for my wife, I am sure she wishes I would find somebody else to practice with😄
Message: Posted by: ed wood (Nov 10, 2014 05:01PM)
I'm pretty sure train tracking practice is the reason my girfriend left me :))
Message: Posted by: XyGreg (Nov 14, 2014 02:56PM)
[quote]On Nov 9, 2014, IAIN wrote:
Actually, scrub that idea...would be too fiddly and not really true Tracking... [/quote]

maybe from the performer's point of view, but not necessarily from the spectator's view (the most important one ^^).
Message: Posted by: XyGreg (Nov 14, 2014 05:12PM)
I mean that no spectator will say at the end... "mhhh, ok but that's not a real track", lol. No matter how you use the TT principle, only the final effect for the spectator matters (in my opinion :) )
Message: Posted by: mastermindreader (Nov 14, 2014 07:01PM)
I agree, XyGreg.
Message: Posted by: RedDevil (Nov 16, 2014 12:17PM)
If you own TT and own a ParaNormal wallet from Paralabs, head over to the train tracking forum. I have posted something that I am very happy with and has worked extremely well in short-term testing!

Combining these two tools can lead to some pretty "unbacktrackable" mind-reading!

I have worked extremely hard in the past 3 months on TT, and my efforts have been well rewarded. Using TT for name reveals has been the direction I have gone, and it has actually made TT easier to perform with accuracy. Great job and thanks to Atlas for sharing this with us.
Message: Posted by: Circusman (Nov 17, 2014 01:53AM)
I recently bought a copy of TT.
Do you have a link for the forum ?


Bobby Thomson.
Message: Posted by: shakuni (Nov 17, 2014 02:55AM)
Please contact Atlas and he will add you to it after verification. Thanks!
Message: Posted by: Circusman (Nov 17, 2014 03:58AM)
Thanks shakuni, I've just pm'd him.


Regards,

Bobby.
Message: Posted by: Stefmagic (Dec 14, 2014 06:26PM)
Anyone tried it in french ?
Message: Posted by: Luccky (Dec 15, 2014 04:08AM)
Yes, I did. I've PM you.
Message: Posted by: eric6 (Jan 3, 2015 09:31AM)
Hello Luccky
A tu reçu mon PM ?
Bonne année ;)
Eric
Message: Posted by: Slim King (Jan 3, 2015 09:48AM)
[quote]On Nov 8, 2014, Mind Guerrilla wrote:
[quote]On Oct 5, 2014, Mind Guerrilla wrote:
[quote]On Oct 2, 2014, Mind Guerrilla wrote:
I'm ready to be Train Tracked! :)

I'm intrigued by this effect but know very little about it. Any of you who have purchased the book and want to demonstrate it, PM me so we can set up a Skype session or something. Thanks! [/quote]

Anybody? [/quote]
Anybody at all? [/quote]
I'd also love a demo .. I honestly am late to the party.
Message: Posted by: ferrismagic (Jan 8, 2015 11:03PM)
Wondering if anyone has a copy they wanna sell? PM me?
Message: Posted by: doriancaudal (Jan 17, 2015 03:07AM)
So, after a few months, what do you think of TT ? Do you perform it often ? How do the reactions look like ?
Message: Posted by: Magic.Maddy (Jan 17, 2015 09:17AM)
I still LOVE TT. It was so worth the time and effort to learn it.

I'm still technically doing the "novice" presentation instead of the "masters" presentation because my mind isn't as good as it should be, but it's every bit as strong as the "Masters."

I perform it every chance I get. I still haven't used it in a show yet but I have thought about it. I find it's better in one on one or small group situations though.

The reactions are incredible. People think it feels and is real. I still get told it's the best thing I do.
Message: Posted by: Ceierry (Mar 15, 2015 11:12AM)
Does this work in every language?
Thanks in advance
Message: Posted by: Withnail (Mar 15, 2015 12:06PM)
Why do you want to know? All copies are sold, aren't they?
Message: Posted by: PsiDroid (Mar 15, 2015 12:25PM)
[quote]On Mar 15, 2015, Ceierry wrote:
Does this work in every language?
Thanks in advance [/quote]

i have a copy of "train wrecking" : how to cover your steel tracks if you miss your wagon badly:

don't PM me if you want the last copy: ill keep it very rare and for myself only
Message: Posted by: Withnail (Mar 15, 2015 12:46PM)
AAarrr... As we used to say...
Message: Posted by: Mind Guerrilla (Mar 15, 2015 05:02PM)
[quote]On Mar 15, 2015, Withnail wrote:
Why do you want to know? All copies are sold, aren't they? [/quote]

David Thiel had some copies up for sale recently. I don't know if he sold them all.

And secondhand copies come up for sale now and then.
Message: Posted by: PsiDroid (Mar 15, 2015 05:08PM)
[quote]On Mar 15, 2015, Mind Guerrilla wrote:
[quote]On Mar 15, 2015, Withnail wrote:
Why do you want to know? All copies are sold, aren't they? [/quote]

David Thiel had some copies up for sale recently. I don't know if he sold them all.

And secondhand copies come up for sale now and then. [/quote]


yes: I'm not interested in this but a week ago there were around 3 copies on ebay and other less known trade sites
Message: Posted by: insight (Mar 15, 2015 05:39PM)
Use it in your show! It will kill.

Regards,
Mike

[quote]On Jan 17, 2015, Magic.Maddy wrote:
I still LOVE TT. It was so worth the time and effort to learn it.

I'm still technically doing the "novice" presentation instead of the "masters" presentation because my mind isn't as good as it should be, but it's every bit as strong as the "Masters."

I perform it every chance I get. I still haven't used it in a show yet but I have thought about it. I find it's better in one on one or small group situations though.

The reactions are incredible. People think it feels and is real. I still get told it's the best thing I do. [/quote]
Message: Posted by: Ceierry (Mar 15, 2015 06:05PM)
So... does it work in every language?

^^
Message: Posted by: PsiDroid (Mar 15, 2015 06:19PM)
[quote]On Mar 15, 2015, Ceierry wrote:
So... does it work in every language?

^^ [/quote]


NO!! you need to translate the whole process from the top to bottom.

plus unless you buy it secondhand - its sold out !!
Message: Posted by: Ceierry (Mar 16, 2015 02:32AM)
[quote]On Mar 15, 2015, PsiDroid wrote:
[quote]On Mar 15, 2015, Ceierry wrote:
So... does it work in every language?

^^ [/quote]


NO!! you need to translate the whole process from the top to bottom.

plus unless you buy it secondhand - its sold out !! [/quote]


Did I've done something wrong? lol
Message: Posted by: TimonK (Mar 16, 2015 04:37AM)
[quote]On Mar 16, 2015, Ceierry wrote:



Did I've done something wrong? lol [/quote]

You didn't. The answer was serious - this does not work in every language unless you put in a LOT of work. It is also sold out and you might have a hard time getting it.

To answer a previous question about how we're liking the book after a few months - personally, I love it! Still working on it and missing regulary as people 'round here don't have English as their primary language (I do play most of shows in English though, but it still makes things harder - owners will understand) but when it hits, it's amazing. Will continue to work this until it's second nature to me.
Message: Posted by: Ken Dyne (Mar 16, 2015 05:56AM)
Writing this with an embarassed, red face here.

When I first read about Train Tracking I was VERY skeptical. In fact I thought 'here we go again with something else that sounds cool but you'd never be able to do'.

Then I got the book. And its smart, very smart but I still didn't think it would be too practical.

This weekend I got to see Atlas perform this and many of his other releases and I was stunned and inspired. This is without a doubt one of the single smartest things I've ever seen. Im going to be re-reading it again this week!
Message: Posted by: Ceierry (Mar 16, 2015 06:08AM)
[quote]On Mar 16, 2015, TimonK wrote:
[quote]On Mar 16, 2015, Ceierry wrote:



Did I've done something wrong? lol [/quote]

You didn't. The answer was serious - this does not work in every language unless you put in a LOT of work. It is also sold out and you might have a hard time getting it.

To answer a previous question about how we're liking the book after a few months - personally, I love it! Still working on it and missing regulary as people 'round here don't have English as their primary language (I do play most of shows in English though, but it still makes things harder - owners will understand) but when it hits, it's amazing. Will continue to work this until it's second nature to me. [/quote]

The reaction of the another member was a little bit.. rude.. that's why I ask

'It's sold out!! What do you wanna know?!"

***, calm down :p

Thanks for your good reply TimonK, really apreciatted.
Was just curious about this book, that's all :)
Message: Posted by: widuk (Mar 16, 2015 11:02AM)
I hope this system appears in another future book by Atlas or by someone else.
Message: Posted by: CThomas (Mar 16, 2015 01:51PM)
I certainly hope not by someone else!
Message: Posted by: PsiDroid (Mar 16, 2015 01:58PM)
[quote]
The reaction of the another member was a little bit.. rude.. that's why I ask
) [/quote]

my reaction is my reaction, like it or not : and its THE reaction of someone whos tired of other people coming here without READING the thread and asking question that have been asked many times along said thread.
:dizzy:
Message: Posted by: Rolyan (Mar 16, 2015 02:35PM)
[quote]On Mar 16, 2015, widuk wrote:
I hope this system appears in another future book by Atlas or by someone else. [/quote]
I'm fully confident that Atlas will not release this in another book. I certainly hope not.

Obviously someone may rip him off but again, I hope not.
Message: Posted by: Seethings (Mar 16, 2015 02:48PM)
The book is sold out. There is no need to give information about it.
Message: Posted by: Slim King (Mar 16, 2015 06:56PM)
I don't see a lot of locomotion with this effect ;) ... No one is hammering the golden spike as east meets west , BUT if this thing is SOLD OUT it doesn't really help anyone continuing to ask about it. The Minister has his Flock and he will bring them along as he wishes. Sounds like one hell of an effect and I'd hate to have it besmirched by those who don't understand.
I'd just let it go ..... (Even though I'd still love to have someone perform it for me.. I'll bet some day someone will!!!)
Message: Posted by: insight (Mar 16, 2015 07:32PM)
Slim, this is the best book in the field, for it has advanced mentalism and taken it to a place never before seen. I applaud Atlas for his innovating our art.

Regards,
Mike

[quote]On Mar 16, 2015, Slim King wrote:
I don't see a lot of locomotion with this effect ;) ... No one is hammering the golden spike as east meets west , BUT if this thing is SOLD OUT it doesn't really help anyone continuing to ask about it. The Minister has his Flock and he will bring them along as he wishes. Sounds like one hell of an effect and I'd hate to have it besmirched by those who don't understand.
I'd just let it go ..... (Even though I'd still love to have someone perform it for me.. I'll bet some day someone will!!!) [/quote]
Message: Posted by: Matt Chalk (Mar 16, 2015 09:35PM)
[quote]On Mar 16, 2015, Slim King wrote:
I don't see a lot of locomotion with this effect ;) ... No one is hammering the golden spike as east meets west , BUT if this thing is SOLD OUT it doesn't really help anyone continuing to ask about it. The Minister has his Flock and he will bring them along as he wishes. Sounds like one hell of an effect and I'd hate to have it besmirched by those who don't understand.
I'd just let it go ..... (Even though I'd still love to have someone perform it for me.. I'll bet some day someone will!!!) [/quote]

Ironically maybe you should let it go? Doing a simple Google search of your name doesn't reveal much, a few people on the Café mentioning effects done on the phone, but nothing on Youtube or the likes. Contradicting yourself in my opinion.

And we can continue talking about a book if its sold out, people may discover it and want to buy second hand copies. As a matter of fact before I bought a second hand copy of TT a few weeks ago I read this entire thread through again before buying it.
Message: Posted by: DrRob (Aug 27, 2015 01:11PM)
Time to ask my friends for help could someone (Derek, Luca or Steve young) contact me with reference to this wonderful peice of mentalism now you have owned it for a while with any advice.
I am looking to purchase a copy from my good friend David Thiel in support of what happened, I have been in contact with David and know that I will need to contact Atlas to be approved to purchase a copy from him.

I look forward to hearing from someone soon.

Warmest regards
Rob
Message: Posted by: Slim King (Aug 27, 2015 02:56PM)
[quote]On Mar 16, 2015, Matt Chalk wrote:
[quote]On Mar 16, 2015, Slim King wrote:
I don't see a lot of locomotion with this effect ;) ... No one is hammering the golden spike as east meets west , BUT if this thing is SOLD OUT it doesn't really help anyone continuing to ask about it. The Minister has his Flock and he will bring them along as he wishes. Sounds like one hell of an effect and I'd hate to have it besmirched by those who don't understand.
I'd just let it go ..... (Even though I'd still love to have someone perform it for me.. I'll bet some day someone will!!!) [/quote]

Ironically maybe you should let it go? Doing a simple Google search of your name doesn't reveal much, a few people on the Café mentioning effects done on the phone, but nothing on Youtube or the likes. Contradicting yourself in my opinion.

And we can continue talking about a book if its sold out, people may discover it and want to buy second hand copies. As a matter of fact before I bought a second hand copy of TT a few weeks ago I read this entire thread through again before buying it. [/quote]
I stick by my statement.
Message: Posted by: DrRob (Aug 27, 2015 04:05PM)
I've sorted things with Atlas so all is well with the world

Dr Rob.
Message: Posted by: Matt Chalk (Aug 28, 2015 03:32AM)
Always great when someone can't come up with a counterargument :)

Don't become a lawyer anytime soon
Message: Posted by: 252life (Oct 31, 2015 12:04AM)
Just wanted to say that Atlas is not only a great thinker/creator etc.,
but a big time decent guy.
I came about appreciating his work sideways..wasn't sure what to think at first.
Then I picked up his Penguin lecture, and it was off to the races.
The more I saw/read, the more amazed and impressed I became.
I wanted TT bad, but honestly was not aware of most of these posts,
reviews, etc.
All I knew was that every single thing I had seen so far,
was progressively better/unique and complimentary to what came before.

Anyway, guess if I had a point to make, now would be the time.
I contacted Atlas about the possibility of getting a copy,
not realizing the demand for it.
I just wanted the information.
I would have taken hand written notes on scrap paper.
And, I wanted to touch base with him and express my appreciation etc. in general.
I have to say, he handled my crappy humor,
and less than thought out babbling, like a gentleman :)
He was able to point me in the right direction,
and now I am happily awaiting a copy.

I wasn't sure if this was something I should post.
I didn't want to return his favor,
by indirectly adding to his headaches.
(I.e. More pains like me harassing him)
But, I hope this is vague enough to minimize that possibility,
yet clear enough to speak to his character.
And if anyone still has an interest in a few months,
maybe I'll be able to toss my review/impressions in the ring here.
But to parot other reviewers,
In my experience, if Atlas releases it its gold.

All the best fellow mental cases :)
Message: Posted by: Atlas (Apr 1, 2016 12:47PM)
I have decided to reprint this.

Any interest?

Best,

Atlas
Message: Posted by: Atlas (Apr 1, 2016 01:17PM)
Everyone has worked out that it is April Fool's Day, haven't they?

:(

Best,

Atlas
Message: Posted by: truman (Apr 1, 2016 01:53PM)
You had me going until I realized it!
Message: Posted by: C.J. (Apr 2, 2016 12:02AM)
[quote]On Apr 2, 2016, Atlas wrote:
Everyone has worked out that it is April Fool's Day, haven't they?

:(
[/quote]

You should have tried going on the Podcast thread and telling everyone that Ken dele... I mean, tell them that the recording accidentally got deleted again, so it will be another month before episode 8...
Message: Posted by: Atlas (Apr 2, 2016 04:58AM)
Funnily enough, I sent Ken that very text yesterday!

Best,

Atlas
Message: Posted by: 252life (Apr 2, 2016 09:05AM)
Atlas, I have a feeling you are a man to be avoided (much like Ebola) on April 1st :)
Message: Posted by: Atlas (Sep 22, 2016 03:53AM)
Just a quick note to all those who contact me looking for a copy of Train Tracking, it looks like someone is selling theirs:

http://m.ebay.com/itm/291875606087

Best,

Atlas
Message: Posted by: bowers (Mar 31, 2017 10:17PM)
I have recently purchased a second hand copy of TT.
And Atlas led me to the seller.I can't wait to receive it.
Thank you Atlas for the help.
Todd
Message: Posted by: IMAGINACIAN (Apr 1, 2017 08:06AM)
Finally, after a lot of dilly-dally, I've decided to make just 3 photocopies of my TT and offer it for sale for just $499 each. Any takers?
Message: Posted by: RexDeash (Apr 1, 2017 08:42AM)
[quote]On Apr 1, 2017, IMAGINACIAN wrote:
Finally, after a lot of dilly-dally, I've decided to make just 3 photocopies of my TT and offer it for sale for just $499 each. Any takers? [/quote]
Me.....

Thanks to Atlas' post last year, people realise that it's 1st April today.😀

Rex
Message: Posted by: IMAGINACIAN (Apr 2, 2017 11:23AM)
Hey RexDeash,

Thanks for your 'interest' and calling the bluff. Just a little bit of fun, I thought :-)
Message: Posted by: 252life (Apr 19, 2017 05:15PM)
Train Tracking = Brain Mapping


252tourette's
Message: Posted by: Mental_Mike (Aug 12, 2017 06:31PM)
Hey Guys! I have my copy of Train Tracking for sale now. Not something I wanna sell, but I need the cash!
Message: Posted by: Atlas (Nov 14, 2017 03:43PM)
[quote]On Apr 19, 2017, 252life wrote:
Train Tracking = Brain Mapping


252tourette's [/quote]

I just checked on this thread and hadn't seen this comment - Funnily enough, that's exactly how I viewed it prior to releasing it!

Best,

Atlas
Message: Posted by: Martin Pulman (Nov 14, 2017 04:14PM)
I performed a version of Train Tracking on the phone yesterday (the only way I can perform it!)for an acting client of mine. Her reaction was extraordinary. I wish I had the time, dedication and talent to nail this creation without a ****. Pitch it well to the right person, it is truly an extraordinary work. When you see Atlas perform it, it's like watching Pavarotti sing 'Nessun Dorma'.
Message: Posted by: 252life (Nov 14, 2017 06:52PM)
[quote]On Nov 14, 2017, Martin Pulman wrote:
I performed a version of Train Tracking on the phone yesterday (the only way I can perform it!)for an acting client of mine. Her reaction was extraordinary. I wish I had the time, dedication and talent to nail this creation without a ****. Pitch it well to the right person, it is truly an extraordinary work. When you see Atlas perform it, it's like watching Pavarotti sing 'Nessun Dorma'. [/quote]

Try building up to it with the easiest track.
Like learning a classic force, work it in where it doesn't matter as much.
(Thats how I eased into it anyway, as recommended by Atlas)
I'll never not love TT. After TT, the world of mentalism became so much easier.
Talk about raising the bar high lol
Message: Posted by: Seth speaks (Nov 15, 2017 04:21PM)
After a few years, I’m back to applying my brain to this masterpiece. Even if l can’t quite get it, every time I apply myself to it, I feel like it is a really good brain workout... Is there still a forum for TT owners to help the learning process?
Message: Posted by: 252life (Nov 15, 2017 10:38PM)
I remember the early reviews vividly.

(imagine dreamy flashback music...)

"Too easy!" -Richard Bosterlind
"C'mon Atlas, give us a challenge already!" -LOCH
"I was performing it within minutes of receiving my copy!" -Ben Dine
"Works even better in Portuguese!" -T. Annemann
"Thank God for the supplemental videos!" -M. Baven
"I wish he wouldn't have flooded the market like he did" -Bell Becker
"That was gonna be the 14th Step!" -T. Korinda
" !! !!!" - Teller (of Henn & Teller Televangelist troupe)
"Reading this book was my most dangerous stunt ever. They had to freeze me in ice to prevent my brain from exploding." -D. Bane


252ManyReasonsWhyIDon'tDoComedyTheseAreButAFew
Message: Posted by: Atlas (Nov 18, 2017 04:36AM)
[quote]On Nov 14, 2017, Martin Pulman wrote:
I performed a version of Train Tracking on the phone yesterday (the only way I can perform it!)for an acting client of mine. Her reaction was extraordinary. I wish I had the time, dedication and talent to nail this creation without a ****. Pitch it well to the right person, it is truly an extraordinary work. When you see Atlas perform it, it's like watching Pavarotti sing 'Nessun Dorma'. [/quote]

Martin - You'll have to drop me an email and tell me who it was, I'm curious now.

Seth, yes the forum is still online.

Best,

Atlas
Message: Posted by: Mark Storms (Apr 15, 2018 02:21PM)
Just wanted to pop on here and let it be known that I've listed my copy of Train Tracking for sale on the Café ( http://www.themagiccafe.com/forums/viewtopic.php?topic=663727&forum=78 ) . I know this thread isn't for listing items, but I thought some who have been waiting for a copy of this book to pop up might appreciate the note in this section since not many browse the "books for sale" section on the Café. I've cleared this sale with Atlas and I will be selective in who I sell this to. Thanks!
Message: Posted by: 252life (Apr 16, 2018 02:24PM)
Most rewarding mentalism purchase I ever made.
Someone is in for a treat.
Message: Posted by: MasterGrip (Apr 16, 2018 11:37PM)
Had a session with an old friend this weekend who has this book but has never worked on the effect. I thumbed through it and have to ask, are people "putting in the work" to do this and if so, are they brute forcing it or otherwise? Crazy. I am in awe of anyone using this.
Message: Posted by: Johnny250 (Apr 17, 2018 01:22AM)
I am using this. and this is by far the most powerful thing I ever purchase. now I do only 3 word letters to save time, but it is still getting great reactions
Message: Posted by: 252life (Apr 17, 2018 04:10AM)
I use the short version all the time.
It expands and deepens almost any reveal imo.
Message: Posted by: SleepyMagic (Aug 6, 2018 02:23PM)
I know the main routine is the divination if a word...but I'm really.interested in the "postcard opener" where you predict where the spectator goes on holiday, when they go and the word they describe it with.

I do have a few questions though:

How surefire is this routine?
Does it use DR/IS OR ANY P** SH**?
Any special clothing requirements needed?

Thanks
Sleepy
Message: Posted by: Atlas (Aug 6, 2018 02:28PM)
Here is a video of Steve Haresign performing his take on it at a show of his in Shropshire:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gjmKREdoTVY&t=39s

To your questions:

Surefire.
No.
Kind of - not sure I'd call it that.

All the best,

Atlas
Message: Posted by: MadisonH (Aug 6, 2018 03:06PM)
The postcard effect is very very clever. There’s a drawback and limitation which most people will be afraid of, but it plays cleaner than anything else you’d do in your show. And Atlas provides a couple of different solutions to the effect.

Madison
Message: Posted by: haresign (Aug 7, 2018 09:09AM)
I think it's of paramount importance to show your stage as a fun and safe place to be right from the word go and this routine was just perfect for me as my opener each evening. :-)