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Topic: Street Show Keith (Most Arrested Busker in USA)
Message: Posted by: Devious (May 19, 2014 01:48AM)
Keith is one of my best and most trusted friends in the worlde.
I suppose my best as he is my go to drinking buddy.

We have been harassed by both cops n robbers on the streets.
I'm elated that he has spent lots of time in my company
this past year. Many many years ago he used to be a
"Crate Slug", but he's all better now thankfully.

He also performed for Seal Team Six by request at a backyard
party, just after they got Osama Bin Laden.

The cops arrested him in San Diego for having a dummy hand
grenade and his chain saw was impounded in Las Vegas. In
fact he has had all of his gear confiscated and always managed
to scrap together enough scratch to reacquire slightly used
items to restart the show.

Keith has the most balls I have ever seen on the streets.
He has a huge envelope full of tickets and court summons and
is also the most arrested magician/juggler in The USA according
to he. Anyone whom has met him will surely agree. He sat in jail
for two weeks whilst we scraped enough dough to bail him out over
the hand grenade charge.

He is no longer allowed to perform in the entire San Diego County, but
he still does his show, hit and run style. Then its off to Banker's Hill
where it's safe due to many punk rock hole in the walls, for a some pool,
jukebox music, and shots to celebrate a successful evening...

He is no longer allowed at many venues, mostly for his defiance
against folks whom dislike his fire or in your face performance style.
He wears these expulsions like a badge of honour.

Folks either love or hate him, there is no in between and
that includes fellow buskers. He is a man who doesn't
compromise himself nor his show.

This is a documentary of Keith. You can see him getting
out of jail and also his court appearance in the documentary.
I am very proud to have been a warrior by his side in the trenches.
In all honesty, I feel that Keith won't live to be an olde man because
he flies by the seat of his pants, but I sure hope I am wrong on this...[url=http://vimeo.com/18181300]Documentary Click Here[/url].

Video below was filmed a few days ago, just before our drinking session.
Message: Posted by: Dick Oslund (May 19, 2014 06:38AM)

Can we "dub" him a "short con grifter"?

He sounds a little bit like PENN JILLETTE! When Penn wss breaking in, in Philadelphia, he would finish by jugglig three bayonets. He would say, "The hat is right there...I'm juggling three SHARP bayonets! (etc.)
Message: Posted by: G.Gilbert (May 19, 2014 11:35PM)
The hand grenade bit with the spinning plate was ripped off from my friend Dallas Saupe's show... (Had to mention), so in a way, it's funny to see some level of justice served.
Message: Posted by: Devious (May 22, 2014 05:26PM)
@George Gilbert,
He is no longer performing with the grenade, but I cannot speak as
to your claim. I do remember Gazzo taking issue with you using his
material not too long ago as well. Let's play nice.
Message: Posted by: Ado (May 23, 2014 02:09AM)
Well, I watched the video, it was so painful I had to fast forward. There's more talking about doing stuff than actual stuff happening. Not my kind of busker at all. (It's not the guy I don't like, it's the style. I don't like Gazzo's acts either, for the same reasons.)

Message: Posted by: Devious (May 23, 2014 02:22AM)
I would agree with you on that one.
Do remember he's a :juggle: not one
of us.

I perform almost twenty effects in
a tight 17 minute set. So I hit them
with lots in that run. I once thought
it was too much, but it flows well after
tightening it up over the years.

Once again, I agree...he's a drinkin' buddy
and someone to share a pitch with on occasion.
Message: Posted by: RiffRaff (May 24, 2014 10:27AM)
George is right. Karma.
Message: Posted by: Mario Morris (May 24, 2014 02:24PM)
[quote]On May 23, 2014, Devious wrote:
I would agree with you on that one.
Do remember he's a :juggle: not one
of us.........

............Once again, I agree...he's a drinkin' buddy
and someone to share a pitch with on occasion. [/quote]

The streets belong to all regardless to where performers may like to rank them selfs. Devious You encourage build others up, never lose that. Keep on keeping on. Mario
Message: Posted by: G.Gilbert (May 30, 2014 01:01AM)
Everybody uses his material, because he wrote everything. Including the bible.

LoL Raff
Message: Posted by: G.Gilbert (May 30, 2014 01:11AM)
And Chanz youre the biggest hack of them all. All of that silence in your show originally came from the pauses in between many crude one liners. You street vagrant poor excuse for good wholesome family entertainment you <3
Message: Posted by: G.Gilbert (May 30, 2014 11:08AM)
Https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d83VEc27vaA grenade/plate bit starts at 14:40
Message: Posted by: Mario Morris (May 30, 2014 12:16PM)
With all due respect, You must to be kidding for using this video as an example.
What starts from the beginning of this show is long list of generic fernarlys and one linners I have ever witnessed.
I could not watch it to the end.
Message: Posted by: G.Gilbert (May 30, 2014 01:02PM)
I know Mario, we give him **** for it..

In fact, I think the plate/grenade is the only bit that is his
Message: Posted by: Mario Morris (May 30, 2014 01:06PM)
Perhaps, if the rest of the show is any thing to go by.
Hope you well and life is treating you as it should,
Message: Posted by: JoeJoe (May 30, 2014 02:09PM)
Sounds like much ado about nothing to me. Hard to complain someone is stealing your line or your bit when a large portion of your act is "stock".

But I honestly didn't watch much of his show (outside my time constraints), so I really shouldn't be commenting.

Message: Posted by: G.Gilbert (May 30, 2014 08:24PM)
I disagree... Many performers do great with stock material, and there's nothing wrong with using stock. A lot of my show is just old classics revamped for me..

One example, my pal Hilby, the skinny german juggle boy made a name for it, and has a great career, and is an incredible performer. One of the only guys who can make me laugh with classic stock jokes.. But , if you create something that IS without a doubt 100% YOURS, becomes your signature, that NOBODY else is doing, then it's not pat STOCK, and I think it's kind of crappy to take it... Especially verbatim!

At least try to change the bit, you might find another angle to take on it.
Message: Posted by: JoeJoe (May 30, 2014 10:21PM)
It is not about how well a performer does with stock material, it has to do with the fact that he did not create said material himself. All stock material started out as someone's "original" work, that then got stolen or sold.

And rarely is stock material actually "purchased", which is why I say it's hard to complain that someone is stealing a line when a large portion of the act is "stock" to begin with. Hard to take the high road when you're standing waist deep in mud.

Message: Posted by: Mario Morris (May 31, 2014 10:51AM)
I think that point was already made clear JoeJoe, to much of a good thing will make one vomit it all up.
Message: Posted by: G.Gilbert (May 31, 2014 02:39PM)
A lot of lines I have tried to trace, and found impossible ..They are just too old. And a lot of them are variations of Rob Orbin jokes.

. Here are just a couple of lines that I do know the original source for.

Giving a kid a plastic bag (Space helmet), the bit came from MR Pitiful, stand up comedian . I remember him doing his bit on the re-made version of "make me laugh". "My parents hated me. On my birthday, dad gave me a plastic bag. He said it was a space helmet.. One time he bought me a swing, and put it in front of a brick wall. My mother gave birth wearing panty hoes, " etc, etc...

"Do you get sesame street where your from? I know you watch it, but do you get it" .. This is from the first episode ever of Alf, not hard to find... Alf looks condused watching sesame street, and the girl says "Do you get sesame street where your from".. Alf replies "no , and I don't get it here either". ..

So , question.. Who owns those lines? I bet I know somebody who would claim them
Message: Posted by: augiemagic (Jun 1, 2014 05:06PM)
I'm gonna take an unpopular position here and argue that stock lines, and the use thereof, aren't a bad thing, and definitely have their place.

When you learn to play guitar, do you start by writing your own songs? No.
When an actor auditions for a play, do they write their own monologue? No!
When a child learn to write, do they start out creating novels? NO!

In all of these, the learner starts out by doing something that has been done successfully before. That way, they can focus on technical ability and craftsmanship. In the beginning stages of learning, it's best to do something as close to how someone else does it to learn a successful way to do it. That way the learner is not wasting their time learning to do something that doesn't actually work.

Craftsmanship comes before artistry. Learn a stock show, and fill it with stock lines, and learn to deliver them, and perform them. Learn to misdirect by cracking a joke while loading a cup. Learn to gather a crowd by doing the same thing as the other guys. Learn a few good hat lines to figure out how to GTFM. Then start to inject your individuality. Bit by bit, shows evolve on their own. New lines and situations crop up. The learner exposes themselves to new experiences and teachers, and bit by bit, their show becomes a bit more unique.

Stock lines, stock shows, stock routines... They are all fantastic learning tools.

As far as the originality of stock lines, or lack thereof, we, as people, and as performers, aren't as original as we think. If you've ever worked retail, you've heard countless people say "This doesn't have a tag. Does that mean it's free?"

As a magician, you've undoubtedly heard "Can you make my wife disappear?" or "Can you change this 1 into a 100?"

How many jugglers have independently come up with jokes about having 3 balls? I'm sure the number is in the thousands. There is lots of low-hanging comedic fruit.

I thought I was brilliant when I came up with "I don't actually smoke cigarettes, I only smoke when I do shows... About 20 a day!" without having heard it before. When I saw Nick Nickolas say the same thing, for the briefest second I thought "Hey- that guy stole my line!"

I of course, regained my senses quickly and realized that as far as lines go, it's not much of a stretch to come up with. He's probably been doing it since before I was born. Independent invention is a common thing in comedy. The point is that lots of people find the same things funny, and lots of those people are in very similar situations a lot of the time. It's only natural that we'd come up with similar lines a decent amount of the time.

I don't say this to encourage line stealing by any means, but that we, as performers, can be far more forgiving when it happens. Another person doing a bit you came up with isn't going to ruin you. 100 other people doing your bit isn't going to ruin you. Yeah, you do have a right to your line, but in the grander scheme of things, is it really worth the effort, anxiety, and frustration we pour out when we feel we have been wronged? If you as a performer are so unable to come up with new material, new lines, new jokes, that you have to doggedly defend every last one you've created, well I'd have to say that your artistic growth has stalled, and you can't be more than a small step above the unoriginal artists you dislike.

Additionally, hundreds of bands play the same songs the same way, and nobody objects. There is absolutely a place for cover bands, as well as "Cover magicians" and "cover jugglers".

Someday I want to write a book of stock routines and hat lines and one-liners and all of that. A compendium of bit and pieces, and full shows. Something you could hand to an absolute beginner to get him out on the street and working as fast as possible. Compile that together with a section on show structure, audience management, and other street knowledge, and make it into a "Here's a few stock shows you can do to get started, here are 20 additional street-tested routines you can mix and match to build a show, and here's a starting point to create your own" kind of book. The goal is to get someone out and working as fast as possible, and learning the right way.

I think I have years of learning ahead of me before such an ambitious project though.
Message: Posted by: imgic (Jun 1, 2014 05:21PM)
Augie...great post!
Message: Posted by: Mario Morris (Jun 1, 2014 06:27PM)
Stock lines are stock lines they are their to be used.
I have not read any thing in this thread saying you should not use them.

Hear a real tip "use them sparengly"

Funny thing is I am writing a book, I have mentioned it on my FB wall I am thirty thousand words in.
So long way to go yet!
It will have many layers to it, but the thing I love about this project their is only one person who could write it.
You have to wait to find out why that person is me
So its going to be diffrent but yet cover a lot of things.

If you want to encourage me in this project please visit my facebook wall.

In the mean time perhaps we can return to the plot and try to help Devious build up aother performer.
Message: Posted by: Devious (Jun 5, 2014 06:28PM)
Keith is no longer performing the grenade and plate business
if you will note the video I shared. He was not aware that it
was someone else's business, until I made mention of it.

Having said that, some of us are here to build each other up
and some of us only serve to tear each other down.

Devious who are you? "I'm the guy who knew Jimmy Talksalot before
he even thought about busking when he lived in El Paso,Texas.
I met him just after he met Jamie O' Hara from Las Cruces, NM.

I used to throw him my small gigs...so if you are his student,
you should perhaps respect that? It's up to you.
Message: Posted by: Nick W (Jul 23, 2014 04:16PM)
Does anyone know where Keith is not?
Message: Posted by: tboehnlein (Jul 25, 2014 10:00PM)
I enjoyed his show, why does he get arrested so often and is that really good for busking.
Message: Posted by: The Great Zoobini (Aug 26, 2014 04:54PM)
So Keith has been arrested at least 17 times?
I thought the Naked Cowboy who's been arrested coast to coast was the leader at 16...
Message: Posted by: RiffRaff (Aug 26, 2014 09:46PM)
Phillipe Petit: 500 arrests.