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Topic: Topit with closed jacket
Message: Posted by: Matt101 (Jun 5, 2014 07:07AM)
Hello everyone,

I am wondering if there is any material (preferrably DVD as English is not my mother tongue) on topit with closed jacket? I have found so far only the open version.

Thanks,

Mat
Message: Posted by: RJH (Jun 5, 2014 08:52AM)
The only DVD I know that has information on the closed topit is the Artist System by Lukas.

RJH
Message: Posted by: Matt101 (Jun 5, 2014 09:58AM)
Thanks RJH, any books?
Message: Posted by: Bill Hegbli (Jun 5, 2014 12:10PM)
Lukas is not a actual Topit, it is the old jacket pitch. Although if your jacket is closed then it really will not be a Topit technique. There is a Topit that can be used with a vest. I would suggest you use the search engine here on the Café and read all the articles concerning the Topit, I remember that some discussed this, and there is a new Topit out as well. The only books is for the Michael Ammar Topit in English.

Look up Vertex Topit as well.
Message: Posted by: Anatole (Jun 5, 2014 03:41PM)
There is also the Patrick Page monograph from around 1966 called _The Topit Handbook_. We sold the Topit and the Page booklet at Earl Edwards's Magic Shop in Norfolk. But Michael Ammar is credited with adding some great features to the Topit that made it extremely powerful.

An entry on the Magicpedia website notes that:
"Historically, Topits were employed by pickpockets and shoplifters, but they have a different name for them. The art of Topit has developed, like some other forms of magic, in symbiotic relationship between magicians and grifters, both considered sleight of hand artists."
Retrieved from
http://www.geniimagazine.com/wiki/index.php/Topit

Bob Fitch is also well-known for his work with the Topit as well as the holdout and has a Topit Workshop 3 DVD Set selling for $99.95:
http://www.fitchmagic.com/#!storefront/cgk3
but I have no idea whether it addresses working with a closed jacket. There is contact info on Bob's webpage if you want to ask him.

----- Sonny
Message: Posted by: Brad Jeffers (Jun 5, 2014 09:31PM)
[quote]On Jun 5, 2014, Anatole wrote: Topits were employed by pickpockets and shoplifters, but they have a different name for them.[/quote]
A topit is called a poacher's pouch by shoplifters. Gambler's who utilize it for switching dice, refer to it as a web.
Message: Posted by: Bill Hegbli (Jun 8, 2014 11:26AM)
Not exactly correct, a Topit is not called a Poacher's Pouch. The Topit was invented by Harold Camden, many believe or suggest, the idea sprang from the early years in the U.K., where poor hungry people would steal chickens from local farmers. The foul was placed in the pouch, which usually had the location under their clothing.

The famous owner of Davenport's Magic in London, England, George Davenport, made the Topit famous with his Vanishing Deck of cards that were not in the box or case.

Patrick Page also increased its popularity, because he was the one whom finally wrote a more comprehensive booklet for the use of the Topit. Page was a manager of one of the satellite stores Davenport had established around the U.K. for many years. The booklet then became the instructions with the prop or Gimmick.

Mike Ammar was one of the few Americans that perfected the Topit and made a bit of a reputation with it use. Publishing a comprehensive book for its many uses. He explained a retrieval system and now the gimmick started to become more a useful tool, instead of just a way to vanish an object.

There have been other Topits, I recall one being called the Upside Down Topit. Never seen it, but some reports said it did not use the same physical actions of the standard designed Topit.
Message: Posted by: Anatole (Jun 13, 2014 11:36PM)
There was a previous Magic Café discussion on topits at:
http://www.themagiccafe.com/forums/viewtopic.php?topic=73233&forum=130
that may be worth reviewing.

----- Sonny
Message: Posted by: Alexander Wells (Jun 17, 2014 07:43AM)
[quote]On Jun 8, 2014, Bill Hegbli wrote:
Not exactly correct, a Topit is not called a Poacher's Pouch. The Topit was invented by Harold Camden, many believe or suggest, the idea sprang from the early years in the U.K., where poor hungry people would steal chickens from local farmers. The foul was placed in the pouch, which usually had the location under their clothing.

[/quote]

Not exactly correct..;) Poacher's steal game, not chicken. I think that stealing chickens would just be stealing rather than poaching. When getting a country tweed suit made the tailor will still ask whether you want a hare pocket. Poachers were hunters illegally hunting/poaching on someone else's land. Big inside pockets let you hide your kill from the gamekeeper.
It wasn't just in the "early years" that this happened...still goes on!

You are certainly right though that a poacher's pocket does not have the facility of a topit. It's just a big inside jacket/coat pocket.

I remember a conversation with another magician who said that shoplifters used something very like a topit and called them "whizzpockets". Quite an apt name.

The "whizz" element suggests it may have had some of the facility that a topit has over the poacher's pocket. i.e. to do with the opening.
Poachers just need a big place to put their contraband as they have plenty of time to stash it, whereas a shoplifter or magician needs to get it there quickly/undetectably as well.
Message: Posted by: damien666 (Jun 17, 2014 12:52PM)
The upside down topit, I believe, was an invention of Danny Korem.. It is not really related to the traditional pocket-type of topit being discussed here. It is a set up that uses gravity and another special something to make the magic happen.