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Topic: I would like to add a Fire Wallet to my set but how safe is it?
Message: Posted by: Montana76 (Oct 16, 2014 06:06AM)
Hi all!
I'd like to add a fire wallet to my set but I have some questions;

- How can I store it (when not in use) so I am 100% sure that it will not catch fire? I have two small children and it will be out of their reach in my magic office, but I am afraid to set my home at risk. Maybe there are some kind of special container?
- How safe is it to carry it in my back pocket? Sounds crazy to carry around a thing dabbed in gasoline!
- Will my suit smell gasoline so I have to clean it afterwards?

Any help/advice would be greatly appreciated!
Message: Posted by: Michael Baker (Oct 16, 2014 07:36AM)
NO GASOLINE!!!!!!!! Wherever you heard that, IT IS WRONG!!!!

NEVER... NEVER... [b]NEVER USE GASOLINE[/b] in any device used for magic.

I would STRONGLY suggest that you DO NOT use ANY FIRE EFFECTS in your show!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Message: Posted by: Dannydoyle (Oct 16, 2014 07:40AM)
It is fire. Using the word safe is silly.
Message: Posted by: Montana76 (Oct 16, 2014 08:05AM)
Well, this has definetily not wet my appetite.. Other opinions?

Michael: Was I wrong in saying gasoline? Should I use something else?
Message: Posted by: smullins (Oct 16, 2014 08:11AM)
Lighter fluid
Message: Posted by: Montana76 (Oct 16, 2014 08:17AM)
Thanks Smullins. Safe?
Message: Posted by: Jmolomagic (Oct 16, 2014 09:35AM)
[quote]On Oct 16, 2014, Montana76 wrote:
Hi all!
I'd like to add a fire wallet to my set but I have some questions;

- How can I store it (when not in use) so I am 100% sure that it will not catch fire? I have two small children and it will be out of their reach in my magic office, but I am afraid to set my home at risk. Maybe there are some kind of special container?
- How safe is it to carry it in my back pocket? Sounds crazy to carry around a thing dabbed in gasoline!
- Will my suit smell gasoline so I have to clean it afterwards?

Any help/advice would be greatly appreciated! [/quote]

Which fire Wallet do you have? :)
Message: Posted by: ScottieKrause (Oct 16, 2014 10:03AM)
I had a theater magic one for awhile. I never used it in a show or set, because I always felt the risk was too high. Accidently setting something or someone on fire or burning them from dropping it.(I have accidently dropped it lit on s take before because someone knocked it out of my hand). I did use it as my everyday wallet though. Got quite a few laughs out of it when paying for things!

I always used lighter fluid. Give it a few min before you use it to let the fumes condense to a point it will combust easier.
Message: Posted by: Jmolomagic (Oct 16, 2014 10:38AM)
[quote]On Oct 16, 2014, ScottieKrause wrote:
I had a theater magic one for awhile. I never used it in a show or set, because I always felt the risk was too high. Accidently setting something or someone on fire or burning them from dropping it.(I have accidently dropped it lit on s take before because someone knocked it out of my hand). I did use it as my everyday wallet though. Got quite a few laughs out of it when paying for things!

I always used lighter fluid. Give it a few min before you use it to let the fumes condense to a point it will combust easier. [/quote]

I have been using my fire Wallet at gigs for a couple months. I usually use it as a an opener in my walk around sets.

Before I actually purchased the Wallet, I also had the same concerns as everyone else. I did some research at my local magic store and also on the Café. I meet some magicians that love and swear by their fire Wallet and some that didn't want anything to do with them.

I decided to jump in and purchase the fire Wallet from Theatre Magic and do my own field testing. For the people I showed it to, they seem to love it. So I feel if majority of my spectators love it, it has to go into my show because the whole entire reason I do magic is to make people happy.

I believe you have to be thoughtful with when, where and how you use your fire Wallet. I'm currently developing my own Routine where the Wallet isn't just a gag. Also with any other effect I do, I try to read my spectator, if they will enjoy this effect. If they look like a fun and open person I'm more likely to perform it for them then someone that seems uptight.

I might be incorrect in my logic to some but this logic seems to work with me..... So far. :)

Jonathan
Message: Posted by: patrick1515 (Oct 16, 2014 11:01AM)
Fire Wallet 2.0 by Theatre Magic (Gimmick and DVD)
For years I was adverse to using fire. Purchased this product to be used one time for a special event. The reactions I get using this fire wallet are well worth the small risk of using an open flame.

The leather wallet is decently made, not high end leather work, but perfectly fine for the use. The fire gimmick is very well made having many features built into the design which provide the user a product that lights easily, performs well and will self-extinguish if dropped. The design of the gimmick contains the flame spread and provides additional clearances should the user accidentally tilt their hands in an extreme mannor or direction.
Damage or injury from an open flame is always a risk, by utilizing common sense and applying "safe and sane" use of this product that risk should be greatly minimized.
As with any use of fire there will always be residual odors which may bother people that have a sensitivities.
Message: Posted by: themagiciansapprentice (Oct 16, 2014 11:16AM)
Most serious restaurants will not let you use one (or any Flash products) due to Health &Safety / alarming diners.

If they do, make sure your PLI will cover you for any damage.
Message: Posted by: Holistic Magic (Oct 16, 2014 11:28AM)
There is an odor when you use it so you would may not want to do it in someone home without asking or warning first.
Message: Posted by: MeetMagicMike (Oct 16, 2014 11:31AM)
Many of us use it to great reactions and I've never had a problem. If you're not comfortable with the idea just do something else.
Message: Posted by: Jmolomagic (Oct 16, 2014 11:36AM)
[quote]On Oct 16, 2014, Montana76 wrote:
Hi all!
I'd like to add a fire wallet to my set but I have some questions;

- How can I store it (when not in use) so I am 100% sure that it will not catch fire? I have two small children and it will be out of their reach in my magic office, but I am afraid to set my home at risk. Maybe there are some kind of special container?
- How safe is it to carry it in my back pocket? Sounds crazy to carry around a thing dabbed in gasoline!
- Will my suit smell gasoline so I have to clean it afterwards?

Any help/advice would be greatly appreciated! [/quote]

To answer your question about how safe and how to keep everyone safe from your fire Wallet is to be thoughtful on how, when and where your going to use your wallet. Also....

I have a 6 year old son I don't want near anything flammable or dangerous. I usually store my wallet in a secure and out of reach area. I also try to dry out the wick before I store my wallet.

I carry my wallet usually in my back pocket. With the new theatre fire wallets it has an enclosure for the wick. It seems safe.

I have used the fire Wallet for all my gigs for the last couple months and there is a gas smell when you light it each time. It isn't to strong but you can still smell it. I haven't had any spectator complain about it but I know it's there. I usually don't leave it lit for to long.

How this answers your question. :)
Message: Posted by: professorwhut (Oct 16, 2014 01:15PM)
I would complain to the restaurant management if someone blasted me with a fire wallet.
Message: Posted by: Jmolomagic (Oct 16, 2014 01:32PM)
[quote]On Oct 16, 2014, professorwhut wrote:
I would complain to the restaurant management if someone blasted me with a fire wallet. [/quote]

What don't you like about the fire Wallet as a spectator?
Message: Posted by: Rocky (Oct 16, 2014 05:06PM)
[quote]On Oct 16, 2014, Jmolomagic wrote:
[quote]On Oct 16, 2014, professorwhut wrote:
I would complain to the restaurant management if someone blasted me with a fire wallet. [/quote]

I also complain when someone blasts me with an ACR.
Message: Posted by: Jmolomagic (Oct 16, 2014 07:35PM)
[quote]On Oct 16, 2014, Rocky wrote:
[quote]On Oct 16, 2014, Jmolomagic wrote:
[quote]On Oct 16, 2014, professorwhut wrote:
I would complain to the restaurant management if someone blasted me with a fire wallet. [/quote]

I also complain when someone blasts me with an ACR. [/quote]
But my ACR has a Fire Wallet Kicker! :(
Message: Posted by: pepka (Oct 16, 2014 11:58PM)
I have stated my dislike on here about fire wallets for years. I used one briefly and saw it can be irresponsible. I had a group of kids really freak out at the unexpected sight of fire. (They had been the victims of a house fire a few months earlier.) A rare instance....but that's enough for me. I personally think that flash/fire items in close up, such as a restaurant is in very poor taste and potentially dangerous. Stand-up, stage or parlor where you have more distance between, you and your audience, maybe but certainly not table-hopping.
Message: Posted by: professorwhut (Oct 17, 2014 11:03AM)
[quote]On Oct 16, 2014, Jmolomagic wrote:
[quote]On Oct 16, 2014, professorwhut wrote:
I would complain to the restaurant management if someone blasted me with a fire wallet. [/quote]

What don't you like about the fire Wallet as a spectator? [/quote]


I do not mind the fire wallet as spectator. I just don't favor it in a restaurant setting.
Pepka pretty much summed it up.
Message: Posted by: professorwhut (Oct 17, 2014 11:05AM)
[quote]On Oct 16, 2014, Rocky wrote:
[quote]On Oct 16, 2014, Jmolomagic wrote:
[quote]On Oct 16, 2014, professorwhut wrote:
I would complain to the restaurant management if someone blasted me with a fire wallet. [/quote]

I also complain when someone blasts me with an ACR. [/quote]

Ha... Good one.
Message: Posted by: Yellowcustard (Oct 17, 2014 09:46PM)
I was at a restaurant once and there was a magician doing the rounds My friend asked him to come up to the table and do some tricks for us. He said he be there shortly. He rocked up and the first thing he did was flick out his wallet and flash fire. I had heard of this approach before and always feared it more shouting at people then getting there attention. As the flame appeared some on from our table jumped back and knocked over a glass of wine. This called a brupt end to his show. Later when I spoke to him he said yeah that happens on ocison.

Please note I think this says more about him as a magician then the tick. Used in the rigth ay I think its great.
Message: Posted by: Goldfield (Oct 18, 2014 12:26PM)
Use it with no problems.. Pick your audience!
Message: Posted by: jimhlou (Oct 18, 2014 02:13PM)
I've been using my Kapps wallet for at least three years. People love it. There is inherently some danger, but using a little common sense goes a long way. I use lighter fluid, and the wallet will usually work for about two hours. After that it dries out and won't light. I leave it open to let it continue to dry when I get home. I don't have any kids around the house, but if a kid were to pick it up, it's no more dangerous than any other wallet. Some places (nursing homes and schools for example) really frown on them, and I wouldn't do it in a restaurant. But other than that, go for it.

Jim
Message: Posted by: Alan Munro (Nov 6, 2014 06:44AM)
Don't use it near women, who use too much hairspray. The fumes can be highly flammable. Whoosh!!! LOL

I haven't used fire in my show, in over a decade. The looks of concern were enough to make me stop.
Message: Posted by: Ihop (Nov 7, 2014 12:16AM)
Sometimes in a restaurant a waiter will wheel in a dessert on a cart with flames shooting up 4 feet high.
Doesn't make sense that some one would complain about a fire wallet.
I've used mine regularly for years and have had 0 problems.
Quite the contrary, I've had great reactions.
These extreme views about safety issues and legal issues (coin & money defacing) are starting to sound like political correctness gone wild.
Just use common sense.
Message: Posted by: Montana76 (Nov 7, 2014 03:09AM)
Thank you all! I now store mine in a aluminium box made for norwegian brown cheese:)
I figured it is not much more unsafe than keeping a Zippo-lighter in your pocket.. But use common sense.
Message: Posted by: themagiciansapprentice (Nov 7, 2014 03:25PM)
[quote]On Nov 7, 2014, Ihop wrote:
Sometimes in a restaurant a waiter will wheel in a dessert on a cart with flames shooting up 4 feet high.
Doesn't make sense that some one would complain about a fire wallet.
I've used mine regularly for years and have had 0 problems.
Quite the contrary, I've had great reactions.
These extreme views about safety issues and legal issues (coin & money defacing) are starting to sound like political correctness gone wild.
Just use common sense. [/quote]

nope, it's compliance with your contract - ours with two NATIONAL CHAIN restaurants in the UK prohibits ANY NAKED FLAMES inside the building

no flash paper
no fire-wallets

no candles
and no flaming desserts
Message: Posted by: regimbeaup (Nov 7, 2014 08:06PM)
My gf stopped trying to look into my wallet after I performed this trick
Message: Posted by: Jmolomagic (Nov 7, 2014 09:05PM)
[quote]On Nov 7, 2014, themagiciansapprentice wrote:
[quote]On Nov 7, 2014, Ihop wrote:
Sometimes in a restaurant a waiter will wheel in a dessert on a cart with flames shooting up 4 feet high.
Doesn't make sense that some one would complain about a fire wallet.
I've used mine regularly for years and have had 0 problems.
Quite the contrary, I've had great reactions.
These extreme views about safety issues and legal issues (coin & money defacing) are starting to sound like political correctness gone wild.
Just use common sense. [/quote]

nope, it's compliance with your contract - ours with two NATIONAL CHAIN restaurants in the UK prohibits ANY NAKED FLAMES inside the building

no flash paper
no fire-wallets

no candles
and no flaming desserts [/quote]

that's awesome information for the UK but is this a Worldwide contract? Because it says Ihop is from New Jersey?

Jonathan
Message: Posted by: Dannydoyle (Nov 7, 2014 09:27PM)
Personally I think it is a needless prop for restaurant work.

But that is me personally that is just an opinion and it would be fairly stupid to think that should translate to every person in every restaurant situation.

If it fits your style use it. Be cautious and smart. Don't use gasoline but lighter fluid. Check before you do with management and all should be just fine.
Message: Posted by: Ihop (Nov 8, 2014 04:50PM)
[quote]On Nov 7, 2014, themagiciansapprentice wrote:
[quote]On Nov 7, 2014, Ihop wrote:
Sometimes in a restaurant a waiter will wheel in a dessert on a cart with flames shooting up 4 feet high.
Doesn't make sense that some one would complain about a fire wallet.
I've used mine regularly for years and have had 0 problems.
Quite the contrary, I've had great reactions.
These extreme views about safety issues and legal issues (coin & money defacing) are starting to sound like political correctness gone wild.
Just use common sense. [/quote]

nope, it's compliance with your contract - ours with two NATIONAL CHAIN restaurants in the UK prohibits ANY NAKED FLAMES inside the building

no flash paper
no fire-wallets

no candles
and no flaming desserts [/quote]

As I stated, "just use common sense".
If your contract says no open flames, then it's common sense not to use open flames.
Message: Posted by: MagiCol (Nov 23, 2014 06:29PM)
I wonder if anyone has come up with a simulated Fire Wallet. On stage fire is simulated by a fan blowing red/yellow 'flames' made of light-weight material up into the air, the 'flames' waving about as gravity works to pull them down. It wouldn't work close-up. Or would it?

I won't use flame or matches as I don't want kids even thinking to want to experiment with them.
Message: Posted by: Dannydoyle (Nov 23, 2014 06:58PM)
It looks pretty lame on stage.