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Topic: Gilbreath Principle
Message: Posted by: AZVP (Jan 5, 2015 04:38PM)
In your opinion, is Up the Ante the best trick that uses this principle?
Message: Posted by: NebA (Jan 5, 2015 06:31PM)
I don't personally have Up the Ante, but if you are interested in the Gilbreath Principle I would recommend Woody Aragon's book "A Book in English." It has some great effects.
Message: Posted by: captainsmiffy (Jan 9, 2015 10:20PM)
Yes.......but I might be considered biased!!!
Message: Posted by: David95 (Jan 10, 2015 11:32AM)
It gets the best reactions of any card trick I do. The spectator doing all the work after THEY shuffled the deck blows them (and me too) away. I love it.
David
Message: Posted by: mtoth2008 (Jan 15, 2015 06:05AM)
Another excellent use of the Gilbreath principle is Red & Black by Asi Wind which can be found in his book/DVD combo Chapter One.

Mike
Message: Posted by: JH5magic (Jan 15, 2015 07:00PM)
I think Sal's Memory Opener by Sal Piacente (originally by Steve Forte) on "Sal Piacente – Expert Card Magic Lecture Notes Volume 1" is fantastic.

S = Spectator, M = Magician

EFFECT: S shuffles deck. Deals down 13 cards. M briefly looks at 13 cards as though memorizing them and hands them back to S, then:
Phase 1: S mixes 13 cards & removes 1. M looks at remaining cards and names value.
Phase 2: S deals another 13 cards from balance of deck. M briefly looks at cards. S removes 2 cards for blackjack hand. M looks at remaining cards and names hand.
Phase 3: Finally, S shuffles remainder of deck as much as they want and removes 5 card poker hand and M looks through balance and names 5 cards.

John
Message: Posted by: stickmondoo (Mar 16, 2015 12:27PM)
Up the Ante is an amazing little miracle. I really like Doth by Max Maven too. Also Bob Kings Order Please is great and you don't need to set the pack up before hand.
Message: Posted by: rowdymagi5 (Mar 16, 2015 06:41PM)
Where can one find Bob Kings Order Please?
Message: Posted by: stickmondoo (Mar 21, 2015 07:11AM)
I have it in magician foolers. But I think Its in a couple of other places.
Message: Posted by: sjrw (Mar 27, 2015 05:44AM)
Many of the other great Gilbreath principle based tricks I used to perform have since been replaced with something more direct.
Mockingbird for instance - a great effect with very challenging conditions. It was fun to perform. Fooled magicians like crazy! But my lay audiences would give a stronger reaction to a simple card peek reveal (which is essentially the same effect - I reveal a thought of card). I believe this is because it is more direct. All of the procedure involved could be perceived as your way of doing "something sneaky". But with a card peek I put the deck into their hands as soon as the card has been selected.

Up The Ante is the only Gilbreath trick I still perform. It is perfectly clear. And I think it is very direct. I can't think of a more direct way of performing this effect. After the spectator shuffles the deck you demonstrate a crazy level of card control without ever touching the cards again. You seemingly control all 52 cards.


captainsmiffy - did you mention an updated version of this being released at some point?
Message: Posted by: captainsmiffy (Mar 28, 2015 01:56PM)
It had been mooted that I should author a compendium of variations on this effect.....to this end, I did write to a few people on here about their versions and ideas of Up The Ante. I had a response or two but am still waiting on others. If I get sufficient material then it may prove worthwhile, so am open to variations please! I could also put in all of the various ideas that have occurred over the years that have improved the original version. May be interesting to do. Especially whilst I am on this enforced medical break from flying!!
Message: Posted by: David95 (Mar 29, 2015 09:05AM)
Sharpen your pencil and get to work!!
David
Message: Posted by: Steven Conner (Aug 17, 2019 11:26PM)
[quote]On Mar 28, 2015, captainsmiffy wrote:
It had been mooted that I should author a compendium of variations on this effect.....to this end, I did write to a few people on here about their versions and ideas of Up The Ante. I had a response or two but am still waiting on others. If I get sufficient material then it may prove worthwhile, so am open to variations please! I could also put in all of the various ideas that have occurred over the years that have improved the original version. May be interesting to do. Especially whilst I am on this enforced medical break from flying!! [/quote]

Anything happen with this.

Best

Steve
Message: Posted by: WayneBurrows (Aug 22, 2019 12:22AM)
Where can I find a description of Up The Ante? And where can I find the effect?
Message: Posted by: WayneBurrows (Aug 22, 2019 01:14AM)
Oh I found the description. It seems to be a very basic application of the Gilbreath principle that anyone knowing the principle could make up the details of having seen the description.
Message: Posted by: holdingoutflat (Sep 2, 2019 08:42PM)
Sal Piacente has a certain routine that I have found to be the best Gilbreath principle trick I've ever used and hits so *** hard. Don't want to say which one since it really isn't apparent that it uses it. PMs welcome
Message: Posted by: Andy Moss (Oct 12, 2019 12:29PM)
'The Hawk' by Max Maven is another good choice to consider. It uses the Gilbreath Principle and also a one way system for the cards which when combined make for a very clever methodology. I prefer it to 'The Mockingbird'.

The Gilbreath Principle can also be used with tarot cards. Use sixteen minor arcana personality/court cards, the female pages (many tarot decks are gender balanced) the male knights, the female queens and the male kings. Instead of the four playing card suits we of course have Staffs/Clubs, Cups, Swords and Pentacles/Coins. Instead of red and black we simply use male and female.

It is subtle but effective and opens the door to a number of possibilities.
Message: Posted by: Ben Blau (Oct 23, 2019 11:00AM)
Both of my books have Gilbreath effects in them, in case you're looking for more.

-Ben
Message: Posted by: mattH (Dec 30, 2019 09:28AM)
Does anyone know if there is a definative book on this powerful tool?
Message: Posted by: JoeB01 (Jan 3, 2020 03:44AM)
There are many tricks using the Gilbreath Principle that are real foolers. Probably the one I perform most often is Memo Fry by Woody Aragon using the Siamese Deck.

[quote]On Dec 30, 2019, mattH wrote:
Does anyone know if there is a definative book on this powerful tool? [/quote]

"Breath" by Mat Parrott and "Gilbreath's Prinzipien" for example.
Message: Posted by: Terry Holley (Jan 9, 2020 11:19PM)
[quote]On Dec 30, 2019, mattH wrote:
Does anyone know if there is a definative book on this powerful tool? [/quote]

"Magical Mathematics" (Chapter 5) has a discussion on the Gilbreath Principle. You can use this link to use the Amazon "Look Inside" feature:

https://www.amazon.com/Magical-Mathematics-Mathematical-Animate-Tricks/dp/0691169772/ref=sr_1_1?keywords=magical+mathematics&qid=1578632713&s=books&sr=1-1#reader_0691169772
Message: Posted by: stevie c (Jan 10, 2020 03:06PM)
Woh, thanks for this recommendation Terry!! As well as cards, I'm a massive mathematics geek so this is just about the perfect book for me :):) Was completely unaware it existed!!!
Message: Posted by: Harry Lorayne (Jan 10, 2020 04:33PM)
Somewhere, decades ago, I published a strong poker routine based on the Gilbreath principle. I think. Someone might want to do the research.
Message: Posted by: Steven Conner (Jan 10, 2020 05:24PM)
[quote]On Jan 10, 2020, Harry Lorayne wrote:
Somewhere, decades ago, I published a strong poker routine based on the Gilbreath principle. I think. Someone might want to do the research. [/quote]

Best of Friends, All Fair Poker
TREND-SETTERS, a routine titled Straight Away
Game Law," by Roy Walton
MISH MOSH in H.Lorayne: BEST OF FRIENDS Vol.1 p. 314est

Steve
Message: Posted by: Harry Lorayne (Jan 10, 2020 05:57PM)
Thanks, Steve. I'd really forgotten all about those. And, of course, the newbies never knew them in the first place, 'cause they just don't know about the "good stuff"!
Message: Posted by: stevie c (Jan 10, 2020 06:03PM)
[quote]On Jan 10, 2020, Harry Lorayne wrote:
Thanks, Steve. I'd really forgotten all about those. And, of course, the newbies never knew them in the first place, 'cause they just don't know about the "good stuff"! [/quote]

There's an old saying "..I've forgotten more than you'll ever know..".

With regards to HL this is obviously very much the case!! An inspirational guy!!

BW

Steve
Message: Posted by: Nicolino (Jan 15, 2020 09:54AM)
[quote]On Dec 30, 2019, mattH wrote:
Does anyone know if there is a definative book on this powerful tool? [/quote]
Oh yes, there are some. My recommendations for you to start with are Arthur Mactier: "Card Concepts" and Reinhard Müller: "Gilbreath's Principles". These books are actually the good stuff, so to speak. You get a comprehensive insight how the principle works and what you can do with it.
Message: Posted by: CartoucheNL (Mar 15, 2020 12:17PM)
Is there anyone else beside me that replaced the riffle shuffle in Up The Ante with Lennart Green's Rosetta Shuffle? Especially with new cards a spectator might 'loose' the cards when doing a riffle shuffle and furthermore the Rosetta Shuffle (which can also be found on the Move Zero series from John Bannon) looks way more chaotic in my opinion.
On topic, in some of Simon Aronson's book he also uses and teaches the Gilbreath principle. The nice thing when reading Aronson is that he really delves deep into the theory.