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Topic: Will Seattle Win?
Message: Posted by: Slim King (Jan 9, 2015 06:26PM)
I'm originally from Washington State, so I'm partial to the Sea Hawks. What are the odds they will repeat a Super Bowl victory?
Message: Posted by: LobowolfXXX (Jan 9, 2015 06:43PM)
Currently, 9-5. I got 'em at 5-1.
Message: Posted by: mastermindreader (Jan 9, 2015 07:13PM)
Odds Shark has Seattle at 2-1 as of earlier today. Denver is slightly behind at 10-3.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2323251-super-bowl-2015-latest-championship-odds-and-divisional-round-predictions
Message: Posted by: arthur stead (Jan 9, 2015 11:44PM)
I predict they'll win it.
Message: Posted by: Payne (Jan 10, 2015 12:25AM)
What time is the game? These play-off things are always a good time to go to the movies around here. I think I'll go see Inherent Vice
Message: Posted by: Slim King (Jan 10, 2015 12:30AM)
After years and years we had Largent and Zorn ... Now things have changed.
I'm actually excited about a sporting event ... and that takes a lot!!!
Should I bet? :dancing: :bigdance: :bigdance: :band: :heavymetal: :cheering: :cheering:
Message: Posted by: LobowolfXXX (Jan 10, 2015 12:40AM)
They're the most likely team to win, but not really an overlay (or much of one) at that price. If I were going to bet a team to win the Super Bowl now, I'd take the Ravens at 15-1.
Message: Posted by: Slim King (Jan 10, 2015 01:41AM)
[quote]On Jan 10, 2015, LobowolfXXX wrote:
They're the most likely team to win, but not really an overlay (or much of one) at that price. If I were going to bet a team to win the Super Bowl now, I'd take the Ravens at 15-1. [/quote]
They look like a determined team to me ... I was impressed! 15 to 1 is a good payday if they win!!!!
Message: Posted by: mastermindreader (Jan 10, 2015 01:54AM)
Yes- that would be the smart money bet. But still likely a losing one. But if you're serious about having the Seahawks at five to one, I'd be happy to bet a hundred on them.

I do think, though, that the Ravens have a good shot at beating New England.
Message: Posted by: LobowolfXXX (Jan 10, 2015 10:04AM)
When I said I have the Sehawks at 5-1, I meant that I bet on them at 5-1.
Message: Posted by: LobowolfXXX (Jan 10, 2015 03:39PM)
Touchdown, Ravens...3 minutes in.
Message: Posted by: Slim King (Jan 10, 2015 03:52PM)
[quote]On Jan 10, 2015, LobowolfXXX wrote:
Touchdown, Ravens...3 minutes in. [/quote]
Has the game started or is that a prediction?????
Message: Posted by: LobowolfXXX (Jan 10, 2015 03:59PM)
Game started. Ravens up two touchdowns in the first quarter.
Message: Posted by: Devious (Jan 10, 2015 04:04PM)
GO RAVENS!!!!
I detest New England...

[img]http://38.media.tumblr.com/5f3a35127960db8e27a7cf4bbf9772c1/tumblr_nebl24arSQ1rfj6pmo1_500.gif[/img]
Message: Posted by: mastermindreader (Jan 10, 2015 04:28PM)
[quote]On Jan 10, 2015, LobowolfXXX wrote:
When I said I have the Sehawks at 5-1, I meant that I bet on them at 5-1. [/quote]

Bummer. I thought you were giving ME those odds! You must have made that bet much earlier in the season. Did you?
Message: Posted by: LobowolfXXX (Jan 10, 2015 04:42PM)
A little earlier...not all that much. Maybe week 16?
Message: Posted by: mastermindreader (Jan 10, 2015 04:46PM)
Sounds like you found a sucker. I think week 16 was Wilson's strongest week of the season. Five to one sounds like the odds at the beginning of the season.
Message: Posted by: LobowolfXXX (Jan 10, 2015 05:00PM)
Casino price. Preseason I think they were about 8-1, but not sure exactly. It might have been week 15, when ey trailed in the division race.
Message: Posted by: LobowolfXXX (Jan 10, 2015 05:02PM)
Meanwhile, the Patriots have tied it up as halftime approaches.
Message: Posted by: Slim King (Jan 10, 2015 05:25PM)
21 to 14 halftime!!! RAVENS!!!
Message: Posted by: LobowolfXXX (Jan 10, 2015 05:41PM)
And now 28...
Message: Posted by: LobowolfXXX (Jan 10, 2015 06:11PM)
And once again, the Pats have erased a 2-touchdown lead and tied it up.
Message: Posted by: LobowolfXXX (Jan 10, 2015 06:43PM)
And after trailing pretty much the entire game, New England takes e lead with five minutes left!
Message: Posted by: Mark Boody Illusionist (Jan 10, 2015 07:21PM)
And the Patriots WIN!!!!!!!
Message: Posted by: LobowolfXXX (Jan 10, 2015 07:35PM)
What a finish!
Message: Posted by: S2000magician (Jan 10, 2015 08:43PM)
[quote]On Jan 10, 2015, LobowolfXXX wrote:
They're the most likely team to win, but not really an overlay (or much of one) at that price. If I were going to bet a team to win the Super Bowl now, I'd take the Ravens at 15-1.[/quote]
How about [b][i]now[/i][/b]?

(In all honesty, if you bet on them now, you should insist on odds longer than 15:1.)
Message: Posted by: magicfish (Jan 10, 2015 09:07PM)
Seattle won't win.
Message: Posted by: Slim King (Jan 10, 2015 11:02PM)
[quote]On Jan 10, 2015, magicfish wrote:
Seattle won't win. [/quote]
Seattle WINS!!!!!! (Tonight)
What was it 17 to 31?????
Great game ... Closer than the point spread.
Message: Posted by: Slim King (Jan 10, 2015 11:05PM)
Who do you think they play next? :sun: :gunfighter: :hamburger: :pop:
Message: Posted by: mastermindreader (Jan 10, 2015 11:08PM)
[quote]On Jan 10, 2015, Slim King wrote:
[quote]On Jan 10, 2015, magicfish wrote:
Seattle won't win. [/quote]
Seattle WINS!!!!!! (Tonight)
What was it 17 to 31?????
Great game ... Closer than the point spread. [/quote]

No. The point spread was 11. Seattle won by 14.

And, magicfish, I don't know what team you've been watching, but Seattle certainly did win and will continue to win. First Super Bowl winner since 2005 to have a playoff victory the following season. Best all around team in the NFL, hands down.
Message: Posted by: Slim King (Jan 12, 2015 12:09PM)
Bob ... I didn't mean the point spread as gamblers talk .. I meant the actual point spread in the game ... It was much closer than that .. just one play basically made the difference. ( Instead of being scored on Seattle intercepted and ran it back for a touchdown ... a 12 point problem/benefit right there depending on which side you are on)

GO HAWKS!!!!
Message: Posted by: Dannydoyle (Jan 12, 2015 12:12PM)
[quote]On Jan 11, 2015, mastermindreader wrote:
[quote]On Jan 10, 2015, Slim King wrote:
[quote]On Jan 10, 2015, magicfish wrote:
Seattle won't win. [/quote]
Seattle WINS!!!!!! (Tonight)
What was it 17 to 31?????
Great game ... Closer than the point spread. [/quote]

No. The point spread was 11. Seattle won by 14.

And, magicfish, I don't know what team you've been watching, but Seattle certainly did win and will continue to win. First Super Bowl winner since 2005 to have a playoff victory the following season. Best all around team in the NFL, hands down. [/quote]

They have a chance to repeat that is for certain.
Message: Posted by: mastermindreader (Jan 12, 2015 01:05PM)
[quote]On Jan 12, 2015, Slim King wrote:
Bob ... I didn't mean the point spread as gamblers talk .. I meant the actual point spread in the game ... It was much closer than that .. just one play basically made the difference. ( Instead of being scored on Seattle intercepted and ran it back for a touchdown ... a 12 point problem/benefit right there depending on which side you are on)

GO HAWKS!!!! [/quote]

Got it. You meant that the game was actually a lot closer than the final score would seem to indicate.

Yes, it was.
Message: Posted by: Slim King (Jan 12, 2015 01:08PM)
It's been a decade since anyone has even come close to repeating... but the Hawks seem to be riding a cosmic wave!!! :pirate:
Message: Posted by: mastermindreader (Jan 12, 2015 01:15PM)
Let's not count our hawklings before they're hatched.

But things are looking good, that's for sure.
Message: Posted by: Devious (Jan 12, 2015 07:39PM)
A Seattle/Dallas rematch would have been HUGE.
Green Bay/Seattle a bit anti-climactic.

GO HAWKS!!!!
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Message: Posted by: magicfish (Jan 12, 2015 09:30PM)
[quote]On Jan 11, 2015, mastermindreader wrote:
[quote]On Jan 10, 2015, Slim King wrote:
[quote]On Jan 10, 2015, magicfish wrote:
Seattle won't win. [/quote]
Seattle WINS!!!!!! (Tonight)
What was it 17 to 31?????
Great game ... Closer than the point spread. [/quote]

No. The point spread was 11. Seattle won by 14.

And, magicfish, I don't know what team you've been watching, but Seattle certainly did win and will continue to win. First Super Bowl winner since 2005 to have a playoff victory the following season. Best all around team in the NFL, hands down. [/quote]

Bob, I thought we were talking about the Superbowl. That's what I was talking about.
Message: Posted by: mastermindreader (Jan 12, 2015 09:51PM)
That wasn't at all clear. All you wrote was "Seattle won't win."

But I think they will.
Message: Posted by: magicfish (Jan 12, 2015 10:59PM)
All due respect, I could not have been clearer.
The OP asked what the odds were of Seattle winning the superbowl. My response was, they won't.
The superbowl is what we were talking about.
So I repeat, Seattle won't win.
Just an opinion. They very well could.
Message: Posted by: RNK (Jan 13, 2015 07:51AM)
If Rodgers was healthy- I think GB could beat Seattle. But in his current condition- I think Seattle will beat GB. I do think New England will beat the Colts and will be a better match up for Seattle. If somehow the Colts win and Seattle wins- I think Seattle will take it. R. Wilson is a machine that's running very efficient right now. Not to mention the tenacity of Seattle's "D". As it stands Seattle is definitely the favorite IMO.
Message: Posted by: Slim King (Jan 13, 2015 08:54AM)
I WANT Seattle to win .. I'll bring out my Pendulum and know for sure in a few days!
Message: Posted by: mastermindreader (Jan 13, 2015 04:50PM)
I thought you used the Thought Dial for Super Bowl predictions.
Message: Posted by: mastermindreader (Jan 13, 2015 04:51PM)
[quote]On Jan 12, 2015, magicfish wrote:
All due respect, I could not have been clearer.
The OP asked what the odds were of Seattle winning the superbowl. My response was, they won't.
The superbowl is what we were talking about.
So I repeat, Seattle won't win.
Just an opinion. They very well could. [/quote]

How is "Seattle won't win" an answer to the question "What are the odds of Seattle winning?"
Message: Posted by: mastermindreader (Jan 13, 2015 04:53PM)
[quote]On Jan 13, 2015, RNK wrote:
If Rodgers was healthy- I think GB could beat Seattle. But in his current condition- I think Seattle will beat GB. I do think New England will beat the Colts and will be a better match up for Seattle. If somehow the Colts win and Seattle wins- I think Seattle will take it. R. Wilson is a machine that's running very efficient right now. Not to mention the tenacity of Seattle's "D". As it stands Seattle is definitely the favorite IMO. [/quote]

Glad to see your opinion of Seattle has improved since last year.
Message: Posted by: LobowolfXXX (Jan 13, 2015 04:58PM)
I'd estimate Seattle is close to 50-50 to win the Super Bowl at this point. Maybe 45%
Message: Posted by: magicfish (Jan 13, 2015 08:56PM)
[quote]On Jan 13, 2015, mastermindreader wrote:
[quote]On Jan 12, 2015, magicfish wrote:
All due respect, I could not have been clearer.
The OP asked what the odds were of Seattle winning the superbowl. My response was, they won't.
The superbowl is what we were talking about.
So I repeat, Seattle won't win.
Just an opinion. They very well could. [/quote]

How is "Seattle won't win" an answer to the question "What are the odds of Seattle winning?" [/quote]
Official odds in Vegas? The odds I give them?
All depends on the bookie I guess.
I cant speak for vegas but I can speak for myself, so I'm gonna say zero.
Message: Posted by: arthur stead (Jan 13, 2015 10:46PM)
Just want to remind you guys that further back in this thread, on Jan. 10 (before the first two play-off games took place), in response to the OP's question of the possibility of Seattle winning a second Superbowl, I predicted that Seattle will win it. Just wanted to be clear about that.
Message: Posted by: magicfish (Jan 13, 2015 11:43PM)
They very well might. Some great football so far. Just having a bit of fun with the odds being zero.
Message: Posted by: RNK (Jan 16, 2015 08:32AM)
[quote]On Jan 13, 2015, mastermindreader wrote:
[quote]On Jan 13, 2015, RNK wrote:
If Rodgers was healthy- I think GB could beat Seattle. But in his current condition- I think Seattle will beat GB. I do think New England will beat the Colts and will be a better match up for Seattle. If somehow the Colts win and Seattle wins- I think Seattle will take it. R. Wilson is a machine that's running very efficient right now. Not to mention the tenacity of Seattle's "D". As it stands Seattle is definitely the favorite IMO. [/quote]

Glad to see your opinion of Seattle has improved since last year. [/quote]

My opinion of Seattle last year was more related to the fact that they have a long way to go to be classified as an "elite" organization. Winning One Superbowl throughout there history does not put them in the category of elite franchises such as San Francisco, Pittsburgh, or Dallas. Now- are they on their way to becoming one? Possibly- but only time will tell.

After watching R. Wilson play I have come to respect him. He is a classy guy and I like to see that as opposed to the nonsense the majority of the players portray.
Message: Posted by: slowkneenuh (Jan 16, 2015 11:24AM)
Surely, with all the mental powers on this thread, somebody besides myself must know the Patriots will win the Superbowl!
Message: Posted by: Kabbalah (Jan 16, 2015 11:48AM)
[img]http://media.giphy.com/media/5xtDarwsm9M9IBJebaE/giphy.gif[/img]
Message: Posted by: LobowolfXXX (Jan 16, 2015 11:53AM)
[quote]On Jan 16, 2015, slowkneenuh wrote:
Surely, with all the mental powers on this thread, somebody besides myself must know the Patriots will win the Superbowl! [/quote]

I haven't gotten that far, but I am 100% certain the Raiders won't.
Message: Posted by: mastermindreader (Jan 16, 2015 01:35PM)
RNK- Lynch, Sherman and Chancellor are EXTREMELY popular players in this town, despite what the rest of the country seems to think. And they're among the best in the game.

Lynch's "press conferences" are becoming legendary. At the last one he answered every question by saying "I'm thankful."
Message: Posted by: RNK (Jan 16, 2015 01:39PM)
[quote]On Jan 16, 2015, mastermindreader wrote:

Lynch's "press conferences" are becoming legendary. At the last one he answered every question by saying "I'm thankful." [/quote]

I have heard this. In fact they were talking about that yesterday local sports talk radio show. Apparently it's spreading......
Message: Posted by: mastermindreader (Jan 16, 2015 01:43PM)
The fact is that Lynch has always been extremely shy about speaking in public. He would rather let others speak for him. But after they fined him repeatedly for not talking to the press, which I believe is extremely unfair because he is hired to PLAY, not talk, he just started giving short canned answers, much to everyone's amusement.
Message: Posted by: Mark Boody Illusionist (Jan 17, 2015 10:56AM)
John

I'm with you, LET'S GO PATRIOTS!!!
Message: Posted by: S2000magician (Jan 18, 2015 02:56PM)
Bob: Seattle's a bit disappointing so far.
Message: Posted by: Dannydoyle (Jan 18, 2015 05:10PM)
Wow. Not over but WOW!

3 point game 1:25 left.

Onside kicks 2 point conversion. Holy cow.

Lesson learned. Never catch an onside kick with your helmet.
Message: Posted by: Dannydoyle (Jan 18, 2015 05:18PM)
Amazing.

Perfectly thrown ball to win.
Message: Posted by: arthur stead (Jan 18, 2015 06:11PM)
WHOOOOOOOO HOOOOOOOOOO!
Message: Posted by: S2000magician (Jan 18, 2015 06:16PM)
Wowzer!
Message: Posted by: mastermindreader (Jan 18, 2015 06:50PM)
Easily one of the best playoff games I've ever seen.

Are there STILL doubters out there?

GO HAWKS!
Message: Posted by: magicfish (Jan 18, 2015 08:12PM)
Congratulations Seahawks fans! They proved me wrong in dramatic fashion. I thought the Packers had them beat. What a great game!
Message: Posted by: LobowolfXXX (Jan 18, 2015 08:19PM)
[quote]On Jan 18, 2015, mastermindreader wrote:
Easily one of the best playoff games I've ever seen.

Are there STILL doubters out there?

GO HAWKS! [/quote]

I don't know about "still," but after watching both games, I'm certainly less confident than I was about Seattle's chances against New England,
Message: Posted by: Michael Baker (Jan 18, 2015 09:07PM)
Congratulations, Bob. You picked it.
Message: Posted by: mastermindreader (Jan 18, 2015 11:14PM)
Michael-

The Packers seriously had me worried. If they'd have won the game they would certainly have been my favorite in the Super Bowl. They are a great team and really played well.

And I give a lot of credit to those Packer fans who had the courage to wear their cheese heads at the game. :eek:

Lobo- The Patriots victory was impressive, but the Colt's defense doesn't even come close to Seattle's, who would have defeated them just as handily.
Message: Posted by: S2000magician (Jan 18, 2015 11:30PM)
Opening point spread is Seattle by 1 or a push.
Message: Posted by: LobowolfXXX (Jan 18, 2015 11:39PM)
Seattle opened as a 2.5 point favorite...heavy immediate action on the Patriots moved the line significantly.
Message: Posted by: S2000magician (Jan 18, 2015 11:40PM)
A 1.5-point move is a lot.
Message: Posted by: Dannydoyle (Jan 19, 2015 12:07AM)
Bob give credit to them wearing those things anywhere!
Message: Posted by: innermind (Jan 19, 2015 12:13AM)
As a Lions fan I must say it is very satisfying to see Green Bay lose in that manner!

The Packers deserve all the misery due them because that's what happens to those who hide listening devices in our cheese!


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David
Message: Posted by: mastermindreader (Jan 19, 2015 12:59AM)
[quote]On Jan 18, 2015, LobowolfXXX wrote:
Seattle opened as a 2.5 point favorite...heavy immediate action on the Patriots moved the line significantly. [/quote]

Opening odds are set by the odds makers and I take them most seriously. After that they simply fluctuate based on betting. Since there are arguably a lot more Patriot fans than Seattle fans (a good part of the country doesn't even pay attention to Pacific Northwest football), I think it's impressive that Seattle isn't already listed as underdogs like they were last year against Denver.
Message: Posted by: LobowolfXXX (Jan 19, 2015 01:09AM)
They take the anticipated betting into account when setting the opening line. I think they underestimated the effect of how bad Seattle looked and how good New England looked. I think we'll see a swing back to Seattle -2 or thereabouts, and it was pick'em at one point. They could get fleeced on a close Seattle victory, paying out to New England +2.5 and Seattle -.5 or so.
Message: Posted by: mastermindreader (Jan 19, 2015 01:28AM)
And, I suggest, the anticipated betting has a lot to do with the factors I mentioned in my last post.

And I think Seattle looked amazingly good in the last quarter, like they always do. If you look back at all of their games you'll find that they always play best in the second half of games and have frequently been behind tied or barely ahead at halftime.
Message: Posted by: Poof-Daddy (Jan 19, 2015 01:29AM)
Was definitely a great game and my team lost but now I have to jump to my sons side and root on the Patriots for the Super Bowl win.

One thing I loved about the game was the "golden shoe bottom" making it soooooo easy to see when he stepped out of bounds at the 9. :-)
Message: Posted by: mastermindreader (Jan 19, 2015 01:30AM)
He wore the golden shoes for good luck. It worked!
Message: Posted by: Poof-Daddy (Jan 19, 2015 01:34AM)
[quote]On Jan 19, 2015, mastermindreader wrote:

And I think Seattle looked amazingly good in the last quarter, like they always do. If you look back at all of their games you'll find that they always play best in the second half of games and have frequently been behind tied or barely ahead at halftime. [/quote]

I felt like Green Bay almost "gave up" in the end. They weren't ahead by near enough to waste a drive trying to run down the clock. They could have at least tried for a FG and clinched the game but they seemed satisfied with running time down. Very bad ideas in last couple games. (Not going for 2 against Dallas).
Message: Posted by: mastermindreader (Jan 19, 2015 02:26AM)
Yes. They also chose to go for a field goal early in the game when they were in perfect position to go for a first down in the red zone, only being about a yard short. Had they failed, Seattle would have had terrible field position.

Very timid play.

And that's one of Seattle's strengths all season- they're never timid.
Message: Posted by: Magic from A to Z (Jan 19, 2015 09:53AM)
Http://www.foxnews.com/sports/2015/01/19/nfl-reportedly-investigating-if-patriots-used-deflated-footballs-in-afc/
Message: Posted by: Dannydoyle (Jan 19, 2015 10:21AM)
I think the game was lost in the first two possessions. Having to settle for field goals killed them in the end.

Still though dude playing with torn hamstring is one tough dude.
Message: Posted by: Mark Boody Illusionist (Jan 19, 2015 06:44PM)
I call it like this: Green Bay played "not to lose", Instead of playing to win!

I can't go against the home team, no matter the points spread...ever!!

Let's go PATRIOTS!!!!
Message: Posted by: RNK (Jan 20, 2015 07:06AM)
The Patriots are very good. Bill B. is a coaching genius (sneaky to!). But after seeing the resilience of the Seahawks in that comeback win- I can't see how they lose. As a Steeler fan- we can't stand the Patriots. If the Pats win that would bring their total to 4 Superbowls, this would be only 2 for the Hawks- so I have to root for the Hawks. Help keep the Steelers the Lone Ranger at 6!!
Message: Posted by: Slim King (Jan 20, 2015 12:08PM)
WOW!!! What a nail biter ... I was at the ECSS and missed the lecture I wanted to see the most, yet I HAD TO STAY TO THE END ... even though they were down by 12 with only 4 minutes to go !!! Best decision of the day!!!
I texted my son MIRACLE COMEBACK with 5 minutes left...Then the CHEESE interception... Then the MIRACLE!!!
Message: Posted by: Devious (Jan 20, 2015 05:36PM)
Epic meltdown...BEAT THE PATS
[img]http://imgick.oregonlive.com/home/olive-media/width620/img/nfl_impact/photo/almost-had-it-bostick-669960b214666310.jpg[/img]
Message: Posted by: JSBLOOM (Jan 20, 2015 07:57PM)
If Rogers was healthy, The PACK would have won.
I am a Patriots fan, but ROGERS is the real deal.
I think most of us could agree the top 3 teams in the NFL all got off to pretty poor starts....
RELAX.....
I was told that the TE that messed up was actually suppose to block not attempt to catch the on side kick.
The only advantage the PATS have is the passing game.
I expect GRONK to be covered by a DB since the colts did well;however, Juliam will get open.
( BTW has anyone seen a better CB that that guy on the colts?)
I have see games when BLOUNT can't be stopped, but they do not stick with it.
HERE IS A SOMETHING TO THINK ABOUT.
3rd down and six,,,,SEATTLE RAN..... How many teams would have done that?
Live by the sword...die by the sword
If New England can stop the run, and that is a big if, they will win.
I also think Collins will play a major role. He is a great at blitzing.
And here is my prediction......
BOTH THESE TEAMS WILL BE BACK NEXT YEAR (UNLESS THERE IS A MAJOR INJURY)
For all you PAT fans out there, can you imagine our D if MAYO could stay healthy!
Message: Posted by: mastermindreader (Jan 20, 2015 08:18PM)
If, if...

If horses were wishes then beggars would ride.

Here's the only "if" that matters: If Seattle scores the most points they will win. :eek:
Message: Posted by: S2000magician (Jan 20, 2015 08:44PM)
[quote]On Jan 20, 2015, mastermindreader wrote:
If horses were wishes then beggars would ride.[/quote]
Pretty sure it's the other way round.

That first part, that is.
Message: Posted by: mastermindreader (Jan 20, 2015 08:51PM)
LOL! You're right. If WISHES were horses then beggars would ride.

You should hear my versions of other proverbs! (Especially after a few more drinks.)
Message: Posted by: TommyJ (Jan 21, 2015 10:33AM)
[quote]On Jan 11, 2015, mastermindreader wrote:
[quote]On Jan 10, 2015, Slim King wrote:
[quote]On Jan 10, 2015, magicfish wrote:
Seattle won't win. [/quote]
Seattle WINS!!!!!! (Tonight)
What was it 17 to 31?????
Great game ... Closer than the point spread. [/quote]

No. The point spread was 11. Seattle won by 14.

And, magicfish, I don't know what team you've been watching, but Seattle certainly did win and will continue to win. First Super Bowl winner since 2005 to have a playoff victory the following season. Best all around team in the NFL, hands down. [/quote]

We'll see :)
Message: Posted by: S2000magician (Jan 21, 2015 10:50AM)
Will Seattle win?

Depends on who inflates the footballs.
Message: Posted by: arthur stead (Jan 21, 2015 11:51AM)
There's only one team rumored to be guilty of that .... But I still predict Seattle will win.
Message: Posted by: Dannydoyle (Jan 21, 2015 11:21PM)
[quote]On Jan 21, 2015, S2000magician wrote:
Will Seattle win?

Depends on who inflates the footballs. [/quote]

I thought this was an odd controversy.

Each team provides their own footballs right?
Message: Posted by: mastermindreader (Jan 21, 2015 11:34PM)
That's the problem. The offense always uses their own balls.

From what I heard on the news tonight, this controversy began in the Colts previous game with the Patriots when a ball intercepted by the Colts felt odd to the intercepting player, who turned it over to his equipment manager. It was under-inflated.

Apparently the Baltimore Ravens also suggested that New England was using under-inflated balls.

Couple this with the "spygate" scandal in the Jets game a few years back and Tom Brady's statement in an old interview that he "liked under-inflated balls," and it doesn't seem that odd at all. Under-inflated balls, I understand, are easier to grip and catch in cold or wet weather. And the earlier incident with the Jets shows that Bellichek isn't above a bit of cheating.

It's hard to believe it was accidental that eleven out the twelve balls provided by the Patriots were found to be under-inflated at half time.
Message: Posted by: balducci (Jan 21, 2015 11:37PM)
I've been wondering how it all works myself. This article has a nice description:

http://www.bostonglobe.com/sports/2015/01/20/nfl-says-patriots-used-under-inflated-footballs/7UlPZI3eotRTBadM89saeO/story.html

At least one official touches the football on every play ...

Per the NFL rulebook, each team provides game officials with 12 footballs before the game, and the balls are required to be inflated between 12.5 and 13.5 pounds per square inch. The referee inspects the game balls 2 hours and 15 minutes before kickoff, places a special marking on each ball that passes inspection, and hands the approved balls to attendants on each team, who are supposed to maintain custody of the balls on each sideline.

Each team uses its own football on offense - a 2013 New York Times article said that each team even has its own logo on the football when on offense - and teams are allowed to slightly doctor the footballs to their preference. "Rubbing up" the football with dirt to make it less slippery is common, and so is slightly adjusting the inflation levels.
Message: Posted by: mastermindreader (Jan 21, 2015 11:41PM)
Balducci-

In the news story I saw on CNN. it was stated that, after pre-game inspection the balls are put into ball bags and given to the equipment manager who then puts the bag on the sideline, where it is basically left unattended, despite the rule book.

Apparently, the difference in feeling isn't all that apparent unless you actually squeeze the ball, something the officials rarely do during the course of the game. (I imagine that will change, though.)
Message: Posted by: Slim King (Jan 22, 2015 12:26AM)
It appears to be cheating to me at this point. Someone deflated the balls ... 11 out of 12 of them. NOT AN ACCIDENT!
It's too late to argue if it's a good or bad rule ... it's a rule! And they intentionally broke it. I'd personally make them forfeit the game. :cuteangel:
Message: Posted by: mastermindreader (Jan 22, 2015 12:40AM)
That's not going to happen. The rules state that this violation can be punished with a $25,000 fine and the loss of a draft choice. Apparently, though, individual fines or suspensions could be imposed on any players or staff directly involved.

But even the Colts have acknowledged that the under-inflated balls had little to do with the loss.

The question is why the Patriots felt the need to cheat in the first place and if this sort of thing has been going on all season.
Message: Posted by: LobowolfXXX (Jan 22, 2015 10:12AM)
Tom Brady...the best cold-weather quarterback in NFL history...hmmmmm
Message: Posted by: magicfish (Jan 22, 2015 03:44PM)
[quote]On Jan 22, 2015, LobowolfXXX wrote:
Tom Brady...the best cold-weather quarterback in NFL history...hmmmmm [/quote]
Brett Favre?
Message: Posted by: magicfish (Jan 22, 2015 05:03PM)
Well, I cant possibly cheer for the Pats so....go HAWKS!!!!!
Message: Posted by: Slim King (Jan 22, 2015 05:14PM)
[quote]On Jan 22, 2015, mastermindreader wrote:
That's not going to happen. The rules state that this violation can be punished with a $25,000 fine and the loss of a draft choice. Apparently, though, individual fines or suspensions could be imposed on any players or staff directly involved.

But even the Colts have acknowledged that the under-inflated balls had little to do with the loss.

The question is why the Patriots felt the need to cheat in the first place and if this sort of thing has been going on all season. [/quote]
There was probably no way of knowing which way this game would go BEFORE they deflated the balls, unless they were good mentalists. So IMHO the result of the game makes no difference since this was done before the game was over. Think, POINT SPREAD and what this would mean to Vegas odds makers????
Message: Posted by: mastermindreader (Jan 22, 2015 05:39PM)
The Colts were beaten so badly in the second half (when the under-inflated balls were out of play) that I seriously doubt that the point spread would have been effected.
Message: Posted by: balducci (Jan 22, 2015 07:29PM)
How hard is it for a QB to deflate a football while he handles it before a play? I mean, I know baseball pitchers can use emery boards to scuff a ball. Would a QB be able to surreptitiously deflate a ball quickly? Like maybe quickly press a thumbtack into a ball to make a little hole for air to escape out of?
Message: Posted by: acesover (Jan 22, 2015 08:07PM)
[quote]On Jan 22, 2015, balducci wrote:
How hard is it for a QB to deflate a football while he handles it before a play? I mean, I know baseball pitchers can use emery boards to scuff a ball. Would a QB be able to surreptitiously deflate a ball quickly? Like maybe quickly press a thumbtack into a ball to make a little hole for air to escape out of? [/quote]

NO.
Message: Posted by: JSBLOOM (Jan 22, 2015 10:17PM)
If you were in charge and there was suspicion that the PATS were doing something sneaky, why not check the balls RIGHT before the game begins.
IMHO, leaving the window of opportunity open was stupid and IT COULD HAVE BEEN PREVENTED this game.
Should have balls been tampered with.
OF COURSE NOT, but the NFL had some "intel" and waited TOO LONG.
BTW, the funniest line I heard to penalize the Patriots was......
LET ELI MANNING PLAY QB for SEATTLE.
Message: Posted by: innermind (Jan 23, 2015 06:01AM)
Can the cold weather have an effect on the performance/reliability of a PSI gauge?

Even if the cold weather can affect the gauge, the suspicious thing is that it was 11 of 12 balls. One might think if it would have been all 12 balls, then an argument could be made for a faulty/poorly calibrated PSI gauge. But since one of the balls was fine, a faulty gauge is most likely not the problem.

The weird thing about the entire situation is that generally, two officials touch the ball on each play! If they couldn't tell the difference by touch during the game, then tough rocks. It's the officials mistake/problem for not noticing any alleged difference in the balls during the game.

If the Colts players felt a difference, then why didn't they tell the officials about it immediately?





David
Message: Posted by: balducci (Jan 24, 2015 09:46AM)
"In light of the ball deflation scandal currently consuming the New England Patriots, football data analyst Warren Sharp looked at the Patriotsí recent fumble statistics and found some startling results."

http://www.slate.com/articles/sports/sports_nut/2015/01/ballghazi_the_new_england_patriots_lose_an_insanely_low_number_of_fumbles.html

http://www.sharpfootballanalysis.com/blog/uncategorized/the-new-england-patriots-prevention-of-fumbles-is-nearly-impossible/
Message: Posted by: Slim King (Jan 24, 2015 07:23PM)
[quote]On Jan 24, 2015, balducci wrote:
"In light of the ball deflation scandal currently consuming the New England Patriots, football data analyst Warren Sharp looked at the Patriotsí recent fumble statistics and found some startling results."

http://www.slate.com/articles/sports/sports_nut/2015/01/ballghazi_the_new_england_patriots_lose_an_insanely_low_number_of_fumbles.html

http://www.sharpfootballanalysis.com/blog/uncategorized/the-new-england-patriots-prevention-of-fumbles-is-nearly-impossible/ [/quote]
The most interesting thing I've read in a long time!!!!
Message: Posted by: mastermindreader (Jan 24, 2015 07:31PM)
[quote]On Jan 23, 2015, innermind wrote:
It's the officials mistake/problem for not noticing any alleged difference in the balls during the game.
[/quote]

So are you saying that cheating is the official's fault if they don't detect it?

And, as has been noted, since the balls supplied by the Colts all met specifications, does that mean that the weather conditions were different on their side of the field?

I think the article on fumble statistics that balducci posted about may go directly to the heart of what's been going on since 2007. The present incident doesn't seem to be a simple one-off.
Message: Posted by: S2000magician (Jan 24, 2015 07:35PM)
[quote]On Jan 24, 2015, mastermindreader wrote:
[quote]On Jan 23, 2015, innermind wrote:
It's the officials mistake/problem for not noticing any alleged difference in the balls during the game.[/quote]
So are you saying that cheating is the official's fault if they don't detect it?[/quote]
Duh.
Message: Posted by: Slim King (Jan 24, 2015 07:38PM)
[quote]On Jan 24, 2015, mastermindreader wrote:
[quote]On Jan 23, 2015, innermind wrote:
It's the officials mistake/problem for not noticing any alleged difference in the balls during the game.
[/quote]

So are you saying that cheating is the official's fault if they don't detect it?

And, as has been noted, since the balls supplied by the Colts all met specifications, does that mean that the weather conditions were different on their side of the field?

I think the article on fumble statistics that balducci posted about may go directly to the heart of what's been going on since 2007. The present incident doesn't seem to be a simple one-off. [/quote]
BOB's logic is right on here ... It wasn't the weather....
Message: Posted by: MaxfieldsMagic (Jan 28, 2015 08:57PM)
Here's how far Pats fans will go to circle the wagons: on some comment boards, they've maintained that the deflation caused by the weather (sigh) resulted in Colts balls achieving regulation pressure, which therefore means that the Colts are the cheaters since they obviously overinflated their balls. Seriously, you can't make this stuff up.

Oh, and the answer to the thread question is "yes." Go Hawks!
Message: Posted by: TommyJ (Jan 30, 2015 07:52AM)
Ok OK, lets stop living in the past here. That was almost two weeks ago :)

Go Patriots!
Message: Posted by: arthur stead (Jan 30, 2015 01:02PM)
Only two more days, Tommy! I wish you the best of luck ... but my prediction is that the Seahawks will win.

On a side note, I had a strange dream last night in which the final score was Seattle 18, New England 15.
Message: Posted by: silvercup (Jan 30, 2015 01:31PM)
I'd be happy if niether team won.
16 hours of tie ball finally decided by a coin flip and the coin disappears, no wait, was judged to be underinflated and therefore bogus like the game itself.
Message: Posted by: JSBLOOM (Feb 7, 2015 08:47AM)
Well, the game was over. Can that guy show the last play was the best one to call?
IMHO, SF was the best team last year, but once they were 5 yards away, GORE never touched the ball and
the last play was a throw to short WR!

A couple key pointers I feel made the difference.
First, benching the CB and putting in Butler.
Second, putting Browner on the tall WR
Getting back to DG:

The only time we can be fairly certain Tom Brady threw with an underinflated ball was the first half of the last game he played. Check the stats. Brady went 11 for 21 (52% completion percentage) for 95 yards, one INT, and one TD in the 1st half. In the 2nd half, Brady had the properly inflated ball and went 12 for 14 (85.7% completion percentage) for 131 yards and two TDs. So if you go with the under inflated ball theory and apply it consistently to fumbling and passing, it just doesn't hold up.

So given Rodgers remarks about over-inflating the ball, which is it inflated or deflated that helps? Because the last 4 years - the Packers even with the back-up QBs, still edge the Patriots, and thus makes this whole argument stupid. And if Rodgers didn't miss the time - they would be "off the charts"
Message: Posted by: mastermindreader (Feb 8, 2015 02:07AM)
The point of the under-inflated ball theory is that the Patriot's fumble rate dropped amazingly since the rule, which was pushed by Brady, was put into place several years ago allowing teams to supply their own balls for offense.

It's easier for a player to hold on tightly to a ball that's under-inflated. It's got nothing to do with passing.

Prior to the rule change in 2006, or thereabouts, the Patriots fumble and turnover rate was about average. AFTER the rule change, they suddenly had the lowest fumble/turnover rate BY FAR in the NFL.

Coincidence?

I think not.

So we may not be talking about a team that cheated in the first half in their last game against the Packers, but about a team that may have been cheating continuously for the past eight years.
Message: Posted by: JSBLOOM (Feb 8, 2015 09:51AM)
And it is not a coincidence that if you do fumble, you get benched.
Perhaps there s/b an analysis on Ridley while in college vs with the PATS.
And in those past 8 years, only one player who got an INT noticed something different?
The other point is if the NFL had "intel", all the refs needed to do is check the balls 5 minutes before
the game started and the integrity of at least that game would not be under scrutiny.
The refs touch the ball every play and Howie Long's son had some interesting points.