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Topic: Mexican Paper Tear by Scott Alexander
Message: Posted by: Sashac (Mar 22, 2015 11:31AM)
Scott is a GENIUS! Anything by him has been worked, tested and improved. Here's his newest thing, not released yet though.

http://scottalexander.bigcartel.com/product/mexican-paper-tear

Scott's handling for the classic Leipzig Cigarette Paper Tear that can play for an intimate parlour setting or for 1000 people on stage. Scott has taken this classic plot and infused it with laugh grabbing jokes and a really funny routine. Plus the method employs a clever diabolical gimmick for super easy handling. Your hands appear as clean as a whistle at all times. No funny moves and no sticky stuff and no complicated reset. It sets up in seconds. Talk about your pack small and play big tricks, this one is the ultimate.

Comes with papers, gimmick and training DVD
Message: Posted by: bowers (Mar 22, 2015 11:35AM)
Would like to see a video of this.
Todd
Message: Posted by: vinsmagic (Mar 22, 2015 01:09PM)
Mee too for 65 bucks its a must see demo
Message: Posted by: Kabbalah (Mar 22, 2015 02:14PM)
$65.00? :lol: :lol: :lol:

Going to have to go to some lengths to beat this...

[youtube]Bi7OdLQAWf0[/youtube]
Message: Posted by: bowers (Mar 22, 2015 02:44PM)
Now that was awesome.
Todd
Message: Posted by: sjrw (Mar 22, 2015 04:51PM)
Stunning
Message: Posted by: MagicMan1957 (Mar 22, 2015 07:48PM)
Another great version...

Martin Lewis UNDIVIDED

https://youtu.be/r9Mb3rF0DDQ
Message: Posted by: dan the man (Mar 22, 2015 07:53PM)
[quote]On Mar 22, 2015, Kabbalah wrote:
$65.00? :lol: :lol: :lol:

Going to have to go to some lengths to beat this...

[youtube]Bi7OdLQAWf0[/youtube] [/quote]
Wow.. amazing!
Message: Posted by: Steve Hook (Mar 23, 2015 12:38AM)
[quote]On Mar 22, 2015, MagicMan1957 wrote:
Another great version...

Martin Lewis UNDIVIDED
[/quote]

Yes, that's a great version, but MagicMan1957, please don't hijack threads. It's considered inappropriate.

This thread is about "Mexican Paper Tear" by Scott Alexander

Thanks.
Message: Posted by: The Baldini (Mar 23, 2015 12:58AM)
I don't think he's hijacking this thread I think he's making a fair comparison.
Message: Posted by: puggo (Mar 23, 2015 04:45AM)
I would guess that there won't be a demo, as there are many easily available method variations, but would think that you are paying for the jokes, the routining etc.
While I find a lot of Scott's products to be expensive, if you get and actually use such a well polished piece of stage magic (e.g. Superfly, BIL etc.), then the value is excellent.
I still use Bill Abbott's 5 card opener. It is the routine structure which makes it worth every penny.

Having said that, I would like to see some reviews..

Charlie
Message: Posted by: jbadman (Mar 23, 2015 09:25AM)
I agree - MagicMan's post was very appropriate; to make a purchase of $65 for a new method, we need to be able to compare with what's available already (and what may already been in books on our shelves).

How DOES this compare with Undivided? What are the pros and cons of the two? How does this compare to the method shown in the video above? Again, what are the respective advantages and disadvantages?
Message: Posted by: latentimage (Apr 5, 2015 05:45AM)
Does anyone know when this is coming out?
Message: Posted by: MaxfieldsMagic (Apr 5, 2015 08:01PM)
Looks clean as a whistle. Very nice.
Message: Posted by: MoonRazor (Apr 6, 2015 08:55AM)
No high jacking……..this is what the Café should be used for, not just advertising a "new" product

[quote]On Mar 23, 2015, Steve Hook wrote:
[quote]On Mar 22, 2015, MagicMan1957 wrote:
Another great version...

Martin Lewis UNDIVIDED
[/quote]

Yes, that's a great version, but MagicMan1957, please don't hijack threads. It's considered inappropriate.

This thread is about "Mexican Paper Tear" by Scott Alexander

Thanks. [/quote]
Message: Posted by: pjpastir (Apr 6, 2015 11:12PM)
Hello Kabbalah,
Beautiful
Whose version, and where could I find this?
Thanks
Paul
Message: Posted by: Axman (Apr 7, 2015 03:07AM)
It's Nate Leipzigs version and can be found in the Dai Vernon Tribute To Nate Leipzig. The performance is By David Ben and was shot for Dai Vernon: The spirit of magic
Message: Posted by: pjpastir (Apr 7, 2015 09:51PM)
Axman,
Thank you so much
Best Regards
Paul
Message: Posted by: latentimage (Apr 16, 2015 11:24PM)
Scott's Mexican Paper Tear is now for sale on his site. Already placed my order, so I will let you guys know what I think when it arrives. Every single thing I've bought of Scott's has been outstanding, so I have high hopes for this one!
Message: Posted by: latentimage (Apr 27, 2015 05:14PM)
I just received this yesterday. Haven't gotten a chance to play around with it too much yet, but I watched the DVD and checked out the gimmick. As always, everything is really well done by Scott. There is no doubt in my mind that this is going to be a worker. The routine itself is really well put together, and I believe that the claim that this can be done for 1,000 people is accurate with the given subtleties. Good stuff!
Message: Posted by: Scott Alexander (Apr 27, 2015 10:07PM)
I welcome comparisons. Each performer has different needs and skill sets and other methods may suit them better. MPT is my answer to what has suited me after studying all the others.
I am glad you find it well put together Allen.

And yes that version of Leipzig's by David Ben is wonderful. Thanks for sharing that.
Message: Posted by: Scott Alexander (Apr 27, 2015 10:56PM)
For those who asked....here is a demo ....minus the jokes and routine stuff.

https://youtu.be/sow4kXFEzVA
Message: Posted by: music (Apr 28, 2015 10:33AM)
Looks nice, but seeing the hand go out of frame makes me say Hey seniors I will wait on a review (said in a Mexican accent).
Message: Posted by: The Baldini (Apr 28, 2015 10:35AM)
I still feel it's a bit pricey for what it is I know the quality of Scott's product are always top-of-the-line but still
Message: Posted by: Scott Alexander (Apr 28, 2015 12:16PM)
Truth...No video topits were used in the making of that video...lol
Message: Posted by: RNK (Apr 28, 2015 12:36PM)
[quote]On Apr 28, 2015, The Baldini wrote:
I still feel it's a bit pricey for what it is I know the quality of Scott's product are always top-of-the-line but still [/quote]

I agree. Scott's stuff and routines are amazing! But sorry, for a little ripped and restored paper tear this is quite pricey.
Message: Posted by: RNK (Apr 28, 2015 06:44PM)
Well. If I think about it more you are getting a full stage routine with it. I don't know. Scott's material is always a lot of fun.
Message: Posted by: tomsk192 (Apr 28, 2015 06:55PM)
This is just lucicrous.

You're paying for his patter, that's it.

The trick is older than some hills, and considerably more accessible tthan others.

Do you want to copy some bloke's script? Go ahead. Good luck on the cruises.
Message: Posted by: pegasus (Apr 29, 2015 02:43PM)
Have to agree. I just want to pay for a trick not the whole bloody act.
Message: Posted by: 1KJ (Apr 30, 2015 12:55PM)
I have this, and I must say, it was completely worth the price. It's not about copying the script, it's not about whether it has been done before.

If you do the paper tear and you have the perfect routine, then don't even bother with this thread.

However, if you don't have the perfect paper tear routine, and would like to, you might want to check this out. As a result of this DVD, I have completely changed my own paper tear routine handling and my patter. I don't use his patter, but his patter inspired me to remember a real life experience I had on a vacation to a Spanish speaking Island many years ago. I have told the story many times, not as part of a magic routine, and it is a hilarious story. It just occurred to me that this story, with a little twist, is the perfect patter for a torn and restored paper routine. Also, I am using his handling and his gimmicks over my old method.

Now, was that worth the price for me? You betcha!

If you think it's too expensive, you're right. If you think it's too cheap, you're right. If you think it will work for you, you're right. If you think it won't, you're right. See that!? No matter what, you're right. Bask in your "rightness".

KJ
Message: Posted by: Markymark (Apr 30, 2015 01:01PM)
$65.00 is nothing to pay for a good script.

Here is one for free!
'Watch me tear the paper in half'
'Now in quarters...a little blow and it's back together again!
Message: Posted by: The Baldini (Apr 30, 2015 03:52PM)
We are always being encouraged by the top working pros, to create our own patter our own material. Scott is brilliant there is no doubt. But why would you want to copy him. Perhaps get some ideas and concepts from him yes.
Message: Posted by: magicinsight (Apr 30, 2015 04:11PM)
I just received it. The "script" contains some funny jokes, but what you are paying for is really the handling and a gimmick or two. Scott's handling is very clean and easy to do. I always used Undivided by Martin Lewis, which is terrific, but it did have some angle issues. What I like about Scott's handling in Mexican Paper Tear is that there are no angle issues and you can cleanly show both sides of your hands clean and empty both prior to and after the restoration which you cannot do with Undivided. I am glad I purchased Scott's handling and certainly recommend it.

Michael
Message: Posted by: latentimage (Apr 30, 2015 05:17PM)
[quote]On Apr 30, 2015, The Baldini wrote:
We are always being encouraged by the top working pros, to create our own patter our own material. Scott is brilliant there is no doubt. But why would you want to copy him. Perhaps get some ideas and concepts from him yes. [/quote]

I do a whole bunch of Scott's material, and I use only ONE of his lines from any of those effects. It's just once sentence, but it's pretty funny and fits my style. I don't present any of his, or anyone else's effects using any of the provided scripts, but that's just because they don't fit my personality. I can understand how a fully polished routine would be valuable to someone who has no desire to sit down and write or develop their own persona, and I guess that's ok too. It's the same thing for me with the MPT. I knew going in that I would have no interest in replicating the patter that was going to be provided here, but to see Scott's handling and have him explain and walk me through his method were exactly what I was paying for.

As far as the cost being too high, here's how I look at that. Personally, there are a ton of things that I avoid performing because they are priced too low and are too easily accessible by people with only a passing interest in magic or the low budget performers in my area. Not being afraid to invest in your act is what's going to be one of the things that set you apart from the other performers. I'm just fine with most people believing that 75.00 is too much for this since it means less people doing what I'm doing. This is kind of a bad example because 75.00 really isn't a ton of money in the grand scheme of things, but think more like paying around 300.00 to perform Shattered or 800.00 or whatever it is now to perform Velocity. Sure, a lot of Scott's items are priced pretty high, but I think he does this not only to make some money for his time (and because he's giving people permission to do some of the coolest stuff in his act), but also because he wants to keep it primarily in the hands of the pros, and not the average hobbyist with just a passing interest. I could be wrong about this, but that's just my guess.
Message: Posted by: 1KJ (May 1, 2015 03:08PM)
[quote]On Apr 30, 2015, Markymark wrote:
$65.00 is nothing to pay for a good script.

Here is one for free!
'Watch me tear the paper in half'
'Now in quarters...a little blow and it's back together again! [/quote]

Classic example of you get what you pay for.

I'm sure you were joking, but for those who thought this was serious, possibly the lowest form of patter is to narrate your moves.

Here is another for free:

"...."

KJ
Message: Posted by: Scott Alexander (May 3, 2015 11:52PM)
It is nice to hear that some folks really get what I am trying to do with the things I release. Of course you shouldn't do my whole script. But if you can get one idea or one nugget or one move, or tidbit that you will use for the rest of your career, then 65 bucks is a bargain.
Message: Posted by: tomsk192 (May 4, 2015 12:47PM)
[quote]On Apr 30, 2015, The Baldini wrote:
We are always being encouraged by the top working pros, to create our own patter our own material. Scott is brilliant there is no doubt. But why would you want to copy him. Perhaps get some ideas and concepts from him yes. [/quote]

Whit Haydn is a working pro, and a great magical [i]thinker[/i], who advocates sticking with a tried and tested script until you have thoroughly learned the routine, before messing about with it. An unfashionable view, perhaps, but they do say that youth is wasted on the young.

Nothing wrong with investing in Scott's professional expertise. But the paper tear itself doesn't blow me away: I guess that's not really the selling point.
Message: Posted by: Scott Alexander (May 4, 2015 01:18PM)
Of course no one should outright copy anyone exactly..it won't work. Routine and presentation aside, I do think this approach to the load and ditch was worth putting out there as an alternative option some might not have considered.
Message: Posted by: Red Neck Magician (May 5, 2015 03:30PM)
Quick question can any type of paper be used for this effect? Or is cigarette paper the only paper that can be used? Thanks
Message: Posted by: latentimage (May 5, 2015 05:24PM)
[quote]On May 5, 2015, Red Neck Magician wrote:
Quick question can any type of paper be used for this effect? Or is cigarette paper the only paper that can be used? Thanks [/quote]

Yes, I don't see why you couldn't use something like tissue paper to do this effect, as long as you cut it into the size of cigarette paper. I don't know how well it would handle, but it could be done. I was considering removing all the paper from the holder and bringing it out as just a stack of cut papers. This would eliminate the weird element of carrying around rolling papers, which in no way fits my style or personality.

Good luck!
Message: Posted by: Scott Alexander (May 5, 2015 09:15PM)
You can use a little bit bigger paper. I would say you could get away with twice the size of a cig paper.
Message: Posted by: Martin Adams (May 6, 2015 09:32AM)
Hi Guys,

Just wanted to let you know that Mexican Tear Paper comes with free fedex express shipping at: http://mystiquefactory.com/products/mexican-paper-tear-by-scott-alexander-free-shipping

Best,
Martin
Message: Posted by: Red Neck Magician (May 6, 2015 09:58AM)
Thanks for all of the help.
Message: Posted by: Jared (May 9, 2015 11:22AM)
Money well spent...Scott brings some great thinking to the plot allowing the performer to end squeaky clean before the reveal. While the patter is nice it's secondary to his improved mechanics and routining over the original Nate Leipzig version.
Message: Posted by: Scott Alexander (May 11, 2015 01:14PM)
Thanks Jared....glad you liked it!!
Message: Posted by: Sashac (May 18, 2015 11:12AM)
I have this and it is indeed good. Unfortunately, I didn't find too much value in this as it's almost identical to another effect taught at a lecture I attended (credited and the "patter" didn't suit me personally (it isn't about the patter either).

However, it does not mean it's not good, because it is. I think people will enjoy this. Also, the little modification to the gimmick (which by the way, is not something simple like a folded piece of paper or anything, there's more to it) was not necessary but I definitely think useful whenever travelling with this and for an economy of movement. All in all, it's good/very good, but I didn't find value in it simply because I've been performing something almost identical for a while.
Message: Posted by: Kaliix (May 19, 2015 09:17PM)
Does this effect require special size papers ala the double wide club cabaret papers needed for Undivided?
Message: Posted by: Scott Alexander (May 20, 2015 04:21PM)
You can use any size but I like the EZ Wider 1 1/2 size.
Message: Posted by: roblane (May 24, 2015 04:07AM)
I received this yesterday from Saturn magic in the UK and I'm very impressed. So clean, and unlike other 'in the performers hands' routines, your so far ahead when you give the spec the pieces to hold it's almost unfair! Scotts teaching is excellent too. I can understand why some might baulk at £50 for a paper tear, but this is money well spent. Thanks Scott.

Rob
Message: Posted by: Russell Davidson (Aug 13, 2015 11:32AM)
Would like to see another shot of Scott's version as the one he's posted doesn't look as clean as either Vernon or Lewis. There's a moment when everything goes out of view which doesn't seem to happen with the other two.
Message: Posted by: MaxfieldsMagic (Feb 2, 2017 03:48PM)
[quote]On Apr 30, 2015, The Baldini wrote:
Scott is brilliant there is no doubt. But why would you want to copy him. [/quote]

I'd only copy him if his presentation was better than the crap I usually come up with. So I'll probably copy him and sleep like a baby. Call the magic police.
Message: Posted by: Neznarf (Feb 3, 2017 10:21AM)
This is $39.95 on Hocus-Pocus,

So if you are waiting to buy this
Pull the Trigger
Message: Posted by: catweazle (Feb 3, 2017 10:38AM)
You can get for 29.95 including a bunch of other effects in the Penguin live holiday special.
Scott Alexander and Dan Harlan Holiday Special 4

http://www.penguinmagic.com/p/7643
Message: Posted by: magicnorm (Feb 3, 2017 09:45PM)
[quote]On May 18, 2015, Sashac wrote:
I have this and it is indeed good. Unfortunately, I didn't find too much value in this as it's almost identical to another effect taught at a lecture I attended (credited and the "patter" didn't suit me personally (it isn't about the patter either).

However, it does not mean it's not good, because it is. I think people will enjoy this. Also, the little modification to the gimmick (which by the way, is not something simple like a folded piece of paper or anything, there's more to it) was not necessary but I definitely think useful whenever travelling with this and for an economy of movement. All in all, it's good/very good, but I didn't find value in it simply because I've been performing something almost identical for a while. [/quote]


Good, but not to much value? It is good but the modification not necessary, but useful ? Good , very Good but again no value in it ? Wholly Molly WTF!