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Message: Posted by: tommy (May 18, 2015 03:40AM)
Http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-32776280

A war zone eh.
Message: Posted by: ClintonMagus (May 18, 2015 08:53AM)
My daughter and I were in the Kohl's just across the parking lot from here on Saturday. We drove by it Sunday morning on the way out of town. This is scary, but I am glad that no patrons were killed.
Message: Posted by: tommy (May 18, 2015 09:25AM)
Lets hope they make the peace.
Message: Posted by: Dougini (May 18, 2015 01:19PM)
Man! I don't know how, but the OP was marked "liked" by me somehow. This is a tragedy. And just because a guy owns a Harley, does NOT make him a thug or "biker"! Some guys (like me) just love a Harley! I could never afford one though...

Doug
Message: Posted by: Tom Jorgenson (May 18, 2015 02:25PM)
Opportunity strikes. There's an upside: 190 arrested on rock solid felonies. And I'd bet they've confiscated the bikes as items used in the commission of a felony. That'll take the steam out of some of the gangs.

Isn't Texas an Open Carry state? What could go wrong?
Message: Posted by: lunatik (May 18, 2015 02:37PM)
Tom, how many Outlaw motorcycle gangs or any gangs for that matter 'open carry'? I bet less than 1%
Message: Posted by: mastermindreader (May 18, 2015 05:43PM)
Where's all the outcry about the "white on white" crime that is so prevalent? What causes it- poverty? Single parent households? Or is it just something inherent to the race itself?

[quote]In 2013, whites led all other groups in aggravated assault, larceny-theft, arson, weapons-carrying, and vandalism. When it comes to sexual assault, whites take the forcible rape cake. They are also more likely to kill children, the elderly, family members, their significant others, and even themselves! They commit more sex-related crimes, gang related crimes, and are more likely to kill at their places of employment. In 2013, an estimated 10,076 people died in the U.S. due to drunk driving crashes. Driving while drunk is almost exclusively a white crime because everyone knows black people prefer to drink on their porches or inside their homes.

So why is white on white crime so prevalent, one may ask? Is it the music they listen to? Is it the white divorce rate, resulting in more white children coming from broken homes? Perhaps it's the TV shows they watch or the violent sports they play. More than likely, it is a combination of all of those things, with the exact root cause unclear. What is clear, though, is that not enough people are talking about the crime plaguing the white community. We need to spread the word, holding protests and demonstrations that call attention to this growing matter. Because, after all -- white lives matter, too.[/quote]

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/kerry-coddett/white-on-white-crime-an-u_b_6771878.html
Message: Posted by: acesover (May 18, 2015 05:45PM)
[quote]On May 18, 2015, lunatik wrote:
Tom, how many Outlaw motorcycle gangs or any gangs for that matter 'open carry'? I bet less than 1% [/quote]


Probably very few can legally carry anyway. Which of course does not stop them from doing so. Many will have felony and drug convictions and usually this would prevent even owning a firearm much less carrying it in any way. Which brings us back to the faulty concept of passing more laws making it difficult for a law abiding individual to legally carry.. Because law abiding citizens obey the law, whereas bad guys do not obey the law...that is why they are bad guys. :)
Message: Posted by: rockwall (May 18, 2015 06:07PM)
[quote]On May 18, 2015, mastermindreader wrote:
Where's all the outcry about the "white on white" crime that is so prevalent? What causes it- poverty? Single parent households? Or is it just something inherent to the race itself?

[quote]In 2013, whites led all other groups in aggravated assault, larceny-theft, arson, weapons-carrying, and vandalism. When it comes to sexual assault, whites take the forcible rape cake. They are also more likely to kill children, the elderly, family members, their significant others, and even themselves! They commit more sex-related crimes, gang related crimes, and are more likely to kill at their places of employment. In 2013, an estimated 10,076 people died in the U.S. due to drunk driving crashes. Driving while drunk is almost exclusively a white crime because everyone knows black people prefer to drink on their porches or inside their homes.

So why is white on white crime so prevalent, one may ask? Is it the music they listen to? Is it the white divorce rate, resulting in more white children coming from broken homes? Perhaps it's the TV shows they watch or the violent sports they play. More than likely, it is a combination of all of those things, with the exact root cause unclear. What is clear, though, is that not enough people are talking about the crime plaguing the white community. We need to spread the word, holding protests and demonstrations that call attention to this growing matter. Because, after all -- white lives matter, too.[/quote]

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/kerry-coddett/white-on-white-crime-an-u_b_6771878.html [/quote]

This will definitely be in the running for stupidest post of the year and not surprising on who posted it.

You do realize, don't you Bob, that the article you linked studiously avoids mentioning 'per capita' results, right? It's hardly surprising that when the White population outnumbers the Black population approximately 72% to 12%, that more crimes are committed in total by the white population.
Message: Posted by: Kabbalah (May 18, 2015 07:00PM)
[quote]On May 18, 2015, rockwall wrote:

This will definitely be in the running for stupidest post of the year and not surprising on who posted it.

[/quote]

Indeed!

[b]Murder[/b]: Blacks, at 13% of the population, commit 49.4% of murders. [b]The FBI's latest compiled yearly numbers states that whites committed 4,101 murders compared to blacks committing 4,203 murders[/b].

[b]Rape[/b]: Blacks, 13% of the population, committed 32.5% of rapes.

[b]Robbery[/b]: Blacks, 13% of the population, committed 54.9% of robberies.

[b]Aggravated Assault[/b]: Blacks, 13% of the population, committed 34.1% of aggravated assault.

[url=http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2012/crime-in-the-u.s.-2012/tables/43tabledatadecoverviewpdf]FBI - Crime in America 2012[/url]

Now, a little extrapolation...

Half of the 13% are females so we are down to 6.5%

Roughly 2/3 of the 6.5% are either young children, say under 10 or 11 and over 40.

So, what you have are a subset of the black male population of about 2.5% of the total population of the United States that are responsible for the overwhelming majority of crimes in the United States.

How are you going to spin that, Bob?

And, who the hell is Kerry Coddett?
Message: Posted by: tommy (May 18, 2015 07:17PM)
Call me stupid but what this has to do with race I don't know.
Message: Posted by: Kabbalah (May 18, 2015 07:25PM)
[quote]On May 18, 2015, tommy wrote:
Call me stupid but what this has to do with race I don't know. [/quote]

I agree.

Ask mastermindreader.
Message: Posted by: tommy (May 18, 2015 07:54PM)
Bob. Why am I stupid?
Message: Posted by: Dannydoyle (May 18, 2015 08:03PM)
Interesting turn.
Message: Posted by: magicfish (May 18, 2015 08:22PM)
[quote]On May 18, 2015, mastermindreader wrote:
Where's all the outcry about the "white on white" crime that is so prevalent? What causes it- poverty? Single parent households? Or is it just something inherent to the race itself?

[quote]In 2013, whites led all other groups in aggravated assault, larceny-theft, arson, weapons-carrying, and vandalism. When it comes to sexual assault, whites take the forcible rape cake. They are also more likely to kill children, the elderly, family members, their significant others, and even themselves! They commit more sex-related crimes, gang related crimes, and are more likely to kill at their places of employment. In 2013, an estimated 10,076 people died in the U.S. due to drunk driving crashes. Driving while drunk is almost exclusively a white crime because everyone knows black people prefer to drink on their porches or inside their homes.

So why is white on white crime so prevalent, one may ask? Is it the music they listen to? Is it the white divorce rate, resulting in more white children coming from broken homes? Perhaps it's the TV shows they watch or the violent sports they play. More than likely, it is a combination of all of those things, with the exact root cause unclear. What is clear, though, is that not enough people are talking about the crime plaguing the white community. We need to spread the word, holding protests and demonstrations that call attention to this growing matter. Because, after all -- white lives matter, too.[/quote]

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/kerry-coddett/white-on-white-crime-an-u_b_6771878.html [/quote]
Same reason Golden Retrievers are responsible for the most attacks on humans.
Message: Posted by: lynnef (May 18, 2015 08:40PM)
Although we're conditioned to think of biker gangs as white; some photos of Bandidos appear to show a number of Latino fellows in their ranks. So the topic is not really about race, quite true. Crime statistics (based on arrests) alone don't answer the complexity of WHY people commit crimes, no matter their color. However, Michelle Alexander in her book, The New Jim Crow, did do a lot of research in the disparity of treatment of blacks and whites at the hands of authorities in racial profiling, arrests and overall incarceration. As an ACLU lawyer, she was skeptical at first of the claims that Black people were being subject to a "new Jim Crow", but her research told her otherwise. I think we all need to be careful when it comes to throwing out statistics to 'prove' a belief, when it requires digging deeper. (I've committed this sin a few times myself, also known as "political truth"). Lynn
Message: Posted by: tommy (May 18, 2015 08:59PM)
I only thing I thought was that these guys, they all look like old men.
Message: Posted by: rockwall (May 18, 2015 09:07PM)
[quote]On May 18, 2015, lynnef wrote:
Although we're conditioned to think of biker gangs as white; some photos of Bandidos appear to show a number of Latino fellows in their ranks. ... [/quote]

Well, they ARE called the Bandidos! LOL Bob would probably call them a bunch of white hispanics.
Message: Posted by: tommy (May 18, 2015 09:26PM)
The Cossack's, are they white or red Russians?
Message: Posted by: ed rhodes (May 18, 2015 09:32PM)
[quote]On May 18, 2015, Dougini wrote:
Man! I don't know how, but the OP was marked "liked" by me somehow. This is a tragedy. And just because a guy owns a Harley, does NOT make him a thug or "biker"! Some guys (like me) just love a Harley! I could never afford one though...

Doug [/quote]

The guy who works in the pet department, helping people scoop fish out of the tank, rides a Harley. And he is neither a thug or a biker.
Message: Posted by: acesover (May 18, 2015 09:40PM)
[quote]On May 18, 2015, rockwall wrote:
[quote]On May 18, 2015, mastermindreader wrote:
Where's all the outcry about the "white on white" crime that is so prevalent? What causes it- poverty? Single parent households? Or is it just something inherent to the race itself?

[quote]In 2013, whites led all other groups in aggravated assault, larceny-theft, arson, weapons-carrying, and vandalism. When it comes to sexual assault, whites take the forcible rape cake. They are also more likely to kill children, the elderly, family members, their significant others, and even themselves! They commit more sex-related crimes, gang related crimes, and are more likely to kill at their places of employment. In 2013, an estimated 10,076 people died in the U.S. due to drunk driving crashes. Driving while drunk is almost exclusively a white crime because everyone knows black people prefer to drink on their porches or inside their homes.

So why is white on white crime so prevalent, one may ask? Is it the music they listen to? Is it the white divorce rate, resulting in more white children coming from broken homes? Perhaps it's the TV shows they watch or the violent sports they play. More than likely, it is a combination of all of those things, with the exact root cause unclear. What is clear, though, is that not enough people are talking about the crime plaguing the white community. We need to spread the word, holding protests and demonstrations that call attention to this growing matter. Because, after all -- white lives matter, too.[/quote]

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/kerry-coddett/white-on-white-crime-an-u_b_6771878.html [/quote]

This will definitely be in the running for stupidest post of the year and not surprising on who posted it.

You do realize, don't you Bob, that the article you linked studiously avoids mentioning 'per capita' results, right? It's hardly surprising that when the White population outnumbers the Black population approximately 72% to 12%, that more crimes are committed in total by the white population. [/quote]

BOB WINS EVERY YEAR. :)
Message: Posted by: tommy (May 18, 2015 09:45PM)
Has he ever run anyone over while ridding around he pet department helping people scoop fish out of the tank on his Harley?
Message: Posted by: acesover (May 18, 2015 09:46PM)
[quote]On May 18, 2015, ed rhodes wrote:
[quote]On May 18, 2015, Dougini wrote:
Man! I don't know how, but the OP was marked "liked" by me somehow. This is a tragedy. And just because a guy owns a Harley, does NOT make him a thug or "biker"! Some guys (like me) just love a Harley! I could never afford one though...

Doug [/quote]

The guy who works in the pet department, helping people scoop fish out of the tank, rides a Harley. And he is neither a thug or a biker. [/quote]


I am somewhat confused here. He owns a Harley but he is not a Biker? Yea that is a question. Just what is a "biker."
Message: Posted by: lynnef (May 19, 2015 11:37AM)
[quote]On May 18, 2015, rockwall wrote:
[quote]On May 18, 2015, lynnef wrote:
Although we're conditioned to think of biker gangs as white; some photos of Bandidos appear to show a number of Latino fellows in their ranks. ... [/quote]

Well, they ARE called the Bandidos! LOL Bob would probably call them a bunch of white hispanics. [/quote]

Actually, the Bandidos' founder is a man named Donald Eugene Chambers; but to be fair, I don't really know his race! The photos I saw had both Latinos and whites! I didn't assume initially that the Bandidos were Latino by their name only. After all, the Atlanta Braves are not all Native American. But to stick to the topic, this issue is about outlaw gangs and not race anyway! Lynn
Message: Posted by: mastermindreader (May 19, 2015 11:51AM)
It's really hysterical to see how many so-called "entertainers" here fail to recognize satire. It's your clueless responses to my post, rockwall and acesover, that truly qualify for the dimmest post I've ever seen.

But that's hardly surprising.
Message: Posted by: rockwall (May 19, 2015 12:26PM)
Satire is often used to attempt to make a larger point, which you were obviously doing.
Message: Posted by: tommy (May 19, 2015 12:33PM)
One would think these two were members of rival biker clubs. :cool:
Message: Posted by: mastermindreader (May 19, 2015 01:02PM)
[quote]On May 19, 2015, rockwall wrote:
Satire is often used to attempt to make a larger point, which you were obviously doing. [/quote]

Glad to see you finally figured that out. Too bad you missed the larger point completely.
Message: Posted by: Dougini (May 19, 2015 02:18PM)
[quote]On May 18, 2015, ed rhodes wrote:
The guy who works in the pet department, helping people scoop fish out of the tank, rides a Harley. And he is neither a thug or a biker. [/quote]

My point exactly. He does present an "image" when he is sitting on his bike. Immediately, "biker" comes to mind. I've seen it all too often. I used to ride with a group of Harley-owners. None if them thugs or criminals. I could write a small book! A "biker" is a motorcycle rider. It is a term used to describe a Hell's Angels-type. Not a fair description. But one assumed many times, nonetheless.

Doug
Message: Posted by: acesover (May 19, 2015 03:55PM)
[quote]On May 19, 2015, mastermindreader wrote:
It's really hysterical to see how many so-called "entertainers" here fail to recognize satire. It's your clueless responses to my post, rockwall and acesover, that truly qualify for the dimmest post I've ever seen.

But that's hardly surprising. [/quote]

Stop being so modest. You will win again this year. How could you lose? Most of your posts qualify. :) So just by sheer numbers you have everyone beat. :)
Message: Posted by: rockwall (May 19, 2015 04:16PM)
[quote]On May 19, 2015, mastermindreader wrote:
[quote]On May 19, 2015, rockwall wrote:
Satire is often used to attempt to make a larger point, which you were obviously doing. [/quote]

Glad to see you finally figured that out. Too bad you missed the larger point completely. [/quote]

Well, I actually think I GOT the larger point you were trying to make but I'll admit, it's possible I was wrong. (Not likely, but possible.) I assume it was the same larger point that the HP writer was making. But go ahead, enlighten me, what WAS the larger point you were trying to make?