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Topic: Response to my fee from a referral
Message: Posted by: Mike ODonnell (Sep 10, 2015 10:06AM)
"Whoa! Had no idea anyone would charge that much for an hour for ANYTHING.
The card tricks were entertaining, but I wouldnt pay that price if Jesus Christ was the performer.
Best of luck to you"

Found this to be humorous.

Mike
Message: Posted by: Mindpro (Sep 10, 2015 10:48AM)
Who/how was this referred from?

While this happens to all of us, it can be more common with closeup guys or smaller less perceived (production) type of performances. All you can do is see the humor and be proud you are near the same plane as JC.
Message: Posted by: Mike ODonnell (Sep 10, 2015 11:42AM)
Hi Mindpro,

It was a referral from a 50th bday strolling gig. The inquiry was for an Xmas family party (mid Dec ), which is prime time for corporate events.
Message: Posted by: Mindpro (Sep 10, 2015 11:57AM)
Ah, so it was not a referral from another performer or a previous client, but rather someone attending an event you performed at? I don't consider those a referral, hence my asking. Thanks for the info.
Message: Posted by: BrianMillerMagic (Sep 10, 2015 12:41PM)
One time a lady approached after seeing my show at a private event. She was raving and ranting about how incredible it was, and told me that she's the special event coordinator for her workplace. What would it cost to bring me in? I gave her my price, and she immediately became viscerally offended. She started arguing with me that "No one makes that amount per hour. My husband is a neurosurgeon and he doesn't make that an hour!" I calmly explained that my calendar was full, and those are my rates. She said, "Last year the magician only cost $75!!!" I said, "Then why don't you call him again?" And she said, "Well, he wasn't very good." I thought oh, imagine that.
Message: Posted by: Dannydoyle (Sep 10, 2015 01:13PM)
[quote]On Sep 10, 2015, Mike ODonnell wrote:
"Whoa! Had no idea anyone would charge that much for an hour for ANYTHING.
The card tricks were entertaining, but I wouldnt pay that price if Jesus Christ was the performer.
Best of luck to you"

Found this to be humorous.

Mike [/quote]

To be fair Jesus only had like 4 tricks. And one is a 3 day build for the payoff.
Message: Posted by: Mike ODonnell (Sep 10, 2015 01:39PM)
Mindpro,

You are correct about the referral, I had another email request from a referral and got the two mixed up. It was a lady that saw me perform at the event.
Message: Posted by: Bairefoot (Sep 10, 2015 03:22PM)
One time at the end of one my shows.(Standing ovation) very rare. A lady came up that was wearing a Rolex and dressed very classy. I told here my price she said ,"My husband a contractor and doesn't make that much per hour and he has a lot invested in all his equipment. I do to I said. She said all you have is a briefcase there. She said I would never pay that much. Then I said I am just trying to get another Rolex like you. And all of her friends just started laughing her. By the way I got two bookings from her friends.

Bairefoot
Message: Posted by: Nash (Sep 14, 2015 06:47AM)
Man I hope you got the gig from that skeptical buyer.
But realistically, we can all relate. How many of us thought professional athletes get paid WWWWAAAAYYYY too much to bounce a ball? :)
Message: Posted by: Dannydoyle (Sep 14, 2015 07:17AM)
Yea I never get into a back and forth about fee. Once you do the sale is probably lost anyhow.
Message: Posted by: Bill Hegbli (Sep 14, 2015 10:44PM)
Just say you are not an hourly employee.
Message: Posted by: Mindpro (Sep 14, 2015 10:53PM)
[quote]On Sep 14, 2015, Nash wrote:
Man I hope you got the gig from that skeptical buyer.
[/quote]

That's one perspective, but I have found that more than likely if he did get this gig it would be a problematic booking with a difficult, hard to please client with unrealistic expectations and demands that may result in performance and perhaps even payment issues. I say take it as a sign to turn the other way for your own good.
Message: Posted by: Mike ODonnell (Sep 14, 2015 11:11PM)
This was my response:
"Hi Margaret,

I'm sorry that my fee is out of your budget. This is my going rate and I keep a steady stream of bookings. Not sure what you were expecting.

Cheers,

Mike O'Donnell"

And no response, which I expected.
Message: Posted by: Gerry Walkowski (Sep 15, 2015 03:34AM)
There's an old line from an old joke that goes something like this.

A lady calls a plumber to fix a leaky pipe. The guy arrives, takes a look at some pipes, and turns a knob that stops that leak. The plumber says, "All fixed, that will be $150.

The lady says, "$150 dollars! You were only here for 2 minutes and you're charging me $150! My husband is a doctor and he doesn't make that kind of money."

The plumber replies," I know, I used to be a doctor."

Gerry
Message: Posted by: saysold1 (Sep 18, 2015 11:23PM)
I can tell almost immediately now on the phone or by the email or lead description - whether they can afford my fee or not. I'm usually right.

If there is any hesitation I would rather not do the gig in most cases - I won't beg for business and I also don't want someone who is stretching either.
Message: Posted by: eatonmagic (Sep 21, 2015 08:34AM)
The ones that crack me up the most are those who asked what your fee is,you give it to them and they say, "Terrific! I'll let you know." And of course you never hear back lol.
Message: Posted by: Jerskin (Sep 25, 2015 03:42PM)
Friend of mine was working the Magic Castle and a woman asked him to do a kids party. He told her he didn't do kids parties.
She said "Not even for $35?"
Message: Posted by: itsmagic (Sep 25, 2015 06:56PM)
Haha..I'm laughing out loud reading these stories. More please.

Had a lady request a 1 hour show for a birthday and to keep the budget to $100.
Message: Posted by: jakeg (Sep 27, 2015 06:06PM)
I particularly like the people that tell you that if you do their party, a lot of her friends will hire you. "They do anything that I tell them to,"
Message: Posted by: saysold1 (Oct 3, 2015 10:42AM)
People that want to hire you at a lower than regular fee and make promises as to all the people at their event that will want to hire you ... Are usually wrong.

Birds of a feather :-)
Message: Posted by: Paul Budd (Nov 4, 2015 02:03PM)
I have a (very busy) working magician friend........he works about 35 weeks per year all over a 3-state area.....not drowning in $$, but certainly paying the bills. He's often heard, when asked to perform for free, "Hey, it'll be great exposure for you." To which he whimsically replies: People die from exposure every day! I just love that one! :applause: :applause:
Message: Posted by: Dannydoyle (Nov 4, 2015 02:44PM)
I always reference the Donner Party when anyone mentions exposure.
Message: Posted by: Dorian Rhodell (Nov 7, 2015 09:52PM)
Bob Kohler and I were having a discussion about this a few years back. He told me a story about Bob Sheets (I think). The gist of the story was this;

Caller: "Hi I'm looking for a magician for my kids birthday for about an hour. How much do you charge?"
Bob: "I don't do kid shows but I can find you someone who does"
Caller: "But I heard you were really good. Can you at least give me an idea of what you would charge?"
Bob: "$1,000"
Caller: "$1,000? That's more than my doctor charges!"
Bob: "Get a better doctor!"

Click...
Message: Posted by: Gerry Hennessey (Nov 8, 2015 11:36AM)
When asked about my fee, I remind them that it is a "performance fee" not an hourly rate.
Message: Posted by: Dannydoyle (Nov 8, 2015 12:04PM)
Once you are to the point if justifying your fee you have lost any real position in a negotiation.

By the time you get to price all that should be put out there already.

I never justify a fee. It is what it is. It is not my function to make sure you can afford it.
Message: Posted by: Dorian Rhodell (Nov 8, 2015 10:36PM)
I'm pretty sure the idea here was to price himself out of range so she would be forced to go somewhere else.
The Santa Rosa, CA area doesn't generally spend that kind of money on magicians. Which is why I work in the southern bay and silicone valley area.
Message: Posted by: Paul Cummings (Nov 10, 2015 10:41PM)
Once had a lady called and said a magician had cancelled on her. She argued at my fee because it was twice as much as the other guy (It was the going rate around town tho). She would not let it go and over and over kept telling me how much cheaper the other guy was. In the end I just said, "Yes, but he's not turning up. I can charge that much when I don't turn up"
Message: Posted by: BK_Magician (Nov 15, 2015 12:04AM)
What people need to understand is that magic is a skill we take a lot of time building. No one who hires me would ever feel comfortable approaching a group they are not introduced to and by the end leave them entertained and speechless. Really, this takes years. Magic is only one part of it. They pay us because we bring them something they can't.

When you tell them what your price is and they say "wow" just say "Yep that's what your guests will say.
Message: Posted by: Dannydoyle (Nov 15, 2015 01:07PM)
Why do they need to understand that exactly?

It is shocking to me what magicians think I'd important.

I don't know why more people don't take small business courses to learn how to actually run a business. Not some crap from a magic convention or the latest system but university level courses. It would help most tremendously.
Message: Posted by: jakeg (Nov 15, 2015 04:10PM)
If the public doesn't understand what it takes to present a polished and entertaining act, we can only blame ourselves . I can honestly say that I have seen many more inept paid magicians than just about any professional field of entertainer,
. We read posts on the Café all the time that say something like; I have a show in a month. I never did this type of show before. Can you suggest 10 tricks for me to do?
Sometimes, no matter how little the client pays, it's too much.
Message: Posted by: Dannydoyle (Nov 15, 2015 06:00PM)
Absolutely.

The big problem is that then 10 months later that guy writes a book and a system for booking shows. Then some here applaud everything like that in the spirit of "helping" and everyone is entitled to an opinion. It is a sad cycle.

Nobody wants to take the time to learn properly it seems.
Message: Posted by: RobertSmith (Nov 15, 2015 08:19PM)
[quote]On Nov 15, 2015, Dannydoyle wrote:
Absolutely.

The big problem is that then 10 months later that guy writes a book and a system for booking shows. Then some here applaud everything like that in the spirit of "helping" and everyone is entitled to an opinion. It is a sad cycle.

Nobody wants to take the time to learn properly it seems. [/quote]

I've always wondered about the performers who seem to surface, and within 18 months have their own, "system," for sale. Of all the programs, books, DVDs etc that I've seen over the years, very few ever start with, "Chapter 1: Have a show."
Message: Posted by: Mindpro (Nov 15, 2015 08:58PM)
So true