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Topic: Schrodinger's Magic
Message: Posted by: Patrick Differ (Dec 19, 2015 05:28PM)
Schrodingerís Cat

The story of Schrodingerís Cat is a thought experiment that is used to explain, and perhaps demystify quantum physics. It is the story of a cat that is put in a box containing a radioactive isotope with an exact 50/50 chance of spitting out an atomic particle, a Geiger counter, and a vial of poisonous gas.

If the isotope spits out a neutron, the Geiger counter detects it, and the vial of poisonous gas is broken, and the cat dies. If no neutron is spat out, then the vial isnít broken, and the cat lives. The question is, without opening the box to see the cat, is the cat dead or alive? The correct answer is that the cat exists in both states, dead and alive, as long as the box remains closed, the field remains intact, and the cat remains unobserved. If, however, the box is opened, then the field collapses, and nature is forced to make the decision regarding the catís fate. Can you see how our observations of the event force its outcome?

In Magic, itís the same thing, except that when the box is opened, and when the field collapses, instead of seeing the cat, (dead, alive, or at the very least extremely ****ed offÖ), we see a three-foot iguana wearing a Panama hat, smoking a cigar, and sipping on a Mojito.

Cheers.

:coolspot:
Message: Posted by: Jonathan Townsend (Dec 19, 2015 05:44PM)
A fine presentation for the die box either way - IE produce the cat.

I thought it was that the cat did not exist, only it's potential, until measured.
Message: Posted by: ATL (Dec 22, 2015 05:02PM)
Great idea of using schrodinger's cat as plot for magic effect. Would it be alright for me to take that idea and possibly put it in a card effect? I think you can already see the connection with blank cards? Have few cards with pictures on them, box, black cat etc. and could basically tell the story about schrŲdinger's cat with cards using some color changes and productions.
Message: Posted by: Patrick Differ (Dec 23, 2015 06:57AM)
@Jonathan: Ah, yes...True potential, like beauty, is in the eye of the beholder.

@ATL: Go right ahead. I've been pondering a Schrodinger's Card effect myself for a couple of years now. The plot isn't mine, I'm sure.

My Schrodinger's Card is a face-down card that is the "All-Card", (all the cards at the same time), until we turn it face-up and take a look at it, at which time the field collapses and nature is forced to make a decision as to which card it is, etc. Oh, I see... a Seven of Diamonds... Then we turn the card face-down again. Is it still the same card, or has it reverted back to being the "All-Card"? According to the theory...

Without a t%p c%%%%e, maybe found the answer in a 1914 magic magazine, maybe not. Haven't opened the box yet.

Cheers to all.
Message: Posted by: tommy (Dec 23, 2015 08:09AM)
:) Cool! I have seen people play poker that way.
Message: Posted by: Jonathan Townsend (Dec 24, 2015 08:57PM)
@ATL, there was a guy named Hofzinser who did magic a generation before the time Shrodinger was doing physics. He was thinking along those lines without the dead cats or poisons. Free choice effecting the cards by magic.
Message: Posted by: Brad Burt (Dec 25, 2015 09:22AM)
I have forgotten how to do it...but there is a way to make a box out of playing cards. Bend certain way and then just put them together to form a pretty uniform little card box. Use blank faced cards....One has pic of cat, one the poison, one the 'whatever it is that degrades or whatever it does...'. Shake box...no sound..shake, no sound....shake and suddenly there is something rattling around inside. Have specs tear open box to find a small plastic "dead" cat. Pic of cat is gone, bottle broken, etc.
Message: Posted by: ATL (Dec 26, 2015 04:01PM)
[quote]On Dec 24, 2015, Jonathan Townsend wrote:
@ATL, there was a guy named Hofzinser who did magic a generation before the time Shrodinger was doing physics. He was thinking along those lines without the dead cats or poisons. Free choice effecting the cards by magic. [/quote]

I looked his wikipedia. Sounds like guy who's performance's I'd enjoy.
Message: Posted by: Jon Allen (Dec 29, 2015 02:19PM)
Big fan of Schrodinger' stuff.

I have a routine called Schrodinger's Card in my book and on my DVD set.

It is a signed card to sealed envelope but you do not open the envelope. You explain it is a valuable souvenir as their signed card is inside a sealed envelope.... but the only way to find out if it is valuable is to open the envelope to see if their card is inside. However, opening the envelope renders it worthless.

There is a bit more to it than that but that's the bare bones.
Message: Posted by: eralph357 (Dec 29, 2015 07:34PM)
Francis Menotti has a Schrodinger's Card on his Treachery of Tricks DVD, where a card disappears from the deck in a spectator's hands, and reappears in the card box.
Message: Posted by: Brad Burt (Dec 29, 2015 10:35PM)
I keep thinking it would be fun at a convention of theoretical types to have card selected and signed. Card vanishes and you point to the card box. Open box and dump out dead cat. Card is found in cat's mouth. How to get a regular size cat in a regular card box? Card box is constructed the same way as the Tardis on Dr. Who. Simple and elegant.
Message: Posted by: Jonathan Townsend (Dec 29, 2015 11:08PM)
Getting a type 40 time capsule - see if you can get one for me too. :)
Message: Posted by: Patrick Differ (Dec 29, 2015 11:58PM)
In "Blomberg Laboratories", (auth. Andi Gladwin, pub. Vanishing Inc., (c) 2104), on page 238, there is a stunningly beautiful little routine called Schrodinger's Tie. It's a CAAN type of routine that uses a deck, an envelope, and a ribbon with which to tie up the deck. Crazy, man.
Message: Posted by: Payne (Jan 1, 2016 11:55AM)
Then there's this

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Message: Posted by: Patrick Differ (Jan 21, 2016 05:06PM)
I forgot to mention...
You open the box expecting some form of cat,
But instead you see the said cigar-smoking, Mojito-drinking, Panama hat-wearing Iguana.
This critter looks up and sees you,
And between a sip and a puff,
Looks you right dead in the eye, and
Perfectly pronounces your first name.
Message: Posted by: Jonathan Townsend (Jan 22, 2016 05:33PM)
? you can do the die box and produce a dove.

not sure about a talking iguana. Maybe a puppet?
Message: Posted by: Christopher Taylor (Jul 17, 2019 06:00PM)
Here is a performance clip showing my take: www.taylorimaginering.com/shop/schrodinger-ploy

Christopher

NOTE: * No cats were harmed in the making of this effect
** One physicist was lightly bruised, but he deserved it
Message: Posted by: Jonathan Townsend (Jul 20, 2019 11:18PM)
? this: http://taylorimagineering.com/shop/schrodinger-ploy/
Message: Posted by: tommy (Jul 21, 2019 09:15AM)
It seems to me it is like magic itself in that that it does not exist until it is seen to be. If the magician performs alone he is like the cat in the box. If a cat put a magician in a box then what would the cat know of the magicianís condition before it looked?
Message: Posted by: Pop Haydn (Jul 21, 2019 05:28PM)
It is important to remember that the cat thing is a metaphor. I am not that familiar with quantum theory, but in my understanding in the quantum world they are talking about isolated conditions.

In the macro world, there are thousands of other conditions that would be involved, beyond the binary of whether the gas went off or not. The cat could have a heart attack even though the gas didn't kill it.
Message: Posted by: tommy (Jul 22, 2019 03:23AM)
They say it revolves around a principle of quantum theory called "superposition", which basically claims that if you don't know what the state of any object is, then - as long as you don't look to check - it is actually in all possible states simultaneously: "echotolosa". If one put a cat and mouse in a box and open it to find the mouse only then one might assume the mouse eat the cat - circumstantial evidence.
Message: Posted by: Papa Legba (Jul 26, 2019 03:03AM)
I cant recall the exact name of the effect but Max Maven has one involving a quantum fruit machine. It's well worth checking out if you like the physics themed effects.
Message: Posted by: Jonathan Townsend (Jul 31, 2019 01:36PM)
What a nice collection of words: "Max Maven has one involving a quantum fruit machine". Close to a serial book title. Ha! He's probably already written such a series.

But if you want to play with Schrodinger's Wave Equation as fiction - you could pretty much read [url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fock_space]this stuff[/url] as patter for your Svengali Deck routine. The die box trick dates back to a few years before Schrodinger was born. This stuff is contemporary with Vernon.
Message: Posted by: weirdwizardx (Nov 12, 2019 10:44AM)
[quote]On Dec 29, 2015, Jon Allen wrote:
Big fan of Schrodinger' stuff.

I have a routine called Schrodinger's Card in my book and on my DVD set.

It is a signed card to sealed envelope but you do not open the envelope. You explain it is a valuable souvenir as their signed card is inside a sealed envelope.... but the only way to find out if it is valuable is to open the envelope to see if their card is inside. However, opening the envelope renders it worthless.

There is a bit more to it than that but that's the bare bones. [/quote]

That is a very good idea!
Message: Posted by: weirdwizardx (Nov 12, 2019 10:46AM)
Tom Stone has a trick called Quantum Logic that depending on the way is presented could relate to physics
Message: Posted by: weirdwizardx (Nov 12, 2019 10:47AM)
Is amazing how from different areas we can take amazing premises and presentations