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Topic: History of the Cellini Cups?
Message: Posted by: Chris.Z (Feb 12, 2016 09:48AM)
Looking for any history and information on the Cellini Cups.
I am an avid Cellini fan and I have recently acquired a set of the Cellini cups, which I love, and I'm just curious as to their history.
Who makes them?
Did Cellini actually design them or are they merely named after him?
In reading his books, Cellini seems to have preferred and used the Bertram cups most of his career, when did he adopt the cups that bear his name?
I just want to learn what I can about the cups.
Message: Posted by: RicoGood (Feb 12, 2016 04:14PM)
Here is a link to Brian Watson with more information:
http://www.cupsandballsmagic.com/Cellini-Cups.html
Message: Posted by: Bill Palmer (Feb 18, 2016 11:31PM)
My first wife and I visited with Cellini and Marianne a couple of years before he passed away. I mentioned that I had acquired a set of the silver plated Cellini cups for my museum.

If I recall the information correctly, they were actually designed by Hörbi Kull of Zauberladen Zürich. Jim did not claim to have given him any input on the design, but Hörbi may have gotten some ideas from some conversations they had been engaged in. If you are not planning to do a two or three ball display on top of the cups, they have the advantage of displaying a single ball or load very dramatically.

They are quite solid, but Jim actually preferred other cups.
Message: Posted by: Leo H (Feb 20, 2016 03:04PM)
[quote]On Feb 19, 2016, Bill Palmer wrote: They are quite solid, but Jim actually preferred other cups. [/quote]

I find it amusing when some artists don't use their own signature line of products. I don't think it's a reflection on the quality of the product but more like a case of the artist feeling more comfortable with the old tools.
Message: Posted by: Bill Palmer (Feb 21, 2016 01:15AM)
Leo -- they weren't his "signature line." Re-read what I wrote.
Message: Posted by: Glenn Godsey (Jun 13, 2016 12:13PM)
Yes, Bill is right, as usual. Cellini used the Bertram cups as long as I knew him. If Jim had designed a set of cups, I'm certain that they wouldn't have been the shape of the so-called "Cellini Cups"...a proportion that I think is very unattractive and awkward.
Message: Posted by: herbcool (Nov 24, 2016 08:38AM)
The Zauberladen Zürich, Hörbi Kull has the copyright on various Cellini products.
1994 CELLINI gives the rights of different products to Hörbi Kull. See the contract of March 3, 1994. Cellini & Hörbi Kull improved several times the cups, the wall thickness, the upper edge and brought the cups to the magical market in 1997 at Fism in Dresden. Simultaneously with the book The Royal Touch.

The accompanying photos are originals from Cellini and owned by Hörbi Kull, zauberladen.com.

Zauberladen Zürich
Rieterstrasse 102
8002 Zürich
Switzerland
Message: Posted by: herbcool (Nov 24, 2016 09:02AM)
Here you will find more Information and gifs about the Cellini Cups, the Copyrights and the History:

https://www.zauberladen.com/neu/wp-content/uploads/2016/11/cellini-cups.history.engl_.pdf

Thanks for post the truths
Message: Posted by: Eric Evans (Nov 27, 2016 01:04PM)
I don't mean to differ with the many prestigious names here but Cellini DID design the cups (I have in my possession a prototype design submitted for Cellini's approval) and while Hörbi holds the rights, he didn't create any of the tricks or apparatus.

AND Cellini did love the cups he had designed, but once he started working with them found that the loads were too large for him to comfortably load from his trouser pockets. Plus, he didn't like using a ball that he couldn't close his fist around. All of that led to his abandoning "his" cups for the more accustomed Magic Inc. or Bertram cups.

If you follow that link that Hörbi has provided, you'll see the document, handwritten by Cellini, with my name and address on it. Hörbi visited Cellini around 1993 at the ranch where I lived and Cellini was staying with Marianne at the time. It was during that time that Hörbi secured the rights. So I may be in a better position to know a little more about this matter than others who've offered their opinions here.
Message: Posted by: Leo H (Nov 27, 2016 05:34PM)
Thank you for the clarification Eric. I feel vindicated.
Message: Posted by: Devious (Nov 28, 2016 05:36PM)
Muchas gracias hermano Evans.

I was going to ask you for some clarity on this matter but when I scrolled down to the bottom of the thread you had already responded.

Be well and beware of treachery.
Message: Posted by: Eric Evans (Nov 28, 2016 08:06PM)
De nada hermano, con muchas gracias ;)

As well to you Leo, I'm glad to help clarify whenever possible and speaking of which, upon reflection, I should probably do a bit more. So here goes...

What I wrote above was in no way intended to diminish anyone's opinion before. Certainly Hörbi's efforts were many and always honest. I don't know what input Hörbi may have had on the cups, but I do know that the final say rested with Cellini himself. Cellini had very definite ideas about what he liked in a cup. And when it came down to it, they're Cellini's Cups in every sense of the word. If he had still worn a pouch, he'd have probably used them the rest of his life.