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Topic: Hen Fetsch's "Squaround"
Message: Posted by: drhackenbush (Mar 31, 2016 05:57PM)
I looked at the places that tend to have instruction sheet collections available, but haven't found this one. Magician and volunteer both fold a square sheet of paper and both make the same cuts - the volunteer opens up their paper and has a square frame and a square piece, while the magician has a square frame, but their cut-out piece is a circle. Does anyone have the instructions for this? Thanks!
Message: Posted by: Bill Hegbli (Mar 31, 2016 07:14PM)
Never seen a "you do as I do routine for it", here is Ken Brooke's Squircle as sold by Harry Staney and Louis Tannen's years ago.

https://tricksupply.com/product/squircle-ken-brooke/

It might be in the book Fetsching Magic by Robert Spencer, I have the book but it is put away right now, so I cannot check if your newspaper thing is in it, but I don't remember reading it.

http://www.penguinmagic.com/p/S8884
Message: Posted by: drhackenbush (Mar 31, 2016 07:59PM)
Bill - thanks - I do have Squircle (always loved that one), but Fetsching Magic sounds like a good place to look for this, so thanks for that idea. I think the trick was marketed by Gene Gordon.
Message: Posted by: Bill Hegbli (Mar 31, 2016 08:29PM)
Yes, Gene Gordon marketed and sold most if not all of Hen Fetsch's magic. Another place to look is the out of print book by Gene Gordon, David Ginn published it, but has never done a 2nd printing.
Message: Posted by: drhackenbush (Mar 31, 2016 09:26PM)
I do have the Ginn "Magical Legacy" right in front of me :-) Didn't seem to be in that one. But there's a lot of other good material and lots of good stories in it.
Message: Posted by: Jef Eaton (Apr 1, 2016 07:38AM)
If you use the Sqircle Gimmick and the spectator does not, doesn't that produce the same or similar effect?
Message: Posted by: Bill Hegbli (Apr 1, 2016 08:32AM)
Wasn't there a patter book of Hen Fetsch ideas or was that someone else.
Message: Posted by: drhackenbush (Apr 1, 2016 10:42AM)
I believe you could hand out both the Squaround papers while I know you can't with the Squircle since I do that one. I don't remember the Hen Fetsch patter book, though I do have "Lots of Lawson" which is the same idea.
Message: Posted by: Bill Hegbli (Apr 1, 2016 01:52PM)
I have Lot's of Lawton scanned in PDF format, through the book out after I scanned it; on page 18 it has your similar idea. No real patter, as is mentioned. You could use the patter on page 3, and include the spectator, and say, He got an A.

For what you want, I believe it is in the original instructions at the bottom of the instruction sheet, that is opening the cut out and get a different shape. I don't see how you can give a gimmicked sheet to a spectator, unless he is in on it and knows what to do.

If I read you initial post correctly, I don't see how you can have the spectator cut a circle and get a square when he opens it.

I think he other book was called Funny Stuff or something like that. If the foot lockers did not weight a hundred pounds, I could get it out more quickly. Maybe it was Frank Lane, been a while since I read it.
Message: Posted by: drhackenbush (Apr 1, 2016 03:17PM)
That's correct, the spectator cuts a square and gets a square and it's the magician who gets the circle. Let's take a look at Lawton... Ah, there's the Squircle idea. I did see a photo of the actual Squaround and it's a totally different set-up for the magician's sheet, which I tried working out myself. That being said, this does get the same result. The Squaround was on the big auction site recently and I should've bid on it, but didn't. I like having the actual tricks/directions, so that's why I'm looking for this specific one even though there are definitely other methods like Squircle for achieving the same thing.

Hope you're having a nice Spring, Bill, and as always, I really appreciate your info!
Message: Posted by: Bill Hegbli (Apr 1, 2016 04:37PM)
In the Squricle instructions, the additional tips, it says you can do a square to circle if you like.

I just don't know, because this was before my time. I did not discover the local magic store until 1958, and this trick is much older then that time frame, besides the local magic dealer would not carry or sell a trick like this, because he could not just pick it up and demonstrate it.

I never heard of Squaround, maybe because I wasn't born yet. :rotf: There was a dice trick by Supreme Magic that when the magician pounded a tube into the top of a box that contained the jumbo die, the box clifted and then the tube, showing a round die, that just fit in the can.

I to like to get "original" information on a trick. If I had wanted and seen that, I would have bid until I got it. That's just me though.

Sorry, I could not help further.
Message: Posted by: drhackenbush (Apr 1, 2016 05:23PM)
Bill - you certainly helped a lot, and I appreciate it.
Message: Posted by: Pete Biro (Apr 2, 2016 07:32PM)
[B]SQUIRCLE has been mistakenly credited to Ken Brooke, is actually KEN BOWELL'S.[/B]
Message: Posted by: TrickyRicky (Apr 5, 2016 05:42AM)
Harry Stanley advertised it in his catalogue in the 1950s,and I think It was called (Squarcle) invented by Ken Bowell.
Tricky Ricky
Message: Posted by: drhackenbush (Apr 5, 2016 01:21PM)
Squircle is great and a lot of fun, but is a different trick. It's Squaround that I'm trying to find :-)
Message: Posted by: Bill Hegbli (Apr 5, 2016 01:31PM)
Okay, Tannen's got it wrong by accident or on purpose, or maybe he printer messed it up.

You can't believe everything you read. :readingbook:
Message: Posted by: Bill Hegbli (Apr 14, 2016 01:07PM)
Dr, Hachenbush, while looking for something else, I ran across this effect by Devin Knight, it reads exactly like what you have described.

I is called, Around the Square. I suppose Devin Knight found the original and re-released it.

http://www.penguinmagic.com/p/S11504
Message: Posted by: Devin Knight (Apr 14, 2016 03:02PM)
[quote]On Apr 14, 2016, Bill Hegbli wrote:
Dr, Hachenbush, while looking for something else, I ran across this effect by Devin Knight, it reads exactly like what you have described.

I is called, Around the Square. I suppose Devin Knight found the original and re-released it.

http://www.penguinmagic.com/p/S11504 [/quote]

No my method is different from the original method. It doesn't have the angle problems the original had.
Message: Posted by: Bill Hegbli (Jun 11, 2016 09:04PM)
[b]I would like to set the record straight, I just was watching the DVD Visions of Ken Brooke, in it "Squircle" is demonstrated. Pat Page narrates the videos. He states that Squircle is Ken Brookes trick.

There was another "Cut and Restored Newspaper" trick using a knife to cut around a newspaper folded in fourths. Pat Page states this was a Ken Bowell effect. So, I would say that Pat Page is correct.
Message: Posted by: Dick Oslund (Jun 11, 2016 09:51PM)
I enjoyed reading down this thread! I could "see" this trick playing very well in school shows (here comes the BUT!)::: I think it would have required half the weekend, prepping enough props for the following week!
Message: Posted by: drhackenbush (Jun 12, 2016 04:41PM)
I'm still trying to find the actual Hen Fetsch Squaround released by Gene Gordon - I love Squircle, and I know it's very similar, but I'm trying to get my hands on the Squaround itself. I tried to get one in an auction, but lost.
Message: Posted by: wally (Jun 14, 2016 05:44AM)
Are any of these on a dvd explanation, thanks.
Message: Posted by: Bill Hegbli (Jun 14, 2016 10:45AM)
[quote]On Jun 14, 2016, wally wrote:
Are any of these on a dvd explanation, thanks. [/quote]

No, only the presentation on the Visions of Ken Brooke DVD that are silent films.

https://tricksupply.com/product/visions-of-ken-brooke-by-martin-breese-dvd/

Squircle is on a single sheet of paper for $5.

https://tricksupply.com/product/squircle-ken-brooke/
Message: Posted by: drhackenbush (Jun 14, 2016 10:48AM)
It seems Squircle is taught on Gene Anderson's DVD "The Greater Magic Video Library #37", which features Gene Anderson's Newspaper act and other routines and includes explanations. I watched it recently, and was surprised it was there.
Message: Posted by: Dave Fiscus (Jun 14, 2016 09:50PM)
I'm looking at Spencer's Fetching Magic right now. Squaround is on pages 86-88 with diagrams and a pattern for folding.
Dave
Message: Posted by: drhackenbush (Jun 14, 2016 10:24PM)
Dave - thank you!!!! And thanks to everyone for your thoughts.
Message: Posted by: Bill Hegbli (Jun 15, 2016 02:24AM)
Here is a place that sells the book. I have it, but it was a newer purchase and did not connect it. It has been on sale here several times, but not currently.

Hen Fetsch magic book.

https://tricksupply.com/product/fetsching-magic-by-robert-spencer-book/
Message: Posted by: drhackenbush (Jun 15, 2016 10:32AM)
Thanks, Bill - I think Denny also has a copy, and he's my local shop, so now I have a couple options. I appreciate all your help! And Hen Fetsch was a local Baltimorian, so that's cool!
Message: Posted by: wally (Sep 11, 2019 01:41PM)
Has anyone found squaround

released by Gene Gordon ,
Message: Posted by: Bill Hegbli (Sep 11, 2019 06:18PM)
[quote]On Sep 11, 2019, wally wrote:
Has anyone found squaround

released by Gene Gordon , [/quote]


Wally, Gene Gordon sold a lot of Hen Fetch magic. So I would think the best place to find it would be in Hen Fetch's his book. Then there is a lot of great magic you would also have from that book.

David Ginn wrote a book of Gene Gordon's magic years ago. It was so popular that is sold completely out in a month. Not even magic dealers could get a copy. Ginn never had a second printing. I could not get a copy at the time either. I never seen the book, so I don't know if the trick being discussed would be in Gene Gordon's book, but Gordon added routines to may of the tricks his magic shop sold.

And no, there is no DVD or video, as when these effects were invented, there was only 8 millimeter film with no sound. Those home movie camera only were wind up , and could only film 5 or 10 minutes of action. Very grainy as well in what was called black and white film movies. We call it gray scale these days.
Message: Posted by: wally (Sep 12, 2019 04:46AM)
Thank you very much Bill, much appreciated for the reply, I may go for Devin Knights around the square,
Message: Posted by: FrankFindley (Sep 12, 2019 07:20PM)
Was curious about the Squircle discussion of Bowell and Brooke so checked the archives. Turns out there were two versions under that name on the market contemporaneously. The routines were different.

[img]http://libertyassociate.com/TheMagicCafe/squirclebowell.png[/img]
[img]http://libertyassociate.com/TheMagicCafe/squirclebrooke.png[/img]
[img]http://libertyassociate.com/TheMagicCafe/squirclebrooke2.png[/img]

Regarding squaround, it originally sold for $1 direct from Gene Gordon as Bill said.
[img]http://libertyassociate.com/TheMagicCafe/squaround.png[/img]
[img]http://libertyassociate.com/TheMagicCafe/squaround2.png[/img]