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Topic: When do you know,..?
Message: Posted by: gallagher (Jun 20, 2016 03:15PM)
When do you 'know',
"enough practise,
it's time to do it."?

Not wanting to answer my own question,
I 'think' it's "a feeling".
Maybe, a determination.,..?
I'm curious what others think.
I'm still searching,..

I thank you for your thoughts,
Gallagher
Message: Posted by: Mary Mowder (Jun 20, 2016 05:32PM)
I don't know.

I could do a DL a full two years before I did it for a lay audience. I determined never to wait THAT long again.

When ever I see a guy say "I just got this is in the mail today so I'm gonna try it." (and clearly they were telling the truth LOL) I think THAT is a worse thing to do.

It helps to imagine a friendly audience while you are practicing.

You will never complete your practice till you try it in front of an audience so have friends and Family watch the first times, then a Magic Club, etc...

It depends on what it is, more about a knacky move or about the performance.

Try it for a trusted friend and ask them if you are ready for prime time.

-Mary Mowder
Message: Posted by: gallagher (Jun 26, 2016 01:38PM)
Hellö Mary,
thanks for your thoughts.
"Imagine playing for a friendly audience", is a good trick(!).
I'm kinda at the that phase now.

I'm working out a completely new show concept,
I've nothing 'old and proven' to work around.
(it's actually something I wanted,..struggled for,..
we choose our own poisons,..!)

'Trusted friends' are tricky(!).
,..

Actually, I went out and played it, last wednesday.
Determination, after long practise,...
,determined to keep calm.
,determined to run it through.

I had to start THREE times(!).
I did.
I knew, after looping the Show, four times;
what I have.
AND, I' ve eaten most of the fear!(),..yeah!

I've continued the practise,
Tuesday, I'm out again.

, . . . . .

It's a killer, working with yourself!
We're often our biggest critiques.
,but....
(this is one reason I enjoy the Café!)
have a nice day,
Gallagher
Message: Posted by: ColtonRaelund (Jul 5, 2016 05:46PM)
You know, when you try it! Many people have fear of failure, and I am also guilty of it. Last night, I tried vanishing a lit match in a TT for the first time, after a month of practicing, and several weeks being ready. You just got to jump in, all or nothing!

~Z~
Message: Posted by: JasperLee (Oct 22, 2016 08:15PM)
The best judge might be hecklers you meet.

Most audiences are too polite about everything.

If you're looking for the hard truth, it's either from your wife or hecklers all around.
Message: Posted by: Bella Dans (Dec 9, 2016 10:49PM)
I usually test the waters by , practicing performing to invisible audience in public places.
And if someone is curious, I will start with routines I already know well, and transition to the newer routines.
Message: Posted by: DavidJComedy (Mar 21, 2018 05:59AM)
You can rehearse all you want, but it can obviously never replicate performance conditions, as you never know all of the variables with which you may be contending. Depending on the complexity of a routine, I may choose to simply just perform it live, without a ton of rehearsal, and let the performances act in part as a rehearsal. I think most performers would agree, the first time you perform something never resembles the 20th or 30th time. It morphs, you change, you gain experience and knowledge. So, to base readiness on individual rehearsal time can be challenging.
Message: Posted by: jstreiff (Mar 21, 2018 11:40AM)
You can be reasonably sure that when you first think you are ready, you are not.
Message: Posted by: Dick Oslund (Mar 21, 2018 12:36PM)
[quote]On Mar 21, 2018, DavidJComedy wrote:
You can rehearse all you want, but it can obviously never replicate performance conditions, as you never know all of the variables with which you may be contending. Depending on the complexity of a routine, I may choose to simply just perform it live, without a ton of rehearsal, and let the performances act in part as a rehearsal. I think most performers would agree, the first time you perform something never resembles the 20th or 30th time. It morphs, you change, you gain experience and knowledge. So, to base readiness on individual rehearsal time can be challenging. [/quote]

Sorry, but, IMO, THAT'S the thinking that causes many potential clients, to say, "Anything BUT, a magician!"

PRACTICE TO IMPROVE SKILL. REHEARSE TO IMPROVE PERFORMANCE.

PERFORM, WHEN YOU HAVE FIGURED OUT WHAT THE "VARIABLES" ARE, AND, HOW YOU WILL "HANDLE" THOSE "VARIABLES".

The three "rules" for putting a new trick in your repertoire, are:

1. Learn how it is DONE.

2. Learn how to DO it.

3. Learn how to do it, so it ENTERTAINS AN AUDIENCE.
Message: Posted by: paulalpha (Apr 10, 2018 10:24PM)
Some magicians claim they have worked on a sleight for five years before they performed it in public. While that may work for some professionals and some sleights, as a general rule that's very bad in my opinion. You want to be able to perform the trick in front of lay people ASAP to determine if it is a good trick to add to your repertoire. So my rule of thumb is to start trying it in front of people when you've practiced enough that you don't have to think about the trick any more, and you can do it 10 times in a row without messing up.

Whenever I try out an new tick on a stranger, its way too easy to talk myself out of it and not perform. I need to screw up my courage to get those first dozen performances under my belt. My favorite strangers for trying out a trick are store clerks. They have been trained that the customer is always right.
Message: Posted by: John Oaks (Apr 11, 2018 07:50PM)
When do you know????

Therein lies the thrill of performing!
Message: Posted by: paulalpha (Apr 24, 2018 01:18AM)
[quote]On Mar 21, 2018, Dick Oslund wrote:

.................

The three "rules" for putting a new trick in your repertoire, are:

1. Learn how it is DONE.

2. Learn how to DO it.

3. Learn how to do it, so it ENTERTAINS AN AUDIENCE. [/quote]


Dick is of course correct, but its that third point that is the toughest.

When I first started doing closeup linking rings, I had missed a crash link three times in a row. One of the young men watching said that "my problem was that I was performing in front of three beautiful ladies". He was exactly right, and by concentrating very carefully I was able to do the crash link the next time.

Ever since then, when ever I perform for a female, I deliberately miss one or two crash links early on, and then tell the spectators "you know what my problem is? I'm performing here in front of these beautiful women." Then I concentrate and make the link work. Its a funny line, and usually gets a laugh.

That line enhances the entertainment value of my rings routine, and gets me better tips. But I only added it to my routine because it happened while performing.

So getting out there and performing is part of the secret to improving your performance skills. There is no substitute for real performances in front of real strangers.
Message: Posted by: LarryD (May 2, 2018 08:29PM)
I certainly don't know the answer to this question in general, but as it relates to me personally I can state positively that I'm not ready!
Message: Posted by: Wravyn (May 13, 2018 08:16PM)
Https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=oSs6DcA6dFI
Message: Posted by: kidnapped1853 (May 19, 2018 09:29PM)
Really interesting discussion. The following is a little off-topic and is an old idea, but it has served me very well over the years - I always sandwich a new routine between two others that are rock solid.
Message: Posted by: deanr201 (May 23, 2018 06:16AM)
[quote]On May 19, 2018, kidnapped1853 wrote:
Really interesting discussion. The following is a little off-topic and is an old idea, but it has served me very well over the years - I always sandwich a new routine between two others that are rock solid. [/quote]

Solid advise right there. I too do the same.
Message: Posted by: ryanshaw9572 (Aug 19, 2019 08:02AM)
I practiced until I knew I had enough material for a certain time. Then I rehearsed that material over and over, making a script as I went. Then I started advertising myself. Once I got a gig, I just practiced as much as possible before the gig. I was nervous going in, which is natural, but I wanted to just jump right into performing for money because there are some things which can only be learned through experience. To be experienced you have to start experiencing. Hopefully not for free, because even if it’s just a part-time thing or a hobby, there are people who make their entire living off of magic!

Ryan Shaw
Message: Posted by: GlennLawrence (Aug 19, 2019 02:41PM)
Good point there, Ryan Shaw. Be careful about doing free shows. Remember that it might just be a "hobby" for you, but you may be taking a paying gig away from a pro whose living depends on not giving shows away for free!
Message: Posted by: Bill Hegbli (Aug 22, 2019 09:55PM)
Practice and rehearsal is never over, you should be practicing in front of a mirror. The larger the better. These days, video every practice and rehearsal. Does your movement and gestures look natural. Are you holding your props correctly, and handling them so everyone can see the prop. are you placing props back in your case or table without losing your audience attention.

You can relax your practicing when you can do an effect, move, or effect without thinking. Paying more attention to your audience and spectators. As with anything, if you only do several shows a year, then of course, you will lose it if you are not doing it.

Then comes rehearsal, this should be performed before every show, seeing you have every move and prop available and in its place. Use your music, and your patter as it should be presented.
Message: Posted by: Julie (Aug 22, 2019 10:09PM)
...PLUS think through what MIGHT go wrong and have an "out" already practiced & rehearsed for this eventuality.

Julie
Message: Posted by: Dick Oslund (Aug 23, 2019 11:30AM)
Right Julie! THAT was a part of the #2 phase, of adding a new trick to the routine.

When I was on the road, doing as many as 15 school assemblies a week, I didn't need to "rehearse"! Working that much. KEPT me "UP"!

The variable conditions, (grade levels, physical situations, etc, were constant "challenges".
Message: Posted by: JoshDude849 (Aug 24, 2019 01:29AM)
I usually just know when I'm "ready". It's hard to describe. Maybe its knowing how to do said trick/sleight without thinking about... That way it is more natural.