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Topic: Color changing knife
Message: Posted by: Corrado (Jul 10, 2016 10:12AM)
Hi everyone, I made a research, but I didn't find anything about that:
I'm thinking to do a color changing knife routine with just a knife. I've already put together something, but I would to know your opinion and your ideas.

Thank you
Message: Posted by: Dick Oslund (Jul 10, 2016 01:21PM)
You didn't research much! There have been a gezillion posts about CC knives.

CC Knife with only one knife?!? Good Luck.

"I've already put together something, but I would to know your opinion and your ideas." [you left out a verb!)

We can't give an opinion about "nothing", which is what you mention: nothing.
Message: Posted by: Corrado (Jul 10, 2016 02:05PM)
I'm appalled by the arrogance and rudeness that exists in the world!

Perhaps I did not explain well, unfortunately I'm not American or English and my Acquaintances of the language is limited , but the question seems pretty clear in my opinion: I would like to collect some opinions about the idea about a routine with only one knife. For the moment I do not want advice on what I put together.

And for clarity, I did a lot of research on the forum, but no result was about routines with only one knife, so I think it is a new topic! I did not ask anything about a technique or something that has already been discussed, so I think your answer out of place, disrespectful and totally useless.

Corrado
Message: Posted by: Bill Hegbli (Jul 10, 2016 02:25PM)
There are no routines or instructions for routines for only one knife in magic, to change the color. Maybe the inventors were not creative enough, as the idea of passing a knive through your had and changing the color brings more problems then mystery.

How do they (inspect) handle the knife.

Changing from say a white knife to a black handled knife is passé to say the least.

That is why the classic CC Knife routine was invented. It is built in misdirection and takes the on-looker on a magical journey.

There are 2 books on the color changing knife, none mentions only the use of on CC Knife.

Corrado, please don't demean people on the Café for your incomplete posts. You said more in your insulting post, then you did with your original question. You owe the professional Dick Oslund an apology, he is a well established and famous magician in the magic community.

This is an American website, so we have to assume Americans are posting unless otherwise stated.
Message: Posted by: HusssKarson (Jul 10, 2016 04:41PM)
Years ago I saw this color changing USB, I thought what a great idea to travel with this. Knife is not the most friendly object with travel with. But I can't recall what the product name is. Anyone here could help?
Message: Posted by: Ihop (Jul 10, 2016 09:10PM)
I saw Dan Garret do a routine with one knife at a SAM lecture about 4 years ago.
Unfortunately I didn't buy his lecture notes.
Perhaps you can contact him.
Message: Posted by: Corrado (Jul 11, 2016 01:30AM)
Hello Bill, thank you for your answer. I apologize to Dick if my answer may be found offensive, but honestly the first who did not respect me it was just Dick with his ways and his words. I re-read my post and frankly it seems to me quite clear! I would like to create a routine with a single knife. Ideas? Opinions? End! I have not asked for opinions on what I already thought (otherwise I would have written about what I'm working on), but the idea in general. I specified that I did a search and could not find anything on the subject. The argument is not the CCK, but routines with only a knife.
I also stated in my presentation in the special section that are Italian, so, theoretically, everyone should know that I'm not American.
I simply asked some opinions and instead the response I received was completely disrespectful and the only thing related to my request was "GOOD LUCK."
So, what determines who to respect? The degree of notoriety? The magical knowledge? The chronological age? Dick deserves respect, it is true, and I? I do not deserve to be respected? I apologize to Dick, but my idea does not change, Sorry!

Thank you HussKarsom and lhop.

A question to lhop: do you know if the procedure you are referring to is the one in the Dan's Penguin live lecture? Thank you very much
Message: Posted by: Ihop (Jul 11, 2016 10:55AM)
Corrado,
I'm sorry but I do not know if the routine is in Dans' Penguins' live lecture. I've never seen the Penguin lecture.
I only remember the Sam lecture I attended.
Sorry I can't be of more help.
Message: Posted by: Ihop (Jul 11, 2016 11:03AM)
[quote]On Jul 10, 2016, HusssKarson wrote:
Years ago I saw this color changing USB, I thought what a great idea to travel with this. Knife is not the most friendly object with travel with. But I can't recall what the product name is. Anyone here could help? [/quote]
Yes, it is
Flash by Chad Long (DVD + Gimmick)
It is available on Penguin Magic.
Message: Posted by: motown (Jul 11, 2016 11:27AM)
[quote]On Jul 10, 2016, Bill Hegbli wrote:
There are no routines or instructions for routines for only one knife in magic, to change the color. Maybe the inventors were not creative enough, as the idea of passing a knive through your had and changing the color brings more problems then mystery.

How do they (inspect) handle the knife.

Changing from say a white knife to a black handled knife is passé to say the least.

That is why the classic CC Knife routine was invented. It is built in misdirection and takes the on-looker on a magical journey.

There are 2 books on the color changing knife, none mentions only the use of on CC Knife.

Corrado, please don't demean people on the Café for your incomplete posts. You said more in your insulting post, then you did with your original question. You owe the professional Dick Oslund an apology, he is a well established and famous magician in the magic community.

This is an American website, so we have to assume Americans are posting unless otherwise stated. [/quote]Bill, sorry, no disrespect, but your response is so typical. Thinking the entire world revolves around the English language. It's the typical ugly American response. You should've been able to figure out as I did that the OP's first language wasn't English. So cut him and anyone else who's first language some slack.
Message: Posted by: Bill Hegbli (Jul 11, 2016 01:17PM)
[quote]On Jul 11, 2016, motown wrote:
Bill, sorry, no disrespect, but your response is so typical. Thinking the entire world revolves around the English language. It's the typical ugly American response. You should've been able to figure out as I did that the OP's first language wasn't English. So cut him and anyone else who's first language some slack. [/quote]

If you would experience the world you should know almost all countries are taught English in school. They learn to print in block letters as well.

And if you read the Café rules it says to use English.

I have from being on the Café, members do not like anyone to assume anything about them. It is lose - Lose situation and your are not helping people thinking they are being insulted, when in fact, as represented they are not even a person, but a fake name, and that is all. They don't know or understand the idea of a fake persona on the Internet.

This is not about the English Language, but not posting a complete question, Mr. Oslund, assumed facts concerning his question, and you did not read my response and what I said correctly either.

I see you did not give the OP an answer, why not? Answer Corrado's question.
Message: Posted by: ebackes88 (Jul 11, 2016 03:10PM)
Back to the question TC Tahoe did a single color changing knife routine in his penguin magic lecture, and Dan Garett does go over his in his penguin lecture as well.
Message: Posted by: tctahoe (Jul 12, 2016 12:04PM)
Ebackers88 Thank you for the mention. Yes I do go over it in my Penguin Lecture. My one knife routine, and yes the audience gets to inspect the knife, was a staple in my restaurant work.

You can find the knife routine here
http://www.lybrary.com/tc-tahoe-rethinks-vol-5-color-changing-knife-p-117158.html

and my Penguin lecture here

http://www.penguinmagic.com/p/7089

if you have any question, feel free to ask.
TC
Message: Posted by: motown (Jul 12, 2016 12:43PM)
[quote]On Jul 11, 2016, Bill Hegbli wrote:
[quote]On Jul 11, 2016, motown wrote:
Bill, sorry, no disrespect, but your response is so typical. Thinking the entire world revolves around the English language. It's the typical ugly American response. You should've been able to figure out as I did that the OP's first language wasn't English. So cut him and anyone else who's first language some slack. [/quote]

If you would experience the world you should know almost all countries are taught English in school. They learn to print in block letters as well.

And if you read the Café rules it says to use English.

I have from being on the Café, members do not like anyone to assume anything about them. It is lose - Lose situation and your are not helping people thinking they are being insulted, when in fact, as represented they are not even a person, but a fake name, and that is all. They don't know or understand the idea of a fake persona on the Internet.

This is not about the English Language, but not posting a complete question, Mr. Oslund, assumed facts concerning his question, and you did not read my response and what I said correctly either.

I see you did not give the OP an answer, why not? Answer Corrado's question. [/quote] I rather respond to your rude treatment of him. Trust me, I've traveled outside the country many many times, have you? Judging by your statement I'm not so sure, because, your assumption is wrong. It's also ridiculous of you to think that every person who's first language isn't English can write as well as you can. Ever heard the term lost in translation? So, get off your soap box and try being more understanding.
Message: Posted by: countrymaven (Jul 12, 2016 12:50PM)
Ebac thanks for the help. thanks tahoe,

I also wish to ask for a little slack and respect for Mr. Oslund. He is a grandfather of magic. Maybe when we get to his age and go through what he has,
we might post something that sounds a bit short as well. I appreciate both sides, but just say, try to find out more about who you get mad at. They might have helped
a ton of people, but are not perfect. They still deserve our respect.
Message: Posted by: motown (Jul 12, 2016 01:05PM)
Corrado,

Here's a link you may find of valur:

http://magicref.tripod.com/magref/magknife.htm

Dick is a fantastic guy, noting but the utmost respect for him and his knowledge.
Message: Posted by: Bill Hegbli (Jul 12, 2016 02:09PM)
Someone above mentioned Dan Garrett Lecture they attended, I looked it up, Dan Garrett sells a DVD called [b]Forward Into The Past[/b], Only $15.00. Under the title it states, [I]Knife Act – A surprisingly visual approach to the color-changing knives[/I]. Notice the plural "knives", the OP ask for a routine with a single CC knife. It may well be an error in typing, but it may be worth a look see, Dan Garrett is an excellent magician.

The original post did not mention if he was referring to the standard Color Changing Knife routine or something he was trying to create, as the original routine, only one knife is displayed during a performance, but the Knife Through Trouser pant Leg Into Pocket, makes it worth the price.

http://www.dangarrettmagic.com/magic-for-magicians-only.html
Message: Posted by: Corrado (Jul 13, 2016 01:51AM)
Thank you all for your answers.
I saw TC's routine and I'll write to him a pm for some clarifications.
I also saw Dan Garrett's lecture, but his routine isn't with just a knife.
Thank you Motown, I already knew it, but it is always better to refresh your memory.
Thank you Bill, as you said, Dan's routine uses 2 knives.

Some clarifications: I do not know well where I'm going, I'm thinking about different aspects. Not necessarily the effect must be the color change.
For example, I have some ideas for a routine with a Swiss knife (ungimmicked) where the logo appears and disappears, etc., or a routine with a classic color changing knife in which, in addition to color changes effect, it disappears, reappears, etc.

I hope I explained.

My intention was to avoid details for not influence thoughts and ideas.

Thank you all
Message: Posted by: Blaine G (Jul 13, 2016 08:48AM)
Hi Corrado,
Your English is a heck of a lot better than my Italian :)~

I do not understand what you mean "with one knife?" Do you mean one gimmmicked knife? If yes, do you have matching regular knives? Ascanio's World of Knives has a short single color change routine. But it requires a regular white knife, a regular colored knife, and the gimmmicked white/color knife.

Do you have a gimmicked knife and a regular knife? If yes, read on. If no, get one.

Personally, I do not like routines with color changing knives, it screams trick knife. I prefer to use my color change in a short bit rather than a routine.

To set the stage I allow the spectators to handle the WHITE knife multiple times, a casual inspection. I have them use it to cut string, pick a card in a deck, as a magic wand, or to open a prediction envelope. (I have a beautiful set of old Merrill knives) It is left on the table between tricks. This sets up the knife as a regular pocket knife that any man would carry and use. At one point I will switch the knives and perform a few fancy color change moves with the white/blue knife (drawing attention to the new BLUE color). All moves come from Ascanio's World of Knives. After a couple of color changes (20 to 30 seconds at most) I switch the white/blue knife back to the white/white knife and just leave it on the table.

I have found that casual handling and use of the knife works for me. Good luck to you.
Message: Posted by: Bill Hegbli (Jul 14, 2016 05:47PM)
[quote]On Jul 12, 2016, motown wrote:
[quote]On Jul 11, 2016, Bill Hegbli wrote:
[quote]On Jul 11, 2016, motown wrote:
Bill, sorry, no disrespect, but your response is so typical. Thinking the entire world revolves around the English language. It's the typical ugly American response. You should've been able to figure out as I did that the OP's first language wasn't English. So cut him and anyone else who's first language some slack. [/quote]

If you would experience the world you should know almost all countries are taught English in school. They learn to print in block letters as well.

And if you read the Café rules it says to use English.

I have from being on the Café, members do not like anyone to assume anything about them. It is lose - Lose situation and your are not helping people thinking they are being insulted, when in fact, as represented they are not even a person, but a fake name, and that is all. They don't know or understand the idea of a fake persona on the Internet.

This is not about the English Language, but not posting a complete question, Mr. Oslund, assumed facts concerning his question, and you did not read my response and what I said correctly either.

I see you did not give the OP an answer, why not? Answer Corrado's question. [/quote] I rather respond to your rude treatment of him. Trust me, I've traveled outside the country many many times, have you? Judging by your statement I'm not so sure, because, your assumption is wrong. It's also ridiculous of you to think that every person who's first language isn't English can write as well as you can. Ever heard the term lost in translation? So, get off your soap box and try being more understanding. [/quote]

Yes, been in the military, been to numerous countries, civilians work on military bases. They do know English when it is advantageous to them. Most likely have more interaction with locals then you have.

And you are rude for your post as well, how about a little understanding. :)
Message: Posted by: tctahoe (Jul 15, 2016 05:51AM)
I have traveled extensively, I have interacted with many people from many countries, some speak English, so do not.
I find it sad that so many people are calling for understanding, without giving any.
Motown, thank you fir the wonderful link.
Message: Posted by: Mark Williams (Aug 26, 2020 08:51PM)
[quote]On Jul 10, 2016, Bill Hegbli wrote:
There are no routines or instructions for routines for only one knife in magic, to change the color.[/quote]


Actually, there is! One such routine was printed in the Linking Ring Magazine (September 1944). It uses just the one knife.


Best Magical Regards,

Mark Williams
Message: Posted by: Bill Hegbli (Sep 16, 2020 04:38PM)
[quote]On Aug 26, 2020, Mark Williams wrote:
[quote]On Jul 10, 2016, Bill Hegbli wrote:
There are no routines or instructions for routines for only one knife in magic, to change the color.[/quote]


Actually, there is! One such routine was printed in the Linking Ring Magazine (September 1944). It uses just the one knife.


Best Magical Regards,

Mark Williams [/quote]


Well, 1944, I wasn't born yet, so in three years, 1947, I did not join the IBM. Even if I could, you could no get back copies or download them yet. My mother would not let me play with knives, anyway.
Message: Posted by: Bill Hegbli (Sep 16, 2020 04:56PM)
[quote]On Jul 15, 2016, tctahoe wrote:
I have traveled extensively, I have interacted with many people from many countries, some speak English, so do not.
I find it sad that so many people are calling for understanding, without giving any.
Motown, thank you fir the wonderful link. [/quote]


The foreigners that do speak English and Write English want to learn. The foreigners that do not, don't want to learn and therefore forget what they were taught. Those that do, get work on the military bases, those that did not, didn't get hired. When in Vietnam, the military increased the value of the Vietnamese currency to more then the American dollar, so the countries currency value prospered the Vietnamese people.
Message: Posted by: TheAmbitiousCard (Sep 27, 2020 01:02AM)
Doc Eason’s routine uses just 1 knife if anyone cares.
Message: Posted by: Harry Murphy (Sep 27, 2020 04:57AM)
Meir Yedid mentioned that he performs a one knife routine when table hopping. It is unpublished at this time. He discussed it in one of his newsletters when promoting a "Hot Rod" style color changing knife. Meir's discussion of it in the newsletter is complete enough for someone to build a short routine.

I have a one knife routine using a Joe Mogar Hot Rod knife that is similar to Meir's (independently developed). It is based something that Joe Mogar was doing over 20 years ago at his dealer's booth when pitching the Hot Rod Knife. I haven't written my little routine up anywhere since it is basic and quick. I don't think Joe wrote up his little routine either. He sells two knife sets (and having a three knife set is better IMHO).

The reason I mention this is to suggest that developing a one-knife routine that is visual, fun, and magical just isn't that difficult.

As Frank just mentioned above, Doc Eason has published (on video) his one-knife routine. It is found on his DVD "After All These Years". Watch his routine here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CWu_EdlDC80