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Topic: Rubicon
Message: Posted by: Magicmike221 (Jul 13, 2016 01:18AM)
Rubicon by Gregory Wilson This looks like the one Garrett Thomas performed in the Ruskin a few years ago, Im assuming the hefty price reflects the workmanship involved, having Gresg's name on it I would think so....This could well be on my wish list.
Message: Posted by: Magicmike221 (Jul 13, 2016 01:22AM)
Https://thesecretsource.com/product/rubicon
Message: Posted by: tophatter (Jul 13, 2016 01:42AM)
So Cool Perfect for me I have been trying to solve the cube for years lol !
Message: Posted by: Doctor D (Jul 13, 2016 03:11AM)
This is most definitely NOT the version Garrett Thomas uses. Both look great, one has possibly influenced the other, but that's all there is.
Message: Posted by: Chris Meece (Jul 13, 2016 12:36PM)
It sounds like there is only one gimmick. I am curious about the matching the cube with the one the spectator "mixed." I do a version of this that doesn't require a gimmick, I assume this matches that. I wish we could see a full demonstration. I believe simply solving the cube to be worth the purchase price ... and I can't wrap my brain around the engineering needed.
Message: Posted by: Chris Meece (Jul 13, 2016 12:45PM)
Actually, I may be wrong. I just read this in the ad copy: Comes with everything you need to RUBICON your audience immediately: Two cubes. Precision-made gimmick. Customized performance box. Instructional streaming video. Adoring fans not included.
Message: Posted by: pegasus (Jul 13, 2016 01:38PM)
OMFG. That was amazing. I need to find cash to buy this ASAP.
Message: Posted by: pegasus (Jul 13, 2016 01:41PM)
The only thing nagging me is that Greg is a Ninja with his hands (switching) etc. I'd expect this to be self working, though, at the asking price.
Message: Posted by: Decomposed (Jul 13, 2016 01:43PM)
WOW! Yeah Greg with one hand behind his back, I may be able to labor through this with two. :goof:

WOnder what made him release it? Double wow....
Message: Posted by: Christopher Williams (Jul 13, 2016 05:04PM)
I was fortunate to get to jam work Greg one evening and he showed the workings to this, it's genius and will 100% be picking it up
Message: Posted by: Decomposed (Jul 13, 2016 05:13PM)
Keeping it out of novice hands for the higher price tag.

Thanks Christopher, is the gimmick pretty durable and made to last?

What is the learning curve on both phase 1 and the phase 2 matching? :worry:

Wow, I just watched the video for the umpteen time. Greg says you take back the cube AFTER THE SPEC HAS MIXED IT. That eliminates guessing on this one unless there is a switch and I did not gather that from the 2 minute plus video....
Message: Posted by: Decomposed (Jul 13, 2016 05:58PM)
Full performance, watch the second phase closely.

https://vimeo.com/171481592?from=outro-embed

He is really really fast, and sneaky. I got the sneaky down but the second phase, well, not everyone can be Greg Wilson..... :gossip: :fear:
Message: Posted by: MadisonH (Jul 13, 2016 06:54PM)
Super clever! Greg is the man!
Message: Posted by: emyers99 (Jul 13, 2016 10:53PM)
This is great. Seeing Greg do it live is a thing of beauty. Add me to the list. Wonder when it will ship
Message: Posted by: Decomposed (Jul 13, 2016 11:28PM)
AUGUST 1ST!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Up all night thinking about this one. :spoon:


Being told by some that it may not be a switch involved~!
Message: Posted by: Ustaad (Jul 13, 2016 11:32PM)
Interesting!

:xmas:
Message: Posted by: emyers99 (Jul 13, 2016 11:40PM)
[quote]On Jul 13, 2016, Decomposed wrote:
AUGUST 1ST!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Up all night thinking about this one. :spoon:


Being told by some that it may not be a switch involved~! [/quote]


Correct. There is no switch.
Message: Posted by: TuneHV (Jul 13, 2016 11:49PM)
[quote]On Jul 13, 2016, emyers99 wrote:
[quote]On Jul 13, 2016, Decomposed wrote:
AUGUST 1ST!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Up all night thinking about this one. :spoon:


Being told by some that it may not be a switch involved~! [/quote]


Correct. There is no switch. [/quote]

It looked like there was a switch for the 2nd phase of the routine after the spectator mixes a 2nd cube... is that not the case?
Message: Posted by: Mike ODonnell (Jul 13, 2016 11:58PM)
Looks very impressive, especially if there is no switch. I do something similar with a small cube that matches a regular one, but it's not as clean.
Message: Posted by: Ustaad (Jul 14, 2016 12:30AM)
[quote]On Jul 13, 2016, TuneHV wrote:

It looked like there was a switch for the 2nd phase of the routine after the spectator mixes a 2nd cube... is that not the case? [/quote]

In case there is a switch, then in that case this IMO is not worth the whooping $350 effect. There are quite a few cube effects using a clever switching technique.

It would be nice if the creator or the distributor can come and clear a few queries please.

:xmas:
Message: Posted by: pegasus (Jul 14, 2016 12:33AM)
Totally agree Ustaad. I'd be spitting feathers if that was the case.
Message: Posted by: dooblehorn (Jul 14, 2016 12:51AM)
This looks fantastic!
Just wondering, how does this differ from [url=https://www.vanishingincmagic.com/magic/close-up-magic/collaboration-cube/]Collaboration Cube[/url] which is 1/5 the price?
Message: Posted by: Decomposed (Jul 14, 2016 01:32AM)
Seems some disagreement on switch or not. I thought I saw one but then that makes no sense. Why? Because the AD says two cubes included......that would mean you would be using three cubes if a switch was in play would it not?
Message: Posted by: PendletonThe3rd (Jul 14, 2016 01:34AM)
Man, that looks amazing!

So this is the one that Garrett Thomas was using after all? The site description noted him as one of the five pros GW gave this routine to so that's the way I'm interpreting that tidbit.

Anyway, I'm definitely considering this though the price is steep and will only get steeper.

Question...the ad copy says that you get two cubes and a gimmick (the latter of which does "all the work"). Safe to assume that there is something to ditch and the cubes are otherwise normal? Or is it self contained in a gimmicked cube.

I guess for my needs, I'm hoping to determine if the price is for a technological wonder of a cube? Or is it really more for the routine?

Maybe it's both?

Worth it either way, but hoping it's a really cool prop at that price.
Message: Posted by: Decomposed (Jul 14, 2016 02:27AM)
I would think they are self contained. I think Garrett beta tested this one. Not the same as his. I had enchanted cube long ago. Having the spec mix it is really fantastic. Going to be a lot of speculation over the next few weeks but that is what makes the Café fun .....
Message: Posted by: Magicmike221 (Jul 14, 2016 04:21AM)
[quote]On Jul 14, 2016, Decomposed wrote:
I would think they are self contained. I think Garrett beta tested this one. Not the same as his. I had enchanted cube long ago. Having the spec mix it is really fantastic. Going to be a lot of speculation over the next few weeks but that is what makes the Café fun ..... [/quote]

Yes its looking like Garrett may have b/tested this, whether that is the case is not I would welcome this into my repertoire without hesitation, hell would pay twice the advertised price!! as this is without a shadow of a doubt one hell of a reputation maker.
Message: Posted by: Roslyn (Jul 14, 2016 04:44AM)
Https://vimeo.com/171481592?from=outro-embed
Message: Posted by: Roslyn (Jul 14, 2016 05:00AM)
Clever stuff. But after watching the full performance video (link above) it's not for me. Very clever though.
Message: Posted by: Decomposed (Jul 14, 2016 07:16AM)
Why not Roslyn may I ask? This piece has kept me up all night! :dance:
Message: Posted by: Ustaad (Jul 14, 2016 09:18AM)
[quote]On Jul 14, 2016, Roslyn wrote:

Clever stuff. But after watching the full performance video (link above) it's not for me. Very clever though. [/quote]

After watching the video I agree with Roslyn. It's clever but . . . :rolleyes: :worry:

:xmas:
Message: Posted by: Ustaad (Jul 14, 2016 11:30AM)
[quote]On Jul 14, 2016, Decomposed wrote:

[b]Why not Roslyn may I ask? This piece has kept me up all night![/b] :dance: [/quote]

@ Decomposed: The answer is THIS:-

[quote]On Jul 13, 2016, Decomposed wrote:

Full performance, watch the second phase closely.

https://vimeo.com/171481592?from=outro-embed

[b]He is really really fast, and sneaky.[/b] I got the sneaky down but the second phase, well, not everyone can be Greg Wilson..... :gossip: :fear: [/quote]

:bg:

:xmas:
Message: Posted by: David Klass (Jul 14, 2016 11:34AM)
I love the look of this!!

I do have a couple of questions before buying though.

I would like to know if there really is no cube-solving involved (even in phase one).

My feeling is that by saying "No legitimate cube-solving necessary" that may mean it's not necessary if you don't perform phase 1.

Also, I would like to know the reset. Do you have to genuinely solve the cube to reset it for the next performance?
Message: Posted by: Ypnoze (Jul 14, 2016 01:13PM)
I think that you can do the effect without having to know how to solve a cube, although I think it's always better to know how to do so, specially that it's not that hard to do

My question about this is :

- Can we freely handle the cube after solving it, can we give it to a spectator after each phase?
Message: Posted by: Decomposed (Jul 14, 2016 01:22PM)
I have more questions then answers. I do not think you need to be able to solve the cube at all. Possibly for Cube 3 you do?
Message: Posted by: Decomposed (Jul 14, 2016 01:53PM)
Some great questions Ypnoze and David! The more I watch the video, the more I think that its possible no one is 100 percent on this one!! :confused:


SLowing down the one handed behind the back looks like, ummm real magic? I may need to watch again, (have not slept) but it does not appear to be solving....it just happens? Maybe after slumber I will watch again...
Message: Posted by: Decomposed (Jul 14, 2016 02:31PM)
Danny,

I also wanted this to be self working, I know how you feel. I am pretty lousy at solving the cube, I even messed up the Enchanted Cube more then one time lol.....It will take some work and practice like anything I reckon that is good. My worries are that I would mess it up and not remember how to get it together again lol.

Decomposing Plastic :(
Message: Posted by: RNK (Jul 14, 2016 02:40PM)
Looks fantastic! Might have to pre-order this to save the $100.00!
Message: Posted by: Decomposed (Jul 14, 2016 03:19PM)
[quote]On Jul 14, 2016, RNK wrote:
Looks fantastic! Might have to pre-order this to save the $100.00! [/quote]

Yes I know how you feel Bob, $100 smackers is a big savings....
Message: Posted by: derekostovani (Jul 14, 2016 04:29PM)
[quote]On Jul 13, 2016, Decomposed wrote:
Full performance, watch the second phase closely.

https://vimeo.com/171481592?from=outro-embed

He is really really fast, and sneaky. I got the sneaky down but the second phase, well, not everyone can be Greg Wilson..... :gossip: :fear: [/quote]


When you watch the second phase, it doesn't look like he switches anything, yet I believe he ADDS to the existing mixed up cube. It's probably a type of shell.
Message: Posted by: qkeli (Jul 14, 2016 04:37PM)
Hi,

I was lucky to see Greg wilson perform this a long time ago....the effect is crazy, really !
Message: Posted by: RNK (Jul 14, 2016 04:41PM)
[quote]On Jul 14, 2016, Decomposed wrote:
[quote]On Jul 14, 2016, RNK wrote:
Looks fantastic! Might have to pre-order this to save the $100.00! [/quote]

Yes I know how you feel Bob, $100 smackers is a big savings.... [/quote]

Do you know how I'm going to feel when my wife finds out I am spending more money on magic!?!?
Message: Posted by: PendletonThe3rd (Jul 14, 2016 04:50PM)
Ha! that's usually the case for me too. Interestingly, last night, when I showed the wifey she was like "you got to get this"!!!!

Though I have the permission, I'm still on the fence...it's a lot of ducats to drop down! And like many, still have so many questions that hopefully I can resolve before the 8/1 price hike!
Message: Posted by: Decomposed (Jul 14, 2016 05:09PM)
HA, hopefully we will hear soon from the distributor.....Greg is a standup dude and do not think he would post something not true. He kept this under wraps for many years.....He may have the last laugh on all the speculation from others who are much more perceptive then I. :bg: :angelflying:
Message: Posted by: jaizon (Jul 14, 2016 08:49PM)
I could be wrong, but the cube face show at 2:32 (full video) never appears again and there (seems) to be a switch at around 2:38. What does that mean? No idea. Just something I noticed. I'm still leaning toward getting it but I want to be sure I can do it.
Message: Posted by: dooblehorn (Jul 14, 2016 09:34PM)
[quote]On Jul 14, 2016, jaizon wrote:
I could be wrong, but the cube face show at 2:32 (full video) never appears again and there (seems) to be a switch at around 2:38. What does that mean? No idea. Just something I noticed. I'm still leaning toward getting it but I want to be sure I can do it. [/quote]

yes, agreed, am also leaning toward getting it. Just wanna make sure us mere mortals (i.e.-not superman Greg Wilson) can do it. And it still looks a lot like Collaboration Cube, IMO.
Message: Posted by: Decomposed (Jul 14, 2016 11:05PM)
The jury still out but interest is growing. Spectator is allowed to mix the cube and Greg says in under 10 seconds you can solve the cube by not looking at it one handed. This is possible with another method mentioned (albeit some definite practice and work at least for me) but not with the spectator mixing first. Stay tuned!
Message: Posted by: Decomposed (Jul 14, 2016 11:45PM)
Check this video out, notice the spectator is holding tight the cube that is mixed and ends up matching...Nice


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WDtkgdj_ZQA


I think this was released or was going to be released..... So Greg's method is definitely a good one but there are some out there that requires cube knowledge....
Message: Posted by: Xcath1 (Jul 14, 2016 11:52PM)
That Steve Brundage video has been edited. Watch him on AGT for a full performance
Message: Posted by: jamo425 (Jul 15, 2016 12:00AM)
Normally I'd be against carrying around such a bulky item to a walk around/tablehopping gig.. but this just looks too good not to! I can definitely see this being a big reputation maker. Performing this alone would probably land you some gigs. If you're a worker then this will probably pay for itself in no time. If you do parlor, this is perfect closing material.

Now... to find a way to come up with the money before August 1st!
Message: Posted by: tophatter (Jul 15, 2016 12:17AM)
I wanted the cube to be computerized & it just solves by Itself & the rest is acting ! Not kidding here for the price tag oh well ! seems you have to know how to solve the cube .
Message: Posted by: pepka (Jul 15, 2016 02:08AM)
This looks good. Almost too good. If it were $100 I'd take the shot but at that price I'll wait for a few reviews.
Message: Posted by: Christopher Williams (Jul 15, 2016 03:24AM)
Guys why are potential methods being thrown around in this open thread!? Geeeeeeeeeez! If you like the look of it, like the sound of the conditions as listed by Greg, and have the cash, then get it! I can promise you won't be disappointed. If you would rather wait than spend that kind of money, then wait. Yes it is $100 more if you wait, but there is a reason it has been priced at what it is, but to see what some people are writing here is ridiculous. Either take it downstairs or email Greg yourself your concerns
Message: Posted by: Gregory Wilson (Jul 15, 2016 05:17AM)
Gentlemen,

I will answer all of your questions and concerns in the next day or two as I am completely bleary-eyed with four hours sleep in the last 48 hours. This is due to the incredible response of Rubicon as I've been processing orders and answering individual emails from all over the world. I am frankly blown away by the attention and amount of sales. Either $250 was the magic number/sweet spot or $100 off was the real convincer.

Check in soon.
Message: Posted by: DutchFrank (Jul 15, 2016 08:09AM)
[quote]On Jul 14, 2016, Roslyn wrote:
Https://vimeo.com/171481592?from=outro-embed [/quote]

Video is set to private...
Message: Posted by: Decomposed (Jul 15, 2016 09:33AM)
[quote]On Jul 15, 2016, Gregory Wilson wrote:
Gentlemen,

I will answer all of your questions and concerns in the next day or two as I am completely bleary-eyed with four hours sleep in the last 48 hours. This is due to the incredible response of Rubicon as I've been processing orders and answering individual emails from all over the world. I am frankly blown away by the attention and amount of sales. Either $250 was the magic number/sweet spot or $100 off was the real convincer.

Check in soon. [/quote]

Excellent.....I figure about half a mil when the singing is done....this may be the killer effect some are saying...
:wavey:
Message: Posted by: BlakeAdams (Jul 15, 2016 11:28AM)
Yea why is the video private
Message: Posted by: Decomposed (Jul 15, 2016 11:32AM)
[quote]On Jul 15, 2016, BlakeAdams wrote:
Yea why is the video private [/quote]

It worked early, unsure.
:ridinghorse:
Message: Posted by: David Klass (Jul 15, 2016 11:35AM)
I'm guessing it has been made private due to everyone watching in slow motion and guessing at methods.
Message: Posted by: Decomposed (Jul 15, 2016 11:36AM)
[quote]On Jul 15, 2016, David Klass wrote:
I'm guessing it has been made private due to everyone watching in slow motion and guessing at methods. [/quote]

Makes sense.


Anyway, here is one comment from FB:

"The Routine is so good that Greg carries the cube in his pocket! Yes! in Summertime... & you will too!!"
Message: Posted by: Ustaad (Jul 15, 2016 11:42AM)
[quote]On Jul 15, 2016, Christopher Williams wrote:

[b]* Guys why are potential methods being thrown around in this open thread!? Geeeeeeeeeez![/b]
[/quote]

The Latest & Greatest Section is an open area of the Café. If a thread is posted in this Section, it is understood that one is free to speculate until the product/effect has been finally released. And hence the creator needn't get perturbed on such speculations. We all know that a magician is a very inquisitive being. He wants to know/learn the secret of any effect that comes to his notice. He spends sleepless nights just to understand/find out all about the working of an effect. And if his curiosity isn't satisfied, he will go all out and readily spend a few hundred dollars just to know - HOW (?), irrespective of whether the effect is for him or not. This section also serves as a very effective media for pre-release publicity.

Hence I humbly request not to stop people from commenting/speculating on the effect/methods/etc. In case the intention of the creator was to guard against any speculation, then the topic shouldn't have been posted in this section. Rather, as you rightly said:-

[quote]On Jul 15, 2016, Christopher Williams wrote:

[b]* Either take it downstairs or email Greg yourself your concerns[/b] [/quote]

BTW IMO, a DIYer can achieve the same effect easily by spending a meager sum of $30 & a little practice with no slights involved. But that's another story . . . so I leave it there . . . :)

Thank you and continue please! ;)

:xmas:
Message: Posted by: Decomposed (Jul 15, 2016 12:22PM)
Another review from FB page....

I have pre-ordered mine long way back at Blackpool. If you see this live, it's a pure miracle. Cleverly designed and absolutely practical. You will be ashamed to get the applause because it really is so easy to do, in comparison with other methods and techniques for similar effects. So all focus on presentation and entertainment. It doesn't get any beter! Greg rules
Message: Posted by: David Klass (Jul 15, 2016 01:08PM)
Decomposed, could you let us know what the FB page or group is called please?

Thank you
Message: Posted by: Decomposed (Jul 15, 2016 01:20PM)
Hi David,

Its not a group. Its Gregory Wilson page. On there half way down you see the video for Rubicon and view comments. I am friends with him (along with about 2200 magicians lol).

Anyway, he answered some questions on there and for me, one of the biggest factors is ease of use. I am cube challenged. Here is his latest response:

"MUCH easier than Cube 3. So easy THAT I CAN DO IT and I can't solve a cube!!!"



I have only had Enchanted cube which was gimmicked. At first I thought I really wanted another gimmicked cube albeit, different. Now, I am thinking it may be better to have a speed cube that is not gimmicked if it is EASY to do. I mean watching Greg do it one handed behind the back is incredible. Heck, doing it one handed in front without looking to me is magic. I don't know if it is a special system he has or gimmick applied etc but guess we will all know the answers soon.
Message: Posted by: tophatter (Jul 15, 2016 01:21PM)
So you don't have to know how to solve the cube ? If the cube gets mixed do you have to bring it back to the solved position ?
Thanks,
Jeffrey
Message: Posted by: MadisonH (Jul 15, 2016 01:37PM)
Appears to me that the solve is I gimmicked.

It appears the gimmick is used for the second phase where the cubes match. I'm fairly certain I know what the gimmick is, and it is genius. Greg is devilishly brilliant.
Message: Posted by: Daren (Jul 15, 2016 01:38PM)
So does the package come with the two cubes to perform the matching part of the routine? Or do you need to go out and also buy the cubes?
Message: Posted by: Ypnoze (Jul 15, 2016 01:40PM)
In the ad copy it says ut comes with two cubes
Message: Posted by: Daren (Jul 15, 2016 01:46PM)
Ah ok thanks, looks great!!
Message: Posted by: Decomposed (Jul 15, 2016 02:37PM)
Yes ungimmicked two cubes included. I see what Tophatter is saying. From a cube challenged viewpoint, at this point that is one of the biggest factors for me. I use to have to replace stickers etc for my last gimmick. I am right brained all the way, can act but cannot solve lol.

I see phase 1 being for more people like me. Phase 2 is for anyone and entirely awesome. Even if some of us know how it works, think about what the spectator sees. And how easy or difficult to get in and out of the business....

Greg is a ninja, a chick magnet and pretty much has some things he has guarded now is having a time packing and cracking to get these out the door August 1st.


And now for the biggest question for all (not how the stinking thing works) is will the price really go up on Augusto Uno? :worry:
Message: Posted by: Ustaad (Jul 15, 2016 06:54PM)
[quote]On Jul 15, 2016, Decomposed wrote:

[b]Even if some of us know how it works, think about what the spectator sees.[/b]
[/quote]

That's it! You said it!! ;)

It is the final effect that matters and NOT how its achieved. :)

:xmas:
Message: Posted by: korttihai_82 (Jul 15, 2016 08:58PM)
Finland was one of the first places Wilson did this on tv. That was years ago and at that time it was just matching routine. Wilson also workshopped on this after his lecture at Helsinki with those 10 or so who attented after lecture sessions. Its clever but what you receive is more on Bob Kohler proline prices than common magic shop prices. Of course 2 quality cubes, carrying box and gaff can easily add up to 80-100$ but knowing exactly what this is I have to say that I was somewhat surprised on the price.

However, in the end it doesn't matter. Name one Wilson product that doesn't deliver... I personally cant. He has put out just workers and knowing that he has worked this easily at least a decade this will be a joy to workers and because of the high price it wont be done by every amateur and hobbyist. I might consider picking this up from Wilson in two weeks when he comes to Finland :)

Juha-Matti
Message: Posted by: Ustaad (Jul 15, 2016 09:14PM)
[quote]On Jul 15, 2016, korttihai_82 wrote:

[b]Its clever but what you receive is more on Bob Kohler proline prices than common magic shop prices. Of course 2 quality cubes, carrying box and gaff can easily add up to 80-100$ but knowing exactly what this is I have to say that I was somewhat surprised on the price.[/b]
[/quote]

. . . . and two days ago this is what I wrote to one of my friends and may I please quote:-

[quote]

[b][I]I am sure that lot of people are going to be very unhappy to see their hard earned $350 taken away by selling two speed cubes and a (~~ EDITED ~~) gimmick. People are not going to be happy getting a few dollars worth of item.

Also if my thinking is correct, you will soon see this at a fraction of the price on the Chinese magic sites.[/I][/b]
[/quote]

[quote]On Jul 15, 2016, korttihai_82 wrote:

[b]. . . and because of the high price it wont be done by every amateur and hobbyist. [/b]
[/quote]

Rather on the contrary, to avoid rip-offs of their product, it would be better if the creators and distributors learn to keep their prices reasonable and more realistic - The sooner the better. Else they will soon face the might of the great Dragon and their so called [b]highly exclusive product[/b] will be in the hands of every amateur and hobbyist (sad but unavoidable true fact). Thus the product will soon loose its exclusivity.

My thoughts please.

:xmas:
Message: Posted by: Xcath1 (Jul 15, 2016 09:52PM)
I speculate you are paying for a switching gimmick, not a gimmicked cube, but what do I know
Message: Posted by: jaizon (Jul 15, 2016 10:10PM)
[quote]On Jul 15, 2016, Xcath1 wrote:
I speculate you are paying for a switching gimmick, not a gimmicked cube, but what do I know [/quote]

Can you see a switch when he does the one handed solve?
Message: Posted by: Decomposed (Jul 15, 2016 10:14PM)
[quote]On Jul 15, 2016, korttihai_82 wrote:
Finland was one of the first places Wilson did this on tv. That was years ago and at that time it was just matching routine. Wilson also workshopped on this after his lecture at Helsinki with those 10 or so who attented after lecture sessions. Its clever but what you receive is more on Bob Kohler proline prices than common magic shop prices. Of course 2 quality cubes, carrying box and gaff can easily add up to 80-100$ but knowing exactly what this is I have to say that I was somewhat surprised on the price.

However, in the end it doesn't matter. Name one Wilson product that doesn't deliver... I personally cant. He has put out just workers and knowing that he has worked this easily at least a decade this will be a joy to workers and because of the high price it wont be done by every amateur and hobbyist. I might consider picking this up from Wilson in two weeks when he comes to Finland :)

Juha-Matti [/quote]


Customized premium carrying box......
:heckno:
Message: Posted by: Xcath1 (Jul 15, 2016 10:14PM)
No but nor do I see an unedited performance of an audience mixed cube handed back to him and solved. The full performance which has since been made private does not show that either
Message: Posted by: Xcath1 (Jul 15, 2016 10:22PM)
Or a gimmicked cube that's looks mixed but is solved with simple twists. That makes more sense for the money. Hmmm a cube that you mixed behind your back could be gimmicked to only mix certain ways. That could look good. I love the speculation.
Message: Posted by: Decomposed (Jul 15, 2016 10:27PM)
[quote]On Jul 15, 2016, Xcath1 wrote:
Or a gimmicked cube that's looks mixed but is solved with simple twists. That makes more sense for the money. Hmmm a cube that you mixed behind your back could be gimmicked to only mix certain ways. That could look good. I love the speculation. [/quote]

I love the speculation also.... The Café is the best place on the Internut for that. And also the good coffee.
:stircoffee:
Message: Posted by: Decomposed (Jul 15, 2016 10:37PM)
[quote]On Jul 15, 2016, Xcath1 wrote:
Or a gimmicked cube that's looks mixed but is solved with simple twists. That makes more sense for the money. Hmmm a cube that you mixed behind your back could be gimmicked to only mix certain ways. That could look good. I love the speculation. [/quote]

I think it was the Enchanted Cube I purchased from Hank Lee years ago. Cant remember cause I lost the instructions and messed up the cube. Anyway it had the 4-5 turns and it was solved. It was gimmicked. It was not a speed cube however and no way to do it one handed or behind the back.

I think its safe to say these are two normal albeit premium speed cubes. Watching the now private video over and over, he must have a nice easy method of doing this since the AD says over and over its super easy and no knowledge of how to solve the cubes is needed. Is it something original? I figure he will give credit to someone who has released or posted the method soon enough. Whatever that part of it is, without a ton of practice, I know there must be something secretive to it or it would not be so easy to do.


All that said, it may be something added to the normal speed cube. :fyi:
Message: Posted by: Justin Lewis (Jul 15, 2016 10:52PM)
The first clip of Greg solving behind his back is the stong moment for me! Very cool stuff
Message: Posted by: saysold1 (Jul 15, 2016 11:33PM)
[quote]On Jul 15, 2016, Ustaad wrote:
[quote]On Jul 15, 2016, korttihai_82 wrote:

[b]Its clever but what you receive is more on Bob Kohler proline prices than common magic shop prices. Of course 2 quality cubes, carrying box and gaff can easily add up to 80-100$ but knowing exactly what this is I have to say that I was somewhat surprised on the price.[/b]
[/quote]

. . . . and two days ago this is what I wrote to one of my friends and may I please quote:-

[quote]

[b][I]I am sure that lot of people are going to be very unhappy to see their hard earned $350 taken away by selling two speed cubes and a (~~ EDITED ~~) gimmick. People are not going to be happy getting a few dollars worth of item.

Also if my thinking is correct, you will soon see this at a fraction of the price on the Chinese magic sites.[/I][/b]
[/quote]

[quote]On Jul 15, 2016, korttihai_82 wrote:

[b]. . . and because of the high price it wont be done by every amateur and hobbyist. [/b]
[/quote]

Rather on the contrary, to avoid rip-offs of their product, it would be better if the creators and distributors learn to keep their prices reasonable and more realistic - The sooner the better. Else they will soon face the might of the great Dragon and their so called [b]highly exclusive product[/b] will be in the hands of every amateur and hobbyist (sad but unavoidable true fact). Thus the product will soon loose its exclusivity.

My thoughts please.

:xmas: [/quote]

Price seems kinda high for a few Chinese made speed cubes and something extra.

Looks like Greg should pull in near $100K in short order.

Of course it's a worker and likely clever but I agree the copycats will be on this quickly. Maybe that's the point - no BS with Murphy's - fast money before it gets inevitably ripped.
Message: Posted by: Karl M (Jul 16, 2016 12:24AM)
He showed me it in blackpool so I know how its done and it clever,but Ill wait for a cheaper one to come out first before I buy it I think
Message: Posted by: MadisonH (Jul 16, 2016 12:36AM)
[quote]On Jul 16, 2016, Karl M wrote:
He showed me it in blackpool so I know how its done and it clever,but Ill wait for a cheaper one to come out first before I buy it I think [/quote]


So you're going to wait for the knock off to come out?...
Message: Posted by: Decomposed (Jul 16, 2016 12:37AM)
[quote]On Jul 15, 2016, saysold1 wrote:
[quote]On Jul 15, 2016, Ustaad wrote:
[quote]On Jul 15, 2016, korttihai_82 wrote:

[b]Its clever but what you receive is more on Bob Kohler proline prices than common magic shop prices. Of course 2 quality cubes, carrying box and gaff can easily add up to 80-100$ but knowing exactly what this is I have to say that I was somewhat surprised on the price.[/b]
[/quote]

. . . . and two days ago this is what I wrote to one of my friends and may I please quote:-

[quote]

[b][I]I am sure that lot of people are going to be very unhappy to see their hard earned $350 taken away by selling two speed cubes and a (~~ EDITED ~~) gimmick. People are not going to be happy getting a few dollars worth of item.

Also if my thinking is correct, you will soon see this at a fraction of the price on the Chinese magic sites.[/I][/b]
[/quote]

[quote]On Jul 15, 2016, korttihai_82 wrote:

[b]. . . and because of the high price it wont be done by every amateur and hobbyist. [/b]
[/quote]

Rather on the contrary, to avoid rip-offs of their product, it would be better if the creators and distributors learn to keep their prices reasonable and more realistic - The sooner the better. Else they will soon face the might of the great Dragon and their so called [b]highly exclusive product[/b] will be in the hands of every amateur and hobbyist (sad but unavoidable true fact). Thus the product will soon loose its exclusivity.

My thoughts please.

:xmas: [/quote]

Price seems kinda high for a few Chinese made speed cubes and something extra.

Looks like Greg should pull in near $100K in short order.

Of course it's a worker and likely clever but I agree the copycats will be on this quickly. Maybe that's the point - no BS with Murphy's - fast money before it gets inevitably ripped. [/quote]

'Im thinking more like $200 to $250 Brett but I may be off a few hundred. Seriously, he is releasing his routine also....been doing it for years. Look at Exact Change. That thing is a killer. Is the gimmick cheap? Sure it is. Does it bring gasps? You bet it does. I hear Greg has slept only a few hours in the last few days getting Rubes packed and cracked.

Justin I agree, that behind the back to a none Cuber like me is a thing of beauty. Does it take months of practice? Greg says no. Like my friend said above, something really nice would be a gimmicked cube that only turns a few ways and it becomes solved. For the ones cube challenged like me.
Message: Posted by: Justin Lewis (Jul 16, 2016 12:41AM)
I think this will be great! Methodes for me isn't as important as result.
I won't invest countless hours learning "solve work" so this will
Help me tremendously I think.
Message: Posted by: Decomposed (Jul 16, 2016 12:43AM)
[quote]On Jul 16, 2016, Justin Lewis wrote:
I think this will be great! Methodes for me isn't as important as result.
I won't invest countless hours learning "solve work" so this will
Help me tremendously I think. [/quote]


Well said Justin , Well said. :applause:
Message: Posted by: ash2arani (Jul 16, 2016 12:49AM)
That is interesting indeed. Unless Greg has kept parts of the routine undisclosed, it seems those in the know have deemed it expensive.

Still, being able to do that without any cube knowledge is great. Some may even use that fact to their advantage.

As for cheaper versions, those are inevitable. Even cheap gimmicks are found at fractions of the price. There will always be those who will buy those (not judging, just pointing out).

With all that said, I love this. It fits who I am. I have played with the cube and do some of the previously published effects in the past year but not in gigs yet. This seems to fit a routine I have put on the back burner for a while.

I looking forward to see how this unfolds.
Message: Posted by: Decomposed (Jul 16, 2016 01:16AM)
[quote]On Jul 16, 2016, ash2arani wrote:
That is interesting indeed. Unless Greg has kept parts of the routine undisclosed, it seems those in the know have deemed it expensive.

Still, being able to do that without any cube knowledge is great. Some may even use that fact to their advantage.

As for cheaper versions, those are inevitable. Even cheap gimmicks are found at fractions of the price. There will always be those who will buy those (not judging, just pointing out).

With all that said, I love this. It fits who I am. I have played with the cube and do some of the previously published effects in the past year but not in gigs yet. This seems to fit a routine I have put on the back burner for a while.

I looking forward to see how this unfolds. [/quote]

My sentiments exactly. Gig wise, anything cube related fits my persona exactly! When I saw this, I was stoked to say the least. Sure I wanted some of what I wanted it to be. Still not sure on all that but I need a creator to come up with something, easy to do, spectators will love, fits mentalist and magicians alike, not take a ton of practice to learn. This seems to fit. Will another cube come out that does some incredible things and have a gimmick that does all the work? Maybe, but don't hold your breath. I have searched and my radar has been up for many years. Still if it does exists, its being kept under wraps. Perhaps it is very difficult to make or those who have it will keep it as the holy grail. For now, this, like Greg is causing me to lose sleep.
:napping:
Message: Posted by: Decomposed (Jul 16, 2016 01:36AM)
Here is some speculation. My guess is 90 percent of magicians/performers have OCD.

I am all over this cube effect. Its who I am.

:spoon:
Message: Posted by: markhitton (Jul 16, 2016 04:04AM)
[quote]On Jul 15, 2016, Ustaad wrote:
[quote]On Jul 15, 2016, korttihai_82 wrote:

[b]Its clever but what you receive is more on Bob Kohler proline prices than common magic shop prices. Of course 2 quality cubes, carrying box and gaff can easily add up to 80-100$ but knowing exactly what this is I have to say that I was somewhat surprised on the price.[/b]
[/quote]

. . . . and two days ago this is what I wrote to one of my friends and may I please quote:-

[quote]

[b][I]I am sure that lot of people are going to be very unhappy to see their hard earned $350 taken away by selling two speed cubes and a (~~ EDITED ~~) gimmick. People are not going to be happy getting a few dollars worth of item.

Also if my thinking is correct, you will soon see this at a fraction of the price on the Chinese magic sites.[/I][/b]
[/quote]

[quote]On Jul 15, 2016, korttihai_82 wrote:

[b]. . . and because of the high price it wont be done by every amateur and hobbyist. [/b]
[/quote]

Rather on the contrary, to avoid rip-offs of their product, it would be better if the creators and distributors learn to keep their prices reasonable and more realistic - The sooner the better. Else they will soon face the might of the great Dragon and their so called [b]highly exclusive product[/b] will be in the hands of every amateur and hobbyist (sad but unavoidable true fact). Thus the product will soon loose its exclusivity.

My thoughts please.

:xmas: [/quote]



I totally agree with Ustaad 👍✌
:hotcoffee:
Message: Posted by: markhitton (Jul 16, 2016 04:07AM)
The last Ustaad sequence about the exclusivity should make rethink the creators about this high price selling method :stircoffee:
Message: Posted by: Karl M (Jul 16, 2016 05:59AM)
[quote]On Jul 16, 2016, MadisonH wrote:
[quote]On Jul 16, 2016, Karl M wrote:
He showed me it in blackpool so I know how its done and it clever,but Ill wait for a cheaper one to come out first before I buy it I think [/quote]


So you're going to wait for the knock off to come out?... [/quote]
What knock off one? why are you given me the banjo?
Message: Posted by: saysold1 (Jul 16, 2016 10:23AM)
I will say this looks very very very impressive
Message: Posted by: Infographicmagicreviews (Jul 16, 2016 10:31AM)
The price is a little out of reach. Which I like. If Greg asks for this price, he will deliver!
Message: Posted by: Justin Lewis (Jul 16, 2016 10:40AM)
Price can be a shocking thing for many, however; let's keep in mind what a creator has to do to get his or her routine/effect up and running.
Creating/ manufacturing and marketing adds up and I personally would never go through the above without a 50-60
Percent margin of profit or even more!
Just my humble thoughts
Justin.
Message: Posted by: saysold1 (Jul 16, 2016 01:21PM)
[quote]On Jul 16, 2016, Justin Lewis wrote:
Price can be a shocking thing for many, however; let's keep in mind what a creator has to do to get his or her routine/effect up and running.
Creating/ manufacturing and marketing adds up and I personally would never go through the above without a 50-60
Percent margin of profit or even more!
Just my humble thoughts
Justin. [/quote]

So true. I am awaiting reviews from you and Luke
Message: Posted by: Decomposed (Jul 16, 2016 01:55PM)
[quote]On Jul 16, 2016, Justin Lewis wrote:
Price can be a shocking thing for many, however; let's keep in mind what a creator has to do to get his or her routine/effect up and running.
Creating/ manufacturing and marketing adds up and I personally would never go through the above without a 50-60
Percent margin of profit or even more!
Just my humble thoughts
Justin. [/quote]


ALso, Greg has to pay all those babes he has packaging these up for shipment on 1 August. :whatever:
Message: Posted by: Decomposed (Jul 16, 2016 01:56PM)
[quote]On Jul 16, 2016, saysold1 wrote:
[quote]On Jul 16, 2016, Justin Lewis wrote:
Price can be a shocking thing for many, however; let's keep in mind what a creator has to do to get his or her routine/effect up and running.
Creating/ manufacturing and marketing adds up and I personally would never go through the above without a 50-60
Percent margin of profit or even more!
Just my humble thoughts
Justin. [/quote]

So true. I am awaiting reviews from you and Luke [/quote]


But could it be $350 by then? Its a $100 bet Brett.
Message: Posted by: jaizon (Jul 16, 2016 02:40PM)
If you buy early and don't like it you can resell it after it goes to regular price and probably still break even.

Also, does anyone know if you have to use the gimmick for the first part? Or is it used only if you do both parts? Or is the gimmick self contained within one of the cubes? I don't really expect an answer but I thought I'd pose the questions.
Message: Posted by: Decomposed (Jul 16, 2016 02:50PM)
Good questions Jaizon....


For all the buyers, you might as well get a head start on Cube Maintenance:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6AodkIAQ6yI&list=PLVE0Oz4ggE920ki-J2OX-Wtdh5DLwMqSE&index=6
Message: Posted by: Justin Lewis (Jul 16, 2016 02:55PM)
I think I'll buy more cubes at that point! Lol
Message: Posted by: Justin Lewis (Jul 16, 2016 03:22PM)
I think this is great but if there is any big solving at any phase I don't think this would be for me.
A good friend puts it this way. " is the juice worth the squeeze"
lol 😉👍🏻
Message: Posted by: Gregory Wilson (Jul 16, 2016 03:44PM)
First, gentlemen, thank you so much for your interest in Rubicon!

I am loving your collective curiosity and speculation as to the method. Brace yourselves now for way too much information as I answer some of your questions and concerns:

No, this is not the Garrett Thomas or Steve Brundage methodology. They both use a thing called, uh, skill.

My one-handed solve requires no complex algorithms or memorization of any kind. So, this should take only hours to learn, NOT MONTHS, allowing time for presentation and female companionship on the side! It's just turn twist, turn twist, turn twist. After the "switch" and a few slight wrist movements, this SUPER SIMPLE "turn twist" maneuver is perfectly concealed -- all hidden in plain sight. For those who think that it's something electronic, you're giving me way too much credit!

Frankly, my suggestion is to look into ALL of the marketed versions to create the quintessential routine with your own signature on it. But, if you want an intellectual and theatrical shortcut, Rubicon is so stupid easy to execute that a cognitively-challenged dunce like me can do it and I CAN'T SOLVE A CUBE!!!

I've mostly overcome the idiot-proof guilt over the years, but it still hurts a little to know that I get so much credit for so little effort. As, Karl Hein puts it: "You look like a genius without being one!" And Garrett Thomas says, "The hardest part is not laughing as you do this!" And someone on the Café, who is familiar with the method, amusingly chimed in, "You'll feel ashamed to accept your applause."

I should also mention that this fits magicians AND mentalists, as the presentational conceit can be magic, coincidence, prediction or psychological influence. For this or other mental routines, I have a line that you're welcome to use: "The best way to predict the future is to persuade it."

Regarding the self-contained gimmick, it is so flawlessly deceptive that you can perform Rubicon close up and surrounded after passing out magnifying glasses! It even comes with a premium performance box for stand-up or close-up. The routine is so strong and versatile that it actually warrants carrying a bulky box that does not fit in your pockets for walkaround. You simply introduce it at the beginning of your set to create curiosity and anticipation by handing it to someone at the outset, as you say: "We'll save this little miracle for the big finish."

Regarding the not-so cheap purchase price, there are numerous reasons and motivations:

1) Keeps it out of the hands of the mere curious and the Johnny Youtubers who just can't help themselves.
2) Been my reputation-making Holy Grail for over ten years.
3) Flawlessly deceptive state-of-the-art gimmick that only recently became available due to the latest in advanced technology.
4) This is your entry into an exclusive and elite club who view Rubicon as an investment and not an expense.
5) Beyond the years of performance time, this took months of arduous planning, preparation and opportunity cost to put on the market.

Mostly what you're paying for is an arduously audience-tested performance piece to instantly add 5-7 minutes to your show. What is that worth to you? When I started doing stand-up magic in 1993, I would have killed to have something like this!!!

The gimmick itself is durable and should last a lifetime, but if it breaks I will honor a replacement warranty for free. And, if Rubicon does not suit your needs in any way, for any reason, I will fully refund every penny -- no questions asked!

As far as shipping, the only thing missing right now are the customized stickers, which are tracked to be here on July 21st and easily shipped out by August 1st. I say customized, by the way, since I chose these particular colors to avoid any trademark/copyright infringement on the patented Rubik's Cube color combination/configuration. I should also mention that the two cubes are also customized from scratch to be the perfect balance of loose and tight. Loose enough to operate smoothly like a speed cube but tight enough to fit the gimmick consistently and effortlessly.

One gentleman on the Café posted that the prices of magic products should be lowered to prevent any knock-offs or copycats. My experience of human nature tells me exactly the opposite, as it doesn't matter how steep or low the price is when the pirates have wickedly deceitful hearts and dollar signs in their eyes.

In closing, I couldn't believe my eyes when I read the brazenly open comments that some magicians will wait for the eventual knockoff version of Rubicon! Honestly and sadly, this is what makes creators (like my friend John Cornelius) want to jealously guard their secrets and not share outside of their circle of trust.

Interesting Side Note: I told myself that I will defiantly not learn how to solve the cube before I put out Rubicon, just so I can honestly advertise that there is no cube-solving skill required. That said, when I get the time in the next few months, I will finally learn to solve it just in case I make a mistake before, during, or after the show. This way, I won't have to take 10 minutes to disassemble and reassemble the cube in my dressing room or a dark alley for full restoration. Plus, there is one additional phase that can be accomplished if you know how to solve a cube legitimately.

Finally, to end any public and private speculation, YES, I am diligently honoring the pre-sale introductory price and unquestionably going to $350 on August 1st.

For those who are still reading, I hope this helps you make an informed buying decision of whether the "juice is worth the squeeze."

If you have any other questions, I'll try to come up for air and keep you posted. Thanks again for your interest and attention!
Message: Posted by: Justin Lewis (Jul 16, 2016 03:58PM)
Even more excited. Thanks Gregory!!
Message: Posted by: Decomposed (Jul 16, 2016 04:08PM)
WOW. Boy, that was one fine post. Dittos thanks for coming on here Greg and posting more then a couple of lines.

I think this line is worth about half the price of Rubicon:

"For this or other mental routines, I have a line that you're welcome to use: "The best way to predict the future is to persuade it."


I will be reading and reading this all night.

Key points:

Greg honors a refund.

Gimmick is durable and replaceable if needed.

Greg is going to learn how to solve the cube. Darn it, hate to hear that.

One question about the cubes. I take it that if you end up buying regular speed cubes, it looks like the gimmick will not work. Bout the only thing I am thinking right now. Overwelmed a bit to say the least. :snail:
Message: Posted by: Ypnoze (Jul 16, 2016 04:14PM)
Thank you for taking the time Greg, you never failed me since I started magic and still have my on the spot vhs, the time when as you said it still had hair ;)

I can't agree more that in our industry the price of an effect is not just the costs but also the secret, guarantee of the effect and impact on the audiences, the cost of sharing a creation from you working repertoire and of course more classical costs of time put in the project, marketing, customer service..

In my case I think that 250$ for an effect that can close my show is not expensive at all

I had one question really : can the cube be handed to a spectator after each phase ? Can the spectator freely mix the cube before phase 1 or 2 without having to put it behind their backs? In other words, is it just the way you choose to present it or is it mandatory because they could see something if they look at it while mixing it

Thanks a lot for sharing this and best of luck with the release
Message: Posted by: Decomposed (Jul 16, 2016 04:20PM)
Good questions Yponeze.


One more, how to maintain the speed cubes to ensure they stay at the right tension for gimmicks?
Message: Posted by: Justin Lewis (Jul 16, 2016 04:26PM)
I'll update you guys in a few weeks. I'm
Pretty positive I'm going to love this!

I would say though this is a huge offer from Gregory!
It's a no brainer
Message: Posted by: Decomposed (Jul 16, 2016 04:33PM)
[quote]On Jul 16, 2016, Justin Lewis wrote:
I think I'll buy more cubes at that point! Lol [/quote]


Your post just made me think of something. Having extra cubes is a good investment. You can do Phase one with any speed cube if I am reading Greg's post correctly! It is just phase two that requires the custom cubes.

Im still on the fence but someone is pulling my shirt sleeve onto the other side lol.
:kite:
Message: Posted by: Justin Lewis (Jul 16, 2016 04:35PM)
Ha ha do it!!
Message: Posted by: saysold1 (Jul 16, 2016 04:39PM)
Great post from G Wilson!

I'm feeling more love and the money leaving my hands this week.
Message: Posted by: jaizon (Jul 16, 2016 04:44PM)
Yes, Greg, that is a great statement you have made and it has tipped the scales for me.

"I hope this helps you make an informed buying decision of whether the "juice is worth the squeeze." " And by the way, it was I who used that little aphorism (frequently) with Justin. Seems he doesn't want the public association with me. ----------------------------> joke. hahahahahahahahah
Message: Posted by: Decomposed (Jul 16, 2016 04:49PM)
For those who are still thinking of solving the cube like GW is going to do soon, I found this on the how to solve a cube step by step thread:

"How to solve the cube Twist the cube with enough force to pop one or two squares off, then carefully pop the rest of the squares off and replace in the correct order. Take delight in telling your friends you solved a rubik using an alternate method.. what can I say? I'm a divergent thinker"
Message: Posted by: PendletonThe3rd (Jul 16, 2016 05:40PM)
Kind of bummed that as Greg pointed out, a switch is involved in that one handed move (along with the moves he mentioned). In the intro of the demo, he mentioned you can have a spec mix it up then save it that way...so I figured at the $250/$350 price, more was at play.

Since I already use some cube3 moves, this isn't for me, but it looks great and I wish Greg well on the release!
Message: Posted by: Gregory Wilson (Jul 16, 2016 08:33PM)
It's hard to explain without revealing too much, so the best description of the switch might be a "switchless switch" in that the exact SAME TWO CUBES are in play all along and the secret move happens IMPERCEPTIBLY, yet in plain sight, right under their noses.

In other words, you don't need a a table, a briefcase, or a jacket to do the dirty work. Not that I recommend it, but you can even do Rubicon completely naked. Unfortunately, your misdirection might be a little too strong!

Let me put this way: Rubicon may not be for everyone, but being my own toughest critic for achieving the ultimate method, effect and presentation, Rubicon meets my own demanding criteria in every possible way.

Over-the-top, hard sell, in-your-face infomercial over. :)
Message: Posted by: Justin Lewis (Jul 16, 2016 09:25PM)
I've talked to someone who uses this and he knows me and my abilities or non abilities with cubes and switches lol
He said 100
Percent he highly recommends this to me! I'm in! This is going to be pretty awesome! Great job Greg!
Message: Posted by: Decomposed (Jul 16, 2016 09:39PM)
I now wished it was released much earlier.
Message: Posted by: magimark (Jul 16, 2016 09:48PM)
I was the volunteer at the Magic Castle a few weeks ago for this effect and it blew me away. I was hesitant to buy this, but after reading the posts from Gregory Wilson, I am sold and about to place my order.
Message: Posted by: Ypnoze (Jul 16, 2016 10:06PM)
Hi Grah

Any answers to if the spectator can handle the cubes after each phase and of they have to mix it behind the back ?
Message: Posted by: Decomposed (Jul 16, 2016 10:14PM)
[quote]On Jul 16, 2016, Ypnoze wrote:
Hi Grah

Any answers to if the spectator can handle the cubes after each phase and of they have to mix it behind the back ? [/quote]

I think it is pretty much a must for the spec to mix behind their backs. Which is a non red flag issue since the performer will be doing this as well.

Unsure about the handling though.
Message: Posted by: Decomposed (Jul 16, 2016 10:22PM)
I don't want to want this. So why do I want this? :exercise:
Message: Posted by: Decomposed (Jul 16, 2016 11:06PM)
:coffee:
Message: Posted by: Justin Lewis (Jul 17, 2016 01:22AM)
[quote]On Jul 16, 2016, jaizon wrote:
Yes, Greg, that is a great statement you have made and it has tipped the scales for me.

"I hope this helps you make an informed buying decision of whether the "juice is worth the squeeze." " And by the way, it was I who used that little aphorism (frequently) with Justin. Seems he doesn't want the public association with me. ----------------------------> joke. hahahahahahahahah [/quote]


Ha ha ha 😉
Message: Posted by: Justin Lewis (Jul 17, 2016 01:23AM)
[quote]On Jul 16, 2016, saysold1 wrote:
[quote]On Jul 16, 2016, Justin Lewis wrote:
Price can be a shocking thing for many, however; let's keep in mind what a creator has to do to get his or her routine/effect up and running.
Creating/ manufacturing and marketing adds up and I personally would never go through the above without a 50-60
Percent margin of profit or even more!
Just my humble thoughts
Justin. [/quote]

So true. I am awaiting reviews from you and Luke [/quote]

Will do Brett but I predict yo are also in on getting this!!
Message: Posted by: Kune (Jul 17, 2016 06:06AM)
It sounds perfect so far!

A few things I was wondering:
Around how long is the reset?
How much do you need to hide the reset in walkaround situations?
Message: Posted by: Decomposed (Jul 17, 2016 05:09PM)
[quote]On Jul 17, 2016, Kune wrote:
It sounds perfect so far!

A few things I was wondering:
Around how long is the reset?
How much do you need to hide the reset in walkaround situations? [/quote]

I gather reset is just the reversal of the solve. For phase 1 at least. Just a guess from reading all the posts etc...
Phase 2 would be another story.
:baby:
Message: Posted by: Decomposed (Jul 17, 2016 11:10PM)
:coffee: Anyone want to talk about cube tonight, lmk. Up all night...

PS: Yes I have a life but leave Café on whether here or not. Steve's coffee is great!!
Message: Posted by: MazingMandy (Jul 18, 2016 05:56AM)
[quote]On Jul 13, 2016, pegasus wrote:
I'd expect this to be self working, though, at the asking price. [/quote]

What?
Message: Posted by: TheStoner (Jul 18, 2016 06:12AM)
This looks excellent, but with one possible issue. Greg says something about "customised stickers". So I'm guessing that the two cubes you get with RUBICON (great name by the way!) won't match a normal Rubik's cube. So this will mean you can't link this in with any other cube tricks or gimmicks because the colours won't match? The cubes used in the video demo are the standard colours (yellow green blue red white orange) but if the shipped product will be different that will be a bit of a pain TBH.
Message: Posted by: RNK (Jul 18, 2016 07:33AM)
[quote]On Jul 18, 2016, TheStoner wrote:
This looks excellent, but with one possible issue. Greg says something about "customised stickers". So I'm guessing that the two cubes you get with RUBICON (great name by the way!) won't match a normal Rubik's cube. So this will mean you can't link this in with any other cube tricks or gimmicks because the colours won't match? The cubes used in the video demo are the standard colours (yellow green blue red white orange) but if the shipped product will be different that will be a bit of a pain TBH. [/quote]


I think this effect in itself is so strong I don't think you would have to link this in with any other cube tricks. No need....
Message: Posted by: Jared (Jul 18, 2016 08:26AM)
We have a saying here in New England about head football coach Bill Belichick and the Patriots, "In Bill we trust." I feel the same about Gregory Wilson's magic releases...The man constantly delivers practical magic that works. So in the same spirit, "In Gregory I trust." And yes, I did pre-order.
Message: Posted by: doktorp (Jul 18, 2016 10:47AM)
To be honest, the price for an effect/prop that a professional magician/mentalist uses in his show, should be at least US$ 500.

These are our tools, we use on stage or close-up to make our money.
I think, Greg is absolutely right, that his price tag keeps Youtubers away from exposing such a clever device/routine. At least, that's what I hope.

So, if you're complaining about the price… well… don't buy it. It is that easy!
Message: Posted by: pegasus (Jul 18, 2016 10:55AM)
[quote]On Jul 18, 2016, doktorp wrote:
To be honest, the price for an effect/prop that a professional magician/mentalist uses in his show, should be at least US$ 500.

These are our tools, we use on stage or close-up to make our money.
I think, Greg is absolutely right, that his price tag keeps Youtubers away from exposing such a clever device/routine. At least, that's what I hope.

So, if you're complaining about the price… well… don't buy it. It is that easy! [/quote]

I do kind of agree with your comment, but poor hobbyists like myself are priced out of the market. Let's hope it isn't counterfeited anytime soon.
Message: Posted by: saysold1 (Jul 18, 2016 12:00PM)
I will be ordering this week 100%
Message: Posted by: Ustaad (Jul 18, 2016 12:59PM)
[quote]On Jul 18, 2016, doktorp wrote:

[b]* To be honest, the price for an effect/prop that a professional magician/mentalist uses in his show, should be at least US$ 500.[/b]

[b]* I think, Greg is absolutely right, that his price tag keeps Youtubers away from exposing such a clever device/routine. At least, that's what I hope.[/b]
[/quote]

The price tag placed on a product is the sole prerogative of the creator & his distributor - the price can be sky-high or rock-bottom. But the creator must also keep in mind that for a Sky-High price, the expectations are also Sky-High (both in term of the WOW factor as well as the material received). And as per [b]MY[/b] understanding of the working of this effect, I fear that might not be the case with Rubicon (essentially w.r.t. the material received).

And that's the reason I had said, and may I please quote:-

[quote]On Jul 15, 2016, Ustaad wrote:

[b][i]. . . it would be better if the creators and distributors learn to keep their prices reasonable and more realistic - The sooner the better.[/i][/b][/quote]

I would like to further elaborate on the cost of material. The manufacturing cost may be less but at the same time the item should not be easy to replicate by the DIYers/Rip-off artist. As an example, take the case of effects released by Paul Harris Presents. Paul's item need special dies/jigs to manufacture a piece of item and though the final material cost of the product might cost just a few pennies, but the process of manufacturing will not be economically feasible for the DIYers. Thus making it uneconomical for the DIYer/Rip-Off artists and automatically refrain them from taking on such a venture. Thus automatically making it economically viable to purchase the original item form the creator. I however fear that's not going to be the case with Rubicon's one and only gimmick prop. It MIGHT be very easy to rip-off and thus the high price will soon hit back and put an end to the so called exclusivity of the effect as well as the product.

Now all we need to do is simply wait and watch till the effect is released and a few honest reviews come in.

[b]Just my thoughts[/b]. Thank you.

:xmas:
Message: Posted by: robd (Jul 18, 2016 01:04PM)
[quote]On Jul 18, 2016, MazingMandy wrote:
[quote]On Jul 13, 2016, pegasus wrote:
I'd expect this to be self working, though, at the asking price. [/quote]

What? [/quote]

No idea.
Message: Posted by: Decomposed (Jul 18, 2016 01:34PM)
I was just wondering about two things at this point. Probably overkill but the stickers as well. Not so much to use with other effects but just what color they will be so as not to attract attention for something "suspicious."

Also will these cubes need maintenance since they are custom made. Are they replaceable?


Some may be wondering whether to purchase or not? Why not buy two then and keep one for collector's item. :yawn:
Message: Posted by: markhitton (Jul 18, 2016 02:13PM)
[quote]On Jul 18, 2016, Ustaad wrote:
[quote]On Jul 18, 2016, doktorp wrote:

[b]* To be honest, the price for an effect/prop that a professional magician/mentalist uses in his show, should be at least US$ 500.[/b]

[b]* I think, Greg is absolutely right, that his price tag keeps Youtubers away from exposing such a clever device/routine. At least, that's what I hope.[/b]
[/quote]






Absolutely holy words .i agree totally.big price big expectations.
Perhaps this is not the case

The price tag placed on a product is the sole prerogative of the creator & his distributor - the price can be sky-high or rock-bottom. But the creator must also keep in mind that for a Sky-High price, the expectations are also Sky-High (both in term of the WOW factor as well as the material received). And as per [b]MY[/b] understanding of the working of this effect, I fear that might not be the case with Rubicon (essentially w.r.t. the material received).

And that's the reason I had said, and may I please quote:-

[quote]On Jul 15, 2016, Ustaad wrote:

[b][i]. . . it would be better if the creators and distributors learn to keep their prices reasonable and more realistic - The sooner the better.[/i][/b][/quote]

I would like to further elaborate on the cost of material. The manufacturing cost may be less but at the same time the item should not be easy to replicate by the DIYers/Rip-off artist. As an example, take the case of effects released by Paul Harris Presents. Paul's item need special dies/jigs to manufacture a piece of item and though the final material cost of the product might cost just a few pennies, but the process of manufacturing will not be economically feasible for the DIYers. Thus making it uneconomical for the DIYer/Rip-Off artists and automatically refrain them from taking on such a venture. Thus automatically making it economically viable to purchase the original item form the creator. I however fear that's not going to be the case with Rubicon's one and only gimmick prop. It MIGHT be very easy to rip-off and thus the high price will soon hit back and put an end to the so called exclusivity of the effect as well as the product.

Now all we need to do is simply wait and watch till the effect is released and a few honest reviews come in.

[b]Just my thoughts[/b]. Thank you.

:xmas: [/quote]
:hotcoffee:
Message: Posted by: markhitton (Jul 18, 2016 02:18PM)
I am with Ustaad hiz analysis is correct.
If the solution is that possible solution I do not see why raise up the price in this way.
Just my thought
:stircoffee:
Message: Posted by: pegasus (Jul 18, 2016 03:17PM)
[quote]On Jul 18, 2016, robd wrote:
[quote]On Jul 18, 2016, MazingMandy wrote:
[quote]On Jul 13, 2016, pegasus wrote:
I'd expect this to be self working, though, at the asking price. [/quote]

What? [/quote]

No idea. [/quote]

Not sure why you're both still writing pointless posts? You've both reached 50. :confused:
Message: Posted by: robd (Jul 18, 2016 03:27PM)
Good one. No really.

Whilst you're here - could you give us an idea of which price brackets correspond to what amount of work a method needs? Something like, below £20 - 'knucklebuster - requires months of practice', to above £300 'does it all itself'. That sort of thing. Just so we've some kind of yardstick for these matters in future.
Message: Posted by: afinemesh (Jul 18, 2016 04:33PM)
[quote]On Jul 18, 2016, robd wrote:
Good one. No really.

Whilst you're here - could you give us an idea of which price brackets correspond to what amount of work a method needs? Something like, below £20 - 'knucklebuster - requires months of practice', to above £300 'does it all itself'. That sort of thing. Just so we've some kind of yardstick for these matters in future. [/quote]

It's not that simple. Your questions tell me you have a lot to learn!
Message: Posted by: robd (Jul 18, 2016 04:41PM)
[quote]On Jul 18, 2016, afinemesh wrote:
[quote]On Jul 18, 2016, robd wrote:
Good one. No really.

Whilst you're here - could you give us an idea of which price brackets correspond to what amount of work a method needs? Something like, below £20 - 'knucklebuster - requires months of practice', to above £300 'does it all itself'. That sort of thing. Just so we've some kind of yardstick for these matters in future. [/quote]

It's not that simple. Your questions tell me you have a lot to learn! [/quote]

And your answer tells me that you have a lot to learn about sarcasm.
Message: Posted by: Decomposed (Jul 18, 2016 04:57PM)
Bottom line, money back refund if you don't use it.


Mike on your question, I don't know if the carrying box is needed for this routine. I would suspect it is needed though thinking about it. My problem is most of my gigs are for strolling. :ohyes:
Message: Posted by: Legendary Wizard (Jul 18, 2016 05:49PM)
[quote]On Jul 18, 2016, doktorp wrote:
To be honest, the price for an effect/prop that a professional magician/mentalist uses in his show, should be at least US$ 500.

These are our tools, we use on stage or close-up to make our money.
I think, Greg is absolutely right, that his price tag keeps Youtubers away from exposing such a clever device/routine. At least, that's what I hope.

So, if you're complaining about the price… well… don't buy it. It is that easy! [/quote]


I would fully agree to your post . An expensive price tag keeps a prop from the normal hands , and normally a single gig will earn the cost back , but ... I'll be reluctant to spend 500 on every working effects ... Every month I change a lot of materials in my set , and I hope that I do not have to spend another expensive sum just to add something new . And like Ustaad said , the price point of a product should be justified on a somewhat further scale and the cost of the productions .
Message: Posted by: Decomposed (Jul 18, 2016 07:19PM)
Two weeks to go! :fruity:
Message: Posted by: MazingMandy (Jul 19, 2016 04:22AM)
[quote]On Jul 18, 2016, pegasus wrote:
[quote]On Jul 18, 2016, robd wrote:
[quote]On Jul 18, 2016, MazingMandy wrote:
[quote]On Jul 13, 2016, pegasus wrote:
I'd expect this to be self working, though, at the asking price. [/quote]

What? [/quote]

No idea. [/quote]

Not sure why you're both still writing pointless posts? You've both reached 50. :confused: [/quote]

I was questioning your assertion that just because it is expensive means it should be self-working. That's bonkers. The cost of a routine has no relation to the necessary skill level or practice required.
Message: Posted by: Decomposed (Jul 19, 2016 04:30AM)
:coffee: Addicted to this thread and Rubicon info 24/7.

13 days to go.... 2 days until stickers arrival.:snail:



All I got now is a Decomposing Old Non-customized Cube with Stickers Peeling Off :loss:
Message: Posted by: pegasus (Jul 19, 2016 04:52AM)
[quote]On Jul 19, 2016, MazingMandy wrote:
[quote]On Jul 18, 2016, pegasus wrote:
[quote]On Jul 18, 2016, robd wrote:
[quote]On Jul 18, 2016, MazingMandy wrote:
[quote]On Jul 13, 2016, pegasus wrote:
I'd expect this to be self working, though, at the asking price. [/quote]

What? [/quote]

No idea. [/quote]

Not sure why you're both still writing pointless posts? You've both reached 50. :confused: [/quote]

I was questioning your assertion that just because it is expensive means it should be self-working. That's bonkers. The cost of a routine has no relation to the necessary skill level or practice required. [/quote]

Firstly, welcome to the Cafè. Secondly, you've got a lot to learn.
:wavey:
Message: Posted by: robd (Jul 19, 2016 05:26AM)
[quote]On Jul 19, 2016, pegasus wrote:
[quote]On Jul 19, 2016, MazingMandy wrote:


I was questioning your assertion that just because it is expensive means it should be self-working. That's bonkers. The cost of a routine has no relation to the necessary skill level or practice required. [/quote]

Firstly, welcome to the Cafè. Secondly, you've got a lot to learn.
:wavey: [/quote]

Or you can just pay extra and then you won't have anything to learn - it will just all work itself.

Seriously though - why should it be self-working just because it's expensive?
Message: Posted by: Decomposed (Jul 19, 2016 02:57PM)
Come on Mandy, I will buy you a cup gal.....all welcome here. :coffee:
Message: Posted by: nspikito (Jul 19, 2016 07:52PM)
Just how self-working is Rubicon? I wouldn't want to spend all that cash and discover that you need Greg Wilson's chops to pull it off. He makes it look easy, but so does a classic pass in the hands of Bill Malone or Aaron Fisher.

Spike
Message: Posted by: pegasus (Jul 20, 2016 01:04AM)
[quote]On Jul 19, 2016, nspikito wrote:
Just how self-working is Rubicon? I wouldn't want to spend all that cash and discover that you need Greg Wilson's chops to pull it off. He makes it look easy, but so does a classic pass in the hands of Bill Malone or Aaron Fisher.

Spike [/quote]

Agreed Spike, however, at the asking price I would assume it's virtually self-working.
Message: Posted by: jamo425 (Jul 20, 2016 01:32AM)
I was sold when I first saw the trailer, and the video of the full performance only solidified my decision. I personally thought, from a marketing standpoint, with a routine like this at my disposal.. with this amount of impact.. this could EASILY pay for itself working a night or two. Id imagine this routine alone would nearly guarantee you a gig. Perform Rubicon for a restaurant/bar manager or event planner ect. Or closing with this I'm sure people would be lining up for your business card. That's at least what I imagine.. not to mention giving an incredible experience to anyone lucky enough to see you perform this little miracle.

So for me.. the price tag is worth it. I see this as both a money maker and a reputation maker. But if you don't think what's advertised justifies the price tag, don't get it! Simple as that.. Same for anything else on the market. BTW everyone did notice greg's post saying if this isn't for you, he'd refund your money no questions asked right? Well then.. I hope that's enough reason to stop everyone to stop complaining about the price tag... if it's worth it to you, get it. If not, don't. simple, end of story.

Anyway, back to the actual effect.. this is Greg Wilson we're talking about here. There are very few things that I don't own of his, and so far I have never been disappointed. I can't think of too many people that have. I really don't think this, of all things, will be any exception. I don't know about you guys, but id trust something that he's performed for over a decade to be practical and workable. I trust everything to be as it claims to be.

Regardless of just how self working this effect is, I'd be more than happy to put in the time and effort in to perfect an effect like this. We saw the trailer, and the full performance.. so even if you do have to put hours or days of practice in, don't you think it's worth it for an effect like this?

Maybe if you have arthritis in both of your hands, you might want to think twice. But otherwise, come on guys.. what else to you want? To push a little secret button and have everything solve itself? Whats more, is do you really want everyone to cheer for you pressing a little button? I know that's not what I want, and I hope that's not what magic is going to be. I don't mind self working tricks once and while but we have to draw the line somewhere. How about we work a little for our applause..

Anyway, my only question regarding this effect is, does anyone know about the reset time? Is it just a matter of reversing the steps you used to solve it? Regardless, I'll be putting in my order later this week.


-Jamo
Message: Posted by: rosariorose9 (Jul 20, 2016 01:58AM)
I work close up exclusively, and while I'm fairly good at audience management, I have little doubt but that the specs will want to examine the cubes after they've been'solved.' Did I miss whether that question has been asked...and answered?
Message: Posted by: Decomposed (Jul 20, 2016 02:43AM)
[quote]On Jul 20, 2016, rosariorose9 wrote:
I work close up exclusively, and while I'm fairly good at audience management, I have little doubt but that the specs will want to examine the cubes after they've been'solved.' Did I miss whether that question has been asked...and answered? [/quote]

They can examine.....first phase should eliminate any suspicion whatsoever. You are placing a cube in their hands to mix. I use to do enchanted cube and after the magic, that was it. They never got to touch it even in the beginning. I didn't get any comments then I know if I have Rubicon if I do, the person is just one of those I don't often see anywhere. Now if I can ever even begin to solve a cube (I am trying), that will be real magic.
:whatthe:


PS: Good post Jamo.... :thanx:
Message: Posted by: pegasus (Jul 20, 2016 02:47AM)
They will not be able to examine both cubes.
Message: Posted by: Decomposed (Jul 20, 2016 03:40AM)
[quote]On Jul 20, 2016, pegasus wrote:
They will not be able to examine both cubes. [/quote]

True on that, true on that indeed. But I still don't have a problem with it, be best to have in hands for sets though of course....
Message: Posted by: Legendary Wizard (Jul 20, 2016 04:20AM)
I seriously don't think examination is a problem . I've actually performed Cube 3 closeup on multiple occasions and all I can say is ... They're so bewilded that nobody asks to look at it . And I hope Rubicon will make things easier ~
Message: Posted by: qwerty71 (Jul 20, 2016 05:22AM)
[quote]On Jul 20, 2016, pegasus wrote:
They will not be able to examine both cubes. [/quote]
Before or after?
Message: Posted by: qwerty71 (Jul 20, 2016 05:24AM)
[quote]On Jul 20, 2016, Decomposed wrote:
[quote]On Jul 20, 2016, pegasus wrote:
They will not be able to examine both cubes. [/quote]

True on that, true on that indeed. But I still don't have a problem with it, be best to have in hands for sets though of course.... [/quote]
Alas! It cannot be handed after the solve, means you do not end up clean for a such a huge price of effect.
Also note in the trailer we do not see all the six sides of cube after it is solved.
Message: Posted by: pegasus (Jul 20, 2016 06:45AM)
[quote]On Jul 20, 2016, qwerty71 wrote:
[quote]On Jul 20, 2016, Decomposed wrote:
[quote]On Jul 20, 2016, pegasus wrote:
They will not be able to examine both cubes. [/quote]

True on that, true on that indeed. But I still don't have a problem with it, be best to have in hands for sets though of course.... [/quote]
Alas! It cannot be handed after the solve, means you do not end up clean for a such a huge price of effect.
Also note in the trailer we do not see all the six sides of cube after it is solved. [/quote]

Indeed but a very nice subtlety takes care of that. And I agree, examination of the cubes is not essential, but you can hand YOUR cube out after if you mess it all up before doing so.
Message: Posted by: qwerty71 (Jul 20, 2016 10:25AM)
Can the effect be performed with a borrowed cube whose stickers looks like the trailer one?
Message: Posted by: Ustaad (Jul 20, 2016 12:47PM)
[quote]On Jul 16, 2016, Gregory Wilson wrote:

[b]As far as shipping, the only thing missing right now are the customized stickers, which are tracked to be here on July 21st and easily shipped out by August 1st. I say customized, by the way, since I chose these particular colors to avoid any trademark/copyright infringement on the patented Rubik's Cube color combination/configuration[/b].
[/quote]

The creator seems to be much concerned and worried about the trademark/copyright infringement, thus trying to make it legal by simply changing the color scheme of the cube . . . . but a Rubik's cube remains a Rubik's cube - Right :worry: :exclaim:

It is now quite clear that the colors scheme of the Rubicon cubes are different from the standard cubes available allover. In case one needs replacement stickers, these specially customized color stickers might not be easily available in the open market as they are of nonstandard colors. Hence one is completely dependent on the Rubicon's distributor for getting the stickers (if need be).

Also those spectators who have played with a Rubik's cube, will they not get a feeling when they see that the color combination/scheme isn't one that's on a normal cubes? Won't they think of a gimmick cube because of the change in color scheme form that of a normal cube? We all know that whenever there is a change in shape/size/pattern/color of an already known item that's being used as a prop by the magician, the spectators mind automatically thinks of the word - 'Gimmick' :exclaim: . . . . and hence the spectators might now be more curious to:-

[quote]On Jul 20, 2016, rosariorose9 wrote:

[b]. . . examine the cubes after they've been 'solved.'[/b] [/quote]

Once again, [b]MY[/b] thoughts please. ;) Thank you.

Please continue . . . . :bg:

:xmas:
Message: Posted by: pegasus (Jul 20, 2016 01:08PM)
I have to say that I've seen so many different colour variations in the UK, alone, that I can't imagine that it would arouse suspicion IMHO. I can't vouch for any other country though.
Message: Posted by: Daren (Jul 20, 2016 01:30PM)
Personally I think some are overthinking this and worrying way too much! If you concentrate on your presentation of this effect and the audience is captivated, they won't even have time to think to themselves, hey I'm sure white should be next blue or whatever, I personally am looking forward to this big time, I can see this being a massive hit, hey if Greg has used this for 10 years this has got to be a great piece/routine, oh one more thing, positive thinking guys, why look into the whys and buts?
Message: Posted by: RNK (Jul 20, 2016 01:48PM)
[quote]On Jul 20, 2016, Daren wrote:
Personally I think some are overthinking this and worrying way too much! If you concentrate on your presentation of this effect and the audience is captivated, they won't even have time to think to themselves, hey I'm sure white should be next blue or whatever, I personally am looking forward to this big time, I can see this being a massive hit, hey if Greg has used this for 10 years this has got to be a great piece/routine, oh one more thing, positive thinking guys, why look into the whys and buts? [/quote]


Agree. Greg is a consummate professional and he does not put out fluff. I am sure this will be good as all Greg's material is! I have never been disappointed with a Gregory Wilson release.

RNK
Message: Posted by: pegasus (Jul 20, 2016 01:59PM)
Daren stated "why look into the whys and buts?"

Because of the price, that's why. No one likes to be disappointed.
Message: Posted by: DVYRCKT (Jul 20, 2016 02:40PM)
I've seen Greg perform this as his closer in the Parlour @ the Magic Castle.

It kill's. Looks great! Not gimmick'y at all. All "moves" if you call it that (wont go any further) look 100% natural. This fried a room full of people.

The cube is tossed in the room. We all mix it up. Ironically it matches the 2nd cube (prediction) perfectly. Multiple sides are shown to match exactly.

Greg says thank you afterwards & shows over.

- Davey
Message: Posted by: JasonL2112 (Jul 20, 2016 03:49PM)
Regarding the colors, if that is a concern... Wouldn't one assume that you could, on your own, purchase standard colored replacement stickers and apply those? Just because he won't create / ship that way for valid reasons doesn't necessarily mean the end user cannot if that is important for them....?

[quote]On Jul 20, 2016, Ustaad wrote:
[quote]On Jul 16, 2016, Gregory Wilson wrote:

[b]As far as shipping, the only thing missing right now are the customized stickers, which are tracked to be here on July 21st and easily shipped out by August 1st. I say customized, by the way, since I chose these particular colors to avoid any trademark/copyright infringement on the patented Rubik's Cube color combination/configuration[/b].
[/quote]

The creator seems to be much concerned and worried about the trademark/copyright infringement, thus trying to make it legal by simply changing the color scheme of the cube . . . . but a Rubik's cube remains a Rubik's cube - Right :worry: :exclaim:

It is now quite clear that the colors scheme of the Rubicon cubes are different from the standard cubes available allover. In case one needs replacement stickers, these specially customized color stickers might not be easily available in the open market as they are of nonstandard colors. Hence one is completely dependent on the Rubicon's distributor for getting the stickers (if need be).

Also those spectators who have played with a Rubik's cube, will they not get a feeling when they see that the color combination/scheme isn't one that's on a normal cubes? Won't they think of a gimmick cube because of the change in color scheme form that of a normal cube? We all know that whenever there is a change in shape/size/pattern/color of an already known item that's being used as a prop by the magician, the spectators mind automatically thinks of the word - 'Gimmick' :exclaim: . . . . and hence the spectators might now be more curious to:-

[quote]On Jul 20, 2016, rosariorose9 wrote:

[b]. . . examine the cubes after they've been 'solved.'[/b] [/quote]

Once again, [b]MY[/b] thoughts please. ;) Thank you.

Please continue . . . . :bg:

:xmas: [/quote]
Message: Posted by: Stevethomas (Jul 20, 2016 05:13PM)
Couldn't help it. Knowing how great Gregory's stuff is...I had to.

Steve
Message: Posted by: magimark (Jul 20, 2016 05:27PM)
I was the volunteer for this effect at the castle a few weeks ago. Anyone worried about the color decals, it is nothing noticeable. One doesn't usually sit there with the cube in their hand and say "Wait Greg, I want to look at this cube to make sure it is real." He handed me the cube and said to place it behind my back and mix it up and then give it back to him. When he showed his prediction matched mine, the audience reaction was phenomenal. No body asked to examine the cubes.
After having it performed on me and knowing Greg's reputation, I placed my order. It is the largest investment I have made in my magic career but I feel it will be worth it and as Greg said in an earlier post, he will refund if you are not happy with it. Not sure what else one can ask for.
I always say, magic is an expensive hobby. Many times you are not paying for the materials, you are paying for the secret.
Message: Posted by: saysold1 (Jul 20, 2016 05:34PM)
[quote]On Jul 20, 2016, Ustaad wrote:
[quote]On Jul 16, 2016, Gregory Wilson wrote:

[b]As far as shipping, the only thing missing right now are the customized stickers, which are tracked to be here on July 21st and easily shipped out by August 1st. I say customized, by the way, since I chose these particular colors to avoid any trademark/copyright infringement on the patented Rubik's Cube color combination/configuration[/b].
[/quote]

The creator seems to be much concerned and worried about the trademark/copyright infringement, thus trying to make it legal by simply changing the color scheme of the cube . . . . but a Rubik's cube remains a Rubik's cube - Right :worry: :exclaim:

It is now quite clear that the colors scheme of the Rubicon cubes are different from the standard cubes available allover. In case one needs replacement stickers, these specially customized color stickers might not be easily available in the open market as they are of nonstandard colors. Hence one is completely dependent on the Rubicon's distributor for getting the stickers (if need be).

Also those spectators who have played with a Rubik's cube, will they not get a feeling when they see that the color combination/scheme isn't one that's on a normal cubes? Won't they think of a gimmick cube because of the change in color scheme form that of a normal cube? We all know that whenever there is a change in shape/size/pattern/color of an already known item that's being used as a prop by the magician, the spectators mind automatically thinks of the word - 'Gimmick' :exclaim: . . . . and hence the spectators might now be more curious to:-

[quote]On Jul 20, 2016, rosariorose9 wrote:

[b]. . . examine the cubes after they've been 'solved.'[/b] [/quote]

Once again, [b]MY[/b] thoughts please. ;) Thank you.

Please continue . . . . :bg:

:xmas: [/quote]

Great points all.

I do wish the colors were the same as a regular cube.
Message: Posted by: Decomposed (Jul 20, 2016 06:03PM)
[quote]On Jul 20, 2016, JasonL2112 wrote:
Regarding the colors, if that is a concern... Wouldn't one assume that you could, on your own, purchase standard colored replacement stickers and apply those? Just because he won't create / ship that way for valid reasons doesn't necessarily mean the end user cannot if that is important for them....?

[quote]On Jul 20, 2016, Ustaad wrote:
[quote]On Jul 16, 2016, Gregory Wilson wrote:

[b]As far as shipping, the only thing missing right now are the customized stickers, which are tracked to be here on July 21st and easily shipped out by August 1st. I say customized, by the way, since I chose these particular colors to avoid any trademark/copyright infringement on the patented Rubik's Cube color combination/configuration[/b].
[/quote]

The creator seems to be much concerned and worried about the trademark/copyright infringement, thus trying to make it legal by simply changing the color scheme of the cube . . . . but a Rubik's cube remains a Rubik's cube - Right :worry: :exclaim:

It is now quite clear that the colors scheme of the Rubicon cubes are different from the standard cubes available allover. In case one needs replacement stickers, these specially customized color stickers might not be easily available in the open market as they are of nonstandard colors. Hence one is completely dependent on the Rubicon's distributor for getting the stickers (if need be).

Also those spectators who have played with a Rubik's cube, will they not get a feeling when they see that the color combination/scheme isn't one that's on a normal cubes? Won't they think of a gimmick cube because of the change in color scheme form that of a normal cube? We all know that whenever there is a change in shape/size/pattern/color of an already known item that's being used as a prop by the magician, the spectators mind automatically thinks of the word - 'Gimmick' :exclaim: . . . . and hence the spectators might now be more curious to:-

[quote]On Jul 20, 2016, rosariorose9 wrote:

[b]. . . examine the cubes after they've been 'solved.'[/b] [/quote]

Once again, [b]MY[/b] thoughts please. ;) Thank you.

Please continue . . . . :bg:

:xmas: [/quote] [/quote]


The stickers can be purchased however I believe they will have to match the original stickers it comes with. I am not a cuber but I believe when you purchase a speed cube, it comes with non Rubic stickers.
Message: Posted by: korttihai_82 (Jul 20, 2016 06:33PM)
The amount of just plainly stupid magicians worries or questions in this thread is insane... :wow: Lets take the stickers as an example. Everyone who asked about em; write what six colors are in original rubic's cube AND DO THAT WITHOUT GOOGLE! I bet none of you will get it right... That said Rubics cube is one of the most pirated "toys" in the world and you can find it in variety of colors from most dollar stores since they don't want to break copyright either openly. But it just shows there is soo many people in magic today, asking totally wrong questions that should take stamp collecting instead... :shrug:

Juha-Matti
Message: Posted by: Legendary Wizard (Jul 20, 2016 06:53PM)
A cube is a cube , and I agree , the colors are not that important . So long is the standard black body with plain colored stickers , it looks fine . I'm a speedcuber , and I've seen so many variations of funny looking cubes and used them sometimes in my parlor performance , it actually captures more attention but still , nobody questions them because , they know it's just a innocent looking cube , which they're .
Message: Posted by: Ustaad (Jul 20, 2016 06:56PM)
[quote]On Jul 20, 2016, korttihai_82 wrote:

But it just shows there is soo many people in magic today, asking totally wrong questions that should take stamp collecting instead... :shrug:
[/quote]

I fully agree with your post korttihai_82.

I am an ardent philatelist and that's probably one reason for me being so insane. :)

I humbly request all to please ignore my post pertaining to the color of the cube. Sorry & let's move on (I got my thrashing :) ). Thank you all.

Best regards,

:xmas:
Message: Posted by: Decomposed (Jul 20, 2016 07:31PM)
No worries UStaad, I tried stamp collecting at one time then moved to comics which btw I still have Amazing Fantasy 15 worth a nice penny (SPiderman first appearance). Some had the same concern and besides, this is all entertainment until the actual arrival of the stickers.....TOMORROW.

Well I got the very first layer done trying to actually solve a cube. If nothing else, this has reignited my love of the 80s boy toy, the infamous CUBE.

Face it, put a little colorful plastic box in any man's hands and it it like being a toddler again.

Yes the original Rube Cube I think has the best colors out there and doubtful Rubic will come after anyone these days for copyright infringements. Heck, I have some dollar bills that have the wrong serial numbers on them for mentalism. :crazydude:


That being said, Greg will not put out anything he has not used successfully. Rest easy my friends. Now time for my world to begin again. :coffee: :coffee:
Message: Posted by: MazingMandy (Jul 21, 2016 04:53AM)
[quote]On Jul 19, 2016, pegasus wrote:

Secondly, you've got a lot to learn.
:wavey: [/quote]

About what exactly? Expensive mean easy.
Message: Posted by: MazingMandy (Jul 21, 2016 04:54AM)
[quote]On Jul 20, 2016, pegasus wrote:
[quote]On Jul 19, 2016, nspikito wrote:
Just how self-working is Rubicon? I wouldn't want to spend all that cash and discover that you need Greg Wilson's chops to pull it off. He makes it look easy, but so does a classic pass in the hands of Bill Malone or Aaron Fisher.

Spike [/quote]

Agreed Spike, however, at the asking price I would assume it's virtually self-working. [/quote]


Again, why? Why on earth?
Message: Posted by: Stevethomas (Jul 21, 2016 10:09AM)
Spend enough and Gregory will just come to your house and perform it in your place. That's a very easy way. No learning curve there.

Steve
Message: Posted by: Lbuford (Jul 21, 2016 12:43PM)
I believe this is a great "investment". I made my purchase after seeing the video only once. For those who question why it has to cost so much; it's like the ending to the mechanic's joke after the man received his bill for the repair of his boiler:

•Tapping with the hammer.........$10
•Knowing where to tap ........$9,990

Greg should charge whatever he feels his knowledge is worth period. No other explanation should be needed if you believe this effect should be part of your arsenal. I'm excitedly looking forward to receiving mine!
Message: Posted by: Decomposed (Jul 21, 2016 01:28PM)
Good take there. Plus if you break it down, there is some logic. How many spend $40-$50 on a trick?

Well:

1-Custom Cube $42
2- Cube $42
Gimmick $42
Custom tool $42
Video instructions with Pro, No magic store people $42
Priceless Routine $42
Shipping $2

Wait until August 1st and add $16.33 to each item above....



Just sayin :hypnodisk:
Message: Posted by: jaizon (Jul 21, 2016 01:40PM)
Https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00GYF1V9Y/ref=pd_lpo_sbs_dp_ss_2?pf_rd_p=1944687762&pf_rd_s=lpo-top-stripe-1&pf_rd_t=201&pf_rd_i=B000PH2Z8I&pf_rd_m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&pf_rd_r=29E6BGF30ZDTAFP55QKY

FFS
Message: Posted by: Decomposed (Jul 21, 2016 06:22PM)
[quote]On Jul 21, 2016, jaizon wrote:
Https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00GYF1V9Y/ref=pd_lpo_sbs_dp_ss_2?pf_rd_p=1944687762&pf_rd_s=lpo-top-stripe-1&pf_rd_t=201&pf_rd_i=B000PH2Z8I&pf_rd_m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&pf_rd_r=29E6BGF30ZDTAFP55QKY

FFS [/quote]

Those look better then Ebay one I saw that looked cheesy, thanks broth.


My advice to ones buying Rubicon. Start playing with a rubic cube.....attempt to solve it even if you cannot. These moves will help speed along the process for the algorithms. Dollar store has them for a buck.
Message: Posted by: rosariorose9 (Jul 21, 2016 11:47PM)
[quote]On Jul 21, 2016, jaizon wrote:
Https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00GYF1V9Y/ref=pd_lpo_sbs_dp_ss_2?pf_rd_p=1944687762&pf_rd_s=lpo-top-stripe-1&pf_rd_t=201&pf_rd_i=B000PH2Z8I&pf_rd_m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&pf_rd_r=29E6BGF30ZDTAFP55QKY

FFS [/quote]

GREAT find, Jaizon! Thanks.
:applause:
Message: Posted by: saysold1 (Jul 22, 2016 11:01AM)
[quote]On Jul 21, 2016, jaizon wrote:
Https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00GYF1V9Y/ref=pd_lpo_sbs_dp_ss_2?pf_rd_p=1944687762&pf_rd_s=lpo-top-stripe-1&pf_rd_t=201&pf_rd_i=B000PH2Z8I&pf_rd_m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&pf_rd_r=29E6BGF30ZDTAFP55QKY

FFS [/quote]

Nice!

Thanks - it should be easy to apply these with a tweezers
Message: Posted by: sgtgrey (Jul 22, 2016 11:56AM)
My sticker recommendation:

buy them here: https://thecubicle.us/sticker-picker-57mm-dayan-c-66_123.html (great source for anything Rubik's cube related)
learn how to apply them here with sticker paper and a razor: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dMEdaem8F14

I've tried it, and it works very well.
Message: Posted by: Decomposed (Jul 22, 2016 01:59PM)
Um, gang, if you are buying these stickers for your cube solving, great. But before you buy stickers for Rubicon, remember, they already come with them. The arrival date was 21st yesterday. I would shoot a message over to Greg to see if the stickers can be changed. They may be, I do not know but thinking about how this may turn out they may be difficult to replace (without saying anymore).

That being said, if I were going to replace them, I would replace mine with Rubic Cube colors probably. I ordered mine long ago for Enchanted Cube....think they look closely like the Amazon ones.

I am pretty sure Rubicon will come with quality colored stickers though, will not need replacing if you even decide to and can.
Message: Posted by: Stevethomas (Jul 23, 2016 10:48AM)
And, I doubt anybody gives a crap about what color the stickers on the cube actually are. If you've seen Steven Brundage "solve" the 10 cubes in 1 minute, note that the cubes have various shades of the same colors on them. That having been said, Rubicon will be in my hands soon, hopefully. People who know me all know that I RARELY purchase new effects when they pop up. I do trust Gregory and know the quality of the items he creates and sells. He's an entertainer and a darned good one.

Steve
Message: Posted by: Decomposed (Jul 23, 2016 12:37PM)
Hey Steve! Nice to see you here, long time. And I agree 100 percent! :ohyes:
Message: Posted by: Decomposed (Jul 24, 2016 12:17AM)
Ru·bi·con
noun
noun: rubicon; plural noun: rubicons

1.
(in piquet) an act of winning a game against an opponent whose total score is less than 100, in which case the loser's score is added to rather than subtracted from the winner's.

verb
verb: rubicon; 3rd person present: rubicons; past tense: rubiconed; past participle: rubiconed; gerund or present participle: rubiconing

1.
score a rubicon against (one's opponent).

:spinningcoin:


Cannot wait to get rubiconed....... :dancing:
Message: Posted by: Cartelli (Jul 24, 2016 04:40AM)
Hi,
in the video the colors look like the original colors of a Rubik Cube. I'd like to know what colors are on the cubes.
And like to know exactly what kind of cubes are used (Aurora, Dayan...) so I can combinate it with other effects.
Can it be restickert without problems to the gimmick?
Message: Posted by: Decomposed (Jul 24, 2016 10:16AM)
[quote]On Jul 24, 2016, Cartelli wrote:
Hi,
in the video the colors look like the original colors of a Rubik Cube. I'd like to know what colors are on the cubes.
And like to know exactly what kind of cubes are used (Aurora, Dayan...) so I can combinate it with other effects.
Can it be restickert without problems to the gimmick? [/quote]


I would only guess the stickers are different but not sure. If the ones he is using are more along the lines of the original, then I would say the mass production of these may have caused some legal issues. Doubtful though since even the cube could be said to cause legal issues. THat being said, strange how its difficult to acquire the original colors it seems in sticker replacements.

The speed cubes should be top notch though. Unsure about replacing the stickers and gimmick problems. I would shoot a PM to Greg and see. Then please let us know, I already bugged him enough.
Message: Posted by: Decomposed (Jul 24, 2016 10:37AM)
Just found this regarding patent for the original cube:


Imitations

Taking advantage of an initial shortage of Cubes, many imitations and variations appeared, many of which may have violated one or more patents.

Today, the patents have expired and many Chinese companies produce copies of, and in some cases improvements upon, the Rubik and V-Cube designs.[16]


I know my original cube I just bought broke when I tried to lube it. Quality certainly has declined.
Message: Posted by: wardmagic (Jul 25, 2016 05:24PM)
Been reading posts and watching trailer: unbelievable effect.....I'm gonna use this effect right after Tommy Wonder's Rubik's Card to take the heat off inspection of box and cubes. .... I've placed my order.
Message: Posted by: Lbuford (Jul 25, 2016 06:11PM)
I don't understand why the colors are so important. Am I missing something?? Until the subject came up, I never even thought about the colors.
Message: Posted by: Decomposed (Jul 25, 2016 06:52PM)
I think its just people want the original Rubic colors Lbuford. I know speed cubes I have been looking at and one I just purchased have the oddest colors I ever saw. Plus if the stickers can be replaced, its a no brainer.

Only one week to go gang! Difficut to :napping:
Message: Posted by: Lbuford (Jul 25, 2016 09:19PM)
Thanks for the clarity.

I try not to think about Rubicon so I won't lose sleep. :-) It may actually be longer than one week if 8/1 is the "ship" date instead of the "delivery date". :-(
Message: Posted by: Lbuford (Jul 25, 2016 09:42PM)
Here's one way to solve the sticker issue.
https://www.amazon.com/MoYu-Yulong-Stickerless-Puzzle-Transparent/dp/B00JXCBWL2?ie=UTF8&ascsubtag=4fdbbe6ba60124196b68cc0fa69a0885_S&ref_=dra_a_rv_ss_ho_xx_P1250_1000&tag=dradisplay-20
Message: Posted by: shoexboy (Jul 25, 2016 10:29PM)
[quote]On Jul 15, 2016, BlakeAdams wrote:
Yea why is the video private [/quote]


It is work again.
Message: Posted by: ekins (Jul 25, 2016 11:32PM)
I don't get the private notice anymore but instead just that video doesn't exist.

[quote]On Jul 25, 2016, shoexboy wrote:
[quote]On Jul 15, 2016, BlakeAdams wrote:
Yea why is the video private [/quote]


It is work again. [/quote]
Message: Posted by: Cartelli (Jul 26, 2016 01:35AM)
[quote]On Jul 25, 2016, ekins wrote:
I don't get the private notice anymore but instead just that video doesn't exist.

[quote]On Jul 25, 2016, shoexboy wrote:
[quote]On Jul 15, 2016, BlakeAdams wrote:
Yea why is the video private [/quote]


It is work again. [/quote] [/quote]
The full performance video is no longer there.
Message: Posted by: qwerty71 (Jul 26, 2016 01:51AM)
Is the cube fragile or delicate, means if it drops one time, do we have to purchase once again?
Message: Posted by: Steve Hook (Jul 26, 2016 02:01AM)
:rolleyes:
Message: Posted by: pegasus (Jul 26, 2016 02:20AM)
[quote]On Jul 26, 2016, qwerty71 wrote:
Is the cube fragile or delicate, means if it drops one time, do we have to purchase once again? [/quote]

Could you tell me your height and what type of surface you are likely to drop cube on to? Then I can work out the likelihood of said cube receiving any damage.
Message: Posted by: Ustaad (Jul 26, 2016 11:26AM)
[quote]On Jul 26, 2016, pegasus wrote:

Could you tell me your height and what type of surface you are likely to drop cube on to? Then I can work out the likelihood of said cube receiving any damage. [/quote]

Inadvertently dropping the CUBE on a concrete pavement below while practicing on the 6th floor balcony (drop height approx. 84 feet). Can you please tell me :worry:

Please Note: I am talking about an ordinary cube and not the indestructible Rubicon cube. :bg:

:xmas:
Message: Posted by: Decomposed (Jul 26, 2016 02:28PM)
Cube can be replaced, no worries... :eek:
Message: Posted by: Decomposed (Jul 26, 2016 02:31PM)
[quote]On Jul 25, 2016, Lbuford wrote:
Here's one way to solve the sticker issue.
https://www.amazon.com/MoYu-Yulong-Stickerless-Puzzle-Transparent/dp/B00JXCBWL2?ie=UTF8&ascsubtag=4fdbbe6ba60124196b68cc0fa69a0885_S&ref_=dra_a_rv_ss_ho_xx_P1250_1000&tag=dradisplay-20 [/quote]


Saw this earlier and it looks like a nice piece for a cuber collection. Only negative is I read the colors are difficult to distinguish somewhat. But it is nice to have a collection of pieces to solve.....

I got my eye on the MoYu AoLong 3x3x3 V2 Speed Cube (regular). It looks purdy. Nice colors also.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CwQ_yWifv8Y

Just a few more days left before price increase of 100 buckaroos....
Message: Posted by: jaizon (Jul 26, 2016 03:10PM)
[quote]On Jul 26, 2016, Decomposed wrote:
[quote]On Jul 25, 2016, Lbuford wrote:
Here's one way to solve the sticker issue.
https://www.amazon.com/MoYu-Yulong-Stickerless-Puzzle-Transparent/dp/B00JXCBWL2?ie=UTF8&ascsubtag=4fdbbe6ba60124196b68cc0fa69a0885_S&ref_=dra_a_rv_ss_ho_xx_P1250_1000&tag=dradisplay-20 [/quote]


Saw this earlier and it looks like a nice piece for a cuber collection. Only negative is I read the colors are difficult to distinguish somewhat. But it is nice to have a collection of pieces to solve.....

I got my eye on the MoYu AoLong 3x3x3 V2 Speed Cube (regular). It looks purdy. Nice colors also.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CwQ_yWifv8Y

Just a few more days left before price increase of 100 buckaroos.... [/quote]

Saving up for the Moyu, eh? :O
Message: Posted by: solidoak (Jul 26, 2016 05:40PM)
I'm sold. Just put in my order.
Message: Posted by: Decomposed (Jul 26, 2016 05:57PM)
[quote]On Jul 26, 2016, jaizon wrote:
[quote]On Jul 26, 2016, Decomposed wrote:
[quote]On Jul 25, 2016, Lbuford wrote:
Here's one way to solve the sticker issue.
https://www.amazon.com/MoYu-Yulong-Stickerless-Puzzle-Transparent/dp/B00JXCBWL2?ie=UTF8&ascsubtag=4fdbbe6ba60124196b68cc0fa69a0885_S&ref_=dra_a_rv_ss_ho_xx_P1250_1000&tag=dradisplay-20 [/quote]


Saw this earlier and it looks like a nice piece for a cuber collection. Only negative is I read the colors are difficult to distinguish somewhat. But it is nice to have a collection of pieces to solve.....

I got my eye on the MoYu AoLong 3x3x3 V2 Speed Cube (regular). It looks purdy. Nice colors also.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CwQ_yWifv8Y

Just a few more days left before price increase of 100 buckaroos.... [/quote]

Saving up for the Moyu, eh? :O [/quote]

After giving Greg my month's worth of lunch money, you know it!
Message: Posted by: MazingMandy (Jul 27, 2016 09:41AM)
[quote]On Jul 26, 2016, pegasus wrote:
[quote]On Jul 26, 2016, qwerty71 wrote:
Is the cube fragile or delicate, means if it drops one time, do we have to purchase once again? [/quote]

Could you tell me your height and what type of surface you are likely to drop cube on to? Then I can work out the likelihood of said cube receiving any damage. [/quote]

I'm hoping to drop it from a height of 84 inches onto a print out of all of Kissdadookie's posts.

Question, will there be space between the cube and the top sheet of paper, or do the printed ramblings pile too high?
Message: Posted by: saysold1 (Jul 27, 2016 10:38AM)
My money is on the table too. Waiting
Message: Posted by: Phatmeat (Jul 27, 2016 05:30PM)
Greg just posted the following message on his Facebook page:

"RUBICON UPDATE:
Due to a problem with our manufacturer, RUBICON will not be ready to ship out on August 1st. Details posted at thesecretsource.com and EVERYONE who pre-purchased RUBICON will be getting an email explanation.
I’m currently in flight to Finland for lectures and will respond to questions as soon as I can."
Message: Posted by: PendletonThe3rd (Jul 27, 2016 05:33PM)
That's a bummer. I wonder if the deadline for the $250 price extends with it?
Message: Posted by: Phatmeat (Jul 27, 2016 05:33PM)
There's also an update on the website, which explains the reason for the delay in further detail:

"UPDATE: 7/27/16
Unfortunately, due to an error by the manufacturer, RUBICON will not be ready to ship on August 1st.
In order to be a true Rubik’s Cube miracle, the gimmick needs to work effortlessly and imperceptibly. Yesterday, I received imperfect RUBICON parts and thus I can’t ship this product until the problem is fixed. My company and I have contacted the manufacturer and we’re correcting it immediately.
New parts are being made and RUBICON will be ready in September.
I’m very sorry about this delay and am working with my team to make this right.
Lastly, I’m very grateful for the early support that I’ve received, and everyone who pre-purchased RUBICON will receive an email explaining the situation. I appreciate your patience and understanding, and if you have any questions, please feel free to email us.
Gregory"
Message: Posted by: Phatmeat (Jul 27, 2016 05:38PM)
[quote]On Jul 27, 2016, PendletonThe3rd wrote:
That's a bummer. I wonder if the deadline for the $250 price extends with it? [/quote]

On the website it still states that the special PRE-SALE price ($100 off) lasts until August 1st. I doubt he'll push it back.
Message: Posted by: Jack Straw (Jul 27, 2016 06:03PM)
[quote]On Jul 16, 2016, Gregory Wilson wrote:

As far as shipping, the only thing missing right now are the customized stickers, which are tracked to be here on July 21st and easily shipped out by August 1st.

[/quote]



[quote]On Jul 27, 2016, Phatmeat wrote:
There's also an update on the website, which explains the reason for the delay in further detail:

"UPDATE: 7/27/16
Yesterday, I received imperfect RUBICON parts and thus I can't ship this product until the problem is fixed.

Gregory"
[/quote]

On July 16 the only thing missing was the stickers.

I guess that the imperfect Rubicon parts that arrived yesterday were those stickers.
Message: Posted by: jamo425 (Jul 27, 2016 07:30PM)
Just got an email from greg, he said the presale price will still be ending on Aug. 1st because to change it at this point would be a bit of a slight to people that ordered which were expecting it to ship in august.
Message: Posted by: illusioneer (Jul 27, 2016 07:37PM)
Glad I read this when I did: I was JUST about to place my order.

However, I would like a hard deadline when to expect this before I plunk down money (which is what we all wish when discussing PRE-ORDERS.)

Has anyone checked with Gregory if the pre-sale price will be extended or should I try and email him to see if the pre-sale price will be honored until a shipping ETA will be better assessed?
Message: Posted by: jamo425 (Jul 27, 2016 07:40PM)
*See previous post*

Presale price will still be ending Aug. 1st (No extension). Shipping is delayed until September.
Message: Posted by: Tony Venetico (Jul 27, 2016 08:17PM)
I haven't gotten my email explanation yet, but Illusioneer if there's anyone I would trust, it's Gregory. He won't endlessly yank people around
Message: Posted by: illusioneer (Jul 27, 2016 08:23PM)
OH! Not saying that at all! Love Gregory AND his products. I'll still be ordering this.

Just biting my fingernails until it arrives! ;)
Message: Posted by: jamo425 (Jul 27, 2016 08:30PM)
[quote]On Jul 27, 2016, Tony Venetico wrote:
I haven't gotten my email explanation yet [/quote]


I asked him directly if the presale price was extended or not and that's what he told me. It wasn't an email sent out to everyone.
Message: Posted by: On The Offbeat (Jul 28, 2016 04:34AM)
I can certainly understand why so many here have a problem with pre-orders.
But in this case it's Gregory Wilson, who has a very good reputation as a creator and producer of magic products.
But even beyond that this isn't the typical savings of only a few dollars, but a full C-note.
That's a pretty substantial savings and enough of an incentive for many to take the plunge early, before reviews have come in.

But I have to admit that I am a little worried that the opinion of a couple folks already in the know seems to be that they are surprised that it would be priced so high.
But even still I will likely pull the trigger before the August 1st deadline.
Message: Posted by: Magicalos (Jul 28, 2016 08:19AM)
Price isn't horrible - its Gregory freakin Wilson guys! trench tested, audience approved material for sure! placed my order today and I'm not a cube guy nor do I own any other cubes.
Message: Posted by: Stevethomas (Jul 28, 2016 09:30AM)
I got an email this morning, explaining that there's a problem with one of the custom-made components of the Rubicon, and that they will not ship Monday. It says that when we receive it in September, it will be perfect.

Steve
Message: Posted by: Ustaad (Jul 28, 2016 10:43AM)
[quote]On Jul 27, 2016, Phatmeat wrote:

[b]"UPDATE: 7/27/16
New parts are being made and RUBICON will be ready in September.[/b]
[/quote]


[quote]On Jul 25, 2016, Decomposed wrote:

[b]Only one week to go gang! Difficut to [/b] :napping: [/quote]

Where are you my friend :worry: Have you heard the latest :worry: The calendar has been reset - - - Back to the one month wait. :mad:

You can now sleep peaceful for [b]at least[/b] a month :napping: :bg:

:xmas:
P.S.

[quote]On Jul 27, 2016, jamo425 wrote:

[b]Just got an email from Greg, he said the presale price will still be ending on Aug. 1st because to change it at this point would be a bit of a slight to people that ordered which were expecting it to ship in august.[/b] [/quote]

Hmm :exclaim: - Interesting decision. :rolleyes:
Message: Posted by: pegasus (Jul 28, 2016 10:55AM)
Poor Decomposed. :rotf: I feel for him. Perhaps the Chinese knock offs will be ready before Gregg's. You never know. :sun:
Message: Posted by: Decomposed (Jul 28, 2016 03:57PM)
Late to the party, been on vacation. Bummer. But life goes on. At least I can solve the cube now.


Anyone know if stickers come on the cube or we put them on? Anyone have a link to how to correctly place them?
Message: Posted by: Stevethomas (Jul 28, 2016 04:44PM)
I've got plans for a new, better cube effect! All the sides & colors are the SAME. Who's in? No twisting involved. It's just a solid block. It won't even break if you drop it on the floor!

Steve
Message: Posted by: BlackZ (Jul 28, 2016 04:46PM)
[quote]On Jul 28, 2016, Stevethomas wrote:
I've got plans for a new, better cube effect! All the sides & colors are the SAME. Who's in? No twisting involved. It's just a solid block. It won't even break if you drop it on the floor!

Steve [/quote]


Put me on the list... I like the idea!!! ;-)
Message: Posted by: saysold1 (Jul 29, 2016 12:33AM)
I heard that Greg was/is in Finland - and then traveling to Asia next month.
Message: Posted by: jaizon (Jul 29, 2016 08:47AM)
...interestingly enough I preordered but sent the money to a non existent account (a typo I didn't catch). So the money never left my account and it turns out I never pre-ordered. Serendipity? Fate? Now what do I do? ;)
Message: Posted by: videoman (Jul 29, 2016 09:59AM)
I love all of Greg Wilson's stuff but not convinced this is worth several times the cost compared to Collaboration Cube.
Message: Posted by: BlackZ (Jul 29, 2016 10:55AM)
I remember... the one with the box... without exposing nothing... could you tell us the difference?
Message: Posted by: Decomposed (Jul 29, 2016 02:05PM)
[quote]On Jul 29, 2016, jaizon wrote:
...interestingly enough I preordered but sent the money to a non existent account (a typo I didn't catch). So the money never left my account and it turns out I never pre-ordered. Serendipity? Fate? Now what do I do? ;) [/quote]

I will use the cliche I see on Stephen Young items for sale:


"Finger hovering over the pay pal button"


Waiting until September gives plenty of time now to learn how to solve a cube or brushing up if you already know how to. Unsure when Greg comes back.....but if he said there are problems with quality best to wait.
Message: Posted by: Decomposed (Jul 29, 2016 02:15PM)
[quote]On Jul 29, 2016, videoman wrote:
I love all of Greg Wilson's stuff but not convinced this is worth several times the cost compared to Collaboration Cube. [/quote]


I heard the collaboration cube takes some skill.....dunno for sure...I read you get one gimmicked cube and one ungimmicked cube. If that is true, I think I would prefer Greg's method.
Message: Posted by: BlackZ (Jul 29, 2016 02:33PM)
[quote]On Jul 29, 2016, Decomposed wrote:
[quote]On Jul 29, 2016, videoman wrote:
I love all of Greg Wilson's stuff but not convinced this is worth several times the cost compared to Collaboration Cube. [/quote]


I heard the collaboration cube takes some skill.....dunno for sure...I read you get one gimmicked cube and one ungimmicked cube. If that is true, I think I would prefer Greg's method. [/quote]


Looking at the demo it didn't seem to be so different... the skill required seem the same... but of course, I do not know the method so, maybe, I am totally wrong...
Message: Posted by: PendletonThe3rd (Jul 29, 2016 02:47PM)
Apparently, the spec does not mix the cube you end up matching in Collaboration Cube. So definitely different since with Rubicon, the spec mixes a cube and you match it.

Plus gimmick quality from what Greg is touting seems to be of a superior build and quality.
Message: Posted by: Decomposed (Jul 29, 2016 02:54PM)
[quote]On Jul 29, 2016, PendletonThe3rd wrote:
Apparently, the spec does not mix the cube you end up matching in Collaboration Cube. So definitely different since with Rubicon, the spec mixes a cube and you match it.

Plus gimmick quality from what Greg is touting seems to be of a superior build and quality. [/quote]


LOL, you posted before my PM bro.....great info!
:pirate:
Message: Posted by: BlackZ (Jul 29, 2016 03:18PM)
I have seen but having seen only short pieces... I don't want to make any assumption that could, maybe, be wrong!

Rubicon seem great... I want only be sure to not buy any sort of clone or something that will make me disappointed in any way... also if Greg is a "brand" of top stuff...

...
Message: Posted by: Woodfield (Jul 29, 2016 05:59PM)
The "solving" of the cube looks strange to me. I don't see the cube sections actually turning.
Message: Posted by: Decomposed (Jul 29, 2016 07:29PM)
[quote]On Jul 29, 2016, Woodfield wrote:
The "solving" of the cube looks strange to me. I don't see the cube sections actually turning. [/quote]

Are you referring to Rubicon or Collaboration Woodfield?
Message: Posted by: Decomposed (Jul 29, 2016 07:53PM)
Only 48 hours til price increase and 32 days until first shipment. :band:
Message: Posted by: Ustaad (Jul 29, 2016 08:16PM)
[quote]On Jul 29, 2016, Decomposed wrote:

Only 48 hours til price increase and 32 days until first shipment. :band: [/quote]

Price rise is certain (as of now), but don't be too sure of the shipment.

:xmas:
Message: Posted by: Decomposed (Jul 29, 2016 08:42PM)
Yeah bearded dragon slowdown..... :rainbow:
Message: Posted by: catweazle (Jul 30, 2016 04:47AM)
[quote]On Jul 29, 2016, Decomposed wrote:
[quote]On Jul 29, 2016, Woodfield wrote:
The "solving" of the cube looks strange to me. I don't see the cube sections actually turning. [/quote]

Are you referring to Rubicon or Collaboration Woodfield? [/quote]

I agree, rubicon, during the behind the back change there seems to be no rotation of the blocks at all, they just seem to change colour, the jumbling around just hides it ...a bit.
Message: Posted by: Woodfield (Jul 30, 2016 06:03AM)
[quote]On Jul 30, 2016, catweazle wrote:
[quote]On Jul 29, 2016, Decomposed wrote:
[quote]On Jul 29, 2016, Woodfield wrote:
The "solving" of the cube looks strange to me. I don't see the cube sections actually turning. [/quote]

Are you referring to Rubicon or Collaboration Woodfield? [/quote]

I agree, rubicon, during the behind the back change there seems to be no rotation of the blocks at all, they just seem to change colour, the jumbling around just hides it ...a bit. [/quote]

I'm referring to the demo video of Rubicon. When Greg solves the cube at the start of the video and when he does it behind his back in the live performance.
Message: Posted by: Decomposed (Jul 30, 2016 09:58AM)
Oh I see what you mean now. I never really noticed it before. He goes behind his back and comes back out with cube in his hand. Takes the one mixed by the spec and matches them. They will not be watching the video like us so I do not think there will be anything noticed at all. I didn't when you told me even though I am 99 percent sure how this all is done (phase 2 that is).

He has been doing this act for 10 years, doubt he has any problems now. My only question is the quality of the products at this point.
Message: Posted by: catweazle (Jul 30, 2016 12:39PM)
No, I mean when he 'solves' the cube with the cube behind his back, but so that we can see it happen, i.e, he is facing away from us with the cube behind his back thus we see the cube 'being solved'- the cube is in full sight.
as this is done there is no rotation of the cube, just a bit of movement, the cube just appears to solve itself without any obvious rotation at all, it looks odd.
Message: Posted by: PendletonThe3rd (Jul 30, 2016 01:20PM)
Greg mentioned earlier in these threads that its a simple twist and turn over move he does with one hand.

I think it looks really good. More convincing than other one handed solves Ive been playing around with.
Message: Posted by: Decomposed (Jul 30, 2016 03:33PM)
Yeah Cat, when I first saw him do this one handed solve, it was truly a thing of beauty. I watched it over and over and truly thought it was some gimmick. Remember he has been doing this for 10 years and he cannot solve a cube. The cubes not being gimmicked are a plus. Remember the audience will not be watching demos over and over to dissect.
Message: Posted by: Woodfield (Jul 30, 2016 03:43PM)
I only watched the demo once. It looks magical, just not realistic
Message: Posted by: catweazle (Jul 30, 2016 04:24PM)
[quote]On Jul 30, 2016, Woodfield wrote:
I only watched the demo once. It looks magical, just not realistic [/quote]

Which to be fair is the point of a magician I guess ;)
Message: Posted by: Decomposed (Jul 30, 2016 06:06PM)
[quote]On Jul 30, 2016, catweazle wrote:
[quote]On Jul 30, 2016, Woodfield wrote:
I only watched the demo once. It looks magical, just not realistic [/quote]

Which to be fair is the point of a magician I guess ;) [/quote]

Guess its not for everybody....as long as you do not change your mind after midnight Sunday. Remember, you are not seeing the entire routine from beginning to end. The spectator mixes a cube. You take back that cube that has been mixed and solve it in 10 seconds behind your back.....That is what we call the logical disconnect or the spectator head spin.

It is an elite club as Greg says. No risk guarantee also which I do not think I have ever seen for a "magic" related product. For me at least, I have mentalism plans for this. I already had my bout with magic with the Enchanted Cube.


For those who are buying this, even though it is not needed, you have more then enough time to learn how to solve the cube. Greg says it will come in handy for an additional phase added to the standard routine. My goal was just to not have to take the cube apart after the performance was finished. Greg also stated this earlier on the thread.


Less then 30 hours to go....
:band: :fear: :fear:
Message: Posted by: catweazle (Jul 30, 2016 06:27PM)
I do really like this this, but I bought cube3 last week and have got a bit addicted, I can see myself getting this in the future just for the fact the spec can mix it, but the pound £ is at a bad exchange rate at the mo, and will get better at some point so the offer will prob balance out.
I really want to get the cube3 down first , but I'm not in any way knocking Rubicon, it does look great and actually magical, which is slightly different to cube3, with that you kind of guess that skill with the cube is at play, just hidden in most part by either a bag, hand or back etc.

P.S good luck to Steve in AGT!
Message: Posted by: catweazle (Jul 30, 2016 06:37PM)
There are speedcubers that solve cubes blindfolded, which I'm sure you could do with Rubicon as a presentational idea, you could even beat the world record ;)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0RfJbcydNJ0
Message: Posted by: Decomposed (Jul 30, 2016 07:38PM)
Good thoughts. Did not know Steve was on AGT again, thought he was on last year?

Forget the price tag, new Eric Snowden movie will be out come September. You can see in the trailer he is an ace at the cube:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QlSAiI3xMh4


Just having a promotional packet showing cube hopefully will launch some corporate business.


Hey Cat I know how you feel! For years the dollar was awful over there in your world. Its a doubled edge sword however.
Message: Posted by: videoman (Jul 30, 2016 08:17PM)
[quote]On Jul 29, 2016, Woodfield wrote:
The "solving" of the cube looks strange to me. I don't see the cube sections actually turning. [/quote]

Hmm, I don't know it looks like he is turning sections of it to me. Both at the beginning and while behind his back. Not a lot but enough to achieve the desired result I suppose.

Can anyone tell me how many phases are in Greg's routine and exactly what each effect is?
Every description I've seen is pretty vague. I know one phase is matching a specs cube and then you solve it behind your back. Anything else?
Not implying that's not enough, just curious what the possibilities are.

Tempted to take advantage of the lower pricing but I've never spent that amount on something I know so little about, and not much time left to find out.
Greg puts out great stuff but let's face it, not everything suits everybody.
Message: Posted by: Decomposed (Jul 30, 2016 08:34PM)
Hi Videoman,

The first demo showed a lot more but now its private. The first phase is handing a spec a cube and having them mix it. You take that cube back and solve it in 10 seconds behind your back. THis is what the spec sees I gather.

The second phase is having them mix that solved cube again and you retrieve a second cube and mix it behind your back. The cubes match. I have read just about every post about this from eye witness accounts here, facebook etc. Magicians who have seen him do this live are in awe. Everyone of them from ones who have seen and I have bugged.

Hope that helps.
Message: Posted by: catweazle (Jul 31, 2016 04:18AM)
That snowden film looks good!
here is a link about Steve on AGT

http://www.themagiccafe.com/forums/viewtopic.php?topic=621921&forum=218
Message: Posted by: qwerty71 (Jul 31, 2016 04:36AM)
[quote]On Jul 31, 2016, catweazle wrote:

here is a link about Steve on AGT

http://www.themagiccafe.com/forums/viewtopic.php?topic=621921&forum=218 [/quote]
It would be great if we see Steve use Rubicon in upcoming performances.
Message: Posted by: Gregory Wilson (Jul 31, 2016 09:48AM)
Gentlemen,

First, sorry for the late reply since I am out of the country and crazy super busy.

Second, I am even more sorry that Rubicon will be delayed due to a flaw in one of the custom-made components. But, if I had to look for a silver lining in this detainment and extra expense, it's that the gimmick will be even better on the second round.

So far, the understanding and support has been overwhelming from the pre-purchasers. I'm quite sure that you will thank me later for not settling for "good enough" as I am making Rubicon perfect for my own stringent standards.

Regarding some of the other questions here on The Café:

1) The $250 pre-sale price expires on August 1st to honor those who made an early purchase.
2) No, the stickers were fine; it was a problem with the gimmick.
3) The stickers, for those concerned, look perfectly natural.
4) I don't want to provide a hard deadline date for completion, as my goal is to make Rubicon PERFECT. That said, I'm expecting mid-September.
5) With all of the working parts and packaging, there is only one thing left and it gets shipped off immediately upon arrival.
6) For the one-handed solve, it's hard to tell on video, but is quite obvious in person, that the blocks are being rotated just like a real cube - because it is a real cube!
7) I am so confident that you will LOVE this as much as me, that there is a full one month guarantee if anyone is dissatisfied with the product in any way.
7) As far as degree of difficulty, here is my latest quote from the internationally famous Cube Freak himself: "With Greg's gimmick, you can learn in ten minutes what took me two years to perfect." - Steven Brundage

I will keep everyone apprised of my progress in the ensuing weeks.

The part that hurts so much is that I will not have Rubicon for Magic Live, or my big Asian tour AND I secured the back cover of Magic Magazine for this month!!

Grrrrrrr!

Again, thanks for your patience and understanding!!!

Grrrrrrregory

PS Strong opinions are perfectly fine, but there is one cynic here on the Café that I wish would think more positive and upbeat as you're in good hands. : )
Message: Posted by: jaizon (Jul 31, 2016 11:10AM)
[quote]On Jul 31, 2016, Gregory Wilson wrote:


PS Strong opinions are perfectly fine, but there is one cynic here on the Café that I wish would think more positive and upbeat as you're in good hands. : ) [/quote]


Only one????
Message: Posted by: Decomposed (Jul 31, 2016 01:29PM)
I know my posts are being counted on this thread, literally (scathing PM may be from the cynic GW mentioned above), but I think buyers are feeling better..... :exercise:
Message: Posted by: pegasus (Jul 31, 2016 02:12PM)
[quote]On Jul 29, 2016, Decomposed wrote:
Only 48 hours til price increase and 32 days until first shipment. :band: [/quote]

That's 46 days till shipment. :rotf: I'm sure it'll be worth the wait though.
Message: Posted by: catweazle (Jul 31, 2016 02:37PM)
My heads fuzzy with maths, but I'm not sure how you are getting 46 days based on decomposed statement, I get 32, even if you added on 48 hrs it would only be 34, but there is no reason to add on the 48 hrs.

but it feels like some sort of logic puzzle ;)
Message: Posted by: Woodfield (Jul 31, 2016 03:15PM)
Regarding GW 's point #6 The one handed solve. I went back to watch the video
and he is correct the cube sections move, it's just hard to see on the video.
Sorry for adding any confusion to the thread.
Message: Posted by: Decomposed (Jul 31, 2016 06:36PM)
[quote]On Jul 31, 2016, Woodfield wrote:
Regarding GW 's point #6 The one handed solve. I went back to watch the video
and he is correct the cube sections move, it's just hard to see on the video.
Sorry for adding any confusion to the thread. [/quote]


I am all about confusion, no worries Woodfield. Okay I will get a calculator. Six weeks til shipment and less then 6 hours until the price increase.
Message: Posted by: shoexboy (Jul 31, 2016 09:18PM)
[quote]On Jul 25, 2016, ekins wrote:
I don't get the private notice anymore but instead just that video doesn't exist.

[quote]On Jul 25, 2016, shoexboy wrote:
[quote]On Jul 15, 2016, BlakeAdams wrote:
Yea why is the video private [/quote]


It is work again. [/quote] [/quote]


please try this link

https://vimeo.com/171481592/4229e7cbf5
Message: Posted by: ekins (Jul 31, 2016 09:26PM)
[quote]On Jul 31, 2016, shoexboy wrote:
[quote]On Jul 25, 2016, ekins wrote:
I don't get the private notice anymore but instead just that video doesn't exist.

[quote]On Jul 25, 2016, shoexboy wrote:
[quote]On Jul 15, 2016, BlakeAdams wrote:
Yea why is the video private [/quote]


It is work again. [/quote] [/quote]


please try this link

https://vimeo.com/171481592/4229e7cbf5 [/quote]

Thank you, that link works and is very helpful. I'm still on the fence about whether to order this or not. Not because I don't think it's a great effect but just questioning if I'll get enough use out of it to justify the cost since I don't get a chance to perform a lot. It is great though. A few more hours left to decide.
Message: Posted by: Ustaad (Jul 31, 2016 10:47PM)
[quote]On Jul 31, 2016, Gregory Wilson wrote:

As far as degree of difficulty, here is my latest quote from the internationally famous Cube Freak himself:
[b]"With Greg's gimmick, you can learn in ten minutes what took me two years to perfect.[/b]" - Steven Brundage
[/quote]

On the onset I would like to clarify that I might sound a bit harsh and curt in this post of mine. However that's not my intention, but if one so feels I sincerely apologize for the same.

Steven Brundage is an enthusiastic young man who brought to the magic community [b]Cube3[/b] flowed by his recent [b]At the Table Live Lecture[/b] video. Hence keeping in mind his interest in magic, I hope he knows and understands exactly what he has said, what he wants to convey and what his above quoted statement actually implies. I presume that Steven made the statement after knowing Rubicon's method.

I shall only compare one effect of Rubicon i.e. Phase-2 performance with that of Steven Brundage's Phase-2 performance on AGT (You can see it here - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P_O2XYx9spE ).

The end results of both the effects are the same, i.e. the performer matches his cube exactly with that of the spectators mixed cube. However the main difference lies in the methods adopted to achieve the effect. Both the methods are totally different [b]to the best of my knowledge and understanding after watching the two performances [/b]. In one case (i.e. Rubicon) a gimmick is involved, whereas in the other (i.e. Steven's effect) a clever, very well thought out s****h is involved which is also coupled with playing with human psychology. I would not like to further elaborate as this might cause exposure. OK, said that and coming straight to the point:-

1. In Rubicon, [b]if performed as seen in the full performance video put up earlier[/b], the two cubes [b](IMO)[/b] cannot be laid on the table for examination. This, [b]once again IMO[/b] is the WEAKEST part of the effect.

2. In Steven's method both the cubes can be laid on the table for examination. And this, IMO, is the STRONGEST part of the effect.

You will agree that in both the above cases, Phase-2's are considered to be the strongest part in the whole two phase routine/performance. Hence for Steven to quote that what took him two years to perfect can be learned in ten minutes is utterly out of context.

Just [b]MY[/b] thoughts.

Thank you.

:xmas:
Message: Posted by: Ustaad (Jul 31, 2016 11:24PM)
Since 30 minutes had passed I could not edit my above post. Hence:-

[b]For:[/b]
"You will agree that in both the above cases, Phase-2's are considered to be the strongest part in the whole two phase routine/performance. Hence for Steven to quote that what took him two years to perfect can be learned in ten minutes is utterly out of context."

[b]Please read:[/b]
You will agree that in both the above cases, Phase-2's are considered to be the strongest part in the whole two phase routine/performance. Hence for Steven to quote that what took him two years to perfect can be learned in ten minutes is utterly out of context. Steven's two years is intense practice and skill, whereas Rubicon need only a gimmick - one can be examnined and the other can not.

:xmas:
Message: Posted by: Mike Webb (Aug 1, 2016 01:29AM)
Thanks for the update Greg! Please keep us posted!
Message: Posted by: Decomposed (Aug 1, 2016 01:38AM)
Good take Ustaad. Well I assume now its 1:37 AM CST, the price to the elite Rubicon club is now $350. Cup anyone? :coffee:
Message: Posted by: Tim Hannig (Aug 1, 2016 02:09AM)
They are not only different in method, but also in what the audience perceives.

Cube3 (or is it CubeFX...not sure!): After having a cube mixed, and having some fun with the bag, you "study" the cube (if you want), and then match the other cube to it.
It could be magic, but it could also be, "wow, this guy is a genius...I mixed up a cube, he looked at it for a moment, and then he twisted his cube to match mine!"

RUBICON: "we both mixed up cubes behind our back and when we brought them out they matched!" That's a different effect... but VERY magical.

I think they are both great. I own CubeFX, Cube3, and I ordered RUBICON. I can't wait to start using it!
Message: Posted by: sjbrundage (Aug 1, 2016 02:32AM)
[quote]On Jul 31, 2016, qwerty71 wrote:
[quote]On Jul 31, 2016, catweazle wrote:

here is a link about Steve on AGT

http://www.themagiccafe.com/forums/viewtopic.php?topic=621921&forum=218 [/quote]
It would be great if we see Steve use Rubicon in upcoming performances. [/quote]

: }
Message: Posted by: Decomposed (Aug 1, 2016 03:05AM)
[quote]On Aug 1, 2016, Tim Hannig wrote:
They are not only different in method, but also in what the audience perceives.

Cube3 (or is it CubeFX...not sure!): After having a cube mixed, and having some fun with the bag, you "study" the cube (if you want), and then match the other cube to it.
It could be magic, but it could also be, "wow, this guy is a genius...I mixed up a cube, he looked at it for a moment, and then he twisted his cube to match mine!"

RUBICON: "we both mixed up cubes behind our back and when we brought them out they matched!" That's a different effect... but VERY magical.

I think they are both great. I own CubeFX, Cube3, and I ordered RUBICON. I can't wait to start using it! [/quote]

Nice info Tim, thanks. Well, the price at 3 am CST still shows $250. Guess there is still time....
Message: Posted by: Magicalos (Aug 1, 2016 11:37AM)
12pm est the site now shows 350$

glad I got my order in a few days ago cant wait for this!
Message: Posted by: Decomposed (Aug 1, 2016 12:18PM)
[quote]On Aug 1, 2016, Magicalos wrote:
12pm est the site now shows 350$

glad I got my order in a few days ago cant wait for this! [/quote]

I guess it triggered this morning....yeah the sale is now over officially. The elite club is now more elite.
:bigsmile:
Message: Posted by: Decomposed (Aug 2, 2016 06:25PM)
Unsure if it was posted already but here are the "official" Rubik's stickers:

https://www.rubiks.com/store/cubes/3x3-replacement-stickers


Just in case you want them for when the Rubicon cube stickers wear out....
Message: Posted by: Tim Hannig (Aug 2, 2016 10:48PM)
Well, looks like somebody got their Rubicon ahead of time. : )

Great job, Stephen!
Message: Posted by: dylanxtay (Aug 2, 2016 10:57PM)
Steven Brundage just performed Rubicon on AGT.

https://youtu.be/-BOZ-NIAbIk

So glad I dropped $250 for this one.
Message: Posted by: PendletonThe3rd (Aug 2, 2016 11:56PM)
He did an amazing job tonight! Got all my 10 votes!

Glad I ordered Rubicon as well. He executed it perfectly...the move looked super clean.
Message: Posted by: Decomposed (Aug 3, 2016 12:27AM)
WOW, he did great, glad I got my order in also! Stickers looked perfect.

Is that huge toy cube included in the package?

:lol:
Message: Posted by: ash2arani (Aug 3, 2016 04:04AM)
That was great! I loved it. Great comeback!
Message: Posted by: RNK (Aug 3, 2016 09:42AM)
[quote]On Aug 1, 2016, Decomposed wrote:
[quote]On Aug 1, 2016, Magicalos wrote:
12pm est the site now shows 350$

glad I got my order in a few days ago cant wait for this! [/quote]

I guess it triggered this morning....yeah the sale is now over officially. The elite club is now more elite.
:bigsmile: [/quote]

Well G, my mind decomposed as I couldn't get Rubicon out of my head and ordered at 11pm July 31st!

Hope I'm still married next month........
Message: Posted by: Magicalos (Aug 3, 2016 09:50AM)
[quote]

Well G, my mind decomposed as I couldn't get Rubicon out of my head and ordered at 11pm July 31st!

Hope I'm still married next month........ [/quote]

LOL I'm sure she loves the tricks though
Message: Posted by: pegasus (Aug 3, 2016 10:24AM)
Steve completely baffled Simon, many congrats on a superb performance.
Message: Posted by: Decomposed (Aug 3, 2016 02:13PM)
[quote]On Aug 3, 2016, RNK wrote:
[quote]On Aug 1, 2016, Decomposed wrote:
[quote]On Aug 1, 2016, Magicalos wrote:
12pm est the site now shows 350$

glad I got my order in a few days ago cant wait for this! [/quote]

I guess it triggered this morning....yeah the sale is now over officially. The elite club is now more elite.
:bigsmile: [/quote]

Well G, my mind decomposed as I couldn't get Rubicon out of my head and ordered at 11pm July 31st!

Hope I'm still married next month........ [/quote]

Welcome to the elite club B. The $350ers are about to join us. PS Marriage is overrated.
:D :D
Message: Posted by: RNK (Aug 3, 2016 03:21PM)
LOL!!!!!!!!!
Message: Posted by: videoman (Aug 3, 2016 03:35PM)
I thought Stephen did great in his most recent appearance on AGT, although I suspect that the audience may be growing weary of Rubik's cube routines.
But just the fact that the Rubik's guru chose to perform Rubicon installs faith that this could actually be a winner. The money back guarantee from GW doesn't hurt either. LOL

As an off topic side note, The Clairvoyants are totally killing it. I have never much cared for the old time second sight duo acts but they really mix things up and are scoring better every appearance. Win or lose this will send their career through the roof.
Message: Posted by: Decomposed (Aug 3, 2016 05:14PM)
Having AGT on your resume really helps in landing gigs (especially when the iron is still hot). I am happy for all the acts. Its a very tough road for all of them. Hope Steve can move further.
Message: Posted by: funboy247 (Aug 4, 2016 07:28AM)
This is very cool. I love it
Message: Posted by: dooblehorn (Aug 4, 2016 05:03PM)
[quote]On Aug 3, 2016, videoman wrote:
I thought Stephen did great in his most recent appearance on AGT, although I suspect that the audience may be growing weary of Rubik's cube routines.
But just the fact that the Rubik's guru chose to perform Rubicon installs faith that this could actually be a winner. The money back guarantee from GW doesn't hurt either. LOL

As an off topic side note, The Clairvoyants are totally killing it. I have never much cared for the old time second sight duo acts but they really mix things up and are scoring better every appearance. Win or lose this will send their career through the roof. [/quote]

Totally agree...I like the fact he combined Multidimensional with the Rubiks effects
Message: Posted by: Decomposed (Aug 4, 2016 06:58PM)
[quote]On Aug 4, 2016, dooblehorn wrote:
[quote]On Aug 3, 2016, videoman wrote:
I thought Stephen did great in his most recent appearance on AGT, although I suspect that the audience may be growing weary of Rubik's cube routines.
But just the fact that the Rubik's guru chose to perform Rubicon installs faith that this could actually be a winner. The money back guarantee from GW doesn't hurt either. LOL

As an off topic side note, The Clairvoyants are totally killing it. I have never much cared for the old time second sight duo acts but they really mix things up and are scoring better every appearance. Win or lose this will send their career through the roof. [/quote]

Totally agree...I like the fact he combined Multidimensional with the Rubiks effects [/quote]

Craig plus Greg, great one two punch. Push the paypal button.....you know you want it.
:winker: :winker:
Message: Posted by: funboy247 (Aug 5, 2016 05:14AM)
Hope there is a change to see it at Magic Live
Message: Posted by: korttihai_82 (Aug 5, 2016 07:39AM)
[quote]On Aug 5, 2016, funboy247 wrote:
Hope there is a change to see it at Magic Live [/quote]

Very likely. He was just in Finland last weekend and he finished his close-up show with Rubicon. Sadly he didn't have em to sell because of the delay in manufacturing. Otherwise I would have bought one.

Juha-Matti
Message: Posted by: Decomposed (Aug 21, 2016 09:23PM)
One solve a day keeps Rubicon on the way! :fyi:
Message: Posted by: Magicalos (Aug 22, 2016 09:38AM)
September cant come fast enough :)
Message: Posted by: dooblehorn (Aug 31, 2016 08:33AM)
Anyone hear any updates about release?
Message: Posted by: Stevethomas (Aug 31, 2016 09:19AM)
Messaged Gregory last week, still no response. I'm sure he's not here daily.

Steve
Message: Posted by: saysold1 (Aug 31, 2016 02:17PM)
Well I know Greg had an awesome trip to Asia and plenty of play cash $$$ from all the pre-orders (including mine)!

Hopefully this month we will see this masterpiece.
Message: Posted by: illusioneer (Aug 31, 2016 03:04PM)
Yeah. I wish I would have known the pre order would be Backed up without an update for so long.

I may have to pull my order... :hmm:
Message: Posted by: On The Offbeat (Aug 31, 2016 04:03PM)
Greg (and his website) says it is scheduled to ship in September, and judging by most shipping estimates it will probably be closer to the end of the month than the beginning but there is always hope. :)
But technically it's not late from when he made his last update about having to redo some of the components.

The advantage to pre-ordering in this case was there was a substantial savings ($100) if you placed your order by August 1st. I'm sure that is why Greg received many pre-orders for Rubicon.
That, and also it looking to be a great effect and method and Greg's previous track record regarding the products he has released.

If the parts aren't perfect I would personally rather wait and have them redone so that they are, but like many I am looking forward to getting this ASAP.
Message: Posted by: sgtgrey (Aug 31, 2016 07:23PM)
Last I heard (UNOFFICIALLY), they were hoping for shipping out September 8th. However, it is likely it won't be until mid- to late-September.
Message: Posted by: Stevethomas (Aug 31, 2016 09:05PM)
I agree with ON THE OFFBEAT. I know Greg will NOT send out crappy or even marginal items. I'm glad he's who he is. I can wait.

Steve
Message: Posted by: illusioneer (Aug 31, 2016 09:39PM)
Its not that I doubt Greg at ALL. His products are second to none.

But an updated ETA (now that we're basically in September) would be helpful - especially if it was supposed to be one element that needed fabricated only because I have to try and time the delivery out with me leaving the country. That's the only reason I'd have to cancel.

Not having anything to do with how strong I know this product will be or Greg's excellent track record.
Message: Posted by: pegasus (Sep 1, 2016 03:53AM)
Posted by Greg on July 31.

4) I don't want to provide a hard deadline date for completion, as my goal is to make Rubicon PERFECT. That said, I'm expecting mid-September.
Message: Posted by: illusioneer (Sep 1, 2016 04:03AM)
Mid to late September shipping is the estimate I received from the source.

I'll be keeping my order and my excitement over this!!
Message: Posted by: jnork (Sep 1, 2016 08:07AM)
Guys and gals...don't hold your breath for 'mid September' either. Once that first promised 'ship date' passes, in my mind all bets are off. This happens frequently with pre-releases. Even from the best in magic creation. I RARELY buy stuff as it comes out or ahead of time and am usually a year or two behind. I earn my living performing. I have everything I really 'need' to continue to do so. As such, I'm pretty discriminating as to what I put into my act or don't. I only purchase something if I can see an immediate use for it in one or more of my shows.

Now, since I don't purchase ahead of time, I have the benefit of looking back at old posts and reviews about these special 'pre-release' offers and how often they are 'delayed, delayed a bit more, and delayed one more time'. On top of that, I have a super memory (Not 'Lorraine' super but I'm good). The last two effects I bought in 'real time' were Rubicon and the Quantum Bender. BOTH of which were delayed. There was a delay with Sanders' "Identity" and on "Freakey" in 2007 by the same creator. For 'Freakey', it was originally to ship 4/23/2007 ... then 5/10 ... then 5/30 ... then 6/10 .. then 6/20 ... then 7/28 ... then 'soon' after 8/28 and FINALLY shipped on 9/9/2007.

With that being said, I actually USE all 3 of those effects (Identity, Freakey, Quantum Bender) in my act, and I can assure you that Rubicon will take it's place along side of those--in about a year or two. Not because I think that's how long it's going to take to ship LOL -- but because Steven Brundage has simply overdone cube magic for the time being, IMO. Truth be told, had I known he was going to do so much cube magic on AGT, I would NOT have ordered this ahead of time, BECAUSE I know that I would have not put it into my act immediately. That's just me and how I choose my material.

Anyway, I like Greg and his material (I own, but more importantly USE a TON of it) and liked Rubicon when I first saw it at Wizardz in Orlando. There was no question I'd get it when he hinted he would be releasing it. I know I'll like this release and use it.

I'm just being realistic. My only suggestion is be patient and don't 'expect' anything. When it ships, it'll ship. And you'll love it :)

Jason
Message: Posted by: RNK (Sep 1, 2016 08:36AM)
I rarely pre-order myself now, but when by pre-ordering you can save $100.00, especially for an effect that looks amazing which is coming from a fantastic creator and trustworthy person such as G. Wilson- I did pre-order and will have the patience to wait.

RNK
Message: Posted by: pegasus (Sep 1, 2016 01:33PM)
I remember freakey at Blackpool 2007. It was on pre-order from then until shipment in September of the same year. That's a loooong time.
Message: Posted by: RNK (Sep 1, 2016 01:40PM)
But it was eventually released as Rubicon will be and everyone who preordered will have saved $100 on what looks be a fantastic effect!
Message: Posted by: pegasus (Sep 1, 2016 02:49PM)
Makes you laugh though. Anyone else would have been hung-drawn-and quartered..
Message: Posted by: RNK (Sep 1, 2016 02:57PM)
I think the difference is because Greg always puts out top notch products and if there ever is a problem Greg has great communication with his customers.
Message: Posted by: pegasus (Sep 1, 2016 04:45PM)
Great communication? I don't think so personally.
Message: Posted by: RNK (Sep 1, 2016 11:25PM)
[quote]On Sep 1, 2016, pegasus wrote:
Great communication? I don't think so personally. [/quote]

Well since you didn't buy it you personally won't have to worry about it.

Leave the worrying to us who purchased it.

Funny how your the only one complaining. Keep stirring the pot if it makes you feel good about yourself. If I didn't know any better I would begin to think you are acting like a troll. But nah, someone complaining about a preorder who didn't preorder it. Silly me.
Message: Posted by: saysold1 (Sep 2, 2016 12:40AM)
[quote]On Sep 1, 2016, pegasus wrote:
Makes you laugh though. Anyone else would have been hung-drawn-and quartered.. [/quote]

I tend to agree.

Some get a bigger line of goodwill credit.

Greg is one of them.
Message: Posted by: RNK (Sep 2, 2016 06:43AM)
[quote]On Sep 2, 2016, saysold1 wrote:
[quote]On Sep 1, 2016, pegasus wrote:
Makes you laugh though. Anyone else would have been hung-drawn-and quartered.. [/quote]

I tend to agree.

Some get a bigger line of goodwill credit.

Greg is one of them. [/quote]

LOL. How did I know you would jump on the Bandwagon with Pegasus.....

Now, I looked back through the café and Exact Change had a delay in the DVD production- Greg notified everyone about the delay then released it when he said he would after making the DVD better.

Exact Change - Greg again notified everyone about the delay, said it would be released in about 10 days, it was released before the 10 days.

Unleashed - seemed to have a delay- again Greg posted on his website that it would be delayed.

Besides the hiccup with the release of Freakey I can't see a pattern here with Greg. Maybe you can help point it out to me Saysold and Pegasus??
Not to mention, once Freakey was delivered the majority purchasers expressed their high regards and satisfaction with the product. This is not the case with the majority of preorders. Not in comparison with the few preorders Greg has had over the years.

So maybe you can point out something I have missed Saysold with the "Bigger Line of Goodwill Credit".

RNK
Message: Posted by: pegasus (Sep 2, 2016 07:40AM)
Hiccup? Lmao. See what I mean?
Message: Posted by: RNK (Sep 2, 2016 08:28AM)
[quote]On Sep 2, 2016, pegasus wrote:
Hiccup? Lmao. See what I mean? [/quote]

No. Actually I don't LMAO!! You still have no answered or responded to my previous post how Freakey was a huge hit amongst many and his only product to have a significant delay due to manufacturing process's so Greg could provide a better quality product in the end as opposed to many other preorders where people have waited only to be disappointed with the end product after receiving. So please explain how Greg always gets a pass as you previously stated when only ONE of his products had missed it's mark but yet was still a quality product?

Come Pegasus, try a little harder LOL!!
Message: Posted by: pegasus (Sep 2, 2016 09:39AM)
Here's the 'hiccup' in full.


March 2007

The Café becomes buzzed with rumors of a new effect by the awesome Gregory Wilson called "FreaKey". He had it for sale at Blackpool, and now everybody of course wanted one. Hocus Pocus says they'll have some in 4 weeks.

April 2007

http://gregorywilsonfx.com has it for sale on their site, Hocus Pocus has zero in stock, and no other vendors do either. Freakey goes on pre-order at Hocus Pocus, MJM and other major dealers.

May 2007

No vendors have received it, yet. Hocus Pocus has it for sale at $74. Paul (owner of Hocus Pocus) says, "I just got an email from Gregory Wilson. He just returned from England and will be shipping our order of Freakey in 10 days."

MJM says, "I haven't yet heard of any reasonable excuse as to why it's taken so long, which is unfortunate."

Here's the email from Greg: "Just got back from a three-week tour of jolly ol' England and only had enough Freakey's to send out on a temporary basis. The "real" fully-formed batch will be ready in about 10 days. Will send out 100 to you then. Thanks for the order. We'll talk soon."

June 2007

Paul writes, "According to the last conversation I had with our supplier we should have Freakey sometime next week. That's the most up to date information that I have."

Also, "Let me be very clear. NOBODY is shipping these now. I spoke to our supplier this afternoon directly. Greg has changed the instructional DVD and the packaging of this effect that is what has caused the delay, so no dealers have them to ship. He said that they should start shipping in approx. 7 days."

July 2007 - no news

August 2007

Greg finally speaks, "the dealers mistakenly thought it was available and had prematurely advertised it. They never asked me about its release in America and took it upon themselves to take pre-orders without my approval or agreement."

Huh? Greg you emailed Paul Gross that you'd ship him some in May.

Paul's response, "Throughout the long wait I have not yet once received an update or notification of delay directly from Greg. All of our information has been obtained second hand."

September 2007

FreaKey hits Murphys, and is distributed to your favorite dealer.

Oh wait - another wrinkle! Greg only shipped out 64 copies?! That's right, Hocus Pocus was the only dealer to sell them. So now HP begins pricing it at the normal $95 with a discounted price of $91. Greg complains (methinks, more later) and the discount is removed making it $95 again. But not before I scored my copy for $71 !

So why did the discount vanish, and no other dealers have it? Perhaps the answer lies within the Magic Bunny forum, in this post:

Quote:
On a side note I emailed Greg regarding buying it cheaper from a dealer (plus there will be no import charges!) and he says:

Quote:
These opportunistic dealers who are discounting and undercutting ME. Makes me not want to sell any more merchandise wholesale or through distributors!!!


"These opportunistic dealers" says it all. Those evil dealers are offering my phat loot at 10% off. How dare them. F@#* those guys, I'll just sell it from my site!

Isn't this an odd statement from Gregory Wilson, who's sold countless items through Penguin and Murphys already, and is WELL AWARE of the dealers' existing discounts? If discounts are an issue, why didn't he take a stance with the dealers on pricing?

Even more ironic is why you'd buy it from a dealer charging full price, when you'd need to pay shipping on top of it? Greg's site offers free shipping, plus your keys will be uncut, allowing you to create your own house key from them.
Message: Posted by: RNK (Sep 2, 2016 10:47AM)
LMAO!!!!!! Again- maybe you didn't actually READ my post- I stated BESIDES Freakey! Too Funny!!!

Your claim was how Greg always get a pass (to paraphrase) but yet you cannot provide any information except ONE instance. Wow....
Message: Posted by: King14 (Sep 2, 2016 03:26PM)
Any shop should have the product in stock before money is taken from the customer. It is different if your are getting something special made a deposit is all that should be needed. But Magicians are getting ripped of by pre orders which don't come in on time.

If this keeps going on and proper business practice is not used by magic shops they will be taking pre orders for 2018.
Message: Posted by: pegasus (Sep 2, 2016 04:09PM)
Well said King14. You talk sense.
Message: Posted by: Jack Straw (Sep 2, 2016 05:02PM)
I really don't want to get involved here, BUT.....

In July Greg said that he was only waiting for the printed labels for Rubicon (and that right there should tell you something about Rubicon), and that they would be received in a few days, and that Rubicon would DEFINITELY ship by August 1st.

Then a week later he said that there were other things wrong with what he had already received.

So, if he had everything except the labels, then there was no quality control check on the things that he already had in stock.

Or maybe nothing was in stock at the time that he said that.

But his trip to Europe went off on time.

Magicians are very good at deception.

All I can say is that I'm tired of the BS here.

And we allow it to happen.

Well, some of us do.

Once I get messed over, I never buy from that person again.

And by the way, I am a mentalist, and here is my prediction:

Rubicon will NOT ship in September.

Write it down.

But, of course, I have an out hidden underneath my keyboard!
Message: Posted by: jnork (Sep 2, 2016 07:57PM)
I have to admit, I'm with Jack. "ready to ship aside from the labels" ... then ... problem with the manufacture. Here's what I suggest, PROMISE a 'in time for Christmas 2016' and when they ship on November 1, guess what ? SUPER HAPPY CUSTOMERS since they were looking for 12/25 and got it 55 days EARLY. Don't go the other direction promise August 1 ship and send it 55 days LATE.

I use Scotty's principle from Star Trek: Multiply all estimates by 2.5 ... in that way he can seem like a miracle worker. In my business, I do that. I tell a client, you'll have it by 5 pm, KNOWING I'm getting it to them within the hour. The perception? Wow, this guy exceeded expectations, he's awesome. I'm just sayin'...

Honestly, what I feel is that more often than not, some creators need 'seed money' to actually PUT the project together. They get a quote from the manufacture and then drum up the 'pre-order' sales to actually PAY the manufacturer to START to MAKE the gimmick at that time.

Jason
Message: Posted by: Stevethomas (Sep 2, 2016 07:59PM)
I seem to remember back in about 1988. A guy very few had heard of was taking orders for a VHS to accompany his book. I paid, waited a couple months (or longer) and it arrived. The money paid was used to produce the tape. I loved my Harkey On Video, by the way, and it was well worth the wait.

Steve
Message: Posted by: On The Offbeat (Sep 2, 2016 08:00PM)
Hopefully it will ship in September but if it does it will probably be on the last day of the month. :)
We will just have to wait and see. I pre-ordered because I really like this effect and couldn't resist saving a hundred bucks.
Even if it's delayed another couple months I will be glad I got it for the discounted price, but if it takes longer than that I'll begin to get upset.

I like to support the creators directly but to be honest I will usually try and order a prop from an established dealer because I've had trouble with ordering direct from creators.
Creators typically aren't used to shipping products daily and have too many other irons in the fire. If you're order happens to arrive the day after they've left for a 2 month lecture tour you may never see the product, or even if you do it will be extremely late and you'll most likely receive no communication. They usually don't have very good customer service because it's not their main thing, it's something they're doing to supplement their income and to be honest most are not that concerned about it. It seems like it's more of a neccessary evil. Bill Abbott is one exception that I have had repeatedly good and prompt service with.

Greg's a busy guy I'm sure and I have no doubt that he will come through with this eventually but I just hope it's sooner rather than later.
An update would be nice even it's only to say that he checked with his manufacturer and things seem to on schedule or not.
Message: Posted by: Jack Straw (Sep 2, 2016 09:10PM)
[quote]On Sep 2, 2016, Stevethomas wrote:
I seem to remember back in about 1988. A guy very few had heard of was taking orders for a VHS to accompany his book. I paid, waited a couple months (or longer) and it arrived. The money paid was used to produce the tape. I loved my Harkey On Video, by the way, and it was well worth the wait.

Steve [/quote]

I would say that this is OK if your customers are AWARE that your money is being used to finance the manufacturing.

But today we have KickStarter (and others, if I'm not mistaken) to accomplish that goal.

Don't use The Magic Café as a KickStarter!

And don't continue to deceive us when you have people waiting for you to come through- be honest. I've heard that honesty is the best policy, although I can't remember where.

Also, come here and give updates as often as possible, ya know what I mean?

Greg hasn't posted here in 33 days. But he's had no problem spending your money during that time. And your $300 investment is a $275 profit for him, if this is what I think it is. Ellusionist sold a similar device for $29.95 and (apparently) made money on it.

I'm sure that he's been reading here during the last 33 days.

Expect to hear from him soon, now that I said that.

This is why creators don't like coming on here- it gets too hot in the kitchen.
Message: Posted by: wjkrysak (Sep 2, 2016 10:09PM)
I am patient, with pre-order and would also appreciate an update from someone in the know.
Communication is important customer service. Thanks in advance.
bill
Message: Posted by: MichaelMann (Sep 2, 2016 10:55PM)
I spoke to Greg. It's definitely shipping this month. He wished that some of you would calm the !@#$ down! You're dealing with a reputable person, he's not Justin Miller!

MM
Message: Posted by: Jack Straw (Sep 2, 2016 11:23PM)
So that's his attitude, right?

Some of us should calm the !@#$ down?

It's our fault, not his, right?

Michael, since you apparently are Greg's mouthpiece now, please explain one thing to me and then I'll shut up.

How did a manufacturing problem occur AFTER the only thing missing was the stickers?

I know that I am only an egg, but I can't figure that one out.

[quote]On Jul 16, 2016, Gregory Wilson wrote:

As far as shipping, the only thing missing right now are the customized stickers, which are tracked to be here on July 21st and easily shipped out by August 1st.

[/quote]

I'm still betting on no shipment this month.

Something else will come up.

I am a mentalist, after all.

Another prediction:

This thread gets locked soon.
Message: Posted by: RNK (Sep 3, 2016 12:15PM)
Greg said Mid September on his last post here. So there is no reason for him to come back and give an updatge.

The people here who are whining, did you even order the effect?
Message: Posted by: jnork (Sep 3, 2016 02:14PM)
Well,

Michael: Seeing as a comment of 'calm the fvck down' didn't directly come from Greg's typing, I'm going to let it slide but I for sure hope that's not his attitude with his customers. If that's the case, I'd like to have my money returned. I don't need the trick. Sure, it's something I'd like but I certainly don't need it at this point in my career. Listen, I treat all my customers with respect as they enable me to do what I love. I have had tough customers and/or customers whom I don't get along with for whatever reason. Guess what, I fire them, and I tell them: "Hey listen, it's not working out between us anymore. No need for you to call me in the future. Best of luck on whoever you find" Done. I'd be hard pressed to give my money to someone who had that attitude toward me. Yes, Greg's reputable. Yes, Greg puts out good products. Yes, Greg delivers. Yes, Greg is not the best at handling the 'product' side of his business.

RNK, I was a pre-order guy. Debated it back and forth a lot BECAUSE it was a pre-order and not ready to ship. Placed the order the day before it shut down. But, RNK, let me see:
1) Looking through Exact Change ... you found there was a delay.
2) Looking through Unleashed ... you found there was a delay.
3) Looking at FreaKey you found there was a delay.
4) Looking at Rubicon there is a delay.
regardless of if it's 10 days or 10 months a delay is a delay. I'm a straight numbers guy. When it's supposed to ship on a certain date and it doesn't , it's a delay. You DON'T see a pattern here? I clearly do. I own all but Unleashed as I love most of Greg's Material. (Didn't see Unleashed fitting my style) Yes, he'll deliver. Yes, it will be good. I'm sure I'll love Rubicon but regardless, leaves a bad taste in one's mouth.

On the Off Beat: I'm not buying the 'too many irons' in the fire and 'this isn't their main job'. I think Greg makes some nice money on magic effects, books, and DVD's. If a creator doesn't take this portion of the business seriously as well, then one shouldn't be doing it. Find someone else to work that part of the business for you. In actuality, the products can end up making WAY MORE in the long run as they live in perpetuity, long after the creator can't perform anymore. He/She can still sell the products. I'm a jack-ass of all trades doing magic, hypnosis, motivational speaking and horse race calling, plus some digital products, information products and consulting. EVERY aspect of my business (I feel) gets the attention that it deserves when a client needs me because I'm a business man. I care about my clients and their happiness regardless of it's a $19.97 ebook or $7500.00 speech. Never know when that $19.97 client decides to call you for a $10K consulting job, right?

Jack: I'm not saying Greg used pre-order money to finance the manufacture of it. Just something that I thought of recently after stopping to think for a moment. Since 'ready aside from stickers' turned into a problem with the manufacture -- just doesn't add up. And yes, if that WAS the case, it should be communicated. Again, let me re-iterate: I'M NOT SAYING GREG USED PRE-ORDER MONEY TO FINANCE THE CONSTRUCTION OF RUBICON. Do I think it happens sometimes? Yep. And remember Jack, it's not the customers who make it too hot in the kitchen, it's the chef telling diners the lobster will be ready at 8 PM and it not getting to the table until 9:15 PM :)

Jason
Message: Posted by: Jack Straw (Sep 3, 2016 07:43PM)
Jnork, I agree with everything you said, including your comments to me.

I'm not saying that he financed Rubicon with pre-order money either.

But I'm sure that he didn't put the money in a trust fund until the product ships.

What really bothers me about the whole thing is how he went from "ready to ship except for the stickers" to "there's a problem with the manufacturing".

How does anyone reconcile those two statements?

It seems impossible to do that, so something doesn't add up.

And there never will be an post here to explain those two contradictory statements.
Message: Posted by: RNK (Sep 3, 2016 08:44PM)
Jack Straw, Jason and others that are whining, if you actually ordered the effect and can't stand to wait, then there is a simple solution, CANCEL YOUR ORDER. Not a difficult step to do. This preorder business has been talked about and beat to death here. And it's not the creator's fault as he did not make you order and if your not happy with a creator's communication then CANCEL and get a refund. Not hard. Unbelievable how people preorder and KNOW that things happen which will cause delays and have seen and experienced it MANY times but yet still whine and cry. Some of you people really need to just grow up. Not happy then CANCEL! Leave what looks to be a fantastic effect from one of the BEST and BUSIEST performers/creator's in this era to those who have the patience to wait.

Greg knows better to come on here and answer to such nonsense and stupid talk.
Message: Posted by: pegasus (Sep 4, 2016 03:49AM)
Very well said Jason.
Message: Posted by: JackMagic (Sep 4, 2016 06:17AM)
[quote]On Sep 2, 2016, Jack Straw wrote:
I really don't want to get involved here, BUT.....

In July Greg said that he was only waiting for the printed labels for Rubicon (and that right there should tell you something about Rubicon), and that they would be received in a few days, and that Rubicon would DEFINITELY ship by August 1st.

Then a week later he said that there were other things wrong with what he had already received.

So, if he had everything except the labels, then there was no quality control check on the things that he already had in stock.

Or maybe nothing was in stock at the time that he said that.

But his trip to Europe went off on time.

Magicians are very good at deception.

All I can say is that I'm tired of the BS here.

And we allow it to happen.

Well, some of us do.

Once I get messed over, I never buy from that person again.

And by the way, I am a mentalist, and here is my prediction:

Rubicon will NOT ship in September.

Write it down.

But, of course, I have an out hidden underneath my keyboard! [/quote]

This is why Jack is a great mentalist , I have a feeling he will be sport on with his prediction !

In fairness Greg did not say what year it would ship so it could be Sep 2017 !!!

I got had once with a pre order took over 6 months for an item that was going to ship in 2 weeks
After that experince I have saved a lot of time and money by waiting for the item to be out before I part with my $$$$$

All the dealers hype " When they are gone they are gone "

Does not wash with me !
Message: Posted by: pegasus (Sep 4, 2016 06:21AM)
I hear yer Jack, however, the one hundred dollar reduction for pre-orders was too enticing for many.
Message: Posted by: JackMagic (Sep 4, 2016 09:22AM)
Hopefully the discount will equal to the delay
Message: Posted by: RNK (Sep 4, 2016 10:23AM)
[quote]On Sep 4, 2016, pegasus wrote:
I hear yer Jack, however, the one hundred dollar reduction for pre-orders was too enticing for many. [/quote]


Apparently was not enough for you so acting like a troll is how you decide to be.
Message: Posted by: pegasus (Sep 4, 2016 11:05AM)
Calm down baffling bob. :rotf:
Message: Posted by: kevishu (Sep 4, 2016 11:10AM)
I didn't pre-order this. But I just stumbled on this thread and see hints of frustration going on with pre-orders again. Just in the general sense (not specific to Rubicon), I'll never understand why some people get so upset delays on new product releases, and especially when they say they'll "never pre-order again" because of those delays. Just think about this once and for all... you ordered it because... 1) you like the effect.... 2) you want to purchase the effect.... 3) there's typically a discount (or some bonus) associated with pre-orders.... and finally... 4) you want to be one of the first to get the effect. While I understand there's anxiousness in getting a cool new effect, realize that none of the 4 points above go moot over a simple delay. Why would a delay change any of that? You're still going to get the product you so strongly wanted when it is finally shipped. You're still getting the discount/bonus. And you're still going to be one of the first to receive it. It's not like everybody else is getting it and you're not.

Another thing to think about... what if the creator never opted to release this effect in the first place? Would you have even known about it? Shouldn't you at least appreciate the fact you have an opportunity to get a great effect... ever? Delays happen in all industries. Magic industry isn't immune to the unexpected.

Back to Rubicon... I remember Greg posting a September release. September just started. I would love this if I had the money. I would love it if I got it in September... and I would love it if I got it in November or December just the same.
Message: Posted by: theoriginalman (Sep 4, 2016 11:26AM)
If there is anyone in this thread that is so upset,doubtful or dissatisfied with the delay of their purchase and wish to cancel their order don't. I will gladly take this off of your hands for the exceptional discount price. Now lets see how many "dissatisfied" customers take me up on my offer.

Thank You
Message: Posted by: MichaelMann (Sep 4, 2016 12:03PM)
[quote]On Sep 3, 2016, jnork wrote

Guess what, I fire them, and I tell them: "Hey listen, it's not working out between us anymore. No need for you to call me in the future. Best of luck on whoever you find" Done.

Jason [/quote]

Jason,
Hey listen, it's not working out between us anymore. You're fired! No need for you to keep whining or posting in this thread. That goes for you too Jack.

There is always the possibility of manufacturing delays. It happens. Greg said mid September for delivery and we aren't there yet but you guys have nothing better to do but !@#$% and complain. Is it that time of the month? Is that the problem? I will repeat what RNK said. If you are unhappy, cancel your order!

MM


:rotf: :rotf: :yippee:
Message: Posted by: RNK (Sep 4, 2016 07:18PM)
[quote]On Sep 4, 2016, pegasus wrote:
Calm down baffling bob. :rotf: [/quote]

I'm calm and savvy baby! No pun intended on that baby since that's what you are acting like Pegasus! Shame you became a troll!!!

Baffling Bob
Message: Posted by: JackMagic (Sep 5, 2016 01:46AM)
[quote]On Sep 4, 2016, MichaelMann wrote:
[quote]On Sep 3, 2016, jnork wrote

Guess what, I fire them, and I tell them: "Hey listen, it's not working out between us anymore. No need for you to call me in the future. Best of luck on whoever you find" Done.

Jason [/quote]

Jason,
Hey listen, it's not working out between us anymore. You're fired! No need for you to keep whining or posting in this thread. That goes for you too Jack.

There is always the possibility of manufacturing delays. It happens. Greg said mid September for delivery and we aren't there yet but you guys have nothing better to do but !@#$% and complain. Is it that time of the month? Is that the problem? I will repeat what RNK said. If you are unhappy, cancel your order!

MM


:rotf: :rotf: :yippee: [/quote]

What he said it was all ready to go and was just waiting for the cube stickers to arrive

Now that everyone has banked rolled his product a different story comes out !
Message: Posted by: EZrhythm (Sep 5, 2016 03:04AM)
Darn straight pre-orders bankroll releases. Why do creators have a pre-sale before manufacturing is complete? It's a long time known business tool. It tests the waters. The creator wants the lowest cost per unit on that Chinese purchase order.
:spinningcoin:

TO GREG! :cheers: ...For being a successful magician and business man!
Message: Posted by: pegasus (Sep 5, 2016 05:00AM)
[quote]On Sep 5, 2016, EZrhythm wrote:
Darn straight pre-orders bankroll releases. Why do creators have a pre-sale before manufacturing is complete? It's a long time known business tool. It tests the waters. The creator wants the lowest cost per unit on that Chinese purchase order.
:spinningcoin:

TO GREG! :cheers: ...For being a successful magician and business man! [/quote]

Took the words out of my mouth.
Message: Posted by: Paul S Wingham (Sep 5, 2016 06:37AM)
Surely people cannot be so naïve that they could not possibly envisage a scenario arising, that the creator could not foresee that results in a small delay? You've genuinely never experienced anything similar, ever in your life? Seems unlikely to me. Especially when you consider; this isn't the manufacturing mite of a company like Apple or Ford; it's a small privately funded operation.

I don't think it really needs to be said, but if I were releasing an effect; I'd very explicitly state that the product is aiming for a September release date but until the manufacture process begins; its hard to determine yields and wastage etc and it could be delayed. I'd also be very clear if the pre order funds, were being used to cover the cost of manufacture. That's pretty much how it works isn't it; when you back something that isn't made already.

I do think those that are getting all irate, need to keep things in perspective a little bit. Especially as you were given a nice discount as a sweetener for the fact it wasn't available immediately. I've just backed a pebble time 2 watch and wont be shocked if it's delayed for a short amount of time relative to the initial pledge; it happens. I think you need to apply a bit of proportionality here and keep in mind the reputation of the creator.
Message: Posted by: jnork (Sep 5, 2016 10:14AM)
[quote]
Greg said mid September for delivery and we aren't there yet
[/quote]

No, Michael, ACTUALLY Greg said it would be ready for August 1 delivery and that has passed. How soon we forget. LOL.

theoriginalman: I may end up taking you up on that offer. Your offer is pretty appealing to me at this time. Let me think about that.

Jason
Message: Posted by: jnork (Sep 5, 2016 12:52PM)
[quote]On Sep 4, 2016, theoriginalman wrote:
If there is anyone in this thread that is so upset,doubtful or dissatisfied with the delay of their purchase and wish to cancel their order don't. I will gladly take this off of your hands for the exceptional discount price. Now lets see how many "dissatisfied" customers take me up on my offer.

Thank You [/quote]

Hey original. Thinking about your offer ... Yep I'm in. You can take it off my hands.
I'll send you a PM and we'll see how we have to work this out.
Jason
Message: Posted by: jnork (Sep 5, 2016 12:57PM)
PM sent.
Jason
Message: Posted by: MichaelMann (Sep 5, 2016 01:53PM)
[quote]On Sep 5, 2016, jnork wrote:
[quote]
Greg said mid September for delivery and we aren't there yet
[/quote]

No, Michael, ACTUALLY Greg said it would be ready for August 1 delivery and that has passed. How soon we forget. LOL.

Jason [/quote]


Actually Jason you seem to have poor reading comprehension. This was Greg's last update posted on the Café:

4) I don't want to provide a hard deadline date for completion, as my goal is to make Rubicon PERFECT. That said, I'm expecting mid-September.

Again, we aren't there yet. Be patient little one.

MM
Message: Posted by: jnork (Sep 5, 2016 03:05PM)
[quote]On Jul 16, 2016, Gregory Wilson wrote:
As far as shipping, the only thing missing right now are the customized stickers, which are tracked to be here on July 21st and easily shipped out by August 1st. [/quote]

Michael ... can you explain? What's up with that? Why? What happened? Let us know ...

Yes Michael, then AFTER that Greg posts a note that there was a problem in the manufacture that caused a delay. I completely agree with you Michael. 100%.

Now Michael, do YOU agree with me that we were told it would be ready by August 1st? That the ONLY thing he was waiting on was customized stickers to be shipped to him?

Was it told to us it would be ready Aug 1st? Yes or no? Waiting Michael ....
Was it sent August 1st? Yes or no? Waiting Michael ...

So Michael ... I'm reading that (In your thoughts) as long as we're UPDATED that August 1st changes to 'Mid September' (45 days late) but we're NOTIFIED? It's ok?
Nope.
Not in my book.
Not without a word or two as to WHY from the creator.

So what if 'Mid-September' Changes to late Sept. but (in your mind) we're notified, we're ok?
Nope.
Not in my book.

BUT if a delay on a 'PERFECT' cube moves completion from late Sept. to late Oct. but it's communicated to us ... we're ok?
Nope.
Not in my book.

I'm out.

Waiting for theoriginalman (or anyone else) to paypal funds and I'll happily send my Rubicon out when it's received.

Again, I LOVE Greg's material BUT I don't need the effect and I'm not going to be performing it for at least a year so it's a no-brainer for me at this point to let it go.

Will it be good? YES
Will Greg ship it? YES
Will it be worth it? YES
Will it be a GREAT effect? YES
Will it have gone into my repertoire ? YES
Is Greg reputable? Hell YES.

But I'm a business man. From a stand-point of business, FOR ME this was not a good move, nor a good thread for Greg.

I'm out.

If I don't hear from theoriginalman in a few days, YES, I'll be asking for a refund.

Jason
Message: Posted by: MichaelMann (Sep 5, 2016 07:20PM)
Wow Jason, calm down little guy. Obviously there was a problem found after Greg posted on July 16th. It happens. How many tricks have YOU manufactured? He then told us that mid September was the new estimate. He wants it to be perfect before it's released. That's good business. I doubt he would refuse to issue a refund to those who don't want to wait.

You really need to find a way to relax buddy. It's just a magic trick pre-order delay. There are worse things happening in this world.

MM
Message: Posted by: magicnorm (Sep 5, 2016 08:59PM)
Business man or not, how do you go from your Sept 1 post to this insane rant. Not being a good thread for Gregg seems to be becoming a mission for some. Cancel your orders and get your money and sanity back. Its funny how tempers are guided and fueled to new heights in such a short time. Anyone this upset should get there money back and stop assassinating peoples character, it doesn't help the situation, you or anyone. And apparently NEVER NEVER PREORDER AGAIN.

NM
Message: Posted by: jnork (Sep 6, 2016 07:19AM)
[quote]On Sep 5, 2016, jnork wrote:
Now Michael, do YOU agree with me that we were told it would be ready by August 1st? That the ONLY thing he was waiting on was customized stickers to be shipped to him?

Was it told to us it would be ready Aug 1st? Yes or no? Waiting Michael ....
Was it sent August 1st? Yes or no? Waiting Michael ...
[/quote]

Just woke up after chilling with family and friends with a nice, home-made Cabernet in my hands ... some nice smoked pork butt and a bonfire. Yes, there are more important things in the world then a silly magic trick :) and I know that.

Michael, to answer your questions (which I'll point out you didn't seem to answer mine above--seems I'm still waiting LOL)

What changed since Sept 1? Not much aside from me taking a bit more time to think about the delay, ALSO the offer from someone to take it off my hands. I'm in. Seems pretty reasonable to me.

How many tricks have I manufactured? NONE. I'm not a creator of tricks. I'm a presenter/performer. I would never pass myself off as an inventor. It's not my forte. I would make absolutely no sense for me to do so. But, I'm pretty good at themeing shows: you know, putting together other tricks and routines with patter to get across a common point. So, I see this as a bit like it wouldn't make any sense for me to sell a 'Halloween Themed' Show without having all the necessary props, routine, patter and rehearsal before selling it to my clients. But I do, and they book it. Then I tell them after it's been booked and a deposit has been sent that I can't do this part...or this party and this because my head chopper and doll house didn't get delivered ... and my one-way forcing deck is on back order because of a delay BUT all my stuff should be in by November 13th, I'll happily do the show for you then.


Jason
Message: Posted by: Decomposed (Sep 6, 2016 07:50PM)
Everyone take a deep breath. Rubicon will be here.....things happen...delays etc. Its going to be worth the wait...IN the mean time you can be learning how to solve the cube....not a deal breaker but it sure will come in handy that is a given. I have been doing cube effects throughout the years and never knew how to solve. Taking it apart is a pain in the butt...just spend the time and it is a big ego boast once you can do it. Especially if you are going from show to show.

Decomposing Parts :readingbook:
Message: Posted by: pegasus (Sep 6, 2016 09:22PM)
I've been able to solve the cube since 1983. Back then everyone was mega impressed. I'm afraid the cube just does not hold the same fascination now than it did then. It's kinda seen as an old relic nowadays.
Message: Posted by: The Duster (Sep 6, 2016 09:46PM)
So...

For this amount of money

When the cube is magically solved [one handed] can you show all 6 sides [?] solved

I think from the video you can

I guess that's what you are paying for

As only being able to show 5 sides - I could make for people ... $300 can deliver it by mid sept

Prsonally I think the cube has gone from being popular/everywhere, to being old and stale, and now onto being far enough away [in time] from it's 'craze' heyday to being interesting to bring out and perform with

I can imagine a routine in the mid 90's feeling like you hadn't changed your act in a decade

But a young magician doing this now, could seem fresh
Message: Posted by: James Diamond (Sep 7, 2016 11:01PM)
Never pre ordered an effect before in my life, but something allured me to this one.

Must have been the early bird discount, or maybe even the slightly "higher price" that meant that it will hopefully stay out of the hands of the young casual crowd (...at least that is, until the knock offs unfortunately come out :/). Greg's name doesn't hurt it either, as there's a pretty solid and reputable (IMHO) track record there.

Must admit, I was a little bit disapointed that Greg wasn't there to demo it to us at Magic Live in Vegas last month but what can you do. Conflicting schedule I guess. Still, from what I saw whenever I walked past the table it seemed to be selling like hotcakes regardless and always had a good amount of interest form onloookers looking at the Video Trailer which was on loop.

I am pretty excited for it, but adding everything together, I don't think we will be getting it till around October / November at the earliest, which is a bit of a shame as I would have liked to have had the time to have it for this Christmas season gigs.
Message: Posted by: Decomposed (Sep 8, 2016 01:20PM)
Rubik's cube popularity has been dead since the 80s but has not stopped the amazement with it. Ask Steve B. or better yet, look at the reactions and success he had with it on AGT and Fool Us. Greg has been using it for 10 years and it is the highlight of his act.

I have been having fun playing with it and solving it and only learned it because I needed it for Rubicon (clean up and reset).

As long as it is a high quality product (sure it will be), the wait is a minor nuisance to me. :pirate:
Message: Posted by: Decomposed (Sep 8, 2016 01:22PM)
[quote]On Sep 6, 2016, The Duster wrote:
So...

For this amount of money

When the cube is magically solved [one handed] can you show all 6 sides [?] solved

I think from the video you can

I guess that's what you are paying for

As only being able to show 5 sides - I could make for people ... $300 can deliver it by mid sept

Prsonally I think the cube has gone from being popular/everywhere, to being old and stale, and now onto being far enough away [in time] from it's 'craze' heyday to being interesting to bring out and perform with

I can imagine a routine in the mid 90's feeling like you hadn't changed your act in a decade

But a young magician doing this now, could seem fresh [/quote]

In the demos seen you can show all six sides.....Greg does.
Message: Posted by: JackMagic (Sep 8, 2016 02:28PM)
[quote]On Sep 2, 2016, Jack Straw wrote:
So that's his attitude, right?

Some of us should calm the !@#$ down?

It's our fault, not his, right?

Michael, since you apparently are Greg's mouthpiece now, please explain one thing to me and then I'll shut up.

How did a manufacturing problem occur AFTER the only thing missing was the stickers?

I know that I am only an egg, but I can't figure that one out.

[quote]On Jul 16, 2016, Gregory Wilson wrote:

As far as shipping, the only thing missing right now are the customized stickers, which are tracked to be here on July 21st and easily shipped out by August 1st.

[/quote]

I'm still betting on no shipment this month.

Something else will come up.

I am a mentalist, after all.

Another prediction:

This thread gets locked soon. [/quote]

Stickers must have got lost in the post

What a lame excuse!

Well done to Jack for showing his true colours!
Message: Posted by: Infographicmagicreviews (Sep 8, 2016 02:51PM)
Anything with Greg's name attached to it is a no brainer for me!
Message: Posted by: EZrhythm (Sep 8, 2016 03:57PM)
Agreed! ...The product will be shipped out when it's ready and none to soon.

Be sure to remember page 16 of this thread as that will be where the reviews and 'product in hand' discussion will begin! :coolspot:
Message: Posted by: Justin Lewis (Sep 12, 2016 05:19PM)
I bought a speed cube to mess around with.... I can't solve The Cube lol
:(
Message: Posted by: catweazle (Sep 13, 2016 07:20AM)
[quote]On Sep 12, 2016, Justin Lewis wrote:
I bought a speed cube to mess around with.... I can't solve The Cube lol
:( [/quote]
Cube3 has great teaching, took me about 2 weeks to get it down, or failing that just go on youtube.
Message: Posted by: theoriginalman (Sep 13, 2016 01:42PM)
Just purchase a regular rubics cube,they come with instructions on how to solve it. With a little practice you will be able to solve it in no time.
Message: Posted by: Decomposed (Sep 13, 2016 06:07PM)
Yeah took me less then a week, actually a few days to solve. You will get frustrated and want to quit. Just keep at it. Using You Tube how to videos. I find the cube easier now then the Pyraminix. Solving will help with reset later on when Rubicon stickers arrive.
Message: Posted by: wjkrysak (Sep 13, 2016 10:32PM)
Yes, I have engaged in practice and solution, with Cube3 while waiting for my preorder. I am building my confidence :} and eagerly waiting for my delivery of rubicon. Patience is a virtue. Enjoy your magic. bill
Message: Posted by: Justin Lewis (Sep 15, 2016 12:33PM)
Thanks guys! Bought one the other day and got Cube3!
we should be getting rubicon within a few weeks. I Want to get my hands ready!
Message: Posted by: Decomposed (Sep 16, 2016 10:11PM)
Im with ya Justin, I already have rubic demonstration pictured in my winter shows....Had dream about it, all set and ready....Cube 3 is great also but for mentalism, I really need my Rubicon.... :righton:
Message: Posted by: Steve Suss (Sep 17, 2016 12:38PM)
What's the difference between cube 3 and Rubicon or do I have to read 13 pages of posts? Thanks
Message: Posted by: Tim Hannig (Sep 17, 2016 12:52PM)
Cube 3 -- takes practice and skill... longer brilliant routine

Rubicon -- gimmicked shorter routine -- will take considerably less practice and skill

Both are great
Message: Posted by: catweazle (Sep 17, 2016 12:53PM)
Different effects, and different skills

Rubicon has you matching a specs random mixed cube done behind the back, not so in cube3
Rubicon has you solve a cube behind the back, but requires no real skill, cube3 takes practice

both work well together though as shown on TV

with rubicon, the clue is in the name
Message: Posted by: videoman (Sep 17, 2016 12:56PM)
Combining the gimmick of Rubicon with the skill of Cube 3 (and Cube FX, which is also very good) could make for a powerful combination.
I wonder if Steven Brundage uses the Rubicon gimmick on a regular basis now?
Message: Posted by: Decomposed (Sep 17, 2016 08:27PM)
TO have one full show of Rubic must be nice....Steve really made a brand for himself this year.
Message: Posted by: videoman (Sep 20, 2016 03:19AM)
Just noticed that Greg's website now says it is scheduled to ship in late September. So that probably means a couple more weeks.
Message: Posted by: pegasus (Sep 20, 2016 05:26AM)
[quote]On Sep 20, 2016, videoman wrote:
Just noticed that Greg's website now says it is scheduled to ship in late September. So that probably means a couple more weeks. [/quote]
:sun:
Message: Posted by: Justin Lewis (Sep 20, 2016 10:37AM)
[quote]On Sep 20, 2016, videoman wrote:
Just noticed that Greg's website now says it is scheduled to ship in late September. So that probably means a couple more weeks. [/quote]
👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻
Message: Posted by: Decomposed (Sep 22, 2016 04:30AM)
[quote]On Sep 20, 2016, Justin Lewis wrote:
[quote]On Sep 20, 2016, videoman wrote:
Just noticed that Greg's website now says it is scheduled to ship in late September. So that probably means a couple more weeks. [/quote]
👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻 [/quote]


Alright.........kewl..getting close. :applause:
Message: Posted by: Justin Lewis (Sep 26, 2016 10:37PM)
It may be a Rubicon week? I'm sure we all we see some reviews early next week!
Message: Posted by: videoman (Sep 26, 2016 11:13PM)
Lets start a pool, which will be released first...Rubicon or refills for The Movie by Gee Magic?
Message: Posted by: funboy247 (Sep 27, 2016 06:01AM)
I wrote SecretSource an email twice. No response :-(
Message: Posted by: Stevethomas (Sep 27, 2016 10:08AM)
I've emailed, as well.

Steve
Message: Posted by: JackMagic (Sep 27, 2016 11:01AM)
[quote]On Sep 4, 2016, JackMagic wrote:
[quote]On Sep 2, 2016, Jack Straw wrote:
I really don't want to get involved here, BUT.....

In July Greg said that he was only waiting for the printed labels for Rubicon (and that right there should tell you something about Rubicon), and that they would be received in a few days, and that Rubicon would DEFINITELY ship by August 1st.

Then a week later he said that there were other things wrong with what he had already received.

So, if he had everything except the labels, then there was no quality control check on the things that he already had in stock.

Or maybe nothing was in stock at the time that he said that.

But his trip to Europe went off on time.

Magicians are very good at deception.

All I can say is that I'm tired of the BS here.

And we allow it to happen.

Well, some of us do.

Once I get messed over, I never buy from that person again.

And by the way, I am a mentalist, and here is my prediction:

Rubicon will NOT ship in September.

Write it down.

But, of course, I have an out hidden underneath my keyboard! [/quote]

This is why Jack is a great mentalist , I have a feeling he will be sport on with his prediction !

In fairness Greg did not say what year it would ship so it could be Sep 2017 !!!

I got had once with a pre order took over 6 months for an item that was going to ship in 2 weeks
After that experince I have saved a lot of time and money by waiting for the item to be out before I part with my $$$$$

All the dealers hype " When they are gone they are gone "

Does not wash with me ! [/quote]

Almost ready in July and now end of September and nothing but BS

Don't you like the way he has communicated to everyone now that the money is safely in his bank

Remember the PayPal time limit is running out !
Message: Posted by: funboy247 (Sep 27, 2016 02:01PM)
Got an email from Greg today. The Rubicon will be shipped within the nex 7-10 days. :-)
Message: Posted by: RNK (Sep 27, 2016 02:07PM)
[quote]On Sep 27, 2016, funboy247 wrote:
Got an email from Greg today. The Rubicon will be shipped within the nex 7-10 days. :-) [/quote]


Ahhhhh! Nice! Looking forward to receiving this!
Message: Posted by: Stevethomas (Sep 27, 2016 02:58PM)
Got my email from him, too. Wasn't a form letter, either.

Steve
Message: Posted by: Jack Straw (Sep 27, 2016 09:56PM)
[quote]On Sep 2, 2016, Jack Straw wrote:

And by the way, I am a mentalist, and here is my prediction:

Rubicon will NOT ship in September.

Write it down.
[/quote]

Seven to ten days is not September.

Nothing more for me to say.
Message: Posted by: Decomposed (Sep 27, 2016 10:28PM)
No email but thanks brothers for update....looks like end of first week of next month....
Message: Posted by: James Diamond (Sep 27, 2016 11:51PM)
Yep, I messaged Greg yesterday and received a similar response.

He says: "That said, everything should be ready to ship out in about 7-10 days."

For what it's worth just note he says *should* not *will*.

Fingers crossed though, not long now! Getting pretty excited again for this!
Message: Posted by: funboy247 (Sep 28, 2016 08:37AM)
For me it`s ok. I ordered it at Magic Live and I knew about the problems they had. I absolutely trust Greg and I`m sure I won`t be disappointed with the result. Better to have a delay and bring out a product with good quality instead of put something on the market like the VAPR. I think you all know what I mean.
Message: Posted by: RNK (Sep 28, 2016 09:01AM)
[quote]On Sep 28, 2016, funboy247 wrote:
For me it`s ok. I ordered it at Magic Live and I knew about the problems they had. I absolutely trust Greg and I`m sure I won`t be disappointed with the result. Better to have a delay and bring out a product with good quality instead of put something on the market like the VAPR. I think you all know what I mean. [/quote]

Yes! Agree. And most of us know and understand what you mean!! Starting to get excited now!!!
Message: Posted by: Decomposed (Sep 28, 2016 09:18PM)
No email, I better email Greg....
Message: Posted by: Tony Venetico (Oct 4, 2016 09:36PM)
Anyone get any updates? I've been quiet and patient since I preordered, and haven't complained.....but I've heard nothing since Greg's original "delay" email - just curious
Message: Posted by: James Diamond (Oct 4, 2016 11:07PM)
Greg put an update on Facebook 3 hours ago saying that everything should be ready to ship out in about 7-10 days.
Message: Posted by: Justin Lewis (Oct 4, 2016 11:32PM)
It's coming guys! Patients 😉🤓
Message: Posted by: EZrhythm (Oct 4, 2016 11:40PM)
[quote]On Sep 27, 2016, James Diamond wrote:
Yep, I messaged Greg yesterday and received a similar response.

He says: "That said, everything should be ready to ship out in about 7-10 days."

For what it's worth just note he says *should* not *will*.

Fingers crossed though, not long now! Getting pretty excited again for this! [/quote]

Note that this was said a week ago too. Poor Greg, he must be have one hell of a time getting this ready.
Message: Posted by: On The Offbeat (Oct 5, 2016 12:06AM)
[quote]On Oct 4, 2016, EZrhythm wrote:


Note that this was said a week ago too. Poor Greg, he must be have one hell of a time getting this ready. [/quote]

No doubt Greg is losing some (more :)) hair over the release of this product.
I'm not complaining because I'm in no hurry but sales just from members of the Café alone have likely put thousands of dollars in Greg's pocket so I think at this point he really should post here with an updated status report.
It's more than good business it's just common courtesy.
And I'm sorry, but being really busy doesn't outweigh being courteous to your customers.
Hopefully we will hear something from Greg soon.
Message: Posted by: RNK (Oct 5, 2016 07:33AM)
I did receive an email! Getting excited now!! Sounds like it's very soon. And what's even more awesome, Greg is offering any 3 FREE downloads from his site for the delay!!!!

Thanks Greg!!

RNK
Message: Posted by: dylanxtay (Oct 5, 2016 08:09AM)
[quote]On Oct 5, 2016, RNK wrote:
I did receive an email! Getting excited now!! Sounds like it's very soon. And what's even more awesome, Greg is offering any 3 FREE downloads from his site for the delay!!!!

Thanks Greg!!

RNK [/quote]


Weird how I've never received any email from Greg or anyone from Secret Sources, despite pre-ordering/ purchasing the effect way back in July. Glad to hear that there's some progress behind the scene tho.
Message: Posted by: videoman (Oct 5, 2016 10:26AM)
[quote]On Oct 4, 2016, EZrhythm wrote:
[quote]On Sep 27, 2016, James Diamond wrote:
Yep, I messaged Greg yesterday and received a similar response.

He says: "That said, everything should be ready to ship out in about 7-10 days."

For what it's worth just note he says *should* not *will*.

Fingers crossed though, not long now! Getting pretty excited again for this! [/quote]

Note that this was said a week ago too. Poor Greg, he must be have one hell of a time getting this ready. [/quote]


Maybe Greg is going to announce "7-10 days", 7-10 more times.

I haven't received an email from Greg. Does he just send a few out at a time?
Odd way of doing business. Gotta love these performers who try and get into the selling side of the business.

RNK, doesn't he have only a couple downloads on his site?
So it doesn't mean much if you already own them.
Message: Posted by: Phatmeat (Oct 5, 2016 01:04PM)
Never received any email updates either.
Message: Posted by: magicmusic (Oct 5, 2016 01:14PM)
Add me to the list of folks anxiously awaiting some sort of divine intervention or, at the very least, a follow-up from Mr. Anderson. I called thesecretsource phone number, got an abrupt phone message and then a message that the voice mailbox was FULL! I also sent an email and never received even a generic follow-up. This stinks and $350 is NOT a "drop-in-the-bucket miser's dream" either!!!!

I think that it is also very deceptive that RUBICON is advertised as being "In Stock" on the website (at least it was the LAST time I checked). Yes, magic is a deceptive art but, fellow magicians should be treated fairly and honestly.

I will be patient for a little while longer. If Greg reads this forum, it would be helpful to remind him (at the very least) that an occasional email "blast" to all of us who ordered RUBICON is a show of good faith and, something we all deserve for supporting him.

Your thoughts?
Message: Posted by: gunthard (Oct 5, 2016 01:15PM)
I canceled the order 14 days ago and after three days I got the money back.
Message: Posted by: Daren (Oct 5, 2016 01:18PM)
I'm giving it a few more days, I might consider cancelling if another post to say another 7-10 days!!!
Message: Posted by: Jack Straw (Oct 5, 2016 01:34PM)
I wouldn't cancel if I already waited this long.

Even I think that it's coming soon, although "soon" is an undefined period of time.

Remember that there is a money back guarantee if you're not satisfied.

At least wait and see if you are satisfied.

You could be canceling the trick that people will always talk about.
Message: Posted by: dman11 (Oct 5, 2016 01:51PM)
He has pictures on his facebook of a huge stack of cubes and packaging...
Message: Posted by: Gregory Wilson (Oct 5, 2016 03:12PM)
Gentlemen,

Just in case you haven't heard the latest update yet . . .

First, I am alive! : )

Second, I recently returned from a 7-week, 9-country lecture/performance tour and the new gimmick for Rubicon (that was regrettably ill-fitted the first time since the cube and gimmick came from two different vendors) was being modified and assembled while I was away. That said, I had the highest hopes to put it out in September, but now it looks like everything should realistically be ready to ship out in about 7-10 days. (Likely 7 days, but need the extra buffer of 10 days so I'm not the boy who cried wolf AGAIN).

Third, everyone is completely justified in losing or diminishing their faith and I take full responsibility for this fiasco -- which is really frustrating since much of this was out of my control, with me at the mercy of my suppliers. That said, I'd like to thank you for your everlasting patience and hope you find it worth the wait and get as much performance pleasure out of Rubicon as I have over the years.

Fourth, being on tour took up TONS of my time and the last thing I wanted to do was keep promising what I wasn't sure of myself -- which is why I had radio silence for a while. If you have any questions whatsoever, do not hesitate to email or Facebook me and I will answer them personally as I have over the last few weeks.

Hope you all understand and I can regain your trust and support. : ))))

Regards,

Gregory Wilson

PS If you go to my recent Facebook post, you'll see the photos of how very close I am to the finish line.
Message: Posted by: magicmusic (Oct 5, 2016 03:36PM)
OK, this is more like it! Heard back from Mr. RUBICON himself and now, I'm a believer, again! There is hope!
Message: Posted by: LoganPorterMagic (Oct 5, 2016 05:26PM)
Been waiting for this one. I am a huge fan of Greg and a new fan of Rubik's cube magic.. Can't wait for this one to hit the market!
Message: Posted by: EZrhythm (Oct 6, 2016 12:33AM)
My trust and support remains, Greg... ROCK ON! -Or should I say, RUBIC-ON!
Message: Posted by: Tim Hannig (Oct 6, 2016 01:34AM)
Greg....

Thanks for the update.

Hundy and Exact Change have served me well for many years....

I jumped on this right away back in July, and can't wait to get it!
Message: Posted by: funboy247 (Oct 6, 2016 06:34AM)
That sounds great
Message: Posted by: Sealegs (Oct 6, 2016 07:57AM)
[url=https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10154653598964073&set=pcb.10154653617319073&type=3&theater] This photo [/url] from Greg's Facebook page caught my attention.

In the same way that a cartoon cat might see a farmyard hen as walking roast chicken I can't help look at this photo and see a huge pile of money! :wow:

Good for him :)
Message: Posted by: On The Offbeat (Oct 6, 2016 02:46PM)
Greg, thanks for the update. We've all been patient this far so not a big deal to wait a short time longer.
I know it's tempting but please don't get this close to the finish line and then hastily rush them out the door.
Take the time needed to get those stickers put on just right and be able to pay attention to details, as well as give each a proper QC.
Message: Posted by: QuailCreek (Oct 6, 2016 08:02PM)
I totally agree with On The Offbeat. I don't mind waiting a little longer to make sure everything meets your stsndards, Greg.
Message: Posted by: FelixKraus (Oct 6, 2016 08:20PM)
Can't wait for this beast..
Message: Posted by: mistervader (Oct 9, 2016 05:44AM)
I cannot wait. When Mr. Wilson was here in Manila, I was one of the few who, sight unseen, ordered Rubicon after being told that it is a feat involving rubik's cubes (One of my favorite items for mentalism shows.) and was only further enticed instead of scared off by the not-negligible price tag, if only because this is Greg Wilson we're talking about here. Really looking forward to this, as I do believe a variation or something of the sort has recently been performed in America's Got Talent, or am I sorely mistaken?
Message: Posted by: theoriginalman (Oct 11, 2016 04:33PM)
I feel extremely fortunate to have been able to purchase this at the pre-sale price from a fellow Café member as I did not have the funds available at the time of the sale. I believe that this will be worth the price and the patience, especially considering the source, Gregory Wilson. I would like to think that Greg has been around long enough for me to earn trust in him and his product and this is why when it was offered to me my a member , I jumped at the deal. Once again I believe that those who have waited will be rewarded with a item that reflects the integrity of its creator. Thank you Greg for sharing this item with us.
Message: Posted by: videoman (Oct 11, 2016 05:23PM)
Curious to see if this just shows up in our mailboxes one day or if we get any kind of heads up.
I guess it will depend on how quickly it gets delivered to the area that you're in.
Message: Posted by: James Diamond (Oct 12, 2016 01:50AM)
Interesting point video man.

Will find out soon enough I guess, as based off Greg's last message these will be ready to ship between tomorrow and this weekend.

Time to start keeping an eye on that postal delivery truck!
Message: Posted by: Decomposed (Oct 14, 2016 04:23PM)
Nice to see and hope I will be ready to perform this at a big holiday casino show in December... :sure..:
Message: Posted by: Magicalos (Oct 14, 2016 10:30PM)
Gotta be any day now!?
Message: Posted by: Gregory Wilson (Oct 15, 2016 10:10AM)
Gentleman of Great Patience,

FINALLY, I'm starting to ship out Rubicon orders according to the purchase date of each customer. So the guys who ordered in 1984 are at the front of the line. : )

Some got sent yesterday, some will go out today and the remaining on Monday, Tuesday and Wednesday as they get assembled and packaged accordingly.

Now that the manufacturing dust is settling, I can tell you that this was one harrowing experience since there were so many moving parts and I was beholden to the output promises of each supplier who either misspoke, miscalculated or flat out misinformed me of their respective delivery dates. Granted, the pre-purchasers got a healthy discount, but the process was so UN-FUN for many of us that I'll likely never use this marketing strategy again. In the future, I have a revolutionary idea -- I'll share a new idea when it's ready! : )

That said, I hope you find Rubicon worth the wait and get as much performance pleasure from it as I have over the last 10 or so years. I should also remind you that this little miracle can be done close-up, stand-up and surrounded. I perform it regularly at The Magic Castle (Close-Up, Parlour and Palace), on three TV specials (America, Korea and Finland) and the main stage at Blackpool with 3,500 magicians watching on the big screen. So I feel quite confident of its impact as a formal performance piece with a strong beginning, middle and end. It also doesn't hurt that Rubik's Cubes have never been more popular, especially with the help of Steven Brundage, who performed Rubicon on America's Got Talent.

Please message me personally on Facebook or email to keep me apprised of your progress and experiences. Even share it here on The Café so I can appreciate and address the feedback -- positive or negative.

Wrapping up, I have to thank each and every one of you pre-purchasers for your faith, patience and understanding!
Message: Posted by: The Duster (Oct 15, 2016 12:29PM)
[quote]On Oct 15, 2016, Gregory Wilson wrote:
especially with the help of Steven Brundage, who performed Rubicon on America's Got Talent.
[/quote]

What???

Steven didn't use a real cube on AGT [?]

That is both news and a surprise*


* to me
Message: Posted by: Xcath1 (Oct 15, 2016 02:12PM)
Steve did many Cube pieces on AGT, most with a regular cube but Rubicon was used in one of his routines
Message: Posted by: King14 (Oct 15, 2016 02:23PM)
Maybe another discount for the people who missed the first run as I was only 7 in 1984 and would love to purchase one
Message: Posted by: King14 (Oct 15, 2016 02:24PM)
Maybe another discount for the people who missed the first run as I was only 7 in 1984 and would love to purchase one
Message: Posted by: Stevethomas (Oct 16, 2016 01:08AM)
I'm now 53, so mine should arrive.....what? 15 years ago? Even if delivered by CARRIER PIGEON or SMOKe SIGNAL.

Steve.
Message: Posted by: Justin Lewis (Oct 16, 2016 07:31PM)
Hello out there and Happy Sunday! It is at least a very happy Sunday for me and soon all the folks who ordered Rubicon. I live very close to Greg and today I met him at his warehouse which is a pretty impressive place to say the least! Greg showed me the ins and outs of how this beauty works and its pretty *** impressive! EASY to do and It is made with extreme quality! The gimmick will even fool you! Im not kidding here, we both lost track of the gimmick when it was in play as he was teaching me its workings. The Cube with the gimmick can be right under your very own nose and you can be fooled. Incredibly made with such an extreme tolerance. Did I mention its easy! I really cant solve a cube, greg showed me how the cube is solved during the first phase and I can do it now with no problem.... at 40 seconds...i am sure I can get under 10 seconds very soon with a little practice.

So Here is what you get!

First lets discuse the packaging. Rubicon comes with a very well made box that looks amazing! The box holds your cubes in a "foam mold" so its kept safe. The box also has everything you need to perform Rubicon. You get backup stickers to replace used ones over time. A small tool to loosen the cube or tighten it based on your preference. You also receive a little black plastic razor blade to remove old stickers, everything was thought of with this packaged deal! The instructions/training will be available through streaming formate... I really wanted to post pictures of the metal business card which is laser cut with RUBICON and the website to watch the instructions. Small things like this make things huge in my opinion.

I wrote briefly above about the stealthiness of the Gimmick. Without giving too much away I will be limited here. I am home now and I've closely looked at the Gimmick on the cube and off the cube... it is extremly well made. You will be happy and with this I can see many ways of performing a cube effect. There is room for creativity!

I also got to see the mistakes Greg talked about from his last manufacture which held up its release.. I am thrilled Greg did not settle with those and pushed for what I have now! Well worth the wait! I am hard to impress as I do have a lot of items that have been sold to mentalist over the years, This is something Greg and his team have gone through a lot to make this release happen with a high quality product which will last for years!

Go order yours now if you are on that fence!
Message: Posted by: EZrhythm (Oct 16, 2016 09:25PM)
Thank You for the review and update... Sounds quite awesome!

...And how much did you pay for yours, Justin?
Message: Posted by: Justin Lewis (Oct 16, 2016 09:50PM)
[quote]On Oct 16, 2016, EZrhythm wrote:
Thank You for the review and update... Sounds quite awesome!

...And how much did you pay for yours, Justin? [/quote]

No prob :) The preordered price that was offered a few months ago
Message: Posted by: magimark (Oct 16, 2016 11:37PM)
Thank you Justin for the review. Now I am really getting anxious for mine. Glad to hear the positive review.
Message: Posted by: Decomposed (Oct 16, 2016 11:53PM)
Great review Justin, thanks, cant wait to get mine. COngrats on solving the cube too!! I usually do a solve 5-6 times a week to stay sharp until Rubicon arrives.
Message: Posted by: Magicalos (Oct 17, 2016 09:07AM)
Justin thanks for the review! I'm super jelly I don't live by his warehouse! I'm in the midwest :/ super excited they are shipping this week though!!! cant wait!!!!!!
Message: Posted by: Stevethomas (Oct 17, 2016 09:54AM)
So...are they shipping this week?

Steve
Message: Posted by: On The Offbeat (Oct 17, 2016 01:38PM)
[quote]On Oct 17, 2016, Stevethomas wrote:
So...are they shipping this week?

Steve [/quote]

According to GW they actually began shipping last week. So some folks could even have theirs show up today.
I would guess most domestic purchasers should have them by the end of the week. :D
Message: Posted by: Magicalos (Oct 17, 2016 02:05PM)
Anyone that gets a package in the mail, can you do us a favor? check your order status on gregs site and let us know if they have updated it to show that it has shipped? mine just shows paid so far curious how quick they are to update it to show shipping status. can you tell I'm anxious much?? :D
Message: Posted by: Stevethomas (Oct 17, 2016 02:59PM)
USPS, FedEx, UPS or some other method?

Steve
Message: Posted by: Decomposed (Oct 17, 2016 05:36PM)
Ya please do tell. I suspect USPS. Nothing in box today when I woke up at 5 pm. Its like waiting for Christmas all over again at age 5. :huh: :coffee:
Message: Posted by: Magicalos (Oct 18, 2016 12:05PM)
The wait is killing me!
Message: Posted by: Justin Lewis (Oct 18, 2016 12:55PM)
You guys should get yours this week or the start of next week from my understanding. Thus far I really think this is a very high quality release. 10/10 so far!
its better than I thought!
Message: Posted by: Decomposed (Oct 18, 2016 05:52PM)
Justin, great review and updates!!!
Message: Posted by: EZrhythm (Oct 19, 2016 11:53PM)
WHAT?!!! Four days after the 15th which is the last buffer day that RUBICON was to begin to ship and still no... "I RECEIVED MY RUBICON TODAY!" ???
Message: Posted by: Justin Lewis (Oct 20, 2016 12:38AM)
In received mine. The rest are in shipment now
Message: Posted by: On The Offbeat (Oct 20, 2016 12:40AM)
[quote]On Oct 15, 2016, Gregory Wilson wrote:

FINALLY, I'm starting to ship out Rubicon orders according to the purchase date of each customer.

Some got sent yesterday, some will go out today and the remaining on Monday, Tuesday and Wednesday [/quote]

So according to Greg, all remaining orders should have shipped today. Surprising that no one here has received theirs yet if they began shipping almost a week ago.
But then I ran Greg's quote through the Google magic creators conversion program and it said that the translation of Greg's quote actually means that they should begin shipping next week. :D
Message: Posted by: Alym Amlani (Oct 20, 2016 02:03AM)
Wooooo ooooh! Mine arrived today and IT. IS. AWESOME!

I can't wait to play with this some more.

It's incredibly well made, and of super high quality. I will report back once I've had a chance to work with this a bit more, but my first impressions are incredibly positive. I don't want to give anything away, but I was actually quite surprised by the gimmick :) Greg's pretty *** clever.

This absolutely is worth the money and highly recommended.
Message: Posted by: James Diamond (Oct 20, 2016 02:41AM)
Hopefully it doesn't take too long for my pre-order to arrive to Australia. I'm pretty amped! :)
Message: Posted by: videoman (Oct 20, 2016 03:33AM)
[quote]On Oct 20, 2016, Alym Amlani wrote:
Wooooo ooooh! Mine arrived today and IT. IS. AWESOME!

I can't wait to play with this some more.

It's incredibly well made, and of super high quality. I will report back once I've had a chance to work with this a bit more, but my first impressions are incredibly positive. I don't want to give anything away, but I was actually quite surprised by the gimmick :) Greg's pretty *** clever.

This absolutely is worth the money and highly recommended. [/quote]

While we all wait patiently, be curious to know what your order number and date ordered were?
Are you in Canada?
Message: Posted by: Magicalos (Oct 20, 2016 09:43AM)
[quote]On Oct 20, 2016, videoman wrote:
[quote]On Oct 20, 2016, Alym Amlani wrote:
Wooooo ooooh! Mine arrived today and IT. IS. AWESOME!

I can't wait to play with this some more.

It's incredibly well made, and of super high quality. I will report back once I've had a chance to work with this a bit more, but my first impressions are incredibly positive. I don't want to give anything away, but I was actually quite surprised by the gimmick :) Greg's pretty *** clever.

This absolutely is worth the money and highly recommended. [/quote]



While we all wait patiently, be curious to know what your order number and date ordered were? Are you in Canada? [/quote]

yes I'm curious of your order number and order date too! mine is 537 ordered on july 28th...nothing yet
Message: Posted by: sgtgrey (Oct 20, 2016 10:03AM)
Magicalos - If it helps, I was order 322, ordered July 14th at 11:25am - just 25 min after the first ad was sent out. I haven't gotten anything in the mail or a shipment notification yet. I live in TX.
Message: Posted by: Magicalos (Oct 20, 2016 12:33PM)
[quote]On Oct 20, 2016, sgtgrey wrote:
Magicalos - If it helps, I was order 322, ordered July 14th at 11:25am - just 25 min after the first ad was sent out. I haven't gotten anything in the mail or a shipment notification yet. I live in TX. [/quote]


dang sounds like itll be awhile for me :/
Message: Posted by: EZrhythm (Oct 20, 2016 03:18PM)
Very strange... there must be people who live within one to three days delivery time from Greg.
Message: Posted by: Tony Venetico (Oct 20, 2016 05:26PM)
Mine still hasn't come either -- no email from Greg about the delay -- no shipment notification :( Ordered mine July 14th too
Message: Posted by: videoman (Oct 20, 2016 05:33PM)
[quote]On Oct 20, 2016, EZrhythm wrote:
Very strange... there must be people who live within one to three days delivery time from Greg. [/quote]

I do. I'm about an hours drive away I believe.
Maybe I should look into picking mine up from Greg's warehouse like Justin did.

Hate to sound cynical but I don't expect to receive any shipping notice (not a big deal anyway) and I'm hoping to receive my Rubicon sometime next week.
Everyone who pre-ordered at the discount price should have at least received a shipping notice by now but doesn't seem like many (any?) have.

I trust I'm going to love the prop but to be honest I don't think one thing Greg has said regarding shipping this item has actually happened as he said it would. So I have no choice but to doubt they're being shipped in the order received or that they have all been shipped. Yet, someone apparently has received it via mail and they seem to be in Canada, makes no sense.

Just to be perfectly clear, I'm not impatient and I don't mind waiting. The waiting doesn't bother me at all. But I do find it a tad annoying that nothing seems to follow the schedule that Greg himself keeps setting. Now I'll probably go check my mailbox and find Rubicon there waiting for me and feel like an idiot. :)
Message: Posted by: EZrhythm (Oct 20, 2016 07:36PM)
I HOPE YOU END UP FEELING LIKE AN IDIOT! :gift:
Message: Posted by: wjkrysak (Oct 20, 2016 07:37PM)
I wait with confidence that I will be rewarded for my calm patience. My preorder will arrive in it's time and I will be happy :)
Message: Posted by: videoman (Oct 20, 2016 07:46PM)
[quote]On Oct 20, 2016, EZrhythm wrote:
I HOPE YOU END UP FEELING LIKE AN IDIOT! :gift: [/quote]

Hey EZ, I had hoped so too but alas today was not the day.
Message: Posted by: EZrhythm (Oct 20, 2016 08:05PM)
Here's hoping for tomorrow! :cheers:

If the last of the pre-orders were sent out Wednesday (yesterday) then everyone in the CONUS should receive theirs by Saturday unless of course Greg got the boxes out in the afternoon on Wednesday which means they won't arrive until Monday.
Message: Posted by: Stevethomas (Oct 21, 2016 01:20PM)
Got mine!
Message: Posted by: Magicalos (Oct 21, 2016 01:27PM)
[quote]On Oct 21, 2016, Stevethomas wrote:
Got mine! [/quote]

awesome news! what order number did you have?
Message: Posted by: toberman (Oct 21, 2016 02:10PM)
How was it shipped? First class mail? Priority mail?
Message: Posted by: MagicMark502 (Oct 21, 2016 02:48PM)
I am order number 236 and nothing so far... Still waiting.
Message: Posted by: EZrhythm (Oct 21, 2016 02:52PM)
First Class and Priority are the same price so hopefully Greg sent them Priority.
Message: Posted by: Stevethomas (Oct 21, 2016 05:08PM)
I was order 453. Got my notification that it had shipped today about 1:30 p.m. central time...approximately 2 hours after the item had arrived here.
Steve
Message: Posted by: toberman (Oct 21, 2016 05:19PM)
Thanks for the info Steve. How was it shipped? Priority? FedEx? Ups?
Message: Posted by: Decomposed (Oct 21, 2016 06:45PM)
Suppose to get tracking before you receive it. Im waiting but have to check on when I ordered. Just want to get the routine down before show...
Message: Posted by: Stevethomas (Oct 21, 2016 08:24PM)
USPS Priority.
Message: Posted by: Jimso (Oct 22, 2016 09:39AM)
I'm sorry to add to the confusion, but I am order 396 (ordered July 16) and have not received either the package or notice of shipment. I am confident it will come in due time, but perhaps not in the sequence of the order. I just want to warn the eager ones to stay cool.
Message: Posted by: Nico Haupt (Oct 22, 2016 03:52PM)
Same story here: I got number 311 but still no update on my status.
Message: Posted by: Mike ODonnell (Oct 22, 2016 11:30PM)
I'm 298, and no shipping notice or update.
Message: Posted by: QuailCreek (Oct 22, 2016 11:45PM)
I'm 513. Looks like a long wait.
Message: Posted by: EZrhythm (Oct 23, 2016 12:28AM)
If all the pre-orders were actually shipped out by Priority Mail on Wednesday then everyone in the continental US should receive their box by Monday.
Message: Posted by: Decomposed (Oct 23, 2016 05:17AM)
#566 :bawl:
Message: Posted by: funboy247 (Oct 23, 2016 05:56AM)
I ordered mine at Magic Live in Vegas. No idea what order number I have.....hmmmm.
I hope to get a tracking number
Message: Posted by: On The Offbeat (Oct 24, 2016 03:09AM)
It's very early Monday morning in the US. I expect to see lots of Rubicon delivery posts today and throughout the week.
At least there better be.
Message: Posted by: Stevethomas (Oct 24, 2016 06:06AM)
[quote]On Oct 24, 2016, On The Offbeat wrote:
It's very early Monday morning in the US. I expect to see lots of Rubicon delivery posts today and throughout the week.
At least there better be. [/quote]


Ooooh...scary!
Message: Posted by: Magicalos (Oct 24, 2016 08:26AM)
Woot got another magic related item in the mail over the weekend :D voodoo puppet puncture :D thanks Michael!!! no rubicon though :/ no shipping email either for it
Message: Posted by: Stevethomas (Oct 24, 2016 11:00AM)
I will tell all the people anxiously awaiting delivery, don't be in a huge hurry. There are a couple things/moves that are not yet included in the online instructions. I communicated with Greg and he's working to shoot some more video to include the missing moves. I'm not going to touch (or certainly not TWIST) either of my cubes until I have ALL the necessary handling instructions.

Steve
Message: Posted by: saysold1 (Oct 24, 2016 11:36AM)
They were filming extra videos last night until nearly 3am... to get slow mo of the right moves.

Glad that Greg is working hard to not only ship but to teach this well so it absorbs.
Message: Posted by: Cartelli (Oct 24, 2016 11:36AM)
On the 19. Oct Gregory Wilson emailed:
"Great news!
Rubicon is FINALLY shipping out this week - based on the date of order.
We will send tracking numbers accordingly.
Thank you sooooo much for your patience and understanding!
Gregory"

Now it looks like only 3 persons here in the forum have got Rubicon !(?)
I still have no post and no tracking number. Also "thesecretsource" will not answer my mails.
Message: Posted by: EZrhythm (Oct 24, 2016 12:05PM)
It appears Greg couldn't bribe anyone enough to get someone to enter a thousand tracking numbers in to emails. :stuckinbag:
Message: Posted by: dave_matkin (Oct 24, 2016 04:07PM)
[quote]On Jul 16, 2016, Gregory Wilson wrote:

but you can even do Rubicon completely naked. Unfortunately, your misdirection might be a little too strong!
[/quote]

For me that would cause a LOT Of laughing and I don't really want this to be a comedy act ..... but I would have them laughing ...and feeling a LOT better about themselves.....
Message: Posted by: emyers99 (Oct 24, 2016 10:12PM)
#609. Yikes. I know it's worth the wait. Just wish communication was better.
Message: Posted by: Decomposed (Oct 25, 2016 02:38AM)
[quote]On Oct 24, 2016, Magicalos wrote:
Woot got another magic related item in the mail over the weekend :D voodoo puppet puncture :D thanks Michael!!! no rubicon though :/ no shipping email either for it [/quote]


How about a review on Voodoo puppet while we all wait? :arg:
Message: Posted by: James Diamond (Oct 25, 2016 02:50AM)
[quote]On Oct 25, 2016, Stevethomas wrote:
I will tell all the people anxiously awaiting delivery, don't be in a huge hurry. There are a couple things/moves that are not yet included in the online instructions. I communicated with Greg and he's working to shoot some more video to include the missing moves. I'm not going to touch (or certainly not TWIST) either of my cubes until I have ALL the necessary handling instructions.

Steve [/quote]

After all the delays with the physical side of things, it's a bit of a shame the Video seems rushed too? :/
Message: Posted by: Decomposed (Oct 25, 2016 04:28AM)
I assume a lot of this is because Greg is doing everything by himself.

For those who have the cubes and end up messing them up before the updates, no way I would take one apart to put it back in order. Either wait for video or take the time and patience and learn how to solve (which I understand is a big committment).
Message: Posted by: JackMagic (Oct 25, 2016 04:33AM)
Not Good 4 months ago was almost about to send apart from the stickers now we find out the video instructions have not even been shot
Message: Posted by: pegasus (Oct 25, 2016 04:37AM)
And I thought the postal service in the U.K. was bad. :wow:
Message: Posted by: MR Effecto (Oct 25, 2016 08:06AM)
One more example not to pre order anything. I stopped over a year ago now.
Message: Posted by: Ustaad (Oct 25, 2016 08:26AM)
Almost 3 months back I had said, and may I please quote:-

[quote]On Jul 29, 2016, Ustaad wrote:
[quote]On Jul 29, 2016, Decomposed wrote:

Only 48 hours til price increase and 32 days until first shipment. :band: [/quote]

[b]Price rise is certain (as of now), but don't be too sure of the shipment.[/b]
[/quote]

:xmas:
Message: Posted by: Magicalos (Oct 25, 2016 09:09AM)
[quote]On Oct 25, 2016, Decomposed wrote:
[quote]On Oct 24, 2016, Magicalos wrote:
Woot got another magic related item in the mail over the weekend :D voodoo puppet puncture :D thanks Michael!!! no rubicon though :/ no shipping email either for it [/quote]


How about a review on Voodoo puppet while we all wait? :arg: [/quote]

not really sure where this goes? but I had already typed this out and replied to the person that asked for the review...

not really sure how to review this, given the nature of the effect but here goes:

Effect: Needle through hand

Michael creates a beautiful hand crafted item especially for you. The care and detail put into this is top notch. The construction is crafted by an expert with very good materials. This review is kind of hard for me as this doesn't come with any routine. You are just getting a puppet made by a MASTER puppeteer. Each puppet that Michael creates by hand is a one of a kind. He will walk through every step of the creation with you, to create a one of a kind puppet. This is not a cheap effect, but in my opinion you are definitely getting what you pay for. As there is no routine for this effect shipped with the puppet, this review isn't like most. I am really just really reviewing a custom made puppet and the process I kind of went through to get it.

The order process kind of goes like this, you send him an outline of your arm/hand and he will create a template based off that to create the puppet with. Michael uses excellent fabric choices and the accents for the hands and hair make the puppet stand out. The evil 'face' of the puppet is my favorite part, this thing looks pretty creepy but in a 'Tim Burton' way. Even the teeth and eyes are made from wooden materials and really make the puppet have depth instead of something being drawn/painted on. Allow him a few weeks to create your vision, then he mails it and provides tracking so it couldn't be any easier. I'm extremely happy with my purchase I would recommend anyone that likes offbeat type tricks to consider this! Michael really hits one out of the park (Go TRIBE!!!!) from start to finish he truly is a MASTER of puppets ;)
Message: Posted by: Jimso (Oct 25, 2016 09:15AM)
There is a plausible explanation for both the delay and the lack of communication. I suspect that Greg was surprised and overwhelmed by the size of the demand. Usually, such expensive tricks might sell a couple of hundred at most, but we can see from the order numbers posted here that more than 500 have been pre-ordered, even before there are any reviews. But that also increases the pressure on making sure that everything is perfect. If the instruction video was not up to his standards, it is perfectly logical that he would want to fix it before sending out many units. After all, a few more days of delay will soon be forgiven forgotten if the product is good, but any disappointment in the delivered product would haunt him forever. I am eager too, but let's cut Greg a little slack so that he can ensure that we love what we eventually get.
Message: Posted by: toberman (Oct 25, 2016 09:21AM)
[quote]On Oct 25, 2016, JackMagic wrote:
Not Good 4 months ago was almost about to send apart from the stickers now we find out the video instructions have not even been shot [/quote]


That's not true. The video was shot and is available now. Greg is shooting an additional video to clarify some of the moves.
Message: Posted by: Magicalos (Oct 25, 2016 09:28AM)
Sorry guys these forums suck! cant edit my post cause someone replied to it(even thought they didn't...yet)....note to Steve....update your backend with a proper forum(phpBB?) we don't live in the early 90's Geocities era anymore. anyways....


not really sure where this goes? but I had already typed this out and replied to the person that asked for the review...

not really sure how to review this, given the nature of the effect but here goes:

Effect Name: Voodoo Puppet Puncture

Effect Type: Needle through hand

If anyone has seen Brian Brushwood's Penguin Live Lecture you might remember this little gem, if not check it out for sure. He doesn't go into an explanation for the method during his lecture so you really get a performance only however this lecture is good if you are into other 'shock' magic (I am not into the shock magic stuff very much but I knew I could find a place for this in my always evolving list of effects for a stage show set.

Michael creates a beautiful hand crafted item especially for you. The care and detail put into this is top notch. The construction is crafted by an expert with very good materials. This review is kind of hard for me as this doesn't come with any routine. You are just getting a puppet made by a MASTER puppeteer. Each puppet that Michael creates by hand is a one of a kind. He will walk through every step of the creation with you, to create a one of a kind puppet. This is not a cheap effect, but in my opinion you are definitely getting what you pay for. As there is no routine for this effect shipped with the puppet, this review isn't like most. I am really just really reviewing a custom made puppet and the process I kind of went through to get it.

The order process kind of goes like this, you send him an outline of your arm/hand and he will create a template based off that to create the puppet with. Michael uses excellent fabric choices and the accents for the hands and hair make the puppet stand out. The evil 'face' of the puppet is my favorite part, this thing looks pretty creepy but in a 'Tim Burton' way. Even the teeth and eyes are made from wooden materials and really make the puppet have depth instead of something being drawn/painted on. Allow him a few weeks to create your vision, then he mails it and provides tracking so it couldn't be any easier. I'm extremely happy with my purchase I would recommend anyone that likes offbeat type tricks to consider this! Michael really hits one out of the park (Go TRIBE!!!!) from start to finish he truly is a MASTER of puppets ;) Let me know if you guys have any other questions and I will try my best to answer them.
Message: Posted by: GAMJoker (Oct 25, 2016 10:23AM)
The links of the full performances doesn't work anymore. Does anyone have a new link or new performance? :)
Message: Posted by: On The Offbeat (Oct 25, 2016 10:56AM)
[quote]On Oct 25, 2016, Jimso wrote:
There is a plausible explanation for both the delay and the lack of communication. I suspect that Greg was surprised and overwhelmed by the size of the demand. Usually, such expensive tricks might sell a couple of hundred at most, but we can see from the order numbers posted here that more than 500 have been pre-ordered, even before there are any reviews. But that also increases the pressure on making sure that everything is perfect. If the instruction video was not up to his standards, it is perfectly logical that he would want to fix it before sending out many units. After all, a few more days of delay will soon be forgiven forgotten if the product is good, but any disappointment in the delivered product would haunt him forever. I am eager too, but let's cut Greg a little slack so that he can ensure that we love what we eventually get. [/quote]

I'm all for cutting Greg some slack but there are so many inaccuracies in this post that I had to respond.

First, Greg has mentioned a couple reasons for the delay but being overwhelmed is not the major reason from what he has said.

Secondly, being overwhelmed is totally not a valid excuse for lack of communication. Not communicating is a choice, not something that is out of your control.

Third, we have no idea what the order numbers mean in relation to sales. We don't know that they are in sequential order or started with number 1. But even if they are it doesn't mean they that they are confined strictly to Rubicon and don't apply to ALL products purchased from the site. That could be total orders from when the site first went online. We simply don't know.

Fourth, Greg claimed orders were shipping or had shipped long before he was apparently aware that there was a section missing from the instructional video. Before the problem was discovered all orders had supposedly shipped.

But I do agree that when you state that the reason for the delay was in order to make sure things are absolutely perfect then that does put more pressure on you to deliver a product that is perfect, and I still don't mind waiting a bit longer. But if it stretches into a few more weeks then many folks are going to be upset. Not from having to wait but from feeling like they haven't been treated properly.
Message: Posted by: On The Offbeat (Oct 25, 2016 11:01AM)
[quote]On Oct 24, 2016, Stevethomas wrote:
I communicated with Greg and he's working to shoot some more video to include the missing moves.


Steve [/quote]

Since the video is a download and not a DVD, adding a segment is no big deal besides the hassle of having to shoot and edit it, but I am curious how you were able to communicate with Greg so quickly.
Message: Posted by: dooblehorn (Oct 25, 2016 01:29PM)
Since my company blocks the supplied tutorial website (probably because of the name), and my iphone won't play the videos...is there any other way to access the tutorials? Perhaps an alternate website address? Probably should ask Greg this question, I suppose
Message: Posted by: dooblehorn (Oct 25, 2016 04:14PM)
[quote]On Oct 25, 2016, dooblehorn wrote:
Since my company blocks the supplied tutorial website (probably because of the name), and my iphone won't play the videos...is there any other way to access the tutorials? Perhaps an alternate website address? Probably should ask Greg this question, I suppose [/quote]

Well, suddenly and mysteriously, the videos now automagically work on my iphone...very weird!
Message: Posted by: catweazle (Oct 25, 2016 04:17PM)
Now that's magic! ;)
see, it is real after all :)
Message: Posted by: Jack Carpenter (Oct 25, 2016 05:21PM)
My hope for Rubicon:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=473JvHyN5qU

Jack
Message: Posted by: Stevethomas (Oct 25, 2016 06:17PM)
I emailed him.
Message: Posted by: Chris Jones (Oct 25, 2016 06:21PM)
In fairness, it's called Rubicon, there were clues.
Message: Posted by: QuailCreek (Oct 25, 2016 07:16PM)
Anybody else see this?

http://www.themagiccafe.com/forums/viewtopic.php?topic=628430&forum=76
Message: Posted by: Decomposed (Oct 25, 2016 11:02PM)
[quote]On Oct 25, 2016, QuailCreek wrote:
Anybody else see this?

http://www.themagiccafe.com/forums/viewtopic.php?topic=628430&forum=76 [/quote]


Wow, what the heck?!
Message: Posted by: mistervader (Oct 25, 2016 11:13PM)
Just got mine, and it's beautiful. Just having a bit of trouble with setting up the initial cube for the one-handed solve, as I couldn't quite find the instructions for that, and I have a spatial cognition impairment that keeps me from understanding it easily enough.

Nonetheless, I like what I have so far, and will be using this in my shows once I figure out this little hitch.
Message: Posted by: BMWGuy (Oct 26, 2016 12:02AM)
Just bought the one that was offered for sale. quick thinking.

Alex Alejandro
Message: Posted by: Ustaad (Oct 26, 2016 02:27AM)
[quote]On Oct 26, 2016, BMWGuy wrote:

Just bought the one that was offered for sale. quick thinking.
[/quote]

In spite of taking a late purchase decision, your quick thinking of grabbing the one on sale in MINT Condition puts you far ahead of the rest who pre/post ordered long back and are still waiting for the package to show up in post. You are a very lucky man. :)

:xmas:
Message: Posted by: videoman (Oct 26, 2016 02:48AM)
[quote]On Oct 26, 2016, Ustaad wrote:
[quote]On Oct 26, 2016, BMWGuy wrote:

Just bought the one that was offered for sale. quick thinking.
[/quote]

In spite of taking a late purchase decision, your quick thinking of grabbing the one on sale in MINT Condition puts you far ahead of the rest who pre/post ordered long back and are still waiting for the package to show up in post. You are a very lucky man. :)

:xmas: [/quote]

But it's basically the equivalent of him paying $50 extra for expedited shipping, and he may or may not receive it before the bulk of the pre-orders are received (although I would bet he will.) :)
But all in all I'm sure he'll love it and be happy to have it so I think it was a good move by him.

Can't recall this happening before quite like this. When there is one for sale on the Café before most have even received theirs. But then this whole Rubicon experience has been pretty strange.
Message: Posted by: solidoak (Oct 26, 2016 09:59AM)
Just got mine! Hope to get some time to check it out seriously today.

Now maybe this forum will be worth looking at again.
Message: Posted by: Nico Haupt (Oct 26, 2016 10:39AM)
Ustaad, whats the problem? why the lament?
Message: Posted by: Magicalos (Oct 26, 2016 11:08AM)
[quote]On Oct 26, 2016, solidoak wrote:
Just got mine! Hope to get some time to check it out seriously today.

Now maybe this forum will be worth looking at again. [/quote]

what order number were you? did you get a tracking email for it before it arrived?
Message: Posted by: solidoak (Oct 26, 2016 01:55PM)
Yes I received a shipping confirmation email Monday and the package arrived Tuesday. Mine said order #498. I'm still going through the teaching videos, but I'll tell you the package and props look incredible. This is going to be fun.
Message: Posted by: matinex (Oct 26, 2016 01:57PM)
I was order #474 and I live in California (where Gregory lives). Still no Rubicon. Waah!
Message: Posted by: Magicalos (Oct 26, 2016 02:05PM)
[quote]On Oct 26, 2016, solidoak wrote:
Yes I received a shipping confirmation email Monday and the package arrived Tuesday. Mine said order #498. I'm still going through the teaching videos, but I'll tell you the package and props look incredible. This is going to be fun. [/quote]


thanks for the info...im #537 mine should be shipping soon? no shipping email yet tho :/ this shippong process sure is odd seeing what order numbers people are that have received rubi... they seem all over the place?
Message: Posted by: solidoak (Oct 26, 2016 02:24PM)
With our postal service you never know. It often takes four days for me to get shipments from just across town. But then I get items from across the country in two days. Go figure!
Message: Posted by: sgtgrey (Oct 26, 2016 03:04PM)
Sounds to me like these are not going out in order of purchase. I'm in no rush, but I'm order #322 and I'm still waiting to get a shipping confirmation/tracking number. Makes me wonder how these orders are actually being processed. Hopefully I'll be getting mine in the next couple of weeks, anyway.
Message: Posted by: JackMagic (Oct 26, 2016 03:17PM)
[quote]On Oct 26, 2016, videoman wrote:
[quote]On Oct 26, 2016, Ustaad wrote:
[quote]On Oct 26, 2016, BMWGuy wrote:

Just bought the one that was offered for sale. quick thinking.
[/quote]

In spite of taking a late purchase decision, your quick thinking of grabbing the one on sale in MINT Condition puts you far ahead of the rest who pre/post ordered long back and are still waiting for the package to show up in post. You are a very lucky man. :)

:xmas: [/quote]

But it's basically the equivalent of him paying $50 extra for expedited shipping, and he may or may not receive it before the bulk of the pre-orders are received (although I would bet he will.) :)
But all in all I'm sure he'll love it and be happy to have it so I think it was a good move by him.

Can't recall this happening before quite like this. When there is one for sale on the Café before most have even received theirs. But then this whole Rubicon experience has been pretty strange. [/quote]

Same as a Magic Dealer buy at wholesale sell on at a profit !

Anyway if the person that purchased this does not like it he could always put it back for sale as the rate they are sent out most people will be lucky if they get there's by Christmas!
Message: Posted by: Mike ODonnell (Oct 26, 2016 05:51PM)
Just received mine! Packaging looks great and the contents look MacGyver-ish.

Mike
Message: Posted by: EZrhythm (Oct 26, 2016 08:50PM)
[quote]On Oct 26, 2016, matinex wrote:
I was order #474 and I live in California (where Gregory lives). Still no Rubicon. Waah! [/quote]

This gives the appearance that all of the pre-orders were not actually all mailed out by last Wednesday!
Message: Posted by: Tony Venetico (Oct 26, 2016 09:55PM)
I was order 357 - no word at all from Greg....I was super quiet and patient with the delay, but my patience is wearing thin
Message: Posted by: Decomposed (Oct 26, 2016 11:34PM)
I come here now for thought and reflection. I so need this, three big shows in December and want to have this down before then. At least I can solve the cube and hopefully that will help in the learning process...learning that took a good while to do in my sleep.
Message: Posted by: pegasus (Oct 26, 2016 11:56PM)
[quote]On Oct 26, 2016, Decomposed wrote:
I come here now for thought and reflection. I so need this, three big shows in December and want to have this down before then. At least I can solve the cube and hopefully that will help in the learning process...learning that took a good while to do in my sleep. [/quote]

Is that December of this year? Sorry, couldn't help myself. :rotf:
Message: Posted by: Magicalos (Oct 27, 2016 02:05AM)
Wonder if Greg will chime in again with some news?
Message: Posted by: dooblehorn (Oct 27, 2016 05:39AM)
[quote]On Oct 25, 2016, mistervader wrote:
Just got mine, and it's beautiful. Just having a bit of trouble with setting up the initial cube for the one-handed solve, as I couldn't quite find the instructions for that, and I have a spatial cognition impairment that keeps me from understanding it easily enough.[/quote]

that's because there really isn't much regarding the one handed setup., and there should be.
He just skims over it, likely forgetting that it's not second nature for us, like it is for him...
Pm-ed him with suggestions but no response.
Message: Posted by: Stevethomas (Oct 27, 2016 06:16AM)
As I mentioned previously, Greg has shot some new footage explaining the set up & solve twist. Should be on the site soon.

Steve
Message: Posted by: funboy247 (Oct 27, 2016 06:23AM)
Still nothing. No message (tracking number)
Message: Posted by: James Diamond (Oct 27, 2016 07:12AM)
I sent an email asking if there were any updates and got an email back saying mine had been shipped.

No order number, but do have a tracking number, and am now checking it daily for tracking updates.

I live in Australia though, so it will probably arrive here sometime in 2026. :p
Message: Posted by: dooblehorn (Oct 27, 2016 07:28AM)
[quote]On Oct 27, 2016, Stevethomas wrote:
As I mentioned previously, Greg has shot some new footage explaining the set up & solve twist. Should be on the site soon.

Steve [/quote]
Great, did not see previous mention, thanks, Steve!
Message: Posted by: Magicalos (Oct 27, 2016 09:44AM)
[quote]On Oct 27, 2016, James Diamond wrote:
I sent an email asking if there were any updates and got an email back saying mine had been shipped.

No order number, but do have a tracking number, and am now checking it daily for tracking updates.

I live in Australia though, so it will probably arrive here sometime in 2026. :p [/quote]


if you login to the site and look at your account it will tell you what your order number is...could you check for us?
Message: Posted by: MR Effecto (Oct 27, 2016 11:47AM)
I hope its worth all this hassle?
Message: Posted by: Magicalos (Oct 27, 2016 12:27PM)
[quote]On Oct 27, 2016, MR Effecto wrote:
I hope its worth all this hassle? [/quote]
from what people who have it say, this seems really good....only time will tell I guess
Message: Posted by: videoman (Oct 27, 2016 01:33PM)
[quote]On Oct 27, 2016, funboy247 wrote:
Still nothing. No message (tracking number) [/quote]

These certainly seem to be trickling out at a slow pace.
I expected to receive mine this week and I still may, but now I'm thinking it could be another week or two.
Mine will probably be one of the last of the pre-orders so I only hope that by then they are not tired and bored with them and begin rushing through them to the extent that the quality suffers. I really don't wish to have to straighten or rearrange any stickers after I receive it.
Message: Posted by: Kenorama7777 (Oct 27, 2016 01:55PM)
I received mine. I've spoken with Greg. I'll say a few things about it.

1. Yes it took a long time to get it.
2. It is most DEFINITELY worth the wait. The effect is fantastic and the workmanship is flawless.
3. You'll actually use this. I honestly wanted to get on here and tell you it's crap just so more people won't buy it and flood the market. I'll be using this in my shows for YEARS.

Lastly, Greg told me he posting new videos in the next few days to more clearly explain the set up of the cube and the solving.
Message: Posted by: dave_matkin (Oct 27, 2016 04:47PM)
[quote]On Jul 20, 2016, Ustaad wrote:
[quote]On Jul 20, 2016, korttihai_82 wrote:

But it just shows there is soo many people in magic today, asking totally wrong questions that should take stamp collecting instead... :shrug:
[/quote]

I fully agree with your post korttihai_82.

I am an ardent philatelist and that's probably one reason for me being so insane. :)

I humbly request all to please ignore my post pertaining to the color of the cube. Sorry & let's move on (I got my thrashing :) ). Thank you all.

Best regards,

:xmas: [/quote]


Ustaa
Can I ask, did you have to look up the posh word for stamp collecting or did you know it? I've always been partial to campanology and cunning liguistics myself. :)
Message: Posted by: Mike ODonnell (Oct 27, 2016 06:03PM)
Is it me, or did Greg not even go over the starting orientation?
Message: Posted by: Kenorama7777 (Oct 27, 2016 06:38PM)
He's uploading new videos in the next few days that will more clearly explain it all.
Message: Posted by: Stevethomas (Oct 27, 2016 09:24PM)
Mike, I messaged/emailed him about all that missing stuff last week. He'll have more footage posted there soon.

Steve
Message: Posted by: Mike ODonnell (Oct 27, 2016 10:07PM)
Thanks for the replies. I can solve the cube pretty fast and I am just anxious to put this in my repertoire. One would think that this would be on the first tutorial. The quality of the items are great. This will be a real worker for close-up, stage, and strolling.

Best,

Mike
Message: Posted by: dr.nick (Oct 27, 2016 10:17PM)
Thought some of you would like to know...I was order #590 placed July 31st. I received notification of it being mailed on 10/24 from Costa Mesa, California and I received it today in Elizabethtown, Kentucky (45 miles south of Louisville). A quick initial observation is this is an incredibly well put together piece of magic. Imagining what it took to put this together I can only imagine Greg might be missing a few hairs and we are all going to benefit from his efforts. Please remember to be kind.
Message: Posted by: EZrhythm (Oct 27, 2016 10:30PM)
Yes, just as it can be figured... Priority mail is two to three days shipping time in the continental US. Upon receiving your box you will then know when it was actually shipped.
Message: Posted by: videoman (Oct 27, 2016 10:37PM)
[quote]On Oct 27, 2016, dr.nick wrote:
Thought some of you would like to know...I was order #590 placed July 31st. I received notification of it being mailed on 10/24 from Costa Mesa, California and I received it today in Elizabethtown, Kentucky (45 miles south of Louisville). A quick initial observation is this is an incredibly well put together piece of magic. Imagining what it took to put this together I can only imagine Greg might be missing a few hairs and we are all going to benefit from his efforts. Please remember to be kind. [/quote]

I'm #599, also ordered July 31st.
No email yet of mine being mailed. I live about an hour from Costa Mesa. So yours was mailed at least 4 days ahead of mine, and who knows it could end up arriving 4 weeks ahead of mine. That's the thing, no one really knows.

The first one who posted on here that they had received theirs in the mail was one week ago today.
It could very well turn out that some purchasers will have had theirs for weeks before someone else who ordered at the same time receives theirs.
I'm not impatient and don't mind waiting, but the order in which these are being sent out just makes no sense to me.
Message: Posted by: mistervader (Oct 27, 2016 11:05PM)
So I finally figured out how to set up the cube for the one-handed solve.

The problem? I'm left-handed. Sob.

EDIT: Just wanted to say that the main reason I got mine early is I paid an additional amount for express shipping, because regular shipping to the Philippines would be really stressful, given our customs.
Message: Posted by: Ustaad (Oct 28, 2016 12:44AM)
[quote]On Oct 27, 2016, dave_matkin wrote:
[quote]On Jul 20, 2016, Ustaad wrote:
[quote]On Jul 20, 2016, korttihai_82 wrote:

But it just shows there is soo many people in magic today, asking totally wrong questions that should take stamp collecting instead... :shrug:
[/quote]

I fully agree with your post korttihai_82.

I am an ardent philatelist and that's probably one reason for me being so insane. :)

I humbly request all to please ignore my post pertaining to the color of the cube. Sorry & let's move on (I got my thrashing :) ). Thank you all.

Best regards,

:xmas: [/quote]


[b]Ustaad
Can I ask, did you have to look up the posh word for stamp collecting or did you know it? I've always been partial to campanology and cunning liguistics myself.[/b] :) [/quote]

Hi Dave,

As I already mentioned, I am an ardent (childhood) stamp and coin collector and hence I certainly do understand these words and their meanings. ;) Over the years, I have written a number of research papers in various Philatelic and Numismatic publications. I am also a longstanding member of a number of Philatelic and Numismatic Societies and Forums and that includes the American Philatelic Society.

Hope that clarifies. :)

Best regards,

Ustaad

:xmas:
P.S. Back on topic please. Thank you. :)
Message: Posted by: jonnyboy (Oct 28, 2016 07:45AM)
Well, there doesn't seem to be any order at all to them being shipped out. Number 590 was shipped and received???? My order number is less than 450, and I've not received any notice of shipping yet, and I live in California, so it should be very fast. I've been patient, as have many others, but this whole shipping thing appears to be a disaster,with no rhyme or reason as to when orders get shipped, despite all of us being told that they would get shipped according to the order number. This just compounds the general lack of trustworthiness that has surrounded this release since the inception. The dates were slipped many times because of manufacturing difficutlies out of the creators' hands. But once they were in his hands, we saw a photo of a stack of boxes ready for shipment. That was almost a month ago, with a promise that they would be sent out that week. And that they would be shipping in the order that they had been ordered. Neither of those things are happening. Will mine ever ship? Based on the above, I have very little confidence now.
Message: Posted by: RNK (Oct 28, 2016 08:12AM)
I understand the disappointed opinions of some here. I am to disappointed. And I still believe we all have the choice to cancel and get a refund. I will not because I feel that this is going to be really good. I will have the patience and wait. Does it suck. Yes, absolutely. But will it be worth it? Judging from the statements of those who have received theirs, yes it really does look like it's going to be well worth it.

RNK
Message: Posted by: Magicalos (Oct 28, 2016 08:35AM)
I'm sure Greg is working hard on getting a lot of them (if not all) shipped out. I know many people have said just be patient and give it time, well now more than ever heed that advice our orders will be here soon.
Message: Posted by: dave_matkin (Oct 28, 2016 11:49AM)
[quote]On Oct 28, 2016, Ustaad wrote:
[quote]On Oct 27, 2016, dave_matkin wrote:
[quote]On Jul 20, 2016, Ustaad wrote:
[quote]On Jul 20, 2016, korttihai_82 wrote:

But it just shows there is soo many people in magic today, asking totally wrong questions that should take stamp collecting instead... :shrug:
[/quote]

I fully agree with your post korttihai_82.

I am an ardent philatelist and that's probably one reason for me being so insane. :)

I humbly request all to please ignore my post pertaining to the color of the cube. Sorry & let's move on (I got my thrashing :) ). Thank you all.

Best regards,

:xmas: [/quote]


[b]Ustaad
Can I ask, did you have to look up the posh word for stamp collecting or did you know it? I've always been partial to campanology and cunning liguistics myself.[/b] :) [/quote]

Hi Dave,

As I already mentioned, I am an ardent (childhood) stamp and coin collector and hence I certainly do understand these words and their meanings. ;) Over the years, I have written a number of research papers in various Philatelic and Numismatic publications. I am also a longstanding member of a number of Philatelic and Numismatic Societies and Forums and that includes the American Philatelic Society.

Hope that clarifies. :)

Best regards,

Ustaad

:xmas:
P.S. Back on topic please. Thank you. :) [/quote]


Great now I need t go look up words!

But back to topic .... Very excited but I'm way down the list.....
Message: Posted by: Stevethomas (Oct 28, 2016 11:56AM)
Hahaha...cunning linguist. How many others caught that?

Steve
Message: Posted by: Magicalos (Oct 28, 2016 12:08PM)
There is no rhyme or reason to order# and them being shipped....apparently when you order something an internal (different) order number is also created (im guessing that's what they are using for shipping them out).
Message: Posted by: Magicalos (Oct 28, 2016 02:45PM)
Woooo tracking! should arrive tomorrow!
Message: Posted by: MagicMark502 (Oct 28, 2016 03:08PM)
Everyone. I received mine and it is outstanding. It is worth the wait so don't cancel. Yes. He needs to upload more detailed footage
On the starting setup to make it clear but I can tell you it is great.
Message: Posted by: Stevethomas (Oct 28, 2016 03:32PM)
I got my Rubicon last week, then later that day, I got notification that it had shipped. Go figure.

Steve
Message: Posted by: Magicalos (Oct 28, 2016 04:16PM)
[quote]On Oct 28, 2016, MagicMark502 wrote:
Everyone. I received mine and it is outstanding. It is worth the wait so don't cancel. Yes. He needs to upload more detailed footage
On the starting setup to make it clear but I can tell you it is great. [/quote]

should be uploaded today or tomorrow
Message: Posted by: matinex (Oct 28, 2016 06:09PM)
Ordered July 23. Live in California. Still nothing :(
-David
Message: Posted by: videoman (Oct 28, 2016 06:17PM)
California orders seem to have been put at the bottom of the list for some strange reason. :(
Message: Posted by: sgtgrey (Oct 29, 2016 06:09AM)
Not just Cali...still waiting here in TX as well. There seems to be no rhyme or reason to who gets it first. It'll come...eventually!
Message: Posted by: dylanxtay (Oct 29, 2016 07:16AM)
Just received the tracking number from Greg/ The Secret Source via email.

My order's at #539 though. Weird on how the numbers aren't shipped accordingly to sequence but I guess it's based off the location assigned by the shipping company.

Hope everything will come quick before mid Nov.

Keep hanging on guys! It'll be soon!
Message: Posted by: Nico Haupt (Oct 29, 2016 07:43AM)
Got a mail yesterday. shipped. but no tracking number... :(
Message: Posted by: RNK (Oct 29, 2016 08:03AM)
Got a tracking number. It has shipped!
Message: Posted by: dylanxtay (Oct 29, 2016 08:26AM)
[quote]On Oct 29, 2016, Nico Haupt wrote:
Got a mail yesterday. shipped. but no tracking number... :( [/quote]

Try heading over to thesecretsource.com and look into your order. Should be there if you received the shipping notification.
Message: Posted by: MR Effecto (Oct 29, 2016 08:42AM)
I can wait to get this tell all the kinks are worked out. Sounds really good. But not likeing all the hassle everybody is going through.
Message: Posted by: funboy247 (Oct 29, 2016 09:57AM)
Got a tracking number but I can't track it. Secretsource wrote me, after the parcel leaves the U.S the tracking stops. Is that true?
Message: Posted by: Magicalos (Oct 29, 2016 10:01AM)
Arrived! wow this is great!
Message: Posted by: Nico Haupt (Oct 29, 2016 10:35AM)
@funboy: same here. tracking to germany not possible:(
Message: Posted by: funboy247 (Oct 29, 2016 11:07AM)
@Nico: Ok, thx very much. Hope to get it soon
Message: Posted by: Nico Haupt (Oct 29, 2016 11:18AM)
@funboy: the good thing is, that the package left us-territory seemingly.
Message: Posted by: BMWGuy (Oct 29, 2016 01:43PM)
Hey guys,

Just got mine in. I bought mine from a Café member that was selling an extra one that he had.

I bought it on Tuesday, shipped on Wednesday and got it 1 hour ago.

Alex
Message: Posted by: sgtgrey (Oct 29, 2016 03:18PM)
Rub it in, Alex! ;)
Message: Posted by: RNK (Oct 29, 2016 03:22PM)
Just got back from a show and Rubicon was waiting for me!!

Looks fantastic!

RNK
Message: Posted by: Mike Webb (Oct 29, 2016 06:22PM)
My order is in the 300s. Still waiting and no communication. :hmm:
Message: Posted by: videoman (Oct 29, 2016 06:32PM)
[quote]On Oct 29, 2016, Mike Webb wrote:
My order is in the 300s. Still waiting and no communication. :hmm: [/quote]

You must be in California or Texas. LOL
Message: Posted by: Acecardician (Oct 29, 2016 06:46PM)
I missed the presale. So I am wondering if I buy a new one now at full price how long will I have to wait?...

Will the dealers eventually be carrying these? I'd rather buy from Penguin, as they will show me a video of it being packed the same day that I buy it. :)
Message: Posted by: On The Offbeat (Oct 29, 2016 08:10PM)
[quote]On Oct 29, 2016, Acecardician wrote:
I missed the presale. So I am wondering if I buy a new one now at full price how long will I have to wait?...

Will the dealers eventually be carrying these? I'd rather buy from Penguin, as they will show me a video of it being packed the same day that I buy it. :) [/quote]

That's actually a good question about new orders. I would not be at all surprised if new orders at full price were shipped immediately ahead of any outstanding pre-orders.

Can't say about other dealers carrying it, only Greg would know and I have a hunch even he doesn't know right now. My guess would be that he would just like to get this onslaught over with and then have his life back for a while.
Message: Posted by: Ustaad (Oct 29, 2016 08:48PM)
[quote]On Oct 29, 2016, BMWGuy wrote:

Hey guys,

Just got mine in. I bought mine from a Café member that was selling an extra one that he had.

I bought it on Tuesday, shipped on Wednesday and got it 1 hour ago.

Alex [/quote]


[quote]On Oct 29, 2016, sgtgrey wrote:

[b]Rub it in, Alex![/b] ;) [/quote]

:bg:

:xmas:
Message: Posted by: magimark (Oct 29, 2016 08:53PM)
Received mine and very pleased with it. Worth the wait.
Message: Posted by: QuailCreek (Oct 29, 2016 09:01PM)
I would highly doubt that Greg would ship any new orders ahead of existing pre-orders. I would hope he has more character than that. That said, I think the way this whole thing has been handled is a royal cluster. Greg needs to come out of hiding and tell people what is going on. Obviously all of the pre-orders have not been shipped as we were told and I think we deserve an explanation. Sorry for complaining but my patience is wearing thin.
Message: Posted by: mk (Oct 29, 2016 09:21PM)
I placed an order on October 20th and I received it today, the 29th.
Message: Posted by: QuailCreek (Oct 29, 2016 09:35PM)
Isn't that a kick in the pants. Most of us have been waiting since July.
Message: Posted by: videoman (Oct 29, 2016 09:51PM)
Seems like maybe they are shipping pre-orders whenever they get a break in between shipping full price orders.
I guess they consider it the price you pay for saving money.
Reminds me of the old saying in business "you can get it good, fast, or cheap, pick any two".
Message: Posted by: QuailCreek (Oct 29, 2016 10:04PM)
It takes a lot to tic me off but Greg, you've made the list.

[quote]On Oct 15, 2016, Gregory Wilson wrote:
Gentleman of Great Patience,

FINALLY, I'm starting to ship out Rubicon orders according to the purchase date of each customer. So the guys who ordered in 1984 are at the front of the line. : )

Some got sent yesterday, some will go out today and the remaining on Monday, Tuesday and Wednesday as they get assembled and packaged accordingly.

Now that the manufacturing dust is settling, I can tell you that this was one harrowing experience since there were so many moving parts and I was beholden to the output promises of each supplier who either misspoke, miscalculated or flat out misinformed me of their respective delivery dates. Granted, the pre-purchasers got a healthy discount, but the process was so UN-FUN for many of us that I'll likely never use this marketing strategy again. In the future, I have a revolutionary idea -- I'll share a new idea when it's ready! : )

That said, I hope you find Rubicon worth the wait and get as much performance pleasure from it as I have over the last 10 or so years. I should also remind you that this little miracle can be done close-up, stand-up and surrounded. I perform it regularly at The Magic Castle (Close-Up, Parlour and Palace), on three TV specials (America, Korea and Finland) and the main stage at Blackpool with 3,500 magicians watching on the big screen. So I feel quite confident of its impact as a formal performance piece with a strong beginning, middle and end. It also doesn't hurt that Rubik's Cubes have never been more popular, especially with the help of Steven Brundage, who performed Rubicon on America's Got Talent.

Please message me personally on Facebook or email to keep me apprised of your progress and experiences. Even share it here on The Café so I can appreciate and address the feedback -- positive or negative.

Wrapping up, I have to thank each and every one of you pre-purchasers for your faith, patience and understanding! [/quote]
Message: Posted by: Tim Hannig (Oct 29, 2016 10:10PM)
Mine arrived today... I'm sure it will be worth the wait!
Message: Posted by: rockwall (Oct 29, 2016 10:45PM)
I got mine today and think it's great. I'm excited to learn the routine or even create my own. But I gotta admit, I'm pretty amazed that the part of the trick that is the hardest to learn is the part that they didn't include any real instructions on. That's getting the cube into the starting position and solving it. While it's conceptually straight forward, without clear instructions on orientation after each move it's pretty difficult to learn watching Greg go quickly through the moves like he already taught it to you. I realize that Greg is now filming that portion and promising to upload it 'real soon now'. It just boggles the mind that it got left out. Luckily I've learned how to solve the cube over the last few weeks waiting for this to arrive as trying to figure out exactly how to do the setup and solve I've hopelessly mixed up the cube several times and had to solve it the normal way.

btw Greg, if you read this, I really, really hope that you include an over the shoulder view of both the setup and the one handed solve in fairly slow motion.
Message: Posted by: magimark (Oct 29, 2016 11:37PM)
I spoke to Gregory this evening and he said the updated videos would be up in a day or two. I am not going to touch the cubes till then since I can't solve it. I have to say that the craftsmanship and the gimmick is unbelievable. He did the effect to me at the Magic Castle this summer so I have been at both ends. Being completely fooled and now knowing how to do it. I know a lot of people here are upset but I believe when you receive it, you will be quite pleased, it is that good. Kudos to Gregory Wilson for a really great effect.
Mark Bartman (Gregory, if you see this, thanks for the fun conversation we had about my name)
Message: Posted by: EZrhythm (Oct 30, 2016 12:43AM)
[quote]On Oct 29, 2016, videoman wrote:

Reminds me of the old saying in business "you can get it good, fast, or cheap, pick any two". [/quote]

CLASSIC! With this release, I too was reminded of, "Price / Quality / Service - Pick two". Although in this case it appears the people only get one.
Message: Posted by: James Diamond (Oct 30, 2016 06:43AM)
[quote]On Oct 27, 2016, Magicalos wrote:
if you login to the site and look at your account it will tell you what your order number is...could you check for us? [/quote]

Mine was pre-ordered at the Magic Live convention in Vegas. (so some day between August 13-16)

USPS tracking says it left on Tuesday the 25th October, but as some of the others have said, I think once it leaves the USA it looses its tracking ability, so I probably won't have any updates until I see the package (or the attempted delivery card) at my door.

A quick google says it's 8-14 days for USPS to Australia, and seeing as I'm on the West Coast (opposite side of the country to Sydney) it's probably going to be closer to the 14 day mark.

As some others have said, I'm in a little bit less of a rush now that I know the video tutorial has skimmed over some parts and needs a bit of extra work.
Message: Posted by: Decomposed (Oct 30, 2016 08:14AM)
In Texas, the slow state.......waiting. Solving and waiting.....waiting and solving.
Message: Posted by: rockwall (Oct 30, 2016 12:21PM)
Looking at the pictures in Greg's warehouse, I'm pretty sure that there's a LOT of construction involved to prepare each package which is why it's taken longer than stated to get everything shipped out. I would bet that you've got at least 5-10 minutes to prepare each package for shipping. So, maybe 6 an hour. That's a lot of tedious work. I hope Greg hired some Gremlins to help him out.

Despite my previous post, I'm not really upset about anything, just a little surprised. But the product is so cool that I don't mind the problems too much. A little more communication would have been nice though.
Message: Posted by: Decomposed (Oct 30, 2016 04:52PM)
Thanks Rockwell. I would rather wait then get something rushed and a chip off a cube or messed up sticker etc.... If Greg waits until December, perhaps he can borrow some Elves. :thanx:
Message: Posted by: On The Offbeat (Oct 30, 2016 07:45PM)
[quote]On Oct 30, 2016, rockwall wrote:
Looking at the pictures in Greg's warehouse, I'm pretty sure that there's a LOT of construction involved to prepare each package which is why it's taken longer than stated to get everything shipped out. I would bet that you've got at least 5-10 minutes to prepare each package for shipping. So, maybe 6 an hour. That's a lot of tedious work. I hope Greg hired some Gremlins to help him out.

Despite my previous post, I'm not really upset about anything, just a little surprised. But the product is so cool that I don't mind the problems too much. A little more communication would have been nice though. [/quote]


First of all, I certainly have no problem waiting a little longer to receive my Rubicon.

But with that being said the reason for the delays in shipping that you stated don't really make any sense because you're presuming that Greg had no idea how much work was involved in getting these out the door at the time that he announced to everyone when they would start shipping. But obviously he must have, and if he truly didn't then he SHOULD have known. Because if you are correct then you are essentially implying that he just pulled a number out of the air to appease people.
I understand that things can often take longer than you think but that shouldn't be a factor in this case. You simply time how long it takes to finish a couple and then multiply that by the number of orders and then be realistic about how long it will take to finish them all.

The part that gets frustrating for me is not the waiting, it's being told that all pre-orders will have been shipped by Oct. 19 and then it taking a lot longer than that. How much longer is still unknown as I am still waiting for a shipping notice. Will it be next week, or the week after, I don't know but I shouldn't have to wonder I should know already. If he had said they would begin trickling out in 7 days but it could be 3 to 4 weeks before you receive yours then I would have no problem with that.

But of course I understand how human nature and business works. He was worried that people might start asking for refunds if they heard the truth and it's easier to ask forgiveness than permission and all of that. So while I'm not upset with Greg it does irk me and it better be a heck of a nice prop because it will require some forgiveness.
Message: Posted by: Nico Haupt (Oct 30, 2016 08:12PM)
It will be a funny moment, when all cubes where finally delivered and all the post about frustration and negative feelings will be as useless as a scarf in the desert.
Message: Posted by: rockwall (Oct 30, 2016 09:19PM)
[quote]On Oct 30, 2016, On The Offbeat wrote:
... So while I'm not upset with Greg it does irk me and it better be a heck of a nice prop because it will require some forgiveness. [/quote]

It IS a heck of a nice prop.
Message: Posted by: EZrhythm (Oct 30, 2016 09:51PM)
I may knock the service aspect of communication and shipping here but I do have to give Greg praise for putting out spectacular products. I can't say I have heard of a complaint about any of his past releases. I certainly don't have any.
Message: Posted by: illusioneer (Oct 30, 2016 11:51PM)
Last email I sent regarding this was not acknowledged.

The skies are getting a bit darker for me... since I know it's going to be an amazing product.
Message: Posted by: Jack Carpenter (Oct 31, 2016 01:49PM)
Still at it. Here's my "Shake Solve," (No gimmicks.)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3wN9bPbZFzw
Message: Posted by: illusioneer (Oct 31, 2016 02:21PM)
Wow, Jack. That looks incredible!! I know a lot of guys are going to be pleased with this when they get their hands on it.

As an update to my above post - Brad at Secret Source has responded and dealt with my case immediately and it is greatly appreciated. I imagine they're being inundated with emails about now...
Message: Posted by: EZrhythm (Oct 31, 2016 02:25PM)
Jack in the... I mean, Jack and his box... MOST EXCELLENT!
Message: Posted by: Jimso (Oct 31, 2016 04:56PM)
Got mine today. It came as a surprise because I still have not received a notice of shipment or tracking number. (For the record, ordered July 16.)

As others have noted, a key part of the on-line instruction is still missing, but I am sure that will come soon and there is plenty to work on in the meantime. Despite the wait and all of the uncertainty, I am very pleased with the product. When you have it in your hands, you will appreciate how much effort went into developing and producing it.
Message: Posted by: Tony Venetico (Oct 31, 2016 04:59PM)
I emailed this weekend and Greg emailed me back within a day - he was very understanding of the frustration and also very kind -- he did tell me that order numbers aren't directly linked to order date, so seeing orders in the 500's arriving before my 300 doesn't mean much -- also, it arrived today! Can't wait to get home and dig into it!!!
Message: Posted by: rockwall (Oct 31, 2016 05:38PM)
[quote]On Oct 31, 2016, Jack Carpenter wrote:
Still at it. Here's my "Shake Solve," (No gimmicks.)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3wN9bPbZFzw [/quote]

That is very sweet. I'm pretty sure that's not taught by Greg. Is that your own?
Message: Posted by: videoman (Oct 31, 2016 05:49PM)
Okay, just received Rubicon finally. Funny, because I decided to email Secret Source this morning and very nicely asked if I could get some kind of ETA. Still haven't heard back from them and doubt I will as it is now a moot point as I'm sure they're aware.
Still haven't received a shipping notice for Rubicon, which is also a little strange because I just had a hunch I would never get one, or if I did it would be after the fact.
But the product itself showed up in my mailbox. Whoo Hoo!!!

Am I impressed?
Well I guess yes and no. I am certainly EXTREMELY satisfied. I can't honestly say impressed because it's exactly what I thought it would be and fortunately it is made as well as I was hoping it would be. But truthfully, for a retail of 350 smackers it had better be made very nicely. So it didn't exceed my expectations, but mine were very high to begin with and the fact that it met them is high praise indeed. It is nice that they give you some little extras in the package.

Today turned out to more like Christmas for me than Halloween, or maybe it is like Halloween in that I got both tricks and treats.
I say that because in the same delivery there was another package containing a couple effects that cost nearly as much as Rubicon that I had ordered from overseas back in mid-September and had also been anxiously awaiting. So when it rains, it pours. Hit the jackpot!

As happy as I am to have received my Rubicon I am really hoping that Decomposed receives his very soon if he hasn't already. I've been following his saga through this thread and I really feel for him, and how he has hoped to perform it in some big December shows.
Message: Posted by: wjkrysak (Oct 31, 2016 06:23PM)
Received mine today (pre-order July 21). Very pleased with quality and thought put into this magic. Looking forward to practice and performance. Good things come to those who (patiently) wait. On that note, while waiting, I did learn how to solve a cube (cube 3) and feel more confident with handling of "final solve".
Message: Posted by: jlevit (Oct 31, 2016 06:28PM)
I used to buy a lot of magic, like we all did. Then I stopped (for a lot of years). Then, a few years ago, I started to buy tricks again. It was fun. I felt like a kid. Pretty much all (or most) of those tricks are sitting in a closet in my home. They get looked at and then get put away. THIS trick...it's not going to find a closet. It's fantastic! It's so well thought out. So clever and refined. Not only am I impressed with the thinking and craftsmanship, I'm excited to get it into my act as soon as possible! I was disappointed when I received notice that the product was delayed. But, I also recognized that I would rather get a product that was perfect. When I put out "C4", I held out until every detail was just right - from the gimmick to the packaging. When I opened Rubicon, it was clear that every detail had been thought through.

I watched the videos, and they are very thorough. I did have a question about an initial setup for the cube. I reached out to Gregory today and he quickly got on a Skype call with me and walked me through it! Turns out he is putting out a new video in the next day or two to address my question. Great customer service!
Message: Posted by: Jack Carpenter (Oct 31, 2016 07:07PM)
[quote]On Oct 31, 2016, rockwall wrote:
[quote]On Oct 31, 2016, Jack Carpenter wrote:
Still at it. Here's my "Shake Solve," (No gimmicks.)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3wN9bPbZFzw [/quote]

That is very sweet. I'm pretty sure that's not taught by Greg. Is that your own? [/quote]

Yes, it is mine. It is a method using an ordinary cube, no gimmicks. I developed it after studying the work of Brundage and Hein - both great thinkers. This particular method is most similar to Steven Brundage's work- I'm simply coming at it with a different "philosophy."
Message: Posted by: Mike Webb (Oct 31, 2016 09:58PM)
Mine arrived unexpectedly today. I couldn't figure out what I had ordered. A pleasant surprise!
Message: Posted by: Justin Lewis (Oct 31, 2016 10:42PM)
Great news about the new footage being added soon! My cube got solved. I have two solved cubes... lol
cant do much until the new footage is uploaded
Message: Posted by: Mike Webb (Oct 31, 2016 11:25PM)
[quote]On Oct 31, 2016, Justin Lewis wrote:
Great news about the new footage being added soon! My cube got solved. I have two solved cubes... lol
cant do much until the new footage is uploaded [/quote]

*Fourteen* videos and none of them explain how to set up the cube to be solved. Doh! :crazydude:
Message: Posted by: VoltesGX31 (Oct 31, 2016 11:34PM)
Hi. I ordered Rubicon on Aug.11 and received it on Oct. 26. I didn't look for it in my mailbox everyday, so it was a pleasant surprise when it did arrive.

I like the Rubicon routine for its one-two punch - a pattern match followed by a one-handed solve. Both phases are quite clever and relatively easy to do.

Rubicon can be combined with Cube 3 (by Steven Brundage) for a even longer routine. The combination isn't necessary, but knowing both helps me further appreciate what both Gregory and Steven did with their respective routines.
Message: Posted by: Phatmeat (Nov 1, 2016 01:42AM)
I finally received my Rubicon package today. I placed my order on July 27th and I was order #518. I never received any sort of shipping notification or saw any status update regarding my order on the website, which is why I was surprised to see it sitting outside of my doorstep as I left the house today. I haven't had a chance to open the package to review the contents yet, but I thought I'd take the opportunity to let others know that your package may be on the way but may not necessarily receive any notification that your package has been shipped.
Message: Posted by: pegasus (Nov 1, 2016 02:13AM)
Quote: but I thought I'd take the opportunity to let others know that your package may be on the way but may not necessarily receive any notification that your package has been shipped.

I think buyers have cottoned on to that fact now. :confused: :confused:
Message: Posted by: Decomposed (Nov 1, 2016 03:40AM)
[quote]On Oct 31, 2016, videoman wrote:
Okay, just received Rubicon finally. Funny, because I decided to email Secret Source this morning and very nicely asked if I could get some kind of ETA. Still haven't heard back from them and doubt I will as it is now a moot point as I'm sure they're aware.
Still haven't received a shipping notice for Rubicon, which is also a little strange because I just had a hunch I would never get one, or if I did it would be after the fact.
But the product itself showed up in my mailbox. Whoo Hoo!!!

Am I impressed?
Well I guess yes and no. I am certainly EXTREMELY satisfied. I can't honestly say impressed because it's exactly what I thought it would be and fortunately it is made as well as I was hoping it would be. But truthfully, for a retail of 350 smackers it had better be made very nicely. So it didn't exceed my expectations, but mine were very high to begin with and the fact that it met them is high praise indeed. It is nice that they give you some little extras in the package.

Today turned out to more like Christmas for me than Halloween, or maybe it is like Halloween in that I got both tricks and treats.
I say that because in the same delivery there was another package containing a couple effects that cost nearly as much as Rubicon that I had ordered from overseas back in mid-September and had also been anxiously awaiting. So when it rains, it pours. Hit the jackpot!

As happy as I am to have received my Rubicon I am really hoping that Decomposed receives his very soon if he hasn't already. I've been following his saga through this thread and I really feel for him, and how he has hoped to perform it in some big December shows. [/quote]


Thanks for the kind words. Nothing yet but hopefully this week. I am not too bumbed about it VIdeoman cause I did learn to solve the cube over the last few months and try to do a few solves a week to stay sharp. This may just be the week mine arrives and may have it along the time the new videos are released also. I have all month to rehearse to get it down pat before holiday shows. Greg is a class act and I know its been a long time for most but not one soul has complained of quality issues and that would be my primary concern, so thumbs up. We have our entire careers to enjoy this gem! :hysteric:
Message: Posted by: Xcath1 (Nov 1, 2016 06:36AM)
STILL THE MAN, CRAZY



[quote]On Oct 31, 2016, Jack Carpenter wrote:
Still at it. Here's my "Shake Solve," (No gimmicks.)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3wN9bPbZFzw [/quote]
Message: Posted by: Alym Amlani (Nov 1, 2016 10:08AM)
Wow. That looked awesome.


[quote]On Nov 1, 2016, Xcath1 wrote:
STILL THE MAN, CRAZY



[quote]On Oct 31, 2016, Jack Carpenter wrote:
Still at it. Here's my "Shake Solve," (No gimmicks.)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3wN9bPbZFzw [/quote] [/quote]
Message: Posted by: rockwall (Nov 1, 2016 10:14AM)
[quote]On Oct 31, 2016, Jack Carpenter wrote:

Yes, it is mine. It is a method using an ordinary cube, no gimmicks. I developed it after studying the work of Brundage and Hein - both great thinkers. This particular method is most similar to Steven Brundage's work- I'm simply coming at it with a different "philosophy." [/quote]

Well, you should be really proud of that. It's really nice. Don't take that video down cause I'm gonna want to try and reverse engineer that! :rotf:
Message: Posted by: Robert Sixx (Nov 1, 2016 10:46AM)
[quote]On Oct 31, 2016, Jack Carpenter wrote:
Still at it. Here's my "Shake Solve," (No gimmicks.)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3wN9bPbZFzw [/quote]

Really Nice!

Robert
Message: Posted by: MazingMandy (Nov 1, 2016 11:46AM)
[quote]On Nov 1, 2016, rockwall wrote:
[quote]On Oct 31, 2016, Jack Carpenter wrote:

Yes, it is mine. It is a method using an ordinary cube, no gimmicks. I developed it after studying the work of Brundage and Hein - both great thinkers. This particular method is most similar to Steven Brundage's work- I'm simply coming at it with a different "philosophy." [/quote]

Well, you should be really proud of that. It's really nice. Don't take that video down cause I'm gonna want to try and reverse engineer that! :rotf: [/quote]

You should at least ask before simply stealing it.
Message: Posted by: kevg (Nov 1, 2016 12:11PM)
[quote]On Oct 31, 2016, Jack Carpenter wrote:
Still at it. Here's my "Shake Solve," (No gimmicks.)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3wN9bPbZFzw [/quote]

Hi Brad, that looks nice - very similar to my "Shake Solve" published on Cube Cards based on Takamitsu Usui's work (Of which Steven's is based on).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s9wDepF5drA
Message: Posted by: Jack Carpenter (Nov 1, 2016 12:23PM)
[quote]On Nov 1, 2016, Xcath1 wrote:
STILL THE MAN, CRAZY



[quote]On Oct 31, 2016, Jack Carpenter wrote:
Still at it. Here's my "Shake Solve," (No gimmicks.)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3wN9bPbZFzw [/quote] [/quote]

Thanks so much Xcath1 and others! Much appreciated. As I said, these methods I developed are simply approaching the work of Hein and Brundage from another angle. If you are interested in these sleight of hand methods, I would make their DVDs your FIRST stop in order to get a good solid foundation.

Anyway, if you liked the "Shake Solve," here's a nice variation I use as a "Toss Up Solve" with a little flourish to end that always gets a great reaction:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=hO4oFvovv7U

Jack
Message: Posted by: nspikito (Nov 1, 2016 12:47PM)
I got mine yesterday, with no prior warning from the post office. Like everyone else, I am impressed and I can't wait to actually use it in performance. But, like everyone else, I am stuck at the very beginning. I have absolutely no idea how to do the initial setup, nor can I figure out how to do the one-handed solve. Whatever Greg is doing needs to be made explicit for dummies like me. Also, what is that round plastic thingy that looks like a lip gloss container? I probably missed what he said it was.

Spike
Message: Posted by: Stevethomas (Nov 1, 2016 01:42PM)
I believe that's the "Blu-Tac" stuff he mentions. Will allow you to stick the center caps on without using superglue.

Steve
Message: Posted by: BMWGuy (Nov 1, 2016 02:20PM)
Hey guys,

I may need some help.

As you know I bought mine from a Café Member, and I will have it in 9 days, since he shipped it to me to Texas, but I am in Mexico, so my dad will bring it next week.

For preparation I wanted to watch the videos, so I emailed the guy I bought it from, and he said I have his registration card, and to email secret source for them to reset it.

I already emailed them but no answer.

Any other help is appreciated.

Would like to view the videos before receiving it.

Alex
Message: Posted by: JackMagic (Nov 1, 2016 02:43PM)
For the amount that people have spent on this , the customer service is sadly lacking
Message: Posted by: RNK (Nov 1, 2016 02:50PM)
[quote]On Nov 1, 2016, JackMagic wrote:
For the amount that people have spent on this , the customer service is sadly lacking [/quote]

Don't care! It's so good and I am glad I waited. It is and was worth the wait!! Simply fantastic!

RNK

BTW Jackmagic, did you even buy this? If not, are you just posting the same crap (customer service sucks, blah blah blah) in here to get your post count up? Sad.
Message: Posted by: Stevethomas (Nov 1, 2016 04:59PM)
Updated videos have been added!

Steve
Message: Posted by: BMWGuy (Nov 1, 2016 06:50PM)
Hi.

Any help?
Message: Posted by: magimark (Nov 1, 2016 09:07PM)
The updated videos help. He does the moves slow and also over the shoulder. Time to start working on it.
Message: Posted by: magimark (Nov 1, 2016 09:11PM)
He also has included a video of his full live performance of Rubicon at the Magic Castle.
Message: Posted by: On The Offbeat (Nov 1, 2016 10:04PM)
[quote]On Nov 1, 2016, BMWGuy wrote:
Hi.

Any help? [/quote]

I don't understand why you can't get the password from your father?
Message: Posted by: EZrhythm (Nov 1, 2016 10:24PM)
[quote]On Sep 8, 2016, EZrhythm wrote:
Be sure to remember page 16 of this thread as that will be where the reviews and 'product in hand' discussion will begin! :coolspot: [/quote]

-Off by 6.
Message: Posted by: BMWGuy (Nov 1, 2016 10:56PM)
Because the guy I bought it from says that I have his registration card so they need to reset it

but they never answer emails
Message: Posted by: Justin Lewis (Nov 1, 2016 11:00PM)
Clip helped a lot. I can't do the one hand solve yet but a few days from now I will have it down.
The solve is really easy!
Message: Posted by: On The Offbeat (Nov 1, 2016 11:01PM)
[quote]On Nov 1, 2016, BMWGuy wrote:
Because the guy I bought it from says that I have his registration card so they need to reset it

but they never answer emails [/quote]

Don't know anything about resetting registrations. I think that perhaps there has been a misunderstanding.
Just get the website and password and you should be all set.
Message: Posted by: BMWGuy (Nov 1, 2016 11:22PM)
Can someone PM me and help me out?

I can provide proof of purchase if need be. I bought it from Ray Lum from Las Vegas.

I have the paypal receipt and exchanges.

just wanted to get started on watching the links

Thanks a lot

Alex Alejanro
Message: Posted by: Justin Lewis (Nov 1, 2016 11:43PM)
[quote]On Nov 1, 2016, BMWGuy wrote:
Can someone PM me and help me out?

I can provide proof of purchase if need be. I bought it from Ray Lum from Las Vegas.

I have the paypal receipt and exchanges.

just wanted to get started on watching the links

Thanks a lot

Alex Alejanro [/quote]

The only way you will be able to watch it is if an owner gives you there email and password. Each Rubcion has its individual "code"
Password. Try seeing if you can get password reset
Message: Posted by: theoriginalman (Nov 1, 2016 11:55PM)
Sorry to hear about your problem BMWGuy, I too purchased Rubicon from a member but with totally different results. I purchased mine from Café member Jnork and he was kind enough to sell his Rubicon to me for the pre-sale price.He kept me informed and updated. I didn't know Jnork from anyone but I do now and I know him to be what all Café members should be trustworthy and helpful. Thanks Jnork. BMWGuy if Ray doesn't come thru with the website and password send me a PM and I'll help you out.


Victor
Message: Posted by: QuailCreek (Nov 2, 2016 12:28AM)
Received mine today. Ordered July 27th and order #513.
Message: Posted by: videoman (Nov 2, 2016 01:03AM)
After all my griping I thought it only fair to add that this really is a great routine, and surprisingly easy to do.
I love it because it is so different from anything else I do.

Admittedly, the delays could be excruciating at times but this is the best magic item I have purchased in a long, long time. Possibly the best ever. Seriously.
So I have no regrets in buying it. Even though I got the discounted price I would gladly pay full price for it without question.

Usually when anyone says that they wish they could keep it all to themselves it sounds very cliche, but this is one of the rare times I really do feel that way.
I can't imagine anyone not actually using this and I love Greg's suggestion of giving the cube away as a souvenir at paid gigs.

Barring any unforeseen circumstances (and I would be ecstatic if something else came along before the end of the year that I loved just as much or more) Rubicon definitely has my vote for trick of the year!
Message: Posted by: EZrhythm (Nov 2, 2016 02:13AM)
[quote]On Nov 1, 2016, videoman wrote:
Even though I got the discounted price I would gladly pay full price for it without question.
[/quote]

AWESOME... Then you will pitch in the other $100 and go in on one with me! :dancing:
Message: Posted by: Magicalos (Nov 2, 2016 07:58AM)
UPDATE: the new explanation/performance videos have been added to the site
Message: Posted by: pegasus (Nov 2, 2016 09:10AM)
[quote]On Nov 1, 2016, Stevethomas wrote:
Updated videos have been added!

Steve [/quote]

(Rolls Eyes) :mad:
Message: Posted by: MazingMandy (Nov 2, 2016 10:01AM)
Why is that a bad thing?
Message: Posted by: jnork (Nov 2, 2016 11:52AM)
[quote]On Nov 1, 2016, RNK wrote:
[quote]On Nov 1, 2016, JackMagic wrote:
For the amount that people have spent on this , the customer service is sadly lacking [/quote]

Don't care! It's so good and I am glad I waited. It is and was worth the wait!! Simply fantastic!

RNK

BTW Jackmagic, did you even buy this? If not, are you just posting the same crap (customer service sucks, blah blah blah) in here to get your post count up? Sad. [/quote]

Well All,

I just wanted to let you know that I ordered mine I think the day before the pre-sale because as I noted before I don't like pre-orders. I went back and forth until finally pulling the trigger the day before the special price ended. I received Rubicon yesterday.

Note I said Rubicon, not 'MY' Rubicon. You see, months ago I sold this to another Café member because of the poor service, missed deadlines and communication frustrated me so much. So today, off it went to that Café member with COMMUNICATION every step of the way and a TRACKING NUMBER given to that member before this post. I have no doubt it's an awesome prop and well made. I didn't open the Rubicon packaging at all. I knew it was going to be good from day one. After all, it's a Greg Wilson trick. This post isn't about the quality of the prop at all. It's about the service and business aspect of this release.

RNK, sorry, I feel Jackmagic is 100% right. I DID purchase this and completely agree that for the amount that was spent on the this not only was the communication and customer service lacking ... it was DOWNRIGHT PATHETIC. Period. That's why I sold it. RNK, I'm happy you like it and feel it was worth the wait.

On top of that, I see other posts that when this product shipped and it STILL wasn't complete. The video wasn't fully ready and didn't tell people how to do the initial set up? Yes, only finishing up the video recently. Another post notes that another customer just ordered it (at full price) and he got his already? WOW.

As I continue to note, Greg is a great performer and puts out awesome products. I have (and USE) a ton of them. I had no doubt this would be a good PRODUCT I just didn't know how bad this would have been handled. This whole experience has been a joke, IMO. And since this is America I'm entitled to my opinion.

Jason

P.S. I'm still waiting on a "Revolution" that I ordered from Greg over a year ago that I asked him to put in the box along with Rubicon. No surprise, it wasn't in there LOL. But that completely fine, because: Greg Wilson.
Message: Posted by: nspikito (Nov 2, 2016 12:02PM)
The new streaming video is absolutely essential for getting this to work. I am delighted to have it. The effect is awesome!
If I have one gripe, it's that sooner or later everyone is going to mess up the critical cube, and Greg's solution for that is about as inelegant as possible. So be insanely careful when practicing.

Spike
Message: Posted by: RNK (Nov 2, 2016 12:05PM)
Yes Jason, you are absolutely entitled to your opinion! And you are more so entitled since you actually purchased it unlike Jackmagic and Pegmo who likes to post rubbish posts when they don't own the product.

Shame it frustrated you to the point that you had to sell it. You really are going to be missing a reputation maker in your set and one of those effects that everyone will remember.


RNK
Message: Posted by: pegasus (Nov 2, 2016 12:17PM)
[quote]On Nov 2, 2016, MazingMandy wrote:
Why is that a bad thing? [/quote]

Only because if magicalos had read through the last page of the thread he would have realised that Steve had already divulged the same info. Just lazy.
Message: Posted by: nspikito (Nov 2, 2016 02:01PM)
Well, as predicted by Greg, I am "screwed" after mixing up both cubes. I just got a bit careless. Anyway I am now clueless what to do to fix it. I don't know how to create a solved cube with Greg's spoon, because I don't know how the 6 colors are distributed around a solved cube.
Any ideas?

Spike
Message: Posted by: Justin Lewis (Nov 2, 2016 02:37PM)
[quote]On Nov 2, 2016, nspikito wrote:
Well, as predicted by Greg, I am "screwed" after mixing up both cubes. I just got a bit careless. Anyway I am now clueless what to do to fix it. I don't know how to create a solved cube with Greg's spoon, because I don't know how the 6 colors are distributed around a solved cube.
Any ideas?

Spike [/quote]

Hi. Before rubcion I never touched a cube at all. I don't know how to solve. Maybe someday lol
Messing the cube up is part of the learning process with the 7 moves to solve. Before the updated clip I messed my cube up and also having a family member who knows how to solve actually solve the cube that is set up as the #####

If I'm not mistaken Graig spoon trick involves taking the cub apart.
Just line of green with green. Put the middle row together first then build up from there.

It's not that hard taking the cube apart. Literally Take very cube off its axis minus the 4 that are fixed.
Then reassemble it. First time it took me about 30 min. I've had to do this 5 times now lol
I can put it together under 5 min now
Message: Posted by: videoman (Nov 2, 2016 03:08PM)
[quote]On Nov 2, 2016, nspikito wrote:
Well, as predicted by Greg, I am "screwed" after mixing up both cubes. I just got a bit careless. Anyway I am now clueless what to do to fix it. I don't know how to create a solved cube with Greg's spoon, because I don't know how the 6 colors are distributed around a solved cube.
Any ideas?

Spike [/quote]

The colors once solved can only be in one final order, unless you were to remove the stickers and replace them in Different spots.
Usually the middle colors will remain intact but even if those were off then once you start forming the cube it will reveal what the middles should be.

Immediately get at least one or more practice cubes to learn the moves with. I'd get a few if I were you. Nice to have on hand and if you mess one up you just pick up another one.

Then you won't be...what's the word? Oh yeah, screwed. :)
Message: Posted by: Justin Lewis (Nov 2, 2016 03:11PM)
[quote]On Nov 2, 2016, videoman wrote:
[quote]On Nov 2, 2016, nspikito wrote:
Well, as predicted by Greg, I am "screwed" after mixing up both cubes. I just got a bit careless. Anyway I am now clueless what to do to fix it. I don't know how to create a solved cube with Greg's spoon, because I don't know how the 6 colors are distributed around a solved cube.
Any ideas?

Spike [/quote]

The colors once solved can only be in one final order, unless you were to remove the stickers and replace them in Different spots.
Usually the middle colors will remain intact but even if those were off then once you start forming the cube it will reveal what the middles should be.

Immediately get at least one or more practice cubes to learn the moves with. I'd get a few if I were you. Nice to have on hand and if you mess one up you just pick up another one.

Then you won't be...what;s the word? Oh yeh, screwed. :) [/quote]

Or as the instructions explain. Take the cube apart.
My only concern might be how much can the cube take being disassembled.
Message: Posted by: Xcath1 (Nov 2, 2016 03:15PM)
It's been so long. I can more or less do the Brundage material. What is the advantage of this product. It sounds like it can still be screwed up like a regular cube ? If you can't explain without exposure I understand.
I think all of this cube stuff came out because Steve basically released his entire cube act for 35 dollars and a lot of working pros wanted to cash in while the iron was hot
Message: Posted by: Jimso (Nov 2, 2016 03:16PM)
To nspikito and anyone else who has messed up and is afraid to proceed: You do not have to worry about disassembling the cube. The first time you do it, you will fear breaking it, but it actually comes apart and goes back together quite easily. You do not need a spoon; that is just a way to apply a prying pressure. However, you should not pry on the corner, as Greg seems to suggest. You turn one layer 45 degrees or 1/8 of a rotation and pry up on one of the EDGE cubes. It should pop out without much pressure. You can find video instructions on the internet quite easily, and I recommend that you view a couple to feel confident about what you are doing. Just search for 'disassemble Rubik cube' or something similar.

On a normal cube, you do not have to worry about where the pieces go because the sides are permanently marked by the center squares (they turn, but never move from their relative positions). On this custom cube with special properties, the center squares can come off, so you might have to use a standard square for reference. You should pick up a regular cube to use for practice anyway, because you do not want to wear out your expensive one while learning. Amazon has many types, or if you want one immediately, you can find the cheap ones at Walmart, Target, Barnes and Noble, etc.

For those who have not bought it, don't! You will hate it! It is overpriced, hard to do, flimsy, not at all deceptive. Gregory Wilson is a rank amateur who has no idea how to perform. Just go away and forget about Rubicon and this topic. Nothing to see here. (Those who have it will understand.)
Message: Posted by: Justin Lewis (Nov 2, 2016 03:27PM)
[quote]On Nov 2, 2016, Xcath1 wrote:
It's been so long. I can more or less do the Brundage material. What is the advantage of this product. It sounds like it can still be screwed up like a regular cube ? If you can't explain without exposure I understand.
I think all of this cube stuff came out because Steve basically released his entire cube act for 35 dollars and a lot of working pros wanted to cash in while the iron was hot [/quote]

Steve brundrage used Rubicon for his finale on AGT.
People connect to the cube. Specially those they grew up in the 80s
Message: Posted by: dooblehorn (Nov 2, 2016 03:31PM)
Regarding Rubikcontinuation/Rubikconfiguration videos.

Dear Mr. Greg Wilson, thank you, thank you, thank you!!!!!! This was truly the missing piece, along with the 6 / 4 explanation video. I cannot even begin to express my gratitude.
And boring as it might have been for you, it was far from it and desperately needed by me.
The brick wall has been removed, and I may now proceed to practice, practice and practice more because I really love this trick.
Message: Posted by: videoman (Nov 2, 2016 03:35PM)
[quote]On Nov 2, 2016, jnork wrote:


Well All,

I just wanted to let you know that I ordered mine I think the day before the pre-sale because as I noted before I don't like pre-orders. I went back and forth until finally pulling the trigger the day before the special price ended. I received Rubicon yesterday.

Note I said Rubicon, not 'MY' Rubicon. You see, months ago I sold this to another Café member because of the poor service, missed deadlines and communication frustrated me so much. So today, off it went to that Café member with COMMUNICATION every step of the way and a TRACKING NUMBER given to that member before this post. I have no doubt it's an awesome prop and well made. I didn't open the Rubicon packaging at all. I knew it was going to be good from day one. After all, it's a Greg Wilson trick. This post isn't about the quality of the prop at all. It's about the service and business aspect of this release.

RNK, sorry, I feel Jackmagic is 100% right. I DID purchase this and completely agree that for the amount that was spent on the this not only was the communication and customer service lacking ... it was DOWNRIGHT PATHETIC. Period. That's why I sold it. RNK, I'm happy you like it and feel it was worth the wait.

On top of that, I see other posts that when this product shipped and it STILL wasn't complete. The video wasn't fully ready and didn't tell people how to do the initial set up? Yes, only finishing up the video recently. Another post notes that another customer just ordered it (at full price) and he got his already? WOW.

As I continue to note, Greg is a great performer and puts out awesome products. I have (and USE) a ton of them. I had no doubt this would be a good PRODUCT I just didn't know how bad this would have been handled. This whole experience has been a joke, IMO. And since this is America I'm entitled to my opinion.

Jason

P.S. I'm still waiting on a "Revolution" that I ordered from Greg over a year ago that I asked him to put in the box along with Rubicon. No surprise, it wasn't in there LOL. But that completely fine, because: Greg Wilson. [/quote]

Jason, I hear ya man. Communication was abysmal. But I have found that that is the case with many performers who decide to get involved in selling their routines. Most would rather not have to do it but I think it's somewhat of a necessary evil for them. But since it's not their primary passion (and I think some have kind of a love/hate relationship with it) the selling side of their business often gets neglected. Not saying that is a valid excuse but it's just how it is IMO.

Some folks have more patience and are more willing to turn a blind eye to it but it can definitely be extremely frustrating no doubt. If I were operating their enterprise it's certainly not what I would do because I just can't stand leaving people hanging. I run a service business so I'm not just speaking hypothetically but from experience.

I don't like it but in some cases I'm willing to play the game because sometimes you simply have no other choice other than to speak with your wallet. But in this case I was in no hurry and knew I would really love the prop and routine so I was willing to deal with it. It all went down pretty much exactly how I imagined it would. It helps to not take any of their "promises" seriously because you know things are not going to go exactly how they are thinking it will simply because it almost never does.

But I can certainly understand and relate to anyone who decides differently. So I totally understand how you feel and think you are right to feel that way. I feel the same way I just chose to handle it differently and hang in there in this case but I have taken the route you took on a few occasions. But granted, it's much easier for me now because now I have adopted the attitude to hope for the best but expect the worst and that helps ease the frustration with the poor customer service. I hate to reward that behavior but sometimes I act selfishly because I knew I would love everything about Rubicon and I absolutely do. So even though it pains me to admit it, I would do it all over again for sure.

Also, kudos to you for treating the buyer of your Rubicon to such great customer service. I wish everyone cared as much about it as you do.
Message: Posted by: solidoak (Nov 2, 2016 04:04PM)
For anyone who messes up the cube, you don't need to take it apart to re-set it.

Just go to https://ruwix.com/online-rubiks-cube-solver-program/ and it will lead you through easy solving instructions.
Message: Posted by: QuailCreek (Nov 2, 2016 08:45PM)
Thanks aolidoak, that was just what I needed.
Message: Posted by: Decomposed (Nov 2, 2016 10:20PM)
Okay, mine arrived yesterday and I have been nonstop working it. Well worth the wait. Glad I can solve because I have messed it up many many times doing the one hand solve. lol
Be back to add more as I get along with it. Good things take time. I am just glad Greg released this...well sort of...would hate to hear at a show someone say they saw the very same act from someone close by. :fear:
Message: Posted by: pegasus (Nov 3, 2016 12:04AM)
[quote]On Nov 2, 2016, Decomposed wrote:
Okay, mine arrived yesterday and I have been nonstop working it. Well worth the wait. Glad I can solve because I have messed it up many many times doing the one hand solve. lol
Be back to add more as I get along with it. Good things take time. I am just glad Greg released this...well sort of...would hate to hear at a show someone say they saw the very same act from someone close by. :fear: [/quote]
:dancing: :dancing: :dancing: :dancing: :dancing: :dancing: :heavymetal: :cheering: :banana: :punkrocker:
Message: Posted by: funboy247 (Nov 3, 2016 03:44AM)
OH MY GOSH! I got two parcels this morning. I opened the first one.......it was Sucker Punch......very disappointed because.....ok wrong thread
Then I opened the second parcel..........it was R U B I C O N
GUYS, all I can say is............wooooooooooooooooooooooooooowwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww!
It was really worth the wait. This is !@#$*** awesome. For this price I expected good quality and you get very good quality.
And this is the reason, why I trust in Gregory Wilsons products. I`ve never been dissapointed!
To all the guys they`re still waiting: YOU CAN LOOKING FORWARD TO GET THIS
So....lets bring the other parcel to the trash
Message: Posted by: Markymark (Nov 3, 2016 08:35AM)
Good to hear! To be fair I would think the product that cost $350.00 would be better then the one that cost $39.95!
Greg Wilson does deliver....eventually!
Message: Posted by: pegasus (Nov 3, 2016 12:29PM)
[quote]On Nov 3, 2016, Markymark wrote:
Good to hear! To be fair I would think the product that cost $350.00 would be better then the one that cost $39.95!
Greg Wilson does deliver....eventually! [/quote]

He wasn't comparing. :confused:
Message: Posted by: Decomposed (Nov 3, 2016 08:38PM)
Everything is evolving....more footage has been added with more tips.....back to one hand practice solves...boy if most are messing up the simple solve as much as I, I feel for you......so simple but you have to definitely concentrate. Having pre-election coverage on TV is distracting.... :bg:
Message: Posted by: Decomposed (Nov 3, 2016 08:39PM)
[quote]On Nov 3, 2016, pegasus wrote:
[quote]On Nov 2, 2016, Decomposed wrote:
Okay, mine arrived yesterday and I have been nonstop working it. Well worth the wait. Glad I can solve because I have messed it up many many times doing the one hand solve. lol
Be back to add more as I get along with it. Good things take time. I am just glad Greg released this...well sort of...would hate to hear at a show someone say they saw the very same act from someone close by. :fear: [/quote]
:dancing: :dancing: :dancing: :dancing: :dancing: :dancing: :heavymetal: :cheering: :banana: :punkrocker: [/quote]




LOL!
Message: Posted by: Decomposed (Nov 3, 2016 08:45PM)
Oh yeah, forgot to add. Greg has added the much anticipated and highly sought after "PINCH" move to the teach ins. This is probably the best tip so far that will save you many hours of take aparts and corrective solves for the solvers. I also have the most watched you tubes (25 million views) for what Pendleton shared with me during the summer to learn how to solve if intersted, PM me. Happy to help cause it should never leave you until you leave this planet....
Message: Posted by: James Diamond (Nov 3, 2016 10:27PM)
Mine just arrived today!

Shipping Time: 10 Days to Australia (incase of any others from Oz here who'v ordered it)

Time to dig into these videos and soak it all in. :)
Message: Posted by: mistervader (Nov 3, 2016 10:35PM)
If he has an alternate handling for a lefty such as myself, it would be really appreciated. Or if I figure it out, I may end up sending it in to him myself. :P
Message: Posted by: Decomposed (Nov 3, 2016 11:39PM)
That is a good question, he may even post an updated video on it!
Message: Posted by: Decomposed (Nov 3, 2016 11:55PM)
One thing of note that is so simple, I just did not get it after many, many mix ups. To save a lot of heartache, when doing one handed solve, keep your thumb on the white center piece. :fruity:
Message: Posted by: mistervader (Nov 4, 2016 12:19AM)
Thanks for that advice, because that would have saved me a lot of tears when solving it behind my back! I've performed it already at two different shows, but without the recommended wrist movements from the latest video.
Message: Posted by: illusioneer (Nov 4, 2016 01:56AM)
My Rubicon set was delivered to me today and its great fun working with this!

One thing I noticed (and I'm sure this is ONLY my cube and not some mass problem) - is that on my Cube (the one with four) - the white lair is VERRRRYY loose.

I've tried popping the center cap and tightening the screw but its still basically free spinning which can cause problems during the one handed solve as well as other aspects of the method.

Any cubers out there have any advice on how I can get it tightened to match the friction provided by the other rows and lairs?

Thanks so much!

(EDIT: I should add that I did not loosen any of the screws or play with the action of the cube as per Gregory's instruction. This is simply how I received it.)
Message: Posted by: James Diamond (Nov 4, 2016 02:55AM)
[quote]On Nov 3, 2016, solidoak wrote:
For anyone who messes up the cube, you don't need to take it apart to re-set it.

Just go to https://ruwix.com/online-rubiks-cube-solver-program/ and it will lead you through easy solving instructions. [/quote]


solidoak, you are a LIFESAVER!
Message: Posted by: Magicalos (Nov 4, 2016 09:29AM)
[quote]On Nov 4, 2016, illusioneer wrote:
My Rubicon set was delivered to me today and its great fun working with this!

One thing I noticed (and I'm sure this is ONLY my cube and not some mass problem) - is that on my Cube (the one with four) - the white lair is VERRRRYY loose.

I've tried popping the center cap and tightening the screw but its still basically free spinning which can cause problems during the one handed solve as well as other aspects of the method.

Any cubers out there have any advice on how I can get it tightened to match the friction provided by the other rows and lairs?

Thanks so much!

(EDIT: I should add that I did not loosen any of the screws or play with the action of the cube as per Gregory's instruction. This is simply how I received it.) [/quote]


he included blue tack...use some of that on the middle panels that pop out...should stop them from popping out
Message: Posted by: hnegash (Nov 4, 2016 01:37PM)
For those of you that mess up the cube their is the Rubik's Cube app which you can download. It will allow you to take a photo of each side of your cube and then instruct you on the twists and turns needed to solve it. It only take a couple of minutes and is much easier than dissembling it.

Best,

Henok
Message: Posted by: pegasus (Nov 4, 2016 04:44PM)
[quote]On Nov 2, 2016, solidoak wrote:
For anyone who messes up the cube, you don't need to take it apart to re-set it.

Just go to https://ruwix.com/online-rubiks-cube-solver-program/ and it will lead you through easy solving instructions. [/quote]
Message: Posted by: Justin Lewis (Nov 4, 2016 05:06PM)
[quote]On Nov 4, 2016, hnegash wrote:
For those of you that mess up the cube their is the Rubik's Cube app which you can download. It will allow you to take a photo of each side of your cube and then instruct you on the twists and turns needed to solve it. It only take a couple of minutes and is much easier than dissembling it.

Best,

Henok [/quote]
Hi. What's the name of the app. I found 15 rubix cube apps
Message: Posted by: einhorn (Nov 4, 2016 05:26PM)
I have not read through any of the 23 pages but have to tell you I received mine this week. Played with it non-stop for two days and performed it in a small show tonight. It is almost not fair to do this to people. It is SO astounding, it's ridiculous.
I searched for years for the right routine for me. Practicality vs Effect etc - I can do the cube (and suggest you learn it as you will need to have that knowledge to get out of a mess when practicing) but even for those that do not know how to solve a cube it is pretty easy to perform.
The 'moment' is actually a non-moment. it is INVISIBLE. Nothing to see. One of the very best purchases I have ever made and now I have it I told Greg to double the price. Greg has clearly worked SO hard to make this the beautiful finished product it is. I am astounded he set it free to make it available for others.
I feel privileged to have one. It is a keeper, worker and a reputation maker. I actually don't have the vocabulary to fully explain how freakin' amazing this is. If you perform shows other than close-up at tables then Rubicon is a no-brainer.
Message: Posted by: Decomposed (Nov 4, 2016 05:32PM)
[quote]On Nov 4, 2016, einhorn wrote:
I have not read through any of the 23 pages but have to tell you I received mine this week. Played with it non-stop for two days and performed it in a small show tonight. It is almost not fair to do this to people. It is SO astounding, it's ridiculous.
I searched for years for the right routine for me. Practicality vs Effect etc - I can do the cube (and suggest you learn it as you will need to have that knowledge to get out of a mess when practicing) but even for those that do not know how to solve a cube it is pretty easy to perform.
The 'moment' is actually a non-moment. it is INVISIBLE. Nothing to see. One of the very best purchases I have ever made and now I have it I told Greg to double the price. Greg has clearly worked SO hard to make this the beautiful finished product it is. I am astounded he set it free to make it available for others.
I feel privileged to have one. It is a keeper, worker and a reputation maker. I actually don't have the vocabulary to fully explain how freakin' amazing this is. If you perform shows other than close-up at tables then Rubicon is a no-brainer. [/quote]



Nice! Cannot wait to put this into my alien act. My biggest problem is I have to remove something to make room. I also told Greg nicely I wish he would sell this for much more, and I meant it. :smoke:
Message: Posted by: Decomposed (Nov 4, 2016 06:15PM)
Greg mentioned a prediction possiblility but time was short. If anyone has any ideas, please PM me, I have one or two but think very basic....or post here if no exposure please. I have not been able to think about it so far with working on handling, pacing etc.....
Message: Posted by: videoman (Nov 4, 2016 06:46PM)
[quote]On Nov 4, 2016, Decomposed wrote:
Greg mentioned a prediction possiblility but time was short. If anyone has any ideas, please PM me, I have one or two but think very basic....or post here if no exposure please. I have not been able to think about it so far with working on handling, pacing etc..... [/quote]

Maybe something along the lines of what Karl Hein does on Cube FX?
He can tell them the top color when spec is holding the cube and he can't see it.
Message: Posted by: Decomposed (Nov 4, 2016 08:02PM)
Yeah good one Videoman, I saw that a few times and can do that one. Hmmm wheels turning.


As a dancing mentalist, I am much more prone to splatter rubicon guts all over the floor while practicing. Favorite songs right now are Play that Funky music white boy, Wild Cherry, and for more somber audiences, Walking Dead theme song. Walking Dead requires too much additional makeup so probaly leaning towards Wild Cherry. Got a new system otw for my sound track. RIght now, planning on Rubicon as my closer. Decisions, decisions. Thanks Greg for my ongoing insomnia..... :fruity:
Message: Posted by: Jack Carpenter (Nov 4, 2016 09:10PM)
Here's another variation on my previous post. . .this one is quickly becoming a favorite. . .just a "snap" of the fingers:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eIuVk9V5epA
Message: Posted by: Nico Haupt (Nov 5, 2016 02:30PM)
So, finally rubicon arrived.

i do it the short way:

i would be dancing like a 12 year old girl before the first date but I do not. the reason is simple. the trailer and the description implicate, that you can take a "spectator mixed cube" and solve it! and after that, as a climax, you show the phase with the total match of the cubes. but that's not true. and I really really do not like it to be conned like that.

now I will re-routine to make rubicon fit in my existing act. but it's different from my planned (based on the trailer) routine.
Message: Posted by: Colin (C.J.) (Nov 5, 2016 02:37PM)
I was disappointed too, whilst it's clever it doesn't quite do what I thought it would based on the pre-release info. I will continue to use cube routines I've picked up from other (much cheaper) sources, not this unfortunately.
Message: Posted by: Jack Straw (Nov 5, 2016 03:16PM)
But, but-

It's Greg Wilson, for God's sake!

It has to be worth $250 or $350, doesn't it?

Don't you understand all of the work that went into making this product?

And the packaging is exquisite, isn't it?

And don't you guys know that the description of "Taking a cube mixed up by a spectator and solving it" is from the spectator's point of view, not from reality.

So shut up and be happy!
Message: Posted by: videoman (Nov 5, 2016 04:19PM)
[quote]On Nov 5, 2016, Nico Haupt wrote:
So, finally rubicon arrived.

i do it the short way:

i would be dancing like a 12 year old girl before the first date but I do not. the reason is simple. the trailer and the description implicate, that you can take a "spectator mixed cube" and solve it! and after that, as a climax, you show the phase with the total match of the cubes. but that's not true. and I really really do not like it to be conned like that.

now I will re-routine to make rubicon fit in my existing act. but it's different from my planned (based on the trailer) routine. [/quote]

I may be misunderstanding what you are saying but it sounds like you feel the description and trailer for Rubicon were not accurate or truthful. If that is the case then I would have to say I disagree.
Matching the spectators mixed cube IS the effect of the first phase. You may not like the method but I think the description is truthful.

I do realize that some magic ads go too far with the concept of "what the spectators see" but I don't feel that is the case here.
Of course some may see this as an opportunity to conjoin the two as Jack Straw has with his negative and sarcastic comment but I see it differently.

I mean every magic effect is described essentially from the spectators viewpoint. It would be akin to saying that you bought a cut and restored rope trick but you feel the description was misleading because it stated that you cut one long piece in the middle and then restore the 2 pieces. That's not exactly what usually happens but it is how the spectators see it. That type of description is generally considered to be truthful.

But I really love both the effects and methods of Rubicon so perhaps I am not seeing the big picture here. But this is the first comment I have seen where anyone has felt mislead by the Rubicon trailer. But again, perhaps I have simply misunderstood your meaning.
Message: Posted by: Jack Carpenter (Nov 5, 2016 05:40PM)
[quote]On Nov 5, 2016, Nico Haupt wrote:
So, finally rubicon arrived.

i do it the short way:

i would be dancing like a 12 year old girl before the first date but I do not. the reason is simple. the trailer and the description implicate, that you can take a "spectator mixed cube" and solve it! and after that, as a climax, you show the phase with the total match of the cubes. but that's not true. and I really really do not like it to be conned like that.

now I will re-routine to make rubicon fit in my existing act. but it's different from my planned (based on the trailer) routine. [/quote]

What a bummer. I too thought that the reason it was $350.00 was because you could magically solve a truly spectator mixed cube! I was really looking forward to hear from one of you guys that that was the case. I guess I should have deduced that when I heard the complaints about "not knowing how to solve after accidentally mixing it up."

The matching cubes effect, the magical solves, the predictions, etc. can ALL be accomplished without gaffs of any kind (and without great difficulty) so now I'm wondering "what the hell the gaff DOES DO?"
Message: Posted by: Xcath1 (Nov 5, 2016 05:54PM)
I am wondering what the heck it does. But Jack can say Hell if he wants to.
Message: Posted by: Decomposed (Nov 5, 2016 06:29PM)
[quote]On Nov 4, 2016, Jack Carpenter wrote:
Here's another variation on my previous post. . .this one is quickly becoming a favorite. . .just a "snap" of the fingers:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eIuVk9V5epA [/quote]


Jack, how old are those stickers? Just curious how long stickers last. Thanks
Message: Posted by: Decomposed (Nov 5, 2016 06:35PM)
[quote]On Nov 5, 2016, videoman wrote:
[quote]On Nov 5, 2016, Nico Haupt wrote:
So, finally rubicon arrived.

i do it the short way:

i would be dancing like a 12 year old girl before the first date but I do not. the reason is simple. the trailer and the description implicate, that you can take a "spectator mixed cube" and solve it! and after that, as a climax, you show the phase with the total match of the cubes. but that's not true. and I really really do not like it to be conned like that.

now I will re-routine to make rubicon fit in my existing act. but it's different from my planned (based on the trailer) routine. [/quote]

I may be misunderstanding what you are saying but it sounds like you feel the description and trailer for Rubicon were not accurate or truthful. If that is the case then I would have to say I disagree.
Matching the spectators mixed cube IS the effect of the first phase. You may not like the method but I think the description is truthful.

I do realize that some magic ads go too far with the concept of "what the spectators see" but I don't feel that is the case here.
Of course some may see this as an opportunity to conjoin the two as Jack Straw has with his negative and sarcastic comment but I see it differently.

I mean every magic effect is described essentially from the spectators viewpoint. It would be akin to saying that you bought a cut and restored rope trick but you feel the description was misleading because it stated that you cut one long piece in the middle and then restore the 2 pieces. That's not exactly what usually happens but it is how the spectators see it. That type of description is generally considered to be truthful.

But I really love both the effects and methods of Rubicon so perhaps I am not seeing the big picture here. But this is the first comment I have seen where anyone has felt mislead by the Rubicon trailer. But again, perhaps I have simply misunderstood your meaning. [/quote]


I tend to agree. When I first saw Rubicon come out, I was thinking the same as most. But after many, many conversations with cuber magicians, we already knew how this worked. Believe me, I have no problem with mine and my routine. Audience sees it exactly as depicted...its really not a big deal. Remember, Greg has a 100 percent return policy. And also, I don't know if it was here or on FB, he posted the swi**h is made right under their noses so that was another indication of how this was done. But I respect your opinions....I just love mine and its going to be put through fam test then a free captive audience in the next week or two to fine tune it...
Message: Posted by: Decomposed (Nov 5, 2016 06:37PM)
For those who can solve, there is an additional phase.....
Message: Posted by: JackMagic (Nov 5, 2016 06:38PM)
[quote]On Nov 5, 2016, Jack Straw wrote:
But, but-

It's Greg Wilson, for God's sake!

It has to be worth $250 or $350, doesn't it?

Don't you understand all of the work that went into making this product?

And the packaging is exquisite, isn't it?

And don't you guys know that the description of "Taking a cube mixed up by a spectator and solving it" is from the spectator's point of view, not from reality.

So shut up and be happy! [/quote]

Yes Jack is the right it is Greg Wilson the packaging alone must be worth at least $250 -$350

I would have expected this to be sold for $550 !

It Must be worth it as it is Greg Wilson!
Message: Posted by: Jack Carpenter (Nov 5, 2016 10:25PM)
[quote]On Nov 5, 2016, Decomposed wrote:
[quote]On Nov 4, 2016, Jack Carpenter wrote:
Here's another variation on my previous post. . .this one is quickly becoming a favorite. . .just a "snap" of the fingers:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eIuVk9V5epA [/quote]


Jack, how old are those stickers? Just curious how long stickers last. Thanks [/quote]

That thing is months old- and I abused it terribly. Keep them clean (no abrasive dirt etc.) and don't drop it as much as I did, it'll last forever. It's best to have a practice cube anyway, and save your nice cubes for performance- you'll have nothing to worry about then. Keep your fingernails short too.

Jack
Message: Posted by: Decomposed (Nov 5, 2016 11:01PM)
[quote]On Nov 5, 2016, Jack Carpenter wrote:
[quote]On Nov 5, 2016, Decomposed wrote:
[quote]On Nov 4, 2016, Jack Carpenter wrote:
Here's another variation on my previous post. . .this one is quickly becoming a favorite. . .just a "snap" of the fingers:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eIuVk9V5epA [/quote]


Jack, how old are those stickers? Just curious how long stickers last. Thanks [/quote]

That thing is months old- and I abused it terribly. Keep them clean (no abrasive dirt etc.) and don't drop it as much as I did, it'll last forever. It's best to have a practice cube anyway, and save your nice cubes for performance- you'll have nothing to worry about then. Keep your fingernails short too.

Jack [/quote]



Thanks makes sense. I have a ton of cubes but favorites are my tiled Rubiks....
Message: Posted by: pegasus (Nov 6, 2016 03:55AM)
[quote]On Nov 4, 2016, einhorn wrote:
I have not read through any of the 23 pages but have to tell you I received mine this week. Played with it non-stop for two days and performed it in a small show tonight. It is almost not fair to do this to people. It is SO astounding, it's ridiculous.
I searched for years for the right routine for me. Practicality vs Effect etc - I can do the cube (and suggest you learn it as you will need to have that knowledge to get out of a mess when practicing) but even for those that do not know how to solve a cube it is pretty easy to perform.
The 'moment' is actually a non-moment. it is INVISIBLE. Nothing to see. One of the very best purchases I have ever made and now I have it I told Greg to double the price. Greg has clearly worked SO hard to make this the beautiful finished product it is. I am astounded he set it free to make it available for others.
I feel privileged to have one. It is a keeper, worker and a reputation maker. I actually don't have the vocabulary to fully explain how freakin' amazing this is. If you perform shows other than close-up at tables then Rubicon is a no-brainer. [/quote]

Double the price? Lmao. Are you living in a dream world? Quite frankly I was amazed that anybody paid the pre release price.
Message: Posted by: James Diamond (Nov 6, 2016 08:40AM)
[quote]On Nov 6, 2016, Nico Haupt wrote:
So, finally rubicon arrived.

i do it the short way:

i would be dancing like a 12 year old girl before the first date but I do not. the reason is simple. the trailer and the description implicate, that you can take a "spectator mixed cube" and solve it! and after that, as a climax, you show the phase with the total match of the cubes. but that's not true. and I really really do not like it to be conned like that.

now I will re-routine to make rubicon fit in my existing act. but it's different from my planned (based on the trailer) routine. [/quote]

I think it's just semantics. It's essentially the same thing is it not?

From their point of view they shuffle a cube, you show your cube matches perfectly, and then you solve their cube. What's the issue?
Message: Posted by: nspikito (Nov 6, 2016 09:50AM)
A couple of problems with Rubicon, one minor but another is potentially serious.

The minor flaw is that a couple of the colored stickers don't lie completely flush on their tiles. There seem to be small air bubbles under a couple of them. It's not a big deal because it's unlikely that anyone will notice, and a defective sticker can be replaced.

The other issue is much worse. Yesterday I dropped a cube on a hard floor, and as Greg warned, 3 center tiles popped off. My bad. It took a moment to find them, but I just popped them back into place. I learned my lesson. But it occurred to me that the same might happen when a spectator drops a cube, especially when he's manipulating it behind his back. Talk about being "screwed"! First, it will irreversibly destroy the presentation. Bad enough, but what happens if you can't find the missing tile(s), or if someone steps on a tile and breaks it? Your $350 investment will disappear in an instant. There is a solution. Greg should make replacement tiles available at a cheap cost, or even better, Greg could do with tiles what he did with stickers, that is include some in case they get lost or destroyed.

Spike
Message: Posted by: Jack Carpenter (Nov 6, 2016 10:32AM)
[quote]On Nov 5, 2016, Decomposed wrote:
[quote]On Nov 5, 2016, Jack Carpenter wrote:
[quote]On Nov 5, 2016, Decomposed wrote:
[quote]On Nov 4, 2016, Jack Carpenter wrote:
Here's another variation on my previous post. . .this one is quickly becoming a favorite. . .just a "snap" of the fingers:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eIuVk9V5epA [/quote]


Jack, how old are those stickers? Just curious how long stickers last. Thanks [/quote]

That thing is months old- and I abused it terribly. Keep them clean (no abrasive dirt etc.) and don't drop it as much as I did, it'll last forever. It's best to have a practice cube anyway, and save your nice cubes for performance- you'll have nothing to worry about then. Keep your fingernails short too.

Jack [/quote]



Thanks makes sense. I have a ton of cubes but favorites are my tiled Rubiks.... [/quote]

Ironically, the Rubik's brand cubes are the least conducive for good work- whether magic or speed cubing. Better brands include Shengshou (Aurora) and Moyu (Sulong) which are not only quieter, smoother operating, and faster, they're also cheaper. If you want a REALLY great cube, try the GANS 356S. Just fantastic, but unfortunately quite expensive.
Message: Posted by: catweazle (Nov 6, 2016 10:42AM)
I second that recommendation Jack "GANS 356S. Just fantastic, but unfortunately quite expensive."
best by a mile imo
Message: Posted by: videoman (Nov 6, 2016 01:47PM)
My biggest beef with Greg's routine for Rubicon is he always states that the 43 quintillion possible combinations is a million times a million. But a million times a million is actually only a trillion. A very, very tiny number compared to a quintillion. I'm certainly no math whiz but it always bugs me just a tiny bit when he says that.
Why not say it's about 6 times the number of grains of sand on Earth or some other amazing fact.

And if that's my biggest beef I must really like the routine. :)
Message: Posted by: Robert M (Nov 6, 2016 07:16PM)
I think this is great. I remember seeing Keith Barry on a TV show (with Paris Hilton?) doing a trick where the spectator's mixed cube matched his. At the time, I thought this was the greatest Rubik's Cube trick I'd ever seen.

Keith was standing behind a bar - with someone hiding behind it (?). Probably Dan Harlan? I have no idea. All I do know is Greg's version makes it workable in a close-up or stage situation without any help.

You have to be able to solve a cube if you mess it up - which I can't. But, there's no reason to think you'll mess it up. And, you can buy cheap cubes to practice on.

I'm giving this a "10." Even if I never master it, I still think it's a "10."

Robert
Message: Posted by: Decomposed (Nov 6, 2016 08:02PM)
[quote]On Nov 6, 2016, Jack Carpenter wrote:
[quote]On Nov 5, 2016, Decomposed wrote:
[quote]On Nov 5, 2016, Jack Carpenter wrote:
[quote]On Nov 5, 2016, Decomposed wrote:
[quote]On Nov 4, 2016, Jack Carpenter wrote:
Here's another variation on my previous post. . .this one is quickly becoming a favorite. . .just a "snap" of the fingers:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eIuVk9V5epA [/quote]


Jack, how old are those stickers? Just curious how long stickers last. Thanks [/quote]

That thing is months old- and I abused it terribly. Keep them clean (no abrasive dirt etc.) and don't drop it as much as I did, it'll last forever. It's best to have a practice cube anyway, and save your nice cubes for performance- you'll have nothing to worry about then. Keep your fingernails short too.

Jack [/quote]



Thanks makes sense. I have a ton of cubes but favorites are my tiled Rubiks.... [/quote]

Ironically, the Rubik's brand cubes are the least conducive for good work- whether magic or speed cubing. Better brands include Shengshou (Aurora) and Moyu (Sulong) which are not only quieter, smoother operating, and faster, they're also cheaper. If you want a REALLY great cube, try the GANS 356S. Just fantastic, but unfortunately quite expensive. [/quote]


I have those also Jack. I don't speed cube....I like mine to have tiles, just personal preference.
Message: Posted by: Decomposed (Nov 6, 2016 08:04PM)
[quote]On Nov 6, 2016, nspikito wrote:
A couple of problems with Rubicon, one minor but another is potentially serious.

The minor flaw is that a couple of the colored stickers don't lie completely flush on their tiles. There seem to be small air bubbles under a couple of them. It's not a big deal because it's unlikely that anyone will notice, and a defective sticker can be replaced.

The other issue is much worse. Yesterday I dropped a cube on a hard floor, and as Greg warned, 3 center tiles popped off. My bad. It took a moment to find them, but I just popped them back into place. I learned my lesson. But it occurred to me that the same might happen when a spectator drops a cube, especially when he's manipulating it behind his back. Talk about being "screwed"! First, it will irreversibly destroy the presentation. Bad enough, but what happens if you can't find the missing tile(s), or if someone steps on a tile and breaks it? Your $350 investment will disappear in an instant. There is a solution. Greg should make replacement tiles available at a cheap cost, or even better, Greg could do with tiles what he did with stickers, that is include some in case they get lost or destroyed.

Spike [/quote]

I think its probably best to use the tic tack and glue the tiles on there so no problem if they drop it. I just hope its carpet if they do....
:vcool: :bg: :bg:
Message: Posted by: Decomposed (Nov 6, 2016 08:05PM)
[quote]On Nov 6, 2016, Robert M wrote:
I think this is great. I remember seeing Keith Barry on a TV show (with Paris Hilton?) doing a trick where the spectator's mixed cube matched his. At the time, I thought this was the greatest Rubik's Cube trick I'd ever seen.

Keith was standing behind a bar - with someone hiding behind it (?). Probably Dan Harlan? I have no idea. All I do know is Greg's version makes it workable in a close-up or stage situation without any help.

You have to be able to solve a cube if you mess it up - which I can't. But, there's no reason to think you'll mess it up. And, you can buy cheap cubes to practice on.

I'm giving this a "10." Even if I never master it, I still think it's a "10."

Robert [/quote]

I too saw Keith do this and that is when I fell in love with the cube.
Message: Posted by: Cartelli (Nov 7, 2016 01:32AM)
@videoman

There are 43 quintillion possible positions (in Germany it is Trilion)

look here:
http://b.chrishunt.co/how-many-positions-on-a-rubiks-cube
Message: Posted by: videoman (Nov 7, 2016 02:13AM)
[quote]On Nov 6, 2016, Cartelli wrote:
@videoman

There are 43 quintillion possible positions (in Germany it is Trilion)

look here:
http://b.chrishunt.co/how-many-positions-on-a-rubiks-cube [/quote]

Yep, I thought that is what I said, if not, it is what I meant.
Not sure it has anything to do with my point though.
Message: Posted by: Decomposed (Nov 7, 2016 05:03AM)
Rubik Cube invented in 1974 by E. Rubik.... :sun:
Message: Posted by: Mike ODonnell (Nov 7, 2016 07:35AM)
I must have performed this over 30 times at my weekly gig. Great reactions... One handed solve: https://instagram.com/p/BMfMML7A2QG/
Message: Posted by: acortest (Nov 7, 2016 07:31PM)
Spike,
The Rubicon package comes with a container of gray 'Blu-Tack' that you can put a piece inside of each center so if it is dropped, the tiles will not pop out.

Kind regards,
~Tony
[quote]On Nov 6, 2016, nspikito wrote:
A couple of problems with Rubicon, one minor but another is potentially serious.

The minor flaw is that a couple of the colored stickers don't lie completely flush on their tiles. There seem to be small air bubbles under a couple of them. It's not a big deal because it's unlikely that anyone will notice, and a defective sticker can be replaced.

The other issue is much worse. Yesterday I dropped a cube on a hard floor, and as Greg warned, 3 center tiles popped off. My bad. It took a moment to find them, but I just popped them back into place. I learned my lesson. But it occurred to me that the same might happen when a spectator drops a cube, especially when he's manipulating it behind his back. Talk about being "screwed"! First, it will irreversibly destroy the presentation. Bad enough, but what happens if you can't find the missing tile(s), or if someone steps on a tile and breaks it? Your $350 investment will disappear in an instant. There is a solution. Greg should make replacement tiles available at a cheap cost, or even better, Greg could do with tiles what he did with stickers, that is include some in case they get lost or destroyed.

Spike [/quote]
Message: Posted by: videoman (Nov 7, 2016 08:44PM)
A question for all of you cube solvers out there.
Both Steven Brundage's Cube3 DVD and also Cube FX by Karl Hein and John George will teach you how to solve a Rubik's cube.
I presume they are similar but different methods.

Is anyone familiar with both and would recommend one method over another, and why?

Again, I am not referring to the magic segments but the legitimate solving of the cube portion.
Are there any other preferred methods other than those two?
I know many have learned from you tube videos.

I realize it is all pretty subjective but just trying to find out if there is a general consensus of any one over the others before I set out to conquer the cube and become a genuine cube ninja.
Message: Posted by: Mike ODonnell (Nov 7, 2016 11:56PM)
I purchased John George's DVD (after doing research on this subject) and was able to solve the cube without notes after 4-5days. Great teaching, but you have to put in the work. After that, muscle memory takes over. I own cube3, but skipped over the solving portion as I already knew that skill. I will say that Steven Brundage does a great job of explaining moves. You can email John George for his DVD. You probably can't go wrong with any of these...


Mike
Message: Posted by: theoriginalman (Nov 8, 2016 01:16AM)
I have both Steven Brundage's Cube3 DVD and also Cube FX by Karl Hein and John George. I preferred the teaching that comes with Cube FX as the teacher is Tyson Mao, he is famous for teaching Will Smith how to solve the cube for his role in "The Pusuit of Happiness". His teaching is pretty straight forward and easy to follow. Steven Brundages is no slouch when it comes to teaching but Mao is a better teacher of solving the cube as Brunddage is better at teacher his Cube 3 effect.
Message: Posted by: pepka (Nov 8, 2016 02:41AM)
I played around with Cube 3, but really just couldn't grasp it. I'm not afraid of putting in the work...I faro, 2nd deal etc., but just couldn't get it. THIS looks great..but it's pretty obvious, (at least to me that the cube isn't actually being SOLVED...like I mean the sides aren't moving. I'm torn.
Message: Posted by: Decomposed (Nov 8, 2016 02:48AM)
When you turn it different ways, its deceptive Pepka...
Message: Posted by: videoman (Nov 8, 2016 03:45AM)
[quote]On Nov 8, 2016, pepka wrote:
I played around with Cube 3, but really just couldn't grasp it. I'm not afraid of putting in the work...I faro, 2nd deal etc., but just couldn't get it. THIS looks great..but it's pretty obvious, (at least to me that the cube isn't actually being SOLVED...like I mean the sides aren't moving. I'm torn. [/quote]

Not sure what you mean by the sides aren't moving and it isn't actually being solved.
Message: Posted by: Schaff (Nov 8, 2016 08:36AM)
Hey Guys,

Would anyone be kind enough to PM me the number of the video that details the reset? The only one that I have seen seems to go past it so quickly that don't know what colors should be facing me when I kick off the reset process.

Thanks in advance!
Message: Posted by: Decomposed (Nov 9, 2016 08:50PM)
15 and 16 Schaff
Message: Posted by: nspikito (Nov 9, 2016 09:20PM)
Spike,
The Rubicon package comes with a container of gray 'Blu-Tack' that you can put a piece inside of each center so if it is dropped, the tiles will not pop out.

Kind regards,
~Tony

Thanks, Tony

Spike
Message: Posted by: Brenton Keith (Nov 10, 2016 05:00PM)
I just received my Rubicon, and am completely lost in the tutorial. He moves so fast when he 'mixes' it up, that I simply don't get it. Is that called 'the reset'? I also didn't get any book with mine. Was there one?
Message: Posted by: Stevethomas (Nov 10, 2016 05:54PM)
No book. All the tutorials are online. Just watch ALL the tutorials totally before even attempting to do anything with the cubes. ALL OF THEM!


Steve
Message: Posted by: theoriginalman (Nov 10, 2016 11:43PM)
Brenton and Schaff check out video 12 and 16 . He explains the setup/reset repeatedly, nice and slow, over and over, and even an over the shoulder view. Excellent explanation.
Message: Posted by: Decomposed (Nov 12, 2016 12:44AM)
Agree, videos are step by step and some teaching super slow. Best not mix it up or you will have to get it solved one way or other....I don't mess up anymore solving it.....just remember, thumb on white center.....stays on there...but with routine, the cube will be mixed every performance... :baby:
Message: Posted by: nspikito (Nov 12, 2016 11:51AM)
A question for you Rubiconers. After watching and studying all of Greg's videos I am making some progress, but I have a particular problem with the one-handed solve. I can do the "twist/pinch" rather easily, but not the "turn". Although Greg teaches the former in detail, the latter move flies by. I would love some sage advice from anyone who can help. You can PM me if you like, but I don't think that disclosure is an issue here.

Thanks,

Spike
Message: Posted by: toberman (Nov 12, 2016 12:01PM)
[quote]On Nov 12, 2016, nspikito wrote:
A question for you Rubiconers. After watching and studying all of Greg's videos I am making some progress, but I have a particular problem with the one-handed solve. I can do the "twist/pinch" rather easily, but not the "turn". Although Greg teaches the former in detail, the latter move flies by. I would love some sage advice from anyone who can help. You can PM me if you like, but I don't think that disclosure is an issue here.

Thanks,

Spike [/quote]



I have the same issue.

Terry
Message: Posted by: Decomposed (Nov 12, 2016 07:06PM)
Keep thumb on white center piece as you turn it....I had problem until I saw the video and then even though his explanation was different then my visual, I just ensured I kept the side of my thumb on the center white. That way you will not mess it up. And it worked fine, easy as 1-2-3 now and no mix ups.
Message: Posted by: nspikito (Nov 13, 2016 10:45AM)
[quote]On Nov 12, 2016, Decomposed wrote:
Keep thumb on white center piece as you turn it....I had problem until I saw the video and then even though his explanation was different then my visual, I just ensured I kept the side of my thumb on the center white. That way you will not mess it up. And it worked fine, easy as 1-2-3 now and no mix ups. [/quote]

It's getting a little better. Thanks for the suggestions.
Message: Posted by: Jimso (Nov 14, 2016 07:51AM)
I also had the same trouble because his explanation seems to suggest moving the thumb off the center. The tip from Decomposed helps a lot.

Another clarification that might help some people: In the set-up, Greg says you perform the 'twist-turn' seven times. Actually, he does the pair six times, followed by a single twist. In other words, he omits the final turn. It does not matter if you take his advice about checking the orientation before you solve, but you might mess up when learning if you get that detail wrong.

Also, I have to thank Jack Carpenter for his advice about the GANS 365-S speed cube. I had the others, and they were pretty good, but the GANS is sooo much nicer. You cannot use it for Rubicon, but it is great for the Hein, Brundage, and Usui methods.
Message: Posted by: funboy247 (Nov 14, 2016 10:52AM)
I love rubicon. But I don't like the customer service. I dropped some emails but got no response. It's a shame!!!
My problem: I can't adjust the tension on the cubes. I think the spring inside doesn't work.
Message: Posted by: theoriginalman (Nov 15, 2016 12:26AM)
Initially I thought that my cube was a little too tight also but after working with it I realized that its perfect just like Greg says. I was use to working with speed cubes like the one you get with Cube3 but this cube is perfect for this effect. If you really think that you need to adjust the tension just remember to adjust all 4 center screws equally. I kind of like mine a little "tight" as it helps with the move. I've tried this with my speed cube and it works but you have to be a bit more cautious and secure with your movements.
Message: Posted by: funboy247 (Nov 15, 2016 10:05AM)
Mine is too loose and this is not good for me. I adjusted all screws but nothing happended
Message: Posted by: Decomposed (Nov 16, 2016 05:04AM)
Yeah you need it tight....hope mine does not get too loose, it will not be a good thing. THe opposite of what you want for other effects but not with Rubicon...
Message: Posted by: sushe (Nov 16, 2016 08:46AM)
I also preordered rubicon in mid July ,
I got a message at the end of October that it shipped ,
When I am looking in the tracking the last update is from November 2nd
And than nothing .
I send an email to the secret source but with no respond
So I try my luck here:)
Message: Posted by: Decomposed (Nov 16, 2016 05:50PM)
Should get it anytime Sushe....where are you located?
Message: Posted by: Schaff (Nov 17, 2016 09:36AM)
Thanks all! Definitely needed to watch 16.
Message: Posted by: Decomposed (Nov 17, 2016 06:13PM)
Greg hopefully will be updating the videos as time permits with tips etc... :baby:
Message: Posted by: Alym Amlani (Nov 17, 2016 10:49PM)
I've now had Rubicon for a few weeks and have been working on it a little every day. I'm blown away by how well thought out this is - I'd say it's reasonably easy to do, and the suggestion Greg gives at the end of the performance training video (I think it's video 12) is a good one - though you will need to know how to solve the cube to reset this, should you decide to do this routine. I'm going to try this tomorrow at a walkaround gig and I'm very excited to see how it plays.

I'm a university professor by day and tried it for some of my students and they were absolutely floored. I'm so happy I bought this effect and am very grateful that Greg released it. I think cube magic has become a lot more popular as a result of people like Steven Brundage on AGT and Rubicon is a great way to dip your toes into cube magic without having to be skilled with solving the cube. I love this effect and it's probably the single best piece of magic I've purchased this year.

I've found the following two sites incredibly useful though:
https://www.youcandothecube.com/secret-unlocked/solution-stage-one.aspx - for learning how to ACTUALLY solve the cube
https://rubiks-cube-solver.com/ - for when you just want to know how to get the cube back to it's original state

I know there are other methods out there to solve the cube and may start seriously looking more into them now that I'm more comfortable w/ Rubicon.

One question for those of you already doing this effect: what's a good way to carry around both cubes when doing walkaround? They don't exactly fit in a pocket, and I don't really want to drag the box around.
Message: Posted by: Decomposed (Nov 18, 2016 01:07AM)
Nice post Alym, I too am curious bout how to carry this while strolling.

Video 11 has alternate performance if you can solve. I think right now even though I can solve, I will stick with the original though. :gift:
Message: Posted by: Decomposed (Nov 18, 2016 02:10AM)
"and the suggestion Greg gives at the end of the performance training video (I think it's video 12) is a good one - though you will need to know how to solve the cube to reset this, should you decide to do this routine."

Well I went through and watched video 11 and tried this and you do not need to know how to solve! For those who have this, try it out... its at the 5:15 mark of video 11. I have gotten so use the one hand solve so when I tried solving two hands I mixed it up and did have to solve lol. But, this could be pretty deceptive trying it out this way. I don't now, from my end, it is just as good the original still.

Hope to hear your real world strolling tips Alym....I still have not used this for other then family until next month as I hope as a closer or close to the finish of my show.
Message: Posted by: BMWGuy (Nov 18, 2016 07:56AM)
Hey guys,

So I received this,

I already saw all the training videos.

they seem out of order.

So what is the first step, I mean first video, would it be #16.

don't want to mess up the cube.

Thanks

Alex
Message: Posted by: Severingkong (Nov 18, 2016 09:33AM)
[quote]On Nov 18, 2016, Decomposed wrote:
Nice post Alym, I too am curious bout how to carry this while strolling.

Video 11 has alternate performance if you can solve. I think right now even though I can solve, I will stick with the original though. :gift: [/quote]

I've not purchased rubicon, but there is a good solution for carrying a cube while strolling on "cube cards" - I'm sure this could be used to carry 2 cubes if needed.
Message: Posted by: Decomposed (Nov 19, 2016 07:28PM)
I do not have cube cards but will hopefully find something.

Caution for those having audience members "toss" the cube to you as Greg does. :crazydude:

Lets just say not everyone is a Cy Young winner. You can figure out the rest. :nerdy:
Message: Posted by: BMWGuy (Nov 20, 2016 08:36AM)
Hey guys

Finally I was able to sit down last night and view all 16 videos

I will post my review later on tonight

Alex Alejandro
Message: Posted by: Alym Amlani (Nov 20, 2016 02:52PM)
After performing this several ~15 times on Friday, I can honestly say that it works reasonably well during walkaround. I carried the supplied box with me and it was intriguing enough that people wanted to know what was inside when I arrived at their table.

A few things that I ran into:

1. When having the spectator mix the cube behind their back, at times, when they took it out, it had a very memorable 'side' -- eg 3 white squares in a row, or something equally prominent. My response to this was to get them to hand it to someone else to 'mix it a bit more' to help conceal the method.

2. Agree about not having an audience member toss the cube. I was too scared to do this and didn't do it.

3. The reveal of the first matching side plays awesome, but I wasn't able to get this to 'build' from there to a stronger reaction for each subsequent side...this is something I'll personally need to work on. I've never done a cube routine before, so I'm sure this is something that will develop with more routining.

Overall, this will be going into my permanent repertoire - I like that it's a refreshing change from cards/coins/ropes and it's very relatable for spectators. I will, however, also be learning to solve the cube; I think the first phase described in video 11 will make it will worth it.
Message: Posted by: BMWGuy (Nov 21, 2016 08:22AM)
Hey guys,

So I didn't order this into way later after the price had already gone up to $350, and I did not get it from Greg.

I bought it from a Café member in MINT condition for $325.00 so I saved $25.00.

I have had a chance to look at all the videos, and practice a bit last week.

Bear in mind, that I have practiced the cube solve from the video, as well as, getting into position.

I have not practiced the invisible move that you do with the gimmick, if you know what I mean.

You get to see Greg performing this at the Magic Castle, which I thought was a nice bonus.

Overall the packaging is great, you get extra stickers, since on mine, 1-2 looks like with some work they will peel off.

You also get a small little phillips head, and putty, and the 2 cubes, and the gimmick.

I do not know how to solve a cube, but within 15 min after I saw Greg explain and explain what not to do, and what you are supposed to do.

I can now solve the cube with one hand without looking, and it took me a total of like 30 min, after seeing the video.

This is not hard to do, and I am in love with the method, because the cube does look like its mixed up.

Next up for me this week, will be practicing the invisible move I talked about earlier, to make that look smooth, and I plan on working on this until it is right.

I believe it is a strong effect in the eyes of a spectator, heck, I showed my wife the demo for Rubicon, and she thought it was really cool, and she loved the effect, and my wife, as most wives are hard critics.

I believe whether you paid the $250, or $350, or something in between, this is an investment, that you will feel proud of, and you enjoy.

Congratulations to Greg Wilson for providing this for us, and if you are hesitating purchasing this, because maybe, either A) you don't think Rubik Cube magic is for you B) Cant solve a Cube, or C) afraid of performing such a routine for fear of failure,

don't be, this routine is easy enough, and if you follow directions, you will be way ahead, and enjoy your investment.

Overall, great product.

Rating

Teaching 8.5/10 Some of the videos are out of order, and I came into this when the new videos were added, but I bet most of you were scratching your heads at some points, before the new videos were added.

Gimmick look, feel, evolution 10/10 Looks and feels great, and everything is where it is supposed to be

Routine 9.5/10 Nothing too knacky to worry about, and easy enough with practice

Moves 9.0/10 There is one move that you need to practice, but it is invsible, and also well mixing up the cube and solving it, and be 7 moves away,

Materials supplied 10/10 You pretty much get everything, and more stickers, and other items, and the box it comes with and the foam house everything snug.

Customer service: 9/10 I never had a problem with Greg or Secret Source, I know some of you did on emails, but I always got a response, and so I cant complain, Greg is just trying to help when he can, if not one of his workers will.

Overall thoughts/impressions: 9.5/10 Great prop to have, easy to do, you will be laughing when practicing and solving it, without looking, you will look like a wizard.

Put in the time, practice, dedication this deserves, and I am sure you will get a lot of use out of it.

I think that if we do a survey out of 10 people, and we ask, this will be the result at least 7/10 people will love it, 2/10 people will think its OK, or because they didn't like some aspect of the method or had some sort of problem, 1/10 will hate it, and sell it off.

Maybe I am wrong, but I believe the consensus is merely positive for this bad boy, and it is a tool to have at your disposal, anytime, anywhere, like Greg states, he has been working this on stage, platform, and more for over 10 years.

Alex Alejandro
Message: Posted by: Decomposed (Nov 21, 2016 09:25PM)
Nice review dude.... :bunny:
Message: Posted by: Decomposed (Nov 23, 2016 12:08AM)
I did this in front of about 35 last night, stunned silence (which is my norm) then applause. Well pleased.
Message: Posted by: Decomposed (Dec 2, 2016 02:15PM)
Plan on closing my mentalism show (that's right mentalism) with Cube 3 moving into Rubicon for closer for first corporate event try out. My friend gave me a mentalism spin for bag solve for Cube 3 which I may or may not use but plan on bag solve with Rubicon solved cube to lead in. See the thread as the norm, has died down as searchers of the holy grail move elsewhere for their next fix. I get it. Another day for another toy. What will be under the Christmas tree etc... But for me, Rubicon is still as fresh as the heat of the July first demo.... :sun:
Message: Posted by: RNK (Dec 2, 2016 02:27PM)
[quote]On Dec 2, 2016, Decomposed wrote:
Plan on closing my mentalism show (that's right mentalism) with Cube 3 moving into Rubicon for closer for first corporate event try out. My friend gave me a mentalism spin for bag solve for Cube 3 which I may or may not use but plan on bag solve with Rubicon solved cube to lead in. See the thread as the norm, has died down as searchers of the holy grail move elsewhere for their next fix. I get it. Another day for another toy. What will be under the Christmas tree etc... But for me, Rubicon is still as fresh as the heat of the July first demo.... :sun: [/quote]

I'm with you G! I'm looking forward to working Rubicon Saturday at a corporate Christmas gig. My first true test with it but I am sure it's going to go over great! It will get a lot of work as I will be there for 5 freakin hours(Ugh!) with about 400 people!!

RNK
Message: Posted by: Decomposed (Dec 2, 2016 10:23PM)
Dude, that is a long one for sure. Done those before strolling. That should be a great test. How are you going to cart it around with ya? I take it just a cube in each pocket? My gig is for about 50-60 appearing live one show only.
Message: Posted by: Magic KL (Dec 3, 2016 12:23AM)
Wow, this thread has 26 pages of comments. The trick has to be good.
Message: Posted by: The Duster (Dec 3, 2016 06:03AM)
[quote]On Dec 3, 2016, Magic KL wrote:
Wow, this thread has 26 pages of comments. The trick has to be good. [/quote]

Or delayed
Message: Posted by: RNK (Dec 3, 2016 07:03AM)
[quote]On Dec 2, 2016, Decomposed wrote:
Dude, that is a long one for sure. Done those before strolling. That should be a great test. How are you going to cart it around with ya? I take it just a cube in each pocket? My gig is for about 50-60 appearing live one show only. [/quote]


I think I am just going to use the box it came in, take out the foam as Greg suggested so I can put a few other things in to. The gig is in a convention center so I am also going to take my table so I have a "station" to work from at times. Who knows, maybe people will just mosey on over to me and I won't have to move! Lol. Doubt it.
Message: Posted by: Decomposed (Dec 4, 2016 12:01AM)
Well my gig went great. Nice feeling, I closed my mentalism show with Rubicon. Opened with Cube 3 Bag solve then moved right into Rubicon, same cube in play. I also used the box it came with stored in my carry case inside a sandwich bag plastic sleeve just to help protect from bumps.

The same cube for bag solve I held high up to ensure everyone knew I did not switch then handing it to a woman to mix. Very nice logical disconnect in play here mind you....My patter is a little history on the cube even though my audience was 30-60 in age so everyone knew this little marvel. :goof:
Message: Posted by: EZrhythm (Dec 4, 2016 06:47AM)
:applause:
Message: Posted by: PatrickGregoire (Dec 5, 2016 01:07AM)
Here's how I'm performing Rubicon: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A6vO-nfTXjQ&feature=youtu.be
Message: Posted by: nspikito (Dec 5, 2016 01:49AM)
Well done, Patrick!
Spike
Message: Posted by: RNK (Dec 5, 2016 08:15AM)
[quote]On Dec 4, 2016, Decomposed wrote:
Well my gig went great. Nice feeling, I closed my mentalism show with Rubicon. Opened with Cube 3 Bag solve then moved right into Rubicon, same cube in play. I also used the box it came with stored in my carry case inside a sandwich bag plastic sleeve just to help protect from bumps.

The same cube for bag solve I held high up to ensure everyone knew I did not switch then handing it to a woman to mix. Very nice logical disconnect in play here mind you....My patter is a little history on the cube even though my audience was 30-60 in age so everyone knew this little marvel. :goof: [/quote]

Nice G. I had a blast preforming Rubicon at mine. Everyone loved it! To prep them I pulled out Rubick's Rod first then finished with Rubicon. I have to say I am even more pleased with this purchase after extensively using it.


RNK
Message: Posted by: mistervader (Dec 8, 2016 12:47AM)
Really nice video of me doing Rubicon, although my wrist motion leaves a lot to be desired. Camera was really good, and shot on Facebook Live, around 3 hours and 12 minutes in: https://www.facebook.com/digitalhalohalo/videos/215223805586207/

I can't move my wrist too much for fear of either dropping the cube or messing my grip on the cube, making me turn or twist in the wrong direction.
Message: Posted by: Decomposed (Dec 8, 2016 01:53AM)
Nice videos, thanks for sharing both....back in action Saturday for Dec finale. Nice to have a few presentations under belt for this one which will include heavy drinkers.

Good action Bob......like that idea... :bubbly: :bubbly:
Message: Posted by: Red Shadow (Dec 8, 2016 10:14AM)
Quick tip. If you accidentally mess up the cube and need help putting it back, download the Rubiks cube app from the app store (its free) and it will solve the cube for you, showing you all the necessary moves. Very, very useful.

https://itunes.apple.com/gb/app/rubiks-cube/id361231506?mt=8
Message: Posted by: jruiz0216 (Dec 8, 2016 04:56PM)
Thought I'd share my Behind the Back Solve Progress. I think I am now ready to take this out in the wild :)

I actually practice the 1 hand solve with one of my speed cubes (as in the link)

Link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N7Qs7on9G3U
Message: Posted by: oscarf (Dec 10, 2016 12:10PM)
I just became aware of this when Penguin sent out a mailing. I don't know how I missed it up until now. The reason I shelled out this much money, besides loving everything Greg does, is that I love the Rubik's Cube. And the name Rubicon has the lowest possible entropy - there couldn't BE a better name. Alas, I have to wait four more days for my Rubicon to arrive. No need to read any further unless you want my unbidden advice on solving the real cube ...

At 62 years old, I have been doing the cube on and off since it was invented, but over the last year, I began to try a little harder to increase my solving speed. I think this effect is even better if you know your way around a real cube for real, and it's also fun, addictive, and probably good for keeping your brain young (a daily struggle for some of us). I can currently solve it in about 70 seconds, 90 tops, and I am determined to get it to under 60 seconds. That's still nothing for a young person, free of such encumbrances as a job, but it's pretty good for this age. I solve the cube four or five times every day, but usually not much more often than that unless I'm adding a new algorithm to my arsenal. But, you have to keep a cube on your desk, by the TV, by the bed, etc. if you don't want to lose the skill.

Here's my advice on learning. First, orient yourself to how the regular cube works and how the face color is determined. THEN, learn the beginners method to solve the cube, making an effort to solve the Cross, then the First Layer, and then the middle layer intuitively without memorizing algorithms. Once you get oriented, it is really quite easy, but it takes quite awhile to just get comfortable. Once you have that down (one session of a few hours is enough if you can stand it), learn the couple of algorithms in the beginner's method to orient and permute the last layer. That doesn't take long. And then just solve the cube as often as you can every day for a few weeks.

The secret is not to overwhelm yourself. After awhile, you will be confident that you can solve the cube without notes and without having to think much. You can easily do it in under three minutes with the beginner's method, and even faster if you work at it. In fact, there is no reason to take it any further than that, but you will find yourself wanting to. Rather than go into (more) detail, I'll just say that the next steps are to learn CFOP which is _nowhere_ near as complex as it looks like it is. And, you can learn 2-look OLL and PLL. It's pretty easy, really, if you just learn a little at a time. Never mind what those things mean, they can be looked up, but my point is, it is NOT as difficult as it seems if you just take it a little at a time. There are many redundant moves and moves that are long to explain but easy to learn.

I promise you will not regret learning to speed solve the Rubik's Cube!
Message: Posted by: Akmal Magication (Dec 11, 2016 08:53PM)
Is this something that works everytime? or theres a time the gimmick can be messed up?
Message: Posted by: PatrickGregoire (Dec 11, 2016 10:22PM)
You could mess this up but it wouldn't be the gimmick's fault.
Message: Posted by: oscarf (Dec 13, 2016 04:56AM)
Received my Rubicon yesterday (early). Pure genius from Gregory Wilson, just as everyone is saying. My wife is completely baffled, and she's watched me solve the real cube thousands of times (by watched I mean "been in the same room as me while"). She is now convinced that I have gained a supernatural level of skill, even though I have told her it's a magic trick. I've always been impressed with Greg's magical mind (who hasn't?) but this is truly a tour de force of magical innovation.
Message: Posted by: MagieLucas (Dec 14, 2016 10:59AM)
I have a question but not to ask here. Can anyone help???
Message: Posted by: That1MagicGuy (Dec 14, 2016 11:38AM)
So easy! I love my Rubicon. Working on my first full scale show. This is definitely going in!
Message: Posted by: MDon 2233 (Dec 14, 2016 11:40AM)
Straight into my A list set
Message: Posted by: Andrew Davis (Dec 14, 2016 07:49PM)
Hey Guys,

We are happy to finally have some of these in stock - Limited quantities, but they are here and free shipping worldwide.

http://www.magicandsuch.com/product/rubicon-gimmick-and-online-instructions-by-greg-wilson/
Message: Posted by: Decomposed (Dec 17, 2016 11:43PM)
So many have this now I kinda wish I had quit pumping it. Seems I am seeing it on adverts of more performing it..., if I see a creepy clown doing it (like MOABT) I may be forced in drawering it. :bawl:
Message: Posted by: dp (Dec 18, 2016 08:26AM)
[quote]On Oct 31, 2016, Mike Webb wrote:
[quote]On Oct 31, 2016, Justin Lewis wrote:
Great news about the new footage being added soon! My cube got solved. I have two solved cubes... lol
cant do much until the new footage is uploaded [/quote]

*Fourteen* videos and none of them explain how to set up the cube to be solved. Doh! :crazydude: [/quote]

I too am struggling to find the video that clearly states how to set up the cube. There are so many videos telling me how great it is and how well it works and yet the basics seem to be missing form the instructions. It would be really useful to have a video that just says 'set up'. This would very slowly, with just the cube on the screen go through the process for me. I know Greg can do it very fast with one hand and it looks great but I think the teaching needed to start a little slower paced. I have seen my fair share of magic instructions and I can say conclusively that I just can't follow it. Maybe I'm missing something but Ive just watched every video that is online today in the secret area and I don't know where to start with a basic set up. I am finding this very frustrating as everything else seems fine and dandy.
Message: Posted by: RNK (Dec 18, 2016 09:12AM)
I thought the setup was clearly explained which is so simple. From what I remember of the instructions Greg went over it in detail.

As a matter of fact I remember Greg saying counter-clockwise and away from you and clockwise towards you. Very simple.
Message: Posted by: theoriginalman (Dec 18, 2016 11:45AM)
Although the instructional videos are not in order, there is one where Greg teaches the set up,step by step over and over again, multiple times and multiple views, almost to the point of being over done. Review the videos and you will have to rethink the complexity of the set up.
Message: Posted by: dp (Dec 18, 2016 12:53PM)
[quote]On Dec 18, 2016, theoriginalman wrote:
Although the instructional videos are not in order, there is one where Greg teaches the set up,step by step over and over again, multiple times and multiple views, almost to the point of being over done. Review the videos and you will have to rethink the complexity of the set up. [/quote]

Thanks for your help original man. Today that video didn't seem to be there? Anyone know which number that is? Impressed with everything else though.
Message: Posted by: dp (Dec 18, 2016 02:26PM)
[quote]On Dec 18, 2016, dp wrote:
[quote]On Dec 18, 2016, theoriginalman wrote:
Although the instructional videos are not in order, there is one where Greg teaches the set up,step by step over and over again, multiple times and multiple views, almost to the point of being over done. Review the videos and you will have to rethink the complexity of the set up. [/quote]

Thanks for your help original man. Today that video didn't seem to be there? Anyone know which number that is? Impressed with everything else though. [/quote]

GOT IT! It's on there now. I did think it was strange how so few videos were on there earlier today.
Message: Posted by: Kentrell (Dec 18, 2016 03:50PM)
This is a great idea and an excellent gimmick... Top notch. You could either use the routine provided or incorporate it into your own routine. IMO, for a commercial magic product, this is as good as it gets!

However, as most have said, the video instructions are a mess. I think they missed the forest for the trees as details are presented without first giving an overall view of the method. A lot of assumptions are made that the viewer couldn't know, leading to confusion. I create educational material for a very complex field professionally, and this is poorly done. When using streaming video, there is a tendency to not plan as well as for a DVD (creating disorganized "content"). I hope they create a new video that breaks things down in a more organized fashion. I'm tired of rewatching these clips trying to piece this together.

The actual product is fantastic.

K
Message: Posted by: videoman (Dec 18, 2016 05:24PM)
I agree that the videos got a kind of a bum rush and seem more like an unedited rough copy.
Hopefully, after the holidays Greg and his team will have some time to revamp them and make them easier to follow and more coherent.

But as it stands, the material is now all there. You just to need to wade through it to find what you want.
But with just a little simple editing and reorganization I think any problems people are having could be eliminated.
A product and routine as good as this one (and at this price point) deserves that IMO.
Message: Posted by: Tim Hannig (Dec 19, 2016 09:39PM)
When watching the videos the first time, I just took notes on what was on each video, so I could go back and review what I needed to.

If you watch them all, you should be able to do the routine with no problem.
Message: Posted by: AndreaMooreMagic (Dec 19, 2016 10:08PM)
This is definitely a worker. I am loving every second of it! Highly recommended.
Message: Posted by: Decomposed (Dec 20, 2016 01:33AM)
Yes it is indeed, a real worker.... :baby:
Message: Posted by: charlies_hat (Dec 20, 2016 04:38AM)
I struggled with the set up for a few hours.

It was the 'over the shoulder' set up that I watched again and then everything clicked into place. What had been confusing me was the "clockwise / anticlockwise" references, I was unsure as to whether Greg was referring to turning the whole cube clockwise / anticlockwise or the twisting of the section each time.

Anyway, the over the shoulder bit nailed it for me.

On another note, it's not as simple as perhaps people make out on here. As always there are a few bits to commit to memory, and also to muscle memory. And if you go wrong at any point, the reset is basically knowing how to do a rubiks cube. All that said, I've had it a few days and now I'm used to it, I think it's an excellent purchase.
Message: Posted by: bertolla (Dec 28, 2016 02:53PM)
What a great effect! I do not like Rubik Cube routines but this is real great. Very easy to learn and if you mixed your cubes there is a free app called freecubesolver!
Message: Posted by: j.i.s. (Dec 29, 2016 04:57PM)
Hello . I have it too and I played every day a little but I am curious if I want to buy an ordinary rubik cube exactly like Greg's Rubicon one which one exactly is ? 3×3 DaYan GuHong ? 3×3 DaYan ZhanChi ? So if I will break the cube for example from where to buy a cube exaclty like Greg one ? Did he think to sell some parts like a cube or other things to the Rubicon owners . Every clients have that card acces so I could buy some parts from that rubicn box if I need ?

Thank you
Message: Posted by: SKILL (Jan 1, 2017 10:53AM)
Very clever .........i already got mine love it
Message: Posted by: j.i.s. (Jan 1, 2017 12:34PM)
I did the trick to my girlfriend and second time discovered the little difference between the cubes :( . Hm I keep it with a space between it but maybe I didn,t keep it in motion :(
Message: Posted by: PatrickGregoire (Jan 1, 2017 12:54PM)
Second time?!...

Personally I don't think this is a close-up trick, it's designed for stand-up/parlour.
Message: Posted by: MJ Marrs (Jan 1, 2017 07:02PM)
[quote]On Jan 1, 2017, j.i.s. wrote:
I did the trick to my girlfriend and second time discovered the little difference between the cubes :( . Hm I keep it with a space between it but maybe I didn,t keep it in motion :( [/quote]

First time is magic...second time is education.
Message: Posted by: theoriginalman (Jan 2, 2017 09:28AM)
This can be used as a close-up trick with a little modification in the routine. Yes keeping the cube in motion,distance and focusing on the presentation and less on the "cube" may help. I've performed this close-up among friends and have never been questioned on any "differences" in cube. Greg mentions this in the video. Try allowing them to "play" with the cube as much as possible, engage them in conversation as they are mixing the cube, let them look at it as they mix it up, these little subtleties will take suspension away as they have thoroughly examined the cube and will therefore be ready to enjoy the miracle.
Message: Posted by: Michael Dustman (Jan 2, 2017 11:25AM)
This has also been cycled into my A List Stand Up Show. But for me, I knew it was a winner when I was caught a bit off guard performing it a private party. We were gathered in a group with my back to a wall. As the spectator began mixing his cube, I had two people come up on either side of me right off of my elbows. They were looking right down on my hands as I took the cubes back and did the move. The genuine reactions of shock and swearing when I showed the six sides matching was well worth the money paid. Quite honestly, if I never performed this routine again, I got my money's worth on the reaction that evening. (But no chance of this going to the magic drawer).

Yes, it can be managed close-up but I agree it is more suited to parlor or stand-up. However, recalling how I protected my angles with someone about a foot away from me on either side, I wouldn't hesitate to do this close-up again in the proper situations.

Been waiting about six years for Greg to release this since I saw it at Magifest. Didn't hesitate to jump on the presale. Well worth it and a definite keeper.
Message: Posted by: RNK (Jan 4, 2017 06:56AM)
I have yet to perform this in a stand up/stage show. I have performed this in 4 of my close-up/strolling gigs with great success. Though, I think I am going to use it in a stand up show this month on Martin Luther King Day. I think this would play well for both kids and adults. The show will only have a handful of kids but about 80 adults. I think kids are familiar enough with the cube for this to play well.

Do you guys think kids (probably ages 6 to 13 or so) are familiar enough with Rubick's Cube?


RNK
Message: Posted by: pegasus (Jan 4, 2017 10:47AM)
I have two children in that age range and they most certainly are aware RNK.
Message: Posted by: RNK (Jan 4, 2017 11:24AM)
[quote]On Jan 4, 2017, pegasus wrote:
I have two children in that age range and they most certainly are aware RNK. [/quote]

OK. Good! Nice to hear.

Thanks!
Message: Posted by: novestro (Jan 19, 2017 12:34PM)
Hi guys, I live in Germany and have just received a rubicon I bought from a US ebayer. The cubes are wonderful but when I enter the secret access code I just get "home error 401" or "home error 405" and get no chance to reach the instructional videos. The ebayer obviously does not understand the problem, I have contacted Gregory but haven't received an answer so far. I wonder if any of you guys could give me a hint or help me some way?
Message: Posted by: RNK (Jan 19, 2017 02:03PM)
Well, finally used this in a stand up show and man am I glad that I did! It was a huge hit. I was worried about people sitting in the back (There was about 70 adults and 20 kids/teens) staying tuned in while I was showing the matching sides but I have to say everyone enjoyed the routine. It's nice to have a routine that you can do close-up or stand-up/stage shows with so little to carry that has such a great impact.




RNK
Message: Posted by: MagieLucas (Jan 19, 2017 08:27PM)
I read everything here. I bought rubikon and I'm very very happy that I did as I plan to put it in to my working act. Its very very good for what you get!!
Message: Posted by: Kentrell (Jan 20, 2017 08:57PM)
Has anyone confirmed which specific cubes they used? I would like to get a couple to match.
K
Message: Posted by: PatrickGregoire (Jan 20, 2017 09:32PM)
[quote]On Jan 20, 2017, Kentrell wrote:
Has anyone confirmed which specific cubes they used? I would like to get a couple to match.
K [/quote]

They're custom-made for Rubicon.
Message: Posted by: novestro (Jan 21, 2017 09:56AM)
Please HELP!
Hi guys, I live in Germany and have just received a rubicon I bought from a US ebayer. The cubes are wonderful but when I enter the secret access code I just get "home error 401" or "home error 405" and get no chance to reach the instructional videos. The ebayer obviously does not understand the problem,or does not want to, I have contacted Gregory but haven't received an answer so far. I wonder if any of you guys could give me a hint or help me some way?
Message: Posted by: novestro (Jan 21, 2017 10:56AM)
Please HELP!
Hi guys, I live in Germany and have just received a rubicon I bought from a US ebayer. The cubes are wonderful but when I enter the secret access code I just get "home error 401" or "home error 405" and get no chance to reach the instructional videos. The ebayer obviously does not understand the problem,or does not want to, I have contacted Gregory but haven't received an answer so far. I wonder if any of you guys could give me a hint or help me some way?
Message: Posted by: EZrhythm (Jan 21, 2017 10:51PM)
You need to check your PM's. ;)
Message: Posted by: novestro (Jan 26, 2017 12:58AM)
Hi guys, I must express my very positive impression of the Magic Café: The ebayer and three friends have really worked hard to spport me and thus all my Rubicon problems are solved now. Thank you everybody! The trick is really great and I combine it successfully with a very old trick of the Magic Hands which I have been using for many years.
Message: Posted by: Waters. (Jan 27, 2017 10:14PM)
Can anyone tell me the dimensions (read: size) of these cubes?
Message: Posted by: Decomposed (Feb 5, 2017 12:44AM)
Same size of regular rubic cube at toy stores...
Message: Posted by: Waters. (Feb 5, 2017 06:16AM)
[quote]On Feb 5, 2017, Decomposed wrote:
Same size of regular rubic cube at toy stores... [/quote]

Thanks!
Message: Posted by: j.i.s. (Feb 17, 2017 01:05AM)
Hello Fellows If I want to buy more Rubicon stickers from where to buy ? What kind of stickers are about the exact coulour ? I think is standard but from where to buy ? Thank you
Message: Posted by: PatrickGregoire (Feb 17, 2017 07:03AM)
Buy any stickers you want, scape off the Rubicon stickers and put on your new ones.
Message: Posted by: j.i.s. (Feb 18, 2017 09:00AM)
Is not ok like this so please dear fellows magicians if I want more stikers for Rubicon from where to buy . I know some speed cube shops but what kind of stickers are these ? What exactly colours because it must to match perfectly the colour of Rubicon stickers . Thank you
Message: Posted by: PatrickGregoire (Feb 18, 2017 10:12AM)
I'm assuming you're saying that what I suggested is not ok? If that's what you're saying, why not? I'm pretty sure I remember someone mentioning that the only reason Gregory used different stickers was because he wasn't allowed to sell the official Rubik's Cube colours...
Message: Posted by: j.i.s. (Feb 18, 2017 10:15AM)
Ok for example could I found here the right stickers ? and if is so which are the correct coulour stickers to match Rubicon https://thecubicle.us/sticker-picker-55mm-valk-c-66_229.html
Message: Posted by: MontrealMagic (Mar 3, 2017 01:55PM)
I just ordered this (stupidly have to wait for "ground shipping") and am I correct in understanding that there are online instructions? can someone please send me the link?
Message: Posted by: magic1178 (Mar 3, 2017 03:12PM)
Hey fellow magi,
I too am wondering what is the exact sticker and correct colour scheme for matching the cube, I don't want to peel off all the stickers if possible.
Thanks
Message: Posted by: Cartelli (Mar 8, 2017 02:16AM)
Hi,
I have tryed different types of stickers for other cube effects. The yellow and orange stickers are often darker than original rubiks cubes. Some stickers are thin and look darker after they are sticked to a black cube.
The original stickers from "rubiks.com" are very good and you will not see any differenz to rubicon. They come on a transfer sheet so you can easily stick on one side at once.
Message: Posted by: MontrealMagic (Mar 8, 2017 07:56AM)
Speedcubeshop.com has a ton of stickers you can order (really inexpensive too) and the customer service is amazing. They will help you match the colors to the cube you have.

I just got this trick yesterday and I think it is great, Insanely priced, but great.
Message: Posted by: KRMarlo (Apr 8, 2017 01:17PM)
Hello Friends,

Seems I'm in a bind that is similar to our friend from Germany at the top of this page. I'm an original owner of Rubicon. I absolutely love it, however, it does not have a proper fit in my work at this time. As a result, I find myself in the midst of a trade agreement with another magician for something I more actively need for my work.

The problem is, as an original owner who's worked with this routine and opened the video instruction, I am caught in the inability to transfer this code to a new magician without compromising my own user name and password (which I am not comfortable with and will not be doing), when it leaves my hands. Digital/Streaming instruction is certainly secure and convenient, but the level of security makes it impossible to pass things on to new blood when we don't have a home for them in our rep.

Can anyone possibly point me in the direction of a hard download or perhaps some means of resetting the code for a new owner? It would be a shame to have this just collect dust on my shelf, when someone can actually perform with it instead.

Thanks so much, everyone!
Message: Posted by: KRMarlo (Apr 13, 2017 06:57AM)
[quote]On Apr 8, 2017, KRMarlo wrote:
Hello Friends,

Seems I'm in a bind that is similar to our friend from Germany at the top of this page. I'm an original owner of Rubicon. I absolutely love it, however, it does not have a proper fit in my work at this time. As a result, I find myself in the midst of a trade agreement with another magician for something I more actively need for my work.

The problem is, as an original owner who's worked with this routine and opened the video instruction, I am caught in the inability to transfer this code to a new magician without compromising my own user name and password (which I am not comfortable with and will not be doing), when it leaves my hands. Digital/Streaming instruction is certainly secure and convenient, but the level of security makes it impossible to pass things on to new blood when we don't have a home for them in our rep.

Can anyone possibly point me in the direction of a hard download or perhaps some means of resetting the code for a new owner? It would be a shame to have this just collect dust on my shelf, when someone can actually perform with it instead.

Thanks so much, everyone! [/quote]

This has gone from inconvenient to infuriating. I'm a little floored, with how this community trades and sells magic as their acts change, that Rubicon is not provided with a simpler means to move the directions along with the prop when allowing it to leave one's hands.

I've learned that some magicians that have sold the piece have gone into the instruction videos' host site to change their passwords and pass the entire account to the next magician. I'm afraid I am not even seeing that option (or ANY options for editing my account) in the host site. I am about to lose a trade opportunity for something else I can truly use for my act. Are there any who have sold theirs that are able to help me locate a means to change the password or otherwise manage to pass this routine along? For what this cost (pre-order break or not) I am really at wit's end.

Thanks, everyone.
Message: Posted by: professorwhut (May 16, 2017 12:18PM)
Looks like these are no longer available. Penguin has had them on Pre-Order for quite some time now.
Message: Posted by: Decomposed (May 21, 2017 03:52AM)
Glad I got mine....using it every stand up show. I have to say I can solve the cube and the one hand cube is easy to learn but boy, having it not work as a closer had me spinning earlier. Its not fault of Rubicon, and really its no fault of mine after going through the old fashion solve. I discovered this does happen occasionally with any cube. One piece usually the corner, becomes rearranged somehow. And from there, the mix up continues as you solve. I can do the solve in my sleep, its all muscle memory but just beware. I have heard from another solver it does happen ****(see below also from a speed cuber)

Fixing is just solving to the top layer then easily turning one or two corner pieces to solve. Having solved hundreds of cubes, this has happened maybe 2-3 times.

About the key and videos, I lost my key. Fortunately I do remember most of the videos but would have loved to have access....



***"Yes, it is possible for a cube to freakishly enter an unsolvable orbit without it falling apart.

Sometimes a corner can twist in place without anything actually falling apart. The cubies cling to each other, and even though it's typically a tight fit, sometimes when the cube turns badly pieces can lock together and create extra space for pieces to wiggle. It depends on the brand of the cube, and non-Rubik's brand cubes that have looser screws are prone to this."
Message: Posted by: alee7371 (May 21, 2017 11:09AM)
I believe you can get Rubicon direct from Greg Wilson website, "The secret Source"
Message: Posted by: Decomposed (May 28, 2017 10:18PM)
Yes you can buy directly from Greg. I have recently added a key fob to the great little customized tool Greg's puts in the package. Its great to use on all my other cubes as well. Just a FYI.. :bigsmile:
Message: Posted by: iluzjonista (Jul 21, 2017 03:55PM)
Is this product discontinued? It's out of stock on all dealers. I contacted Greg directly but I didn't received any respond.
Message: Posted by: Magic KL (Jul 21, 2017 05:11PM)
Maybe the easiest way for you to get one is from the "Tricks for sale" page. I saw a couple for sale recently over there.
Message: Posted by: Mark_Chandaue (Aug 1, 2017 02:55AM)
[quote]On Jul 21, 2017, Magic KL wrote:
Maybe the easiest way for you to get one is from the "Tricks for sale" page. I saw a couple for sale recently over there. [/quote]

Mine is currently for sale in that section.

Mark
Message: Posted by: RNK (Aug 4, 2017 09:03AM)
[quote]On Aug 3, 2017, edwardowen93 wrote:
How are people finding this? I'm very tempted to buy it... [/quote]

I am loving this! I use it for both stand-up and close-up performances. Super easy and quick reset! Great for all ages to!


RNK
Message: Posted by: overflow (Aug 4, 2017 09:40AM)
Is it still available somewhere ?

Thanks
Message: Posted by: kollo (Aug 13, 2017 12:44AM)
Finally I got mine from Vanishing Inc.
When I get to instructional page, there's written the headline "Rubicon 2.0", followed by the trailer.
But NO explanation video!
Can other owners please confirm/help?
I've already written to the instructional page owner.
Message: Posted by: Lou Cirulli (Nov 28, 2017 07:28PM)
Oh look. 4 months later and Rubicon 2.0 is coming out. $350 down the drain.
Message: Posted by: The Duster (Nov 28, 2017 07:45PM)
I didn't buy Rubicon

Partly as a few of his effects seemed to have been 'borrowed' and also I wasn't feeling the pre order

I was worried he wanted to rush money coming in - before what ever 'inspired' him came out

Just my thoughts

It never crossed my mind that it was going to be replaced a few months later by an upgraded version

I take it all those who bought the original get the upgraded version for free [?]

Rubicon 2.0
350.00

Ships in December 2017
Re-engineered cubes for maximum deception!
Super easy to do (comes complete with EVERYTHING needed to do both phases of the routine)
No legitimate cube-solving necessary
Can be performed close-up, stand-up and completely surrounded
The custom-designed, state-of-the-art gimmick does all the work for you!
Free US Shipping (Use promo code FREESHIP at checkout)

I do find the plot interesting

If I were to buy a cube effect now - it would probably be Rubik's Dream - as it has had so many great write ups

But I guess 2.0 Rubicon must have it's strengths over Rubik's Dream
Message: Posted by: PatrickGregoire (Nov 28, 2017 09:36PM)
The first version is still perfectly usable so why would we feel cheated that there's an upgrade now? Rubicon beats all other cube routines out there, even Perfect Square - which I think is total crap. Everyone seems to think you have to take the cubes out of view for a moment with Rubicon - you don't. Not even a little bit. If you do it right, the cubes literally never leave their sight.

I'd like to see a description of what's changed in the gimmick and preferably pictures. Overall, I'm super happy that Gregory is still selling this, the Wizard Product Review made it sound like Rubicon was obsolete now because of Rubik's Dream and Perfect Square.
Message: Posted by: videoman (Nov 28, 2017 09:51PM)
[quote]On Nov 28, 2017, Lou Cirulli wrote:
Oh look. 4 months later and Rubicon 2.0 is coming out. $350 down the drain. [/quote]

Down the drain??? Really? Sorry, but I disagree and think this type of comment is just silly. Not to mention that I got mine over a year ago so it's been out a while now and I don't think there's anything wrong with an upgrade at this time.

Re: Rubik's Dream, I think it's nice that if you've purchased the original set you can buy replacement components for a greatly reduced price. The other really nice thing about RD is that you can take a Dremel tool to it and within minutes convert it into practically any other cube gimmick.
I recently converted my RD mini cube gaff into a mini cube Perfect Square gaff. So now I can do a matching cube effect while only needing to carry 2 small mini cubes. Love it, if this version were available commercially it could possibly get my vote for trick of the year.
Recently I also converted a full size RD into a Rubicon gimmick that folds flat, which although not necessary, is very helpful for the way I perform it.
So RD is definitely versatile, in many ways.
And yes, I have purchased all of the effects mentioned.
Message: Posted by: videoman (Nov 28, 2017 11:52PM)
I agree with Patrick's opinions comparing Rubicon to other similar products.
I prefer the Rubicon stack, the Rubicon gimmick, and the Rubicon display of all 6 sides.

As far as a cube matching effect, Rubik's Dream requires that the cube go out of sight momentarily and if you're going to do that you may as well do Karl Hein's version using ungimmicked cubes or any of the many others. So Perfect Square is a better direct comparison to Rubicon. But I prefer the Rubicon gimmick over the PS gimmick (when using a standard size cube, for the mini cube I slightly prefer the PS method, although I am having second thoughts about that.) But when using standard sized cubes the fact that Rubicon can be done with one hand allows for better misdirection when doing the move. Also, the move with Rubicon is generally quieter.
Finally, the end display of both cubes looks more natural to me with Rubicon.

I'd be interested to know what the 2.0 version of Rubicon offers. Possibly it could be made a tiny bit thinner which would be more deceptive when done very close up. But other than folding flat as mentioned in a prior post (which is something very specific to me, I don't think many other people are clamoring for that) I really can't think of how version 1 could be improved upon.
Message: Posted by: The Duster (Nov 29, 2017 12:47AM)
[quote]On Nov 28, 2017, videoman wrote:
I'd be interested to know what the 2.0 version of Rubicon offers. Possibly it could be made a tiny bit thinner which would be more deceptive when done very close up. [/quote]

Sounds like it will be thinner

"Re-engineered cubes for maximum deception!"
Message: Posted by: kollo (Nov 29, 2017 10:08AM)
As I was the one who posted the "2.0" thing:
It´s only a Headline above the online instructions, while the instructions are the "original one". So, there is no 2.0.
As a owner of Rubicon I really can´t imagine what could be done better. Rubicon is a premium product. I own all the other cube-gimmicks, but Rubicon is by far the best.
Message: Posted by: The Duster (Nov 29, 2017 11:44AM)
[quote]On Nov 29, 2017, kollo wrote:
As I was the one who posted the "2.0" thing:
It´s only a Headline above the online instructions, while the instructions are the "original one". So, there is no 2.0.
As a owner of Rubicon I really can´t imagine what could be done better. Rubicon is a premium product. I own all the other cube-gimmicks, but Rubicon is by far the best. [/quote]

Why do you say that as the ad copy clearly suggests that there is a 2.0

Ships in December 2017
Re-engineered cubes for maximum deception!
Super easy to do (comes complete with EVERYTHING needed to do both phases of the routine)
No legitimate cube-solving necessary
Can be performed close-up, stand-up and completely surrounded
The custom-designed, state-of-the-art gimmick does all the work for you!
Free US Shipping (Use promo code FREESHIP at checkout)

Why would it say 're-engineered' or the new shipping date

Old ad copy says:

Super easy to do (comes complete with EVERYTHING needed to do both phases of the routine)
No legitimate cube-solving necessary
Can be performed close-up, stand-up and completely surrounded
The custom-designed, state-of-the-art gimmick does all the work for you!
Message: Posted by: videoman (Nov 29, 2017 01:05PM)
Greg's recent email also states that 2.0 is not only newly re-engineered but with completely custom cubes.
Have no idea what that means as it is basically a re-wording of the original ad copy.

I guess we'll have to wait and see, but personally I think he is feeling some pressure from Perfect Square which I don't think is as good as Rubicon (although some do prefer it) but since PS is significantly cheaper and does get the job done, I would have to believe it is taking a large bite out of Rubicon's sales.
Message: Posted by: The Duster (Nov 29, 2017 01:11PM)
I thought Rubik's Dream was the Rubicon killer

There was also speculation [by others] that Greg rushed his 'original version' out to beat RD

But I don't know any of that for sure
Message: Posted by: Tim Hannig (Nov 29, 2017 01:24PM)
Just listed Rubicon for sale here on the Café at a great deal!
Message: Posted by: singhal5 (Nov 30, 2017 02:59AM)
Tim Hannig, where exactly on the Café can I find Rubison for sale?
Message: Posted by: The Duster (Nov 30, 2017 04:16AM)
You need 50 posts
Message: Posted by: overflow (Nov 30, 2017 04:26AM)
Good morning,
can someone show me where to find the AD copy of the new 2.0 version of rubicon ?

Regards
Message: Posted by: pegasus (Nov 30, 2017 04:32AM)
[quote]On Nov 30, 2017, overflow wrote:
Good morning,
can someone show me where to find the AD copy of the new 2.0 version of rubicon ?

Regards [/quote]

https://thesecretsource.com/gregs-gadgetry/rubicon
Message: Posted by: overflow (Nov 30, 2017 05:08AM)
[quote]On Nov 30, 2017, pegasus wrote:
[quote]On Nov 30, 2017, overflow wrote:
Good morning,
can someone show me where to find the AD copy of the new 2.0 version of rubicon ?

Regards [/quote]

https://thesecretsource.com/gregs-gadgetry/rubicon [/quote]

Thanks so much!
Message: Posted by: Alex DLF (Jan 7, 2018 11:29AM)
What if we want to sell this ? Because the instructions are linked to my account on secret access..
Message: Posted by: DynaMix (Jan 7, 2018 02:39PM)
Gentlemen - can someone recommend a primer for the various cube effects out there? I’ve tried searching but hoping someone can link me to a thread discussing the various options out there for Rubik effects. It is so much to digest.

Regarding 2.0 - are we assured “custom” still retains the standard rubik colors? I’d hate the new version to look different than what we all think of as a Rubik cube.
Message: Posted by: Bobby Forbes (Jan 7, 2018 05:15PM)
[quote]On Jan 7, 2018, DynaMix wrote:
Gentlemen - can someone recommend a primer for the various cube effects out there? I’ve tried searching but hoping someone can link me to a thread discussing the various options out there for Rubik effects. It is so much to digest.

Regarding 2.0 - are we assured “custom” still retains the standard rubik colors? I’d hate the new version to look different than what we all think of as a Rubik cube. [/quote]

You can't go wrong with Steven Brundage or Karl Heins work. A quick search with their names will point you in the right direction
Message: Posted by: The Duster (Jan 7, 2018 05:22PM)
[quote]On Jan 7, 2018, Bobby Forbes wrote:
[quote]On Jan 7, 2018, DynaMix wrote:
Gentlemen - can someone recommend a primer for the various cube effects out there? I’ve tried searching but hoping someone can link me to a thread discussing the various options out there for Rubik effects. It is so much to digest.

Regarding 2.0 - are we assured “custom” still retains the standard rubik colors? I’d hate the new version to look different than what we all think of as a Rubik cube. [/quote]

You can't go wrong with Steven Brundage or Karl Heins work. A quick search with their names will point you in the right direction [/quote]

Please not Steve Brundage as his 'work' is completely lifted [and not credited] from Takamiz Usui

You can't go wrong with Takamiz Usui or Karl Heins work
Message: Posted by: Xcath1 (Jan 7, 2018 09:05PM)
Not getting as much press as the Rubicks Dream, Nighmare and Rubicon but Perfect Square is a very nice solution. Not hijacking a thread, just want to let people know the options. Full disclosure I have all of these but have yet to perform any. Wow, that’s embarrassing.
Message: Posted by: Robert Angier (Jan 7, 2018 09:53PM)
[quote]On Jan 7, 2018, The Duster wrote:

Please not Steve Brundage as his 'work' is completely lifted [and not credited] from Takamiz Usui

You can't go wrong with Takamiz Usui or Karl Heins work [/quote]

Exactly.

Brundage lacks budo. Takamiz Usui, however, is the man!
Message: Posted by: videoman (Jan 7, 2018 09:59PM)
[quote]On Jan 7, 2018, Alex DLF wrote:
What if we want to sell this ? Because the instructions are linked to my account on secret access.. [/quote]

I know Café members have sold this so I would also be interested in hearing how they handled this issue.
Message: Posted by: atomic111 (Jan 9, 2018 01:05PM)
I received the sellers username and password. It doesn't appear either can be changed on the site, but the seller had no problem giving them to me. Just make sure you put them in a safe place.
Message: Posted by: innercirclewannabe (Jan 10, 2018 12:10PM)
No it can't be changed. I emailed Gregory about this but I got no reply.
Message: Posted by: elimagic (Jan 23, 2018 01:42PM)
Did anyone else see greg's post about a 2.0?
Message: Posted by: EZrhythm (Jan 23, 2018 11:55PM)
I also received the original purchaser's user name and password. Then I used a screen shot video downloader and saved all of the vids.
Message: Posted by: KRMarlo (Jan 24, 2018 06:52PM)
[quote]On Jan 7, 2018, videoman wrote:
[quote]On Jan 7, 2018, Alex DLF wrote:
What if we want to sell this ? Because the instructions are linked to my account on secret access.. [/quote]

I know Café members have sold this so I would also be interested in hearing how they handled this issue. [/quote]


I expressed frustration with this last year, when trying to complete the sale of my own Rubicon.

It's a little hidden, but there does exist an option to change the password used to access the videos. You can not, however, change the user name for login.

I provided my purchased with the login name and a new password that I changed the account to, and I included that info on a printout in the box. Zero issues there. Frustrating to have those kinds of hurdles to hop, but that's indeed the way to get it done.
Message: Posted by: Dr. Eamon (Feb 8, 2018 05:10AM)
Give away the cube...

Sorry if this question has been asked before but can anyone tell me the name of the cubes Gregory used in Rubicon 1.0 ?

And any tip where I can get the cheapest (similar looking) ungimmicked cubes to give away?

Thanks in advance.
Best wishes ;)
John
Message: Posted by: MontrealMagic (Feb 8, 2018 08:49AM)
Dr Eamon,

I have been doing that for a while, www.speedcubeshop.com has TONS and the customer service is amazing
Message: Posted by: Steven Leung (Feb 8, 2018 10:42PM)
Anyone know the difference between 1.0 and 2.0?
Message: Posted by: videoman (Feb 8, 2018 10:53PM)
[quote]On Feb 8, 2018, Steven Leung wrote:
Anyone know the difference between 1.0 and 2.0? [/quote]

I've made a couple inquiries asking that question to Gregory Wilson and a couple dealers but haven’t received any replies.
With Gregory's recent heart attack, I obviously don’t begrudge him for not answering or reporting here on the Café.
I’m beginning to think that 2.0 is simply what they’re calling the second batch because I can’t find any differences, or even imagine what they would be.
Message: Posted by: The Duster (Feb 8, 2018 10:58PM)
Didn't the copy suggest it was 'better' - like some small upgrade in the way it works [?]

I thought that was implied or stated - but could be wrong as I have neither
Message: Posted by: videoman (Feb 9, 2018 01:04AM)
One would certainly expect there to be improvements, but then again, one would also expect any improvements to be mentioned in the ads and emails I have seen regarding 2.0.
That is why it is so confusing.
Message: Posted by: Puzzlemaker (Feb 9, 2018 03:53AM)
There seems to be a mistake with the explanation of rubicon on the explanation website. (Address and Access code delivered on metal plate with the Rubicon 1) .

Chapter 5 (Rubicontrol) stops suddenly after only 40 seconds long and so I don't get an explanation of the handling and solving.

Is this problem known ?


Does Greg know it ? ( I sent him a message yesterday , Im fine with waiting several days for his answer )

I would appreciate any help ….
Message: Posted by: Puzzlemaker (Feb 9, 2018 04:25PM)
Now the website has changed : Chapter 5 is now 30 minutes long and everything is explained in detail !

(So the two posts may be deleted by administrators....)
Message: Posted by: Liams-Heart (Mar 3, 2018 02:17PM)
Hey guys. Quick question. I have the original Rubicon which I bought at the end of 2016. I just pulled it out for the first time in about a year and can't find the link to the instructions. Were they included in the box or e-mailed? Thanks.
Message: Posted by: videoman (Mar 3, 2018 05:01PM)
They should be in the box, on a metal card if memory serves.
Message: Posted by: EZrhythm (Mar 3, 2018 05:52PM)
If you have difficulties, PM me.
Message: Posted by: Liams-Heart (Mar 3, 2018 06:39PM)
[quote]On Mar 3, 2018, videoman wrote:
They should be in the box, on a metal card if memory serves. [/quote]

Thanks so much - that was it - found it!
Message: Posted by: Neznarf (Mar 4, 2018 10:13AM)
Saw Gregory Wilson close his lecture with Rubicon the other night.

He even tipped it, after he performed it.

It looked GREAT and like he says, $350 for a solid 5 minutes of your show.
Message: Posted by: Decomposed (May 3, 2018 03:43PM)
Still closing my show with this. Its the main reason I learned to solve. Now looking at other routines for repeat customers (nonpaying ones). :dancing:

PS: Don't lose that metal tag!!!

PSS: Anyone own both Rubicon and RD 360?
Message: Posted by: itsmagic (May 3, 2018 11:55PM)
[quote]On May 3, 2018, Decomposed wrote:
Still closing my show with this. Its the main reason I learned to solve. Now looking at other routines for repeat customers (nonpaying ones). :dancing:

PS: Don't lose that metal tag!!!

PSS: Anyone own both Rubicon and RD 360? [/quote]

I own Rubicon, RD360, Rubik's Dream, and now my favorite Isolated.
Message: Posted by: Ustaad (May 4, 2018 12:01AM)
[quote]On May 3, 2018, itsmagic wrote:

I own Rubicon, RD360, Rubik's Dream, and now my favorite Isolated. [/quote]

All are classics in their own rights.

:xmas:
Message: Posted by: Decomposed (May 4, 2018 12:12AM)
True that Ustaad. Isolation is certainly gaining momentum. :clown:
Message: Posted by: videoman (May 4, 2018 12:59AM)
[quote]On May 3, 2018, Decomposed wrote:
True that Ustaad. Isolation is certainly gaining momentum. :clown: [/quote]

Michael Murray will be happy to hear that. ;)
Message: Posted by: Magic KL (May 5, 2018 08:21PM)
If anyone is interested in this, HP is selling an used one without instructions for $175.
Message: Posted by: Magic KL (May 5, 2018 09:16PM)
No longer there now. Guess someone bought it.
Message: Posted by: Decomposed (May 5, 2018 11:31PM)
Would have been a good back up.
Message: Posted by: Jay Are (May 25, 2019 08:09PM)
Here is a question for rubicon owners.

Can the final cube be customized? I have an existing setup I’d like to continue working with.

Also...

Can the spectator hand you the cube in phase one and you solve it?

J
Message: Posted by: PatrickGregoire (May 25, 2019 10:49PM)
[quote]On May 25, 2019, Jay Are wrote:
Here is a question for rubicon owners.

Can the final cube be customized? I have an existing setup I’d like to continue working with.

Also...

Can the spectator hand you the cube in phase one and you solve it?

J [/quote]

Yes you can set it up to use whatever final pattern you want.

No, you cannot just take their cube and solve it. What exactly are you trying to accomplish? If you can give me a breakdown of what you want to do in your routine, I can let you know if it's possible or not and maybe even some ideas of how you could tweak it to make it work.
Message: Posted by: EZrhythm (May 25, 2019 11:55PM)
Have you watched the routine? Greg has the spectator mix a cube and then reveals that his cube matches and then solves the cube.
Message: Posted by: PatrickGregoire (May 26, 2019 12:03AM)
[quote]On May 25, 2019, Jay Are wrote:
Here is a question for rubicon owners.

Can the final cube be customized? I have an existing setup I’d like to continue working with.

Also...

Can the spectator hand you the cube in phase one and you solve it?

J [/quote]

Come to think of it, yes you can. They can mix it as much as they want, you can take it and go right into solving it. You'll have to learn how to actually solve a Rubik's Cube though lol
Message: Posted by: Jay Are (Jun 6, 2019 11:37PM)
Rubicon arrived...

Sadly underwhelmed. I bought this to "clean up" a part of my act -- and sadly the method only made it far, far dirtier.

My existing methodology for doing this has been a part of my program for more than a decade and puts two perfectly duplicated cubes in the hands of the spectator at the end. It's ballsy - but it has served me well.

Lesson learned -- don't try implanting a "magic prop" into mentalism.

No disrespect intended to Gregory Wilson -- or anyone who happens to love this product. It's well made, and the instructions are clear -- it's just not nearly as clean as I'd like.

J
Message: Posted by: judagar (Feb 15, 2020 02:40PM)
Does anyone know a source for stickers for Rubicon cubes? I want to change the solve on my cube. Tried to contact Greg and didn't hear back. thanks.