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Topic: Other animals
Message: Posted by: Kameron Messmer (Jul 13, 2016 01:46PM)
Does anyone else use any other animals besides doves and rabbits? I use goldfish and rabbits and was thinking about using fancy mice in my show. Maybe another small rodent... I have my own party place so I wouldn't bring them for traveling shows. Just wondering what else people used as far as live animals go...
Message: Posted by: Bill Hegbli (Jul 13, 2016 02:30PM)
Guinea pigs, snakes, dogs, cats, Lions, Tigers, Mountain Lions.
Message: Posted by: Kameron Messmer (Jul 13, 2016 03:42PM)
[quote]On Jul 13, 2016, Bill Hegbli wrote:
Guinea pigs, snakes, dogs, cats, Lions, Tigers, Mountain Lions. [/quote]
You use all those in your show??
Message: Posted by: Ken Northridge (Jul 13, 2016 04:00PM)
I used a hamster once. It bit me.
Message: Posted by: Dave Scribner (Jul 14, 2016 05:44AM)
Kameron, I took your question as being general and not looking for specifics. Bill responded with animals that others have used. He left out ducks, elephants, horses, chickens, parakeets, parrots and macaws. I think the bottom line is that just about any animal can be used. It's just up to your imagination and common sense.
Message: Posted by: jcmagicman (Jul 16, 2016 01:14AM)
There's a magician that uses an armadillo in his act.
Message: Posted by: Kyoki_Sanitys_Eclipse (Jul 16, 2016 01:54AM)
What's his name
Message: Posted by: Dick Oslund (Jul 16, 2016 07:09AM)
I think he means the late Parker Swan.

Parker did some great stuff. He was also a "character"! If I remember, at the end of his lecture, he announced that his notes were FREE! Jay Marshall rushed up, and was handed an 8 1/2" x 11" sheet of peper with "musical notes" on it!

His lecture was titled: 'How to Force a Watermelon". (The "big" trick was "finding a card in an impossible location" (a WATERMELON) After the mess of digging into the watermelon, the spectator was given the pieces of watermelon, as a souvenir!

He also had a gag about an armadillo. He had found a stuffed armadillo in a tourist souvenir shop in the Carribean. The armadillo was a "stuffed" dead little beast that had its head "biting its tail". the tail made a crude handle for the body which looked a bit like a basket.

Parker exhibited the "basket" and, described how he planned to get a live armadillo and teach it to hold its tail in its mouth. On cue, the armadillo would let go of its tail, and "come alive". I don't think that he ever found a live armadillo that was either "teachable or trainable"!
Message: Posted by: Dick Oslund (Jul 16, 2016 07:35AM)
[quote]On Jul 14, 2016, Dave Scribner wrote:
Kameron, I took your question as being general and not looking for specifics. Bill responded with animals that others have used. He left out ducks, elephants, horses, chickens, parakeets, parrots and macaws. I think the bottom line is that just about any animal can be used. It's just up to your imagination and common sense. [/quote]

There's a great and funny story about Harry Blackstone (pere) and the DISAPPEARING HORSE! (I wasn't there! George Boston tells about it in his "Inside Magic".)

The horse was led onstage, and, just before he was led into the huge cabinet, the horse did what horses "do", naturally! Someone in the balcony shouted: "OK, Mr magician! Make THAT disappear!" George didn't record what Blackstone said!!!

Circus elephant are "trained" to do "THAT", in the back yard, just before entering the big top for their act. I caught an indoor circus, about 30 years ago in North Dakota. The show was playing in an Armory, on a concrete floor. The young guy, who was the elephant groom, was a "First 'o' May". He had WATERED THE ELEPHANTS (all three of them) BEFORE the show. Just as the act began, one of the "girls" had an "urge". She answered the call of nature! Elephants are social animals! The other two, suddenly had similar "urges"! The circus ring "became" an effective dam!

The performer "working" the act, was ankle deep. Fortunately,the elephant act was the show closer. Following THAT, would have been like TRYING to follow "Garray & Tomio"!!!

I never fed my doves BEFORE the show! (I had a line, if anything "happened" during the act!)
Message: Posted by: Kyoki_Sanitys_Eclipse (Jul 17, 2016 03:08PM)
I wonder if anyone has used bears
Message: Posted by: Dave Scribner (Jul 17, 2016 04:18PM)
[quote]On Jul 17, 2016, Kyoki_Sanitys_Eclipse wrote:
I wonder if anyone has used bears [/quote]

Hey Dick, I'll leave this one up to you. You've been in this business a little longer than I have. I can't believe the question was even asked. Maybe we could start using alligators, whales and sea lions. Maybe if we could catch him, we could use big foot. I think he could be classified as an animal LOL

No offense Kyoki. This just seemed to be way out there.
Message: Posted by: Dick Oslund (Jul 17, 2016 04:39PM)
IIRC!!! Harry Blackstone Senior, once used a BEAR (costume) in the closing "double exchange" illusion, that was usually titled "Who wears the whiskers?" in the printed program.

I saw the show a half dozen times in the '40s, and, sometimes it's hard to remember all of the details.

I know that Mr. B. produced a live GOAT in the '30s. I have a photo from one of the souvenir programs. It was the opening trick. Harry showed a big foulard. (In the picture it must 6' square!) He held it in front of himself, It touched the floor. Then, he whipped it away, and the goat was standing there!

BTW...it was a b-dy load. No! It wasn't an invsbl harness!
Message: Posted by: Rook (Jul 18, 2016 01:27AM)
Hrmnn....just acquired a corn snake and have been pondering ways to humanely include him in the act.
Message: Posted by: Dick Oslund (Jul 18, 2016 04:29AM)
Now you can do the Serpentine Silk, WITHOUT A SILK!
Message: Posted by: Rook (Jul 18, 2016 05:27PM)
[quote]On Jul 18, 2016, Dick Oslund wrote:
Now you can do the Serpentine Silk, WITHOUT A SILK! [/quote]


LOL, I'll have to work that one out!
Message: Posted by: Dick Oslund (Jul 18, 2016 06:21PM)
It would be a REELly good trick!
Message: Posted by: Chad C. (Jul 19, 2016 07:57AM)
[quote]On Jul 18, 2016, Rook wrote:
Hrmnn....just acquired a corn snake and have been pondering ways to humanely include him in the act. [/quote]

I have used snakes in my shows for years. Every one of my kids shows has at least one snake in it. I use both corn snakes and ball pythons as they are the prefect sides for dove pans, circus wagons, duck buckets, etc.

I also use hissing cockroaches, emperor scorpions, tarantulas, and giant millipedes in my programs at various times.

I love them all and they are much easier to travel with than dives and rabbits in my experience.
Message: Posted by: Dick Oslund (Jul 19, 2016 11:33AM)
As a teenager, working in a carnie side show, I did magic, fire eating, and also "lectured on" the big python (about 12 feet). I would have needed a wash tub size dove pan!

I just remembered a magician in California who produced a "handful" of LIVE RATTLESNAKES from a dove pan. He closed the act with that! When the local magic club did a public show, Al always CLOSED THE SHOW. NOBODY could follow him!

His name was Al, and, I can't remember his last name. He was on the cover of GENII in the early '50s. Ha had been one of Jay Marshall's agents, in the NYC area, when Jay was starting out..I met Al when I was playing schools around Bakersfield, California, in the mid '80s. Maybe someone from that area can tell us his name.

I saw him do the dove pan rattlesnake bit in a ring public show. It was a shocker! I think it would have been hilarious to watch him LOADING the FOUR rattlers in the pan!

He invited me to his home to get better acquainted. He had a "den" in his garage, and, we sat there to visit. When I say "den", I mean it! WE were surrounded by cages full of SNAKES! RATTLERS!, a COBRA, a good sized PYTHON, and, of course, a large cage full of mice.

He said that his rattlers often bit him when he did the trick! He was also a herpetologist who did an educational lecture on his "pets". He had performed a 'ductectomy" on the snakes in the dove pan. They "had" no poison. He said that the little beasts would strike, and he would bleed, but their bite was harmless!

That reminds me...Fran Marshall, had a customer, years ago, who used a dove pan to produce snakes. She had a picture, I think it was in one of the KID STUFF BOOKS. The picture shows the guy with dove pan in hand, and a snake.
Message: Posted by: Rook (Jul 19, 2016 04:53PM)
Y'know, I think I have an old beat-up dove pan laying around somewhere. I wonder how comfortable Ember would be in it...
Message: Posted by: Chad C. (Jul 19, 2016 05:12PM)
A large dove pan is perfect for an adult corn snake. I'm using a blizzard corn with dove pan in my show all this summer. Great combination.
Message: Posted by: ssucahyo (Sep 7, 2016 01:37PM)
Iam thinking to bring my snake in my act. It s big 2.5meter long python and she s quite heavy. If you have any ideas for my big snake will be very appreciated.
Thank you very much in advance.
Message: Posted by: Rook (Sep 29, 2016 11:42PM)
I know someone who once used the birthday gift surprise with a ball python. Also, I think Tommy James' Library Rabbit Production would suit a snake nicely.
Message: Posted by: Dick Oslund (Sep 30, 2016 12:39AM)
See above, my post for July 19!

I just remembered! It was the late, AL ROBBINS. Al lived to be almost 100!

This thread has certainly had some "interesting" posts!!!!!
Message: Posted by: hugmagic (Sep 30, 2016 05:39AM)
Al Robbins....is that the same Al Robbins who was the Banana Man?
Message: Posted by: Dick Oslund (Sep 30, 2016 06:31AM)
No, Richard...That was "A" Robbins! I never did know what his first name was! I never saw "A" live. He and Senor Wences were the "show within the show" in a vaudeville 'history' movie, in the late '40s. I think it was, "I Remember Mama". Dan Dailey starred.

Years later, I got some "dubbed" VHS tapes of "It's Magic", a black & white TV show of the early '50s. Many of the top magicians from the New York area, were on this half hour "local" production. --A. Robbins, Roy Benson, Al Flosso, Fred Keating, et al. It was somewhat like a 'two act, vaudeville'!

The '40s movie had both Robbins, and Wences, doing their acts in a hotel room for the children of "Mama", and Dan Dailey. Robbins didn't have his "train"! It wouldn't "fit" in a hotel room! Wences did his little boy routine (the fist puppet, somewhat like Jay's "Lefty". They were both "#7" (next to closing)acts!!!
Message: Posted by: KC Cameron (Apr 18, 2017 04:08PM)
I've used button quail - I don't recommend them.
Message: Posted by: Dougini (Apr 20, 2017 09:43AM)
Back in the late 90's, our radio station had a remote at a car dealership. I had just bought an M-Glass and was going to do the white silk to white mouse trick between on-air breaks. It worked perfectly-except...the white mouse jumped off the table. The women screaming and standing on chairs was CLASSIC! I was told to NEVER do a magic trick at a remote. EVER!

Doug
Message: Posted by: Rook (Apr 20, 2017 03:11PM)
[quote]On Apr 20, 2017, Dougini wrote:
Back in the late 90's, our radio station had a remote at a car dealership. I had just bought an M-Glass and was going to do the white silk to white mouse trick between on-air breaks. It worked perfectly-except...the white mouse jumped off the table. The women screaming and standing on chairs was CLASSIC! I was told to NEVER do a magic trick at a remote. EVER!

Doug [/quote]


The imagery there is hilarious!
...and here I am 8 months later *still* pondering ways to incorporate my corn snake (She's kind of resistant to that dove pan). Hrmn...I already do productions of rabbit, dove, and am working on fish. Perhaps something other than production would be warranted...maybe as a "danger" aspect to one of my escapes...

I'll probably ponder another 8 months...
Message: Posted by: KC Cameron (Apr 20, 2017 03:26PM)
I was doing a stage show.

I was using button quail for my cups routine because of their size and their very short tail. I had 6, for a second reveal. At home, they were ok, a little nervous.

On stage things got bad. When I first put 3 under the cups, they started jumping and the cups would jump around. Then the three I had stashed away started jumping all over . . . and onto the table. I was panicking trying to catch these little birds as they ran out into the crowd.

I was completely humiliated with the crowd laughing at me. Later found out that the crowd thought it was on purpose and it was "the funniest thing they'ed seen".
Message: Posted by: Rook (Apr 20, 2017 03:51PM)
[quote]On Apr 20, 2017, KC Cameron wrote:
I was doing a stage show.

I was using button quail for my cups routine because of their size and their very short tail. I had 6, for a second reveal. At home, they were ok, a little nervous.

On stage things got bad. When I first put 3 under the cups, they started jumping and the cups would jump around. Then the three I had stashed away started jumping all over . . . and onto the table. I was panicking trying to catch these little birds as they ran out into the crowd.

I was completely humiliated with the crowd laughing at me. Later found out that the crowd thought it was on purpose and it was "the funniest thing they'ed seen". [/quote]

Good lord, I am sorry to hear about your experience! That said, I can't help but laugh...
My wife used to raise button quail (she also made the smallest omelets ever!). Those little ones can be very skittish. So glad it got played off as part of the act!
Message: Posted by: Bill Hegbli (Apr 20, 2017 04:02PM)
Really, you just stuff an animal into a strange environment without any pre training. Horrible actions on your part.
Message: Posted by: KC Cameron (Apr 20, 2017 04:26PM)
Who said I didn't do pre-training? I didn't. I said they were fine at home. Maybe it is a reflection on you? Always nice to see someone jump to negative conclusions. Bill, perhaps you should inquire more before you insult someone - it is terribly rude and immature.
Message: Posted by: JCISBACK (May 18, 2017 06:50PM)
Here's an idea. How about a monkey production. Use a mini fire cage.
Message: Posted by: David Bilan (May 20, 2017 08:54PM)
I've seen dogs used and I think Penn and Teller used Madagascar hissing cockroaches for a gig on David Letterman (only use the males in case they get loose).
Message: Posted by: KC Cameron (May 20, 2017 11:04PM)
My competition here uses a monkey production from a fire cage.
Message: Posted by: Rook (May 22, 2017 05:31PM)
[quote]On May 20, 2017, KC Cameron wrote:
My competition here uses a monkey production from a fire cage. [/quote]

Now to see if my wife would let me acquire one! If the whole magic thing goes south for me, I'll just get a crank organ!
...don't think he'd get along with the rabbit, though....or the wife.
Message: Posted by: KC Cameron (May 23, 2017 03:31PM)
It is good in advertising. Not too many have a monkey.
Message: Posted by: Rook (May 23, 2017 03:59PM)
[quote]On May 23, 2017, KC Cameron wrote:
It is good in advertising. Not too many have a monkey. [/quote]

From what I understand of the commitment it entails, there may be good reason for that!
Message: Posted by: Rook (Jun 12, 2017 10:53AM)
I just acquired a used, extremely sturdy large drawer box on Ebay. It was this awful bright yellow with multicolored star stickers all over it, so I removed the stickers, distressed it a bit, and misted it with a bit of brown paint to darken it up a bit. It's still ugly (which actually works for my presentation), but not garish. The thing is built like a tank and works like a dream.

Okay, the animal part: My snake loves this thing. It's easy to load her in, and she settles in and gets comfortable (heck, I'm even using it as a holding area for her while I clean her cage). Now to flesh out the routine and rehearse her a bit more before going in the act!
Message: Posted by: hollywoo (Jul 9, 2017 11:00AM)
Working on this bit where I'm a wannabe superhero who's worked hard and can now manifest, with a great deal of effort, some weaker versions of superpowers (mind-reading, x-ray vision, etc.). Just had this idea of saying, "And now, like Spider-Man..." and conjuring a tarantula.
Message: Posted by: Rook (Jul 9, 2017 11:36PM)
Sounds cool! From what I've heard, however, Tarantulas can be very easy to injure due to their brittle legs, so be careful!
Message: Posted by: Chad C. (Jul 10, 2017 07:22AM)
When I produce my tarantula and scorpion, I keep them each in a clear plastic toothbrush holder - the holes on the end are to small for them to escape but allows plent of airflow also. And they are easily seen when produced. You could also use the clear ornament balls from a craft store which makes a very cool display but be warned - they can and will roll them right of your table if nothing is in their way. Tarantulas are extremely easy to injure if they fall from just a few feet so use caution at all times.

I forget the name of the trick, but I use the silk production used to produce a wine glass - show all three silks separately and then reach into the middle and produce the tarantula and scorpion in their containers. It gets a great reaction.

Hope that helps!

Chad
Message: Posted by: Rook (Jul 10, 2017 10:10AM)
[quote]On Jul 10, 2017, Chad C. wrote:
When I produce my tarantula and scorpion, I keep them each in a clear plastic toothbrush holder - the holes on the end are to small for them to escape but allows plent of airflow also. And they are easily seen when produced. You could also use the clear ornament balls from a craft store which makes a very cool display but be warned - they can and will roll them right of your table if nothing is in their way. Tarantulas are extremely easy to injure if they fall from just a few feet so use caution at all times. [/quote]

Brilliant idea! Thanks!
Now, if only I can get Mrs. Rook on board with having either in the house...
Message: Posted by: Chad C. (Jul 10, 2017 11:34AM)
Get a Rose Hair Tarantula if you want the calmest and easiest to handle. And they are a pretty good size as well. Our female just passed away after almost 30 years.
Message: Posted by: Rook (Jul 10, 2017 03:37PM)
[quote]On Jul 10, 2017, Chad C. wrote:
Get a Rose Hair Tarantula if you want the calmest and easiest to handle. And they are a pretty good size as well. Our female just passed away after almost 30 years. [/quote]

Thanks for the tip!
Message: Posted by: Rook (Jul 10, 2017 03:41PM)
Alas, my corn snake was to make her debut this Thursday, but she appears to be at the early stages of going through a shed. She's a bit skittish when she's shedding, goes off her feed, and doesn't want to be handled. I won't stress her by putting in the show in that condition, so hopefully, she'll be done shedding by then!
Message: Posted by: Rook (Jul 16, 2017 11:18AM)
Update: Ember completed her shed, ate well, and performed her debut appearance (from a previously empty box) to gasps and rapturous applause! Also, Mrs. Rook agreed to a tarantula...provided that she doesn't have to pet it and it remains in my study.
Message: Posted by: Chad C. (Jul 16, 2017 01:42PM)
Excellent news! Congrats on the debut and the new addition!
Message: Posted by: Rook (Jul 16, 2017 07:57PM)
[quote]On Jul 16, 2017, Chad C. wrote:
Excellent news! Congrats on the debut and the new addition! [/quote]

Thanks! Spousal approval is one step. As it turns out, actually acquiring one is another issue altogether (truth be known, I only tried one place I knew to have them...but they were out).
Message: Posted by: kippteacher1 (Jul 23, 2017 01:04PM)
Does anyone use or know of a magician that uses a snake in their show? I've used my ball python (over 5 feet long) in my show for 10+ years. I'm interested in learning how others incorporate them into their acts and what tricks they use for it. Any suggestions would be great! Thanks!
Message: Posted by: Chad C. (Jul 23, 2017 06:34PM)
[quote]On Jul 23, 2017, kippteacher1 wrote:
Does anyone use or know of a magician that uses a snake in their show? I've used my ball python (over 5 feet long) in my show for 10+ years. I'm interested in learning how others incorporate them into their acts and what tricks they use for it. Any suggestions would be great! Thanks! [/quote]


I have used them for my entire career in magic - so around 15 years or so.
Message: Posted by: Rook (Jul 23, 2017 07:21PM)
Yup, I produce a corn snake from a drawer box. Works like a charm and she likes it in there! A friend of mine used to produce his ball python form a rainbow house.
Message: Posted by: Dick Oslund (Jul 23, 2017 09:01PM)
[quote]On Jul 10, 2017, Chad C. wrote:
When I produce my tarantula and scorpion, I keep them each in a clear plastic toothbrush holder - the holes on the end are to small for them to escape but allows plent of airflow also. And they are easily seen when produced. You could also use the clear ornament balls from a craft store which makes a very cool display but be warned - they can and will roll them right of your table if nothing is in their way. Tarantulas are extremely easy to injure if they fall from just a few feet so use caution at all times.

I forget the name of the trick, but I use the silk production used to produce a wine glass - show all three silks separately and then reach into the middle and produce the tarantula and scorpion in their containers. It gets a great reaction.

Hope that helps!

Chad [/quote]

Sounds like "THIS". Bob Sanders will tell you that the concept is hundreds of years old.
Message: Posted by: Rook (Aug 2, 2017 02:59PM)
I've finally obtained a scorpion *and* a tarantula! They are lovely creatures and the wife is not as terrified of them as she thought she'd be (well, maybe the spider).