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Topic: Card splitting
Message: Posted by: Gbhunter77 (Sep 28, 2016 09:47PM)
Hey guys I'm curious if anyone can help me with card spliting and create split cards. What glue to use? Should the middle of the card be kept? The spliting part is simple its putting the pieces back together that causes the issue!
Message: Posted by: Boomer (Sep 28, 2016 10:23PM)
Http://www.penguinmagic.com/p/4416
http://www.penguinmagic.com/p/859

I've got both of these and highly recommend them.

There's also Split Session from Blake Vogt, but I would not waste my time with those.


Dave
Message: Posted by: Poof-Daddy (Sep 28, 2016 11:00PM)
I have been making my own gaffs for many years and I agree that both of those full length DVD's are great starts but the Blake Vogt downloads are a couple of the best I have seen when it comes to "splitting" I just wish he would have done a full length DVD.

Glue is a matter of preference and playing around till you see what works best for you and for what you are making. Rubber Cement is most common, stick glues work and DMT when you want to really go all in as far as cost and skills. (Best bet is to play with some for a while but buy a few from some of the full time gaffers on here if you need one now (that is in working / almost fully examinable condition)
Message: Posted by: Gbhunter77 (Sep 29, 2016 11:31PM)
DMT?
Message: Posted by: Poof-Daddy (Sep 30, 2016 12:31AM)
Dry mount tissue. You need certain brand and type. (People use it in scrap booking too) it is a paper adhesive that you put between the layers of your gaff and iron it together. It is not easy by any means but it gives you a crisper finished product. There is a really good book to check out before you get into all of this
http://www.lybrary.com/the-gaff-factory-a-comprehensive-drymounting-tutorial-p-750.html

And

http://www.lybrary.com/magicians-diy-tips-and-tricks-p-135831.html

With a little digging around on the site, he also has a bunch of free ideas on self gagging and making / cutting your own cards even. This is the site that got me started.
Message: Posted by: Gbhunter77 (Sep 30, 2016 06:40AM)
Sweet! Thank you!
Message: Posted by: Poof-Daddy (Sep 30, 2016 08:25AM)
[quote]On Sep 30, 2016, Poof-Daddy wrote:
With a little digging around on the site, he also has a bunch of free ideas on self [b]gagging[/b] and making / cutting your own cards even. This is the site that got me started. [/quote]

LOL that is "Gaffing" as in card gaffs not "gagging" as in new weight loss for magicians :-)
Message: Posted by: LoganPorterMagic (Oct 5, 2016 05:40PM)
Poof-Daddy thanks for the useful info!
Message: Posted by: Gbhunter77 (Oct 5, 2016 05:45PM)
Yes indeed. I just got my Art of Card Spliting DVD in the mail.
Message: Posted by: Russ Martin (Oct 8, 2016 11:41PM)
[quote]On Sep 28, 2016, Boomer wrote:
Http://www.penguinmagic.com/p/4416
http://www.penguinmagic.com/p/859

I've got both of these and highly recommend them.

. . .


Dave [/quote]

I have both of them, also, and likewise recommend them. There are enough differences that having both is worthwhile. The Gary Plants download is so inexpensive, it's almost silly not to add it to your collection.

I'm still learning, but I don't always have "the touch".

Meanwhile, if I need something special, and need to know that it will be an excellent product, I have Marty Grams ("Martini") make it up. For $2 a card, his work is a bargain! Go to http://www.martinismagic.com/Products.html and scroll down to "Hand Made Custom Cards".
Message: Posted by: Gbhunter77 (Oct 9, 2016 03:45AM)
That is a great web site! Thank you very much.
Message: Posted by: spiltrap (Oct 17, 2016 11:41PM)
As stated by Boomer, get

Http://www.penguinmagic.com/p/4416
http://www.penguinmagic.com/p/859

In addition, look into

http://www.lybrary.com/the-gaff-factory-a-comprehensive-drymounting-tutorial-p-750.html

That should be all you need.
Message: Posted by: JassTan (Nov 9, 2016 11:00PM)
[quote]On Sep 28, 2016, Boomer wrote:
Http://www.penguinmagic.com/p/4416
http://www.penguinmagic.com/p/859

I've got both of these and highly recommend them.

There's also Split Session from Blake Vogt, but I would not waste my time with those.


Dave [/quote]


I had the ones from theory 11, it works for me, maybe I should check out your recommendation as well.
Message: Posted by: alchemy92 (Dec 2, 2020 11:04AM)
Does anyone know someone who can split cards in bulk, need around 100 for an effect I am working on.
Message: Posted by: Eldini (Dec 16, 2020 09:28PM)
Not too hard to learn card splitting, may take a deck or two of fails. Once you get hang of it, it goes fast. I recommend the Gaff Factory book from Lybrary.com (linked above) but there are a bunch of tutorials.
Message: Posted by: Eoin OHare (Dec 17, 2020 05:01PM)
[quote]On Dec 2, 2020, alchemy92 wrote:
Does anyone know someone who can split cards in bulk, need around 100 for an effect I am working on. [/quote]

I recommend the Card Splitter Jig!!

https://www.theperfectshuffle.com/Card-Splitter-Jig/
Message: Posted by: Magiguy (Dec 17, 2020 06:11PM)
I'll second that! Eoin's splitter has saved me so much time and effort. Grab one of his card snakers while your at it.
Message: Posted by: docguitarman (Feb 24, 2021 11:50AM)
I have a question on gluing that wasn't addressed on Marty Grams DVD. I want to create double backers from the advert cards in many decks. I've split the thin back off of one ad card and am planning to just glue it to the face of another ad card that has <b>not been split</b>. If I align the cards as in Marty's DVD and assuming that I flip the split layer onto the normal card will the alignment still be perfect? I'm worried about the thickness discrepancy. On the DVD Marty is gluing split cards to split cards.

Hope my question makes sense!
TIA
Phil
Message: Posted by: TerryAdy (Mar 7, 2021 08:37PM)
Hey guys!!!

This is actually my area of expertise, I've built gaffs and gimmicks for large companies in bulk since 2015.
I run a patreon that I simply Haven't shared information on, due to lack of followers.
I have a lot of techniques that I've personally developed to save money on all of the expensive tools on the market but still offer precision techniques.

Regarding the glue question above, what you're talking about doing you're gonna probably run into more of a "see through" issue rather than a thickness issue in that specific situation. If you want to try to change the thickness, I'd suggest doing a thin split and a the same layer of the second card, simply remove the thin layer of what you're gluing too, make sure you sand the layer slightly on both the thin and thick and then apply them evenly.

If you try to use a full card without splitting it....still sand it down a bit if you're not worried about the "see through" factor and that should help with the thickness factor as well.

Hope that helps a little.
Message: Posted by: docguitarman (Mar 7, 2021 09:16PM)
Thanks for the advice Terry. I'll remove the face of the other ad card then! My successful splits now amount to about 5! I was a little bit scared to split the face of the other ad card -- if I ruin it then I would be out of ad cards for that deck.

Phil
Message: Posted by: docguitarman (Mar 14, 2021 03:49PM)
Update on my adventure.

I've had the Marty Grams Card splitting DVD for a while and finally got around to my first test of gluing the cards back together.
I took Terry Adys advice and also watch the DVD again and it does appear that a card with the core is glued to a single ply.

I built the "squaring board" to align the cards. Split an ad card and glued it back together... a 2 ply on a 1 ply. It worked as demoed in the DVD.

The only blemish is a few slight wrinkles on one of the faces -- noticeable when looked at closely. This may have come from the splitting or perhaps a little too much rubber cement. None of this would be noticeable to a spectator. One other thing is that the final card seemed to be a little bit thinner than the original.
Message: Posted by: Poof-Daddy (Mar 19, 2021 02:43PM)
[quote]On Mar 14, 2021,
The only blemish is a few slight wrinkles on one of the faces -- noticeable when looked at closely. This may have come from the splitting or perhaps a little too much rubber cement. None of this would be noticeable to a spectator. One other thing is that the final card seemed to be a little bit thinner than the original. [/quote]
It is likely from splitting. As you get better at splitting, you will split “faster” with no stops / hesitation and there will be no wrinkles. I first learned that on the Blake Vogt splitting downloads.
Message: Posted by: docguitarman (Mar 19, 2021 02:56PM)
[quote]On Mar 19, 2021, Poof-Daddy wrote:
[quote]On Mar 14, 2021,
The only blemish is a few slight wrinkles on one of the faces -- noticeable when looked at closely. This may have come from the splitting or perhaps a little too much rubber cement. None of this would be noticeable to a spectator. One other thing is that the final card seemed to be a little bit thinner than the original. [/quote]
It is likely from splitting. As you get better at splitting, you will split “faster” with no stops / hesitation and there will be no wrinkles. I first learned that on the Blake Vogt splitting downloads. [/quote]
Thanks Poof-Daddy,
I'll split a few more ad cards then before embarking on splitting actual cards. I've got a few new fan back ad cards from the Bicycle canasta game pack (and Studs also) that are waiting to be made into double backers!
Phil