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Topic: Yes No Irrelevant - a game of lateral thinking.
Message: Posted by: Caleb Strange (Mar 25, 2004 12:50PM)
I'm sure most of us have played the lateral thinking game where we start with the tiniest fragment of a situation, and then, by asking questions, we slowly discover the details of the (usually) interesting story behind it. Yes? Okay then:

'Two old friends met in a bar...'

Regards,

Caleb Strange.

P.S. I'll endeavour to answer as promptly as I can, so that this doesn't drag on for months :).
Message: Posted by: Reis O'Brien (Mar 25, 2004 12:53PM)
"... and one of them had a railroad spike stuck in his forehead."
Message: Posted by: Caleb Strange (Mar 25, 2004 12:54PM)
No.
Message: Posted by: MisterE21 (Mar 25, 2004 01:01PM)
Did they meet to celebrate something?
Message: Posted by: Caleb Strange (Mar 25, 2004 01:04PM)
Celebrate? No.
Message: Posted by: Jonathan Townsend (Mar 25, 2004 01:33PM)
Quakers?

Same Age?
Message: Posted by: Caleb Strange (Mar 25, 2004 01:48PM)
Quakers? Irrelevant.
Same age? Irrelevant.
Message: Posted by: MisterE21 (Mar 25, 2004 03:17PM)
Heheheh...are they magicians?

Did they arrange to meet each other there?
Message: Posted by: Beetroot (Mar 25, 2004 03:33PM)
Was the bar their first meeting?
Message: Posted by: Caleb Strange (Mar 25, 2004 03:34PM)
Magicians? Irrelevant.
Arranged to meet? Yes.
Was the bar their first meeting? No.
Message: Posted by: Mya Angel (Mar 25, 2004 03:48PM)
To reminisce?
Message: Posted by: MisterE21 (Mar 25, 2004 03:55PM)
Does the bar mean something special to them?
Message: Posted by: Roy McIlwee (Mar 25, 2004 04:47PM)
Did they meet at the bar again to discuss results?
Message: Posted by: Caleb Strange (Mar 25, 2004 04:57PM)
To reminisce? No.
Does the bar mean something special to them? No.
Meeting at the bar to discuss results? No.
Message: Posted by: Roy McIlwee (Mar 25, 2004 06:26PM)
Was some material exchanged at this meeting?
Message: Posted by: blindbo (Mar 25, 2004 08:52PM)
First meeting in over 20 years?
Message: Posted by: magicgeorge (Mar 25, 2004 09:01PM)
Where they both male?
Did something strange happen to them while they where in the bar?
Message: Posted by: MisterE21 (Mar 26, 2004 12:52AM)
Did they drink at the bar?
Message: Posted by: El_Lamo (Mar 26, 2004 10:30AM)
Is the bar a drinking establishment?

Did the meeting occur in the recent past (last two weeks) ?
Message: Posted by: Caleb Strange (Mar 26, 2004 12:48PM)
Roy, what do you mean by material?
First meeting in over 20 years? No.
Both male? Yes, but not particularly relevant.
Something strange does happen while they are in the bar.
Did they drink? Yes.
Yes, the bar is a drinking establishment.
The meeting could have occurred in the recent past, but not paticularly relevant.
Message: Posted by: Roy McIlwee (Mar 26, 2004 03:26PM)
Caleb, By material, I mean was anything bought or sold by either of these guys to the other. Thank you, Roy McIlwee.

Does the strange thing that happens to them in the bar have anything to do with animals, ghosts or the bartender?
Message: Posted by: Caleb Strange (Mar 26, 2004 03:37PM)
Roy, nothing is bought or sold.
Nothing to do with animals or bartenders.
Yes, the strange thing is kind of something to do with ghosts.
Message: Posted by: Roy McIlwee (Mar 26, 2004 04:27PM)
Caleb, Do any seances take place in this soon to be unraveled puzzle? Also, is there any gambling taking place in the bar? Roy McIlwee.
Message: Posted by: MisterE21 (Mar 26, 2004 07:39PM)
Did anyone die in this particular establishment.
Message: Posted by: Reis O'Brien (Mar 26, 2004 09:35PM)
Are they parapsychologists?
Message: Posted by: Caleb Strange (Mar 27, 2004 06:08AM)
Seances? No.
Gambling? Irrelevant.
Anyone die there? No.
Are they parapsychologists? No.
Message: Posted by: El_Lamo (Mar 27, 2004 08:00AM)
Do they each have one drink?
Message: Posted by: Caleb Strange (Mar 27, 2004 10:24AM)
They each have several drinks, but this is irrelevant.
Message: Posted by: Mya Angel (Mar 27, 2004 10:49AM)
Are they mentalists?
Message: Posted by: Roy McIlwee (Mar 27, 2004 11:13AM)
Do they meet up with an old buddy or someone from their past?
Does something happen upstairs at this bar?
Does all the story take place inside the bar or do they travel to a new location?
Message: Posted by: El_Lamo (Mar 27, 2004 12:56PM)
Does one of them have a towel?

Cheers - El Lamo

If so, the answer is 42
Message: Posted by: Caleb Strange (Mar 27, 2004 02:30PM)
Mentalists? Irrelevant.
The two old friends just meet up with each other.
Nothing of relevance happens upstairs.
All the story happens in this bar.
No towel :).
Message: Posted by: Roy McIlwee (Mar 27, 2004 02:46PM)
Do other patrons of this bar make up part of the story?
Is it basically a ghost story?
Do these old friends come up with some sort of plan or scheme?
Message: Posted by: Mya Angel (Mar 27, 2004 03:01PM)
Well so far it reminds me of the movie ghost story. :lol:
Message: Posted by: Roy McIlwee (Mar 27, 2004 04:30PM)
If these guys had to do it all over again, would they still go to the bar that day?
Does weather play a role in the story as in lightning bolts or flash flooding?
Did the whole thing take place in less than one day?
Message: Posted by: Caleb Strange (Mar 27, 2004 04:50PM)
The other people in the bar are irrelevant.
It is a bit more complicated than a basic ghost story.
One of the friends has a plan.
Mya, not familiar with that movie, so for all I know, this could be plagiarism :).
The weather plays no role in the events.
Did the whole thing take place in less than one day? No.

And Roy asked:

'If these guys had to do it all over again, would they still go to the bar that day?'

Oh yes, and now we're getting somewhere.
Message: Posted by: Roy McIlwee (Mar 27, 2004 05:18PM)
Did this meeting result in some kind of financial gain?
Is there some sort of magical spirit involved in the story as in a magic leprechaun or genii?
Message: Posted by: Caleb Strange (Mar 27, 2004 05:21PM)
No financial gain.
No magical leprechauns or djinn.
Message: Posted by: El_Lamo (Mar 27, 2004 06:34PM)
Brief noncommercial interlude:

There is an anecdote about three war veterans. They agree to stop into a bar every year and have a drink for each other.

Each year, the fellow goes into the bar, orders three drinks, one for each of his comrades who live elsewhere and one for himself. He drinks to their health.

This year, he only orders two drinks. As he finishes the second ale, the barkeep asks, "did one of your friend's pass away?"

"No, The Dr. told me to stop drinking.!"


Now back to yes or no...

Is the ghost apparant (yes or no)
or implied? (yes or no)
Message: Posted by: Roy McIlwee (Mar 27, 2004 07:20PM)
Were these guys war buddies?
Does this have anything to do with organ donating?
Does the granting of wishes have a part in this story?

(Another noncommercial interlude: Two termites walk into a bar and ask, "Is the bartender here?".
Message: Posted by: JJDrew (Mar 28, 2004 02:18AM)
Did they agree to meet at a certain time if one should die to tell the survivor what happens when you die?
Message: Posted by: Caleb Strange (Mar 28, 2004 08:16AM)
Not quite a ghost in the story, but things post mortem.
War buddies? Irrelevant.
Organ donating? No.
Granting wishes? No.

JJDrew asked:

'Did they agree to meet at a certain time if one should die to tell the survivor what happens when you die?'

They made no such agreement, but that's not to say that's not what's happening. Getting warm.
Message: Posted by: hackmonkey (Mar 28, 2004 09:14AM)
Do these guys meet up regulary?
If so is one of them a ghost and one of them alive and neither of them realise it?
Message: Posted by: El_Lamo (Mar 28, 2004 10:03AM)
Caleb, I see from rereading that you did answer my apparent question. Sorry!

Next question:

Do others witness the event?
Message: Posted by: jonesc2ii (Mar 28, 2004 10:11AM)
Is there a time shift involved?
Message: Posted by: Roy McIlwee (Mar 28, 2004 10:30AM)
Caleb, Does reincarnation play a part in this story? Is some information being exchanged between these two buddies? Are both men alive at the beginning of this story? Are both guys dead at the end? At any point is one man dead and the other alive? Is there an angel in this story? Thank you, Roy McIlwee
Message: Posted by: Jonathan Townsend (Mar 28, 2004 11:16AM)
Did one of the friends come to acquire something from the other?

Are they there to meet someone?
Message: Posted by: Mya Angel (Mar 28, 2004 11:43AM)
Are there any more friends coming to join them or is it going to be just the two of them?
Message: Posted by: Beetroot (Mar 28, 2004 12:00PM)
Jonesc2ii beat me to it. I'm thinking time-shift too.
Message: Posted by: Ellen Kotzin (Mar 28, 2004 12:16PM)
They are both ghosts?
Or I like the reincarnation of the same guy but meeting up with his future/past self.

Ellen
Message: Posted by: Caleb Strange (Mar 28, 2004 12:16PM)
Do these guys meet up regulary? Yes, though that doesn't mean to say that both of them know that.

If so is one of them a ghost and one of them alive and neither of them realise it?
Both of them are in the same state - to save you asking the question, both of them are dead. Only one of them realises this fact.

Do others witness the event? Irrelevant.
Is there a time shift involved? Not as such - the story is more about perception and awareness.

Does reincarnation play a part in this story?
Both guys are dead.
Is some information being exchanged between these two buddies? Yes - superficially speaking. Also one of the guys is trying to pass on imformation that the other isn't yet receiving.
Are both men alive at the beginning of this story? Are both guys dead at the end? At any point is one man dead and the other alive? Is there an angel in this story?
Both guys dead throughout. No angel.
Did one of the friends come to acquire something from the other?
No.
Are they there to meet someone? No.
Are there any more friends coming to join them or is it going to be just the two of them?
Just the two of them.
Ellen, meeting up with a different time-self? Great idea (wish I'd thought of it!), but these two guys are both different people.
Message: Posted by: magicgeorge (Mar 28, 2004 01:51PM)
Was it a joint wake?
Message: Posted by: Roy McIlwee (Mar 28, 2004 02:08PM)
Are either or both of these men in a casket?
Is either one of these guys dreaming?
At any time during this story does an ambulance or hease arrive on the scene?
From start to finish does this story take longer than a week? Thank you, Roy McIlwee, Scranton, Penna.

Do life support systems or the displaying of mummies have anything to do with the story?
Message: Posted by: Caleb Strange (Mar 28, 2004 03:09PM)
Not a wake.
Neither in a casket - this is a kind of life-after-death situation.
No ambulance or hearse involved here.
Very difficult say whether one of these guys is dreaming, as the two men are perceiving what's happening very differently.
Similarly, for one of these friends this story lasts an evening. But not for the other...

No life-supprort systems or mummies either.
Message: Posted by: blindbo (Mar 28, 2004 07:25PM)
Ok, so one is dead and knows it.
The other is dead and doesn't know it.
The latter is reliving the bar scene over and over and each time gets a little closer to the truth (ala Ground Hog Day?).

Am I warmer?

If not, does one turn to the bartender and say "A *** penguin car, alright?" <<==Those who know will get it.
Message: Posted by: MisterE21 (Mar 28, 2004 09:51PM)
Is the friend who realizes they are dead attempting to tell the other friend that they are dead?

(hope that's not as confusing a question to you as it is to me...and I wrote the %*#(@ thing...

E
Message: Posted by: x-treem (Mar 29, 2004 04:43AM)
So the place is an old AND a new haunt for both of them.

[i]Snickering like an idiot who was too tired to read the whole thread.[/i]
Message: Posted by: abc (Mar 29, 2004 08:54AM)
For who does the story last only one evening. The guy trying to tell the other one something or the other way around.
Are both of them represented and presented in human form or could one be like a Jack Daniels?
Message: Posted by: Roy McIlwee (Mar 29, 2004 06:28PM)
Did both these guys die at the same time?
Do either of them come back to life?
Are they Siamese twins?
Does one enter the bar already dead?
Thank you, Roy McIlwee, Scranton, Penna.
Message: Posted by: Caleb Strange (Mar 31, 2004 01:01PM)
Sorry I haven't answered your questions - phone lines are down by the 100,000's in my area. Just a quick message on a borrowed computer to say I will get back to this as soon as I'm back online.

Caleb Strange.
Message: Posted by: Caleb Strange (Apr 1, 2004 01:11PM)
Yes, both are dead, but only one realises this.

Yes, the guy who's not aware of his condition, is reliving the bar scene over and over - whether he is slowly coming to awareness is debatable.

Yes, the friend who realises he's dead is trying to help his old friend realise his condition - i.e. that both of them are dead, and that the unaware guy is stuck in a fond memory, looping over and over. You may want to think about what the aware friend is doing to help his friend come to awareness...

Abc, both of them are in human form. For the 'unaware' guy, the evening just seems to play once - he is unaware of the situation looping. The 'aware' guy, however, remembers that the pair of them have sat in this post mortem bar many, many times.

Roy, both men did not die at the same time - this is kind of irrelevant, though actually, the 'aware' guy died first.
Neither of them come back to life.
They're not co-joined twins - but what a staggering idea for a story!
Both friends are dead throughout the story.
Message: Posted by: Danny Diamond (Apr 1, 2004 01:48PM)
Is the aware guy trying to do things such as, predicting occurances that will unfold throughout the night within the bar, as a way to show the unaware guy that they have been there before, and that he is dead?
Message: Posted by: alekz (Apr 1, 2004 02:56PM)
Do they have to do some task to finally die? Like if they will not solve that task, they are doomed to live as ghosts and be stuck in the same day over and over?

And, will the unaware also be stuck in that day? (Did he die "today"?)
Message: Posted by: zombieboy (Apr 1, 2004 03:33PM)
Does the unaware guy eventually realize that he is dead?
Message: Posted by: Caleb Strange (Apr 1, 2004 04:31PM)
Danny,

The aware guy is not making predictions as such, but you're on the right track...

Alekz,

They don't have a task to do - the aware guy is free to leave anytime he wants. He stays and does what he's doing simply to help his friend. As for the unaware guy, he will be stuck in this memory-loop ad infinitum unless his friend can steer him towards awareness. The unaware guy died more recently than his friend, but a few years ago, rather than hours or days.

Zombieboy,

In the story I have in front of me, I didn't project that far; let's hope that one day, the unaware guy realises his condition.

I suppose the main thing to think about (Danny Diamond was pretty close) is what is the aware guy DOING to help his friend?
Message: Posted by: Roy McIlwee (Apr 1, 2004 04:56PM)
Caleb, Does the guy who realizes he is dead ever explain to the other guy that the things that are happening to them could not be possible unless they were both actually dead? Roy McIlwee, Scranton, Penna.
Message: Posted by: Caleb Strange (Apr 1, 2004 05:20PM)
Roy,

No, the aware guy cannot directly tell his friend - this is something that his friend must come to understand himself. However, that's not to say that the 'aware' guy is doing nothing...
Message: Posted by: Danny Diamond (Apr 1, 2004 08:20PM)
Is the aware trying to make the unaware realize he is dead through verbal or physical means? Does his method of conveying the message have to do with other people in the bar?
Message: Posted by: alekz (Apr 1, 2004 11:17PM)
Did the aware guy organize the meeting with the intention of "enlightening" the unaware?

Have to go to school now.. no.. just.. five more minutes.. no.. AAH!
Man, this one is addicting ;)
Message: Posted by: Muggy (Apr 2, 2004 01:52AM)
The aware guy, is trying to enlighten his friend and has been for years, therefore is what he's doing unique to this occasion, or is he trying something different every time and it is this particular time that were trying to figure out?

Is he shouting "Your dead!"

Is he floating his beer.

Is what he's doing the reason teh guy remembers this day over and over in the first place?

This is weird
Message: Posted by: Caleb Strange (Apr 2, 2004 11:59AM)
Is the aware trying to make the unaware realize he is dead through verbal or physical means? Verbal.

Does his method of conveying the message have to do with other people in the bar? No.

Did the aware guy organize the meeting with the intention of "enlightening" the unaware? No. This is the unaware guy's memory-loop - the aware guy has projected himself into the memory so as to communicate with his friend.

Is what he's doing unique to this occasion? No. The aware guy takes the same approach every time.

Is he shouting "Your dead!" LOL. No. That wouldn't work.

Is he floating his beer. No.

Is what he's doing the reason teh guy remembers this day over and over in the first place? No. Kind of the opposite to this. The reason the aware guy does what he does is because of what the unaware guy remembers.
Message: Posted by: Roy McIlwee (Apr 2, 2004 12:11PM)
Caleb, When the unaware becomes aware of his death, is it due to something that the aware tells him and if it is, is that something they had discussed prior to both of their deaths?
Is there a murder in this story.
Is there a riddle or puzzle of some kind that is trying to be solved here?
Is there some sort of language barrier here?
Are both guys located near to each other?
Thank you, Roy McIlwee, scranton, Penna.
Message: Posted by: Caleb Strange (Apr 2, 2004 01:39PM)
When the unaware becomes aware of his death, is it due to something that the aware tells him..? The unaware one doesn't, to the best of my knowledge, become 'aware' in this story. But if he did, his friend's prompting would have nudged him along the way.

...is that something they had discussed prior to both of their deaths? What the pair of them do/talk about IS an experience that they used to share prior to death. The unaware guy is trapped in his fond memory of this regular occurence, perhaps (though this is a moot point) because he was happiest there in life. As for the aware guy, what he does is tailored precisely to the situation.

Is there a murder in this story? No.

Is there a riddle or puzzle of some kind that is trying to be solved here? Oh YES!

Is there some sort of language barrier here? Not as such.

Are both guys located near to each other? Yes. Sitting next to each other, by the bar.
Message: Posted by: Danny Diamond (Apr 2, 2004 02:37PM)
Is there aware guy answering his friends questions before he asks them?
Message: Posted by: Bong780 (Apr 2, 2004 02:49PM)
Is the 2 guys die because of the same reason? They're not die at the same time right?
Message: Posted by: Roy McIlwee (Apr 2, 2004 04:31PM)
Are there questions and answers being exchanged between these two guys?
Are any photographs or doctrines of any kind being displayed to the men?
Is this bar located in heaven or any other possible post mortem locale?
Is the guy who knows he is dead trying to convince the other guy that he too is dead and is he trying to convince him by having him solve some sort of puzzle that if solved, he would be convinced that he was dead?
Does the guy who is unaware that he is dead ever find out that he is dead? Does he find out that he is dead by something that his buddy has given to him or has told him?
Is the guy that is aware that he is dead trying to prove to the guy that is unaware that he is dead that he would come back to the bar someday and prove the unaware guys death to him? Thank you, Roy McIlwee.
Message: Posted by: zombieboy (Apr 2, 2004 05:54PM)
Is one of them the grim reaper?
Message: Posted by: Ollie1235 (Apr 3, 2004 08:29AM)
Can you tell me where you got the story from ?
(i was purely wondering)
Message: Posted by: Caleb Strange (Apr 3, 2004 10:10AM)
Is there aware guy answering his friends questions before he asks them? No. He answers each question once it has been asked.

Is the 2 guys die because of the same reason? They're not die at the same time right? No to both of these, but they're not particularly relevant.

Are there questions and answers being exchanged between these two guys? Yes. The unaware guy asks questions; the aware guy answers them.

Are any photographs or doctrines of any kind being displayed to the men? No.

Is this bar located in heaven or any other possible post mortem locale? The bar is (probably) in the mind of the unaware guy. What happens else happens after death, I wouldn't like to say :). Maybe it's some kind of limbo or waystation.

Is the guy who knows he is dead trying to convince the other guy that he too is dead..? Yes.
...and is he trying to convince him by having him solve some sort of puzzle..? Yes!
...that if solved, he would be convinced that he was dead? Well, even if the unaware guy solved the puzzle, he wouldn't necessarily realise he's dead - but it's his best chance, at the moment.

Does the guy who is unaware that he is dead ever find out that he is dead? Not in this playing of the memory-loop. Maybe one day he'll realise his condition.

Does he find out that he is dead by something that his buddy has given to him or has told him? He would find out through mainly verbal means.

Is the guy that is aware that he is dead trying to prove to the guy that is unaware that he is dead that he would come back to the bar someday and prove the unaware guys death to him? Not as such, but the aware guy's method and prompting is precisely tailored to the situation (the bar, what they're doing etc.).

Is one of them the grim reaper? No. A couple of ordinary dead humans.

Can you tell me where you got the story from ?
Ollie 1235, I'd be delighted: this story is one of 'mine', though it follows an old pattern.

We're getting very close now, I feel. Just one significant detail remains.
Message: Posted by: Xia (Apr 3, 2004 11:00AM)
Is the answer to this riddle in the next thread??
Message: Posted by: Muggy (Apr 3, 2004 11:19AM)
The aware guy is answering his unaware friends questions about a lateral puzzle, that doesn't even have a question, but just starts "there are two guys who meet in a bar....", he hopes this puzzle will help him realise he is dead and that the puzzle is what he is going through.


If this isn't the answer it should be.
Message: Posted by: Roy McIlwee (Apr 3, 2004 12:00PM)
Do the questions being asked pertain to their lives before their deaths?
Do the questions being asked pertain to their lives after their deaths?
Message: Posted by: Caleb Strange (Apr 3, 2004 04:24PM)
Muggy wrote:

'The aware guy is answering his unaware friends questions about a lateral puzzle, that doesn't even have a question, but just starts "there are two guys who meet in a bar....", he hopes this puzzle will help him realise he is dead and that the puzzle is what he is going through.'


THAT'S IT :)! Pretty much the last piece of the puzzle. Well done everyone! Here's the whole story:


Two old friends met in a bar, and both of them were dead. Yet only one of them realised this; the other, as is so often the case with the dead, did not.

Now the unaware guy was trapped in a murky twilight state - a scratchy, deteriorating loop of a fond, but now incomplete memory. And so deluded was he, that he had not only forgotten that his good friend had died twenty years previously, but he had also managed to put aside the painful details of his own, more recent passing. All he could remember, all he would let himself remember, was this bar: this place where he had been happy - so many Friday nights spent drinking with his buddy, and playing these darn intriguing lateral thinking games.

Now, the aware guy, saddened by his friend's amnaesiac condition, had woven himself into his friend's delusion - at no small risk to himself, I might add. For he had a plan, and the plan was this: he would tell (indeed, had already told a thousand times) a story, the details of which reflected very closely to his friend's desperate condition. And his hope, his prayer, was that one day his friend would come to recognise himself described there in the story, and finally come to understand his dreadful plight. (The Afghans call this 'Talking to the wall, so that the door can hear'.)

And so, with great cunning, the aware guy fashioned a container for this story - one he felt could best communicate this essential truth, and one very familiar to them both. He would tell the story in the form of a lateral thinking puzzle, so as to let the details be teased out slowly. (Truth, after all, can only ever be tasted, never told.) And so, into his friend's memory he went, for the thousand and first time, and the game began again.

So there he is in the bar, sitting down on his stool, next to his friend. There is Bobby Darin on the jukebox, and a swirl of froth in his glass, like a question mark. He drains the last of his beer, and with a fox's smile he says:

'Two old friends met in a bar...'



I hope you enjoyed this game. I had originally planned to post the story in the Bizarre forum, but I figured that it would be best told in this (experimental) form. Of course, some of the story's details are incidental - locating these strange events in a bar, for instance.

I suppose I could've just as easily set this story in a Café...

Regards,

Caleb Strange.
Message: Posted by: Roy McIlwee (Apr 3, 2004 05:10PM)
Caleb, Great lateral thinking story!! I really enjoyed the game. If you start another one, count me in. Roy McIlwee.
Message: Posted by: Caleb Strange (Apr 4, 2004 03:45AM)
Roy,

Great to hear you enjoyed it :).

Regards,

Caleb Strange.
Message: Posted by: alekz (Apr 4, 2004 04:28AM)
ARH! Am I dead now? :)
No, honestly. Great one. I enjoyed it :)
Message: Posted by: Caleb Strange (Apr 4, 2004 12:15PM)
Alekz,

That's great to hear!

Regards,

Caleb Strange.
Message: Posted by: Andini (Apr 4, 2004 05:55PM)
Wait Wait! I've got it! I've solved the puzzle:

Two old friends met in a bar, and both of them were dead...

8^D

I actually really enjoyed this. I never participated (I'm just a happy lurker!) but I've been following the story over the past week or whatever it's been.

Ugh...my brain hurts.
Message: Posted by: Caleb Strange (Apr 4, 2004 06:27PM)
Andini,

'Brain-pain' was one of the reasons that I decided to try and tell the story in this format. When I tried to describe the story originally, I kept finding myself falling into the trap that lurks here - that darn enticing, infinitely repeating loop.

Having the puzzle actually solved made things so much more simple - well for me, at least.

Regards,

Caleb Strange.