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Topic: Sound editing
Message: Posted by: magicgraham (Mar 25, 2004 01:04PM)
Hi Guys and Gals

I am newish to this site so not sure if this has been asked and then answered before but I am looking for advice on a program I can use on my desktop to edit music. What I need to do is shorten music so it sounds profesional, add to music and add like kicker sound effects.

ANY SUGGESTIONS

Thanks
Message: Posted by: Kevin Ridgeway (Mar 25, 2004 02:12PM)
A lot of people use and like Acid to edit with, loop and create their own music from scratch with available sound bytes.
Personally we use Cool Edit Pro, which was bought by Adobe and now goes by the name Adobe Pro. It is 128 tracks of digital recording. It is very easy to use to make loops, edit, and especially mix songs together. The filters and noise cancelling are great tools to work with especially if you do have any voice over work to go with your music or video. It makes it very easy to take out unwanted sounds, hiss, pops, etc right out of the track. You can sample a sound you don't like, make a filter based on that sound and apply that filter to the whole track and remove the noise.

Hope that helps.
Message: Posted by: Totof (Mar 26, 2004 03:12AM)
A lot of people use Sony Sound Forge (see http://mediasoftware.sonypictures.com).
It's easy to use and has many features.
You may find a trial version somewhere.
See ya
Message: Posted by: tommy k (Mar 28, 2004 11:39PM)
If money is a concern, Music Creator 2003 by Cakewalk is not a bad program for the price. It is not as easy to navigate as the Acid and Sound Forge products but with a little work it will do most (if not all) of what you need to do.
Message: Posted by: Clayton Cavaness (May 8, 2004 04:06PM)
Adobe Audition is what I use. I think it used to be Cool Edit pro. You can download a trial version at:

http://www.adobe.com/products/audition/main.html
Message: Posted by: Mercury52 (May 9, 2004 08:47AM)
If you're an Apple user there's Logic, GarageBand, and Soundtrack.

Kevin
Message: Posted by: Chris Toomey (May 9, 2004 04:08PM)
Audacity is a simple alternative. http://audacity.sourceforge.net/
Pretty easy to use and has a free trial period.

Chris
Message: Posted by: x-treem (May 10, 2004 03:33AM)
I use ripeditburn by [url=http://www.blazeaudio.com]Blaze Audio[/url] again a free trial period and quite inexpensive for the great ability it has.
Message: Posted by: Joe Mansfield (May 10, 2004 01:31PM)
Cool Edit is definitely the way to go. It's very easy to use and you can actually "see" where you cut and mix your music.
Message: Posted by: justforeffect (May 10, 2004 02:55PM)
Audacity is totally free and that is what I would recommend if you want to get it for free.

It is very easy to use and has several great features, though it doesn't like more than a few multiple tracks. Personally I use Adobe Audition (previously Cool Edit Pro) as this has all the features you wil need, it is however very pricey.
Message: Posted by: RobertBloor (May 10, 2004 09:04PM)
CAUTION ON AUDACITY

I downloaded it not long ago and it came with tons of adware and spyware.

I'd go with Adobe Audition.

Robert Bloor
Message: Posted by: James Fortune (May 11, 2004 03:05PM)
I'm for Cool Edit Pro (or whatever it's called now).

I've used it for years and wouldn't be without it.
Message: Posted by: Rob Johnston (May 11, 2004 03:12PM)
Cool Edit Pro is great.

Acid is alright as well...but very basic and cheap.
Message: Posted by: Andy Leviss (May 11, 2004 09:18PM)
There are multiple versions of Acid, and the full version, Acid Pro, isn't cheap! That said, Acid is NOT a sound editing program; it's a music looping program. Sony sells the Sonic Foundry stereo editor and Vegas multitrack editor, which are made to pair nicely with Acid. To use Acid for editing is like using a hammer to insert a screw; sure, it'll eventually work, but it'll be messy getting there and won't work anywhere nearly as well!

--A
Message: Posted by: RobertBloor (May 12, 2004 08:27AM)
Andy,

Since my degree is on the video side of production, perhaps you could help me out here. (I'll happily defer to you when it comes to audio)

What is the difference between a sound editing program and a "loop" program? (and what exactly is a loop?)

Thanks for your insights!

Robert Bloor
Message: Posted by: MagicalPirate (May 12, 2004 11:30PM)
I use GoldWave and you can download it at

[url]http://www.goldwave.com/release426.php[/url]

It is a shareware program, but runs fine and is fully funtional without registering your copy. I use it to do all my recording on the computer - Audio Cd's to InstantAudio files. It only has two tracks, but you can record your voice on one track and paste in your music source on the other. I believe the registration cost was only $40.00, so it really isn't expensive.

Martin :pirate:
Message: Posted by: Andy Leviss (May 13, 2004 12:04PM)
Hey Robert,
A loop is a short audio recording designed to be able to be played seamlessly in a repeating sequence (ie, to be "looped").

A looping program is a multitrack editing program optimized to work with these to create music. They use specially formatted loops that contain info about tempo and musical key, allowing you to use loops that were recorded at different tempos/in different keys, and shift them automatically so that they all match. They'll also let you add in spot sounds, sometimes called "hits", to punctuate the loops and to help keep the loops from becoming obvious.

Acid and Vegas are very similar in interface, but have some functional differences. Since Acid is meant for looping, you can't have more than one sound file on a track; each file gets its own track. In Vegas, you can have multiple files on the same track, both separately and overlapping.

For most of the editing folks here will need to do, you'll actually want a two-track editor, such as Sound Forge. The latest version, 7, implements the same sort of "slip and slide" timeline-based editing (I forget what term they actually use for it in Sonic Foundry/Sony land) that Vegas and Acid use, which is a huge step forward from previous versions (and other editors like Goldwave; this feature's been present in ProTools [which doesn't have a separate 2-track editor] and some other software packages for some time).

These programs have much more fine-tuned editing features than the multi-track and loop programs; the expectation is that you'd use Sound Forge to edit the individual tracks and loops, and then use Vegas or Acid (depending on the application) to assemble them all together into the final piece (although, as I noted, other companies offer multi-track editors that also do full stereo editing; Sony/Sonic Foundry just happens to offer full separate packages).

So, that's basically the difference. Let me know if I'm not entirely clear, and I can clarify :o)

Best,
Andy
Message: Posted by: RobertBloor (May 13, 2004 08:30PM)
Andy,

Perfectly clear. I need an audio program that I can do VO into and edit it with background music and the like.

For something that basic what would you recommend?

Robert Bloor
Message: Posted by: chmara (May 14, 2004 03:51AM)
Robert -- As a remember, you were on Mac??? If so Amadeus is very basic, works easily as sells (download from Germany) for about $20 US.

Gregg
Message: Posted by: RobertBloor (May 14, 2004 08:33AM)
Gregg,

Sorry mate. On a Dell. (*ducking* Let he who is without sin cast the first stone!) :)

I have thought about "growing up" to a Mac though bud so I appreciate that tip!

How's things in Tucson?

Robert Bloor
Message: Posted by: Andy Leviss (May 14, 2004 03:26PM)
Hmm...in the Sony (nee Sonic Foundry) line, I'd for for Sound Forge. 7.0 will pretty easily do what you need, not to mention that, IIRC, it comes with a "light" version of Vegas, which will make things even easier (it's simpler to overlap the VO and music when they're on separate tracks, although with the new editing style in SF7.0, it's much simpler to tweak than it was in older versions.

Cool Edit and Sonar will also do what you need, since they pretty much combine SF and Vegas type interfaces into a single program.

Unless much has changed, I'd pass on Goldwave, since last I saw it uses the more "traditional" two-track interface, where it's a one-shot deal to mix the two sounds together, and if you want to move the VO around in relation to the music/change the levels, you have to keep making use of the undo function.

--A
Message: Posted by: theaterfreak89 (May 14, 2004 05:53PM)
I use Sonic Foundry's Sound Forge myslef. It has a great interface the visual interpretation of the sound makes editing a breeze. It is great for beginners, but is also used professionally.
Message: Posted by: MagicalPirate (Jun 8, 2004 01:54AM)
You all sound like you are getting way more sophisticated than anything I do. I've done all my music on Goldwave and made professional CD's for my hypnosis titles just laying the voice on one track and the music on the second. It sounds like your moving the two pieces in relation to each other after laying them down. Glad I'm just doing easy stuff. Saves on the thinning of the pocket book. Sonic Foundry and Acid are pretty pricey as I recall, but my pricing is from the late 90's so a lot may have changed.

Martin :pirate:
Message: Posted by: RudolfRassen (Jun 26, 2004 09:24AM)
I have to agree with Cool Edit. I also use it to edit all sorts of sound effects for a Horror LARP that I work with, and it's never failed me yet.

ACID is also good, although if you are creating a long loop, you need to make sure that you don't do anything else on the computer that will make noise. I once did a sound effect drumming loop and about a minute in, I got some Windows noises in there. I ended up jumping to the begining of the track just to make sure the Windows ding didn't reoccur.
Message: Posted by: Doug Higley (Jun 26, 2004 03:04PM)
Audacity:
As a Professional Voice Actor and doing Commercials, Sound Tracks, Music On Hold CDs etc. for my living, I swear by Audacity. I've had expensive software that supposedly does it all and Audacity knocks 'em for a loop(no pun) as to ease of use. The others have too much stuff you'll never use and cost way too much. As to the above post about Spy Ware...I didn't download any of that garbage and believe me I check.
Audacity is Free and is continually updated so get the latest release. Just go to http://audacity.sourceforge.net

Killer stuff!


Doug
http://LionPoint.com

By the way...regarding Spy Ware...this junk can be picked up from the download site you get the actual software from. Choose wisely where you get a file...direct from the developer site should be no problem in the case of Audacity.


Thanks
Doug
Message: Posted by: hugmagic (Jun 26, 2004 10:22PM)
Also on a Mac, I use Sound Studio. it is a free download and very basic. But it works enough for me at this point. I think it was originally on some Mac Addict Disks. It runs in Classic mode.
Message: Posted by: Sal Amangka (Jul 10, 2004 12:17PM)
Magicgraham,

For creating music, I would suggest "MTV MUSIC GENERATOR" and for editing I would suggest "Acoustica MP3 Audio Mixer"

Hope this helps.

Sal Amangka
Message: Posted by: Kevin Vu (Aug 24, 2004 02:28AM)
Just wondering since you all use these programs. Where do the midi files or wav files come from? Straight from the dealer? Or do you have to pay for extra FX?

Kevin Vu
Renton,Wa
Message: Posted by: Lee Darrow (Sep 1, 2004 02:26AM)
I use a shareware program on my Mac called "Jasmine." It's reasonably featured and has the effects I need. The selsct, point and click editing makes cutting and pasting a breeze. Do a short search on Google for Jasmine and Mac and sound and you should have no problem finding it. Low cost, about $15 and I have used it for stereo editing, offsetting and even backmasking ( for a really eerie effect, backmask someone reading the telephone book, overdub it with the same voice, pitched higher and then echo both)..

As a hypnotist and a bizarrist (not to mention a really fun closeup and parlour kinda guy!), this works well for me. Burns to CD audio, AIFF, MP-3 and several other codecs that I never heard of.

Just a thought,

Lee Darrow, C.H.
Message: Posted by: Dan McLean Jr aka, Magic Roadie (Sep 1, 2004 04:57PM)
Although I'm reasonably well-versed in the use of some of the REALLY big software/hardware packages for editing (many thousands of dollars), I recently needed something compact & easy-to-use. I tried Audacity by Soundforge, and I though it was quite good, and easy-to-use. It's FREE from http://audacity.sourceforge.net/ , and is available for OSX, Windows, and Unix/Linux. It will even allow you to blend sound effects in with your music.

Good luck, and cheers from Toronto!
Message: Posted by: Andy Leviss (Sep 1, 2004 07:31PM)
Note that Audacity is NOT in any way related to Sound Forge. It's HOSTED on [i]Source[/i]forge, a site that hosts tons of open-source projects.
Message: Posted by: Kenn Capman (Sep 2, 2004 10:11AM)
I'm a serious MacHead from way back.

That being said, I use Sound Studio and Amadeus for recording the source sound through a Sony condensor mike and pre-amp.

If I need to compose with loops I use GarageBand. (which also has a very nice MIDI interface for non-loop composition)

I also have a dynamic action MIDI keyboard hooked up to my iMac.

I produce all the sound for my shows and Phobia House with this equipment.

I'm sure you can do the same with a similar set-up on a Windows based platform.
Message: Posted by: Doug Higley (Sep 2, 2004 11:51AM)
I just did a few extremely complex commercials for haunted attractions to be used on Clear Channel stations in various parts of the US.
One contained 8 separate mucic sources..13 sound fx tracks and 9 different voice elements with various enhancement FX...Audacity handled it like a dream.
I can't say enough about this great FREE project...it's ease of use beats the pants off the software I paid hundreds for.