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Topic: Getting Your Show Booked in a Theatre with Paul Draper - Podcast
Message: Posted by: manofcards (Dec 5, 2016 11:52AM)
This week, I had Paul Draper on my weekly WellAttended podcast. In the episode, Paul discusses how to get theatres to book your act. He talks about how to find theatres, the best ways to contact them, what theatres are looking for in an act, the type of promotional tools to send them, and he explains the differences between a corporate show and a theatre show.

Paul is an anthropologist, magician, and mentalist who has traveled the world in search of magic and mysteries to bring you his show, “Mysteries of the Mind”.

Some of his recent TV appearances include: Hell’s Kitchen, Pawn Stars, Ghost Adventures, Mindfreak, and House Hunters. He’s also been featured in articles for Psychology Today, Glamour Magazine, AskMen.com, and has many guest contributions for the AP and AOL News.

Paul has lectured and performed at Yale University, Apple, The World Famous Magic Castle in Hollywood and The Magic Circle in London. As a respected Las Vegas entertainer, Paul has headlined in the 800 seat showroom at the Orleans Casino and is the House Magician for the Venetian Hotel & Casino.

You can listen to this episode directly on our website at https://wellattended.com/blog/023-getting-show-booked-theatre-paul-draper/

Or on iTunes here: https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/wellattended-event-theatre/id1137237847
Message: Posted by: Paul Draper (Dec 6, 2016 01:44AM)
I gave away a lot of great information here. Building my own competition :-)

But then again, the more great magic out there, the better it is for all of us.

Paul
Message: Posted by: drmagico (Dec 6, 2016 08:19AM)
Listened to it last night. Thank you Paul for all that information. Howard
Message: Posted by: Paul Draper (Dec 7, 2016 10:22PM)
Absolutely! Hope it helped. 10 years of wisdom packed into 30 minutes... and GO!
Message: Posted by: Marqus (Dec 9, 2016 07:36AM)
Just yesterday, I discovered William's Well Attended site. And first thing on my list of podcasts to listen to is Paul's. I have Paul's At The Table lecture & his Penguin lecture - both are superb!

But, as I've stated my woes here many times, I had intentions of posting a new topic regarding theatre shows. This post will suffice but I want to post with a different Topic name.

Still very frustrated. I know what I need to do & that is quit my day job but then life might take a turn towards suicidial thoughts due to child's college debt & the state of job opportunities.

Really can't wait to make time to listen to the Paul Draper podcast & many more at Well Attended!
Thanks William & Paul!
Message: Posted by: Marqus (Dec 11, 2016 11:44AM)
Wow!
William & Paul - thanks!
I had an opportunity to listen to the Well Attended podcast. I thought it was excellent & extremely information.

Terrific job, well-done!
Message: Posted by: Paul Draper (Dec 12, 2016 10:19PM)
Thank you for listening and all of the kind words.

Do not out and out quit your day job cold turkey.

It takes most Entrepreneurial businesses 3-5 years to turn a profit, so you need to save up 3-5 years of working / living Capitol before quitting cold turkey.

I am now in my 8th year as a full time professional entertainer and am finally making a living I can be proud of. You need to have clear expectations.

If you are prone to suicide, this is not the full time job for you. Stay a passionate part time pro.

This journey is full of constant rejection and suffering even at the top of your game. And it never truly gets easier. You just get better at dealing with it and expecting it.

Save this number. Your life is so valuable and there is so much you offer the world. Please make healthy choices.

National Suicide Prevention Lifeline
Call 1-800-273-8255

Paul
Message: Posted by: Marqus (Dec 13, 2016 07:47AM)
Thanks for the motivation.

No suicide for me! I just get down on myself but never give up! There's ALWAYS someone in a way worse situation.

I stumbled onto a new plan of attack to get shows. As usual, my wife supports it fully. I take the 1st steps tonight.
I think this will actually work in my area (where I live).

Sort of encouraging news is that, after talking to other entertainers (musicians, magicians, etc.) in my area, they are having trouble with securing gigs.

Thanks again & keep knocking them out of the park!
Message: Posted by: Bill Hegbli (Dec 14, 2016 03:16AM)
Manofcards'

Magic Masters Summit was offered a while ago for free, but it is still available to purchase. I strongly suggest you get the Bill Gladwell interview on 2 and 4 Walling a theater. It will give you more information on how to approach the theater field you asked about.

Read this forum topic:

http://www.themagiccafe.com/forums/viewtopic.php?topic=621517&forum=44

Then order Bill Gladwell's interview.
Message: Posted by: jay leslie (Dec 14, 2016 06:23AM)
Paul, great info. The only thing you eluded to without actually spelling it out is that theaters aren't really interested in a birthday party show even if the operator uses larger props. You clearly said a number of times in a number of ways how you promote a main presentation which is geared toward a more theatrical crowd but I still imagine someone doing a party show who thinks they can sell it to theatre goers.

I hope I read you correctly. Did I?
Message: Posted by: Mindpro (Dec 14, 2016 11:44AM)
A birthday party show in a theater venue seems to have many problems written all over it. I think you've got it correctly.
Message: Posted by: thomasR (Dec 14, 2016 03:56PM)
[quote]On Dec 14, 2016, Bill Hegbli wrote:
Manofcards'

Magic Masters Summit was offered a while ago for free, but it is still available to purchase. I strongly suggest you get the Bill Gladwell interview on 2 and 4 Walling a theater. It will give you more information on how to approach the theater field you asked about.

Read this forum topic:

http://www.themagiccafe.com/forums/viewtopic.php?topic=621517&forum=44

Then order Bill Gladwell's interview. [/quote]

Bill Gladwell has also shared most of that info on podcasts available free.... just do a google search.

It should be noted that what Bill Gladwell does is very different than a touring theatre show.
Message: Posted by: Mindpro (Dec 14, 2016 04:32PM)
I agree, but no one here ever mentioned a touring show either. Kids party show, touring show, I'm not sure what you guy heard. Weren't we all listening to the same thing? I think this is an example of people accept and receive things only as they see it pertaining to them rather than the intended message as delivered.
Message: Posted by: thomasR (Dec 14, 2016 05:57PM)
[quote]On Dec 14, 2016, Mindpro wrote:
I agree, but no one here ever mentioned a touring show either. Kids party show, touring show, I'm not sure what you guy heard. Weren't we all listening to the same thing? I think this is an example of people accept and receive things only as they see it pertaining to them rather than the intended message as delivered. [/quote]

What is the industry term for what Paul described in the podcast? It's not a touring theatre show like a traditional road show that hops from town to town.. but it's a touring / traveling show none the less.
Message: Posted by: thomasR (Dec 14, 2016 06:01PM)
Oh... and Bill Gladwell is interviewed by Well Attended! So you don't have to look far for that free interview.
Message: Posted by: Mindpro (Dec 14, 2016 07:12PM)
[quote]On Dec 14, 2016, thomasR wrote:
What is the industry term for what Paul described in the podcast? It's not a touring theatre show like a traditional road show that hops from town to town.. but it's a touring / traveling show none the less. [/quote]

I agree. As he explained he only does about ten or so of these a year. They are really just single booked events that he generates similar to other performers seeking bookings in other markets (corporate, schools, fairs, festivals, etc.. Paul explained how he uses them and how they fit into his business goals.

There is a common misperception with some performers that if a performer works outside there local market or on national level they are touring. By definition and industry standards this is incorrect, they aren't tours.

I suspect that if Paul wanted to, as he progresses, he could turn these isolated bookings into a tour at some point. He seems to be taking the next step by shooting for some co-op or block bookings. I currently still do a Spring tour every year and have been for twenty-some odd years. However, one rarely just decides to do it and puts their ow tour together. Like four-walling and self-produced shows, there is much more to it that that. Also the way Paul is doing it is the old "picking up the phone and presenting/selling himself to the right contact. At some point if he decides to pursue it more, there are other ways tours can work or be put together using other outside industry resources.

I think this is the key to the Bill Gladwell podcasts and interviews and even Paul's to a certain degree, is they are simply telling their story of what they have done and are doing. This can create great insight, but as many are making reference to Bill's inerterviews, they are far from any kind of complete overview or understanding of the topic or from an industry perspective. They both offer good information as a starting point to those just learning.
Message: Posted by: Mindpro (Dec 14, 2016 07:14PM)
[quote]On Dec 14, 2016, thomasR wrote:
Oh... and Bill Gladwell is interviewed by Well Attended! So you don't have to look far for that free interview. [/quote]

Yeah I kinda thought the same. It kind of devalues Davinci's Summit interview that many had to pay for (or received free for the preview).
Message: Posted by: Bill Hegbli (Dec 14, 2016 08:42PM)
When selling, it is always good to have other ways of closing the deal. Paul has his method he developed, but if potential client is not sure about paying for everything, then it would be good to have other offerings, instead of just hanging up the phone.

I see where both methods work in both situations. As Paul pointed out in his podcast, he can spend up to 2 weeks in a town or city theater with multiple show. I think with two walling would be something potential clients on the edge would consider.

Different strokes for different clients.

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thomasR, you are correct, I did listen to the other podcast of Bill Gladwell, it slipped my mind, as I thought Savinci's had more insight in his. Of course you have to have some knowledge of sales technique an ability to recognize them.
Message: Posted by: CurtWaltermire (Dec 28, 2016 11:32AM)
William, I enjoyed the podcast as usual. You have a great product with Well-Attended, and I enjoy your podcast as well.

Paul, thanks for sharing all that you did, and for not hyping up things and making them more than they truly are. I hate that.
Message: Posted by: Hagerman (Jan 18, 2017 01:18AM)
Mindpro,

I tried to pm you but you are at your limit. I'd like to hire you for some consulting work. If interested please contact me.

Thank you!
Message: Posted by: Mindpro (Jan 18, 2017 10:29AM)
Sorry about that, but I've been kind of backed up on PMs by a day or so. While you can't PM me I can PM you and then you can respond to it even while my box is full it will come through. I will do that now. To all others I will clear out some space later today for you.

Thanks for your interest.
Message: Posted by: Paul Draper (Feb 10, 2020 02:31AM)
If you like this interview please consider checking out my lectures at Penguin and Murphys:

Paul Draper LIVE ACT
https://www.penguinmagic.com/p/11301

Paul Draper LIVE: Cold Reading
https://www.penguinmagic.com/p/2872

At the Table Live Lecture Paul Draper
https://www.penguinmagic.com/p/S19686

Best,
Paul