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Topic: The Theatre Theater Show for the Un-Famous
Message: Posted by: Marqus (Dec 9, 2016 08:00AM)
I realize there is also a current post titled How to Book a Theatre Show by Paul Draper but I haven't had a chance to listen to the podcast of it yet & wanted to post this anyway.

My question is: How do magicians/mentalists get to perform a theater show consistently?
Now I don't mean any offense or disrespect, but as examples that quickly come to mind because I've recently spent money on their excellent products, the popularity of Paul Stockman, Luke Jermay, Paul Draper, even Bob Cassidy are not names that the general public is familiar with.

Is it simply having enough money to use to saturate the media with marketing products?

I honestly am NOT trying to be a wiseguy or tick anyone off. I am totally dumbfounded by all of this. Everyone here talks about their shows & I can't wrap my head around it.
If MY shows sucked, then all of this would be easier. It's getting to a point where, when people OVER-compliment me after taking in one of my free performances, I'm starting to experience feelings of anger.
That almost doesn't make sense - I'm getting angry after receiving praise for something I enjoy doing & had the pleasure of making someone else enjoy, too.
It's because I can't BOOK anything. I am a humble person but to know you're doing a GOOD job but no venues want to pay you is frustratingly anger-induced.

As usual when I post, I am SORRY to sound like a cry baby.
I simply like to understand things fully.
Maybe just having enough money to be able to market heavily.

Listening to the Draper podcast may give me all of my answers.
I even feel 'funny' hitting this 'Post New Topic' button after all of that but here it goes.
Message: Posted by: Mindpro (Dec 9, 2016 08:57AM)
Quitting your day job would likely be the worst thing you could do, at least now, at this point. If you are having trouble getting bookings while performing part-time, attempting to go full-time would probably be even worse, I see it every month from someone.

What you need to be focusing on is a system to get bookings. This starts with making some important foundational decisions.This will help you to create the needed system.

I think when you say you have trouble hearing others always taking about their shows and bookings, it is because of just this reason - they have a system to get regular or consistent bookings they are executing.

This is exactly what I spoke about recently in my entertainment business seminar in Las Vegas.

As for theater shows, you are missing a lot of pieces. Paul offers some good basic advice in William's podcast, (both William and Paul Draper were at my presentation) but like anything else you must learn the market first to be able to better understand it and to create a system for bookings. Getting and producing your own theater show was also something that was a big section of what was discussed in my workshop as well.

You asked :
ďMy question is: How do magicians/mentalists get to perform a theater show consistently? ď

The answer is quite simply - pick the market you want to specialize in, educate yourself, research and study it and learn everything you can about that market from the inside out (education is knowledge which is the key and foundation to everything) then create a plan, and actionable system to create the results you are seeking.

Itís really the same regardless if you are wanting to perform kids parties, cruise ships, corporate events, the education market, fairs & festivals or any other performance markets.

You seem to really need knowledge, understanding and step by step actions to get you where you want to go. This is what your available time, effort and money should go towards, as it is what will create the results you are seeking and the greatest return.

Hopefully you are having a good holiday season as it is typically one of the strongest times of the year for most magical or variety entertainers. You should have systems in place to get additional bookings out of every one you perform, so hopefully that momentum can help get you started, but again without a plan, process or system in place to do so, you will always only be chasing after and wondering about your next booking - over and over again.

I also think you should try to surround yourself with successful people doing what you are seeking. In Vegas recently it was so positive and encouraging to see a ballroom full of people with the same or similar goals, supporting and encouraging each other to help them to attain their goals. It really helps to create the proper perspective and motivation.
Message: Posted by: cbguy (Dec 9, 2016 10:13AM)
Work the streets.

You can work more often get in more shows. Fine tune everything in front of a live audience. Make connections. Market and advertise and get good at what you do.

That's what I did and never looked back. I've been a full time performer for 18 years.

When you're not performing star contacting festivals (local) NOT FAIRS too big, too soon and difficult to book.

If there are festivals going on locally, (I guarantee there are a lot) Crash them.

Once you're comfortable working the streets, pulling good crowds and you're making good hats you will have honed an act that can go anywhere.

Get several festivals booked up every year along with some corporate gigs.

Be sure to make your act as funny as possible and keep it clean.

At that point, you can quit your job if you want to and never have to worry about going back.
Message: Posted by: WitchDocChris (Dec 9, 2016 12:22PM)
When I think "theater show" I think 300+ seats. Bigger shows. I don't worry about those at this point, the production value is above what I can do.

My general method is to search for any place that hosts performances. If it seems like my kind of place, I'll contact them once a week until they either let me do my show or give me a straight "no". I keep track of that in a spreadsheet. Usually I end up getting another gig or two off those smaller shows. I generally do a door split these days but I am working towards a flat fee so I know what I'm getting.

I've had some success working the Steampunk scene. I have found that the big events are not the way to go - they're perfectly happy to "pay" you with a ticket and exposure and let you work for tips from there. They only pay the headliners. The smaller events are more likely to pay you to perform.
Message: Posted by: Dannydoyle (Dec 9, 2016 01:34PM)
[quote]On Dec 9, 2016, Marqus wrote:
I realize there is also a current post titled How to Book a Theatre Show by Paul Draper but I haven't had a chance to listen to the podcast of it yet & wanted to post this anyway.

My question is: How do magicians/mentalists get to perform a theater show consistently?
Now I don't mean any offense or disrespect, but as examples that quickly come to mind because I've recently spent money on their excellent products, the popularity of Paul Stockman, Luke Jermay, Paul Draper, even Bob Cassidy are not names that the general public is familiar with.

Is it simply having enough money to use to saturate the media with marketing products?

I honestly am NOT trying to be a wiseguy or tick anyone off. I am totally dumbfounded by all of this. Everyone here talks about their shows & I can't wrap my head around it.
If MY shows sucked, then all of this would be easier. It's getting to a point where, when people OVER-compliment me after taking in one of my free performances, I'm starting to experience feelings of anger.
That almost doesn't make sense - I'm getting angry after receiving praise for something I enjoy doing & had the pleasure of making someone else enjoy, too.
It's because I can't BOOK anything. I am a humble person but to know you're doing a GOOD job but no venues want to pay you is frustratingly anger-induced.

As usual when I post, I am SORRY to sound like a cry baby.
I simply like to understand things fully.
Maybe just having enough money to be able to market heavily.

Listening to the Draper podcast may give me all of my answers.
I even feel 'funny' hitting this 'Post New Topic' button after all of that but here it goes. [/quote]

How old are you?

When you say taking in one of your "free performances " would you please elaborate on that further?
Message: Posted by: Marqus (Dec 10, 2016 08:04AM)
Iíve been performing since the early Ď80ís, doing kids birthday parties, educational elementary school shows, library shows & teaching magic at libraries through workshops (Wizardís Workshop & Mad Scientist Workshop), communion parties, scouting events, & summer camps. Iíve donít do bazaars, fairs, or restaurants. (I did one restaurant walk-around & it was on New Yearís Eve. Didnít like it.)

In 2010, I came down with a debilitating illness which caused me to quit doing the kids venues. The illness limited me for a little over a year, then I was ready to start performing again but now I developed a mentalism show.

But things were different now. The Yellow Pages were dead. So instead of people looking for me, I had to look for them.

Through the use of friends, I got about 3-4 paying mentalism shows over the course of 4 years. One was a banquet for the local medical group, one for a private Christmas party at our high-class hotel, one for a 60th birthday party attended by business owners & lawyers, and a few libraries.

The reason I listed those venues like I just did was because my wife and I evaluate my situation from all angles.
I thought that I would possibly get a call from someone that attended these events, but no Ė nothing.
Yet, after each show, I was praised about how amazing it was & how much fun they had.

By the way, the venues that I would like to perform at would be high-end house parties, bed & breakfasts, country club events, events at restaurants or hotels in a specified room, even casino events.

I've done 2 free shows at a restaurant/brewery. It has gotten to a point where I offer a free show to friends that are having a house party, just to get a little practice.

Danny, I also PM'd you.
Message: Posted by: Dannydoyle (Dec 10, 2016 08:26AM)
This is not meant to be an obnoxious question. But having preformed a scant few shows, not having been paid for them it seems as if you are wanting to make a huge leap.

You do know house parties are vastly different from theater shows right?

Your goals seem confusing to me.
Message: Posted by: Bill Hegbli (Dec 10, 2016 03:39PM)
[Quote]... the venues that I would like to perform at would be high-end house parties, bed & breakfasts, country club events, events at restaurants or hotels in a specified room, even casino events.[/Quote]

You have now changed your question from theater to close-up walk around and/or parlour shows. Private is the most difficult to find and book, because it is just that, private. Gone are the days when influential people were in the Sunday newspaper. This takes on very different way to connect with these people.

1st do you live in a area with thousands of rich influential people. With a prospecting base available, how could you hope to obtain steady work.

Where would you start, who are influential people in your area.

Actually, I think most in home parties are thing of the past. Times have changed.

Well, I hope this gives you something to think about to work on, by researching these fields.
Message: Posted by: Marqus (Dec 11, 2016 11:42AM)
Thank you to all for responding.

When I mentioned:
<the venues that I would like to perform at would be high-end house parties, bed & breakfasts, country club events, events at restaurants or hotels in a specified room, even casino events.>

...that's the overall big picture.

In this post, I'm strictly concerned with theater shows.

That being said, I had an opportunity to listen to the Well Attended podcast, How to Book a Theatre Show by Paul Draper. I thought it was excellent & very information.
It answered all my concerns.

So thanks again.
Message: Posted by: Paul Draper (Dec 12, 2016 10:15PM)
You're welcome.