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Topic: Vapr Watch Official Thread
Message: Posted by: Will Tsai (Dec 22, 2016 03:26PM)
To all friends here. Thought it'd be easier to following the official update about Vapr Watch with an official release thread. If I am violating the terms on the thread, please keep me informed. However..

The Vapr Watch info starts to go out later TODAY.

If you are not on the Vapr Watch list, now it's the time. We are closing the registration for the Vapr Watch list tonight as the first batch will be very limited. Additional information will go out from the Facebook page as well.

[url=http://www.sansminds.com/vapr_watch]Vaper Watch List Registration[/url]

[url=http://www.facebook.com/groups/vaprwatch/]Vaper Watch Official Facebook Page[/url]

Thanks for reading. :)
-will
Message: Posted by: Infographicmagicreviews (Dec 23, 2016 06:38PM)
Just got the email and saw the first video. I am so happy I took the plunge and got the watch at that price! The gift basket idea is AMAZING! I am so hyped now and can't wait to receive the watch. Thank you so much Will for doing this and bringing out such wonderful product. Merry Christmas to you!
Message: Posted by: Ustaad (Dec 23, 2016 11:59PM)
[quote]On Dec 23, 2016, Infographicmagicreviews wrote:

[b]I am so hyped now and . . . . [/b][/quote]

. . . and (as I see it) so has Will Tsai found a new way of hyping the product.

[quote]On Dec 22, 2016, Will Tsai wrote:

[b]If you are not on the Vapr Watch list, now it's the time. We are closing the registration for the Vapr Watch list tonight as the first batch will be very limited.[/b]

-will [/quote]

But with that he also goes on to say on his website Ad:-

[b]"The device that celebrity magicians are already on the waiting list for. . . . Get yourself on this exclusive VIP list now."[/b]

Thus implying that this particular restricted product is primarily meant for the few exclusive 'Rich-n-Famous' magicians; but at the same time Will can do a big favor by accommodating a few Commoners as well. Thus I feel that this kind of a sales approach is certainly not in good taste.

Thank you. And back to the Rich-n-Famous.

Continue please . . .

:xmas:
Message: Posted by: LoganPorterMagic (Dec 24, 2016 01:59AM)
After reading the email I have to say, WOW! What a pleasant surprise!!! Will you guys are amazing. I am so glad I supported the project. It's looking amazing already. Really look forward for the next video update.

Ustaad, I am a 'Commoner' and not only I am very hyped I am very happy with the purchase as well. They are pretty much giving it away to people who support their blind event for free. I got to buy it at a lower rate and they are sending products of equal value ON TOP of my purchase. How many magic companies does that? It's not wrong to create hyped and be hyped. From what I saw in the video, it's that good!
Message: Posted by: That1MagicGuy (Dec 24, 2016 02:54AM)
The video looks dope. Money is tight but I am on the fence. Somebody push me over!
Message: Posted by: knownmagician (Dec 24, 2016 03:23AM)
Where is the video? Can semone give us the link?
Message: Posted by: BrainMagos (Dec 24, 2016 03:47AM)
The watch is HUUUUUGE!!
Message: Posted by: Magic KL (Dec 24, 2016 11:51AM)
[quote]On Dec 24, 2016, LoganPorterMagic wrote:
After reading the email I have to say, WOW! What a pleasant surprise!!! Will you guys are amazing. I am so glad I supported the project. It's looking amazing already. Really look forward for the next video update.

Ustaad, I am a 'Commoner' and not only I am very hyped I am very happy with the purchase as well. They are pretty much giving it away to people who support their blind event for free. I got to buy it at a lower rate and they are sending products of equal value ON TOP of my purchase. How many magic companies does that? It's not wrong to create hyped and be hyped. From what I saw in the video, it's that good! [/quote]


How much did you pay for shipping?

Please let us know what the gift basket has. I really wonder what kind of tricks you get.
Message: Posted by: JassTan (Dec 24, 2016 12:21PM)
They have it up on their Facebook page now. I am on their email list so I got it like a day or two ago.

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Message: Posted by: LoganPorterMagic (Dec 24, 2016 04:21PM)
I owned a Lynx first watch and had no problem performing with it. It's all about the context. The problem I had was with the device itself. I had to give it away because I got a huge blister using it. And it didn't look that great anyway.

There are several reasons I didn't want to move onto the electronic watch model which I am not going to go into here. From what I've seen and heard so far about vapr watch, it's amazing. Definitely looks like an upgrade. I for one can't wait for full spec to come out.
Message: Posted by: scott0819 (Dec 24, 2016 11:23PM)
Is it black and gold? That tiger stripe-like colouring isn't exactly inconspicuous.
Message: Posted by: MR Effecto (Dec 25, 2016 09:02AM)
So far it don't look as good as good as the Smart Smoke Watch
Message: Posted by: Legendary Wizard (Dec 25, 2016 11:15AM)
I felt the gold edition looked like a wearing tiger on my hand ...

It says in the email the official release is 26 ? Soon ... I shall see ~
Message: Posted by: Alex DLF (Dec 25, 2016 11:49AM)
Wow, looks huge on a wrist.. Will wait for reviews.
Message: Posted by: Will Tsai (Dec 25, 2016 07:50PM)
Hey hey, got a few messaged me on Facebook about the photos of the watch and more info. All I can say is everything will be up on the 27th. I'll see you all there. :)

Meanwhile, here's something fun we did. Merry Christmas boys and girls. Hope you are all having a great time with family and all those you love. Lots of love-

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Message: Posted by: Infographicmagicreviews (Dec 26, 2016 08:18PM)
I love the fun spirit! Quick question, after watching the third teaser I am really digging the gold. Is it too late to change my order from black to gold?
Message: Posted by: JassTan (Dec 26, 2016 10:37PM)
I didn't receive the 3rd video. Where did you see the video?
Message: Posted by: FelixKraus (Dec 27, 2016 03:26PM)
The KING has returned! OMG you are the king of smoke. I am so impressed with what I saw in the trailer I had to buy one more! Thank you for bringing this out! Will Tsai you are a genius!
Message: Posted by: JustJoshinMagic (Dec 27, 2016 03:35PM)
After finally seeing what it looks like in black and how it works, I'm incredibly happy!
Message: Posted by: That1MagicGuy (Dec 27, 2016 03:37PM)
No doubt. Still feeling pumped from the launch. Smoke is their game. Period. They both look gorgeous I couldnít decide. I bought the dual package. LOL
Message: Posted by: Bella Dans (Dec 27, 2016 04:03PM)
I bought mine in the blind campaign. I was imagining the gold would be.. GOLD. Like the old cheesy gold. The gold one they have looks so modern and classy. I need to change my order to gold but they are not replying my email! They have amazing product but they need to friggin work on their service!
Message: Posted by: Will Tsai (Dec 27, 2016 04:17PM)
Hey folks, just dropping in and letting all know that Vapr Watch was officially launched 2 hours ago. It's only available through SansMinds. It's 4 years of my life and I am very proud of it. Definitely check it out :)

[b]Infographic[/b] - Have you talked to the SansMinds' team?
[b]JassTan[/b] - If you are still interested in checking the video out, they are all on the site.
[b]FelixKraus[/b] - Thanks for the kind words!
[b]JustJoshinMagic[/b] - I am glad you like what you bought!
[b]That1MagicGuy[/b] - Thanks for the support.
[b]Bella Dans[/b] - The product just launched 2 hrs ago. The emails are usually responded the same day if not within 24 hrs. If you need instant answers, you could try Facebook. It's usually more prompt.
Message: Posted by: Steve Brooks (Dec 27, 2016 05:43PM)
Hey gang,

First, this is not your everyday Cafť message from me.

Sure, its introducing a magic product. After all, we are a magic community. :)

However, this is not just another card trick, coin trick, rope trick or some goofy way for you to levitate above the sidewalk.

This is something you can and will use and more importantly - something I personally believe in. :)

You see, its creator [b]Will Tsai[/b] is my friend. Actually, that is not quite accurate. He is more than a friend, I consider him part of my family. I trust him and I can't say that about too many people in or out of the magic world.

Over that last four plus years I have followed his journey in developing one of the most ingenious and sophisticated pieces of magical apparatuses I have ever seen.

This is the real deal - I can see [i]James Bond[/i] using this and Q being quite jealous. :lol:

When VAPR arrived on the scene it took the idea of using smoke in magic to a new level - That's a fact.

Well, this is VAPR on steroids and its just a beautiful thing.

For a t-shirt and jeans kind of guy like me it doesn't get any better. :)

This is the [url=http://www.sansminds.com/index.php/vapr-watch.html]VAPR Watch[/url] and I'm in love with it plain and simple.

I collect watches and can hardly believe that its everything I expect from one of my INVICTA'S, yet is a magicians secret weapon and for less money. As George would say; It's Bad to the Bone. ;)

I understand its technology and I also know the math and engineering that has went into this - Unbelievable is all I can really say.

I have no horse in this race. [b]Will Tsai[/b] is NOT paying me a dime to promote this masterpiece. I'm doing this because I believe in it.

Great work Will - you did it kid and I'm proud of you. - Steve Brooks

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Here's the skinny...

[i]WHAT IS VAPR WATCH?[/i]

Created by master designer and the creator of Vapr, [b]Will Tsai[/b].

[url=http://www.sansminds.com/index.php/vapr-watch.html]Vapr watch[/url] employs [i]absolutely[/i] the highest technology [i]ever[/i] made available in a magic product.

The first [i]million dollar[/i] project in researching and developing a magic prop.

The first magic project made possible because of cross industry cooperation with multi-industry giants.

[url=http://www.sansminds.com/index.php/vapr-watch.html]Vapr watch[/url] is made using the same high standards that are normally only seen in high-end watches costing thousands of dollars. Because we want EVERY magician to use it, we've decided to take the risk by keeping it affordable and making it available right above the actual production cost. For that reason, and for the very first time, we cannot afford to go through wholesale distribution so we need your help.

We have prepared 300 [url=http://www.sansminds.com/index.php/vapr-watch.html]Vapr Watch[/url] units that are ready to go to our [i]first 300 backers[/i]. So as you read, you might want to read fast. ;)

When we first hopped on the project, we werenít expecting this to be a million dollar project. Over the course of 4 years, weíve put everything we could afford into developing the technology required to make [url=http://www.sansminds.com/index.php/vapr-watch.html]Vapr Watch[/url] happen. We already have the parts and everything is ready to go, but we were unfortunately forced to stop the production at the last assembling stage due to financial shortage. Creating a collectible Watch is a huge business, but magic is not; hence what it takes to produce collectible watches is something we never would have expected. We want to make this happen for you and we need your help to bring this into mass production.

[i]GOAL[/i]

We need to collect the sales of 2000 units to push the production into the last assembling stage.

What you get for backing us:
[list]
[*]Buy at lower rate ($249.95 USD instead of $300 USD)
[*]Receive One additional part that will not be available in the mass production boxes, for FREE!
[*]Not only would you get to be a part of history, youíd be the first to empower yourself with a fusion of elegance and amazement.
[/list]
[i]WHAT IF WE FAIL?[/i]

If our crowdfunding campaign fails and we donít have enough funds at the end of the campaign, we will close the project and take the lost. No further purchases will be available.

We will still hand assemble the watches that were ordered and ensure they are delivered to our campaign supporters during the course of 2017 on a first come, first serve basis. It's because you chose to support us, and we canít let you down. If you donít want to wait, you can transfer the spot to a friend or get a full refund with no questions asked.

You will have a true unique item that will never be available on the market again.

Would you like to be the [i]James Bond[/i] of magic and perform with style?

Join us and select your color and package. Letís make history together. NOW.

[i]CAMPAIGN CUT OFF DATE: FEB 15TH[/i]

(Note: If you are one of the first 300 backers, your watch is going out before mid January through UPS. It will come with signature confirmation, tracking and $1000 USD insurance. We will need a street address.)

[i]FREQUENTLY ASKED QUESTIONS:[/i]
[list]
[*]How long does Vapr Watch last per FULL CHARGE? Average 116 puffs/triggers. Enough to last you a full day of performance.
[*]Can I replace the battery on the time piece? Yes you can.
[*]How many Vapr Watches can I sync w/ 1 Remote? No limit but you'll only need one.
[*]How loud is the device? The device itself is completely silent.
[*]How big does my wrist need to be to wear the watch? Each Watch is Fully customizable.
[*]Does Vapr Watch have different sizes? One size.
[*]Can I request a custom color? Not at this moment and if you could it would be REALLY expensive.
[*]Can you adjust the time? Yes
[*]How durable is Vapr Watch? We use it as our everyday watch.
[*]Can I use other oils to refill Vapr Watch? You cannot. It requires a residue free ingredient to work with the watch otherwise the smoke will get thinner and thinner.
[*]What comes in the box? Vapr, remote, arm band, USB charger and a wall adapter.
[*]Is there a timer to activate the smoke? No, itís remote controlled and you can do long trigger up to 60 seconds.
[*]How much of the smoke can I inhale before I faint? Purposely Inhaling any smoke is probably not a good idea. Our smoke uses a toxic free ingredient.
[*]Can I purchase a longer warranty? Yes you can and weíd advise that you do so.
[*]Is it water proof? Because thereís a hole emitting smoke, you canít water proof the hole. However, as long as you donít swim or shower with it, it should be fine. We use as our everyday watch.
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[i]LAUNCHING PACKAGES AVAILABLE TODAY DEC 27TH:[/i]

[b]1 Gold VAPR Watch[/b] or [b]1 Black VAPR Watch[/b] (retail value $249.95 USD) [i]PLUS[/i] [b]10 Refill Packs[/b] (retail value $280.95 USD) ONLY [b]$350.00 USD[/b] (Save over $180.00 USD)

[i]COLLECTOR PACKAGE:[/i]

[b]1 Gold VAPR Watch AND 1 Black VAPR Watch[/b] (retail value $499.90 USD) [i]PLUS[/i] [b]10 Refill Packs[/b] (retail value $280.95 USD) ONLY [b]$499.00 USD[/b] (Save over $281.00 USD)

Check it out by [url=http://www.sansminds.com/index.php/vapr-watch.html]Clicking Here![/url]

QUESTIONS? CONCERNS? [url=http://www.sansminds.com/index.php/vapr-watch.html]Click Here![/url]

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Message: Posted by: Charles Nileud (Dec 27, 2016 06:47PM)
These guys are on fire! I don't even care about the smoke anymore. I'd pay the price just for the watch itself!
Message: Posted by: bghost (Dec 27, 2016 08:55PM)
Looks awesome.

It says it includes a arm band in the box in Q&A section

Wondering what is that for if the device is triggered by remote?
Message: Posted by: emyers99 (Dec 27, 2016 10:27PM)
$51 for shipping. Yikes. Those are Hocus Pocus-like shipping rates.
Message: Posted by: JustJoshinMagic (Dec 27, 2016 10:45PM)
The $51 is because the package is being shipped via UPS with signature confirmation, tracking, and its insured for $1000. While it's definitely high, I feel like for what you're getting, I'd want to make sure it came here safely.
Message: Posted by: MadisonH (Dec 27, 2016 10:55PM)
Wow... that last trailer blew me away. I've been hurt by too many smoke products in the past. I hope this one lives up to what it appears to be.
Message: Posted by: Matthew Jones (Dec 27, 2016 11:01PM)
Can't wait to get this, looks amazing, course you can bet that my parents are probably going to try and kill me for buying this one, oh well, it'll be worth it, great job guys, can't wait to see what I can create with this.
Message: Posted by: Alan Rorrison (Dec 27, 2016 11:21PM)
To hold the remote?


[quote]On Dec 27, 2016, bghost wrote:
Looks awesome.

It says it includes a arm band in the box in Q&A section

Wondering what is that for if the device is triggered by remote? [/quote]
Message: Posted by: pelicantrapper (Dec 27, 2016 11:37PM)
On the video Will says they will ship out before 2017 implying orders will ship out in the next few days. But the page text "you watch is going out before mid January" suggests that they will ship out after 2017?
Message: Posted by: Sashac (Dec 28, 2016 12:00AM)
Bought it. I had to.
Message: Posted by: Saturn UK (Dec 28, 2016 01:57AM)
I got part way through the checkout and then got hit with $140 dollars for shipping!!!

There is no way it costs this much to insure and ship to the UK by UPS or similar.

I was also concerned about only having a 3 month guarantee, what comes with 3 most of warranty these days, don't they think their product will last a year, if you want a year you have to pay an extra $100!

If they want nearly $500 for the watch why not just say so, I may just have ordered it right away, but virtually doubling the price during checkout is not on.
Message: Posted by: Will Tsai (Dec 28, 2016 04:52AM)
Thanks for all the love folks. It's been a crazy day. Will answer a few questions tomorrow when I have some down time.

[b]Saturn UK[/b], yes I agree with you. That is the exact reason we never stepped into retail model before from Canada. The price is quoted directly from UPS system here. The same package going your way and coming back to us will have quite a bit of price difference. But we decided to stick with UPS as it's the most reliable carrier here with signature, tracking, and $1000 insurance. Of course we could just sell the item for $500 and do free shipping; as the matter of fact from the cost and quality of the watch we were going to retail the watch for $1000. However we believe in the power of sharing resources and we want all the magicians to use it. We decided to go full retail and transfer the price difference to the customer end. So everyone could make their purchase at wholesale price and we'll let the product speak for itself. Customers are paying the carrier for the cost of item to deliver to their own location. Some are more costly, at the same time some are cheaper depending on how close they are located from our carrier. To protect customers' investments over valuable product, it makes sense to use secure and reliable carrier service. Just my two cents. Once again thank you for liking my work and considering to support the campaign.

-Will
Message: Posted by: Saturn UK (Dec 28, 2016 04:57AM)
You will find websites that offer UPS and DHL at large discounts I'm sure you must use them like we do, or if you ship enough you will be getting huge discounts off the normal shipping rates.

What about the warranty why only offer 3 months is the watch not durable, that was the main thing stopping me pushing the button.
Message: Posted by: Will Tsai (Dec 28, 2016 05:08AM)
We don't have resources like that in Canada. At least I never heard of private service like that. If you can hook us up, that'd be awesome!

3 month is a standard electronic coverage for manufacture defects. If after 12 weeks of use, it's already proven the electronic parts are working reliably. Any point beyond that, it doesn't cover daily usage damage. If you bump the watch, water damage, bad user habit.. etc. Those are not covered. Additional warranty is available for instant replacement. That means at anytime during the warranty duration your watch is not working (not water damage or crash), the $300 watch will be replaced with a brand new one. The same service is offered in laptop and mobile business model as an option. It could come in handy. I've had the chance to replace my phone in the past with similar warranty. Again not everyone needs it but it's nice to have an option and a peace of mind. Hope this answers your question.

-will
Message: Posted by: Saturn UK (Dec 28, 2016 05:21AM)
Must be different in Canada mobiles have 12 months in the U.K as do all electrical I am aware of.

One website is called Parcel Monkey.

It works Canada to UK, they are showing $25 shipping by DHL but that does not include insurance, which is $10 for up to $500.
Message: Posted by: Will Tsai (Dec 28, 2016 05:29AM)
We don't do DHL at all. We've lost so many parcels through them in the past we can't even count. That's why we do UPS only for this item. But thanks for the info.
Message: Posted by: Saturn UK (Dec 28, 2016 05:56AM)
Never had a thing go missing with DHL and that price is insured.
Message: Posted by: Legendary Wizard (Dec 28, 2016 07:43AM)
Oh well ... I can't take the temptation , I'm getting this at 140 shipping .

Will , what's the extra free part that's included in the early bird package ? And does the " we'll put in free stuff equivilant to the amount you ordered at " offer still count ?
Message: Posted by: morpheis91 (Dec 28, 2016 10:35AM)
[quote]On Dec 25, 2016, MR Effecto wrote:
So far it don't look as good as good as the Smart Smoke Watch [/quote]

It looks better to me. It shoots the smoke so it doesn't look like it comes from the wrist but rather the hands, it also tells the time!!! I almost bought the Smart Smoke watch but I think I'm gonna go with the Gold Watch
Message: Posted by: Chris Jones (Dec 28, 2016 12:18PM)
I don't trust them as far as I could throw them and I'm the world expert on smoke devices.
Message: Posted by: JackMagic (Dec 28, 2016 12:27PM)
[quote]On Dec 28, 2016, Saturn UK wrote:
Never had a thing go missing with DHL and that price is insured. [/quote]

I must agree with mark on this one DHL is much more reliable

And with UPS most of the time I have had to go down to my local post office to collect the item

Then get stuck with GBP 20 handling fee that's on top of the VAT and custom charge this on top of the VAT
and the overtop shipping charge from sansminds

I think I pass !
Message: Posted by: Paul Romhany (Dec 28, 2016 04:28PM)
Just wanted to chime in here. I was lucky enough to see the watch over 6 months ago - maybe more. What I saw blew my mind. I have been following the watch closely because I have tried it myself and seriously think it's the best magic product I have ever seen.

The detail on the mechanics are what really took my breath away. They literally created the technology from ground up and it is revolutionary not just in the magic world but also the science world. I remember telling Willie at the time to forget developing this for magicians and get this to the medical industry where he would make some serious money. The technology is really THAT advanced. The blower they had made for this watch I believe is the smallest in the world and has uses way beyond magic. This is where Willie and his team have really set new standards for magic prop designers. I am going to write the story on this product up in VANISH MAGIC MAGAZINE because it's a truly remarkable story of how much time, money and creative thought went in to bringing this to magicians.

I can imagine these should eventually go up in price because at the time I first saw the watch I suggested it retail for $1500 - so the price right now is amazing!!!

You can't compare this to any other smoke watch on the market because the technology is WAY beyond what is already out there. This has been in development for many years and the smoke production itself is so much better. The method is DIFFERENT. The main issue with other watches is that they use an old oil system - this does NOT. You won't stain your clothes or get an odd smell. You can do this again and again without refilling. It's far more practical for the working magician. You also get way more smoke and the smoke itself is more visual (stronger). Another feature, and for me one of the most important is that the smoke really looks as though it comes from the hand and not the watch. This is in part because of the new technology they created but also where and how you can adjust where the smoke comes from. It doesn't matter the size of your wrist because they have thought this through and it can be adjusted for any size wrist. It's like comparing apples with oranges. This far outdoes any smoking watch gimmick on the market - I know because I have one other and putting them side by side you can see the VAPR watch is far superior in all aspects.

If you are lucky enough to get one then it is something you will use and at this price I think it's one of the better deals I've seen.

Congratulations to the team behind this and to Willie Tsai - you have started a revolution and long may it continue ...
Message: Posted by: HoDinhYu (Dec 28, 2016 04:47PM)
This is gotta be the best magic product I have seen. What sold me is the smoke doesn't look like it comes from the wrist but inside of the hands. Beside smoke I am surprised the watch with this quality is only so cheap!
Message: Posted by: MR Effecto (Dec 28, 2016 05:43PM)
So do you have one yet?
Message: Posted by: MR Effecto (Dec 28, 2016 05:49PM)
Just seen the full demo. Looks crazy cool. Hope its as good as it looks.
Message: Posted by: PendletonThe3rd (Dec 28, 2016 06:23PM)
So to confirm, and if I understand correctly, the device can only be activated with the remote, right?

And will refills for the regular VAPR device work with the watch?
Message: Posted by: GAMJoker (Dec 28, 2016 06:38PM)
[quote]On Dec 28, 2016, Saturn UK wrote:
Must be different in Canada mobiles have 12 months in the U.K as do all electrical I am aware of.

One website is called Parcel Monkey.

It works Canada to UK, they are showing $25 shipping by DHL but that does not include insurance, which is $10 for up to $500. [/quote]

Totally agree to that. We in Germany have even 24 months on electrical products. Mobiles, Laptops, etc. (The fans of my Asus Laptop got very loud after ~20 months and even tho I said it's because of daily use, they replaced them for free...)
I don't think that anyone has to do this at all... Noone should offer free repair for daily wear, but at least for technical issues, 12 months in my opinion is a minimum for companies who believe in their product quality. If the quality of a product is as good as they promise, they will easy go through 12 months without having issues.
Message: Posted by: AaronishMagic (Dec 28, 2016 07:54PM)
I was away for vacation and can't believe I missed the blind campaign! Are there people actually got it for $170? That's insane!

PendletonThe3rd I use vapr on a daily basis. From the size of it I don't think the cartridge could go into a watch.
Message: Posted by: Will Tsai (Dec 28, 2016 08:18PM)
Hey folks. Just got some personal time here to answer a few questions.

[b]Saturn UK[/b] :: Lucky you. Unfortunately in order for item to go to your DHL it has to go from our local DHL. DHL is not reliable here. Of course special arrangement can be made to make it work for you; under the condition that we only take the responsibility up to the door of DHL. We'll take photos of your box with shipping info. Once the box is given to DHL carrier, we take no responsibility of when, how, and the condition the parcel may or may not arrives. If that works for you, I'll send out a memo for an associate to reach out.

[b]Legendary Wizard[/b] :: The offer was for our Blind Campaign supporters only and ended when we closed the registration for Blind Campaign. Those supporters chose to support us without knowing what they were purchasing at all. We decided to offer them products of equivalent value so they pretty much get the Vapr Watch for free. Just a way to say thank you to our loyal supporters with Christmas spirit.

[b]JackMagic[/b] :: Next time :)

[b]Paul Romhany[/b] :: Paul! I wasn't expecting a review this soon. Thank you so so much for the kind words. I really appreciate you liking my work! Thank you!!

[b]PendletonThe3rd[/b] :: The refill works on a entirely different system from the original Vapr.

[b]GAMJoker[/b] :: Germany is amazing! Unfortunately we are not a billion dollar giant and we can't afford to do that because we don't have the margin they have. If we ultimately go into wholesale for this item and adjust the price up with considerable amount accordingly, we'd definitely consider offering an all year round warranty under your advise.

[b]AaronishMagic[/b] :: Yes our early supporters made their purchase at $179 and we are sending them a $200 product basket on top. We even randomly picked 3 participants to refund in full and still send them the watch AND the gift product basket. On top of that, 3 different supporters are going to get our products that won't be released until end of next year with everything listed above... so yup you missed all that. Next time follow us closely my friend!

Hope I got some questions answered here.

-Will
Message: Posted by: codydavismagic (Dec 28, 2016 08:23PM)
Is there any other ways to activate the smoke besides the remote feature? I love it but worry about the remote battery dying
Message: Posted by: Saturn UK (Dec 29, 2016 03:42AM)
No more comment from me.

The way you price and deal with your customers is your business, but I'm not buying this now if you can't be sure your product will work for more than 3 months and its not even an item people will use every day!
Message: Posted by: Xcath1 (Dec 29, 2016 06:35AM)
Will,
Since you seem to check this board, it is not clear to me from the website how you can tell if your order is in the first 300. I would sure like to know if I will get my order in January or sometime in 2017.

Thanks David Wax
Message: Posted by: dave_matkin (Dec 29, 2016 08:03AM)
[quote]On Dec 28, 2016, Saturn UK wrote:
I got part way through the checkout and then got hit with $140 dollars for shipping!!!

There is no way it costs this much to insure and ship to the UK by UPS or similar.

I was also concerned about only having a 3 month guarantee, what comes with 3 most of warranty these days, don't they think their product will last a year, if you want a year you have to pay an extra $100!

If they want nearly $500 for the watch why not just say so, I may just have ordered it right away, but virtually doubling the price during checkout is not on. [/quote]

I'm with you on that. $140 to ship is insane! If it were not for that I'd have bought too.
Message: Posted by: Formless (Dec 29, 2016 09:41AM)
Hi Will,

I am thinking of getting it. My concern is that the watch would appear too huge on the wrist.
Can you tell us the dimensions (diameter and case thickness in mm) of the watch, so we can gauge how it will look when we are it?

Looks awesome btw! Really thinking about getting one.
Message: Posted by: kiketron (Dec 29, 2016 10:05AM)
Me too, but also would need the measurements and dimensions.
Can not deduce them from the video promo
Message: Posted by: GAMJoker (Dec 29, 2016 11:52AM)
How long does it take to refill the watch and how long will it last? (Not the clouds of smoke, I mean the time after you refilled it, because not everyone is using it 80 times within a week or two :P )
Message: Posted by: Crave (Dec 29, 2016 01:06PM)
I really love this Watch, it's awesome. And also I really wanted to back on one but the 140$ shipping to germany makes me really think about it. I mean the Watch is totally worth it, but there must be cheaper ways of getting it shipped.
Message: Posted by: Matman (Dec 29, 2016 03:17PM)
I wonder if SansMinds would offer a trade-in for us Vapr users?
Message: Posted by: GAMJoker (Dec 29, 2016 03:19PM)
[quote]On Dec 29, 2016, Crave wrote:
I really love this Watch, it's awesome. And also I really wanted to back on one but the 140$ shipping to germany makes me really think about it. I mean the Watch is totally worth it, but there must be cheaper ways of getting it shipped. [/quote]

Same here. I'm from Germany too. Just wait until a magic dealer from here gets them. Even if you have to pay the full price, you will be still cheaper than paying 140$ for shipping plus 20-25% taxes. So you will still pay less if you just wait :P
Message: Posted by: Formless (Dec 29, 2016 03:55PM)
[quote]On Dec 29, 2016, Matman wrote:
I wonder if SansMinds would offer a trade-in for us Vapr users? [/quote]

highly unlikely. never seen any trade-in for magic products before and it is a bad business model.
Message: Posted by: Michael Mindreader (Dec 29, 2016 05:15PM)
Collector's package. Done. I am not usually magic but the impression thing in the trailer really speaks to me. Nice watch between!
Message: Posted by: Acecardician (Dec 29, 2016 07:17PM)
When will these start shipping for the first 300? How can someone tell if they are in the first 300?

Thanks

ACE
Message: Posted by: MR Effecto (Dec 29, 2016 08:06PM)
Magicians, we need your help!

Over the course of 4 years, we have put everything we could afford into developing the technology required to make VAPR Watch happen. We already have parts and everything ready to go, but we were unfortunately forced to stop the production at the last assembling stage due to a financial shortage.

Creating collectible watches is a huge business, but magic is not; hence what it takes to produce collectible watches is something we have never expected. We want to make this happen for you and we need your help to bring this into mass production.

Together we can bring VAPR Watch to life. Reading this not meny are made. Sounds like they need you money to make them.
Message: Posted by: dooblehorn (Dec 29, 2016 09:08PM)
[quote]On Dec 24, 2016, LoganPorterMagic wrote:
After reading the email I have to say, WOW! What a pleasant surprise!!! Will you guys are amazing. I am so glad I supported the project. It's looking amazing already. Really look forward for the next video update.

Ustaad, I am a 'Commoner' and not only I am very hyped I am very happy with the purchase as well. They are pretty much giving it away to people who support their blind event for free. I got to buy it at a lower rate and they are sending products of equal value ON TOP of my purchase. How many magic companies does that? It's not wrong to create hyped and be hyped. From what I saw in the video, it's that good! [/quote]

"Giving it away?" Hmmm...wow, I'm really restraining myself now...sure seems to be a lot of new users on here praising this watch...given Sansminds last history, weak warranty and overly expensive shipping, will have to pass on this one...
Message: Posted by: AndreaMooreMagic (Dec 29, 2016 09:38PM)
I am choked that I didn't get the blind deal too. Only if I knew..
If thereís one thing I think Sansmind is doing better than anyone else in magic, itíd be their taste. Money is so tight after Christmas. I want the black..
Message: Posted by: Puzzlemaker (Dec 30, 2016 02:56AM)
And I stay with my the Lynx Smoke Watch:)
Message: Posted by: Crave (Dec 30, 2016 06:25AM)
[quote]On Dec 29, 2016, GAMJoker wrote:
[quote]On Dec 29, 2016, Crave wrote:
I really love this Watch, it's awesome. And also I really wanted to back on one but the 140$ shipping to germany makes me really think about it. I mean the Watch is totally worth it, but there must be cheaper ways of getting it shipped. [/quote]

Same here. I'm from Germany too. Just wait until a magic dealer from here gets them. Even if you have to pay the full price, you will be still cheaper than paying 140$ for shipping plus 20-25% taxes. So you will still pay less if you just wait :P [/quote]


Not quite sure if this is ever going to happen. I've had parcels shipped from Canada and the US for around 50$ with 500 $ insurance. If these will make it to retail here, they will be around 500Ä and however this is by far the best smoke device I've ever seen, to me this would not be worth what I would get from it. Another Idea might be, if there are other guys from germany willing to buy it, we could share the cost. Not sure if that would work out.
Message: Posted by: GAMJoker (Dec 30, 2016 07:12AM)
[quote]On Dec 30, 2016, Crave wrote:
[quote]On Dec 29, 2016, GAMJoker wrote:
[quote]On Dec 29, 2016, Crave wrote:
I really love this Watch, it's awesome. And also I really wanted to back on one but the 140$ shipping to germany makes me really think about it. I mean the Watch is totally worth it, but there must be cheaper ways of getting it shipped. [/quote]

Same here. I'm from Germany too. Just wait until a magic dealer from here gets them. Even if you have to pay the full price, you will be still cheaper than paying 140$ for shipping plus 20-25% taxes. So you will still pay less if you just wait :P [/quote]

Not quite sure if this is ever going to happen. I've had parcels shipped from Canada and the US for around 50$ with 500 $ insurance. If these will make it to retail here, they will be around 500Ä and however this is by far the best smoke device I've ever seen, to me this would not be worth what I would get from it. Another Idea might be, if there are other guys from germany willing to buy it, we could share the cost. Not sure if that would work out. [/quote]

Well it would be still interesting to see how much it will cost here once some german magic deaers have them... I mean the Lynx Smoke watch also just costs 20-30Ä more than from all the US-sellers, but there you don't have to pay the shipping costs (140$ in this case) neither the taxes (19% VAT + some % processing fee from the customs, so let's say 25%. If you take the watch for 250$ + 100$ for warranty + 140$ shipping, 25% would be ~125$). So for everything below 615$, you would still pay less... and I just don't think that they will sell them for more than 615$ here in Germany.
Message: Posted by: gassaox (Dec 30, 2016 09:23AM)
It's absurd ,why don,t sansminds just put the total price they want for it instead of adding all the little extras on top of the price of the watch
Message: Posted by: Liams-Heart (Dec 30, 2016 12:22PM)
[quote]On Dec 29, 2016, Acecardician wrote:
When will these start shipping for the first 300? How can someone tell if they are in the first 300?

Thanks

ACE [/quote]

I'd like to know this as well. When I ordered the launching package a couple of days ago it made it sound like it would ship immediately.
Message: Posted by: Will Tsai (Dec 30, 2016 01:07PM)
Hello folks, today is a crazy day for me so I am not able to go back and respond to all messages. Just answering a couple ones I see on this page.

First, thanks for all the love and supports.

For those who wonder if they made it to the first 300, I believe the status update is going out today via email.

For those who are waiting for Vapr Watch to go to the dealer, the Vapr Watch will only be available via SansMinds. If you live in areas where shipping is very costly, it's a great idea to gather a few close by friends and group purchase. The shipping will go down dramatically after the split.

[b]gassaox[/b] :: We are trying to keep it affordable for everyone out there. We don't add extras on things. Delivery is what we are being charged from the carrier. If we were to put a total inclusive price, you'd be paying the same but people who are closer to us will be paying more..

Hope this answers a few questions folks. Have a great one :)

-will
Message: Posted by: Will Tsai (Dec 30, 2016 01:14PM)
Super quick announcement. Vapr Watch feature story made it to the latest issue of Vanish Magazine. If you are interested in knowing some behind the scene stuff about Vapr Watch, definitely check it out. Some other super awesome articles and stories in this issue too.

[url=http://www.vanishmagazine.com]Vanish Magazine[/url]

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Message: Posted by: PendletonThe3rd (Dec 30, 2016 02:12PM)
Can the smoke be activated manually (on the watch) without the remote? Or is it strictly remote activated?
Message: Posted by: codydavismagic (Dec 30, 2016 02:33PM)
PendletonThe3rd, I was told just through the remote, which does have it's perks in my opinion, but I won't get into that! I will hopefully be one of the ones to get their watch soon, and will throw on a review as soon as I get it!
Message: Posted by: PendletonThe3rd (Dec 30, 2016 02:36PM)
Thanks Cody!

I was hoping for a non remote option too but both have their perks indeed.
Message: Posted by: Will Tsai (Dec 31, 2016 12:03AM)
Hello [b]PendletonThe3rd[/b] and [b]codydavismagic[/b], Vapr Watch is triggered with remote so the activation and duration is under your full control. This allows various routines/uses to be blended in and you have full control of how long and much smoke you want for the particular effect. As well as the ability to stop the smoke whenever dealing with unexpected situation (grabby hand, curious kid, drunk guy in a party, etc.)
Message: Posted by: Acecardician (Dec 31, 2016 12:31AM)
Will: Don't over-insure packages with UPS.

I can let you know from experience that UPS will only pay a claim for what the buyer actually spent on the package. For example if someone spent $250 on a watch, UPS will only pay a claim for and up to $250. Even if you insure it for more, they will only pay what the buyer actually paid for the item.

If you insured it for $1000 I would have to prove I paid $1000 for it to get a $1000 refund. That will not happen with UPS and you need POSITIVE PROOF of what was paid.

I bought a one of a kind $300 painting on ebay for the low bid of $35. It was insured for $300. It arrived damaged. UPS would only pay back the $35 minus shipping.

It might save everyone money on shipping if you insure the watches for the actual purchase price.

Unless UPS charges you the same price for $1000 of insurance as $250 of insurance.

Hope this helps.

ACE
Message: Posted by: ash2arani (Dec 31, 2016 01:29AM)
It is odd to see insurance up to 1000 USD when the watch costs only 250 USD. I mean if something happens to the watch in transit, does that mean I will be paid 1000 USD??? If so, then maybe hope UPS messes up and we get the watch for free :D

On a serious note, I am with Ace and the insurance is only driving up the price when we I am sure many will be around the 500 USD mark. Still, if the price at 500 USD insurance is the same as 1000, no worries. Otherwise, it would help many to place the order with a slightly reduced shipping price.

I am really looking forward to VAPR :)
Message: Posted by: emyers99 (Dec 31, 2016 01:40AM)
I ordered but am not happy that it can only be triggered via remote. That seems to limit its usefulness in my opinion.
Message: Posted by: PendletonThe3rd (Dec 31, 2016 02:38AM)
^ have to agree. Kind of a deal breaker for me.

To have to carry an extra something somewhat defeats the purpose for me as I was expecting something completely self contained within the watch. Would have been great if they had integrated both options like the original VAPR.

Oh well. Im sure it's great and many will get a lot of use out of it (and will appreciate the remote control only function)....but after much anticipation, I'm going to have to pass on it.

On the plus side, I just got a new IWC Pilot watch for my bday and xmas so life is still pretty good!
Message: Posted by: ash2arani (Dec 31, 2016 05:18AM)
I am not sure what trigger other than a remote can be used.

Gestures are not reliable and even with a programmable delay, going to the watch mid-routine can be a tell. Plus, it involves bringing the hand together. I am note sure what other triggers can work for this scenario. The original was concealed. This is out in the open.

For this particular case, I think having a remote will make things more reliable and natural. Under the arm hookup or some other setup will actually make this much more deceptive in my opinion.

Plus, I believe the misdirection is powerful when they are staring at your hand with the watch and with no motion or any tell, you control the smoke. You can pump more if you need. You can cut it off if needed.

I really feel the remote is the best way to go and I will be putting my order in very soon.
Message: Posted by: jamo425 (Dec 31, 2016 07:00AM)
^agreed, I was actually hoping that it would be activated by any other means than going to the watch, so a remote is perfect. This way you don't have to time out when you want the smoke to come out in your routine, and now you can control how much or how little smoke you want to come out.

That's actually the main reason that I didn't want the lynx watch in the first place. I never wanted to bring my hands together and do any unmotivated actions. In my opinion, this is a huge upgrade, the remote is the main selling point for me. If I plan on performing that day, I'll wear the remote, if not, I can just use it as a regular watch. The fact that the watch looks great and is functional is just icing on the cake. I'm sold.. I'll be putting my order in next paycheck.

Btw, Will, how many refill cartridges come in a pack? Thanks
Message: Posted by: Joao Miranda Magic (Dec 31, 2016 07:36AM)
[quote]On Dec 31, 2016, jamo425 wrote:
^agreed, I was actually hoping that it would be activated by any other means than going to the watch, so a remote is perfect. This way you don't have to time out when you want the smoke to come out in your routine, and now you can control how much or how little smoke you want to come out.

That's actually the main reason that I didn't want the lynx watch in the first place. I never wanted to bring my hands together and do any unmotivated actions. In my opinion, this is a huge upgrade, the remote is the main selling point for me. If I plan on performing that day, I'll wear the remote, if not, I can just use it as a regular watch. The fact that the watch looks great and is functional is just icing on the cake. I'm sold.. I'll be putting my order in next paycheck.

Btw, Will, how many refill cartridges come in a pack? Thanks [/quote]

The above information is incorrect.

With my watch you activate single handed.

You just press it against your chest / body in a casual movement and the watch is activated.
Message: Posted by: Ceierry (Dec 31, 2016 07:46AM)
Hmm.. For me I'll still stick with my Lynx Smart Watch Version (which is my favorite).

The amount of smoke from the Lynx Watch still great and fit perfectly my needs ! Bare in minds that the sound is not an issue at all with Lynx Watch (so do not believe this one has this best selling point).

About the activating, I love the way I can activate my watch with Lynx Smoke and I never had any problem with it since it's the most direct way to activate smoke IN A PROFESSIONAL SITUATION!

This is when you know that a product is good or not, testing it in a professional environment, and for me : PASS for LYNX !

Do we need to talk about the remote? Just one question: Is it really necessary ? WHY? After all, for me it's a downside, the activating with body is far reliable and workable than a remote activating!

About the refills? I don't like the fact to buy cartridges again and again, with Lynx Smoke, I buy one refill and I can use it for so many performances and it's very cheap considering quality and quantity.

BTW, thanks for Lynx company offering 2 years guarantee for the product, yes we are talking about a product that cost more than 250$, so I want a good quality service! 3 months? hm... Considering some bad feedbacks about Vape and their firsts batchs...

Just my 3 cents :)
Message: Posted by: GAMJoker (Dec 31, 2016 08:06AM)
Will Tsai:
Can you give us the width x height x depth of the watch please?
The only reason why I haven't bought it so far is because I think this watch will be also to huge for me. I also have the Lynx Smart Watch which is way too big for my wrist. I want to compare if your's would look less strange on my wrist.
Message: Posted by: Sashac (Dec 31, 2016 09:48AM)
Agree that I would have preferred a non-remote feature. Feel a remote kind of goes against the purpose of such a product, although I understand why some may want it. I just didn't get why they wouldn't include both options.

Oh well, will wait until mine arrives
Message: Posted by: ash2arani (Dec 31, 2016 10:19AM)
How long does the refill cartridge last in the watch? Will the watch be ready to perform assuming it was refilled few days earlier and not used or lightly used?

Also, I might have missed this but does VAPR watch use standard watch battery?
Message: Posted by: Magic KL (Dec 31, 2016 11:19AM)
[quote]On Dec 31, 2016, ash2arani wrote:
How long does the refill cartridge last in the watch? Will the watch be ready to perform assuming it was refilled few days earlier and not used or lightly used?

Also, I might have missed this but does VAPR watch use standard watch battery? [/quote]

Great questions!
Message: Posted by: BrainMagos (Jan 1, 2017 03:57AM)
Also how many people as of today ordered the watch and will the ordering system be shutndown once the 300 is reached? I am just afraid to order and not be among the first 300...
Message: Posted by: ash2arani (Jan 1, 2017 04:16AM)
I think the 300 are only for the early shipping in January. The campaign cut off in Feb as per their page.
Message: Posted by: Xcath1 (Jan 1, 2017 08:40AM)
Has anybody tried to get a watch like this, Lynx or Vapr through airport security
Message: Posted by: BrainMagos (Jan 1, 2017 08:58AM)
Hence my question: how can we know we are among the first 300???
Message: Posted by: kiketron (Jan 1, 2017 01:00PM)
I ordered too the collectors package and no idea if I am one of the Leůnidas (300) guys ;)

What I received is an email with the "special something gift" extra add on that will be included with the watch and they plan to sell separatelly in the future.
Message: Posted by: ash2arani (Jan 1, 2017 01:55PM)
They said in their latest newsletter that they will be emailing the top 300 individually over the weekend. So it seems if one gets the private email, they are in the top 300. Otherwise, they are not.
Message: Posted by: Xcath1 (Jan 1, 2017 02:16PM)
Anybody on the 300 list yet
Message: Posted by: BrainMagos (Jan 1, 2017 04:32PM)
We should all refrain from purchasing until they clarify this major issue. We cant risk NOT being part of the first 300 as god knows when we will be delivered our watch...
Message: Posted by: ash2arani (Jan 1, 2017 04:47PM)
I really hope they address the 300 backers issue, when the next batch will be ready for those not in the first 300, and the other question about how long will the refill last if the watch is left for dew days with usage.

It is the new year and the weekend so I expect someone from Sans Minds will chime in in the next few days.
Message: Posted by: Xcath1 (Jan 1, 2017 04:56PM)
They got my money on the first day but I would like to know about the first 300 deal..
Message: Posted by: ash2arani (Jan 1, 2017 05:09PM)
Oh, and I forgot about the battery if it is standard or not?
Message: Posted by: Liams-Heart (Jan 1, 2017 06:46PM)
Seems odd that no one replied and said they got notification they are in the 300.
Message: Posted by: Lord*Of*ILLUZION (Jan 1, 2017 06:55PM)
I was one of the supporters of the Blind Campaign and received an email about an optional add-on at no extra charge, which would delay the shipment of the Vapr Watch for a few weeks. The add-on part allows for the ability to change the direction of the smoke stream with minimal delay. I don't see this as an essential upgrade so I opted to receive my watch as is. Still not sure if I am included in the first 300 customers but my assumption is that if your received an email asking you about the add-on, then you are probably included in the initial group.

-Nadeem
Message: Posted by: MR Effecto (Jan 1, 2017 10:55PM)
Not sure anybody was a part of the 300. Just one more way for a pre order to work ( Getting your money ) up front to put these to market. don't hold your breath it will be coming soon. :goodluck:
Message: Posted by: ash2arani (Jan 2, 2017 12:16AM)
I did get the email without buying it. I did buy it later that day and no word on '300'. Let us see where this goes. I am hoping for the best.
Message: Posted by: Lord*Of*ILLUZION (Jan 2, 2017 12:50AM)
Received a separate email with a personal thank you video message from Will Tsai. There was a number attached to my name, so this may represent "one of the 300" initial supporters. Again, I am just speculating but this was a Very nice touch from SansMinds (which has been a polarizing company for many). Looking forward to my watch in the coming weeks.
Message: Posted by: ash2arani (Jan 2, 2017 12:51AM)
That is what they said. It is clear that if somebody did receive this personal email, they are on the list.
Message: Posted by: codydavismagic (Jan 2, 2017 01:43AM)
I was a blind supporter but didn't receive the email, hopefully I will get one soon, it would be a shame to be a blind supporter and not get any of the first batch, although I did get the email about the add on!
Message: Posted by: Xcath1 (Jan 2, 2017 04:37AM)
What was your number Lord?
Message: Posted by: Lord*Of*ILLUZION (Jan 2, 2017 11:01AM)
I had the number 15 attached to my video, but I don't know the relevance of this number or whether it represents the order of supporters. There were two separate emails I received yesterday, one was generic and it was asking about the add-on part like I mentioned before. I am sure that they will reach out to all supporters of this product soon.

--Nadeem
Message: Posted by: Xcath1 (Jan 2, 2017 11:20AM)
Thanks,

David
Message: Posted by: Shadowness (Jan 2, 2017 02:58PM)
I have been using Joao Miranda Smoke Watch for 4 months now, and this is probably one of the best investments I ever did.

As a professional magician myself I wouldnt want to activate the watch with a remote, unless I wanted to produce smoke from a box or something, which is not the case.

I already have my pockets filled with stuff.. and a remote for this purpose, no, thank you. Usually I just press the watch against my chest at the same time I show a coin with my right hand. This is perfect for me because placing a remote in your arm I am sure its unconfortable and pointless.

I know that my watch does not give time, but I don't care about it. At least it seems to be HALF the thickness of the Vapr watch and it is much more casual and modern and does not attract any unwanted attention.

Also there are no refills to buy, and with a 2 year warranty and the absolute AMAZING costumer service that Joao and his team are well known for, and with the past VAPR issues (mine stopped working as most units have) I don't see why anyone would risk their money in vapr watch.

I do agree that the trailer of the vapr watch is good, but that is the same as with ALL their products, but when you receive the product you are disappointed mostly.
Message: Posted by: PendletonThe3rd (Jan 2, 2017 03:31PM)
^ they both have their pros and cons

To have my money, either Lynx needs to update theirs to actually tell the time...or the Vapr Watch need to include an option to trigger the smoke manually.
Message: Posted by: ash2arani (Jan 2, 2017 03:45PM)
Since there is an arm band which is most probably to hold the remote, I do not see any advantage for having the smoke producttion self-contained in the watch. To me, that offers flexibility for different performances. I do not own Lynx watch and I am sure it is a great product. Judging from the posts here, "pressing the watch against the chest" is no better than pushing a remote that is concealed under the arm pit. I know people have used older smoke devices with no problem. The advantage of a remote is that it requires no physical connection for the device.

However, being the devil's advocate here, having a remote only trigger is yet another possibility for device failure. If the remote breaks or malfunctions, no smoke out of it. I think the cool thing with VAPR is that if that does happen, God forbid, then at least we have a nice looking watch that can tell time :p

Each product excels at few thingss but surely suffers somewhere else. No product is perfect. There is always room to push boundaries further. We shall see soon the pros and cons of VAPR. Either way, I am looking forward to hearing updates on the project and official release/shipping dates.
Message: Posted by: kiketron (Jan 2, 2017 04:16PM)
My VAPR still works as first day after 2 and a half years of continuous use.

The coil was the part people used to complain when having problems, in other words the cheapest part to replace.
A common mistake people did was to screw the coil in the unit the opposite direction. This was explained in the DVD to avoid this problem.

They now sell another more complex and effective coil for VAPR for just $11
I'm used to activate my VAPR with the remote but I still have the manual option.

I would have preferred a manual activation as well with VAPR WATCH but I guess they had to decide not to include it for space limitations.
I also preffer the pump option rather than the mini fan because it makes the smoke seem to come from your hand, not your wrist.

No product can satisfy everybody 100%.
Lets wait for reviews and see all pros and cons
Message: Posted by: Shadowness (Jan 2, 2017 05:57PM)
[quote]On Jan 2, 2017, kiketron wrote:
My VAPR still works as first day after 2 and a half years of continuous use.

The coil was the part people used to complain when having problems, in other words the cheapest part to replace.
A common mistake people did was to screw the coil in the unit the opposite direction. This was explained in the DVD to avoid this problem.

They now sell another more complex and effective coil for VAPR for just $11
I'm used to activate my VAPR with the remote but I still have the manual option.

I would have preferred a manual activation as well with VAPR WATCH but I guess they had to decide not to include it for space limitations.
I also preffer the pump option rather than the mini fan because it makes the smoke seem to come from your hand, not your wrist.

No product can satisfy everybody 100%.
Lets wait for reviews and see all pros and cons [/quote]

I have performed the smart watch more than 500 times now and not even one spectator said the smoke "came from the wrist", or the watch.

It really does look like it comes from the hand, so that is a false claim.
Message: Posted by: JordanVictoria (Jan 2, 2017 06:38PM)
Hi,

Iíll probably take the Vapr Watch to test it and compare it to the Lynx Smoke Smart Edition that I have for a few months now.

The aim is not to say ę†this one is better than this one†Ľ. Each one has their own pros and cons so the choice will depend of your own use.

In my case I use the Lynx Smoke on my gigs because of the practicality. I love the fact the watch is self contained and that you can use it anytime you want.
About the size, the Lynx Watch is not that bigger than the Apple Watch. Itís bigger of course due to the mechanism but not that much. The watch is good if you want to use it sleeveless but in most of your gigs you have a shirt and a jacket on top so the size doesnít matter (in my case of course).

The smoke is good, really seems to appear from your hands.

Like I said, Iíll probably take the Vapr Watch to test it and see which one is the best for me in term of practicality for my gigs but for the moment Iím very happy of the Lynx Smoke :)
Message: Posted by: Steve Brooks (Jan 2, 2017 07:47PM)
[b]Shadowness[/b] said; "[i]...and with the past VAPR issues (mine stopped working as most units have) I don't see why anyone would risk their money in[/i] [url=http://www.sansminds.com/index.php/vapr-watch.html]Vapr Watch[/url]"

No disrespect meant BUT - That's only [i]your[/i] opinion (you are entitled to it). Most units have NOT stopped working. I own the original [url=http://www.sansminds.com/index.php/sm-proshop/reserve-your-vapr-unit-here.html]VAPR[/url] unit and have [i]never[/i] had any issues with it. I also know several others who use VAPR all the time with no issues whatsoever. Most issues that occured with VAPR was due to user error: People NOT following the directions. ;)

[b]Shadowness[/b] said; "[i]As a professional magician myself I wouldn't want to activate the watch with a remote, unless I wanted to produce smoke from a box or something, which is not the case[/i]".

Perhaps that is not the case for YOU personally. As for myself, I love the [i]option[/i] of removing the watch on the fly and being able to produce smoke from [i]wherever[/i], as the case may be. ;)

[b]Shadowness[/b] said; "[i]I know that my watch does not give time, but I don't care about it. At least it seems to be HALF the thickness of the [url=http://www.sansminds.com/index.php/vapr-watch.html]
Vapr Watch[/url] and it is much more casual and modern and does not attract any unwanted attention[/i]"

Well, if it doesn't actually give you the time it is NOT a watch then, now is it? Just sayin'. :)

In regards to the thickness of the [url=http://www.sansminds.com/index.php/vapr-watch.html]VAPR Watch[/url], I don't see any problems here. I own several [url=https://invictastores.com/invicta-reserve-swiss-made-quartz-watch-black-case-with-black-tone-silicone-and-steel-band-model-21639]INVICTA[/url] watches and all of them are very thick and extra large. I Haven't had anyone point and ask me why my watch is so big. Just sayin'. ;)

Finally, If you are happy with your FAUX smoke watch then that is all that matters for YOU and I sincerely wish you many great performances.

I believe I speak for many when I say the rest of us will be rockin the joint with a genuine [i]real[/i] [url=http://www.sansminds.com/index.php/vapr-watch.html]Vapr Watch[/url] aka a James Bond style timepiece. :)

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Message: Posted by: ash2arani (Jan 2, 2017 08:41PM)
According to a post on Sans Minds facebook page from 4 hours ago, first 300 watches are all taken. An email should be sent today or tomorrow to confirm all details including a potential shipping date.

That is great news. I wish all the best!
Message: Posted by: Xcath1 (Jan 2, 2017 09:08PM)
Steve,
Don't know why you are so hot about this. I bought an open box Smart Lynx from Penguin I mostly like it except he band is too tight and of course you don't get many puffs from a fill. I have ordered the Black/Gold collectors set from Sans Mind. Like you I believe I don't make my living preforming magic. I always wanted to have smoke when the spectator is squeezing a coin I just bent with my QB. That will probably be my main use for the watch. Although the remote has certain appeal, having a timer has turned out to be very practical for the specific effect I use it for. I wish that option were available with the Vapr watch I do look forward to checking it out.

David
Message: Posted by: PendletonThe3rd (Jan 2, 2017 09:26PM)
^ How dare you question the lord?!

;)
Message: Posted by: MaxfieldsMagic (Jan 2, 2017 10:26PM)
OK, this looks pretty cool. Went ahead and ordered. Got a couple of routines to use it with. If it's as described, I'll sing its praises. If not...
Message: Posted by: Chessmann (Jan 2, 2017 10:34PM)
[quote]On Jan 2, 2017, Xcath1 wrote:
Steve,
Don't know why you are so hot about this. [/quote]

Probably because Shadowness is exhibiting some fairly cheesey behavior.
Message: Posted by: Xcath1 (Jan 2, 2017 11:05PM)
Ok, I bow out
Message: Posted by: Legendary Wizard (Jan 3, 2017 07:28AM)
Whoa whoa , now the add to cart option has disappeared from the VAPR watch ordering page ?

http://www.sansminds.com/index.php/vapr-watch-1/vapr-watch-andy.html
Message: Posted by: Lord*Of*ILLUZION (Jan 3, 2017 08:04AM)
For those of you on the 300 list, are you all opting to have the "Repositioner" add-on part installed free of charge prior to shipment or are you accepting the watch as is? Not sure if I will need my watch to emit smoke up my forearm rather than my palm alone. My main uses would be for a QB3 bend, simple vanishes and a modified 'Double Cross--Portal' combo routine that I perform.
Message: Posted by: Xcath1 (Jan 3, 2017 08:18AM)
I will be using for the same. Have not decided yet
Message: Posted by: funnyclown (Jan 3, 2017 10:58AM)
For some reason the Vapr Watch seems to be out of stock. I'm not sure if this is temporary?? Does anyone know what happened to the Vapr Watch?
Message: Posted by: Irish eyes (Jan 3, 2017 11:02AM)
Although I want the Vapr Watch quickly I am opting to have the repositioner put on. I believe that this will give me more options and will be an asset to me.
Message: Posted by: Will Tsai (Jan 3, 2017 11:16AM)
Hello boys just jumping in quickly before I head out.

[b]Legendary Wizard[/b], an email went out last night. Due to the accounting department miscalculated the cost (our fault!), at current moment it's impossible for the watch to be retailed at $300 even after mass production. We're still finding alternative ways and checking if that's the only cost of category we missed. Meanwhile, we are adjusting the retail price to $399.95. So after the campaign, the retail price will be at $399.95. However we are honoring our campaign at $250 for the pledge supporters at this moment while the accounting department is looking into the details. The campaign offer might have to be adjusted soon though. Just keeping all supporters and friends here in the loop.

[b]Lord*Of*ILLUZION[/b], I highly recommend getting the repositioner. I use it even in my normal setup. Quite hard to explain but it further secures the position of the smoke. I wear the watch as my everyday watch performance or not, the repositioner makes it really convenient and secure. Plus you get it for free as a campaign supporter now. Future purchasers would have to purchase it.

Have a great day folks. :)

-Will
Message: Posted by: funnyclown (Jan 3, 2017 11:36AM)
But Will, the website is not currently offering the Vapr Watch. As of late last night it's showing out of stock. When will the Watch come back online for sale?
Message: Posted by: MikeTheKid (Jan 3, 2017 11:39AM)
Can't wait for my watch !
Message: Posted by: funnyclown (Jan 3, 2017 11:57AM)
The Watch is back.
Message: Posted by: kiketron (Jan 3, 2017 02:23PM)
I want the repositioner in both of my watches, so I wont answer Will's e-mail (you must in case you don't want them to install it) and wait a couple of weeks more in case I'm one of the 300

It is not permanent.
You can uninstall it if you don't like it.

K
Message: Posted by: Lord*Of*ILLUZION (Jan 3, 2017 02:45PM)
Thanks Will. I'm going to take your advice and have the Repositioner installed. Looking forward to this, keep up the strong work.

--Nadeem
Message: Posted by: Alex DLF (Jan 3, 2017 02:46PM)
[quote]On Jan 3, 2017, Will Tsai wrote:
Hello boys just jumping in quickly before I head out.

Legendary Wizard, an email went out last night. Due to the accounting department miscalculated the cost (our fault!), at current moment it's impossible for the watch to be retailed at $300 even after mass production. We're still finding alternative ways and checking if that's the only cost of category we missed. Meanwhile, we are adjusting the retail price to $399.95. So after the campaign, the retail price will be at $399.95. However we are honoring our campaign at $250 for the pledge supporters at this moment while the accounting department is looking into the details. The campaign offer might have to be adjusted soon though. Just keeping all supporters and friends here in the loop.

Lord*Of*ILLUZION, I highly recommend getting the repositioner. I use it even in my normal setup. Quite hard to explain but it further secures the position of the smoke. I wear the watch as my everyday watch performance or not, the repositioner makes it really convenient and secure. Plus you get it for free as a campaign supporter now. Future purchasers would have to purchase it.

Have a great day folks. :)

-will [/quote]

Come on Will, how can you put something on the market which is not even finished, you don't even know your retail price !

I would have expected more from Sansminds.
Message: Posted by: Lord*Of*ILLUZION (Jan 3, 2017 02:50PM)
[quote]On Jan 3, 2017, kiketron wrote:
I want the repositioner in both of my watches, so I wont answer Will's e-mail (you must in case you don't want them to install it) and wait a couple of weeks more in case I'm one of the 300

It is not permanent.
You can uninstall it if you don't like it.

K [/quote]

K: I think you should reply to speed up their fulfillment process. They are asking for 1) Order number 2) Whether you want the add-on installed 3) Current Correct address 4) Any other shipping requests. The email says it will help them process your order. Hope that helps.

-Nadeem
Message: Posted by: kiketron (Jan 3, 2017 03:04PM)
Lord of Illuzion.

The fist update email is necessary to answer just in case you Don't want the repositioner
The second update email just informs you will receive a quick update 3rd email for UPS address confirmation and availability.

At least that's what I understood.
Can you confirm me that if you received those emails?

Thanks
Message: Posted by: Magicalos (Jan 3, 2017 03:11PM)
Am I missing something here? to me it looks like all the videos ive seen of this product the smoke looks like a little 'puff' and that's it, its not thick smoke at all? also that watch face size is laughable I'm pretty sure layman would even notice how big it is....its almost like you have one of those oversized jumbo coins attached to your wrist....can anyone shed some light on the smoke aspect? cause for 300 bucks the smoke shouldn't look that bad? also for the price mystery smoke has this....smoked right ;)
Message: Posted by: Will Tsai (Jan 3, 2017 03:18PM)
Hey Alex, I recognize your name. Not sure what I did to you to worth your valuable time on your attack everywhere. If at some point I did something you weren't happy with, I apologize for it. Now to answer your question with respect, the reason it took 4 years for the Vapr Watch to get to this stage IS because we took the time and didn't wish to put something on the market that's not finished.

As I stated in the official video, this was going to be a $1000 watch and it's made with that standard and scale of operation. However I believe in power of sharing and I want everyone to be able to afford our creative work. So for the first time, we are leaving it to the hands of the end consumers to decide the fate of the production. That way supporters get to buy it at wholesale price. If enough supporters back us and the campaign succeeds, it benefits the end consumers as well as puts the project in the scale of production that we can bring part of the costs down. If the campaign fails, then it's a lesson we learn. And in the future we won't be able to do it again; the products would go through regular channels and end consumer would end up paying for more at regular price.

In the process of trying to keep the price down at bone cost for everyone, our accounting department made a mistakes; this shows how much we want to keep it affordable so everyone could own quality magic with affordable price. Upon the discovery of mistake we have to adjust the retail price because we simply can't afford to sell a product below its cost. At this moment we are honoring the pledge supporter's campaign at $250. Just trying to do what we could.. and price adjustment may occur soon if the math doesn't work out.

Hope this answers a couple questions for you Alex.

-will
Message: Posted by: Infographicmagicreviews (Jan 3, 2017 03:30PM)
If I want the repositioner, I don't have to reply to the email right? Can't wait to receive mine. Looks like I made it to top 300!
Message: Posted by: Lord*Of*ILLUZION (Jan 3, 2017 06:04PM)
Kike and Infographic: You can reply to the email so they have some of your preferred info or choose not to reply and still get the repositioner. Here is one of the emails that went to my junkmail box for some reason but this is what it says word for word:

"Congratulation, your pledge made it to the first 300 watches!
You will receive another email within a few days to confirm your final order and information.

To help us speed up the fulfillment process you can reply to this email and provide us the following information.

1) Your VAPR Watch order(s) number (ex. 210000XXX)

2) Do you want the "repositioner" add-on for free? If you do, your unit will be shipped after January 10th.

3) Do you need to change the shipping address? (Please note that we do not ship to PO Boxes. If your current shipping address is a PO Box, please contact us immediately)

4) Any other delivery requests? (Please note, we cannot make any changes to your order content due to limited supplies)

Once we receive all your information, we will start manually processing the orders. We appreciate your patience while we make sure your order arrives at your door correctly and safely.

If we do not receive a reply from you by January 6, 2017 - 12PM PT, we will assume you want the repositioner and there is no changes on your order."

Hope that helps!

-Nadeem
Message: Posted by: funnyclown (Jan 4, 2017 12:25AM)
I'm very excited about this product. Congrats SansMinds for following a dream and taking risks. That's really what our business is all about. I ordered one collector's set and an extra set of 10 refills. I really want to order a second collectors set but I don't think I can afford that right now.... may though. It's a tempting offer. Good luck in getting your goals.
Message: Posted by: niva (Jan 4, 2017 03:35AM)
[quote]On Jan 3, 2017, Magicalos wrote:
Am I missing something here? to me it looks like all the videos ive seen of this product the smoke looks like a little 'puff' and that's it, its not thick smoke at all? also that watch face size is laughable I'm pretty sure layman would even notice how big it is....its almost like you have one of those oversized jumbo coins attached to your wrist....can anyone shed some light on the smoke aspect? cause for 300 bucks the smoke shouldn't look that bad? also for the price mystery smoke has this....smoked right ;) [/quote]

You should get out more often. ;) Large watches is a trend! http://www.ablogtowatch.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/Sylvester-Stallone-Panerai-PAM341-Radiomir-Egiziano-860.jpg
Message: Posted by: codydavismagic (Jan 4, 2017 10:21AM)
Here's a video of what I believe is the vapr watch, but almost a year ago, wonder what changes have been made, https://vimeo.com/170269553
Message: Posted by: Magic KL (Jan 4, 2017 12:02PM)
[quote]On Jan 4, 2017, codydavismagic wrote:
Here's a video of what I believe is the vapr watch, but almost a year ago, wonder what changes have been made, https://vimeo.com/170269553 [/quote]

Seems like not enough smoke...
Message: Posted by: kiketron (Jan 4, 2017 12:32PM)
They added this on fb regarding smoke amount

https://www.facebook.com/SansMinds/videos/1558856710791961/
Message: Posted by: Magicalos (Jan 4, 2017 04:10PM)
[quote]On Jan 4, 2017, kiketron wrote:
They added this on fb regarding smoke amount

https://www.facebook.com/SansMinds/videos/1558856710791961/ [/quote]


looks like a typical sansmind trailer...without the screaming...ill wait for an actual review or someone posting there own video of the puff this thing makes....
Message: Posted by: funnyclown (Jan 4, 2017 04:41PM)
[quote]On Jan 4, 2017, Magicalos wrote:
[quote]On Jan 4, 2017, kiketron wrote:
They added this on fb regarding smoke amount

https://www.facebook.com/SansMinds/videos/1558856710791961/ [/quote]


looks like a typical sansmind trailer...without the screaming...ill wait for an actual review or someone posting there own video of the puff this thing makes.... [/quote]




You should probably refer to the main trailer explaining this is a community funded project and if they do not reach the goal of 2000 units sold this will not be mass produced. There will be 300 completed units released to early adopters. I am lucky to be one of the 300. This campaign will end the middle of February and if the goal has not been reached the product will only be made for the early pledgers
Message: Posted by: Legendary Wizard (Jan 4, 2017 10:20PM)
It'll so so great if some guys who opted out of the repositioner gimmick and received the unit first can give a short review .
Message: Posted by: GAMJoker (Jan 5, 2017 09:23AM)
If anyone from Germany wants one, write me a private message please. I will buy me one during the next week and if we buy them together we can split the 140$ shipping costs.
Message: Posted by: Magic KL (Jan 5, 2017 12:12PM)
$140 shipping cost?!
Message: Posted by: Legendary Wizard (Jan 5, 2017 12:22PM)
[quote]On Jan 6, 2017, Magic KL wrote:
$140 shipping cost?! [/quote]

Don't tell me you're not aware of it only until now ... the 50 buck shipping cost for the US is heaven compared to the 140 to ship to another country which is " considerably not too far away " ...

My friend gathered 4 humans to order together to save shipping , that's how I survived this nonsense price .:.
Message: Posted by: niva (Jan 5, 2017 12:38PM)
Yes it's sad! I am from Malta so tough luck for me!
Message: Posted by: GAMJoker (Jan 5, 2017 01:29PM)
[quote]On Jan 5, 2017, Magic KL wrote:
$140 shipping cost?! [/quote]

Yes, it's sad haha... but because they said this product will only available from them directly, besause they will not sell it through other sellers in the future, there is no other chance to get one than paying the 140$...
I mean even if you split it between two people, 70$ is still even more than I ever payed for more then 400 international shippings, but well... better than 140$ :D
Message: Posted by: MR Effecto (Jan 5, 2017 01:52PM)
I really feel this will be the biggest let down of 2017. Good luck guys
Message: Posted by: Will Tsai (Jan 5, 2017 02:02PM)
Hello folks, quite a few did group orders and greatly reduced the shipping cost. If you got friends around you who need one, it's a great way to split and save on shipping.

Many PM me and asked about how's the smoke different from all other smoke device out there. The answer is NO TRACE of source. Vapr Watch is the only one does that due to the technology breakthrough. Hard to describe. Here's a video of a a raw demonstration from start to finish done slowly. The smoke happens at fingertips and when the hand is turned right away there's no trace of where it came from. Hope this helps answering a few questions. Just keeping all friends and supporters in the loop. :)

[youtube]kiEPpkBuaeI[/youtube]

Have a great one folks!

-will
Message: Posted by: Nash (Jan 5, 2017 09:39PM)
[quote]On Jan 4, 2017, Magic KL wrote:
[quote]On Jan 4, 2017, codydavismagic wrote:
Here's a video of what I believe is the vapr watch, but almost a year ago, wonder what changes have been made, https://vimeo.com/170269553 [/quote]

Seems like not enough smoke... [/quote]

That's because unfortunately, the tv station went with our last take where the juice was about empty :(
However, check out the demo vid I shot that I pitched to the producers.
The smoke is ridiculously beautiful when full, see it for yourself:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_CdqAJMXxlw

Lastly: the watch in the video was a prototype the Sansminds team was working on (THANKS WILL!!!!!), so I'm sure the finished product now is going to be even more ridiculous.
And full disclosure: I'm not affiliated with Sansminds and my review of the watch is 100% unbiased.

GET IT IF you still can.
Message: Posted by: GusGarcia (Jan 6, 2017 12:21AM)
I'd be cautious of this too. Saw one at penguins Michael Ammar lecture and was not impressed, but then again I don't own any smoke devices so what do I know? Hope it's worth it!
Message: Posted by: Will Tsai (Jan 6, 2017 12:54AM)
Hi Nash, good to see ya here. The one you borrowed for the show quite a while back was a plastic structural mock up with no air seal (#37?). The final one is a thing of beauty and a lot more advance now. I can't wait to hear your feedback as you are one of the few who played with the unfinished ones. We need to catch up soon.

GusGarcia, I am not aware of our watch being featured via Penguin channel. which product in particular are you referring to?
Message: Posted by: funnyclown (Jan 6, 2017 01:28AM)
Hey Will Tsai,

Will you be releasing more Watch batteries? Are they standard batteries we can buy at Walgreens? Or is this a custom made battery? Also how ofyen do I need to change the battery? Is it user friendly easy to change? I bought four watches so I want four extra batteries.


Another question. $99 gives me a one year warranty. Can I buy two of them to give me two year warranty? Or is one year the max you can buy? Do you have a five year plan?
Message: Posted by: Legendary Wizard (Jan 6, 2017 06:40AM)
[quote]On Jan 6, 2017, funnyclown wrote:
Hey Will Tsai,

Will you be releasing more Watch batteries? Are they standard batteries we can buy at Walgreens? Or is this a custom made battery? Also how ofyen do I need to change the battery? Is it user friendly easy to change? I bought four watches so I want four extra batteries.


Another question. $99 gives me a one year warranty. Can I buy two of them to give me two year warranty? Or is one year the max you can buy? Do you have a five year plan? [/quote]

If you r going for the 5 year warranty ( if there is ) , getting just an extra watch may seem more worth it .
Message: Posted by: ash2arani (Jan 6, 2017 07:54AM)
Regarding warranty, it says it begins on the date of purchase even though there is a delay in shipping and more so for those not in the first 300. How will warranty be accommodated for the delayed shipping?
Message: Posted by: MR Effecto (Jan 6, 2017 08:35AM)
I will stay with my smart watch from Joao Miranda. Great product. Great customer service, Free shipping through Penguin.
Message: Posted by: Magicalos (Jan 6, 2017 08:45AM)
[quote]On Jan 6, 2017, MR Effecto wrote:
I will stay with my smart watch from Joao Miranda. Great product. Great customer service, Free shipping through Penguin. [/quote]

how quiet is the unit? how much smoke does it produce? whats the quality of the smoke? does it have refills?

i already own Mystery Smoke, and might get a watch if I can find one that actually looks good in terms of what it can do
Message: Posted by: niva (Jan 6, 2017 09:10AM)
[quote]On Jan 6, 2017, Magicalos wrote:
[quote]On Jan 6, 2017, MR Effecto wrote:
I will stay with my smart watch from Joao Miranda. Great product. Great customer service, Free shipping through Penguin. [/quote]

how quiet is the unit? how much smoke does it produce? whats the quality of the smoke? does it have refills?

i already own Mystery Smoke, and might get a watch if I can find one that actually looks good in terms of what it can do [/quote]

All those questions have already been answered in the last two pages.
Message: Posted by: Magicalos (Jan 6, 2017 09:27AM)
[quote]All those questions have already been answered in the last two pages. [/quote]

you are correct sorry didn't see those earlier...hmmm still not sure where to go.... lynx smart watch or vapr watch.....
Message: Posted by: Legendary Wizard (Jan 6, 2017 09:38AM)
[quote]On Jan 6, 2017, Magicalos wrote:
[quote]All those questions have already been answered in the last two pages. [/quote]

you are correct sorry didn't see those earlier...hmmm still not sure where to go.... lynx smart watch or vapr watch..... [/quote]

They both ard same price ( retailed pricing I'm talking about )

But lynx you can replace the parts if one spoil

VAPR ? well haha too high tech , I guess one part spoil the whole watch spoil , maybe that's why they only gave 3 month warranty ...

That said , I still got VAPR watch instead , hope it lives up to the hype ...
Message: Posted by: Magicalos (Jan 6, 2017 09:48AM)
[quote]On Jan 6, 2017, Legendary Wizard wrote:
[quote]On Jan 6, 2017, Magicalos wrote:
[quote]All those questions have already been answered in the last two pages. [/quote]

you are correct sorry didn't see those earlier...hmmm still not sure where to go.... lynx smart watch or vapr watch..... [/quote]

They both ard same price ( retailed pricing I'm talking about )

But lynx you can replace the parts if one spoil

VAPR ? well haha too high tech , I guess one part spoil the whole watch spoil , maybe that's why they only gave 3 month warranty ...

That said , I still got VAPR watch instead , hope it lives up to the hype ... [/quote]


wow only 3 month warranty without purchasing extra....interesting....wonder if they are prone to fail? what made you go with vapr instead?
Message: Posted by: MR Effecto (Jan 6, 2017 10:11AM)
( hope it lives up to the hype ) Famous last words. How many effects this year got so hyped up and were a let down. I be leave if this watch is as good as they say then I challenge them to ship out a few and let the reviews start pouring in. And I mean not review only after trying it out for a week. Lets get some real reviews after a couple of months and lets see? All this pre order ( The 1st 300 ) get this great deal. Your all just funding them to make your 300. If it was in the making for over two years now why are they still adding things to it. Ship them out already. That good all eat my words and buy one.
Message: Posted by: Legendary Wizard (Jan 6, 2017 10:11AM)
[quote]On Jan 6, 2017, Magicalos wrote:
[quote]On Jan 6, 2017, Legendary Wizard wrote:
[quote]On Jan 6, 2017, Magicalos wrote:
[quote]All those questions have already been answered in the last two pages. [/quote]

you are correct sorry didn't see those earlier...hmmm still not sure where to go.... lynx smart watch or vapr watch..... [/quote]

They both ard same price ( retailed pricing I'm talking about )

But lynx you can replace the parts if one spoil

VAPR ? well haha too high tech , I guess one part spoil the whole watch spoil , maybe that's why they only gave 3 month warranty ...

That said , I still got VAPR watch instead , hope it lives up to the hype ... [/quote]


wow only 3 month warranty without purchasing extra....interesting....wonder if they are prone to fail? what made you go with vapr instead? [/quote]

I trusted their trailer haha ... I trusted what they said , that's why I went for it . ( why did I trust Sansminds ? Well , not sure ) It's high tech in some ways , first smallest pump ( which I believe will give silent activation ) , next no extra parts that hangs out . < this is very important . I don't know why , when I'm gigging I sweat , I'm not nervous but I still sweat , and I'm afraid moisture will damage the fan for Lynx smoke . While for VAPR watch , everything is self contained . And of course , it tells time .
Message: Posted by: Magicalos (Jan 6, 2017 10:20AM)
[quote]I trusted their trailer haha ... I trusted what they said , that's why I went for it . ( why did I trust Sansminds ? Well , not sure ) It's high tech in some ways , first smallest pump ( which I believe will give silent activation ) , next no extra parts that hangs out . < this is very important . I don't know why , when I'm gigging I sweat , I'm not nervous but I still sweat , and I'm afraid moisture will damage the fan for Lynx smoke . While for VAPR watch , everything is self contained . And of course , it tells time . [/quote]

that's good to know that lynx was using a fan...yeah out on lynx because of that alone I don't want it making noise (my mystery smoke makes a little noise) but now I want something that is silent...also out that it doesn't tell time or the screen even do anything...hmmm maybe closer to getting a vapr watch (do they take the payment out when you place the order or when the item ships?)
Message: Posted by: Shadowness (Jan 6, 2017 10:54AM)
[quote]On Jan 6, 2017, Magicalos wrote:
[quote]I trusted their trailer haha ... I trusted what they said , that's why I went for it . ( why did I trust Sansminds ? Well , not sure ) It's high tech in some ways , first smallest pump ( which I believe will give silent activation ) , next no extra parts that hangs out . < this is very important . I don't know why , when I'm gigging I sweat , I'm not nervous but I still sweat , and I'm afraid moisture will damage the fan for Lynx smoke . While for VAPR watch , everything is self contained . And of course , it tells time . [/quote]

that's good to know that lynx was using a fan...yeah out on lynx because of that alone I don't want it making noise (my mystery smoke makes a little noise) but now I want something that is silent...also out that it doesn't tell time or the screen even do anything...hmmm maybe closer to getting a vapr watch (do they take the payment out when you place the order or when the item ships?) [/quote]

The noise with the Lynx watch is not an issue, unless you work in a small and silent room for your parents and with windows closed.

It does not tell time but that was an option that Joao told once in a video, because he wanted to produce a thin watch (mine is 7 mm thick only).

A lot of people already asked for the thickness of the Vapr Watch, because everything they produce looks good.... on video.

Also, Lynx watch is MUCH more beautiful and modern than Vapr watch, which is a $25 watch trying to look like a $500 one, and people know the difference.
Message: Posted by: Magicalos (Jan 6, 2017 10:59AM)
[quote]The noise with the Lynx watch is not an issue, unless you work in a small and silent room for your parents and with windows closed.
It does not tell time but that was an option that Joao told once in a video, because he wanted to produce a thin watch (mine is 7 mm thickness only).
Also, it is MUCH more beautiful and modern than Vapr watch, which is a $25 watch trying to look like a $500 one, and people know the difference. [/quote]

More interesting comments...I still like that the Vapr Watch is silent...If the occasion ever arises and I'm in a silent (or near silent) room for whatever reason I don't want it being traced back to a watch....As far as looks go, yeah lynx takes after the apple watch look which is nice...but it doesn't light up or tell the time which is a [i]major[/i] drawback. If someone asks you for the time and you have to get your phone out when clearly you're wearing a watch is a drawback as well...
Message: Posted by: Shadowness (Jan 6, 2017 11:07AM)
[quote]On Jan 6, 2017, Magicalos wrote:
[quote]The noise with the Lynx watch is not an issue, unless you work in a small and silent room for your parents and with windows closed.
It does not tell time but that was an option that Joao told once in a video, because he wanted to produce a thin watch (mine is 7 mm thickness only).
Also, it is MUCH more beautiful and modern than Vapr watch, which is a $25 watch trying to look like a $500 one, and people know the difference. [/quote]

more interesting comments...i still like that vapr watch is silent...if the occasion ever arises and I'm in a silent (or near silent) room for whatever reason I don't want it being traced back to a watch....as far as looks go yeah lynx takes after the apple watch look which is nice...but it doesn't light up or tell time which is a major drawback someone asks you the time and you have to get your phone out when clearly your wearing a watch is a drawback as well... [/quote]

I have NEVER had a single spectator asking me for the time...

If they do probably they donīt care about your magic lolol
Message: Posted by: Magicalos (Jan 6, 2017 11:17AM)
[quote]I have NEVER had a single spectator asking me for the time...
If they do probably they donīt care about your magic lolol [/quote]

Not saying it won't ever happen. But having a spec or anyone else for that matter ever ask you what time it is, and to be wearing a watch and not be able to check it seems fishy to me in my opinion, take it or leave it.

Visual aesthetics aside...how does the smoke look with lynx watch? Is it thick? How many puffs can you do one after another? What about refills? What about the operation? It doesn't need a remote which not sure (in my case) if that's a plus or minus yet...
Message: Posted by: funnyclown (Jan 6, 2017 11:32AM)
I own the Lynx smart watch and one problem with it is the heating element is located directly on your wrist which gives you a burning feeling when you use the smoke. For some people they have complained about getting a burn blister. With what appears from video demonstration on main trailer of Vapr Watch the smoke is transfered to wrist by a tube so the smoke would be cool by the time it is released from your wrist rather than the heating source being directly wedged between the Watch wristband and your bare skinned wrist. Also it appears the Vapr Watch is much more self contained than the Lynx Smart Watch which has the heating element wedged in by a tube from the Watch to heating element placed snugly on your wrist. This seems to be the Vapr Watches major advantage besides the ability to tell time and looking like a high end stainless steel Watch. Of course once the first 300 get their Watch we can really test it and review it but from what I see it looks like the Vapr Watch is the one we've all been waiting for.
Message: Posted by: Will Tsai (Jan 6, 2017 11:40AM)
Hello morning folks, I am here for my morning ritual and answer a couple questions.

[b]Shadowness[/b], I own quite a few good watches. I am big on watch wear as it's a fashion statement and I have to attend exclusive venues when I travel to perform. With the spec and details that Vapr Watch is produced with, I highly suspect you can get anything close within the hundreds range, let alone the technology that's built in the watch to produce smoke.. Body carved out of stainless steel block, chromed, two type of body finishes on ONE unit (if you are a watch guy, you'd know..) Curvy scratch free lens. extremely advance watch top built by Seiko Japan. Of course all decors are then installed by master watch maker.. by hand.. on top seamless moulded strap with antenna built-in.. just to name a couple things on the watch itself. But again I am extremely biased. Would love to take you shopping should the opportunity presents my friend.

[b]Magicalos[/b], yes it's completely silent. And it's a pump system, not a fan system. If you own a fan system one, you probably already know the difference.

[b]MR Effecto[/b], it seems like you don't understand our funding campaign. If you are interested, please definitely check out our trailer to see what the campaign is for and how it works. Of course if Juao's product works for you, I am glad you found a tool that works for you personally. Juao is a creative guy and I am sure his product is great as well.

[b]ash2arani[/b], the warranty begins on the day that you receive the item. Because everything is going out with UPS, there will be an arrival date. You also need to confirm and validate to activate your warranty which only takes a minute.

[b]Legendary Wizard[/b], I am not in charge of that department. Have you talked to the SansMinds folks? I am sure they'll assist you if you are looking for a longer warranty.

[b]funnyclown[/b], the batteries are supplied by Seiko Japan directly. Each one lasts well over a year. Due to its small size, it's not the most common in some countries. I'd recommend picking up an extra as it's just a few dollars. It'd save you shipping a single battery in the future. Or if you are our regular customer, the team can easily toss a battery in any time you need it.

There goes my morning ritual. Have a great one folks :)

-Will
Message: Posted by: Magicalos (Jan 6, 2017 11:41AM)
[quote]On Jan 6, 2017, funnyclown wrote:
I own the Lynx smart watch and one problem with it is the heating element is located directly on your wrist which gives you a burning feeling when you use the smoke. For some people they have complained about getting a burn blister. With what appears from video demonstration on main trailer of Vapr Watch the smoke is transfered to wrist by a tube so the smoke would be cool by the time it is released from your wrist rather than the heating source being directly wedged between the Watch wristband and your bare skinned wrist. Also it appears the Vapr Watch is much more self contained than the Lynx Smart Watch which has the heating element wedged in by a tube from the Watch to heating element placed snugly on your wrist. This seems to be the Vapr Watches major advantage besides the ability to tell time and looking like a high end stainless steel Watch. Of course once the first 300 get their Watch we can really test it and review it but from what I see it looks like the Vapr Watch is the one we've all been waiting for. [/quote]

thanks for the input on this! do we know if they take the money when you place your order versus when it ships?
Message: Posted by: Will Tsai (Jan 6, 2017 11:47AM)
[b]Magicalos[/b], yes they do! That's what the crowd funding campaign is for. We are asking for help from the community to make this happen. And that's why you are getting it at $250 while the retail is $400. As our supporter, you are buying at dealer price.

-Will
Message: Posted by: funnyclown (Jan 6, 2017 11:47AM)
They take money right away. I paid by PayPal and my money was taken right away. But that's ok. That's the way a community funded project works.
Message: Posted by: Magicalos (Jan 6, 2017 11:53AM)
[quote]On Jan 6, 2017, Will Tsai wrote:
Magicalos, yes they do! That's what the crowd funding campaign is for. We are asking for help from the community to make this happen. And that's why you are getting it at $250 while the retail is $400. As our supporter, you are buying at dealer price.

-will [/quote]


Will! thanks for your reply!! I sent a pm (as you requested) for people that own other smoke devices to see why this is superior, along with some other questions I have thanks in advance I know you are super busy :)
Message: Posted by: funnyclown (Jan 6, 2017 12:02PM)
[quote]On Jan 6, 2017, Will Tsai wrote:


funnyclown, the batteries are supplied by Seiko Japan directly. Each one lasts well over a year. Due to its small size, it's not the most common in some countries. I'd recommend picking up an extra as it's just a few dollars. It'd save you shipping a single battery in the future. Or if you are our regular customer, the team can easily toss a battery in any time you need it.

There goes my morning ritual. Have a great one folks :)

-will [/quote]


Hi Will,

I have written an email over 72 hours ago with no response to when they will restock the batteries. I have already placed my order so I really want the batteries added to my order. I wish they would respond to me. Maybe you can use your magic pull to help them answer my question about when I can order the batteries again.
Message: Posted by: kiketron (Jan 6, 2017 12:56PM)
Me too

I emailed sansminds support e-mail 3 days ago with another question regarding my order and no response yet received.

Kiketron
Message: Posted by: Will Tsai (Jan 6, 2017 02:04PM)
Hey folks,

Our team has been going through all email confirmations manually over the past couple of days; we are preparing for the coming delivery. The team will get to your email as soon as possible. Meanwhile, you can PM me and I'd be happy to assist.
My schedule is pretty tight right now as I am on a few projects as well as preparing to leave town again, but I'll try my best finding a time slot in between to help you out.

Thanks for all the love and support boys!

-Will
Message: Posted by: Sashac (Jan 7, 2017 10:21PM)
Any idea when the ones who asked for the watch to be shipped without the piece will ship?

The 10th is tuesday and I haven't gotten a confirmation so I kind of feel cheated if they ship it the 9th and I don't get the extra piece.
Message: Posted by: funnyclown (Jan 7, 2017 10:59PM)
Has anyone gotten their watch yet? Any unboxing or reviews?
Message: Posted by: niva (Jan 8, 2017 01:44AM)
[quote]On Jan 7, 2017, Sashac wrote:
Any idea when the ones who asked for the watch to be shipped without the piece will ship?

The 10th is tuesday and I haven't gotten a confirmation so I kind of feel cheated if they ship it the 9th and I don't get the extra piece. [/quote]

Why didn't you wait a little longer?
Message: Posted by: WizTom (Jan 10, 2017 06:21AM)
No shipping information so far ... I am one of the "300" backers.
Also got the email and wanted the additional component.
Hope to hear good news from "Sansminds" soon!
Message: Posted by: Legendary Wizard (Jan 10, 2017 06:26AM)
Anybody who opted out of the free replacement part received this yet ?
Message: Posted by: Xcath1 (Jan 10, 2017 06:59AM)
I am original 300. If this is in my hand before the end of February will eat my hat
Message: Posted by: Sashac (Jan 10, 2017 08:49AM)
Hi Sasha

We apologize for the delay. Recently a new regulation just pass and it made shipping electronics more complicated. We are working with UPS to solve the issues at the moment.
Message: Posted by: TazBo (Jan 10, 2017 08:57AM)
Sent this message on Saturday 7th January in a PM to Will, but never received a reply:
Hi Will,
I have one Vapr Watch on order Ref: 21XXXXXXXX
I have heard that the batteries will last about 1 year.
Please could you supply me with the Battery model Type and Voltage so I can source replacement batteries locally.
Many Thanks

Regards

Charlie
Message: Posted by: funnyclown (Jan 10, 2017 09:59AM)
Hey Tazbo,

I did hear back in regards to the battery. The one year battery used in the Vapr Watch is a battery made by Seiko Watch company that is a rare super small battery only found in Japan. SansMinds said they are currently out of stock on extra batteries but after the campaign ends regardless of success or failure they will make a large order of batteries for those that want them.




[quote]On Jan 10, 2017, TazBo wrote:
Sent this message on Saturday 7th January in a PM to Will, but never received a reply:
Hi Will,
I have one Vapr Watch on order Ref: 21XXXXXXXX
I have heard that the batteries will last about 1 year.
Please could you supply me with the Battery model Type and Voltage so I can source replacement batteries locally.
Many Thanks

Regards

Charlie [/quote]
Message: Posted by: funnyclown (Jan 10, 2017 10:09AM)
Here is the note I received from SansMinds in regards to battery.


HI Michael,

I understand your concern. Perhaps my wording in my last email did not communicate right.

Regardless the outcome, we will have more stock of batteries. We are out of stock now as that's all the extra we have. We will have any extra battery when the campaign end as it is better if we purchase it in bulks. However, we have not wrapped up the negotiation with the supplier so we have temporary disable the batteries purchase. If anything goes wrong, it is easier for us to handle a small batch of batteries and get it to everyone.


Hope that clear things up.

Rich
Message: Posted by: TazBo (Jan 10, 2017 10:11AM)
[quote]On Jan 10, 2017, funnyclown wrote:
Hey Tazbo,

I did hear back in regards to the battery. The one year battery used in the Vapr Watch is a battery made by Seiko Watch company that is a rare super small battery only found in Japan. SansMinds said they are currently out of stock on extra batteries but after the campaign ends regardless of success or failure they will make a large order of batteries for those that want them.




[quote]On Jan 10, 2017, TazBo wrote:
Sent this message on Saturday 7th January in a PM to Will, but never received a reply:
Hi Will,
I have one Vapr Watch on order Ref: 21XXXXXXXX
I have heard that the batteries will last about 1 year.
Please could you supply me with the Battery model Type and Voltage so I can source replacement batteries locally.
Many Thanks

Regards

Charlie [/quote] [/quote]

What's the model number and voltage of the battery, so we can look into this ourselves. We are still in the dark. :-(
Message: Posted by: funnyclown (Jan 10, 2017 10:20AM)
They never gave me model or voltage but said this in a previous response. Then later Rich clarified that regardless of outcome they will order more. But he never gave me the type of battery


"Those batteries are specially ordered from Seiko from Japan as the timepiece is made by them. We are not sure if that is a standard around the world. We will have more stock if we get into mass production. Currently, we already sold out of the extra we have.

Rich"
Message: Posted by: TazBo (Jan 10, 2017 10:30AM)
Notwithstanding the fact that they will have a supply of batteries, I think most of us would also like the option of looking to see if we can source the batteries directly ourselves so we are not tied into potential expensive postage and overpriced batteries in the future.
Or maybe this is part of SansMinds long term goal. ;-)
Message: Posted by: MR Effecto (Jan 10, 2017 11:45AM)
Not looking too good this far!!!!!
Message: Posted by: ash2arani (Jan 10, 2017 12:00PM)
Rare or not, why not share the information.

And if these batteries are not easily obtainable or this is a risk of no batteries available in few months or year, then I have to say this is a case of bad design. The power to run this gadget is key and without it, all the unique selling points of this very ambitious project are moot. Well maybe not the aesthetics because it is a nice watch.

I am sure we will get more information soon.

I hope we get new info on shipping and batch #2 onwards.
Message: Posted by: Alex DLF (Jan 10, 2017 03:08PM)
Seems like we have to wait Vapr Watch V2 :D

I'm not bashing this product, I just find it seems rushed and not ready enough to be put on the market.

Hope the customers who ordered will be satisfied and happy with their purchase ! (if they receive this year :D JOKE)
Message: Posted by: niva (Jan 10, 2017 03:14PM)
My God all the whining and speculation.
Message: Posted by: funnyclown (Jan 10, 2017 06:17PM)
This is a community funded project so if they don't reach their goal of 2000 units sold during the campaign there will be no Vapr Watch V2. Also if campaign fails to meet its goals this could be all they make. The Vapr Watch has many big advantages over its only competition the Lynx smoke watch. I own the Lynx smart smoke watch and it's amazing but it does have its problems. The Vapr Watch is the only watch that solves all those problems.

Lynx smoke watch is noisy in a quiet room because it uses a tiny fan
Vapr Watch is silent and uses a pump

Lynx smoke watch doesn't even tell time. The Vapr Watch is a real solid stainless steel Seiko watch that can be used as your everyday watch.

Lynx smart smoke watch has dangling wires to hold the battery that you must hide under the strap and a dangling tube that is connected to the heating element fan that must be wedged between your bare skin and the wristband. The problem with that design is you will feel a burning from the very hot heating element touching your bare skin. Also the smoke does not center from your palm. It starts at the bottom of your wrist.

The Vapr Watch has the battery and pump inside the Watch so it's self contained and a tube that allows you to position the smoke where you want and with the pump technology it shoots a thin stream of smoke that bursts at the palm of your hands. This gives the illusion the smoke really comes from your hand and not your wrist. This also means no more burning at your wrist.

The Lynx Watch shoot 3 to 4 seconds of smoke that you need to refill almost every time you use it. Then you must wait for the unit to cool down to prevent burning a blister on your bare wrist. Also you must press a button on the Watch and program a delay for the smoke to be released

The Vapr Watch gives you complete freedom using a remote control with no wait time and the choice to make a 3 second burst of smoke or up to 60 seconds. And it uses cartridge refills so you don't need to be constantly refilling the smoke liquid like the Lynx Watch.

Lynx smoke watch looks like a cheap watch
The Vapr Watch has a stylish high end look.

The Lynx Watch cost $350 -$375
TheVapr Watch is only $249 with the early buyers in the campaign.

If anyone was even thinking about adding smoke effects to your magic the Vapr Watch is truly the best options so I suggest if your just thinking about it go out and pledge during the campaign and save hundreds of dollars. Because if the campaign succeeds the cost will be $399 after the campaign.








[quote]On Jan 10, 2017, Alex DLF wrote:
Seems like we have to wait Vapr Watch V2 :D

I'm not bashing this product, I just find it seems rushed and not ready enough to be put on the market.

Hope the customers who ordered will be satisfied and happy with their purchase ! (if they receive this year :D JOKE) [/quote]
Message: Posted by: MR Effecto (Jan 10, 2017 06:32PM)
So I guess you have the watch already?? If not how do you know if it's better than the smart watch? Oh ya there telling you this
Message: Posted by: Wayne Liew (Jan 10, 2017 06:45PM)
[quote]On Jan 10, 2017, ash2arani wrote:
Rare or not, why not share the information.

And if these batteries are not easily obtainable or this is a risk of no batteries available in few months or year, then I have to say this is a case of bad design. The power to run this gadget is key and without it, all the unique selling points of this very ambitious project are moot. Well maybe not the aesthetics because it is a nice watch.

I am sure we will get more information soon.

I hope we get new info on shipping and batch #2 onwards. [/quote]

FYI, the refill battery is merely for the timepiece to run. If not mistaken, they did mention in one of their posts that the smoke producing mechanism is charged using USB.
Hope this answer your doubt :)

Wayne
Message: Posted by: ash2arani (Jan 10, 2017 08:08PM)
Thanks Wayne Liew. This is why I feel they should have designed the power to fit current standards. After all, it is for time-telling purposes.

Anyhow, I am looking forward to seeing this through. :)
Message: Posted by: WizTom (Jan 12, 2017 10:43AM)
Any news about shipping Will Tsai?! I'm waiting for my information. How long does it take?! Thank you!
Message: Posted by: Bill Hegbli (Jan 12, 2017 01:13PM)
[quote]On Jan 10, 2017, Wayne Liew wrote:
[quote]On Jan 10, 2017, ash2arani wrote:
Rare or not, why not share the information.

And if these batteries are not easily obtainable or this is a risk of no batteries available in few months or year, then I have to say this is a case of bad design. The power to run this gadget is key and without it, all the unique selling points of this very ambitious project are moot. Well maybe not the aesthetics because it is a nice watch.

I am sure we will get more information soon.

I hope we get new info on shipping and batch #2 onwards. [/quote]

FYI, the refill battery is merely for the timepiece to run. If not mistaken, they did mention in one of their posts that the smoke producing mechanism is charged using USB.
Hope this answer your doubt :)

Wayne [/quote]


If this is true, then what runs the smoke device, is it not the/a battery? Where is the smoke device battery stored? You can't charge nothing, it has to be a battery, right?

Ever hear of rechargeable batteries. USB charges the battery in the watch. Watches, Tablets, Phones, all have rechargeable batteries in them. The batteries only last about a year or a little more. That is why you need to replace them.

The battery still need to be changed every week, when not in use, otherwise the battery will drain completely and need replacement more often.
Message: Posted by: Sashac (Jan 12, 2017 02:15PM)
Message about shipping:

Hi Sasha

We apologize for the delay. Recently a new regulation just pass and it made shipping electronics more complicated. We are working with UPS to solve the issues at the moment.


I'm starting to consider asking for a refund, these were meant to ship in 2016 and I'm beginning to question if I should just wait for the official launch
Message: Posted by: Magic KL (Jan 12, 2017 03:34PM)
Didn't they say no refund?
Message: Posted by: funnyclown (Jan 12, 2017 03:48PM)
Just be patient Sashac. Their obviously trying to work it out with UPS.



[quote]On Jan 12, 2017, Sashac wrote:
Message about shipping:

Hi Sasha

We apologize for the delay. Recently a new regulation just pass and it made shipping electronics more complicated. We are working with UPS to solve the issues at the moment.


I'm starting to consider asking for a refund, these were meant to ship in 2016 and I'm beginning to question if I should just wait for the official launch [/quote]
Message: Posted by: MR Effecto (Jan 12, 2017 05:56PM)
Its called stalling. Why would they have issues with UPS??
Message: Posted by: funnyclown (Jan 12, 2017 06:07PM)
Sending electronic with lithium battery is a big issue when shipping with UPS and USPS. It's one of the questions they ask you when you ship stuff.


[quote]On Jan 12, 2017, MR Effecto wrote:
Its called stalling. Why would they have issues with UPS?? [/quote]
Message: Posted by: theconjuror (Jan 12, 2017 06:35PM)
I keep forgetting I have an account here and have been trying to contact SM through other means... anyway, if the problem is with shipping a lithium battery, its only if it is not GROUND. I wonder if they will ship the ones for the US and Canada, Ground to please the customers.... I've been patiently waiting on my watches and I didn't know TMC was an official means of communicating with the buyers, otherwise I would have been coming here instead of emailing SM. I hope this happens soon!
Message: Posted by: MR Effecto (Jan 12, 2017 06:45PM)
You can order batteries with Amazon
Message: Posted by: Will Tsai (Jan 12, 2017 07:17PM)
Hello folks, it's Will here. I am buried at the moment but just want to keep all up to date and as well as answer a few questions here.

Packages for the initial backers are all ready and going out slowly due to unexpected custom situation. We've finally solved the electronic and lithium issues. And we are caught with the refills at the moment. The refill that comes with the product looks like small syringes under scanner. And many countries have restrictions over syringe-type of goods. We were caught by this unexpectedly and we are working nights and days tightly with the carrier trying to overcome the issue with permit and get the product to you properly and safely. I wish they could have told us all these when we were working the lithium issues out... I personally apologize for the extended wait. I am suppose to be on a flight for an oversea engagement today but I have decided to push the schedule for as many days as I can to personally supervise and get the Vapr Watches out to our supporters. Please bear with us my friends.

[b]FunnyClown[/b] and [b]Tazbo[/b] : The battery model supplied by Seiko has their own private code that's why when you emailed, our Support Desk weren't able to offer useful information. I personally looked into it for you. In the state, it's called the SR626SW(377) , 1.55V . I am no battery expert, but according to Seiko, some of those mixed brand you'd find online are supplied from China. And the one they supplied are off the capacity they claimed on the packaging. The ones through Seiko are all properly tested and they recommended highly to use the ones from them. But then again, the information is provided here so you have the option of getting it elsewhere.

[b]Alex DLF[/b] : Good to see you here again too. It's been four years and it's as ready as we can afford to make it; hence the crowd funding project.

[b]FunnyClown[/b] : You know everything about the Vapr Watch. I am honoured!

[b]MR Effecto[/b] : Each product on the market has their own perks. In our trailer we tried the best we can to explain what it does. Whether if it's better or not is objective and we leave that for people to decide if what we have done fits their needs or solves any issues.

[b]Wayne Liew[/b] : Yes the main unit is charged via USB. The TIME PIECE is battery operated, which it's designed in a way you don't have to go to a watch maker and can easily swap yourself. It'd be odd if you bring it to the watch maker we thought.. :)

[b]Shadowness[/b] : Hi, with respect to your defending post, I just like to ask you to keep the conversation civil as there's no need to insult anyone. I am happy you have strong feeling that your friend's item works best for you. If it works that's all it matters. If you want to express your passion to support a friend, you'll be able to locate his thread with search function.

[b]MR Effecto[/b] : We don't have issues with UPS. Both sides are trying very hard and working closely trying to make this happen, legally, properly, and safely. Again thank you for your patience. If you are impatient to wait and would like to purchase the item at full price (when and if the campaign succeeds), please give us a shout and we'd refund you in full no questions ask.

[b]theconjuror[/b] : Please refer to the top of this message.

[b]Matthew Crabtree[/b] : Hi Matthew once again we apologize as we weren't frankly expecting all these unexpected international shipping issues. This is a design that's first of its kind and we wish there was more we could have done or been told by the carriers ahead of time. Again thank you for bearing with us.

Have a great one folks. Now I am back into trying to get the watches out to ya. Have a good one folks!

-Will
Message: Posted by: Wayne Liew (Jan 12, 2017 07:43PM)
[quote]On Jan 12, 2017, Bill Hegbli wrote:
[quote]On Jan 10, 2017, Wayne Liew wrote:
[quote]On Jan 10, 2017, ash2arani wrote:
Rare or not, why not share the information.

And if these batteries are not easily obtainable or this is a risk of no batteries available in few months or year, then I have to say this is a case of bad design. The power to run this gadget is key and without it, all the unique selling points of this very ambitious project are moot. Well maybe not the aesthetics because it is a nice watch.

I am sure we will get more information soon.

I hope we get new info on shipping and batch #2 onwards. [/quote]

FYI, the refill battery is merely for the timepiece to run. If not mistaken, they did mention in one of their posts that the smoke producing mechanism is charged using USB.
Hope this answer your doubt :)

Wayne [/quote]


If this is true, then what runs the smoke device, is it not the/a battery? Where is the smoke device battery stored? You can't charge nothing, it has to be a battery, right?

Ever hear of rechargeable batteries. USB charges the battery in the watch. Watches, Tablets, Phones, all have rechargeable batteries in them. The batteries only last about a year or a little more. That is why you need to replace them.

The battery still need to be changed every week, when not in use, otherwise the battery will drain completely and need replacement more often. [/quote]

Hi Bill,

My previous comment was solely based on what they posted. I have no factual information regarding the internal mechanism of the watch. I believe I am as curious as all the other Cafť members :)

However, talking about rechargeable batteries, the batteries in my phone and tablet are still working fine after 3years of constant use. I have yet to come across any not-cheaply-made rechargeable device that its battery only lasts a year or a little more. That being said, still, I do not have solid information regarding VAPR watch and have no intention to speculate as everything will be explained when the parcel arrives.
My 2cents.

Wayne
Message: Posted by: funnyclown (Jan 12, 2017 08:09PM)
Hello Will Tsai,

I think I found some Energizers that seem to be the correct battery. They are available in America at Target. Is this the correct battery? I trust Energizers. They make good batteries!


http://www.target.com/p/energizer-silver-oxide-377-battery-2-count/-/A-13740854?sid=1304S&ref=tgt_adv_XS000000&AFID=google_pla_df&CPNG=PLA_Electronics+Shopping_Local&adgroup=SC_Electronics&LID=700000001170770pgs&network=g&device=m&location=9032283&gclid=CjwKEAiA79zDBRCgyf2FgeiY-CESJABzr0BM7_9GiRHogz2oft5nkpalh8cHkXVKjUSIT2FJd5R2wxoCMC7w_wcB&gclsrc=aw.ds








[quote]On Jan 12, 2017, Will Tsai wrote:
Hello folks it's Will here. I am buried at the moment but just want to keep all up to date and as well as answer a few questions here.

Packages for the initial backers are all ready and going out slowly due to unexpected custom situation. We've finally solved the electronic and lithium issues. And we are caught with the refills at the moment. The refill that comes with the product looks like small syringes under scanner. And many countries have restrictions over syringe-type of goods. We were caught by this unexpectedly and we are working nights and days tightly with the carrier trying to overcome the issue with permit and get the product to you properly and safely. I wish they could have told us all these when we were working the lithium issues out... I personally apologize for the extended wait. I am suppose to be on a flight for an oversea engagement today but I have decided to push the schedule for as many days as I can to personally supervise and get the Vapr Watches out to our supporters. Please bear with us my friends.

FunnyClown and Tazbo : The battery model supplied by Seiko has their own private code that's why when you emailed, our Support Desk weren't able to offer useful information. I personally looked into it for you. In the state, it's called the SR626SW(377) , 1.55V . I am no battery expert, but according to Seiko, some of those mixed brand you'd find online are supplied from China. And the one they supplied are off the capacity they claimed on the packaging. The ones through Seiko are all properly tested and they recommended highly to use the ones from them. But then again, the information is provided here so you have the option of getting it elsewhere.

Alex DLF : Good to see you here again too. It's been four years and it's as ready as we can afford to make it; hence the crowd funding project.

FunnyClown : You know everything about the Vapr Watch. I am honoured!

MR Effecto : Each product on the market has their own perks. In our trailer we tried the best we can to explain what it does. Whether if it's better or not is objective and we leave that for people to decide if what we have done fits their needs or solves any issues.

Wayne Liew : Yes the main unit is charged via USB. The TIME PIECE is battery operated, which it's designed in a way you don't have to go to a watch maker and can easily swap yourself. It'd be odd if you bring it to the watch maker we thought.. :)

Shadowness : Hi, with respect to your defending post, I just like to ask you to keep the conversation civil as there's no need to insult anyone. I am happy you have strong feeling that your friend's item works best for you. If it works that's all it matters. If you want to express your passion to support a friend, you'll be able to locate his thread with search function.

MR Effecto : We don't have issues with UPS. Both sides are trying very hard and working closely trying to make this happen, legally, properly, and safely. Again thank you for your patience. If you are impatient to wait and would like to purchase the item at full price (when and if the campaign succeeds), please give us a shout and we'd refund you in full no questions ask.

theconjuror : Please refer to the top of this message.

Matthew Crabtree : Hi Matthew once again we apologize as we weren't frankly expecting all these unexpected international shipping issues. This is a design that's first of its kind and we wish there was more we could have done or been told by the carriers ahead of time. Again thank you for bearing with us.

Have a great one folks. Now I am back into trying to get the watches out to ya. Have a good one folks!
-will [/quote]
Message: Posted by: WizTom (Jan 12, 2017 11:06PM)
Thank you Will! :-) Looking forward to it! :-)
Message: Posted by: StarManager (Jan 12, 2017 11:54PM)
Will - Your video states "SHIPING WORLDWIDE NOW"- I bought one but have not heard anything about my order shipping. What is the expected timeline for shipping? I ordered in early January. Looks great. Appreciate the direct sales approach. Jonathan Todd Excelsior
Message: Posted by: funnyclown (Jan 13, 2017 12:48AM)
If you received an email that you were one of the first 300 they are starting to ship those now. If you are not one of the first 300 you will get it first come first serve throughout 2017. Each one is hand assembled one at a time. The first 300 were preassembled before the campaign started.
Message: Posted by: funnyclown (Jan 13, 2017 12:57AM)
I just got this email from SansMinds.
It had this in subject line :First 300 VAPR Watch shipping updates

Hello everyone,

Thank you for your support in SansMinds Magic and in VAPR Watch.

Many of you might have missed our last email so here is a quick recap update regarding the status of VAPR Watch shipping.

We are encountering some setback for shipping your VAPR Watches due to a new regulation about shipping batteries and electronic items. On top of that, our VAPR Watch Refill container design looks like a syringe under x-ray, which raised another red flag during customs clearance.

We are working closely with UPS as they prepare additional licenses, permits and certificates to ship out the package.

The estimated time for additional documentation will take an additional 2 to 3 weeks. Our estimate is the last week of January or the first week of February.

We sincerely thank you for your patience and support. If you have any additional questions, feel free to reach out to us by replying to this email.

-SansMinds team
Message: Posted by: theconjuror (Jan 13, 2017 07:04AM)
Well Will, they are going out slowly? Does that mean some are currently shipping? you're right over the border for the states, so Some could say we could drive up and get it....lol
Message: Posted by: Will Tsai (Jan 13, 2017 02:28PM)
Hey folks, I am here to assist and answer a couple questions.

[b]FunnyClown[/b] : Yes it's 377. I haven't tried them to tell you for sure but the model number is 377. Energized is a good brand and I'd be comfortable using them myself.

[b]WizTom[/b] : Thank you too my friend.

[b]StarManager[/b] : If you have made it to the first 300, we are dong our best to get it out the door to you with some unexpected custom issues addressed above. Please do check your mailbox and find attached information.

[b]theconjuror[/b] : Technically you can. But right now our team is exhausted in dealing with the current issue, if you are coming over to pick up, you might need to set up an appointment with the team as we don't have a brick and motor place for people to visit. We can have arrangements made for sure.

Hope this helps folks.

-Will
Message: Posted by: Magic KL (Jan 13, 2017 04:24PM)
Will, are you serious about in-person pick up? I live really close to you guys.
Message: Posted by: Xcath1 (Jan 13, 2017 04:37PM)
Sounds like you may have yours first Magic KL. We await a report
Message: Posted by: theconjuror (Jan 13, 2017 04:41PM)
<------3 hours away
Message: Posted by: Magic KL (Jan 13, 2017 10:31PM)
[quote]On Jan 13, 2017, Xcath1 wrote:
Sounds like you may have yours first Magic KL. We await a report [/quote]

I don't mind being the first one 😁, and do a honest review for you guys. But...I need to place my order first. To be honest, I am still on the fence...maybe I can pick them up for you guys and send them out with your preferred shipping method. Haha.
Message: Posted by: theconjuror (Jan 13, 2017 10:34PM)
[quote]On Jan 13, 2017, Magic KL wrote:
[quote]On Jan 13, 2017, Xcath1 wrote:
Sounds like you may have yours first Magic KL. We await a report [/quote]

I don't mind being the first one 😁, and do a honest review for you guys. But...I need to place my order first. To be honest, I am still on the fence...maybe I can pick them up for you guys and send them out with your preferred shipping method. Haha. [/quote]



darnit!
Message: Posted by: medievalmagician (Jan 14, 2017 03:08PM)
Placed my order, now I wait! :)
Message: Posted by: StarManager (Jan 14, 2017 03:53PM)
[quote]On Jan 13, 2017, Will Tsai wrote:
Hey folks, I am here to assist and answer a couple questions.

FunnyClown : Yes it's 377. I haven't tried them to tell you for sure but the model number is 377. Energized is a good brand and I'd be comfortable using them myself.

WizTom : Thank you too my friend.

StarManager : If you have made it to the first 300, we are dong our best to get it out the door to you with some unexpected custom issues addressed above. Please do check your mailbox and find attached information.

theconjuror : Technically you can. But right now our team is exhausted in dealing with the current issue, if you are coming over to pick up, you might need to set up an appointment with the team as we don't have a brick and motor place for people to visit. We can have arrangements made for sure.

Hope this helps folks.

-will [/quote]
Message: Posted by: StarManager (Jan 14, 2017 03:55PM)
[quote]On Jan 13, 2017, Will Tsai wrote:
Hey folks, I am here to assist and answer a couple questions.

FunnyClown : Yes it's 377. I haven't tried them to tell you for sure but the model number is 377. Energized is a good brand and I'd be comfortable using them myself.

WizTom : Thank you too my friend.

StarManager : If you have made it to the first 300, we are dong our best to get it out the door to you with some unexpected custom issues addressed above. Please do check your mailbox and find attached information.

theconjuror : Technically you can. But right now our team is exhausted in dealing with the current issue, if you are coming over to pick up, you might need to set up an appointment with the team as we don't have a brick and motor place for people to visit. We can have arrangements made for sure.

Hope this helps folks.

-will [/quote]


Will - We all appreciate the direct, fast response on our questions. The best thing that can be done when problems or timing issues happen, is to communicate. You are doing that. Thank you!
Message: Posted by: Will Tsai (Jan 14, 2017 09:25PM)
Hey guys it's Will here!

[b]Magic KL[/b] : Yes. But if you haven't made your purchase, the current units are all out though. The remaining is for pledging the campaign to make the project happen, for that you get to purchase at wholesale price.

[b]medievalmagician[/b] : Thanks for the support my friend.

[b]StarManager[/b] : Always trying. We've been keeping our supporters informed via email. Thought the Cafť' is the perfect place to answer some prompt questons :)

Some people are starting to get theres. That's a good sign! Meantime we are working as hard as we can to deal with custom issues from different locations. Please bear with us. Although the ball is not in our court now, we believe we are very close to solving the issues. Thanks again guys. :)

-Will
Message: Posted by: ash2arani (Jan 14, 2017 09:33PM)
That is great news Will. Thank you for the timely feedback.

I am not sure if I missed this, but are all purchases beyond the first 300 (which are already claimed) be fulfilled after the campaign cuts off or is there a chance before?

And if after, are there any expected timeframe for fulfilling the campaign supporters?

Thank you again for the continued updates. :)
Message: Posted by: theconjuror (Jan 14, 2017 09:35PM)
Since the 300 was pushed back, will the crowdfunding get extended?
Message: Posted by: pelicantrapper (Jan 15, 2017 02:37AM)
Some people are receiving theirs? I have been confirmed as an original one of 300 backers and my latest update is 2- 3 weeks? Order still "processing". It should be shipped by now.
Message: Posted by: niva (Jan 15, 2017 02:45AM)
Please read a couple posts up!
Message: Posted by: pelicantrapper (Jan 15, 2017 02:48AM)
I understand. I have read this entire thread. I'm just saying. If people are starting to receive theirs. I should be among one of them and we probably would have seen a review somewhere by now. Or at least the 300 backers should have received a separate email notification that orders are being shipped out instead of the last update of 2-3 weeks.
Thanks.
Message: Posted by: Xcath1 (Jan 15, 2017 06:25PM)
Maybe someone in Canada has one eh?
Message: Posted by: Magicalos (Jan 16, 2017 11:38AM)
Kinda of tempted to get one of these, but I think ill wait until after I attend magi-fest this year since its at the end of january
Message: Posted by: StarManager (Jan 16, 2017 03:39PM)
Will - any way you can approximate without committing to when the first 300 and the ones following are likely to get their units? Anything concrete will help all be calm and get more to trust in this process. Just a suggestion.
Message: Posted by: regimbeaup (Jan 17, 2017 04:17AM)
Anyone looking to order this and share shipping cost, which are 140$? So far, two of us based in London / Paris (going to Paris often).
Let me know as soon as possible pls
Thanks !
Message: Posted by: MikeTheKid (Jan 17, 2017 11:32AM)
Its very good !!!! I have seen it :D
Message: Posted by: theconjuror (Jan 17, 2017 12:22PM)
[quote]On Jan 17, 2017, MikeTheKid wrote:
Its very good !!!! I have seen it :D [/quote]



But do you own one?
Message: Posted by: Magicalos (Jan 17, 2017 02:55PM)
[quote]On Jan 17, 2017, MikeTheKid wrote:
Its very good !!!! I have seen it :D [/quote]


what does the smoke look like? is it thin? or does it look nice and thick?
Message: Posted by: codydavismagic (Jan 17, 2017 06:02PM)
Got an email and this says, "We were able to get proper permits and license for some countries, so some of you may receive your units very soon. Due to restrictions in certain countries, we had to change to specialty carriers for you. We will be contacting you individually to give you the tracking number and where you can track your package. You can expect an email by the end of this week." Hopefully this includes the USA! I hope I get my watch soon!
Message: Posted by: medievalmagician (Jan 17, 2017 06:41PM)
Will - with the order of the Collector Package, do you get 2 remote units? 1 for each watch?
Message: Posted by: StarManager (Jan 17, 2017 07:11PM)
I heard yes on two watches and two remotes.
Message: Posted by: ceme20 (Jan 18, 2017 03:47AM)
I have not yet decided on a vapr watch , but I have been following all the posts and feel like I know many of you. I wish everyone the best in this venture and hope to read many great stories of how good the vapr watch is. I have used Magic Smoke for serveral years with wonderful success but am always in the market for something new. I will be very interested in how this story continues. All the Best to everyone!
Michael
Message: Posted by: Magicalos (Jan 18, 2017 09:33AM)
[quote]On Jan 18, 2017, ceme20 wrote:
I have not yet decided on a vapr watch , but I have been following all the posts and feel like I know many of you. I wish everyone the best in this venture and hope to read many great stories of how good the vapr watch is. I have used Magic Smoke for serveral years with wonderful success but am always in the market for something new. I will be very interested in how this story continues. All the Best to everyone!
Michael [/quote]


i also own magic smoke and am hesitant to buy vapr watch....id like to see what the smoke is like on the vapr watch (a real video of it fully charged and such) in comparison to mystery smoke
Message: Posted by: Magicalos (Jan 18, 2017 11:13AM)
Er my mistake mystery smoke is what I have
Message: Posted by: regimbeaup (Jan 19, 2017 10:59AM)
Any buyers out of London/Paris to share shipping costs?
Message: Posted by: movemonkey (Jan 19, 2017 05:55PM)
Why the shipping cost are 140 dollars, can someone explain that cost??
Message: Posted by: MagieLucas (Jan 19, 2017 08:30PM)
I really really want this but don't think I can get it easily in my home town. is there anyone in the u.s willing to get one and send over to me if I pay them for shipping? cheaper?
Message: Posted by: MagieLucas (Jan 19, 2017 08:31PM)
Or maybe some one is coming to visit soon???
Message: Posted by: Puzzlemaker (Jan 20, 2017 08:57AM)
So much money for shipping costs and nobody get it. Lol. Ups..must turn off my Lynx Smoke.
Message: Posted by: ash2arani (Jan 20, 2017 09:29AM)
As per January 17th infographic, there are 374 watches sold. Surely a long way to go for the 2000 before the campaign ends on Feb 15th.

So if the campaign fails, what changes? I mean will they simply make 74 pieces for example? What happens to support and warranty? What is the delay for these 74 and counting? Or do we simply get refunds and an apology for an unsuccessful campaign?

I like this project but I really hope we can hear more about the non-300 supporters and what is in store for them. Maybe that will help people make the jump and back the project.

I am looking forward to clarifications and further updates in the days to come.
Message: Posted by: Xcath1 (Jan 20, 2017 09:54AM)
I think Will laid out all the plans for the 300 and beyond on the webiste pretty clearly however I feel your pain about the uncertainty. It did seem pretty clear that their intention is if they took your money you will get a watch or your money back. However support for technology is never perfect or forever, just look at the pebble watch or any 3 year old computer for that matter.
Message: Posted by: Xcath1 (Jan 20, 2017 09:55AM)
I'm in the first 300 in the US and still waiting to hear definitively when a I will get my watch
Message: Posted by: ash2arani (Jan 20, 2017 10:09AM)
It seems the website has been updated with newer information. My bad for not checking there first.

All is clear now. :)
Message: Posted by: StarManager (Jan 21, 2017 08:44PM)
Earlier this month the cutoff date was set to Feb 15. The announced sold is over 300 and under 400 so far. The thread here now has the statement: "LAUNCHING PACKAGES AVAILABLE TODAY DEC 27TH: 1 Gold VAPR Watch or 1 Black VAPR Watch (retail value $249.95 USD) PLUS 10 Refill Packs (retail value $280.95 USD) ONLY $350.00 USD (Save over $180.00 USD) "

the question is - Have some or all of the first 300 been shipped as of Dec 27? Are the packages available to preorder but not ship yet? When do the first 300 ship and when do the 301-400 units ship?

I have paid and want to get a feeling for timeline which is very unclear on the site here and at the parent site.

Thank you!
Message: Posted by: Xcath1 (Jan 22, 2017 02:18AM)
The latest on the website

Important: Please beware that due to the new lithium batteries restriction and our refill container, we are experiencing delays at customs clearance. The estimated time for delivery might be delay to after January but before our campaign ends (Feburary 15, 2017.) - See more at: http://www.sansminds.com/index.php/vapr-watch-1/vapr-watch.html?options=cart#sthash.k0b6ILZ8.dpuf

I would,be surprised if post 300 hundred orders went out before spring but of course I am just guessing. If there are "circumstances beyond their control" there is no telling when the product will ship. I am still pretty certain I will receive my watches but would not bet on when.
Message: Posted by: ash2arani (Jan 22, 2017 02:54AM)
The post-300 are promised some time in 2017 as per the website.

So they have till December 31st, 2017.

Hopefully it is much sooner. I cannot wait.
Message: Posted by: Will Tsai (Jan 22, 2017 12:03PM)
Hello friends here, sorry for not updating like I used to. I am currently infected by virus and can hardly stay awake for more than 15 mins a day. Been struggling a little bit here. I was told that we have been receiving exciting feedbacks from supporters who received the unit. So I assume more people will get it within the week. Just keeping all posted. I'll try to post another update next time I am awake..

-will
Message: Posted by: theconjuror (Jan 22, 2017 12:08PM)
[quote]On Jan 22, 2017, Will Tsai wrote:
Hello friends here, sorry for not updating like I used to. I am currently infected by virus and can hardly stay awake for more than 15 mins a day. Been struggling a little bit here. I was told that we have been receiving exciting feedbacks from supporters who received the unit. So I assume more people will get it within the week. Just keeping all posted. I'll try to post another update next time I am awake..

-will [/quote]


Well, I hope you feel better soon! It would be nice to get an email update every few days from the crew. It's been about 5 days since I've last heard from them
Message: Posted by: TazBo (Jan 22, 2017 12:48PM)
They said there will be an update by this weekend. I haven't heard anything?
Message: Posted by: funnyclown (Jan 22, 2017 01:35PM)
I'm assuming no one in the Cafť has received a notice yet. But if anyone has please let us know. I'm in the 300 and I haven't received any shipping details yet. I'm in California so there shouldn't be too many shipping issues.
Message: Posted by: StarManager (Jan 22, 2017 04:20PM)
Feel better Will. We ned you well so you can build VAPR - ;-)
Message: Posted by: MR Effecto (Jan 22, 2017 07:34PM)
Don't hold your breath guys
Message: Posted by: Alan Rorrison (Jan 23, 2017 08:29AM)
Mine arrived today but I believe I was with in the first 10 backers.. it's been on my wrist all morning and I'll give you guys some thoughts on it after I've gave it some good real world use
Message: Posted by: Xcath1 (Jan 23, 2017 09:37AM)
Alan got it. Supercool!
Message: Posted by: TazBo (Jan 23, 2017 10:18AM)
[quote]On Jan 23, 2017, Alan Rorrison wrote:
Mine arrived today but I believe I was with in the first 10 backers.. it's been on my wrist all morning and I'll give you guys some thoughts on it after I've gave it some good real world use [/quote]

Alan, did you get a notification that it was being sent out to you before you received it?
Message: Posted by: Alan Rorrison (Jan 23, 2017 10:40AM)
I didn't check mate.. I tend to use an address ive set up for spam for that stuff. I just take a note of the order number incase there are any issues.
Message: Posted by: StarManager (Jan 23, 2017 02:15PM)
Alan - heard they are radioactive. You should take it off immediately for health concerns and send it to me so I can de-radiate it - should take about a year and then will send it right back to you . . . . Just thinking of your health, mate! ;-)

So jealous!
Message: Posted by: Alan Rorrison (Jan 23, 2017 04:49PM)
I'm gonna have to pass up on your offer. It does however to what they advertise. Really nice piece of kit that in will use
Message: Posted by: funnyclown (Jan 23, 2017 07:23PM)
Alan,

1. Does the Watch overheat when you use the smoke for a long time?

2. I'm assuming there is a tube that you need to line up from the Watch to your wrist. Is there anything else you need to hide or is it all self contained?

3. Is the Watch 100% silent as advertised?

4. How long does the Watch exhaust smoke before you need to recharge it?

5. Did you receive the extra piece or does your Watch not have the extra piece? If yes can you tell us if the extra piece is important and adds some value to the Watch?

6. Is there anything that surprised you about the Watch? Was there anything you felt was not covered in the video that you wished you knew about before you received the Watch?

7. Does the smoke look as thick and beautiful as shown in video? Does the stream of smoke really burst into a beautiful puff of smoke in the palm of your hands as shown in video?

8. Is there anything that your disappointed about after testing the Watch?

9. Is it easy to change the Watch battery?

10. Do you own the Lynx Watch? How does it compare?




[quote]On Jan 23, 2017, Alan Rorrison wrote:
I'm gonna have to pass up on your offer. It does however to what they advertise. Really nice piece of kit that in will use [/quote]
Message: Posted by: Alan Rorrison (Jan 23, 2017 08:38PM)
1. Does the Watch overheat when you use the smoke for a long time?( not that ive noticed)

2. I'm assuming there is a tube that you need to line up from the Watch to your wrist. Is there anything else you need to hide or is it all self contained? ( the demo shows all that man.. its exactly as it shows you there so there are no supprises)

3. Is the Watch 100% silent as advertised? ( the advertisment says the pump is silent and it is. There is a little noise as the air/vaper leave the pipe which you will never be able to avoid but its by far the quietest of this style smoke device I have ever used)

4. How long does the Watch exhaust smoke before you need to recharge it? ( if you leave the smoke side of the watch on all day... you will get a day. if you turn it off when not in use then around 2 weeks id think.. )

5. Did you receive the extra piece or does your Watch not have the extra piece? If yes can you tell us if the extra piece is important and adds some value to the Watch? ( I have it... it helps)

6. Is there anything that surprised you about the Watch? Was there anything you felt was not covered in the video that you wished you knew about before you received the Watch? ( no)

7. Does the smoke look as thick and beautiful as shown in video? Does the stream of smoke really burst into a beautiful puff of smoke in the palm of your hands as shown in video? ( the video says it delivers a thick smoke to your palm and when set up correctly it does... set up is super easy)

8. Is there anything that your disappointed about after testing the Watch?( not really.)

9. Is it easy to change the Watch battery? ( really easy)

10. Do you own the Lynx Watch? How does it compare?( I had both and sold them both with in a day... you can tell vprwatch has had years of development.)




[quote]On Jan 23, 2017, Alan Rorrison wrote:
I'm gonna have to pass up on your offer. It does however to what they advertise. Really nice piece of kit that in will use [/quote] [/quote]
Message: Posted by: funnyclown (Jan 23, 2017 08:47PM)
Thanks for update Alan. This is great news!!
Message: Posted by: Chris Jones (Jan 23, 2017 09:03PM)
I've got a question. Did you pay for the watch?
Message: Posted by: Alan Rorrison (Jan 23, 2017 09:08PM)
Of course man.
Message: Posted by: StarManager (Jan 23, 2017 09:53PM)
Alan and Funyclown - thank you both for the info. Good questions from Funnyclown. Appreciated.
Message: Posted by: theconjuror (Jan 23, 2017 11:25PM)
Scotland got them before us and Canada? :-(
Message: Posted by: knownmagician (Jan 24, 2017 07:23AM)
Hi Alan,

I think you did not specific answer the no.7 question about the thickness of the smoke.

Is it not thick enough?
Message: Posted by: Alan Rorrison (Jan 24, 2017 09:49AM)
I do answer that. Rather clearly too.
Message: Posted by: Xcath1 (Jan 24, 2017 10:31AM)
I Believe all of the answers are in parentheses. It was nice of Alan to take the time to do this. I do have to wonder Alan if you got your watch a little earlier as a creator and friend of SansMinds but I look forward to getting mine.
Message: Posted by: Alan Rorrison (Jan 24, 2017 12:15PM)
I don't know about that man. I ordered it like anyone else... Ive had a day to fully play with it today. I said before you could hear a little air from the tube which is to be expected but forget that. its on relevent in a silent room. Any where in the real world it just not audible.
Message: Posted by: movemonkey (Jan 24, 2017 01:43PM)
So only the 300 guys who ordered first will get their watches in frebruary, how many more months will wait the others??
Message: Posted by: Magic KL (Jan 24, 2017 01:43PM)
Thanks, Alan. It sounds so good~
Message: Posted by: funnyclown (Jan 24, 2017 02:05PM)
Hey Vapr Watch owners,

The private official Facebook group for Vapr Watch owners just got opened to us today.


https://m.facebook.com/groups/1146416848739368?ref=bookmarks
Message: Posted by: funnyclown (Jan 24, 2017 11:05PM)
This is pretty cool !!
New Vapr watch video
https://youtu.be/kLXmHqn_u9o
Message: Posted by: Magicalos (Jan 24, 2017 11:24PM)
Can we see a video of smoke use in real life please?
Message: Posted by: FelixKraus (Jan 25, 2017 12:22AM)
I GOT MINE! I was upset that my status is still Pending. I backed the project on the first day. It's weird that it's STILL showing PENDING. Not complaining because I received it. Sharing this info so if any of you are also showing Processing it could be already on its way too. I'll play with it and let you guys know how it goes.
Message: Posted by: AndreaMooreMagic (Jan 25, 2017 12:39AM)
Mine just arrived too. I couldn't find the instruction and they emailed over two links. Why couldn't they just make DVDs... I haven't played with it yet because I don't want to break anythings. Will go through the instruction first. I am already impressed with the watch. It's not a cheap toy watch at all. It's very well built and feels rather expensive. My wife bought me a very nice $1000 watch for our anniversary. The details and quality of this watch almost feel better.. That's a good start. I'll post an honest review and see if this really lives up the hype.
Message: Posted by: kiketron (Jan 25, 2017 01:12AM)
Mine shipped today. I have shipping notification.
It shows carrier is DHL and not UPS

It seems that's the way they solved shipping issues then.
I'm based at Spain
Message: Posted by: Xcath1 (Jan 25, 2017 03:29AM)
Glad to hear it's in some hands. Any of you guys in the US?
Message: Posted by: theconjuror (Jan 25, 2017 03:41AM)
[quote]On Jan 25, 2017, Xcath1 wrote:
Glad to hear it's in some hands. Any of you guys in the US? [/quote]


Rich says North America should start shipping next week
Message: Posted by: funnyclown (Jan 25, 2017 07:34AM)
Detailed review on Wizards Product Review with up close on the inside workings of watch. Also details on the secret extra piece.
All I can say is WOW! Clearly a top quality product.

https://youtu.be/2IdVHicyXUs
Message: Posted by: Bill Hegbli (Jan 25, 2017 11:53AM)
[quote]On Jan 25, 2017, funnyclown wrote:
Detailed review on Wizards Product Review with up close on the inside workings of watch. Also details on the secret extra piece.
All I can say is WOW! Clearly a top quality product.

[youtube]2IdVHicyXUs[/youtube]
[/quote]

Get a real look at the product, David Penn likes it!
Message: Posted by: ash2arani (Jan 25, 2017 12:01PM)
This is a great review for a great product! I am looking forward to this. Kudos to Sans Minds for such an impressive work and even more impressive product.
Message: Posted by: Yuan Moons (Jan 25, 2017 12:59PM)
How is it that every time Will Tsai releases something he looks younger!!
Message: Posted by: theconjuror (Jan 25, 2017 01:32PM)
[quote]On Jan 25, 2017, Yuan Moons wrote:
How is it that every time Will Tsai releases something he looks younger!! [/quote]


I say he's a vampire
Message: Posted by: kiketron (Jan 25, 2017 02:48PM)
[quote]On Jan 25, 2017, theconjuror wrote:
[quote]On Jan 25, 2017, Yuan Moons wrote:
How is it that every time Will Tsai releases something he looks younger!! [/quote]


I say he's a vampire [/quote]

That's the next trick he will release: The youth's fountain ;)
Message: Posted by: rowland (Jan 25, 2017 03:54PM)
I wonder if anyone will have any at Blackpool
Message: Posted by: Bill Hegbli (Jan 25, 2017 04:39PM)
[quote]On Jan 25, 2017, rowland wrote:
I wonder if anyone will have any at Blackpool [/quote]

If Sans Mind goes to Blackpool then they may have them with them. So far they are not wholesaling them to any jobbers or dealers. Only sold direct currently to get back some of their investment.

David Penn was just so excited, he had to show his new magic trick he just got a few hours before the show. They are not selling them either.

You can go back to the 1st few pages and read the posts on how Sans Mind are selling these watches. It is also explained on their website.
Message: Posted by: Xcath1 (Jan 25, 2017 04:53PM)
Any thought from Sans Minds or others about airport security.
Message: Posted by: AndreaMooreMagic (Jan 25, 2017 07:14PM)
I watched the instruction and took the watch to a meeting earlier. Here's my review.

Watch
The strap is made of smooth rubber. Very comfortable. I'd wear it as my everyday watch. The watch is a blend of two finishes (matt and glossy polish). Very elegant and expensive looking. From the instruction they said it's made of stainless steel and chromed. The watch is impressive but what I like the most is how easy it is to change the battery. It's easier than doing it on your own normal watch. It's a very clever design.

Smoke
I took the watch to a meeting and did some magic (with smoke!). It was a conference room. Lots of smoke and extremely quiet. First time in use I thought it was broken until I started to see the smoke. It's that quiet! The smoke shoots right into my hand. It looks a lot more realistic and doesn't look like smoke is everywhere. The remote makes a lot of sense here. You can have as much smoke as you want if you just keep the remote pressed.

Instruction
It's a very detailed instruction. Everything is well produced and edited. It's still over an hour long. I recommend watching the whole thing first before playing with the watch. It's rather straight forward IF you know what you are doing. Everything is pretty much covered. I feel like they could have also covered how to maintain the watch. For example I'd like to know if I inject the refill into the watch, how much time do I have before the cartridge dries up? One thing bothers me is Will looks younger in every project. He's like 15 now..

Application
Now this is what really impressed me. Vapr Watch is impressive, I knew it before I pressed the buy button. I didn't have much expectation on the quality of the magic they teach. I've seen Will's name here and there. I've never really worked with his material before. I really like the way he thinks. In the application section, Will covers how to produce smoke with one hand, two hands, from spectator's hand, from your mouth, and even from your hand that's NOT wearing the watch. Each application comes with a simple trick to get you started. While Will said these are simple tricks, they are very effective. The trick I did for people is a mental effect from the download. Very powerful stuff. I like the mouth production and ash on arm approach as well. The creativity here is what really impressed me. The tip he offered about two handed production and the science behind how air travels is fascinating. He's a deep thinker and there are so much small details he covered even in these simple tricks. I am a new fan!

Other stuff
There's nothing electronic that's exposed externally. It doesn't over heat like the other one and feels very safe. Everything is built inside of the watch. It's very well made and the design is well thought out. The watch is beautiful. No complains here. It works right out of box. The refill takes a little bit of time but once filled up, it lasts for over 100 puffs!! I can't even imagine doing half of that a night..


Overall 9.8/10

This is the best product in magic I've seen. it's a watch I'd be proud to wear even if it doesn't produce smoke. It functions as advertised the really does live up to the hype. For the price is a bargain. I am so happy with it, I've just pledged for another one and I don't care when I'll receive it. Highly recommended.
Message: Posted by: theconjuror (Jan 25, 2017 07:46PM)
[quote]On Jan 25, 2017, AndreaMooreMagic wrote:
I watched the instruction and took the watch to a meeting earlier. Here's my review.

Watch
The strap is made of smooth rubber. Very comfortable. I'd wear it as my everyday watch. The watch is a blend of two finishes (matt and glossy polish). Very elegant and expensive looking. From the instruction they said it's made of stainless steel and chromed. The watch is impressive but what I like the most is how easy it is to change the battery. It's easier than doing it on your own normal watch. It's a very clever design.

Smoke
I took the watch to a meeting and did some magic (with smoke!). It was a conference room. Lots of smoke and extremely quiet. First time in use I thought it was broken until I started to see the smoke. It's that quiet! The smoke shoots right into my hand. It looks a lot more realistic and doesn't look like smoke is everywhere. The remote makes a lot of sense here. You can have as much smoke as you want if you just keep the remote pressed.

Instruction
It's a very detailed instruction. Everything is well produced and edited. It's still over an hour long. I recommend watching the whole thing first before playing with the watch. It's rather straight forward IF you know what you are doing. Everything is pretty much covered. I feel like they could have also covered how to maintain the watch. For example I'd like to know if I inject the refill into the watch, how much time do I have before the cartridge dries up? One thing bothers me is Will looks younger in every project. He's like 15 now..

Application
Now this is what really impressed me. Vapr Watch is impressive, I knew it before I pressed the buy button. I didn't have much expectation on the quality of the magic they teach. I've seen Will's name here and there. I've never really worked with his material before. I really like the way he thinks. In the application section, Will covers how to produce smoke with one hand, two hands, from spectator's hand, from your mouth, and even from your hand that's NOT wearing the watch. Each application comes with a simple trick to get you started. While Will said these are simple tricks, they are very effective. The trick I did for people is a mental effect from the download. Very powerful stuff. I like the mouth production and ash on arm approach as well. The creativity here is what really impressed me. The tip he offered about two handed production and the science behind how air travels is fascinating. He's a deep thinker and there are so much small details he covered even in these simple tricks. I am a new fan!

Other stuff
There's nothing electronic that's exposed externally. It doesn't over heat like the other one and feels very safe. Everything is built inside of the watch. It's very well made and the design is well thought out. The watch is beautiful. No complains here. It works right out of box. The refill takes a little bit of time but once filled up, it lasts for over 100 puffs!! I can't even imagine doing half of that a night..


Overall 9.8/10

This is the best product in magic I've seen. it's a watch I'd be proud to wear even if it doesn't produce smoke. It functions as advertised the really does live up to the hype. For the price is a bargain. I am so happy with it, I've just pledged for another one and I don't care when I'll receive it. Highly recommended. [/quote]



AWESOMESAUCE! Can't wait for mine!!! Yeah, yeah I can..
Message: Posted by: funnyclown (Jan 25, 2017 07:58PM)
Thank you so much for your very complete review. I'm so excited I'm an early pledger. I can tell what I've seen on the Wizard Product Review and your review that this is truly something special. As many of us know from Will's last email under 500 watches have been sold. The goal being 2000. I strongly recommend any member that is thinking about this purchase or on the fence take the chance. Tell your friends. It's a great price and much cheaper than any smoke watch on the market today. This is a next gen product and if Sansminds doesn't meet their campaign goals you may never have a chance to own one. I'm sure you may find it for sale for twice or three times the price aftermarket. I don't want to see Ssndsminds fail. I want them to succeed so we can see more amazing inventions like this in the future. Congrats Will. Good luck in the campaign.
Message: Posted by: gassaox (Jan 26, 2017 03:48AM)
Hey guys which package is the best to buy as I only want one watch,is the standard package ?or just the watch and the extras ,as I cannot see on website what the standard package is
Thanks
Message: Posted by: mh1001 (Jan 26, 2017 04:39AM)
I just saw the WPR's review of that watch. Although I will not purchase it (smoke, or other special effects not being my kind of stuff), I want to say I'm very impressed after seeing the inside of the watch and how it produces smoke. The smoke in the mouth looks so beautiful. And I like the idea of water becoming ice. So nice.
Message: Posted by: funnyclown (Jan 26, 2017 04:58AM)
I strongly recommend the standard package. The watch by itself comes with one refill package which has seven refills. Each refill gives you 100 puffs of three seconds. So the watch stand alone box by itself will give you about 700 puffs. If you get the standard package offer you will get the one refill pack with seven hundred puffs in the watch box PLUS 10 full refill packs with 7 refills in each pack or 700 puffs TIMES ten. 7000 puffs. That should last you enough for the life of the watch.
Why get that much? Because if this campaign does not reach 2000 watches sold by February 15 they will stop production on the watches and once they sell all there smoke refills that's it. No more smoke packs. As of last week they have sold less than 500 watches. I sincerely hope they succeed in the campaign and continue to support the watch but it's nice to have the extra smoke packs just in case. Also the standard offer gives you the smoke refills at a very good discount. That's my opinion to your question.
Message: Posted by: regimbeaup (Jan 26, 2017 05:04AM)
Hi! anyone willing to purchase this in London/Paris and wants to share shipping costs with us?
Message: Posted by: anton.magician (Jan 26, 2017 05:22AM)
Very sad that Sm still can't to ship to Russia! I don't know why they scare to ship by Priority Canada mail!(
I have a lot of electronis stuff from around the world and never had a problem with a shipping from standard posts!
UPS FEDEX and DHL can't to ship the stuff to private faces in Russia(
I know here is a few customers also want the watches!
Message: Posted by: rowland (Jan 26, 2017 05:35AM)
[quote]On Jan 26, 2017, funnyclown wrote:
I strongly recommend the standard package. The watch by itself comes with one refill package which has seven refills. Each refill gives you 100 puffs of three seconds. So the watch stand alone box by itself will give you about 700 puffs. If you get the standard package offer you will get the one refill pack with seven hundred puffs in the watch box PLUS 10 full refill packs with 7 refills in each pack or 700 puffs TIMES ten. 7000 puffs. That should last you enough for the life of the watch.
Why get that much? Because if this campaign does not reach 2000 watches sold by February 15 they will stop production on the watches and once they sell all there smoke refills that's it. No more smoke packs. As of last week they have sold less than 500 watches. I sincerely hope they succeed in the campaign and continue to support the watch but it's nice to have the extra smoke packs just in case. Also the standard offer gives you the smoke refills at a very good discount. That's my opinion to your question. [/quote]

Just over two weeks to sell 1500 doesn't look good. I see a lot of disappointed owners in the near future if there are no refills or after sales backup. It's a shame if that happens as it does look good. If they are not at Blackpool I think they have missed a trick with about 3500 magicians there they could have got a lot of orders or sales if they had the stock.
Message: Posted by: gassaox (Jan 26, 2017 05:54AM)
[quote]On Jan 26, 2017, funnyclown wrote:
I strongly recommend the standard package. The watch by itself comes with one refill package which has seven refills. Each refill gives you 100 puffs of three seconds. So the watch stand alone box by itself will give you about 700 puffs. If you get the standard package offer you will get the one refill pack with seven hundred puffs in the watch box PLUS 10 full refill packs with 7 refills in each pack or 700 puffs TIMES ten. 7000 puffs. That should last you enough for the life of the watch.
Why get that much? Because if this campaign does not reach 2000 watches sold by February 15 they will stop production on the watches and once they sell all there smoke refills that's it. No more smoke packs. As of last week they have sold less than 500 watches. I sincerely hope they succeed in the campaign and continue to support the watch but it's nice to have the extra smoke packs just in case. Also the standard offer gives you the smoke refills at a very good discount. That's my opinion to your question. [/quote]
Message: Posted by: gassaox (Jan 26, 2017 05:56AM)
Thanks for the information ,you have definetly made my mind up now,thanks
Message: Posted by: ash2arani (Jan 26, 2017 06:00AM)
I do not see the refills being an issue. Yes, if the campaign does not succeed, then their price will probably go up and be less quantity per production run.

The watches on the other hand are an issue with all the details and parts that go into the manufacturing process.

Support for the watch will be an issue and I am not sure how warranty will factor into this whole thing.

I agree, Blackpool would be a blockbuster of an event for them to market this piece of magical gadgetry.

Either way, I really hope to see this campaign succeed and I am hoping for more sales to pour in following the glorious WP review along with others here.
Message: Posted by: funnyclown (Jan 26, 2017 06:21AM)
Rowland,

I've been buying magic for a long time. That's the way magic works. If you like something buy enough for what you may use. Magic never is sold forever. I can think of at least a dozen tricks or props I wish I can buy again today but they are no longer made or sold. I'm sure some people may sell it aftermarket for a collectible price. This is a limited edition item. As people on the Cafť have reported this is possibly one of the best peices of magic technology ever sold. Get it now while you can or it could be gone forever.



[quote]On Jan 26, 2017, rowland wrote:
Just over two weeks to sell 1500 doesn't look good. I see a lot of disappointed owners in the near future if there are no refills or after sales backup. It's a shame if that happens as it does look good. If they are not at Blackpool I think they have missed a trick with about 3500 magicians there they could have got a lot of orders or sales if they had the stock. [/quote]
Message: Posted by: BrainMagos (Jan 26, 2017 07:24AM)
This is basically what the Lynx watch should have been from the start! It is clear SansMinds put a lot more effort, thinking and hard work before releasing this product.
Message: Posted by: rowland (Jan 26, 2017 07:37AM)
[quote]On Jan 26, 2017, funnyclown wrote:
Rowland,

I've been buying magic for a long time. That's the way magic works. If you like something buy enough for what you may use. Magic never is sold forever. I can think of at least a dozen tricks or props I wish I can buy again today but they are no longer made or sold. I'm sure some people may sell it aftermarket for a collectible price. This is a limited edition item. As people on the Cafť have reported this is possibly one of the best peices of magic technology ever sold. Get it now while you can or it could be gone forever.

I agree but with this new technology there are bound to be some that get problems and what happens if come February they cease production. How do they go about repairing them. This is not a cheap trick and they are the only people who will be able to repair it.



[quote]On Jan 26, 2017, rowland wrote:
Just over two weeks to sell 1500 doesn't look good. I see a lot of disappointed owners in the near future if there are no refills or after sales backup. It's a shame if that happens as it does look good. If they are not at Blackpool I think they have missed a trick with about 3500 magicians there they could have got a lot of orders or sales if they had the stock. [/quote] [/quote]
Message: Posted by: Alex DLF (Jan 26, 2017 08:02AM)
After having seen the watch in video, I must agree it looks really good ! I didn't like Sansminds but their Pro Series Range is a piece of beauty, congrats guys :)
Message: Posted by: Magicalos (Jan 26, 2017 08:13AM)
[quote]On Jan 26, 2017, funnyclown wrote:
I strongly recommend the standard package. The watch by itself comes with one refill package which has seven refills. Each refill gives you 100 puffs of three seconds. So the watch stand alone box by itself will give you about 700 puffs. If you get the standard package offer you will get the one refill pack with seven hundred puffs in the watch box PLUS 10 full refill packs with 7 refills in each pack or 700 puffs TIMES ten. 7000 puffs. That should last you enough for the life of the watch.
Why get that much? Because if this campaign does not reach 2000 watches sold by February 15 they will stop production on the watches and once they sell all there smoke refills that's it. No more smoke packs. As of last week they have sold less than 500 watches. I sincerely hope they succeed in the campaign and continue to support the watch but it's nice to have the extra smoke packs just in case. Also the standard offer gives you the smoke refills at a very good discount. That's my opinion to your question. [/quote]

wait what? the standard package gives you 5 refills? so the watch comes with one refill, and getting the standard gives you 5 more...so you get 6 total refill packs with standard....right?....im guessing you bought yours early that's why you got 10 extra refills?
Message: Posted by: niva (Jan 26, 2017 09:18AM)
That watch looks astounding! Can't wait to receive mine? Are they sending any notifications when they are shipped?
Message: Posted by: kiketron (Jan 26, 2017 09:23AM)
[quote]On Jan 26, 2017, niva wrote:
That watch looks astounding! Can't wait to receive mine? Are they sending any notifications when they are shipped? [/quote]


Yes. My tracking says I will get my watches tomorrow
Message: Posted by: funnyclown (Jan 26, 2017 09:28AM)
Whoops, you're correct. I didn't notice when it changed.


[quote]On Jan 26, 2017, Magicalos wrote:

wait what? the standard package gives you 5 refills? so the watch comes with one refill, and getting the standard gives you 5 more...so you get 6 total refill packs with standard....right?....im guessing you bought yours early that's why you got 10 extra refills? [/quote]
Message: Posted by: Magicalos (Jan 26, 2017 09:49AM)
So so far in the reviews no one has mentioned how big it looks actually on the wrist...suppose spectators would realize that smoke could be coming from the large watch on your wrist or anything?
Message: Posted by: niva (Jan 26, 2017 09:53AM)
Then don't buy it mate. You can clearly see how large the watch is on the video.

I don't think the watch is large. Large watches are a trend anyway.
Message: Posted by: MadisonH (Jan 26, 2017 09:54AM)
I am just about convinced to purchase this. But there are a few things I would like to know.

1) How long will the liquid last in the watch without use?

2) If the project doesn't get funded, will refills be available in the future?
Message: Posted by: Magicalos (Jan 26, 2017 10:03AM)
[quote]On Jan 26, 2017, MadisonH wrote:
I am just about convinced to purchase this. But there are a few things I would like to know.

1) How long will the liquid last in the watch without use?

2) If the project doesn't get funded, will refills be available in the future? [/quote]

me too! I'm so close to getting the standard black package plus an extra refill pack!! just trying not to think of 530$ going up in smoke :P I think someone said that leaving the liquid in the watch it doesn't seem to affect how long it would last...if its anything like mystery smoke (i have left liquid in it for months and the unity just off (sitting around) and come back to it and it fires off smoke just fine when I turn it on). I would imagine the refills are the easiest thing to produce....so I'm guessing they will have them available?
Message: Posted by: niva (Jan 26, 2017 10:04AM)
I think 2 was already answered and they said yes. The refills weren't a problem to mass produce. The watch was.

And I believe 1 was answered bu Alan Rorrison above. Not sure though.
Message: Posted by: Magicalos (Jan 26, 2017 10:06AM)
Unit* couldn't edit my post to correct the spelling error
Message: Posted by: Mysterious Mike (Jan 26, 2017 11:47AM)
Looks good, but $51 for shipping in the US? Doesn't seem responsible at all.
Message: Posted by: mh1001 (Jan 26, 2017 11:53AM)
[quote]On Jan 26, 2017, Mysterious Mike wrote:
Looks good, but $51 for shipping in the US? Doesn't seem responsible at all. [/quote]
I wouldn't care so much about the shipping cost if I were you. What matters after all is the total cost. If it's "only" 400 dollars (350+50), it's a pretty good price considering other smoke watches, Lynx Smoke.
Message: Posted by: ash2arani (Jan 26, 2017 11:58AM)
I agree, a good way of looking at it is that this is what the watch costs. Look at it as 401 USD with free shipping in the US.

Normal watches retail for much higher. This is a normal watch that does more.

Given the good initial feedback, I say the only deal breaker (apart from funds availability) would be personal taste and style.
Message: Posted by: Mysterious Mike (Jan 26, 2017 12:01PM)
Points taken.
Message: Posted by: niva (Jan 26, 2017 12:18PM)
[quote]On Jan 26, 2017, Mysterious Mike wrote:
Looks good, but $51 for shipping in the US? Doesn't seem responsible at all. [/quote]


What are you complaining about. I had to pay three times that amount to Europe plus customs charges.
Message: Posted by: Bill Hegbli (Jan 26, 2017 12:43PM)
[quote]On Jan 26, 2017, Mysterious Mike wrote:
Looks good, but $51 for shipping in the US? Doesn't seem responsible at all. [/quote]

It is not in the U.S., it comes from Canada into the U.S., so you may get stuck with more fees if customs flags your package.

I cannot believe it either, but the package is considered coming from a foreign country.
Message: Posted by: codydavismagic (Jan 26, 2017 03:13PM)
In my opinion if it works it is worth it. So far only great reviews and Sansminds has obviously put a ton of work on this. If I had enough money I would purchase the gold version as well. Considering how much time and money they put into this, it's a shame they don't have more supporters yet, and I hope they hit the 2000 mark!
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Message: Posted by: funnyclown (Jan 26, 2017 03:58PM)
Great new review from Paul Romhany

https://www.facebook.com/SansMinds/videos/1593206147357017/
Message: Posted by: reignofsound (Jan 26, 2017 04:21PM)
I was just about to order but $140 to deliver to UK?
Message: Posted by: MR Effecto (Jan 26, 2017 06:11PM)
It does look good. I would love to try one.I might get one but will wait close to a year to see how they hold up. No hurry for me to get one. I have the smart watch and love it.
Message: Posted by: funnyclown (Jan 26, 2017 06:22PM)
They will only be available until February 15 directly on the Sansminds website unless they sell 1500 more watches in the next two weeks. I also own the smart watch.


[quote]On Jan 26, 2017, MR Effecto wrote:
It does look good. I would love to try one.I might get one but will wait close to a year to see how they hold up. No hurry for me to get one. I have the smart watch and love it. [/quote]
Message: Posted by: MR Effecto (Jan 26, 2017 06:32PM)
Then if they stop selling them and wont make anymore then what happens if you need to fix yours or buy a new one? Hate to put time in on new effects and then cant use something.
Message: Posted by: funnyclown (Jan 26, 2017 07:07PM)
Each watch has a three month warranty unless you buy the extended one year warranty for $99 more. But you will not be able to buy the watch after February 15 if the campaign doesn't succeed. Maybe you'll be lucky and they will sell 1500 watches in two weeks.
Message: Posted by: Choi Sin To (Jan 26, 2017 09:59PM)
I was so tempted to click the buy button ,but before I really make it , I want to make clear two things first. Hope someone here can answer my question.

1. I know it's a big watch , but I am an Asian , I got a really slim wrist. I really want to know the exact size of the watch face so that I can estimate if it fit my wrist or not.
2. It's seem to me that the Color of the gold vapr watch varies a lot in different photo and video. I would like to know the actual colour. is the golden colour looks similar to yellow , orange, or golden rose? How can I get the picture which is non edited . So that I could know the acturact colour tone.
Message: Posted by: funnyclown (Jan 26, 2017 11:46PM)
Choi,

You should join the Facebook group. They answer official questions like you're asking pretty fast. Here's the link.

https://m.facebook.com/groups/1146416848739368
Message: Posted by: funnyclown (Jan 27, 2017 12:33AM)
One other thing. Will Tsai has made incredible offer to anyone that would like to pledge before February 15. He said if for any reason you don't want to wait for your watch he will send you 100% of your money back as long as you cancel BEFORE it ships. This means you have no risk and you'll have more time to think about it. At least you'll have your pledge in the queue. That's a pretty sweet offer.
Message: Posted by: Will Tsai (Jan 27, 2017 02:16AM)
Hello folks it's Will here. I am still sick in bed but have received quite a few emails about how impressed and happy people are after receiving the Vapr watch. It's hard to describe my feeling knowing people appreciate the work we've dedicated ourselves to for more than four years. I'd like to take the opportunity and say thank you to all supporters and friends here.

We are hitting 20% of our goal to bring this to mass production. The momentum has picked up a little since people started to receive the watch and shared their thoughts. However we only have so much time left and we need a lot more help. I'd like to personally invite you to spread the words and invite friends and buddies to join us and make this happen. For those who are waiting for other dealers to have it, don't wait, it's already looking very unlikely that that's happening. If it doesn't hit our goal, this is it. And even if it does, the retail is $400. Why and what are you waiting for exactly?

For those who have already pledged, if we can hit our goal, we'll be able to mass produce it and you'll receive your unit A LOT sooner as they'll all be ready together. If the campaign fails, the delivery would be first come first serve throughout the whole year. Please help spread the words.

I am always giving my all trying new things and hoping to make something revolutionary happen. I don't really ask for help as I believe if something is meant to be it'll happen. This is the project that we have managed to pour in the resources at a production scale that magic has never seen. It's a very good thing for magic and our community. If we can make this work, we'd be able to bering our more brilliant and refined tools for all artists at an affordable price. If this campaign fails, this is it. This is a production scale that we can only afford to fail once. Not only the watch won't happen, we'll have to kill quite a few things in our pipeline as we know we won't be able to afford to bring out revolutionary tools for you with this scale of production.

For the first time I'd like to ask for all your help on inviting all magicians to join the event and help us pushing to hit the mark. Let's make this happen my friends. It'd be a fun ride and you deserve the best tools up your sleeve.

-will
Message: Posted by: ♠Sylar♠ (Jan 27, 2017 04:21AM)
Anyone in the uk that wants to order this so we can save on delivery ?
Message: Posted by: ash2arani (Jan 27, 2017 05:33AM)
Thanks Will for the update. Hoping for the best :)
Message: Posted by: Xcath1 (Jan 27, 2017 05:51AM)
I hope,you feel better Will.
In a perfect world more of the early supporters would have had them on their wrist showing them off to magic buddies, wearing them to Magi-fest, etc.
It seems like a lot of watches to sell between now and 2/15. Is that a hard deadline?
I wish you luck
Message: Posted by: TazBo (Jan 27, 2017 06:40AM)
I sent an email to sansminds requesting information regarding shipping date for my order to the UK as I was one of the 300.
As yet I haven't received a reply. Still waiting.
Message: Posted by: Mark8infiniti (Jan 27, 2017 06:41AM)
Hi,

I'm tempted to buy... But, I'm just confused with all the 'campaign workings'. I know I have until FEB 15 to order, but, say if I order today, how long does one have to wait for it to ship? Is it instant? Do they have them ready? Do they have to make them per order? When will I get it?
Message: Posted by: Chris Jones (Jan 27, 2017 06:45AM)
Ok I'll bite. When they don't reach the "mass production" stage, what are they going to do with the watches that are left over? Incinerate them?

I imagine there has never been a plan for mass production as 2000 units is a good seller in magic but panic sure does make a buyer more motivated.
Message: Posted by: kiketron (Jan 27, 2017 07:32AM)
[quote]On Jan 26, 2017i Sin To wrote:
I was so tempted to click the buy button ,but before I really make it , I want to make clear two things first. Hope someone here can answer my question.

1. I know it's a big watch , but I am an Asian , I got a really slim wrist. I really want to know the exact size of the watch face so that I can estimate if it fit my wrist or not.
2. It's seem to me that the Color of the gold vapr watch varies a lot in different photo and video. I would like to know the actual colour. is the golden colour looks similar to yellow , orange, or golden rose? How can I get the picture which is non edited . So that I could know the acturact colour tone. [/quote]


You can see the exact unedited gold tone of the watch and size here:

https://m.facebook.com/groups/1146416848739368
Message: Posted by: Legendary Wizard (Jan 27, 2017 08:31AM)
Anybody's watch didn't come with refill cartridges ?
Message: Posted by: Xcath1 (Jan 27, 2017 08:33AM)
I have a feeling it comes when it comes TazBo
Message: Posted by: TazBo (Jan 27, 2017 11:57AM)
[quote]On Jan 27, 2017, TazBo wrote:
I sent an email to SansMinds requesting information regarding shipping date for my order to the UK as I was one of the 300.
As yet I haven't received a reply. Still waiting. [/quote]

If there is any chance of my delivery before week commencing 13th February as I am heading to Blackpool and would like to promote the watch to anyone who is interested in me showing it to them.
If those who are going to Blackpool don't get their watches before then, then SansMinds will be missing a great opportunity.
Message: Posted by: funnyclown (Jan 27, 2017 12:08PM)
Tazbo, have you joined the Vapr watch Facebook group? Rich Tsai is currently on LIVE right now answering any questions you may have.


I just got some great news from Rich. He said they made 10,000 Vapr watch refills packs which was there minimum order so they will have plenty of refills for a long time. He also said it's easy for them to remake. The fluid used in the watch is a custom unique fluid with zero residue. He said anything else will destroy the watch. The fluid for the watch is not the same as the standard Vapr fluid.
Message: Posted by: Magicalos (Jan 27, 2017 12:29PM)
[quote]On Jan 27, 2017, TazBo wrote:
If there is any chance of my delivery before week commencing 13th February as I am heading to Blackpool and would like to promote the watch to anyone who is interested in me showing it to them.
If those who are going to Blackpool don't get their watches before then, then SansMinds will be missing a great opportunity. [/quote]

super jealous!!!! I'm making it a goal to come across the pond and attend a blackpool convention. 2018/19 maybe?
Message: Posted by: Legendary Wizard (Jan 28, 2017 04:00AM)
I just received my watch . This thing is so beautiful , works like a charm right out of the box . It's going to be the trick ? Or device of the year if it stands the test of time .
Message: Posted by: MadisonH (Jan 28, 2017 11:38AM)
Finally placed my order. Couldn't resist.
Message: Posted by: movemonkey (Jan 29, 2017 02:28PM)
BIG QUESTION is : how long will last the vaporizer in the VAPR watch ? The original VAPR unit works for 6 months of constant use, after what you have to replace the vaporizer inside.

if use use the watch frequently , and the vaporizer is not replaceable (according to Rich Tsai), that could be a problem cause the watch will become obsolete just after the one year guarantee?
Message: Posted by: funnyclown (Jan 29, 2017 03:24PM)
[quote]On Jan 29, 2017, movemonkey wrote:
BIG QUESTION is : how long will last the vaporizer in the VAPR watch ? The original VAPR unit works for 6 months of constant use, after what you have to replace the vaporizer inside.

if use use the watch frequently , and the vaporizer is not replaceable (according to Rich Tsai), that could be a problem cause the watch will become obsolete just after the one year guarantee? [/quote]


This has been answered by Rich Tsai on the Facebook Vapr watch group. It's a great place to get fast answers to your more technical questions. Although at the moment they are in the middle of shipping out a bunch of watches. Below I copied Rich's answer from the Facebook Vapr Watch group. Hope that help.


Morning guys

Vapr watch part is not replaceable. It's like iPhone. everything is built in to maximize space and efficiency.

They are build to last for a long time. However please do not use anything not compatible. It will not be cover under warranty.
Message: Posted by: Magicalos (Jan 29, 2017 04:52PM)
Saw this in person at the Magi-Fest convention this weekend...looks awesome! going to def buy one of these before the cutoff
Message: Posted by: Ceierry (Jan 30, 2017 08:08AM)
[quote]On Jan 29, 2017, funnyclown wrote:
[quote]On Jan 29, 2017, movemonkey wrote:
BIG QUESTION is : how long will last the vaporizer in the VAPR watch ? The original VAPR unit works for 6 months of constant use, after what you have to replace the vaporizer inside.

if use use the watch frequently , and the vaporizer is not replaceable (according to Rich Tsai), that could be a problem cause the watch will become obsolete just after the one year guarantee? [/quote]


This has been answered by Rich Tsai on the Facebook Vapr watch group. It's a great place to get fast answers to your more technical questions. Although at the moment they are in the middle of shipping out a bunch of watches. Below I copied Rich's answer from the Facebook Vapr Watch group. Hope that help.


Morning guys

Vapr watch part is not replaceable. It's like iPhone. everything is built in to maximize space and efficiency.

They are build to last for a long time. However please do not use anything not compatible. It will not be cover under warranty. [/quote]

Will Tsai *

:)
Message: Posted by: WizTom (Jan 30, 2017 09:03AM)
Okay... Any Updates for our orders? Placed it weeks ago! Still processing. Some guys received it already. Some not. What about us - the "300" backers... So difficult to ship 300 watches? What will you do with an order of 3000. It still says "In Stock" on you website. Come on guys. It can't be such a problem. You took our money very quick, now we want our watch. Nobody is responding to official Emails or to questions like this in the official Facebook-Forum. :-( Love Sansminds, but this is weird...

Note from your Website:

"If you are the first 300 backers, you watch is going out before mid January through UPS express. It will come with signature confirmation, tracking and $1000 USD insurance"

Now I see guys on YouTube having the watch. Even on the "Wizard Product Review". How did they get it?

Will... Please... Thank you!
Message: Posted by: TazBo (Jan 30, 2017 09:15AM)
Looks like Rich Tsai is posting a new batch yesterday or today to Europe. If anyone receives a tracking number or their package from this order, can they make a comment here, as it is difficult to get clear information from SansMinds.
Message: Posted by: kiketron (Jan 30, 2017 09:41AM)
I received today both of my watches, but no refills.
Where are they?
Sent appart?

The whatches are not much bigger than my everyday use watch and they look superb
One is completely silent and the other makes a very audible whistle.
Just tested 2 times each watch

Kiketron
Message: Posted by: kiketron (Jan 30, 2017 10:46AM)
Sound problem (whistle) solved repositioning the tube.
Both are pretty silent.
Now lets wait what happens with the missing refills
Message: Posted by: Magicalos (Jan 30, 2017 11:04AM)
[quote]On Jan 30, 2017, kiketron wrote:
Sound problem (whistle) solved repositioning the tube.
Both are pretty silent.
Now lets wait what happens with the missing refills [/quote]

can you post a video so we can hear the loudness of it (since you fixed it) and what the smoke looks like during long puffs??
Message: Posted by: movemonkey (Jan 30, 2017 02:21PM)
[quote]On Jan 30, 2017, kiketron wrote:
I received today both of my watches, but no refills.
Where are they?
Sent appart?

The whatches are not much bigger than my everyday use watch and they look superb
One is completely silent and the other makes a very audible whistle.
Just tested 2 times each watch

Kiketron [/quote]



what a joke.... they ship the watch without refills?
Message: Posted by: movemonkey (Jan 30, 2017 02:21PM)
[quote]On Jan 30, 2017, WizTom wrote:
Okay... Any Updates for our orders? Placed it weeks ago! Still processing. Some guys received it already. Some not. What about us - the "300" backers... So difficult to ship 300 watches? What will you do with an order of 3000. It still says "In Stock" on you website. Come on guys. It can't be such a problem. You took our money very quick, now we want our watch. Nobody is responding to official Emails or to questions like this in the official Facebook-Forum. :-( Love Sansminds, but this is weird...

Note from your Website:

"If you are the first 300 backers, you watch is going out before mid January through UPS express. It will come with signature confirmation, tracking and $1000 USD insurance"

Now I see guys on YouTube having the watch. Even on the "Wizard Product Review". How did they get it?

Will... Please... Thank you! [/quote]



very bad after sale service............ indeed
Message: Posted by: funnyclown (Jan 30, 2017 03:16PM)
Hey guys,

I hope you understand the Vapr Watch is not like ordering a magic trick from your favorite magic shop. You shoukd be aware this is a crowd funding campaign similar to a Kickstarter campaign. This product had custom issues due to electronics and the lithium battery. They needed special paper work and dealing with the refills that looked like syringes.
Also some may not be aware that it was Chinese New Year this weekend. That holiday is as important as Christmas to many Sansminds employees.

If you check out the Facebook Vapr watch page you can see they are working getting these first 300 out asap. If you pledged after the 300 your order will be received over the next new months. If you watch the official trailer this is all explained. Each watch is being hand assembled. The reason for campaign was to get funding to mass produce the watch. If sales reach 2000 watches pledged they will go into mass production. If not they will be assembled one at a time after the first 300.
Message: Posted by: kiketron (Jan 30, 2017 04:00PM)
I've just talked with Rich Tsai.
They will be sending the refills this week after all 300 watches are sent.

They couldn't send refills together with the watches due to their syringe shape and customs laws from each country.
They will be sent separatelly as soon as possible.

For the moment I'm happy with my watches. They look great.

Magicalos I can not make the video. The canister is just at 20% fluid by factory default as Rich told me so I don't want to run out meanwhile I wait for my refills.
Believe me, original Vapr was quite silent but Vapr watch is even more silent.
Smoke looks great.
I really encourage everyone to get one before campaign ends otherwise it will be difficult to find one in the secondary market
Message: Posted by: ash2arani (Jan 30, 2017 04:26PM)
Interesting new for those still on the fence (and maybe bad for those who just placed their order):

International shipping has been lowered from 140 USD to 78 USD. The US had a drop to 44 USD.

I am not sure if the shipping service is the same or not, but I am sure those who paid 140 USD will not feel happy especially that they have to wait in queue until they get the watch later this year.

Either way, the new shipping rates should appeal to many who are still on the fence.

Check their Facebook page for the video explaining these details.
Message: Posted by: kiketron (Jan 30, 2017 04:28PM)
They have added a new video update at the facebook vapr watch group.

They have renegotiated the shipping cost with UPS and basically they are "eating" more ore less half of the shipping cost.
Now it is $78 internationally with UPS instead of $140
I guess it is much less for the United States.

They are still at 25% and 2 weeks away before campaign ends, so they still want to achieve it one way or another.
Guys, is now or never.
Message: Posted by: ash2arani (Jan 30, 2017 04:29PM)
US is 44 USD so a mere 7 USD drop.
Message: Posted by: Xcath1 (Jan 30, 2017 04:46PM)
I'm not crazy about getting a watch that doesn't really do what it's supposed to out of the box and waiting an uncertain time for refills to make it work. I'm less crazy about the fact that there was no email communication and I just heard about this here.
Message: Posted by: funnyclown (Jan 30, 2017 04:51PM)
[quote]On Jan 30, 2017, ash2arani wrote:
US is 44 USD so a mere 7 USD drop. [/quote]


They are not making money on the shipping. They are charging us extaclty what shipping cost to send worldwide UPS next day with signature and $1000 insurance
Message: Posted by: ash2arani (Jan 30, 2017 05:00PM)
I know. Shipping is quoted by UPS directly. The original service is UPS Express Worldwide. The lowered rate is UPS Expedited Worldwide. I am not sure if insurance is the same but I would say so. US has a lower drop because I really cannot imagine how UPS would charge low prices for a package on expedited shipping to the US. The original 140 USD is normal for this type of service. The new one is a bargain I say. Factor group orders and the shipping price is even dropped more, significantly.

I really see it as a nice gesture from Sans Minds to lower the shipping price. I think the overall price is more appealing now.

@funnyclown: I was responding to kiketron who said "I guess it is much less for the United States".
Message: Posted by: Xcath1 (Jan 30, 2017 05:18PM)
I may have complained too soon at least for the US. Rich says they are shipping with refills
Message: Posted by: Choi Sin To (Jan 30, 2017 11:32PM)
Hello, is there anybody from Hong Kong who want to buy the watch? Maybe we share the shipping costs..... PM me....
Message: Posted by: Legendary Wizard (Jan 31, 2017 05:32AM)
This watch is a technological breakthrough . Compared to LYNX ( which is same ard same price ) , this is much nicer finished , works so much better , and beautiful , I exactly agree to the WPR guys .

They're selling this beautiful piece at just 250 usd , I think we should just chill and wait for it patiently . It's their holiday this season and with much paperwork and orders to handle , they've even lowered the shipping cost . Trust them on this . Anything that comes from them in a white box is a masterpiece . When you finally receive yours after the wait , you'll not be disappointed .

The refills will be shipped separately . But I like it this way , at least I received my watch , and I know I've been taken care of . Let's just wait one more week for the refills to start shipping , and we'll then be able to rock this at gigs .

As for refills they're charging what the UPS quotes . It's easy to just find some people to split the shipping and lower it down to a bare minimum .

Hope their campaign succeeds though , I don't want to see their effort go down the drain .
Message: Posted by: kiketron (Jan 31, 2017 08:16AM)
This afternoon I'm going to show my black Vapr watch to magician mates in an Akira Fujii lecture I will attend.

I'm sure some of them will order after seeing the device live.
I'm promoting the watch as I want Sansminds to succeed.
They made a great effort to put this in the market. They are solving the problems as the circumstances allow them.
I don't care if refills arrive in a week or a month. I know they will.
Let's respect their effort. They are working packing them in Holidays.

Kiketron
Message: Posted by: Legendary Wizard (Jan 31, 2017 11:16AM)
I got the gold one . I felt it's the best 250 bucks I've spent in magic so far . I just can't believe how this considerably thin metal casing contains mechanisms that produces smoke and pumps it out so silently , and on top of that contains the parts smaller than my pinky which turns the clock hands . It's magic itself pressing the remote and watching smoke puffs out of the completely ordinary looking watch . Not only that , the watch design is just ... so beautiful ! It's based on the Invicta Bolt design , which is one of my favorite watch design . How I wish I could purchase a normal branded watch that looks just like this .

I will be willing to pay the full retail price for this , and I believe that's what it should be sold for originally , at just 250 bucks currently , please grab it while you can guys , it'll be one of the best investment you make in magic . Doesn't matter if you'll actually use it , keeping and holding a part of history and technology in your hands is worth every cent you pay for .
Message: Posted by: funnyclown (Jan 31, 2017 11:26AM)
My collectors watches arrived today. I'm in California

:)))
Message: Posted by: Xcath1 (Jan 31, 2017 11:38AM)
Dude, did you get an email, or did they just show up??????
Message: Posted by: Magicalos (Jan 31, 2017 11:48AM)
[quote]On Jan 31, 2017, funnyclown wrote:
My collectors watches arrived today. I'm in California

:))) [/quote]


can you please post a video of one them operating? id love to finally see a non studio produced video showing them in use? PRETTY PLEASE???
Message: Posted by: funnyclown (Jan 31, 2017 04:34PM)
I got an email from UPS for a next day air package from the UPS store in Bellingham WA. It didn't say on email anything about Sansminds or the watch so it was a bit of a surprise. But I heard if your in the US you'll be getting watches this week. I think everyone will have the watches in the next week or two.



[quote]On Jan 31, 2017, Xcath1 wrote:
Dude, did you get an email, or did they just show up?????? [/quote]
Message: Posted by: MadisonH (Jan 31, 2017 04:50PM)
I received a note from Rich today that says if you purchased after the initial 300 and they DO reach their goal of 2,000 watches, they will not ship until May.

If they DO NOT reach their goal then be said there's no telling how long it will take for them to hand assemble them and get them shipped. So that's a bummer. Looks like I won't have my watch until next year
Message: Posted by: Rocky (Jan 31, 2017 05:28PM)
[quote]On Jan 31, 2017, MadisonH wrote:

"I received a note from Rich today that says if you purchased after the initial 300 and they DO reach their goal of 2,000 watches, they will not ship until May.

If they DO NOT reach their goal then be said there's no telling how long it will take for them to hand assemble them and get them shipped. So that's a bummer. Looks like I won't have my watch until next year"

Don't worry..by years end everyone who purchased their cool smoking wristwatches will be bored playing with them. This is a cool prop for sure, but will spectators really think that "magic smoke" is appearing from nowhere???? C'mon people!
Message: Posted by: gassaox (Jan 31, 2017 06:16PM)
[quote]On Jan 31, 2017, Rocky wrote:
[quote]On Jan 31, 2017, MadisonH wrote:

"I received a note from Rich today that says if you purchased after the initial 300 and they DO reach their goal of 2,000 watches, they will not ship until May.

If they DO NOT reach their goal then be said there's no telling how long it will take for them to hand assemble them and get them shipped. So that's a bummer. Looks like I won't have my watch until next year"

"Don't worry..by years end everyone who purchased their cool smoking wristwatches will be bored playing with them. This is a cool prop for sure, but will spectators really think that "magic smoke" is appearing from nowhere???? C'mon people!"

It depends what kind of magic effect you do with it fella, if I borrowed some persons mobile/cellphone and got them to place it in their hand and put my hand in top and with patter say I would cause their phone to over heat then they see smoke would they ever suspect the watch? NO - they would think it was actually their phone, this watch is a master piece and I cannot wait to get one👍🏻

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Message: Posted by: MadisonH (Jan 31, 2017 06:34PM)
[quote]On Jan 31, 2017, Rocky wrote:

"Don't worry..by years end everyone who purchased their cool smoking wristwatches will be bored playing with them. This is a cool prop for sure, but will spectators really think that "magic smoke" is appearing from nowhere???? C'mon people!"

You may be right about the first part but I don't agree with the second. I think it totally depends on how it is used. I would never simply produce smoke and call it a day. It should merely be an additional magical flair given to another routine. I think the ashes on arm is the best example.
Message: Posted by: codydavismagic (Feb 1, 2017 02:15PM)
I can't wait for this, has anybody in the US got their shipping status changed or an email? I was one of the 300 but haven't heard back on this
Message: Posted by: MadisonH (Feb 1, 2017 02:19PM)
[quote]On Feb 1, 2017, codydavismagic wrote:

"I can't wait for this, has anybody in the US got their shipping status changed or an email? I was one of the 300 but haven't heard back on this"


Apparently all of the initial 300 have been shipped.
Message: Posted by: Liams-Heart (Feb 1, 2017 03:29PM)
[quote]On Feb 1, 2017, codydavismagic wrote:

"I can't wait for this, has anybody in the US got their shipping status changed or an email? I was one of the 300 but haven't heard back on this"

I was in the first 300, I'm in the US, and I just got my shipping notice today. Per the UPS tracking info it was actually shipped on 1/26 and will arrive tomorrow. Looks like they are behind in sending out the tracking info.
Message: Posted by: theconjuror (Feb 1, 2017 04:02PM)
Finally!!
Message: Posted by: Andrew J. K. (Feb 1, 2017 06:17PM)
[quote]On Jan 31, 2017, funnyclown wrote:

"My collectors watches arrived today. I'm in California :)))"

Hi Funnyclown,

Would you be so kind to inform me if your collectors package contained
also the 10 (if my memory serves me well) refill packets that come with
this version (Collectors Box) free of charge or will they ship separately
sometime later?

Also, I'd much appreciate if you could inform me (in case you already know) whether
you have to pay for shipping costs again once your refill cartridges ship.

Thank you in advance.

Andrew K.
Message: Posted by: funnyclown (Feb 1, 2017 07:43PM)
Hi Andrew,

My collectors set came with the following:

[b]BOX ONE[/b]

One Gold watch
One charger and cord
One arm band
One refill pack which has seven refills each refill is 100 three second puffs
One remote
One card that directs me to online instructions

[b]BOX TWO[/b]

One Black watch
One charger and cord
One arm band
One refill pack which has seven refills each refill is 100 three second puffs
One remote
One card that directs me to online instructions

PLUS included FREE WITH PROMO

10 refill packs (Each refill pack has 7 refills , each refill can produce 100 three second puffs}

That's a total of 84 refills. In my case they were shipping all together in one package BUT customs in some countries doesn't allow this.
To get updated information about your country check out the [url=https://m.facebook.com/groups/1146416848739368?ref=bookmarks]
Facebook VAPR Watch users group[/url].

If they ship it to you separately due to customs in your country you will not need to pay additional shipping costs.

[url=https://m.facebook.com/groups/1146416848739368?ref=bookmarks]VAPR Watch Facebook Group[/url]

I hope that helps.
Message: Posted by: funnyclown (Feb 1, 2017 08:03PM)
I own both the Lynx Smart Watch and the [url=http://www.sansminds.com/index.php/vapr-watch-1/vapr-watch.html]VAPR Watch[/url]. So what I can do is compare the two watches in a short review.
[list]
[*]Vapr watch is a real working Seiko watch. So you can use it as your everyday watch and believe me I do. It looks incredible. The Lynx smart watch does not tell time.
[*]Of the two, Vapr watch is the most quiet smoke machine on your wrist. You can hear slight sound of air coming out of the pump. Almost silent. The Lynx watch uses a fan which is much louder.
[*]Vapr Watch uses zero residue liquid in their refills which is required to use in the watch. The Lynx watch smoke liquid leaves a residue. You can see it after only one time using the Lynx Smart Watch. Which means the Vapr Watch is made to last. No residue with their liquid smoke.
[*]Vapr Watch is all self contained. The tiny pump is inside the watch and the tube hides perfectly inside the wristband of the watch. The Lynx Smart Watch has a dangling wire connected to the tiny fan that you must hide under your wrist between your bare skin and the wristband. Also with the Lynx Smart Smoke watch the battery is also connected to a wire that you must hide under your wristband. With the Vapr Watch all is inside the watch. Self contained.
[*]Vapr Watch will not burn your wrist or overheat. With the Lynx Smart Watch the heating element is touching your bare skin on your wrist so you will feel the heat and burn on your skin.
[*]With the Vapr Watch you can display 3 seconds and up to 60 seconds of smoke depending on how long you want to hold the button. With the Lynx Smart Watch you can only press button for 3 seconds of smoke before it burns your wrist. Then you must wait until it's ready for another 3 seconds of smoke.
[*]The Vapr Watch looks and feels like you would except from a high end stainless steel Seiko watch. Very stylish and it will make your magician friends jealous.
[*]The Vapr Watch is $250 before February 15. The Lynx Smoke watch is $375
[*]The Vapr Watch once you fill it with Vapr liquid it will last for 100 three second puffs. The Lynx Smart Smoke watch must have liquid added almost every time you use it.
[*]The Vapr Watch shoots the smoke into the palm of your hands while with the Lynx Smoke watch it looks like smoke is coming from your wrist.
[*]The Vapr Watch Smoke looks thick and beautiful. The Lynx Smart Smoke watch Smoke is not nearly as nice.
[/list]
[url=http://www.sansminds.com/index.php/vapr-watch-1/vapr-watch.html]
VAPR Watch[/url] is a 10/10. There is nothing I can think I would improve on the watch. [url=http://www.sansminds.com/index.php/vapr-watch-1/vapr-watch.html]Sansminds[/url] has thought of everything giving us a completely finished product.

Hope that helps. Now go get your watch and tell your friends. This is just amazing.

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Message: Posted by: Choi Sin To (Feb 1, 2017 09:42PM)
Thanks for your review
I just order one standard package
And the shipping dropped nearly half than before.
Message: Posted by: Legendary Wizard (Feb 2, 2017 05:10AM)
[quote]On Feb 2, 2017, funnyclown wrote:

"I own both the Lynx Smart Watch and the [url=http://www.sansminds.com/index.php/vapr-watch-1/vapr-watch.html]VAPR Watch[/url]. So what I can do is compare the two watches in a short review.
[list]
[*]Vapr watch is a real working Seiko watch. So you can use it as your everyday watch and believe me I do. It looks incredible. The Lynx smart watch does not tell time.
[*]Of the two, Vapr watch is the most quiet smoke machine on your wrist. You can hear slight sound of air coming out of the pump. Almost silent. The Lynx watch uses a fan which is much louder.
[*]Vapr Watch uses zero residue liquid in their refills which is required to use in the watch. The Lynx watch smoke liquid leaves a residue. You can see it after only one time using the Lynx Smart Watch. Which means the Vapr Watch is made to last. No residue with their liquid smoke.
[*]Vapr Watch is all self contained. The tiny pump is inside the watch and the tube hides perfectly inside the wristband of the watch. The Lynx Smart Watch has a dangling wire connected to the tiny fan that you must hide under your wrist between your bare skin and the wristband. Also with the Lynx Smart Smoke watch the battery is also connected to a wire that you must hide under your wristband. With the Vapr Watch all is inside the watch. Self contained.
[*]Vapr Watch will not burn your wrist or overheat. With the Lynx Smart Watch the heating element is touching your bare skin on your wrist so you will feel the heat and burn on your skin.
[*]With the Vapr Watch you can display 3 seconds and up to 60 seconds of smoke depending on how long you want to hold the button. With the Lynx Smart Watch you can only press button for 3 seconds of smoke before it burns your wrist. Then you must wait until it's ready for another 3 seconds of smoke.
[*]The Vapr Watch looks and feels like you would except from a high end stainless steel Seiko watch. Very stylish and it will make your magician friends jealous.
[*]The Vapr Watch is $250 before February 15. The Lynx Smoke watch is $375
[*]The Vapr Watch once you fill it with Vapr liquid it will last for 100 three second puffs. The Lynx Smart Smoke watch must have liquid added almost every time you use it.
[*]The Vapr Watch shoots the smoke into the palm of your hands while with the Lynx Smoke watch it looks like smoke is coming from your wrist.
[*]The Vapr Watch Smoke looks thick and beautiful. The Lynx Smart Smoke watch Smoke is not nearly as nice.
[/list]
[url=http://www.sansminds.com/index.php/vapr-watch-1/vapr-watch.html]
VAPR Watch[/url] is a 10/10. There is nothing I can think I would improve on the watch. [url=http://www.sansminds.com/index.php/vapr-watch-1/vapr-watch.html]Sansminds[/url] has thought of everything giving us a completely finished product.

Hope that helps. Now go get your watch and tell your friends. This is just amazing"

I fully agree to what you said . I can't find anything bad to say on the VAPR watch , everything is perfect right down to it's design and usage . If this came out before the LYNX , it'll reach it's campaign target in no time .

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Message: Posted by: Andrew J. K. (Feb 2, 2017 09:17AM)
[quote]On Feb 1, 2017, funnyclown wrote:

"Hi Andrew,

My collectors set came with the following:

[b]BOX ONE[/b]

One Gold watch
One charger and cord
One arm band
One refill pack which has seven refills each refill is 100 three second puffs
One remote
One card that directs me to online instructions

[b]BOX TWO[/b]

One Black watch
One charger and cord
One arm band
One refill pack which has seven refills each refill is 100 three second puffs
One remote
One card that directs me to online instructions

PLUS included FREE WITH PROMO

10 refill packs (Each refill pack has 7 refills , each refill can produce 100 three second puffs}

That's a total of 84 refills. In my case they were shipping all together in one package BUT customs in some countries doesn't allow this.
To get updated information about your country check out the [url=https://m.facebook.com/groups/1146416848739368?ref=bookmarks]
Facebook VAPR Watch users group[/url].

If they ship it to you separately due to customs in your country you will not need to pay additional shipping costs.

[url=https://m.facebook.com/groups/1146416848739368?ref=bookmarks]VAPR Watch Facebook Group[/url]

I hope that helps"

---

Thanks a lot for being so kind and helpful by giving me all these valuable information, funnyclown.

I really much appreciate this.

Wish you a lot of fun and as well a lot of great performances with your awesome [url=http://www.sansminds.com/index.php/vapr-watch-1/vapr-watch.html]VAPR Watches[/url]

I've almost convinced myself to take the plunge and order the [url=http://www.sansminds.com/index.php/vapr-watch-1/vapr-watch.html]Collector Box[/url], like you.

The only thing that holds me back at the moment from placing my order is the last updated
video by [url=http://www.sansminds.com]Sansminds[/url] in which is said clearly that any customer (after the first 300 VIP
backers) who places their order before the 15th of February (end of SM's special campaign),
will very likely receive their parcels whenever each of the rest ordered watches will have
been assembled by hand, implying that they would not be able to do it before May.

With that in mind, in case I order the [url=http://www.sansminds.com/index.php/vapr-watch-1/vapr-watch.html]Collector Box[/url] today, odds are high (if not 100%)
my watches to ship and be delivered sometime during May and ...December 2017!

And in case the 10 refill packs which should be added free of charge to my order, will ship
separately sometime later (after my watches will have been shipped), that means that my
refill packs could arrive, shall I say, on the first months of 2018?

Sorry, but I think that waiting for so long is something that's beyond my patience's limits.

I don't know what to do. Wish I could trust them even if I have to wait for a little more than
5 months in order to receive my parcel safe and sound.

However I have the feeling that they won't manage to fulfill their promise as I think they
won't be able to assemble by hand all the rest of the watches which will be ordered until
the 15th Februar, since IMHO their mission sounds almost immpossible to be accomplished
in terms both of time and money as it seems that unfortunately, they have no more funds
to keep their promise.

To avoid any misinterpretation or misunderstanding, I'm not implying that they will keep
my 500.00 USD and ship nothing since they won't have any more parts of the watches to
assemble, even by hand.

I'm just have the sense that I'll be waiting for 5 to 10 months and at the end they will offer
me a refund which really this isn't what I do want. And there is always the worst case scenario,
(it applies to several other dealers, too and not only to [url=http://www.sansminds.com]Sansminds[/url]) which in this case could be
the following one:

It could be possible for them to ignore constantly and endlessly any email and request for refund.

With that in mind and having 5 or more months passed, I or any other customer
won't be able to open a dispute at Paypal in order to take my money back.

How about that?

To clarify this once more: I'm not implying that [url=http://www.sansminds.com]Sansminds[/url] will definitely follow this path.

However the main majority of this company's products, with the exception of their brilliant
and awesome Pro Series and a few other less expensive releases, has shown that they tend
in general, more to prove me right.

Hopefully they will prove me wrong.

I want to see them kepping their promise. I want them to deliver the goods to me safe and sound.

I want only the two awesome watches. Nothing more, nothing less.

If anyone knows anything more about the time (approximately) the watches will be delivered at
regarding the customers who will have purchased them before the 15th February, I'd much
appreciate if he/she would chime in and shed some light.

Any help, suggestion or info about the aforementioned issue would be well appreciated.

I do apologize for any inconvenience may have caused due my long post.

Thank you in advance.

To funnyclown: Once more, a big thank you for spending some of your valuable time
in order to answer to my questions.

Kindest regards,

Andrew K.

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Message: Posted by: movemonkey (Feb 2, 2017 12:50PM)
I want to order too.... but I have the exact same concern as andrew...... I really don't think [url=http://www.sansminds.com]SansMinds[/url] will make it to 2000 orders (mass production) ... and waiting 6 months for a magic prop is beyond anyone's patience limit.

Unless they find a way to solve this problem I think it holds me back from ordering.
Message: Posted by: funnyclown (Feb 2, 2017 01:06PM)
In less than two weeks the [url=http://www.sansminds.com/index.php/vapr-watch-1/vapr-watch.html]VAPR Watch[/url] campaign will end. And to be very clear after February 15 no one will be able to buy this amazing magical achievement.

This will never come to your local magic shop or online store. You will NOT be able to buy this from [url=http://www.sansminds.com]SansMinds[/url]. Only the watches pledged during campaign will be made. Some of you might be thinking GOOD. That way my watch will be more unique and rare. But here's the problem: If this ends on February 15 you might need a replacement or the next version. To be perfectly clear if this campaign fails you will never be able to buy another one. The [url=http://www.sansminds.com/index.php/vapr-watch-1/vapr-watch.html]VAPR Watch[/url] is just too good to lose. I don't want to see this fail. As of [url=http://www.sansminds.com]SansMinds'[/url] last video report last week we are at 25% of our goal. That means if we continue these next two weeks at the same rate this will be the last we will be able to buy a [url=http://www.sansminds.com/index.php/vapr-watch-1/vapr-watch.html]VAPR Watch[/url]. EVER!

The only way we will succeed as a magic community is to have all of us that believe in this project to tell all our magic friends right now!!! Time is running out!! If you pledge your guaranteed a watch even if they fail. But if they do succeed we will all benefit. Please help support the campaign by promoting this to any magician you know that maybe hasn't heard of this campaign but could use a watch like many of you that have pledged for.

I don't work for [url=http://www.sansminds.com]SansMinds[/url]. I'm not a famous superstar magician. I'm not a paid reviewer. I paid full price just like many of you for my [url=http://www.sansminds.com/index.php/vapr-watch-1/vapr-watch.html]VAPR Watches[/url]. I'm just like you and I believe in this project. It just kills me to see something this great just end because not enough magicians knew about it.

They have lowered the shipping cost to make it much easier for us to get one. The time is now. Tell your friends. As a community we need to stand together and make this happen. There is nothing more innovative the magic community has seen in years.

Support the [url=http://www.sansminds.com/index.php/vapr-watch-1/vapr-watch.html]VAPR Watch[/url] today!!!

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Message: Posted by: Xcath1 (Feb 2, 2017 02:06PM)
I bought 2. But it's a lot of money (even if a reasonable value) and not a lot of time to sell many watches. I wish them luck but think they should extend the time period till after th first shipment have bee in the community for a while. Don't know if they can.
Message: Posted by: chuds (Feb 2, 2017 02:48PM)
[quote]On Feb 2, 2017, funnyclown wrote:

"In less than two weeks the [url=http://www.sansminds.com/index.php/vapr-watch-1/vapr-watch.html]VAPR Watch[/url] campaign will end. And to be very clear after February 15 no one will be able to buy this amazing magical achievement.

This will never come to your local magic shop or online store. You will NOT be able to buy this from [url=http://www.sansminds.com]SansMinds[/url]. Only the watches pledged during campaign will be made. Some of you might be thinking GOOD. That way my watch will be more unique and rare. But here's the problem: If this ends on February 15 you might need a replacement or the next version. To be perfectly clear if this campaign fails you will never be able to buy another one. The [url=http://www.sansminds.com/index.php/vapr-watch-1/vapr-watch.html]VAPR Watch[/url] is just too good to lose. I don't want to see this fail. As of [url=http://www.sansminds.com]SansMinds'[/url] last video report last week we are at 25% of our goal. That means if we continue these next two weeks at the same rate this will be the last we will be able to buy a [url=http://www.sansminds.com/index.php/vapr-watch-1/vapr-watch.html]VAPR Watch[/url]. EVER!

The only way we will succeed as a magic community is to have all of us that believe in this project to tell all our magic friends right now!!! Time is running out!! If you pledge your guaranteed a watch even if they fail. But if they do succeed we will all benefit. Please help support the campaign by promoting this to any magician you know that maybe hasn't heard of this campaign but could use a watch like many of you that have pledged for.

I don't work for [url=http://www.sansminds.com]SansMinds[/url]. I'm not a famous superstar magician. I'm not a paid reviewer. I paid full price just like many of you for my [url=http://www.sansminds.com/index.php/vapr-watch-1/vapr-watch.html]VAPR Watches[/url]. I'm just like you and I believe in this project. It just kills me to see something this great just end because not enough magicians knew about it.

They have lowered the shipping cost to make it much easier for us to get one. The time is now. Tell your friends. As a community we need to stand together and make this happen. There is nothing more innovative the magic community has seen in years.

Support the [url=http://www.sansminds.com/index.php/vapr-watch-1/vapr-watch.html]VAPR Watch[/url] today!!!"

---

Fantastic new product... but full money up front with no definite build date or indeed a guarantee that you will actually receive it if you are not in the first 300? All I can say is wow!

If anyone suggested that you 'invested' $300 or even $500 in a non magical company (with not a great business record) with no product to offer at this time and no specific time scale to supply would you? I'm sure I wouldn't. Sometimes the hype of a product can take over rational thinking.

I must say the watch looks fantastic and is one of the most exciting props for years, it's just a shame that [url=http://www.sansminds.com]
SansMinds[/url] want us guys to take the risk and not the banks!

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Message: Posted by: Magicalos (Feb 2, 2017 03:03PM)
Am I missing something? I was under the assumption that if I buy a watch before feb 15th it WILL get made and I WILL get it just not telling of when....right?
Message: Posted by: Irish eyes (Feb 2, 2017 03:16PM)
If the campaign makes it to 2000 watches then vapr watch goes into mass production which means that vapr watch should ship in May. If the campaign does not make it then the watches are hand made and ship according to order number which means a longer wait. Sansminds has guaranteed that those who order the watches will receive them and if anyone decides that the wait is too long and cancels their order, the buyer will get a refund.
Message: Posted by: Andrew J. K. (Feb 2, 2017 03:17PM)
[quote]On Feb 2, 2017, movemonkey wrote:

"I want to order too.... but I have the exact same concern as andrew...... I really don't think [url=http://www.sansminds.com]SansMinds[/url] will make it to 2000 orders (mass production) ... and waiting 6 months for a magic prop is beyond anyone's patience limit. Unless they find a way to solve this problem I think it holds me from ordering"

Well said, movemonkey.
Message: Posted by: Andrew J. K. (Feb 2, 2017 03:25PM)
[quote]On Feb 2, 2017, chuds wrote:

"Fantastic new product... but full money up front with no definite build date or indeed a guarantee that you will actually receive it if you are not in the first 300? All I can say is wow!

If anyone suggested that you 'invested' $300 or even $500 in a non magical company (with not a great business record) with no product to offer at this time and no specific time scale to supply would you? I'm sure I wouldn't. Sometimes the hype of a product can take over rational thinking.

I must say the watch looks fantastic and is one of the most exciting props for years, it's just a shame that [url=http://www.sansminds.com]
SansMinds[/url] want us guys to take the risk and not the banks!"

---

I second that, chuds. Thanks for sharing your valuable point of view.
Message: Posted by: TazBo (Feb 2, 2017 03:30PM)
[url=http://www.sansminds.com]SansMinds[/url] are in the Ball Room Dealers Room at [url=http://blackpoolmagic.com/product-category/registrations/]Blackpool[/url]. Don't think they have any watches for sale though, just demonstrating them and maybe taking orders. :-)

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Message: Posted by: Rocky (Feb 2, 2017 03:35PM)
[quote]On Jan 31, 2017, gassaox wrote:

"It depends what kind of magic effect you do with it fella ,if I borrowed some persons mobile/cellphone and got them to place it in their hand and put my hand in top and with patter say I would cause their phone to over heat then they see smoke would they ever suspect the watch NO they would think it was actually their phone, this watch is a master piece and I cannot wait to get one👍🏻"

...If you really think that the smoke watch will fool people then by all means go out and use the darn thing. This, in my opinion, is another cool toy that will enable magicians to daydream the possibilities it will bring in furthering their career as house magicians at the local I-Hop. Once they realize the watch is more a pain than what its worth (ie technical issues that which will eventually develop). Less is more my young friends. Ashes on the arm will get great reactions without a plume of smoke hissing from your wristwatch...proper presentation will trump special effect toys when getting real people to enjoy your magic."

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Message: Posted by: Rocky (Feb 2, 2017 03:41PM)
...wait...here's an idea for the smoke watch! I remember being bashed when I gave Little Man a sarcastic review. Boy...was I wrong!!! Every magician is performing Little Man and getting huge reactions from it. Why not use the smoke watch to create a mystical atmosphere before your little clay friend walks mysteriously across the counter top. SPOOOKY!
Message: Posted by: chuds (Feb 2, 2017 03:57PM)
[quote]On Feb 2, 2017, TazBo wrote:

"[url=http://www.sansminds.com]SansMinds[/url] are in the Ball Room Dealers Room at [url=http://blackpoolmagic.com/product-category/registrations/]Blackpool[/url]. Don't think they have any watches for sale though, just demonstrating them and maybe taking orders. :-) "

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Looking at all the varied comments about customs hold ups and no tracking numbers I'm sure they will be busy TazBo!
Message: Posted by: ash2arani (Feb 2, 2017 04:24PM)
Interestingly enough, the first 300 took about 3 months. Which means, starting Feb 15, they can probably produce around 900 units by hand throughout the course of 2017.

I do not know what the numbers are as of now but it does not seem to have crossed the 50% yet. So given the original track record, in case the campaign fails, the 2017 mark should still be met.

Of course, my advice is to actually have [url=http://www.sansminds.com]SansMinds[/url] fund whatever remains from the 2000 lot, mass produce them, and sell leftovers at a higher price. This will work for both new and current owners of the watch.

Of course, another advice is to have them renogotiate the mass production to a lower quantity like 1500. Yes, the price will be higher but I am confident more people will jump on board once they know the watch is there and ready to ship even if the price is higher.

Look at the new watches selling for 349 usd plus. Others sell at the 1000 usd mark. From a magic point of view, look at props that sell for 1000 usd and more when they literally cost a fraction of the price. So a $400 USD watch that does what is meant to do really well and as per the initial reviews blows any competition out of the water, I am sure many will get it.

Either way, I really hope to see this project succeed.
Message: Posted by: rowland (Feb 2, 2017 04:29PM)
I think one of the biggest issues in the future no matter how many are made will be getting a watch repaired if something in it fails.
Message: Posted by: ash2arani (Feb 2, 2017 04:43PM)
With extended warranty, you get 1 year and 3 months of full coverage. And since these can be handmade, I am sure repair will be a non-issue. Yes, outside those 15 months, it is an issue. I know some are already buying spares for that reason specifically.
Message: Posted by: Xcath1 (Feb 2, 2017 04:43PM)
I agree with rowland, I bought two anyway but I agree.
Message: Posted by: Andrew J. K. (Feb 2, 2017 05:11PM)
[quote]On Feb 2, 2017, Xcath1 wrote:
I bought 2. But it's a lot of money (even if a reasonable value) and not a lot of time to sell many watches. I wish them luck but think they should extend the time period till after th first shipment have bee in the community for a while. Don't know if they can. [/quote]

That sounds a great idea.

Wish they could do it. Maybe Will could chime in and clarify this.

Xcath1, would you be so kind to let us know when the watches arrive?

Thank you in advance.

Andrew K.
Message: Posted by: Andrew J. K. (Feb 2, 2017 05:33PM)
[quote]On Feb 2, 2017, Magicalos wrote:
Am I missing something? I was under the assumption that if I buy a watch before feb 15th it WILL get made and I WILL get it just not telling of when....right? [/quote]

Only God knows when...

However if I were you, I would wonder about the 'IF' issue...

On the other hand, jokes aside, I wish you to wear your VAPR wtch on your wrist as soon as it gets.

Wish you the best of luck.

Kindest regards,
Andrew K.
Message: Posted by: Andrew J. K. (Feb 2, 2017 05:40PM)
[quote]On Feb 2, 2017, Rocky wrote:

"...wait...here's an idea for the smoke watch! I remember being bashed when I gave Little Man a sarcastic review. Boy...was I wrong!!! Every magician is performing Little Man and getting huge reactions from it. Why not use the smoke watch to create a mystical atmosphere before your little clay friend walks mysteriously across the counter top. SPOOOKY!"

Brilliant! You made my day, Rocky.
Message: Posted by: Steve Brooks (Feb 2, 2017 06:16PM)
Hey gang,

Just saw this note on Facebook and am passing it along. ;)

"Hello everyone,

Apologize for the late emails. We are extremely backed up with all the [url=http://www.sansminds.com/vaprwatchupdate]VAPR Watch[/url] questions and inquiries and have made a Q&A page for [url=http://www.sansminds.com/vaprwatchupdate]VAPR Watch[/url] in case you are waiting for our email reply.

Simply [url=http://www.sansminds.com/vaprwatchupdate]Click Here![/url]

Thank you for all your patience" :)

-[b]SansMinds[/b] crew

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Message: Posted by: Shawn Farquhar (Feb 2, 2017 06:44PM)
I'm the proud owner of two of these beauties and have been using them for a few weeks now.
I've never made a video testimonial in my life for another companies product, but this deserves it in my opinion.
To those that may offer dissent, I say to each his own.

I like the addition of a little smoke to enhance my Omni deck...it's freaked out hundreds already!

[url=http://www.facebook.com/shawnfarquhar/videos/10158205913050253/]Click Here![/url]

-shawn
Message: Posted by: Will Tsai (Feb 2, 2017 10:37PM)
Hello supporters and friends here, I haven't been able to check in due to some unexpected health issue. I am finally feeling better and am here to answer a couple questions personally.

[b]Xcath1[/b] : Thank you for your support. I am sure you'd be very happy with the products in your hands.

[b]Andrew J. K.[/b] : Have you been following our emails or social medias? Because we only have limited staff, any emails in general, will be answered within 24 hours. Due to the recent email volume, there's expected delay of getting your answers. Many have asked the same questions without reading the information we posted on the site and different platforms, so we've also made a page with quite a few common questions and answers. If you need some general answers, it's probably there. Also, if you place your oder (pledge), your watch WILL BE DELIVERED. We are trying our best to work with the time frame and situation we are given. Not sure why you are so certain about we are not going to deliver but provide the refund. The refund is an option we offer for those supporters who may wish so during the wait time. You never know when you need the cash. It's only fair that way for those who choose to support us. You seem to have strong opinion toward our brand without having an actual purchase experience with us; which is fine I fully respect your opinion. But if you are posting information and making statements, please do refer to what we've already posted on the site and our social media so everyone is on the same page with the same correct information. Thank you Andrew.

[b]Irish eyes[/b] : Thank you for your support and answering a few questions. Much appreciated my friend :)

[b]Steve Brooks[/b] : Thank you for posting the page! I had no idea how to do the coding. It's really helpful!

[b]Shawn Farquhar[/b] : Hi Shawn, thank you SO MUCH for posting a video review. It means the world to be the first item you ever done a video with. Thank you for believing in our work. What an honour!

In the past two days we've jumped from hitting [i]20% goal to 37%[/i]. With supporters who received their units help spreading the words, now we really feel like we have a chance to make it. The community is so amazing. [i]13 days left[/i].

Let's make this happen together! With the love and support, even if we fail we know the effort and 4 years of our time was worth it. It's just a shame we won't be able to do this again in the future if we don't make it this time. Please, we need all the help we can get. Spread the words to your performer friends and invite them to join us. Let's make the impossible possible as a community!

Much love,

-Will

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Message: Posted by: MikeTheKid (Feb 3, 2017 01:46AM)
I love mine !
Message: Posted by: movemonkey (Feb 3, 2017 06:12AM)
Hi Will, maybe [url=http://www.sansminds.com]SansMinds[/url] can push further the Feb 15th CUT OFF date, I don't really see what's the big deal with that date limit, so that you guys can benefit from the Blackpool word of mouth?
Message: Posted by: Magicalos (Feb 3, 2017 08:35AM)
How come no one that has it already is posting a video of how the smoke looks? is it not as good as in the SM produced video?
Message: Posted by: funnyclown (Feb 3, 2017 08:46AM)
Someone posted a video yesterday on the Facebook group. Have you joined the group?

[url=https://m.facebook.com/groups/1146416848739368?ref=bookmarks]VAPR Watch Facebook Group[/url]
Message: Posted by: Magicalos (Feb 3, 2017 09:46AM)
[quote]On Feb 3, 2017, funnyclown wrote:
Someone posted a video yesterday on the Facebook group. Have you joined the group?

[url=https://m.facebook.com/groups/1146416848739368?ref=bookmarks]VAPR Watch Facebook Group[/url]

Why are they always potato quality videos? Cant someone post a nice resolution video?
Message: Posted by: Irish eyes (Feb 3, 2017 01:08PM)
Thank you Will. I am one of the 300 so I am looking forward to evaluating vapr watch when it arrives.
Message: Posted by: Bill Hegbli (Feb 3, 2017 02:24PM)
[quote]On Feb 3, 2017, Magicalos wrote:
[quote]On Feb 3, 2017, funnyclown wrote:

"Someone posted a video yesterday on the Facebook group. Have you joined the group?"

[url=https://m.facebook.com/groups/1146416848739368?ref=bookmarks]VAPR Watch Facebook Group[/url]

"Why are they always potato quality videos? Can't someone post a nice resolution video?"

Really, your concern is video quality? Do you have a home theater room as well?

The point is the effect of the trick, not if it was filmed with a $5000 camera. These kinds of videos are for information, not your viewing enjoyment.

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Message: Posted by: MadisonH (Feb 3, 2017 02:26PM)
The video quality is so bad because all their money is spent on watches that smoke... hehehe
Message: Posted by: chuds (Feb 3, 2017 03:16PM)
[quote]On Feb 3, 2017, Bill Hegbli wrote:
[quote]On Feb 3, 2017, Magicalos wrote:
[quote]On Feb 3, 2017, funnyclown wrote:

"Someone posted a video yesterday on the Facebook group. Have you joined the group?"

[url=https://m.facebook.com/groups/1146416848739368?ref=bookmarks]VAPR Watch Facebook Group[/url]

"Why are they always potato quality videos? Can't someone post a nice resolution video?"

"Really, your concern is video quality? Do you have a home theater room as well?"

"The point is the effect of the trick, not if it was filmed with a $5000 camera. These kinds of videos are for information, not your viewing enjoyment"

Yes I actually have a home cinema room and if I was being pedantic the quality is poor, however from the current Facebook feed it seems that the remote rattles......outrageous!!

Hype and more hype.
Message: Posted by: funnyclown (Feb 3, 2017 03:54PM)
Chuds,

You're concerned about video quality and two people said their remote rattles. Mine does not rattle.

How about the fact that the [url=http://www.sansminds.com/index.php/vapr-watch-1/vapr-watch.html]Vapr Watch[/url] is the most technologically advanced smoke machine you can put on your wrist and everyone that owns it loves it?
Message: Posted by: chuds (Feb 3, 2017 04:49PM)
[quote]On Feb 3, 2017, funnyclown wrote:
Chuds,

"You're concerned about video quality and two people said their remote rattles. Mine does not rattle. How about the fact that the [url=http://www.sansminds.com/index.php/vapr-watch-1/vapr-watch.html]Vapr Watch[/url] is the most technologically advanced smoke machine you can put on your wrist and everyone that owns it loves it?"

I was being sarcastic to be honest, but I'm glad that at least a few people including you out of the 300 are very happy. Enjoy!
Message: Posted by: Magicalos (Feb 3, 2017 09:23PM)
Yikes! Guys, I didn't think people would get so uptight about my video quality comment...wasn't trying to start anything...just wanted to see a good quality video about the smoke from the [url=http://www.sansminds.com/index.php/vapr-watch-1/vapr-watch.html]VAPR Watch[/url] ...haven't we all seen and purchased smoke devices and been disappointed with the smoke *cough* Cloud 9 *cough*?
Message: Posted by: Magicrcook (Feb 4, 2017 11:18AM)
Using a smoke device and a watch together sounds great..but what if one breaks. Your customer service to me on Vapr has been worse than terrible. The Vapr that I purchased DIRECTLY from you never worked. I sent in a video of it not working as you requested and have been ignored since despite writing an email everyday. I like the concept but I'd sure like to see any evidence of customer support before making an expensive purchase. Or do you go by the buyer beware philosophy?
Message: Posted by: SansMinds (Feb 4, 2017 01:36PM)
[quote]On Feb 4, 2017, Magicrcook wrote:

"Using a smoke device and a watch together sounds great..but what if one breaks. Your customer service to me on Vapr has been worse than terrible. The Vapr that I purchased DIRECTLY from you never worked. I sent in a video of it not working as you requested and have been ignored since despite writing an email everyday. I like the concept but I'd sure like to see any evidence of customer support before making an expensive purchase. Or do you go by the buyer beware philosophy?"

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Hi Magicrook,

My name is Rich. I am the PM at SansMinds Magic. Just letting you know that we are currently [i]extremely[/i] backed- up for our email support. The wait time right now is approx 4-5 working days. The team is working very hard to get to [i]all[/i] emails.

Can you please send me the video you originally sent to support directly to me? rich@sansminds.com and I will take care of you personally. :)

We will be reaching out to you via your personal email. :)

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Message: Posted by: Magicalos (Feb 5, 2017 01:24PM)
Trigger pulled...black watch standard package...cant wait
Message: Posted by: WizTom (Feb 6, 2017 04:29AM)
Is anyone here from the "300" from Europe who already got the watch? I'm here in the dark. I know there were problems with the customs, but should not the watches be sent seperate? What has become of it? In Blackpool, the watches are probably also presented. *hmmm* Actually I thought we - the "financiers" get the watch in early February...


I have ordered 2 watches, but now I am a bit concerned. How is the Status about shipping the watches seperate to Europe and then the Refills?
And no answer yet from "Sansminds"... :-( I know, they are busy, but I think we deserve some information...
Message: Posted by: SansMinds (Feb 7, 2017 12:32AM)
[quote]On Feb 6, 2017, WizTom wrote:
Is anyone here from the "300" from Europe who already got the watch? I'm here in the dark. I know there were problems with the customs, but should not the watches be sent seperate? What has become of it? In Blackpool, the watches are probably also presented. *hmmm* Actually I thought we - the "financiers" get the watch in early February...


I have ordered 2 watches, but now I am a bit concerned. How is the Status about shipping the watches seperate to Europe and then the Refills?
And no answer yet from "Sansminds"... :-( I know, they are busy, but I think we deserve some information... [/quote]



Hi Tom

Currently, most of the Europe packages are returned back to our package forwarder.

We actually have 3 situations right now.

1) Custom paperwork was sent in advance (while the physical items are pending to ship) for clearance but the paperwork was rejected
2) Everything all arrived at the destination country but the customs reject the entire package and return back to us
3) Some we were able to have our customs broker to physically present the item to customs for clearance. That is why some people received the item without the refill but the watch made it.


The last situation is a 50% chance as we do not get to choose if we can present the item with our customs broker. Some customs just return the package right away.

Right now our solution is to ship the package out with only the watch and ship the refill after. This guarantees the watch to arrive for sure.

The issue is now we are very limited with stock. Our backup units are not enough to cover all the Europe and Asia customers. We need to wait until the return packages to arrive back to the package forwarder, QC them again to make sure no damages, then ship out to the customers again. This process is taking a lot longer than we expected. We really appreciate everyone's patience while we sort out this mess.

Thanks to everyone for the support during this campaign. If anyone has questions regarding their order feel free to reach out to me. My email is in the previous post.

-Rich
Message: Posted by: WizTom (Feb 7, 2017 07:57AM)
Hello Rich!

Thanks for the detailed report. It is regrettable to hear that you have such problems.
Something frightening for me, since I am one of the "300" and now I'm afraid not to get my watch or very late.
Well, better late than never.

But you certainly have a system. This all would have to be seen by the tracking numbers, what was assigned
and what is not, or where the package is located. Or?

I would be glad if I had such a number, so I could understand all this better and track my package.
Is there any chance to get my number?

Hopefully you will find a quick solution!

In the hope of getting my watches as soon as possible ...

Sincerely
Tom
Message: Posted by: emyers99 (Feb 7, 2017 08:25AM)
Got mine yesterday. Great kit and instructional video. Explanations are clear and easy to follow. The watch seems very nice and I hope it holds up but only time will tell. Louder than I expected. Was playing with it in bed. Wife was watching tv and said "what is that sound." Surprising given that she always has the tv blaring. in any event, really excited to play with this one. What sucks is I just realized that I do most of my coin vanishes/false transfers left handed. So I'll have to wear my watch on my right hand which I absolutely hate. That said, the watch is designed to be worn on either wrist which was a nice feature they built in.
Message: Posted by: funboy247 (Feb 8, 2017 03:46AM)
One refill cost 28,95 USD???? WOW.....
Message: Posted by: dui_motta (Feb 8, 2017 06:59AM)
Thanks for all review
I just order one standard package and it will be great stuff

And the shipping dropped nearly half than before. ,cheers
Message: Posted by: funnyclown (Feb 8, 2017 10:37AM)
[quote]On Feb 8, 2017, funboy247 wrote:
One refill cost 28,95 USD???? WOW..... [/quote]

Hi Funboy247,

It's actually one refill pack. Each pack has 7 refills. Each refill has about 100 three second puffs. Also keep in mind the fluid required for the watch is zero residue so this liquid is of a very high quality. So one refill pack for $28.95 will give you 700 three second puffs. But you'll save money if you get the standard or collectors pack.
Message: Posted by: MagicalEducator (Feb 8, 2017 10:45PM)
Everyone I know is going gaga over the watch but I'm just not sold. The size of the watch and style just doesn't suit me. Perhaps if I was 20 something again then I could pull this off. I know that people will say that the watch really doesn't get seen but I just wouldn't wear a watch that looks like it belongs on Ali G. I also have concerns in terms of quality and longevity. I note that some previous posts speak to customer service issues and that also makes me want to stay on the sidelines.

jeff
Message: Posted by: Legendary Wizard (Feb 9, 2017 11:38AM)
I actually felt this is one of the best watch design I've ever seen and worn . Pure perfection ~ I would even pay to get a fully functioning watch ( including the three dials ) that looks like the VAPR watch made if possible . It just fits beautifully on me .
Message: Posted by: Phatmeat (Feb 11, 2017 01:23PM)
Here's a video review of the Vapr Watch by YouTuber Da'Mon: https://youtu.be/S1HLwNaXwbo
Message: Posted by: funnyclown (Feb 11, 2017 06:18PM)
Hello Magic Cafť and Vapr Watch fans,

We only have four days to make our crowd funding goal of 2000 watches. We are so close but we need your help to jump over the goal. We are at 67%. We can do this. Tell your friends. If we can push this over the top we will all get our watches by May 2017. That would be awesome. Also it will push Sansminds to make more amazing pro series magic in 2017.

Here's the link to current update. I know we can do this!! Now is the time to get your watch. I suggest the collectors set so you get the best value and free refill packs.

http://www.sansminds.com/vaprwatchupdate
Message: Posted by: Magic KL (Feb 11, 2017 10:49PM)
Maybe they can change the price back to the initial price - $175? I am not saying that the watch doesnĎt worth $250. I am just thinking that if they lower the price, people who are on the fence will jump in. Also, the ones who already own one might consider getting a backup. Just an idea. Again, I am not saying that it is not worth getting at its already low price.
Message: Posted by: Mysterious Mike (Feb 11, 2017 11:17PM)
Doing what I can... just ordered.
Message: Posted by: elimagic (Feb 12, 2017 07:57AM)
Id buy it today for 175, but I have trust issues with sansmind... bad dealings in the past but I would be willing to risk it for 175.
Message: Posted by: Kaliix (Feb 12, 2017 08:47AM)
Yeah, the project needs 600+ buyers in three days... I doubt it will be funded.
Message: Posted by: Magic KL (Feb 12, 2017 03:02PM)
[quote]On Feb 12, 2017, Kaliix wrote:
Yeah, the project needs 600+ buyers in three days... I doubt it will be funded. [/quote]

Unless they go with my suggestion...
Message: Posted by: pelicantrapper (Feb 12, 2017 05:51PM)
Here is a review I did that is a little bit more in-depth than the ones that have been made. I hope it makes anybody else on the fence make an informed decision. https://youtu.be/1YRDOMfX934

Thanks!
Message: Posted by: magicnorm (Feb 12, 2017 06:14PM)
So orders in after the 300, are they filled or refunded if the goal is not reached to " fund "? I preferred a short time ago
and everything seemed to go thru with no problem. Just thought I'd ask.

Nm
Message: Posted by: funnyclown (Feb 12, 2017 06:36PM)
Magicnorm,

All pledges will be fulfilled regardless of the campaign's outcome
Message: Posted by: magicnorm (Feb 12, 2017 08:13PM)
Thanks for the info Mike, that's kinda of the feeling I had. Really looking forward to this and I might take the jump
and order gold one.

Nm
Message: Posted by: funnyclown (Feb 12, 2017 11:59PM)
Magicnorm,

But of course you must have your pledge in before February 15. That is the date the campaign will end and you will no longer be able to order the watch after February 15.
Message: Posted by: Will Tsai (Feb 13, 2017 11:05PM)
Hi guys, we are 3 days away from the deadline. After we have overcome most of the unexpected custom issues and people started to received the watch, reviews spread and the progress in just the past week has been amazing. However the unexpected custom issues and delays has a major impact on our campaign. We are less than 30% away but we are NOT making it. Many have left message to us believing we will definitely make it and they'd just wait for the local dealers. It's looking like it's not going to happen that. Our only hope is the next 3 days. If you are still hesitant and feel like waiting, this may really be it. It's now or never. I'd like to invite all friends here to spread the words one last time and invite your magical friends to join us, support the campaign, and get a secret weapon that you WILL use as your everyday watch. If we fail this time, we will not be able to be innovative in this production scale again. And we really hope to can continue to do this for the community. Please help us.

For those who are on the fence, here are some comments from the pros who have worked with the watch since the release of it.

Shawn Farquhar :: "Iíve never done a video testimonial before. But Vapr Watch deserves it. This is an awesome product!"

Franz Harary :: "My Manipulation skills are "minimal" at best. But this product has transformed me into a close up God!"

Eric Jones :: "I am only gonna say this once. Vapr Watch is phenomenal. Itís a GAME CHANGER and now on the top of my "every day carry" list..."

Shim Lin :: "I love the amount of smoke Vapr Watch produces."

Paul Rohmany :: "This is a piece of art. t's JAMES BOND watch. Extremely well made!"

Alan Rorrison :: Just GET IT. You WILL use it."

Will Tsai :: "I am absolutely biased to say this. But Vapr Watch is a watch that I am proud to wear and it makes me a better magician. Really!"


Thanks for your time reading and all your support guys.

Best,
-will
Message: Posted by: Acecardician (Feb 14, 2017 10:57AM)
More people might be willing to sign up, including me, if they did not charge people until the item ships.

I don't want someone holding my money without paying me interest over an indefinite amount of time.
Message: Posted by: funnyclown (Feb 14, 2017 11:22AM)
Acecardician,

This is how a crowdfunding campaign works. If this project went through the normal channels like most magic trick items ( Murphy Magic as a distributor) you would be paying $400 from your local dealer. But in this case we are buying the Vapr Watch at a significant lower market price because Sansminds needs the funding to manufacture the product so they need to charge before product ships. Keep in mind the Lynx Smoke watch cost $375 retail. We are paying $250 wholesale. The Vapr Watch is also a next generation product compared to the Lynx Smoke Watch. I think that savings covers your interest issue. In this case since the Vapr Watch is failing to achieve its goals after the campaign you will not be able to buy it at any price accept for after market sales.

I hope that helps.
Message: Posted by: Kaliix (Feb 14, 2017 01:57PM)
I am not expert on crowdfunding, but at a site like kickstarter, the money isn't charged until the [url=https://www.kickstarter.com/help/faq/kickstarter+basics]funding goal is reached.[/url]

There are several aspects of this "crowdfunding" project that make me leery and having to put money up front before knowing when the item is actually going to be delivered would be one of them. I'd feel much better about this if it was funded on a legitimate site like kickstarter. Otherwise you take your chances and Sansminds has missed enough with their products that they don't get the benefit of the doubt, atleast not from me.

[quote]On Feb 14, 2017, funnyclown wrote:
Acecardician,

This is how a crowdfunding campaign works. If this project went through the normal channels like most magic trick items ( Murphy Magic as a distributor) you would be paying $400 from your local dealer. But in this case we are buying the Vapr Watch at a significant lower market price because Sansminds needs the funding to manufacture the product so they need to charge before product ships. Keep in mind the Lynx Smoke watch cost $375 retail. We are paying $250 wholesale. The Vapr Watch is also a next generation product compared to the Lynx Smoke Watch. I think that savings covers your interest issue. In this case since the Vapr Watch is failing to achieve its goals after the campaign you will not be able to buy it at any price accept for after market sales.

I hope that helps. [/quote]
Message: Posted by: Mysterious Mike (Feb 14, 2017 02:27PM)
I think we give sansminds a reasonable amount of time to deliver. Then ask for a refund/ or make a PayPal claim.
Message: Posted by: funnyclown (Feb 14, 2017 02:46PM)
Sansminds has already said in their official video at anytime before your watch is shipped and you no longer want to wait you can request a full refund.
Message: Posted by: Mysterious Mike (Feb 14, 2017 02:54PM)
[quote]On Feb 14, 2017, funnyclown wrote:
Sansminds has already said in their official video at anytime before your watch is shipped and you no longer want to wait you can request a full refund. [/quote]

Yes, but quite a few people have some trust issues in this particular case.
Message: Posted by: funnyclown (Feb 15, 2017 03:42AM)
Less than 24 hours to get your Vapr Watch or it will be gone forever!
Message: Posted by: Andrew J. K. (Feb 15, 2017 07:59AM)
Would someone be so kind to explain me why the campaign cut off date has to end today, Wednesday the 15th of February?

Why has the deadline to be strictly the 15th of February?

What will happen if (just my thought) if Will and the Sansminds team members decide to extend the target date for just a few days?

Furthermore, I'd like to point out that the WARP WATCH UPDATE page hasn't been updated since last Saturday, the 11th of February.

To be more specific, there is the following message at the moment: " 67% (backers), Goal: 2,000 Units, Progress: 1,340 units,
Remaining: 660 units, 4 DAYS UNTIL DEADLINE".

I think that if they had updated the page, everyone would have a more clear image of the backers' status which I'm sure
that it has changed and that their amount has gotten much bigger since last Saturday.

It's obvious, that by not keeping updated the particular page, they discourage people from placing their order.

I just don't get it. Are they thinking reasonably or not?

Supposing that the progress got bigger since last Saturday and the amount of the remaining units got less,
much closer to zero at the moment, a lot of pontenial customers who are still on the fence would immediately
(even on the last day, the last hour, the last minute before the campaign's deadline) press the "BUY" button
so that Sansminds would be able to achieve their 2,000 unit goal and get to mass production of the VAPR watch.

Just my thoughts.

Sincerely,
Andrew K.
Message: Posted by: Andrew J. K. (Feb 15, 2017 11:20AM)
[quote]On Feb 2, 2017, Will Tsai wrote:
Hello supporters and friends here, I haven't been able to check in due to some unexpected health issue. I am finally feeling better and am here to answer a couple questions personally.

[b]Andrew J. K.[/b] : Have you been following our emails or social medias? Because we only have limited staff, any emails in general, will be answered within 24 hours. Due to the recent email volume, there's expected delay of getting your answers. Many have asked the same questions without reading the information we posted on the site and different platforms, so we've also made a page with quite a few common questions and answers. If you need some general answers, it's probably there. Also, if you place your oder (pledge), your watch WILL BE DELIVERED. We are trying our best to work with the time frame and situation we are given. Not sure why you are so certain about we are not going to deliver but provide the refund. The refund is an option we offer for those supporters who may wish so during the wait time. You never know when you need the cash. It's only fair that way for those who choose to support us. You seem to have strong opinion toward our brand without having an actual purchase experience with us; which is fine I fully respect your opinion. But if you are posting information and making statements, please do refer to what we've already posted on the site and our social media so everyone is on the same page with the same correct information. Thank you Andrew.

- [/quote]

Dear Will,

First of all, let me point out that I'm a big fan of your work.

Besides being a brilliant thinker and creator, you seem to be a nice person and a trustworthy one as well.

Don't ask me how do I know it. I don't. But I sense it (besides, I'm a mentalist :) ).

Of course I don't know you personally but your body language and your vibes in general seem to me positive.

I'm a proud owner of a few of your own, personal creations like "Infinity Ring" and "Trace" and as well of a few
others either of your Pro-Series by your Creation Lab, like The "Vanishing Ring" or of your ordinary, less expensive
series.

But I (and quite a few others) have to admit that just a few products of your ordinary, less expensive series are real workers,
which by the way it's fine with me. Just my opinion.

Secondly, I'd like you to know that I fully respect you and never had the intention to offend you or your company in any way.

And I think I never did it either in this forum or in any other way or any other place.

You are asking me if I have been following your emails or social media.

With regard to your emails, yes I have read all of them.

However they didn't shed any light on my queries.

As of the social media, I do not follow any of them since I have neither a Facebook nor a Twitter
or Instagram, etc. account and I never will open one.

This way of communication simply does't fit my personality. I could maybe put the blame on my age or my main occupation,
since besides being a part time performer (mostly as a mentalist), I'm a 50 years old family man and a traditional newspaper
journalist who usually prefers to meet people on person rather than to exchange opinions or meeting new people from a distance,
using the Internet.

You said also that you're not sure why I'm so certain about you are not going to deliver the watches but provide the refund.

I never said that I'm certain about this.

It was just an assumption, based on the probability that you won't have the needed cash and logical time frame in order to assemble
by hand all the orders which could be for example 1,800 or 1,940.

Just think of that possibility...

In such a case, I really can't understand why you won't be able to go to mass production and ship all the order on May.

Are you saying that if the campaign comes to its end and the amount of backers (pre-orders) are off by, let's say, 60 units,
you will not go to mass production?

That sounds really akward and certainly unreasonable.

Do you want me to believe that if the campaign fails -in case you won't make it to 2,000 units, although, let's assume,
that the units of watches that would have been backed at the end of the campaign would be 1,940 or 1,990(!)- you won't
go to mass production?

Sorry, Will but it's hard to swallow it.

Let's suppose that you will have the required funds. It's just an assumption. What will you do then?

Assemble one by one watch by hand (we're talking about nearly 2,000 units but not 2,000 which is your goal
to go to mass production) and send after that each of them in a first come, first serve basis?

Do you know how long will this procedure last for?

Do you think that (especially whenever comes to magic) there will be quite a few customers who are willing to wait,
let's say, until the ...middle of 2018 to receive their order? I don't think so. Not a single chance.

I assume that they will lose their patience and ask for full refund.

And let's be fair. I never questioned your promise that you will do it.

Have you or any other here in the Cafi ever had to wait for a pre-ordered magic item to be delivered, being at the
same time obliged to be patient for 8 months (the best case scenario) or even for a whole year in order to hold your
purchased item finally in your hands?

I'm sure you know this feeling very well.

You also pointed out in your post that I seem to have strong opinion toward your brand without having an actual purchase experience
with you and that it's fine with you as you fully respect my opinion.

With all due respect, firstly where did you notice my strong opinion toward your brand?

And secondly, I'll refer you to the posts of quite a few members of the Cafi here to answer on behalf of me.

The vast majority of them do refer (and not with the kindest words) to their bad expereience they had with your
after sale customer service and your communication issues which (both of them) are not the best.

"Not the best". That was what I wrote exactly in my post. Is this such a bad thing?

I never used the words "the worst", "bad" or anything similar tha could be offensive to your company.

Do you feel offended if someone says that your customer service is not the best among the ones of several others magic dealers?

Do you find the term "not the best" offensive for your company? I don't think so.

Once more, with all due respect, I think you should get more familiar with the term "productive criticism".

Finally, you said that the refund is an option your company offers for those supporters who may wish so during the wait time.

I think that all will agree, that this is a major factor, an important part of any magic dealer's customer service. Not only yours.

And last but not least, here's what I was talking about:

On Feb 14, 2017, funnyclown wrote:
Sansminds has already said in their official video at anytime before your watch is shipped
and you no longer want to wait you can request a full refund.

And this is "Mysterious Mike's" reply:

"Yes, but quite a few people have some trust issues in this particular case".

I do apologize for my very long post; however I hope you will receive it as a a productive one.

Wish you from my bottom of my heart, to reach your goal and go to mass production.

Sincerely,
Andrew K.
Message: Posted by: funnyclown (Feb 15, 2017 11:31AM)
I'm with you Andrew. I sincerely hope the campaign will succeed. My understanding to why the campaign has a sharp closing date of February 15 is because Sansminds has a strict contract with Seiko (the manufacturer) to have the end date on February 15th. In a past response they (Sansminds) said manufacturers do not like to wait for production as they have schedules to keep. I'm hoping that Blackpool sales will count towards our campaign but everything we've read so far says February 15 is a hard close to campaign. I sure hope they can negotiate an extension. That would really help. They have said in past Facebook posts that an extension past February 15 was not up to Sansminds choice it's up the manufacturer (Seiko).
Message: Posted by: WizTom (Feb 15, 2017 11:59AM)
Happy Day!!!

My watch just arrived. Thank you Sansminds!
No custom charges or fees...
Fantastic!!!

And the watch is a dream!!!
Message: Posted by: Andrew J. K. (Feb 15, 2017 12:08PM)
Thanks for your backing, "funnyclown".

I really much appreciate this since it really means a lot to me.

I'm sure that Will, will (no pun intended) manage to persuade the Seiko officials and negotiate an extension.

I can't believe that the Seiko officials do set certain and so strict rules whenever they negotiate a contract
for a mass production of an item.

Come on, for God's sake.

How can these businessmen be so impersonal and all they are thinking about is strict deadlines
and money, money, money?

All that is needed is an extension of a few more days or maybe a week.

I'm sure that those who are still on the fence, will be persuaded by then and push the "BUY" button
in order for Sansminds to meet their goal on time.

However, I'm still wondering why Sansminds haven't updated their CAMPAIGN CUT OFF DATE page yet,
since the last update took place last Saturday, 11th of February.

Hopefully, someone from the SM team could chime in and shed some light. This would be well appreciated.

Andrew K.
Message: Posted by: Andrew J. K. (Feb 15, 2017 12:15PM)
[quote]On Feb 15, 2017, WizTom wrote:
Happy Day!!!

My watch just arrived. Thank you Sansminds!
No custom charges or fees...
Fantastic!!!

And the watch is a dream!!! [/quote]

Where are you from, "WizTom"? I think you are from an Europen country if my memory serves me well.

If you don't mind, would you be so kind to let us know from which country exactly do you come from?

That "no custom charges or fees..." is very intriquing. The same applies to that "Fantastic!!!" regarding
the watch you received.

Wish yoy to enjoy it as much as it gets!

Sincerely,
Andrew K.
Message: Posted by: funnyclown (Feb 15, 2017 12:22PM)
It's my understanding that many of the Sansminds team left for Blackpool to promote their pro-series line. The Vapr Watch will be part of that special promotion. They also stated in the Facebook group the price of Vapr Watch at Blackpool will be much higher than we are being offered until midnight tonight.
I also heard from the Facebook group that after the campaign ends on February 15 their website will be shutdown for a few days. I'm not sure if they will respond to tell us the success or failure of the campaign until after the campaign ends. My fingers are crossed for a successful campaign.
Message: Posted by: Andrew J. K. (Feb 15, 2017 12:42PM)
Thanks for the valuable information, "funnyclown".
Hopefully, SM will make it.
Message: Posted by: jamo425 (Feb 15, 2017 02:05PM)
Originally I thought I was going to have to pass up on this, as I wasn't going to have the funds by today. But.. by some miracle, I just got my tax return today and was able to place my order!

Looks like I'll be waiting a bit though, as I'm sure after the initial 300 it's a first come first serve basis. Seeing as how I just placed my order, I'm sure I'm at the bottom of the list. I'm hoping I'll have mine delivered at least some time over spring/summer.

Anyone know if the crowd funding fails (and it appears it very well might judging from the last update), how long the watches will take to be assembled and delivered? Just like a general time frame? 1-3 months, 3-6 months? Longer? Just curious.

Anyway, best of luck by the way with funding the project. Hopefully, with today being the last day, people will step up and realize that if they don't place an order, they will never have the opportunity to own a Vapr Watch again. Unless someone develops a surgical implant that goes into your hand and allows you to produce smoke from it.. I don't know how anyone can raise the bar from here. Plus with all the great reviews on this, I know I would hate to miss out on this bad boy. Glad I was able to get my order in while I still could!

Thanks,

Jameson
Message: Posted by: Andrew J. K. (Feb 15, 2017 04:42PM)
I got an update status of the VAPR watch campaign from Sansminds a few minutes ago.

According to the sender, the amount of the backers has reached the 75% of SM's goal which corresponds to 1,500 units.

Come on guys, there are less than 500 units left and you have still approximately 6,5 hours to place your order,
if my time calculations (different time zones between Canada/USA and Europe) are right and my memory serves me well.

Let's get make dreams come true.

All the best, Will.
Andrew K.
Message: Posted by: Andrew J. K. (Feb 15, 2017 05:04PM)
Hope I was wrong about the remaining time regarding the deadline as I noticed
that in a previous email by SM, I got the following message:

"We are officially in the final countdown. Campaign is over on Feb 15, 2017 11:59 PM PT!!".

This means that the remaining time is much more than 6,5 hours.

To be more specific, there are still 9 HOURS left, taking into consideration that the PM time is 15:00 at the moment.

In case my calcultions are not correct, I'd much appreciate if someone chimes in to give the right amount of hours left.

Hope this helps.

Andrew K.
Message: Posted by: Andrew J. K. (Feb 15, 2017 06:15PM)
Could I have your attention for a moment, please?

I tried to place an order (Collector's Package) on behalf of a good friend of mine a few minutes ago.

Unfortunately, I noticed that as I tried to log in to my account in order to continue with the checkout
that the URL address of Sansminds (www.sansminds.com) is recognized by my Norton Internet Security software
as a suspicious website and I was warned to stay away from it.

Furthermore, there is a red slash on the well known little safety padlock which usually appears at the
beginning of the upper most URL address bar (Btw, I use Mozilla Firefox as my default browser), which
means that any further info given by me are not safe but transparent to anyone who is surfing on the
Internet and has some basic skills on computer programming.

Norton Security simply recommended me to not continue with the login procedure, stating that access is denied;
however, it also states that I could enter if I wished so but in that case it would be on my own risk.

It's the first time that such a major safety issue occurred to me whenever I have visited SM's website.

Can anyone of you help me and tell me what to do?

Are anyone of you facing the same dilemma like me?

Any hint would be well appreciated as long as it will come here as soon as possible
and of course before the campaign's deadline.

Thank you in advance.

Sincerely,
Andrew K.

P.S. Should I try to log in to my account by using another browser, like Chrome for example?
Message: Posted by: Bill Hegbli (Feb 15, 2017 06:27PM)
Andrew J. K., the reason you get that warning, further looking it should show you they have not paid to update their security certificate. They are going to close the website down tonight or tomorrow. So why update certificate if they are going to shut it down.

If you can get into your account, I see not reason it would be a fake site or plant a virus on your computer.

If Norton will not let you proceed, just use the auto shut off for a few minutes. Right click on the icon in notification taskbar. Then click "disable auto protect".

You have to decide, so you will sleep well after ordering, just run Norton's to see if anything is detected.
Message: Posted by: Andrew J. K. (Feb 15, 2017 06:29PM)
Unfortunately, same problem with Chrome.

Access denied.

My Norton Internet Security software is recommending me to not proceed with the log in; however below
the warning, there is a message that says "DO ENTER ONLY IF YOU ARE 100% SURE THAT THIS IS A SAFETY WEBSITE".

How the heck should I know whether the particular address that is shown on my computer screen is a safety one?

Once more, any help would be well appreciated.
Message: Posted by: Andrew J. K. (Feb 15, 2017 06:46PM)
[quote]On Feb 15, 2017, Bill Hegbli wrote:
Andrew J. K., the reason you get that warning, further looking it should show you they have not paid to update their security certificate. They are going to close the website down tonight or tomorrow. So why update certificate if they are going to shut it down.

If you can get into your account, I see not reason it would be a fake site or plant a virus on your computer.

If Norton will not let you proceed, just use the auto shut off for a few minutes. Right click on the icon in notification taskbar. Then click "disable auto protect".

You have to decide, so you will sleep well after ordering, just run Norton's to see if anything is detected. [/quote]

Thank you very much for chimming in, Bill. Your help is much appreciated.

Why do you believe that they are going to shut their website down either today or tomorrow?

The website has to continue being functional regardless of the end of the campaign.

I thought they are selling other products as well. Or do I miss something?

So, why should they shut down their website and not paying for updating their security certificate?

Furthermore, if I log in and place my order, all the data (credid card number, personal data,etc.) would
be in a big risk.

And let me remind you that most of us will get our watches sometime during summer or even later.

And I think that's a lot of time for me to be worried every day about the possibility that someone could
alter for example my shipping address and become the one that will get my order.

Or even worse, he could steal my creadit card number and use it for his own benefit.

Bottom line: Do you see anything akward or suspicious about the possibility SM to shut down their website
after the campaign comes to an end? Don't they really care to continue to sell their other products?

Thank you once more for being so kind and helpful.

A brief reply just to ease my worries, Bill, would be well appreciated.

Sincerely,
Andrew K.
Message: Posted by: Mysterious Mike (Feb 15, 2017 07:00PM)
[quote]On Feb 15, 2017, Andrew J. K. wrote:
[quote]On Feb 15, 2017, Bill Hegbli wrote:
Andrew J. K., the reason you get that warning, further looking it should show you they have not paid to update their security certificate. They are going to close the website down tonight or tomorrow. So why update certificate if they are going to shut it down.

If you can get into your account, I see not reason it would be a fake site or plant a virus on your computer.

If Norton will not let you proceed, just use the auto shut off for a few minutes. Right click on the icon in notification taskbar. Then click "disable auto protect".

You have to decide, so you will sleep well after ordering, just run Norton's to see if anything is detected. [/quote]

Thank you very much for chimming in, Bill. Your help is much appreciated.

Why do you believe that they are going to shut their website down either today or tomorrow?

The website has to continue being functional regardless of the end of the campaign.

I thought they are selling other products as well. Or do I miss something?

So, why should they shut down their website and not paying for updating their security certificate?

Furthermore, if I log in and place my order, all the data (credid card number, personal data,etc.) would
be in a big risk.

And let me remind you that most of us will get our watches sometime during summer or even later.

And I think that's a lot of time for me to be worried every day about the possibility that someone could
alter for example my shipping address and become the one that will get my order.

Or even worse, he could steal my creadit card number and use it for his own benefit.

Bottom line: Do you see anything akward or suspicious about the possibility SM to shut down their website
after the campaign comes to an end? Don't they really care to continue to sell their other products?

Thank you once more for being so kind and helpful.

A brief reply just to ease my worries, Bill, would be well appreciated.

Sincerely,
Andrew K. [/quote]

If you pay using paypal, you wouldn't be giving sansminds any credit card information.
Message: Posted by: funnyclown (Feb 15, 2017 07:06PM)
I had no problem using the website on my iPhone using Safari. It's true Sansminds has said they will shutdown website for a few days after the campaign ends.
Message: Posted by: Andrew J. K. (Feb 15, 2017 07:29PM)
Thank you for chimming in to help me, "Mysterious Mike".

I much appreciate your kind gesture.

You're right about using Paypal.

However whenever I try to log in and enter my username and my password, the latter is not protected at all.

That means that any bad guy with an advance knowledge on computer programming would have easily access to my personal
data of my SM's account such as billing and shipping address.

Paying using Paypal, there is no chance to give away my cretit card data. You are right.

But, as I mentioned in one of my previous posts, what if someone logs in to my account using my password
and alter for example the shipping address or some other data?

Or leave a message to the SM's staff that he would prefer (pretending that he is myself) the order to be shipped to an other address,
whichj practically means that I won't never receive my order and I (my friend in this case) would lose almost 600.00 USD, since I won't
be able to open a dispute on Paypal as at that time I would have no right to do so, according to Paypal's time frame dispute policy.

And the bad guy would receive my goodies instead of me...

Anyway. Thanks a lot for being so kind and supportive. I really much appreciate this.

The bad news is that the time in Athens at the moment is 3:15am and the SM's campaign ends at 7:00am.

I have less than 4 hours left, but sometime I'll have to go to sleep. I can barely hold my eyes open.

I'll wait for the moment. Maybe someone here comes with a better and above all safe solution.

Otherwise, I really don't know what to do, even though I think that I tend more to go for it and take the risk.

Time 9or someone of you here in the Cafi0, will hopefully tell. :)

Thank you once more for being helpful and supportive.

Sincerely,
Andrew K.
Message: Posted by: Andrew J. K. (Feb 15, 2017 07:37PM)
[quote]On Feb 15, 2017, funnyclown wrote:
I had no problem using the website on my iPhone using Safari. It's true Sansminds has said they will shutdown website for a few days after the campaign ends. [/quote]

I understand that. But why wouldn't they pay to update their security certificate if they normally intend sometime later
(let's say a week or even two after the campaign ends) to open again their website?

It simply doesn't make any sense.

Anyway. Thanks for chimming in once more, "funnyclown".
Message: Posted by: Andrew J. K. (Feb 15, 2017 08:54PM)
Finally, I made my decision to take the risk and placed my order (Collector Package for 499.00 USD with an additional amount of 78.00 USD for shipping costs).

That makes a total of 577.95 USD.

That's it. I did it. Hopefully it was worthy.

So, Will, as you can see, I kept my promise and showed you that I trust you blindly by ordering the Collector Package.

Now, the ball is on your side.

I hope you keep your promise as well which means that there isn't the slightest possibility for me to not receive -even if I have to wait
until summer- my collector package (one gold and one black watch, plus the 10 Refill Packs) that I ordered about half an hour ago.

Time will tell whether besides being a brilliant creator and a nice person, you are a true gentleman as well.

I do apologize for my successive posts but I was really desperate and confused.

Hope you all will forgive me. :)

Kindest regards,
Andrew K.
Message: Posted by: elimagic (Feb 15, 2017 10:00PM)
My order is in.... I do mostly mentalism now but I have a theatrical magic piece that a puff of smoke would be perfect for. Collectors edition coming my way. I would be pretty surprised if this didn't get funded.

-Eli
Message: Posted by: Acecardician (Feb 15, 2017 10:03PM)
[quote]On Feb 15, 2017, funnyclown wrote:
I had no problem using the website on my iPhone using Safari. It's true Sansminds has said they will shutdown website for a few days after the campaign ends. [/quote]

From an earlier post...Not quite $250, by the time you do ad-ons and postage it is an easy $400. According to another post they sold approx. 1500 units.

So they have all that money and are going to shut down the sight after I pay tonight. That sounds suspicious. I was going to get one, but from everything I read in this thread now I am scared.

With about half a million dollars + they should hire staff to take care of all the problems.( Just my opinion)

And if they never deliver, even credit cards have a time limit to make a claim. I really was interested, but now I will not get one. The negatives in this thread outweigh the positives.

Thanks to everyone for all the information to help me make my decision. I will sleep well tonight.
Message: Posted by: elimagic (Feb 15, 2017 10:07PM)
[quote]On Feb 15, 2017, Acecardician wrote:
[quote]On Feb 15, 2017, funnyclown wrote:
I had no problem using the website on my iPhone using Safari. It's true Sansminds has said they will shutdown website for a few days after the campaign ends. [/quote]

From an earlier post...Not quite $250, by the time you do ad-ons and postage it is an easy $400. According to another post they sold approx. 1500 units.

So they have all that money and are going to shut down the sight after I pay tonight. That sounds suspicious. I was going to get one, but from everything I read in this thread now I am scared.

With about half a million dollars + they should hire staff to take care of all the problems.( Just my opinion)

And if they never deliver, even credit cards have a time limit to make a claim. I really was interested, but now I will not get one. The negatives in this thread outweigh the positives.

Thanks to everyone for all the information to help me make my decision. I will sleep well tonight. [/quote]


You can buy my second watch after I get it. I bought the collectors edition for the sole purpose of selling off the second. Although I will be one of the last ones to get mine haha O well. I'm hoping I get it by mid summer but that might be wishful thinking.

-Eli
Message: Posted by: Mysterious Mike (Feb 15, 2017 10:38PM)
[quote]On Feb 15, 2017, Acecardician wrote:
[quote]On Feb 15, 2017, funnyclown wrote:
I had no problem using the website on my iPhone using Safari. It's true Sansminds has said they will shutdown website for a few days after the campaign ends. [/quote]

From an earlier post...Not quite $250, by the time you do ad-ons and postage it is an easy $400. According to another post they sold approx. 1500 units.

So they have all that money and are going to shut down the sight after I pay tonight. That sounds suspicious. I was going to get one, but from everything I read in this thread now I am scared.

With about half a million dollars + they should hire staff to take care of all the problems.( Just my opinion)

And if they never deliver, even credit cards have a time limit to make a claim. I really was interested, but now I will not get one. The negatives in this thread outweigh the positives.

Thanks to everyone for all the information to help me make my decision. I will sleep well tonight. [/quote]

PayPal gives you six months buyer protection.
Message: Posted by: funnyclown (Feb 15, 2017 11:40PM)
Two more hours left to get your Vapr Watch. There is ZERO RISK. Personally I completely trust Sansminds but even if you were skeptical PAYPAL gives you six months buyers protection. So if your concerned in six months from now you can file a refund claim but Sansminds will refund you. There is ZERO risk. Push that BUY button. You only have two more hours. I live in CaIifornia so I live in Pacific time!
Message: Posted by: elimagic (Feb 16, 2017 02:33AM)
Just to clarify, there was no option to buy that extra holding piece for the strap correct? Or did I miss that because I definitely would have wanted that if that was an option, I just didn't see it when checking out. I assumed that was only available to the originally 300 backers. Clarification please to anyone that knows.

-E
Message: Posted by: funnyclown (Feb 16, 2017 03:05AM)
Everyone that bought a Vapr Watch during the campaign will get that extra piece. So you re getting it no problem.
Message: Posted by: Andrew J. K. (Feb 16, 2017 05:06AM)
Just a reminder.

Nine hours before the campaign's cut off time (11:59pm PT, February the 15th), the backers status
had reached the amount of 1,500 units according to an email that was sent by SM to me.

This information was given to me amongst others as a reply to a message I had left in their email box
at their website about more than a week ago.

So, less than 500 units were offered for a time period of 9 HOURS.

I simply would not believe it if they didn't make it at the end.

It would be much appreciated if someone from the SM team would chime in sometime later today
or even within the next few days in order to inform us about the outcome of the campaign.

Sincerely,
Andrew K.
Message: Posted by: funnyclown (Feb 16, 2017 03:32PM)
I just heard from my friend Charlie Dent who is at Blackpool. They are taking preorders for Vapr Watch £325 plus shipping which is packaged with five refill packs. That is $406 usd plus shipping
Message: Posted by: TazBo (Feb 16, 2017 08:40PM)
[quote]On Feb 16, 2017, funnyclown wrote:
I just heard from my friend Charlie Dent who is at Blackpool. They are taking preorders for Vapr Watch £325 plus shipping which is packaged with five refill packs. That is $406 usd plus shipping [/quote]
No, they are selling the watch for £325 including 5 refill packs. I believe they have run out of black watches but still have some gold and silver versions from the Blackpool stock.
Come on guys, if you want this watch to succeed, get your skates on. Just come back from the Ruskin, I might not
Be makiytoo much sense. 😳
Message: Posted by: funnyclown (Feb 16, 2017 08:56PM)
Wow, silver version was not available to us. So do you get the watch immediately or do you get put on waiting list? Are they also charging shipping?
Message: Posted by: TazBo (Feb 17, 2017 01:55AM)
[quote]On Feb 16, 2017, funnyclown wrote:
Wow, silver version was not available to us. So do you get the watch immediately or do you get put on waiting list? Are they also charging shipping? [/quote]

You are able to receive the watch straight away and take it home with you as long as their limited stocks at the convention last.
Message: Posted by: ash2arani (Feb 17, 2017 02:17AM)
What???? So you are saying no waiting time at Blackpool? And you get the chance for a special silver addition? All that for a mere 325 gbp!!
Message: Posted by: catweazle (Feb 17, 2017 03:09AM)
Cue tears and tantrums...

325 is prob including customs tax too.
Message: Posted by: Karl M (Feb 17, 2017 07:56AM)
I tried one on todayand it made my arms look like a babys arms,its a massive thing
Message: Posted by: catweazle (Feb 17, 2017 10:27AM)
[quote]On Feb 17, 2017, catweazle wrote:
Cue tears and tantrums...
[/quote]

Told ya ;)
Message: Posted by: catweazle (Feb 17, 2017 10:42AM)
There is a famous quote that is often cited as being from Albert Einstein...

ďThe definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again, but expecting different resultsĒ.

you are all magicians, you have all bought stuff and regretted it, there are countless threads here of disappointment due to pre-order issues, yet you still do the same thing, and never learn...

Sandsminds were always going to take this to blackpool, the cut off date being the day before blackpool starts should of been a clue to at least some here...
Message: Posted by: Andrew J. K. (Feb 17, 2017 11:07AM)
[quote]On Feb 17, 2017, Karl M wrote:
I tried one on todayand it made my arms look like a babys arms,its a massive thing [/quote]

I assume you are in Blackpool at the moment where it seems that you bought your watch.

If you don't mind, Karl M, would you be so kind to let us know what is the circumference of your wrist?

From what you are saying, it seems that you are a young man, if not a teen.

In my opinion, the size of the watch is perfect.

Also you have to bear in mind that the wrist watches of this size are very popular not only amongst youngsters
but amongst older people as well, like me for example. :)

How old am I? 50 years old and I really feel revitalising and cool every time I wear one of the few
wrist watches I own which most of them are of the same size as VAPR watch and a few others even bigger.

The important thing regarding your purchase is that you have to leave yourself to feel free and enjoy
wearing the VAPR watch. I wish you to enjoy wearing it and performing with it having a great success.

Otherwise, if the particular size is not your cup of tea, you could simply sell it.

I'm pretty sure that in that case there would be hundreds of people who would be interested in grabbing
the opportunity to buy your watch and holding it in their hands within this month.

Just my thoughts.
Message: Posted by: Andrew J. K. (Feb 17, 2017 11:14AM)
[quote]On Feb 17, 2017, catweazle wrote:
[quote]On Feb 17, 2017, catweazle wrote:
Cue tears and tantrums...
[/quote]

Told ya ;) [/quote]

How d*** right you were, indeed!

What the heck are you, a psychic of some sort? :)

Or just a humble, low profile mentalist? :)
Message: Posted by: catweazle (Feb 17, 2017 11:15AM)
The latter ;)
Message: Posted by: Andrew J. K. (Feb 17, 2017 11:53AM)
[quote]On Feb 17, 2017, catweazle wrote:
The latter ;) [/quote]

I fully agree :)
Message: Posted by: catweazle (Feb 17, 2017 11:59AM)
[quote]On Feb 17, 2017, Andrew J. K. wrote:
[quote]On Feb 17, 2017, catweazle wrote:
The latter ;) [/quote]

You are indeed. :) [/quote]


my best trick is predicting stock movements, here is my last prediction from a few days ago

"at best they will push it up to about 3.10 at close, then up a bit premarket, to short down to 2.90 ish with a sub 3 close tomorrow"

in true mentalism fashion, I was of course off by one, it hit 3.09, the rest was spot on.


i love predicting things :)
Message: Posted by: Andrew J. K. (Feb 17, 2017 12:05PM)
[quote]On Feb 17, 2017, catweazle wrote:
[quote]On Feb 17, 2017, Andrew J. K. wrote:
[quote]On Feb 17, 2017, catweazle wrote:
The latter ;) [/quote]

You are indeed. :) [/quote]


my best trick is predicting stock movements, here is my last prediction from a few days ago

"at best they will push it up to about 3.10 at close, then up a bit premarket, to short down to 2.90 ish with a sub 3 close tomorrow"

in true mentalism fashion, I was of course off by one, it hit 3.09, the rest was spot on.


i love predicting things :) [/quote]

LOL! You made my day. :)
Message: Posted by: catweazle (Feb 17, 2017 12:31PM)
:)
Message: Posted by: Andrew J. K. (Feb 17, 2017 07:01PM)
Does anyone who attented since Thursday the Blackpool convention have any further details about the VAPR watch sales issue?

Any fresh information would be well appreciated, while all we backers are still waiting for a spokesman of SansMinds to show
sometime up and shed some light about the aforementioned issue and what they intend to do with our pre-orders and especially
the ones of the backers who went for the Collector Pack, as they gave to Sansminds a lot of money beforehand (500.00 USD plus
78.00 USD for shippping costs).

We even haven't been informed yet about the outcome of the campaign. How does it sound to all of you?

Thank you in advance.

P.S. By the way, how many units do you think they brought with them at Blackpool. I think that you'll agree with me that the
hight of the amount would be very interesting and very informative in order to give us a clear picture of what happened there
and therefore to form an objective opinion.
Message: Posted by: Andrew J. K. (Feb 17, 2017 07:29PM)
[quote]On Feb 17, 2017, Karl M wrote:
I tried one on todayand it made my arms look like a babys arms,its a massive thing [/quote]

Although I already commented on your post (you'll find it a few posts above) by wishing you amongst others, to enjoy the watch you bought
at Blackpool and get the most out of it, the latest development at the convention regarding the VAPR watch sales, made me wonder if you
could do me and I suppose to all of us backers, a big favour.

If you don't mind, would you be so kind, Karl M, to inform us whether there was a heavy demand on the VAPR watches or not?

Did you heart anything about the amount (approximately) of watches been brought or sold over the past two days?

Any information would be well appreciated.

Sincerely,
Andrew K.
Message: Posted by: Karl M (Feb 18, 2017 03:16AM)
Yeah loads of people buying them you see loads of people wearing them and walking around with them but only silver ones left is what the man said to me,so that's what I know mate
Message: Posted by: Andrew J. K. (Feb 18, 2017 07:35AM)
[quote]On Feb 18, 2017, Karl M wrote:
Yeah loads of people buying them you see loads of people wearing them and walking around with them but only silver ones left is what the man said to me,so that's what I know mate [/quote]

Thank you for the update, Karl M.

I really much appreciate this.

Enjoy your staying at Blackpool and continue having fun :)

Regards,
Andrew K.
Message: Posted by: ceme20 (Feb 18, 2017 07:43AM)
Sands minds have to be the greatest illusionists there ever were! Also they have proven beyond a shadow of a doubt they are fantastic at mass hypnosis, or there is indeed one born every minute....
Message: Posted by: Andrew J. K. (Feb 18, 2017 08:46AM)
[quote]On Feb 18, 2017, ceme20 wrote:
Sands minds have to be the greatest illusionists there ever were! Also they have proven beyond a shadow of a doubt they are fantastic at mass hypnosis, or there is indeed one born every minute.... [/quote]

You couldn't be more accurate, ceme20. :)

Are you one of us who have been ...hypnotized as well and took the plunge by pre-ordering any of the VAPR packages?
Message: Posted by: Karl M (Feb 18, 2017 09:49AM)
Just found out about loads of people of bought more then one of vapr so they can sell them on for higher prices,respect to the business men here,wish I thought of it
Message: Posted by: mh1001 (Feb 19, 2017 05:29PM)
There are people here that I do not trust at all, given their past messages. Karl M is among one of those. If some people really have some troubles with the watch, I will trust those who are owners of the Vapr Watch, not other people telling us that they have heard things about the watch. It's unfair otherwise.
Message: Posted by: PendletonThe3rd (Feb 19, 2017 05:40PM)
Are you giving poor Karl the banjo? ;)
Message: Posted by: Karl M (Feb 19, 2017 05:45PM)
I just said about what Im seeing and hearing for myself at Blackpool,not bothered if no body believes me or not
Message: Posted by: Mysterious Mike (Feb 19, 2017 06:34PM)
Just to clarify, was Vapr watch available for purchase at Blackpool? Could someone walk up to the booth, pay sansminds, and walk away with a watch?
Message: Posted by: funnyclown (Feb 19, 2017 07:03PM)
Most problems are user errors. Only a small percentage have manufacturer defect. I personally own two watches. It took me a bit of a learning curve but mine works great every time now. Once you set it correctly it's perfect you're fine until you decide to adjust the tube. Here's the issue users can have. First off you must watch the video before you play with your watch. The video clearly explains everything in detail.
Here are a few user errors that can cause problems. Be careful not to cut the Vapr hose too short. There should not be a hard bend in hose when you position hose. You need to give it a bit of slack. Also a problem people may have is sometimes when installing the liquid air bubble get in. As the video shows you need to not rush this step and do it slowly a bit at a time. He even explains how to get rid of air bubbles. Anyways I'm not going to explain everything here. But it's all clearly explained on video. Almost any problem people have had is not by defect. It could be solved by watching the video and following the instructions. I have had zero problems after I learned the proper way to use the watch.
Message: Posted by: funnyclown (Feb 19, 2017 07:09PM)
[quote]On Feb 19, 2017, Mysterious Mike wrote:
Just to clarify, was Vapr watch available for purchase at Blackpool? Could someone walk up to the booth, pay sansminds, and walk away with a watch? [/quote]


Yes that is correct if you pay for your travel to Blackpool and pay for at least a one day ticket. You can pay about $50 more for your watch than we paid. It is possible to walk up and pay $400 USD or £325 instead of the $349 we paid for one watch and five refills.


Hope that helps
Message: Posted by: Johnsypoppins (Feb 19, 2017 07:39PM)
Just got my watch from a mate who picked me one up... why did I buy this thing lol, sometimes I need to think before throwing money at stuff, but couldn't resist when I heard they had them available there and then.

It's not as big as it looks he said... you need to get this he cried...

I'm not gonna wear this thing, it looks kinda ok on him but it's massive... which I knew before hand which just goes to show how much of a plonker I am lol.
Will probably put it up for sale at some point but not sure as will need to take too much of a loss... guess I could use it as a tea coaster, a very expensive smoke puffing tea coaster.

One thing I will say is that the smoke looks great and it creates a lot of it.
Message: Posted by: funnyclown (Feb 19, 2017 11:19PM)
Here's a note from Will Tsai about the campaign and results from Blackpool. This was copied from Facebook group. Just wanted to share it with you



From Will Tsai

Hello this is Will. We did NOT make it by the 15th. Blackpool was our only and last chance to promote and see if we can get the project through. All core members of SansMinds are working hard in Blackpool promoting. In the video, we prepared 300 for the VIPs and ship out right away. Rest will be fulfilled afterward. The bigger picture is to promote the watch and hopefully get the project funded. If this happens EVERYONE gets their watch in May. If this fails, it's first come first serve and most will get their watch later. For this, I donated my personal backup watches, which I prepared and stored around the world in case if I need it when I am on the road, and made them available in Blackpool so people could see it's not a pipe dream but a real product.

Not only the watch on site is very limited. They are available at full retail price for those who already spent thousands of dollars coming to the convention. Every penny from this very limited batch goes into helping to get the project going. If this can happen, it helps everyone. That's the intention and the sole reason why I donated my personal backup watches. Hope this clarifies the situation.
Message: Posted by: ash2arani (Feb 20, 2017 06:28AM)
I just want to point out that 325 gbp stands at about 410 USD (give or take). So that means for 410 usd, you get a VAPR watch plus 6 refills. Or is it 5 refills? Or maybe no refills apart from the one in the box? This is what matters when comparing Blackpool prices to Campaign prices.

Either way, the price for watch plus 6 refills online was 340 USD during the campaign. Factor in shipping price (approx. 44/78 or 51/140 USD) and time to wait (May onwards), it turns out that Blackpool attendees got an awesome deal.

Yes, blind supporters got a much better deal and those who managed to snatch the Launching package also got an awesome deal with 11 refills in total (though not all received their packages) and will have to wait till May or later.

With all that said, nothing can be done now and it is all in Sans Minds court how fast they can produce the watches. For those who ordered during the campaign, it is a waiting game.
Message: Posted by: RobertDangerByrd (Feb 20, 2017 09:30AM)
Does anyone actually have a Vapr Watch yet?
Message: Posted by: Xcath1 (Feb 20, 2017 09:59AM)
I do
Message: Posted by: Xcath1 (Feb 20, 2017 10:02AM)
I got a collectors pack in the first 300. It does what it says. Doesn't fire perfect every time but I use it as an accent rather than a climax so,the trick goes on anyway. I am worried about several structural things I think will affect longevity.
Message: Posted by: MadisonH (Feb 20, 2017 10:50AM)
I've requested a refund. On the vapr watch Facebook page, multiple people are complaining about different malfunctions. If they are having these problems literally less than a week after receiving it, I don't think it will last for years.

Madison
Message: Posted by: Mysterious Mike (Feb 20, 2017 11:39AM)
[quote]On Feb 20, 2017, MadisonH wrote:
I've requested a refund. On the vapr watch Facebook page, multiple people are complaining about different malfunctions. If they are having these problems literally less than a week after receiving it, I don't think it will last for years.

Madison [/quote]

Please let us know if they issue you a refund without any problems.
Message: Posted by: Will Tsai (Feb 20, 2017 01:08PM)
Hello all friends here, It's Will. Just landed London and finally have some down time. Thought I'd drop in and answer a few questions.

I still haven't had the time to go through all new posts yet since I last logged in. First of all, like a member posted above from my Facebook post, we did not make it by the 15th due to the unexpected custom issues we had. It has greatly affected our campaign and plan. The majority of the pledge we had all came in within the week of deadline cut off; that's after the the first 300 backers started to receive their watch and we had such positive reviews from people who actually own the watch, words got out. If this were to happen as planned without the custom delay, we'd probably make it to our target the 2nd week. But hey.. it's life.

And because of that, Blackpool became our last hope to promote and let people know about the watch; and hopefully pledge on the spot and push the campaign through. Consider the bigger picture, if our campaign works out, EVERY BACKER will receive their watch A LOT sooner. I donated my very limited personal backup stock and made them available at full retail price as a demo showreel to show people.

A member made a point about people coming to our booth with issue. That's a very interest point. There were people coming to us with issues they experienced, however, not a single person who shook my hand didn't walk away happy. For those who have not been to Blackpool, Blackpool is a magical place where people hangout with happiness and basically don't sleep at night. For that reason, most had no time to watch the instruction at all. When they came to us with issues, we 'fixed' them on the spot by basically pointing out what's already covered in the instruction. We helped people charge the unit, change the time, set up the tube, pair the remote, put in the refill properly and set clear smoke pathway... etc. It was a great experience to have direct interaction with our supporters and know they walked away happy.

Now the watch is out there. Many have seen it. Many played with it. Many were more than impressed. Some amazing supporters, people of influence, and dealers in the community offered to help fund this project through. Nothing is set in stone yet at this very moment. I sincerely hope that this will fall through so we would have a chance to make something amazing happen for the community again. But that's not up to us at this point. Will keep all posted.

Thanks all again for the love and support.

-will
Message: Posted by: DaCardician (Feb 21, 2017 01:40AM)
The way I see it, Sans Mind can go to Blackpool, shift a few watches, take it to Mass Production, and get all the watches out by May.

Alternatively they don't take it to Mass Production, and you might get you watch anytime up to Xmas.

I don't care they went to Blackpool and had I pledge I would feel no way about it. It is not my concern. I was willing to wait till December for my watch. I didn't back the campaign because I had a feeling that it would make it to Mass Production and the price won't be that much more expensive and I can pick it up later.

There really is no need for Grievance here.
Message: Posted by: Ray Chelt (Feb 21, 2017 01:12PM)
Andrew, it feels like you are just making the same point over and over.

It's all getting a tad irritating now and you are losing credibility fast.
Message: Posted by: Will Tsai (Feb 21, 2017 02:10PM)
Hi it's Will here. Here to answer a few questions while I am waiting for my train.

Andrew J.k., if you have read my message, you'll realizes the units SansMinds used to showcase in Blackpool are my personal units. They are not company property. The units had absolutely no factor in when our backers receive their units to begin with. When I donated the units to make this last minute event happen, my intention is if this works, backers including yourself, will receive your order a lot sooner. However everyone is entitled to their own opinion and I fully respect yours. We try to do our best so all our supporters are happy. If you are not happy, please post your order number here so I could personally refund you andbtransfer your order position to the next supporter in line.

Acecardician, it's Will here. I never did receive your message. Where did you try to reach me? Whenever I can I love to help out and assist all supporters. Although it's worth pointing out that I am not involved in the business or operation side of things at all. I am only involved in the design department. I spend most time flying around. Often I work in places where Facebook is now allowed. Have you actually tried to reach out to SansMinds?
Message: Posted by: Acecardician (Feb 22, 2017 01:14AM)
Hi Will thanks for your response. I did not realize you were just the creator. From what I read it made it seem like it was your whole project. I remember getting the Broadcast message from Steve here and he was talking about you. I can't quote it but I only remember your name. Now I realize you have nothing to do with shipping. Sorry...

ACE
Message: Posted by: Acecardician (Feb 22, 2017 11:22PM)
[quote]On Feb 22, 2017, Acecardician wrote:
Hi Will thanks for your response. I did not realize you were just the creator. From what I read it made it seem like it was your whole project. I remember getting the Broadcast message from Steve here and he was talking about you. I can't quote it but I only remember your name. Now I realize you have nothing to do with shipping. Sorry...

ACE [/quote]


BTW:To Will:
The message I sent you was here on the Cafť. This is my only magic media. You don't have to respond at this point as it is all over. If you feel you need to please contact me in private.

Thanks for your time! I appreciate you!

ACE
Message: Posted by: kiketron (Feb 23, 2017 08:24AM)
Will ( and Rich) you have several messages from me at Facebook Messenger.
Please answer me
I also sent you a video of the watch

Kiketron
Message: Posted by: funnyclown (Mar 2, 2017 02:06AM)
Hey guys,

I got this update from Rich Tsai on the Facebook Vapr Watch users group. Passing it on for those not members of Facebook group. This is in reference to the outcome of campaign


From Rich's post on Facebook

Hello guys

All feeling better and caught up to most of my work I got behind while at black pool.

Update coming soon. In process of scheduling the watches to get made.

In case you missed Will's update about "did we make it?" The answer is "no we did not. "

Our new site is almost up. Doing data transferring from old site to new site. The transfer is taking longer than expected.
Message: Posted by: StarManager (Mar 4, 2017 05:32AM)
[quote]On Feb 20, 2017, Will Tsai wrote:
Hello all friends here, It's Will. Just landed London and finally have some down time. Thought I'd drop in and answer a few questions.

I still haven't had the time to go through all new posts yet since I last logged in. First of all, like a member posted above from my Facebook post, we did not make it by the 15th due to the unexpected custom issues we had. It has greatly affected our campaign and plan. The majority of the pledge we had all came in within the week of deadline cut off; that's after the the first 300 backers started to receive their watch and we had such positive reviews from people who actually own the watch, words got out. If this were to happen as planned without the custom delay, we'd probably make it to our target the 2nd week. But hey.. it's life.

And because of that, Blackpool became our last hope to promote and let people know about the watch; and hopefully pledge on the spot and push the campaign through. Consider the bigger picture, if our campaign works out, EVERY BACKER will receive their watch A LOT sooner. I donated my very limited personal backup stock and made them available at full retail price as a demo showreel to show people.

A member made a point about people coming to our booth with issue. That's a very interest point. There were people coming to us with issues they experienced, however, not a single person who shook my hand didn't walk away happy. For those who have not been to Blackpool, Blackpool is a magical place where people hangout with happiness and basically don't sleep at night. For that reason, most had no time to watch the instruction at all. When they came to us with issues, we 'fixed' them on the spot by basically pointing out what's already covered in the instruction. We helped people charge the unit, change the time, set up the tube, pair the remote, put in the refill properly and set clear smoke pathway... etc. It was a great experience to have direct interaction with our supporters and know they walked away happy.

Now the watch is out there. Many have seen it. Many played with it. Many were more than impressed. Some amazing supporters, people of influence, and dealers in the community offered to help fund this project through. Nothing is set in stone yet at this very moment. I sincerely hope that this will fall through so we would have a chance to make something amazing happen for the community again. But that's not up to us at this point. Will keep all posted.

Thanks all again for the love and support.

-will [/quote]

Hi Will: I note your statement of: " I donated my very limited personal backup stock and made them available at full retail price as a demo showreel to show people. " in the above post. I for one, as a paid backer of yours before Blackpool, would have appreciated being able to buy at full price to have the unit now. To sell off units at Blackpool at any price without offering that first to those who paid in full in advance, seems unfair to me. Trust is important and your team has many of us waiting and waiting. Maybe you should consider borrowing the funds needed and getting this product out before the blemish gets larger? You folks sell a lot and there has to be some working capitol and credit available? Just a friendly suggestion.
Message: Posted by: manreb (Mar 11, 2017 01:12AM)
Any idea when the new SansMind site will be available. Long time no see.
Message: Posted by: funnyclown (Mar 11, 2017 01:16AM)
It was up and running earlier today. It must have gone down again
Message: Posted by: StarManager (Mar 11, 2017 01:22AM)
Frustrated here. I?f you cannot as a dealer deliver as expected and you have taken money you HAVE to communicate better than these people at SM are. They go to Blackpool and sell watches they sold already to us earlier. Lots of rationale about how and why but wrong in my opinion. Their site goes down. They claim data transfer taking longer than expected. It's called data because it exists. Transferring is nano seconds. Design takes time. You don't take a site down without the backup ready to go up. I have a data farm firm OI consult for and I get this tech stuff. The answers don't add up to me. I want a clear line of communication and a constant presence of actual info on their site and here at the Cafť where the workers who paid them are.You owe no explanation of you deliver as promised OR IMPLIED on a pre-promotion. BUT if you don't deliver you can't just go missing for a week at a time without talking to us. And what you say should be full of content and clarity. That's just how I feel.
Message: Posted by: manreb (Mar 12, 2017 12:41AM)
Web site still not up
Message: Posted by: Papasmurf (Mar 15, 2017 06:43PM)
Has anyone had email contact with Sansminds folks? For 3 weeks and numerous emails no response.
Message: Posted by: funnyclown (Mar 15, 2017 06:51PM)
According to Rich Tsai from the Facebook users group

If you pledged in January your Vapr Watch estimate is summer 2017

If you pledged in February your Vapr Watch estimate is fall 2017
Message: Posted by: MR Effecto (Mar 16, 2017 07:24AM)
Or maybe 2018 ??
Message: Posted by: BrainMagos (Mar 16, 2017 03:10PM)
Omg...so happy I didn't preorder!!!
Message: Posted by: MadisonH (Mar 16, 2017 03:29PM)
So thrilled I got my refund. Phew.
Message: Posted by: Andrew J. K. (Mar 18, 2017 04:55PM)
Does anyone know how I can contact SansMinds (either Rich or Will) in order to request a refund for my Collector's Package
pre-order, since their website is still shut down and I don't know any other way to get in touch with them?

Thank you in advance.

Regards,
Andrew K.
Message: Posted by: BrainMagos (Mar 18, 2017 05:53PM)
Contact Will Tsai directly on facebook. Everybody who didn't get their watch yet should ask for a refund!!!
Message: Posted by: StarManager (Mar 18, 2017 08:22PM)
Will, Why are you not talking to this thread and us any more? This looks horrible for you and the company. Please man up and tell us the status.
Message: Posted by: Magic KL (Mar 18, 2017 11:06PM)
Interesting...I just saw Sansmind shared someone elseĎs magic video on FB two hours ago...
Message: Posted by: ceme20 (Mar 19, 2017 04:00AM)
I think you would have a better chance talking to Sansmind using a medium or fortune teller! I almost pre ordered and am SO glad I didn't. No prop or worth going through this c*#p! Makes me wonder if they at connected with Rick at Outlaw.
Message: Posted by: catweazle (Mar 19, 2017 04:10AM)
I wonder if they have gone out of business, and re-started as SMagic productions....

(worker of the week on WPR)
Message: Posted by: StarManager (Mar 19, 2017 04:54AM)
I received a prompt response from them at the facebook page. I am awaiting their resolution of the issue in my case but I have to give them the credit of replying within hours on a weekend. The site being down for weeks is disturbing. I will keep you all posted on this thread.
Message: Posted by: StarManager (Mar 23, 2017 03:40PM)
The website is now back up. This is quite a confidence builder. I appreciate seeing this as it makes me feel confident I will get my watch! Check it out here: http://www.sansminds.com
Message: Posted by: TazBo (Mar 23, 2017 05:18PM)
Are anyone's pending or existing orders showing on their account page on the New SansMinds Website.

My order has disappeared........ :-(
Message: Posted by: codydavismagic (Mar 23, 2017 05:44PM)
They said they are currently transferring all the orders, so they should be across soon TazBo
Message: Posted by: StarManager (Mar 23, 2017 07:12PM)
They sent out a new user name and password too - your old cress will not work. My new ones do not work so I cannot get to my account. Give them a couple of days to tweak . . .
Message: Posted by: funnyclown (Mar 23, 2017 07:33PM)
I got an email for Sansminds discount it says I can share so here ya go


Until March 30th we will be offering limited time promo codes for our online store!

Use code - sansminds25 for 25% off of the entire order

Use code - digital50 for 50% off on all digital products

The codes are good for multiple use so share it with your friends.

Let us celebrate together!

SansMinds Team
Message: Posted by: Magicmike34 (Apr 4, 2017 06:31AM)
Seems that David Copperfield used the smoke watch on TV :)

It seems like a Smart Watch..


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OyIb2vmhTdg
Message: Posted by: MR Effecto (Apr 4, 2017 08:12AM)
LOL. Looks like Sansminds cant seem to get one to him as well..............LOL
Message: Posted by: Magicmike34 (Apr 4, 2017 09:41AM)
[quote]On Apr 4, 2017, MR Effecto wrote:
LOL. Looks like Sansminds cant seem to get one to him as well..............LOL [/quote]

I think its more because Copperfield only uses the best of the best haha
Message: Posted by: AnthonyHolt (Apr 18, 2017 03:58AM)
Anyone that knows where they are at the production of 'the vapr watch'?
Message: Posted by: StarManager (Apr 18, 2017 04:17AM)
According to Rich Tsai from the Facebook users group

If you pledged in January your Vapr Watch estimate is summer 2017

If you pledged in February your Vapr Watch estimate is fall 2017
Message: Posted by: StarManager (Apr 19, 2017 01:56PM)
This morning I received this invoice which indicates they may be shipping soon. My order was placed in January.
========
Your order has been received and is now being processed. Your order details are shown below for your reference:

Order: #XXXX
Product Quantity Price
VAPR Watch (#vaprwatch_gold)
1 $249.95
VAPR Watch Refill (#vaprwatchrefill)
5 $144.75
Cart Subtotal: $394.70
Cart Discount: -$45.75
Payment Method:
Order Total: $400.45
Message: Posted by: GAMJoker (Apr 24, 2017 10:48AM)
[quote]On Apr 19, 2017, StarManager wrote:
This morning I received this invoice which indicates they may be shipping soon. My order was placed in January.
========
Your order has been received and is now being processed. Your order details are shown below for your reference:

Order: #XXXX
Product Quantity Price
VAPR Watch (#vaprwatch_gold)
1 $249.95
VAPR Watch Refill (#vaprwatchrefill)
5 $144.75
Cart Subtotal: $394.70
Cart Discount: -$45.75
Payment Method:
Order Total: $400.45 [/quote]

Don't think this means that they will ship soon ;) I placed my order on the last day of the campaign and still got the e-mail 2 days before you...
They just made a new website and updated everything. That's why they add all the orders to the accounts now.
The shippings are as far as I know still Summer for everyone who ordered in January, Fall for everyone who ordered later.
Message: Posted by: funnyclown (Apr 24, 2017 11:06AM)
Everyone's that ordered has gotten that email. It just means they're updating their servers. ETA is still summer/fall
Message: Posted by: StarManager (Apr 24, 2017 11:27AM)
Thank you Funny Clown.
Message: Posted by: Magicalos (Apr 24, 2017 12:17PM)
If you don't mind me asking what was your order number? I'm trying to figure out when I might get my invoice I ordered mine in feb
Message: Posted by: funnyclown (Apr 24, 2017 12:24PM)
I spoke to Rich on this. He said the order they are updating their website has no effect on when you're getting your Vapr Watch fulfilled.
The order is still if you bought it in January then Summer 2017/February then Fall 2017. The order you get your updated invoice has no effect it's random as they update their servers.
Message: Posted by: Magicalos (Apr 24, 2017 12:39PM)
[quote]On Apr 24, 2017, funnyclown wrote:
I spoke to Rich on this. He said the order they are updating their website has no effect on when you're getting your Vapr Watch fulfilled.
The order is still if you bought it in January then Summer 2017/February then Fall 2017. The order you get your updated invoice has no effect it's random as they update their servers. [/quote]

ah thanks for that I guess fall it is!
Message: Posted by: StarManager (May 22, 2017 05:40PM)
No word here for a month? We can all use an honest update please.
Message: Posted by: StarManager (May 30, 2017 04:57PM)
Just saw Will's performance on AGT. Fantastic! He created a whole new prop we've never seen before. Now I know where all the Vapr Watch Presale money and time delay went. And yet - his matrix is do good I have to give him credit and it's hard to be upset about the watch delay. Rock on Will!
Message: Posted by: StarManager (May 30, 2017 04:58PM)
The link is here for those anting to see the performance. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JSROGOfbKLo&feature=em-subs_digest-vrecs
Message: Posted by: Alex DLF (Jun 2, 2017 10:53PM)
Vapr Watch Ė Sansminds

Product description : Alright, this seems to be THE ďtrickĒ of 2017, everybody is talking about it ! I didnít pledge the kickstarter but I went to Blackpool and they had it on the stand, after viewing a few times how it worked, I bought it. This is basically a watch which can produce smoke AND tell the time which is a big difference compared to other product out there (not for me but for most people). I had good and bad times with Sansminds before, letís find out if this one will be a good one.. or not !

Price and where to buy it : This was sold at $250 on the kickstarter but it was priced at $400 in Blackpool. I donít think you can get it now, the website is ďupgradingĒ at the moment.

What you get : You get a box which can close thanks to magnets, itís the same box that was provided with Vapr ! Again, it feels very good and classy, as usual with all Sansminds Pro Elite. Inside, you will find a paper with a link to watch the instructions online, they are very well made, and you learn everything so you can use correctly your Vapr Watch. Then there is the remote, which is rattling (people who opened it said itís the battery) but working fine, itís the same one as provided with Vapr. Then, there is the charger and the little armband in order to put your remote inside. And of course, last but not least, the watch, I chose the Silver one which was a Blackpool exclusive, and it looks gorgeous ! I donít think itís too big, it looks perfectly fine on my wrist. Overall, for the price, I donít feel cheated, it works fine and looks beautiful.

Teaser : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ORt4ZnfpNXc

The pros and the cons : Here is the core of my review, let's begin with the cons, as I will usually be doing, I prefer to keep the good things for the end.

THE CONS :
Ė I had to change my watch twice during Blackpool ! First, the watch didnít want to turn on, even after a full charge. Then, it was the timepiece which didnít work ! But the one I have now works perfectly fine.
Ė It may look a little bit big on some people.

THE PROS :
Ė The watch looks beautiful, big watch is a trend right now and for the price asked, it is not even that expensive in my opinion.
Ė The watch does tell the time so you can use it as your regular watch ! Itís a big plus, I didnít find it awkward to have a watch which didnít tell the time but some people did so itís nice to have this feature.
Ė It has been built professionally, you can feel it, this is something which has been thought of a long time.
Ė The watch you produce is actually very thick and it comes right into your fist thanks to the pump ! So people wonít think the smoke is coming out of the watch.
Ė Thanks to the remote, you can do a full 1 minute smoke production, there is no problem about that, you can do up to 1 minute even if you donít have to.
Ė You donít have to wait between 2 puffs of smoke, you can do one after another !
Ė You get a 3 months warranty on it which is a nice attention.
Ė The battery lasts 24 hours so you have enough power to do multiple puffs before charging it again.
Ė The refills allows you to do around 100 puffs.
Ė The wristband is custom made so the tube can fit inside.
Ė The watch is pretty silent, not completely but you wouldnít hear it in a regular situation.

Overall rating : I do believe this is a breakthrough in magic, the technology is amazing and the smoke is beautiful, I wonít use it but I can see many people wearing it, 3.5/4 hearts.

As for the difficulty level, you just have to push on a button so nothing hard, I would say 2/5 stars.

Similar products : The Lynx Smoke watch is good watch too, it depends on the style you want to use.

A little note, many many watches were not working properly, so if you have a fully functional watch, this is the best piece of equipment of 2017 ! But be careful, you may receive a not working watch which was the case for many people, consider my review to be for a "functional" watch. Hope Sansminds will solve the problem quickly.

If you liked my review, make sure to check all my other ones on my website, link in my signature ;)
Message: Posted by: MR Effecto (Jun 3, 2017 11:15AM)
I don't get it? Some work and some don't? And you still gave it a good review? Lets see. Let me roll the dice and hope I get something that works? No way. :die:
Message: Posted by: Alex DLF (Jun 3, 2017 03:15PM)
[quote]On Jun 3, 2017, MR Effecto wrote:
I don't get it? Some work and some don't? And you still gave it a good review? Lets see. Let me roll the dice and hope I get something that works? No way. :die: [/quote]

I can't do a review on something I don't have. My watch did work, so I reviewed it. I'm just adding the fact many watches were not working which can be a problem.

If I didn't mention it, people would have said "Many watches didn't work properly !" ;)
Message: Posted by: funnyclown (Jun 3, 2017 05:36PM)
Actually very few watches of the first 300 had problems. Most problems were solved by watching the instructional video or getting customer support. So the review is right on target. :)
Message: Posted by: StarManager (Jun 4, 2017 03:49PM)
STILL CURIOUS ON updates. Why no official reply to status in the past month or so?
Message: Posted by: PendletonThe3rd (Jun 4, 2017 04:27PM)
^ I suspect it's because this project went out with a whimper instead of a bang. A shame really as it looked very innovative.

I'm sure they will be true to their word and fulfill their promise to the backers. And you will have a one of a kind piece of kit, no question.

But as a failed project and loss to the company, it's probably not top priority anymore. They have to focus on other projects now to offset it which might explain their radio silence.

That and resources going to AGT may have something to do with it.

I wish though they would figure out a way to resurrect this and bring it to market more efficiently. Seems so strange that they invested so heavily in it just to have it go out like that...
Message: Posted by: StarManager (Jun 4, 2017 04:47PM)
All the above from PendletonThe3rd are likely true BUT even this month as Will Thai grabs the cover of VANISH MAGAZINE there is A TWO PAGE SPREAD pitching the watch including the words :AVAILABLE AT . . .

SIMPLY PUT there are resources going into GETTING MONEY for this project and yet those of us who paid and supported receive little information about our goods while the promo machine keeps selling. And they are not exactly forthright in the way they sell it. The image projected is "just around the corner" or "available" and not a clear explanation that you are going to wait a year if you order now or more.

Ethically speaking chasing your loss by selling more in advance is akin to a pyramid scheme or kiting. It's not honorable. They are a business and pitch sales every day for tons of their products. They should get a loan, pay the interest, and fulfill on the promise. In business you do not get to keep the winnings and diss the losers. AFTER AGT Will has total washability. He should use this right now, borrow, manufacture, and make good ASAP.

My humble opinion.
Message: Posted by: funnyclown (Jun 4, 2017 05:36PM)
Hey guys I think we can all calm down. The last update said if you purchased in January you will get watches in Summer 2017. Summer 2017 means between June 20th- September 2nd. If you purchased in February the update said you would get your watch in the Fall of 2017. Fall 2017 is September 22 - December 21st.

Sansminds is currently making each watch by hand one at a time. We are not in summer yet so I don't think we need to worry at this time. We might get them in June, July, August or September starting after June 20.

Enjoy your last few weeks of spring time.
Message: Posted by: StarManager (Jun 4, 2017 05:53PM)
Reasonable FunnyClown. I'm not upset I just want communication that is clear and which haas product following as agreed.
Message: Posted by: funnyclown (Jun 4, 2017 06:11PM)
They best way to get more detailed info faster is go on the Facebook group and ask Rich Tsai or call the phone number on the Sansminds website and speak to Rich by telephone. But as for now. I'm not worried. We still have a few more weeks before summer begins.
Message: Posted by: Legendary Wizard (Jun 6, 2017 11:37AM)
Chill people , when you received your watch you'll feel the wait is totally worth . It's one of the best or in fact the best purchase I've made in magic , this thing just works like a charm .
Message: Posted by: StarManager (Jun 6, 2017 01:03PM)
Thanks for the support Legendary Wizard! Waiting with optimism thanks to yo and funnyclown!
Message: Posted by: MR Effecto (Jun 6, 2017 04:59PM)
I have seen a lot of them for sale on ebay and on here. But that don't mean much. A lot of people go with the hipe then try and sell it later. One guy on ebay is trying to get 900.00 for his. LOL. What I worry about if it takes this long to get yours what happens if it stops working? Its a lot of money for something we really don't know yet how long they will last.
Message: Posted by: Magic KL (Jun 7, 2017 01:22PM)
[quote]On Jun 6, 2017, MR Effecto wrote:
I have seen a lot of them for sale on ebay and on here. But that don't mean much. A lot of people go with the hipe then try and sell it later. One guy on ebay is trying to get 900.00 for his. LOL. What I worry about if it takes this long to get yours what happens if it stops working? Its a lot of money for something we really don't know yet how long they will last. [/quote]

$900?! This is crazy~
Message: Posted by: StarManager (Jun 7, 2017 01:54PM)
[quote]On Jun 7, 2017, Magic KL wrote:
[quote]On Jun 6, 2017, MR Effecto wrote:
I have seen a lot of them for sale on ebay and on here. But that don't mean much. A lot of people go with the hipe then try and sell it later. One guy on ebay is trying to get 900.00 for his. LOL. What I worry about if it takes this long to get yours what happens if it stops working? Its a lot of money for something we really don't know yet how long they will last. [/quote]

$900?! This is crazy~ [/quote]

Maybe not so crazy. I paid about $500 with extra smoke and I have nothing at all. So maybe $900 for something is better than $500 for . . . . .
Message: Posted by: MikeLiu (Jun 11, 2017 07:58PM)
The watch is worth the wait, I love mine so much :bg:
Message: Posted by: funnyclown (Jun 26, 2017 03:42PM)
Here is an update post from Facebook Vapr Watch users group from Rich Tsai about Vapr Watch.

Hi guys,

I will pin this post just so it is easy access for everyone.

First of all, thank you everyone for waiting patiently. As everyone know we finalized the revised version later than expect. But we have updated parts of the watch to make sure everything is ironed out.

We have started production already however the hand assembly takes a while to complete. No solid date yet. We are still finding ways to speed up the process. So far we have found a few way to be more efficient but we want to make sure it does not compromise the end result. We will keep everyone posted.

Lastly, if you are on the waiting list. We only have a few spot open. We will be contacting you soon.
Message: Posted by: StarManager (Jun 26, 2017 05:00PM)
This is the kind of communication we need. Excellent!
Message: Posted by: PendletonThe3rd (Jun 27, 2017 10:40AM)
Bought this from hefemexy here on the Cafť...while that was a bad experience in and of itself, the watch is really cool (read further down if curious about that).

I passed on the original VAPR Watch campaign as it all seemed a little convoluted (the campaign details, ETA on watch etc), and I wasn't loving the idea of strictly a remote to activate the smoke. I would have liked to have an option to activate off the watch as well.

That said, when I saw it listed here, and realized I could have it now, I went for it.

The watch is pretty awesome. The smoke is terrific. And it is truly an ingenious and innovative device. The build quality is terrific too.

And yeah, it looks like a nice sporty watch. I won't go so far as to say it looks/feels like a luxury watch because I'm somewhat of a watch enthusiast, and this isn't that. But it's not supposed to be. It's a smoke device disguised nicely in a sporty looking watch.

It does have its quirks... and after joining the FB group, it seems I'm not the only one who has noticed them. Here is what I have experienced so far:

- While I still have not tested this completely, I don't believe my watch holds a 38 hour charge or 100+ puffs. I read that it depends on usage but at least for me, it doesn't seem to last a full day even with moderate use. Sometimes just a few hours. Again, I haven't fully tested it, so it could be that it wasn't fully charged. It does seem to last a good amount of time though so all good.

- After a recharge, sometimes I have to pair the remote back to the watch. It's kind of annoying but not hard to do so not that big a deal. Just strange that this happens. I heard that there were issues with the original batches remotes/bluetooth so this could be a quirk of that nature. I may reach out to SM and see what they can do if anything. Either way, it still works. On a side note, this may have happened after a charge too...that the watch and remote desynch. Only reason I am not certain is because it could have been that the charge went out. Not sure which.

- The remote rattles...I read that this is the battery. Not a big deal. But a quirk nevertheless.

All in all, very cool. When it works, it works well. A couple of quirks hold it back a bit but otherwise, it does exactly what it sets out to do.


MY EXPERIENCE BUYING FROM HEFEMEXY (IF CURIOUS):
Bought this pre-owned from hefemexy...and it came to me with the stopper not attached to the watch as supposed to be. A minor thing as the stopper still does what it supposed to do on the canister...and the watch works...but still.

When I brought this up to Hefemexy, I didn't even get so much as an apology for receiving the watch this way. He basically told me that the watch still works so that's that. Which is true but c'mon. That's not the point here. It's about being honest. Describing your product accurately...and pricing it accordingly.

From there, all reasonable attempts to make this right were refuted and ignored.

It really gets me as I always take the time to describe everything I sell fairly and accurately so there are no surprises...so I can never understand why some sellers just don't do the same.

Hefemexy is simply dishonest and cannot be trusted. So please beware when buying anything from this guy.
Message: Posted by: Magic KL (Jun 27, 2017 06:31PM)
[quote]On Jun 26, 2017, StarManager wrote:
This is the kind of communication we need. Excellent! [/quote]

This is the kind of communication we need (from Sansminds).

Will and Rich were here answering questions, and this is an official thread that they started. However, after a while, they stopped answering questions here. I think funnyclown answered more questions than anyone from SM. If they can provide update on FB, why canĎt they just copy and paste here? It only takes a few seconds. Very strange.
Message: Posted by: 123crampt (Jul 8, 2017 12:04AM)
Has the trailer been taken down or is it me?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ORt4ZnfpNXc

Also, does it bother anyone else that Sandsminds said there would not be further production after the Kickstarter campaign, should it fail, and now they are selling another batch to new customers not apart of the original campaign?
They claim this new batch will also be "limited". Can there be any truth to this?
Message: Posted by: funnyclown (Jul 8, 2017 12:51AM)
It's my understanding and I could be wrong. I do not work for Sansminds. I'm just an investor like everyone else. It's my understanding that some of the original backers decided to cancel their pledge and get their money back. Those limited watches from the cancelled backers will become available. I believe that is why there are a limited number of watches for people on a waiting list.
Message: Posted by: 123crampt (Jul 9, 2017 01:31AM)
That would seem more legitimate!

Is anyone ordering to Australia that would like to split shipping??
>$200 for shipping is another rout by Sandsminds.
Message: Posted by: RSmith (Jul 12, 2017 07:47AM)
Does it bother anyone that they are now offering insurance plans at 100 dollars a year ( one quarter the cost of the watch), which seems exorbitant? So much for million dollar engineering!
Message: Posted by: funnyclown (Jul 12, 2017 08:22AM)
Well, it's worth the $100 because it covers accidental damage for one full year. The only exceptions are if the user uses incorrect smoke fluid then it's not covered. But all normal accidents like dropping the watch it's covered under the extended warranty.
Message: Posted by: mh1001 (Jul 12, 2017 01:17PM)
[quote]On Jul 12, 2017, RSmith wrote:
Does it bother anyone that they are now offering insurance plans at 100 dollars a year ( one quarter the cost of the watch), which seems exorbitant? So much for million dollar engineering! [/quote]
Trust me, the cost is very, very low. Only 100 a year ? I can tell you, if you ask a watchmaker to repair your watch, depending on the brand and complexity of it, the price easily goes up. But even for normal watches, not especially expensive, I heard some watchmakers would take no less than 100 euros and sometimes several hundreds of euros (in France at least). This is true : I once contacted several watchmakers in Paris, if they could fix my watch, and they told me more or less the range of the repair cost. Imagine if it's something like Vapr Watch...
Message: Posted by: magicnorm (Jul 13, 2017 10:38PM)
Maybe I'm crazy, " I don't think so " but are we really talking about buying insurance on a watch that we as early purchasers do NOT EVEN HAVE YET. Where on earth does this make sense. OMFG. Sill Waiting PATIENTLY.

NM
Message: Posted by: MR Effecto (Jul 14, 2017 04:38AM)
The joke is on the ones who bought this already. It will cost you more money than its worth? And then not even sure how long it will last? End up being a money pit I bet. I also see a lot of them going up for sale now. Just me talking but glad I did not buy into this. Best of luck guys.
Message: Posted by: kiketron (Jul 20, 2017 03:55PM)
I was one of the 300.
Received both of my watches and they still work perfectly
I purchased 1 year warranty for one of them, as I plan to sell the other one

Kiketron
Message: Posted by: magicnorm (Jul 20, 2017 10:56PM)
Anyone have any news as to when preorder watches might be sent out. This is kind of funny.

NM
Message: Posted by: StarManager (Sep 11, 2017 11:11PM)
Any news on the original backers? Still waiting for a watch I paid for at Christmas . . .
Message: Posted by: funnyclown (Sep 11, 2017 11:19PM)
Hello guys,

Will Tsai just posted this on the Vapr Watch Facebook group. I hope it answers some of your questions.

Will Tsai via Vapr Watch Facebook group:

"Hello, as addressed in the campaign and purchase page, each unit is assembled by hand and will be delivered one by one till Dec 31st end of this year. The order of shipment depends on your position in the line. If you purchased right at the cut off deadline, your shipment time will likely be December before the 31st. Any further question please feel free to send msg to SM Facebook page my friend. Thanks for the love and support again. :)"


"I am working overseas at the moment. If my memory serves me right, the peek of purchase came in mid to late January. So that took the most time. Last time I was told we are at roughly 60ish %. And the number is increasing by a couple of watches a day. Hope that makes sense. Between now to Dec is about 15 weeks. So the rest will be delivered within the next 15 weeks if that makes sense."
Message: Posted by: StarManager (Sep 12, 2017 12:02AM)
Funny Clown and Will - Thanks for the update. Many of us are still out there waiting and while some claimed refunds others believe in you and realize that you did warn this might happen and take a long time. I'll keep the promise on my side and hope for the best. Seems wrong to demand refunds and harm Sansminds when you tried to do something complex and amazing for the fraternity. Stay the course and know we're anxiously awaiting! Thanks much to Funnyclown for keeping the discussion honorable and optimistic!
Message: Posted by: funnyclown (Sep 27, 2017 11:32PM)
Rich Tsai posted this in Facebook group today


ďHi there. We are still shipping them out as we speak and the estimate time to wrap this whole project is November.Ē


So thatís a good sign. We may get the watches before November.
Message: Posted by: StarManager (Sep 27, 2017 11:34PM)
FunnyClown - thank you so much for keeping us updated! This is great news!
Message: Posted by: funnyclown (Sep 27, 2017 11:43PM)
I also request any Magic Cafť user that has received their WAVE TWO (currently shipped) Vapr Watch to please post the date you ordered your watch and the date you received your watch. Iím not talking about the original 300. I only want to hear from those of you that recently received your watches out of the ones being shipped out of WAVE TWO. It will help us understand when we may be getting our watches.
Message: Posted by: funnyclown (Oct 26, 2017 01:29AM)
Just a quick update for Vapr Watch buyers that are not part is Facebook group. I have some really good news. Many not all but many Vapr Watch buyers received an email that said this:

ďDear Vapr Watch purchaser,
Your Vapr Watch will be shipping mid November.
We know you have been anticipating this moment for months and trust us the Sansminds team is just as excited as you are. ď

The email is long so Iím not going to type the whole thing but it basically wants everyone that received the email to confirm their address is correct and making sure you have a physical address and not a p.o. box etc.
Many users have said they got the email and this shows shipping is finally underway. So if you havenít gotten the email yet (like me I havenít gotten the email yet). Donít worry shipping has begun. Youíll get your watches very soon!!!!

This is great news!
Message: Posted by: StarManager (Oct 26, 2017 12:35PM)
Here is the entire letter: IF YOUR ADDRESS IS NOT A PO BOX AND IS CORRECT NO ACTION IS REQUIRED.

Dear VAPR Watch Purchasers,


Your VAPR Watch order will be shipping out in mid-November!


We know you have been anticipating this moment for months, and trust us, the SansMinds Team is just as excited as you are! This will be the final confirmation email you will receive, so we have a few things to address beforehand.


Please ensure the shipping address on your invoice and account is correct. Even if you have requested an address change in the last few months, we encourage you to double check to prevent any delays.


We will be using UPS to ship out all VAPR Watch orders, and unfortunately they do not accept PO Box addresses. If you have a PO Box address, please update your address to your preferred shipping destination.


If you need to delay shipment for any reason (such as moving residencies soon), you can contact us and we will work with you to ensure shipping goes as smoothly as possible.


This email is extremely important, so please read it over. If there is no change to your address, no action is required, and you may ignore this email.


If an address update is required, please respond directly to this email, with your Order #, Name, and Updated Address. Please ensure all requested information is correct, or there may be delays in your shipment.


If you have any questions, please let us know. Thank you all for your extreme patience and support regarding our VAPR Watch campaign!


Sincerely,

The SansMinds Team
Message: Posted by: funnyclown (Oct 26, 2017 01:33PM)
Wow, you got the email Starmanager? Thatís awesome. Iím still waiting to get my email. This is great news for us. I do have the Vapr watch from the first 300 but I ordered extra watches that Iím still waiting for congrats on getting the email. Youíre going to love your watch. A couple tips I recommend when you get your watch. View the entire two training videos. Everything is explained very well in the video. If your remote has trouble connecting to your Vapr Watch then you may need to pair it again. Be careful removing and replacing the watch face. A common problem is if you can break the plastic connectors and make it difficult for the Watch face to hold securely or you put it on too loose and it falls off and breaks. I havenít had any of these common problems with my watch but many users have. Also watch the video carefully on removing air bubbles when inserting the Vapr liquid. The good news is all these problem can be avoided if you treat your Watch with care. Itís the most amazing magic prop to be made for a magician in a very long time.

Enjoy your watch
Message: Posted by: funnyclown (Oct 28, 2017 02:57AM)
Since people will be getting their watches soon here are a few tip I strongly recommend before you use your watch.

Just so you know most problems users have had is not watching the two videos in their entirety before you use watch.

Problem one people have had is sometimes youíll need to pair your remote with your watch after many days of not using it or the first time you receive it sometimes.

Problem two some users have broken their watch faces. This can be avoided by carefully locking your watch face until you feel the click BUT be carful not to over lock it and break the plastic.

Problem three is the inserting of liquid sometimes you may get air bubbles. The video teaches you how to fix this problem.

Problem four be careful when you cut your hose you donít cut it too short. Itís better to cut it longer than needed than cut more if needed.

Handle your watch with care and it should last a long time.

Basically almost every problem with very few minor exceptions could have been prevented by carefully watching the two video in its entirety. The video explains everything very well
Message: Posted by: funnyclown (Nov 20, 2017 09:22PM)
An update posted today by Rich Tsai on the Vapr Watch Facebook group
Iím posting this for those who donít use Facebook group for updates.

From Rich Tsai:


Hello everyone. Here is s quick update. Shipping took a lot longer than expected. We are still only about 80% done. This big fat stack of paper are the completed one. We havenít got a chance to key in the tracking information yet but will get to it once we ship out everything. Keying the tracking manually will be another project on its own. We are getting there tho!
Message: Posted by: StarManager (Nov 21, 2017 12:05AM)
Thanks Funnyclown! I have not received mine yet . . . .
Message: Posted by: Magicalos (Nov 21, 2017 09:33AM)
Nor have I
Message: Posted by: emyers99 (Nov 21, 2017 03:26PM)
Got my watch months ago and just realized I havenít touched it since I got it. Now I have to remember where I put it.
Message: Posted by: funnyclown (Nov 21, 2017 03:31PM)
Eric,

Were you part of the first 300 watches? Also do mind if I ask what day did you purchase. Iím trying to see where my order fits in.
Message: Posted by: emyers99 (Nov 21, 2017 04:14PM)
I honestly have no idea. I think I was one of the first 300 but it might have been the batch after those.
Message: Posted by: StarManager (Nov 21, 2017 04:56PM)
For clarity I still have not received my unit. My order date:

(placed on January 7, 2017 4:47:38 AM PST)

I paid $51.50 for "shipping and handling" and nothing on the order site at that time stated it would not be shipped quickly. I understand there were pages on the site that explained a delay but while ordering I was not notified of any such delay.

I paid $348.95 for a watch and some extra smoke.

Apparently the smoke comes with undocumented mirrors . . .

While waiting fort my watch I heard of others who bought after me at a convention and this caused a stir until we were told that scores of these were really "personally" owned by someone at SansMinds who sold his personal devices. Wish they offered them to those of us who had paid but who couldn't grab those.

The argument has always been that they are a small company and they needed more pre-orders to raise the money to make these units. They sell new tricks every week that are a DVD in a package with a string or a magnet (sometimes both) and a DIY video of instructions. Gotta be money flowing in there.

I received a notice that my unit would ship in Mid November.

That notice was the last direct communication from SansMinds to me. I understand they have posted that they have a big stack and shipping is taking them longer than expected.

As a consumer, I see constant promises followed by constant delays.

Some nights I just drink and cry about how someone took $400 from me on January 7th and yet I have nothing as of November 21.

I want to trust them. I want to support them. I want creativity and innovation to flourish.

Mostly I want them to hire one more minimum wage person to help them ship their huge stock of watches they now have that they say is ready but not going out because it takes them time to ship . . . .

The business of Magic includes BUSINESS. Otherwise you are a creator or a Magician but not a BUSINESS.

I will wait until I get my watch. I will pray the glass doesn't fall out and that the unit works. And lasts under real use.

Until then I have to not buy more at SansMinds because I feel like I've been hyped, sold, and then given scores of excuses by a company that keep making killer videos, buying ads in magazines and spending money everywhere but where it matters to me and hundreds of others - making and shipping what was promised.

I am sad.
Message: Posted by: codydavismagic (Nov 21, 2017 07:45PM)
Yeah.. I was told my replacement watch would be coming with these and was just informed that it won't be. I hate to withdraw my order but I am still waiting on the free gift package, a vapr watch, and two remotes for them. I think it's an amazing device but I wish they told us more what was going on.
Message: Posted by: MR Effecto (Nov 22, 2017 04:41AM)
The worse pre order of all time. Glad I stayed away. I see them come up for sale from time to time. If I ever want one all pick one up for sale in the for sale section.Also most likely by the time you guys get yours something new might be coming out. Who knows. Sad very sad.
Message: Posted by: Michele (Nov 22, 2017 11:35AM)
Anyone who using vapr watch can let me know how to solve the noise problem of the vapr watch. Thanks
Message: Posted by: kazpet (Nov 22, 2017 11:37AM)
I have a watch but I do not have any noise issue. Your watch maybe faulty
Message: Posted by: Michele (Nov 22, 2017 11:44AM)
My watch have noise when smoke coming out :confused:
Message: Posted by: funnyclown (Nov 30, 2017 02:16AM)
All Vapr watches will have a very slight hissing sound. Thatís normal. Itís about three times more quiet than the Lynx Smoke Watch but there is a small sounds. Any normal situation the sound will be silent. Youíll only hear it in a super quiet room.


Note to Vapr Watch buyers. Reports are showing people are getting there watches. Everyone will have it before the end of the year as promised on day one.
Message: Posted by: funnyclown (Dec 2, 2017 02:30AM)
Everyone is getting their watches. Be patient they are shipping now.
Message: Posted by: DFMagic (Dec 2, 2017 09:12AM)
Hey everybody :-)

Yesterday I have received my Vapr Watch ( it is really looking good).
The 5 extra refills where included.
The only minor for me is, that in my package there is no letter with the Instruction on how the let the watch work :-(
I have sent a couple of e-mails and on FB -messenger. Until this writing is havens heard anything back.
Also I have'd tried to join the FB page, but unfortunately they still did not accept me :-(
I have tried to call the helpdesk, but they don't pick up :-(
But...keep on smiling. I hope that when I received my instruction video's I can write a full review with my experience with this new watch.
I do have comparing materials since I already own the Lynx smartwatch and the " normal" watch.
For now....if some one here who could help me with the instruction video ( or could me give some explanation what I must do) in a PM I really could appreciate it :-)
Hope that I soon can write my review for you :-)
Message: Posted by: funnyclown (Dec 2, 2017 09:59AM)
Send me a PM. Iíll help you right away
Message: Posted by: DFMagic (Dec 2, 2017 10:29AM)
You are my hero funny clown :-) I've sent you my e-mail adres :-)
Message: Posted by: StarManager (Dec 2, 2017 02:15PM)
December 2 and no watch here nor any indication from my mail providers (USPS, UPS, FEXEX) that there is a package on the way from SansMinds.
Message: Posted by: funnyclown (Dec 3, 2017 01:37AM)
Iím also still waiting StarManager but I have hope because many are beginning to receive their watches. Iím sure mine will be arriving before the end of the year.

Here is some important information for you once you receive your watches. You will need to register your warranty. Here is the new link. This message was copied from Vapr Watch Facebook group written by Rich Tsai:

Hi guys. This is the new link

https://www.sansminds.com/warranty-application/

The old one should have redirected.
Message: Posted by: StarManager (Dec 3, 2017 02:42AM)
I have faith and I still am a Sansmind supporter Funnyclown. I know they are good at heart and trying to fulfill. Standing by but reporting it like I see it! Thank you for posting the new link!
Message: Posted by: Xcath1 (Dec 3, 2017 07:32PM)
I saw on the FB group how the loose watch face is at least for some people. Apparently someone me sort of foam was added to the ins De of the watch to improve stability. I got two watches in the preorder. The small me works pretty great but I also had the face fall off in a bathroom during normal use. I consider this engineering flaw to make the watches unsuitable for what I would consider normal use
Message: Posted by: funnyclown (Dec 3, 2017 09:26PM)
Hello Xcath1,

Iím sorry to hear you broke your watch. The watch is actually made very well. If you watch the video it clearly explains how to close your watch face until it clicks. It also says not to go beyond the click or you could break the plastic housing. Iíve had my Vapr Watch for almost a year with zero problems. I always carefully close the watch by making sure everything is lined up correctly and carefully rotating until I hear the click but not beyond that. I make sure before I put it on that itís secure so any accidents donít occur. Basically with a little patience and care your watch will last a long time. I suggest you buy the $99 warranty which covers accidental damage before itís too late.


Since people will be getting their watches soon here are a few tip I strongly recommend before you use your watch.

Just so you know most problems users have had is not watching the two videos in their entirety before you use watch.

Problem one people have had is sometimes youíll need to pair your remote with your watch after many days of not using it or the first time you receive it sometimes.

Problem two some users have broken their watch faces. This can be avoided by carefully locking your watch face until you feel the click BUT be carful not to over lock it and break the plastic.

Problem three is the inserting of liquid sometimes you may get air bubbles. The video teaches you how to fix this problem.

Problem four be careful when you cut your hose you donít cut it too short. Itís better to cut it longer than needed than cut more if needed.

Handle your watch with care and it should last a long time.

Basically almost every problem with very few minor exceptions could have been prevented by carefully watching the two video in its entirety. The video explains everything very well


Side note video number 2 the repositioner video will be updated as Sansminds has changed the repositioner because some users had problems with the original. The new video should be released very soon. Watch this space.
Message: Posted by: magicnorm (Dec 4, 2017 12:25AM)
Mike, I'm in the group still waiting for the watch, you mention two videos. Seems Ive seen posts that people recieved their watch with not instructions. Are the two videos a link that's received when you get your watch, thanks.

Norm
Message: Posted by: funnyclown (Dec 4, 2017 01:16AM)
It supposed to be a postcard thatís included with the watch. I think the reason they left it out because they are changing the second video that currently teaches you how to use the repositioner. Rich Tsai told me in a PM that they are currently filming anew video teaching how to use the new repositioner. They have changed the repositioner to improve it based on users comments. I have the original video links. When you get your watch just PM me and Iíll send you the links. Iíll need your email address because I have it as a scanned photo of the original postcard.
Message: Posted by: guinelli (Dec 4, 2017 06:12AM)
I have the same problem as many...Received the watch (finally) but no instructions whatsoever...dangerous with a technical item like this....No reaction via mail, no acceptance Facebook group...
Message: Posted by: StarManager (Dec 4, 2017 11:44AM)
Guinelli - Can you tell us what date you ORDERED your watch? That will help the rest of know where "in the line" we likely are . . . Thank you!
Message: Posted by: gassaox (Dec 4, 2017 05:31PM)
Same as everybody else I got no instruction s and I do not know why ? Got the instructions from Adrian on the face book group ,when I did eventually get it to work I got to say it's a beautiful well made item ,look forward in using this👍🏻
Message: Posted by: StarManager (Dec 4, 2017 06:41PM)
This was just sent to their customer list. I removed the link. PM me if you need it and did not get the letter. You need to attest in your PM that you purchased the product and send me your invoice number and date of order please.

===============

Greetings VAPR Watch Customers!

As many of you may already know, the second wave of VAPR Watches are shipped out and on the way. In order to prepare for the arrival of your package, the SansMinds team has put together a VAPR Watch video which includes details, history, instructions, and a few effects you can perform.

If you are a VAPR Watch purchaser, the downloadable video will already be in your SansMinds account. Customers who prefer to stream the video may use the link below.

(LINK AVAILABLE VIA PM)

SansMinds would like to thank you all once again for supporting our VAPR Watch campaign. If you have already received your package and still have further questions/concerns, please let us know.


Sincerely,

The SansMinds Team
Message: Posted by: pelicantrapper (Dec 5, 2017 12:49AM)
Really disappointing how sansminds is being non responsive to their customer base. Most of this is taking place on the FB page but Ive experienced it first hand as well.
Super terrible how sansminds confirmed addresses with people and such an expensive item has been getting delivered to wrong addresses. My address has been confirmed twice. I hope mine arrives at the right house and not my old Apt! I believe it will though. *sigh*. lol Will tsigh. Cmon sansminds get it together.
Message: Posted by: guinelli (Dec 5, 2017 11:20AM)
I have ordered my unit early april. I have received it but it is not working. There seems to be a pairing problem between the remote and the unit and I should pair it by putting a needle in a little hole but that hole seems endless and gives no reaction whatsoever. No response on my mails, chats or Facebook request...
Message: Posted by: StarManager (Dec 5, 2017 11:45AM)
Thanks Guinelli. I'm shocked to find that an order from Belgium in APRIL was sent a unit before an order placed in the USA in JANUARY! I have heard that there were shipping issues for USA but all the promises of "you will be sent in the order you purchased" are meaningless clearly. Quality control seems to be an issue here. Fulfillment is an issue. Instructions and downloads are an issue. If you take money from people you gotta come through professionally. This is not one issue. It is a LOT of issues. Saddened.
Message: Posted by: funnyclown (Dec 5, 2017 01:32PM)
[quote]On Dec 5, 2017, guinelli wrote:
I have ordered my unit early april. [/quote]

How did you order your watch in April? I thought Sansminds stop selling watches at the end of campaign which ended in January. With the exception of Blackpool purchases in February. I didnít know people had orders in April?
Message: Posted by: MR Effecto (Dec 6, 2017 07:07PM)
Did you guys see the latest post on Facebook? Asking people if they should start making more with better parts then the last ones?? I donít think you all got yours yet right??
Message: Posted by: StarManager (Dec 6, 2017 07:14PM)
I did not get mine. Someone who ordered in Belgium three months later got his. How do you blow this after a year ands send out a $400 product with defective parts? We are now going to stop production and delay it again? Send the watch that should work well and be durable now and then send out a replacement when they make it better. How many false ships do we tolerate? This isn't one guy in his basement. It is a major magic company that has the money to take out full page ads in magic magazines. What are they thinking? Wait - SansMinds is literally the French prefix for WITHOUT (Sans) MINDS. I'm getting pretty upset now. The watch I ordered in January better come to my door before the end of this year in PERFECT working order with instructions and all the accessories ordered. I'm a step or two from really stating my mind on a lot of influential blogs, forums and lists. This company has to put the resources into a great product as promised and deliver the *** thing already!
Message: Posted by: codydavismagic (Dec 6, 2017 09:49PM)
I'm really upset if they start selling these again. I backed them in the first place and was told there would be no more made if they didn't get funded. And the new ones will have different things and probably improvements. I have yet to recieve one of my watches (first 300 had to get both replaced), and a replacement remote (the one I have doesn't work for the watch I do have). I also didn't get the blind supporter package yet either. I think sansminds puts out some really good stuff but I am disappointed. Not by the product, but by how it's been dealt with. I don't mind that there has been delays and the past couple weeks they have answered more questions but with the post tonight and me still not having my stuff. Not as upset with not having my other watch as I am not getting the gift package I kept getting promised. Hopefully it will be dealt with soon. For those that don't have their watch yet, it is a great product, and works amazingly. The remote I hear has now been updated so you don't have to be right next to it. Hopefully I will recieve my gift package, replacement watch, and two remotes soon...
Message: Posted by: funnyclown (Dec 6, 2017 10:32PM)
Where are you guys getting this rumor? I donít see this coming from Sansminds on their website. I think this is a falsity. I checked the Facebook group and I donít see anything about this.
Message: Posted by: Magic KL (Dec 6, 2017 10:55PM)
I saw that too.
Message: Posted by: funnyclown (Dec 6, 2017 11:05PM)
Where are you reading this??? I canít see post. Who wrote it?
Message: Posted by: funnyclown (Dec 6, 2017 11:13PM)
There is nothing on Facebook group about making more watches or a version 2 Vapr watch. Where are you reading this? And who wrote the post? Can you copy post and paste it in this forum? At this point Iím thinking this is a false rumor.
Message: Posted by: funnyclown (Dec 6, 2017 11:18PM)
Mr Effecto has never been a reliable source for Vapr Watch info. He has always had a negative opinion about Sansminds and the Vapr watch. If he is the source of rumor I seriously have my doubts.
Message: Posted by: Magic KL (Dec 7, 2017 12:10AM)
I took a screenshot, but how do I post it here?
Message: Posted by: GaMBiT_101 (Dec 7, 2017 12:18AM)
I ordered my watches in February and I still havnt gotten any updates on when they will be shipping them to me. I have tried contacting Will a number of times to no prevail. I have to say this is the worst experience I have ever had with a magic product.
Message: Posted by: pelicantrapper (Dec 7, 2017 04:36AM)
I bet sansminds and rich tsai are so ready for this fiasco to be over.
All will be made right I am sure.
Just curious to see how long support and refills will be available.
Message: Posted by: MR Effecto (Dec 7, 2017 04:44AM)
Mr funnyclown. I cant seem to post a picture of the one I took on here. But if you send me your eamil I would be more than happy to send you a copie of it !!!!!
Message: Posted by: MR Effecto (Dec 7, 2017 05:00AM)
Bring Back the Vapr Watch?

Every day we get more and more email asking us to make the Vapr Watch available again for purchase. We promised exclusivity to our backers if we did not make it to our goal, but we can't help but feel bad that this project is coming to an end. With the recent AGT success of our very own Will Tsai, we were blessed with new opportunities and new resources that could allow the production to continue.

So we are asking you, our valued backers what should we do? Should we bring back the Vapr Watch and potentially offer greater improvements, newer development, and better replacement parts? Or should we allow this project to die? Let us know with email, in the comments below, or private message.

SansMinds Magic Team
Message: Posted by: MR Effecto (Dec 7, 2017 05:01AM)
Here ya go
Message: Posted by: funnyclown (Dec 7, 2017 10:17AM)
Was this an email. Why canít I find this in Facebook group page? What was the date of post on Facebook group
Message: Posted by: MR Effecto (Dec 7, 2017 10:29AM)
I go to facebook and went to sansmind magic and it is right on there page. Yesterday.
Message: Posted by: codydavismagic (Dec 7, 2017 10:46AM)
Hi Funnyclown, this wasn't posted on the group page, just their normal facebook page.
Message: Posted by: funnyclown (Dec 7, 2017 11:58AM)
Ok thanks. Iíll check there
Message: Posted by: funnyclown (Dec 7, 2017 12:14PM)
You guys are right. I just saw it on Sansminds Facebook page. I was looking on Vapr Watch page and they only posted it on Sansminds page.
Message: Posted by: StarManager (Dec 7, 2017 01:29PM)
More unprofessional behavior from Sansminds. Those of us who PAID a premium for this were promised we'd have a unique and LIMITED piece of magic. Now we wait a year. We don't get the unit we paid for. We are told by the manufacturer that what we paid for and did not yet get is inferior. We get a begging email from them to support making a V2 that is now workable and better. You can guess their next email: "Due to overwhelming response we are making V2! Send us money now and you'll get V2 real fast!" OH - those backers who paid and still don't have their units and those who have defective units - thanks! You want a good one? Buy V2! EVERYONE WHO HAS ORDERED OR RECEIVED A V1 WATCH SHOULD BE VOCAL NOW AND ASK SANSMINDS TO STICK TO THEIR AGREEMENT.
Message: Posted by: funnyclown (Dec 7, 2017 02:50PM)
I donít know if version 2 is confirmed but it does make sense they would continue to improve their creation. I can assure you if there is a V2 Vapr Watch it will not be the low price we paid. My guess is it would be at least $400 usd and probably not include all those bonus cartridges. I must admit Iím a bit disappointed with the new ďzip tieĒ repositioner instead of the ones they gave the first 300. The first 300 got custom made repositioners instead of ďzip tiesĒ I would have been willing to pay more for the original repositioner.
I also donít think Sansminds should be discussing a V2 until everyone has received V1. Itís a bit of a slap in the face.
Message: Posted by: gassaox (Dec 7, 2017 03:00PM)
Since they are now gettting shipped from
China they will be able to knock them out like hot cakes ,people who pledged their hard earned cash to support the phase of making the watches should get a nice little sweetener off sansminds if they make version 2
Message: Posted by: rowland (Dec 7, 2017 04:16PM)
Nobody should be surprised by this. My bet is that v2 will either be the same price or cheaper
Message: Posted by: codydavismagic (Dec 8, 2017 05:40PM)
Apparently this email is sending out to all those that have purchased.
Dear all current Vapr Watch Owners,

The support that you have shown our company in the last year has been incomparable, and there really isn't an adequate way to express how much this means to us... but we are going to try.

We recently put out messages in our community to ask for guidance on how to handle the current situation regarding the Vapr Watch. We get emails, Facebook messages, Instagram comments, and DMs every day from people wanting to be a part of this technological revolution. And rather than make a decision that may upset someone, we decided to ask the community how we should proceed. Bring the watch back, or not? The answer was an overwhelming yes.

With the growth of our company and the success of Will Tsai on AGT, we have been able to acquire resources much more easily meaning we can now offer a higher level of support initially not thought possible. To those of you reading this message, that support extends to you.

We have extended your warranty to 2 years at no additional cost. If you already have purchased a 1 year or 2 year warranty, then we will refund you that amount in store credit immediately. You also permanently have priority access to all of our available improvements, new designs, and replacement parts (should the time come that you need them).

Consider this our way of saying thank you and know that we are here to support you just like you have supported us. And remember, we always want to hear from you on how we can better serve you. Please contact us via phone, email, Facebook, or Instagram with any questions or concerns that you may have.

Have a happy holiday,
SansMinds Magic Team

PS. To serve you better We have updated our customer service number to a toll free number
+1 888 963 9952 (Mon- Fri 10 AM - 6PM PT



If we get free improvements etc I am happy I supported and am okay if they take this back to production. It's a very promising email!
Message: Posted by: funnyclown (Dec 8, 2017 05:42PM)
WOW!! Sansminds is so AWESOME! They are giving all Vapr Watch owners 2 years FREE warranty and if you paid for extended warranty youíll get a full refund!!! This is amazingly great news!
Message: Posted by: codydavismagic (Dec 8, 2017 06:22PM)
We just better get the improvements for very cheap. With the answer to bring back the watches I wish they would have just asked the current purchasers. But it sounds like there will be some great benefits to those of us who have already purchased
Message: Posted by: algebraic (Dec 8, 2017 09:26PM)
I don't think I've ever seen a magic product released in which a company hasn't delivered all paid in full orders to all their paying customers, then turns around and states they have improvements already for a product in which they haven't even finished fulfilling. The original product hasn't even been delivered to all paying customers yet the product has already been improved? How could it already be improved when the company says they are working hard to fulfill all paid in full orders? Were the orders not fulfilled because they were working on improvements?

With advertising like this, how do they expect paying customers to believe them? Customer service is a very big deal in earning and keeping customers. I'm still shaking my head over their idea of customer service.
Message: Posted by: Matthew Crabtree (Dec 8, 2017 09:52PM)
[quote]On Dec 8, 2017, funnyclown wrote:
WOW!! Sansminds is so AWESOME! They are giving all Vapr Watch owners 2 years FREE warranty and if you paid for extended warranty youíll get a full refund!!! This is amazingly great news! [/quote]
Not a refund, store credit. Not even close to the same thing.
Message: Posted by: funnyclown (Dec 8, 2017 09:54PM)
Itís the same as Apple and the iPhone X. Trust me, Apple already knows the improvement they are planning for the next phone before the latest is released. Itís called research and development. Every good business does that.
Message: Posted by: Magic NAO (Dec 9, 2017 01:40AM)
... well, the difference might be that the initial backers of Apple, i.e. those who bought shares, will profit from future research and development...
Message: Posted by: Magic KL (Dec 9, 2017 02:18PM)
It looks like they have them up for sale on their website now.
Message: Posted by: gassaox (Dec 9, 2017 08:03PM)
👊
Message: Posted by: MR Effecto (Dec 9, 2017 08:07PM)
On there site it says order now and receive by Christmas. Have the 1st 300 have thereís yet?
Message: Posted by: Matthew Crabtree (Dec 10, 2017 06:06PM)
[quote]On Dec 9, 2017, MR Effecto wrote:
On there site it says order now and receive by Christmas. Have the 1st 300 have thereís yet? [/quote]

From reading this thread it seems many early orders are still not filled. The website says different though...

"We only have a handful of units left in stock after handling all of our initial shipments, replacements, and repair. Once these are gone we are not expecting stock anytime soon."
Message: Posted by: magicnorm (Dec 10, 2017 09:46PM)
I for one am an order from January that has not been filled. Going to try and get some sort of an answer as to status this week hopefully. Still waiting

NM
Message: Posted by: MR Effecto (Dec 11, 2017 09:25AM)
This should of came out on Aprilís fools. Sansminds you guys are a joke. Anybody who buys from you guys now must be crazy. Buyers beware and read these posts. Only one way to handle these types of people. Put them out if businesses. Donít put up with it. Read all the posts on there site on Facebook. Crazy
Message: Posted by: rowland (Dec 11, 2017 11:48AM)
[quote]On Dec 9, 2017, MR Effecto wrote:
On there site it says order now and receive by Christmas. Have the 1st 300 have thereís yet? [/quote]
Yes but they donít say which Christmas 😂
Message: Posted by: magicnorm (Dec 11, 2017 01:48PM)
Funny their 1888-963-9952 customer service number set up to give you a way of contacting them, answers with a message saying mailbox is full,
Have tried repeatedly only to get the same message. I guess thatís a good way of not being bothered. I did however check my account on their site and it says my order is being processed. Incourageing??
Message: Posted by: funnyclown (Dec 11, 2017 03:00PM)
[quote]On Dec 11, 2017, magicnorm wrote:
Funny their 1888-963-9952 customer service number set up to give you a way of contacting them, answers with a message saying mailbox is full,
Have tried repeatedly only to get the same message. I guess thatís a good way of not being bothered. I did however check my account on their site and it says my order is being processed. Incourageing?? [/quote]


Hi MagicNorm, there is a new number thatís a private number to one of the Sansminds team that he posted in the Facebook group. I would post it here but Iíd feel better about sending to you in a PM. Send me a PM if you need this contact info.
Message: Posted by: funnyclown (Dec 17, 2017 09:12PM)
I just got my Sansminds shipping notice for my Vapr Watch. Itís finally on its way!!!!!
Message: Posted by: codydavismagic (Dec 17, 2017 10:40PM)
Still yet to receive my watch or gift package. Sent emails and they say they have seen it but no response and no tracking number yet. I will keep you all updated. I appreciate Ken stepping up but wish there would be some info for the ones waiting for a replacement watch.
Message: Posted by: Magicalos (Dec 18, 2017 06:40AM)
Got my shipping too...i will get mine Saturday if not earlier....true xmas miracle
Message: Posted by: magicnorm (Dec 18, 2017 06:54PM)
Well I received an add email announcing last chance to order stuff to get it by Xmas and the Watch is part of the add stating limited supply left. Thatís an awesome kick in the ď you know what ď, to receive that but no word whatsoever on my order from January. Unreal.

Nm
Message: Posted by: Magicalos (Dec 19, 2017 11:21AM)
[quote]On Dec 18, 2017, Magicalos wrote:
Got my shipping too...i will get mine Saturday if not earlier....true xmas miracle [/quote]
tracking updated it arrives tmw!

ordered in february
Message: Posted by: tbaer (Dec 19, 2017 01:18PM)
[quote]On Dec 19, 2017, Magicalos wrote:

ordered in february [/quote]

A 10 month wait! They should give you some extra stuff for free for waiting this long.
Message: Posted by: funnyclown (Dec 19, 2017 02:30PM)
They did give us ďEXTRAĒ. They have given all early investors a FREE two year warranty which is valued at $200. If you buy a vapor watch today youíll get a three month free warranty. A two year warranty cost $200. We get that FREE as early investors. Thank you Sansminds!!!
Message: Posted by: magic___lover (Dec 19, 2017 02:48PM)
Mike, how much do sansminds pay you?
Message: Posted by: funnyclown (Dec 19, 2017 04:23PM)
Itís Free insurance. You donít need to pay for it. But only if youíre an early supporter. If you buy your watch today you will have to pay for the two year insurance. I hope that clears it up for you.
Message: Posted by: rowland (Dec 20, 2017 01:29AM)
[quote]On Dec 19, 2017, funnyclown wrote:
Itís Free insurance. You donít need to pay for it. But only if youíre an early supporter. If you buy your watch today you will have to pay for the two year insurance. I hope that clears it up for you. [/quote]

I think he was being sarcastic because of the way you seem to stick up for them with your posts
Message: Posted by: funnyclown (Dec 20, 2017 05:59AM)
I can only speak from my personal experience. I bought the collectors set. Which means for $500 I got two watches valued currently at $400 each watch, I also received with my collectorís set a total of 10 FREE vapor refills packs valued at $300 and 2 years FREE warranty on each watch valued at $200 on each watch.

My $500 investment from one year ago had really given me an incredible value for my money. I canít see how anyone can disagree.
Message: Posted by: Matthew Crabtree (Dec 20, 2017 12:02PM)
[quote]On Dec 20, 2017, funnyclown wrote:
I can only speak from my personal experience. I bought the collectors set. Which means for $500 I got two watches valued currently at $400 each watch, I also received with my collectorís set a total of 10 FREE vapor refills packs valued at $300 and 2 years FREE warranty on each watch valued at $200 on each watch.

My $500 investment from one year ago had really given me an incredible value for my money. I canít see how anyone can disagree. [/quote]

Simple you do no have the watch yet but they have had your money for a year. People who went to Blackpool have theirs. It seems like some people were able to order in the last week or two and were told they would have it now. AND they got a TON of free PR hype from you for free. So yeah if I ordered something for $500 and it takes a year to get to me I would disagree.
Message: Posted by: funnyclown (Dec 20, 2017 01:01PM)
I do have my watches and from what Iíve seen on Facebook most people have their watches now. At Blackpool you paid full price Ä400 Plus you wonít get two year warranty or the free Vapr watch refill packs. I only paid $250 per watch. I bought the collectors set
Message: Posted by: Magic KL (Dec 20, 2017 02:14PM)
Funnyclown, it's nice that you are helping Cafť members here. However, you are spoiling SM in a bad way. They started this thread for their product, and they should provide updates here. It is their responsibility to do that. If someone needs to copy and paste from FB, they should be the one doing it. I think I see your posts a lot more than theirs. If they don't agree with what members said here, they should at least tell everyone that they no longer respond to people here, and everyone should comment on their FB page or something. Suddenly disappeared from their "official thread" is not good customer service.
Message: Posted by: rowland (Dec 20, 2017 03:31PM)
[quote]On Dec 20, 2017, funnyclown wrote:
I do have my watches and from what Iíve seen on Facebook most people have their watches now. At Blackpool you paid full price Ä400 Plus you wonít get two year warranty or the free Vapr watch refill packs. I only paid $250 per watch. I bought the collectors set [/quote]

From what I saw at Blackpool I donít think they were selling them for $400 dollars
Message: Posted by: StarManager (Dec 20, 2017 03:59PM)
OMG! IT ARRIVED TODAY!

BUT - not a stick of instructions! No links other than printed on the box for a FB page and a link for warranty that is a 404 page not found on SansMinds site!

That said - I want to shae a conversation I had with Sansminds last week. The person there was very nice and knowledgeable. He gave me confidence in the company that I have not had for a long time. Here's what everyone should now from this conversation:

1. All the backorders have been sent to a shipper in Washington State for distribution in the mail for US early 2017 sales.
2. All these fulfillments HAVE THE LONGER RANGE TRANSMITTER
3. All of these have the new locking and lease easily breakable crystal
4. The company is now making these and should have new supply in a week or so.

This is all very positive.

Now - if someone can get me a link to the instructions I can try to fire this baby up!

JT
Message: Posted by: magicnorm (Dec 20, 2017 10:55PM)
Received mine yesterday, all I can say is its awesome. Long wait yes, but knew that going in. Mike thanks for the updates and help along the way. As for registering for warranty, do it thru your account on the site and use your order number, Star Manager pm mike about instructional video link.

NM
Message: Posted by: funnyclown (Dec 20, 2017 11:52PM)
Cool Magic Norm. I already sent it to Star Manager
Message: Posted by: StarManager (Dec 21, 2017 01:05AM)
I want to thank EVERYONE here and especially Funnyclown for helping me keep the faith and wait it out. Sansminds did a poor job of managing expectations and fulfilling but they did the right thing by waiting and getting us quality units. VERY impressed with this product. Now - where do I wear my Apple Watch now? LOL
Message: Posted by: codydavismagic (Dec 21, 2017 01:24AM)
Any news on replacement watches? Glad to hear these watches work. Very excited
Message: Posted by: Magicalos (Dec 21, 2017 02:49PM)
[quote]On Dec 20, 2017, magicnorm wrote:
Received mine yesterday, all I can say is its awesome. Long wait yes, but knew that going in. Mike thanks for the updates and help along the way. As for registering for warranty, do it thru your account on the site and use your order number, Star Manager pm mike about instructional video link.

NM [/quote]



do you get an email confirming the registration for the warranty once you submit it??
Message: Posted by: magicnorm (Dec 21, 2017 03:25PM)
Not as of yet.
Message: Posted by: fredreisz (Dec 28, 2017 12:50PM)
I also received my watch the day after Christmas. No instructions, no link to a video. It says on the box to register the warranty AND THEY GIVE A LINK. I tried the link on three different browsers. All said it did not exist. I have not gotten an e-mail with a warranty number. I only have the order number. I have not been able to get in contact with a person yet on the phone. This is frustrating for paying premium money!

Peace..Fred (Reisz)
Message: Posted by: Phatmeat (Dec 28, 2017 01:07PM)
Here's the updated link to the warranty page: https://www.sansminds.com/warranty-application/
Use your order # for both the "Product Order Number" field as well as the "Warranty Order Number" field.

To access the video instructions for the watch go to https://www.sansminds.com. Log into your account. Go to the "My Account" section and click "My Downloads" and you should see it there.

Cheers
Message: Posted by: StarManager (Dec 29, 2017 04:36AM)
Just a thought for SansMinds to consider: First - the three watch faces are interchangeable. IE - with any unit you can take off the face and replace it with the other "look" (Black Silver or Gold). A LOT of the original backers would be thrilled if we could buy a different color FACE ONLY for our watches. Making this available to us would go a long way towards making these backers who waited a year happier. The cost on these faces has to be low compared to the entire watch system and smoke plus a box and the face. What do you guys and gals think?
Message: Posted by: funnyclown (Dec 29, 2017 05:28AM)
I think itís a great idea! Iíd buy different watch faces
Message: Posted by: JustJoshinMagic (Dec 29, 2017 08:40AM)
[quote]On Dec 29, 2017, StarManager wrote:
Just a thought for SansMinds to consider: First - the three watch faces are interchangeable. IE - with any unit you can take off the face and replace it with the other "look" (Black Silver or Gold). A LOT of the original backers would be thrilled if we could buy a different color FACE ONLY for our watches. Making this available to us would go a long way towards making these backers who waited a year happier. The cost on these faces has to be low compared to the entire watch system and smoke plus a box and the face. What do you guys and gals think? [/quote]

Posted your suggestion in the fb group and SM replied "Funny Will himself just brought this up in the morning meeting.... so maybe... maybe.."
Message: Posted by: StarManager (Dec 29, 2017 12:56PM)
I hope they do this and that they offer the ASSEMBLED version because if they do it and send me a bag of parts and a DVD that says "Assembly Time Aprox. 10 Minutes" I'll kill myself . . . LMAO!

Come on guys - CHIME in here and ask Will to Make this happen for us!

JT
Message: Posted by: deliveryboy (Jan 4, 2018 01:14PM)
Anyone know how to reach someone at Sansminds?
I have tried calling and emailing numerous time but nobody replies.
any help would be appreciated.
Message: Posted by: funnyclown (Jan 4, 2018 01:33PM)
The only number I have is on the Sansminds website but you need to call Monday through Friday 10:00 am-6:00pm

1 888 963 9952. Pacific time
Message: Posted by: Magic KL (Jan 4, 2018 02:01PM)
You can try facebook too.
Message: Posted by: Olivier7 (Feb 27, 2018 10:22AM)
Sansmind, another vapr warch not working. You cannot be bothered abswering complains going through your website, maybe will you answer here ?

Olivier
Message: Posted by: Christopher James Rose (Feb 27, 2018 04:58PM)
Hey Everyone,

For all customer help, please email us at support@sansminds.com and you will get a reply ASAP.

Christopher
Message: Posted by: funnyclown (Feb 27, 2018 07:11PM)
Thanks for the update Christopher!! That was a fast response.
Message: Posted by: Christopher James Rose (Feb 27, 2018 11:00PM)
Our Pleasure.
Message: Posted by: Maddies Ghost (Feb 28, 2018 12:03PM)
Any video dems of this? Thread is rather long.
Message: Posted by: Steve Brooks (Feb 28, 2018 06:11PM)
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Message: Posted by: Olivier7 (Feb 28, 2018 06:34PM)
Thanks. Email sent.
Message: Posted by: funnyclown (Mar 16, 2018 08:22PM)
Check this out. You can now buy any Vapr watch face color covers.

https://www.sansminds.com/product/vapr-watch-face-2/

That is cool!!
Message: Posted by: elimagic (Jul 17, 2018 07:43AM)
Have people that have purchased this actually gotten support if their units have broken? Also, have people received support even when purchasing secondhand?
Message: Posted by: shineet (Mar 27, 2019 02:50AM)
Hi,
I bought the VAPR watch. I received a non working watch. Since then I have been trying to contact SansMinds. No response from anyone yet. If anyone knows how to contact SansMinds.
Message: Posted by: AnthonyHolt (Apr 8, 2019 09:28AM)
I bought 2 vapr watches. None of them worked, I've send them back and now 5 months past by and nothing...
They don't even care to answer...

I will never buy anything again and won't advice anyone to do so...
Message: Posted by: Asaka (Apr 19, 2019 02:40AM)
My vapr watch produce only a small amount of smoke..
is it something malfunctioning?
How many drops of oil need to be applied??
Message: Posted by: Futureal (Apr 26, 2019 06:37AM)
Another typical Sansminds release.
Message: Posted by: Poor dini (Sep 7, 2019 09:43AM)
I can say (maybe I was just lucky) that I bought a used vapr Watch that broke from another member here. Sansmind replied and sent me the return forums/info to mail it back for repair within 48 hours. That may be a fluke, but they were proactive in my case.