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Topic: What could the linking rings be?
Message: Posted by: Sealegs (Dec 30, 2016 08:06AM)
Hi there, I'm trying to wrack my brains to think of what the linking rings could be other than a prop, specifically made for magicians, so they can do a linking ring routine.

Something believable is what I'm looking for. (So elephant's wedding rings wouldn't be much use) I want to find a way of introducing the prop(s) and framing a routine that has some real world feel to it.

Can any creative minds out there think of anything?

Cheers.
Message: Posted by: DaveGripenwaldt (Jan 4, 2017 01:16PM)
I suppose this doesn't need to be said, but does it have to be prop rings? The obvious solution is to actually use something common, like hangers....
Message: Posted by: Lawrens Godon (Jan 4, 2017 11:29PM)
Olympic rings ?
Audi logo manipulation?
Message: Posted by: Sealegs (Jan 5, 2017 08:55AM)
Thanks for posting Dave... I have a couple of different sets of Linking Hangers. I find it hard to create a good routine with them despite coming up with some original and magical looking links. The rings still look better and more magical but they do carry with them the fact that they are for nothing other than doing the linking rings.

Lawrens, thanks for the post... they are good suggestions of a somewhat abstract nature. At an Audi or Olympic event they'd be ideal. Some like this only more actual world based would be great.

Thanks for the input. Anymore welcomed. :)
Message: Posted by: Lawrens Godon (Jan 6, 2017 01:37AM)
This may be a little sensitive nowadays...
Message: Posted by: Lawrens Godon (Jan 6, 2017 06:22AM)
An idea which would work for me : in my name there are 2X"O"...
I can imagine on stage a sign with my stage name, with the two "O" being 2 (or more) actual rings.
I would simply grab the rings at the right time from the sign and proceed into a ring routine.

Unfortunately this work better with the letter "O".

But one could easily find a policy esasily including the "O" shape :)

Just randomly thinking here...
Message: Posted by: Sealegs (Jan 6, 2017 06:46PM)
Random thinking is very useful for this kind of excercise.
Message: Posted by: Aus (Jan 10, 2017 01:55AM)
Had Idea of Rattan rings in Wing Chung training that are used for practising correct positioning of hands and other body parts in techniques. Then I had the idea of mooring rings used on wharfs for tying a boat or ship to. Maybe you could explain them as being faulty in some way which could provide a premise for the routine.

Magically

Aus
Message: Posted by: Sealegs (Jan 10, 2017 01:34PM)
Aus; your mooring ring idea is exactly the sort of thing I'm looking for. That's a real world object of which the rings could be genuine examples.

The more suggestions of this type that anyone can throw the better.

Many thanks Aus and anyone else who comes up with any other ideas.
Message: Posted by: friend2cptsolo (Jan 20, 2017 09:11AM)
A magician friend of mine presented them as the moon, and then talked about the moon's different phases.
But using this concept you could have a routine that talked about the Moon, Sun and Planets all of the galaxy interconnected but yet spaced so far from each other. The pull of gravity, a cosmic mystery.
It is a very recognizable prop though; to present them as literally something else might be hard ,but to present them as something else in a figurative sense would be more artistic.

So if we go back to the mooring ring idea, it could be approach that magicians of old used to use old mooring rings to perform magic and entertain during long sea voyages and now over the years the rings became more decorative and shinny.

It could be the inside structure of something, kind of like ribbing.

Best of luck, have fun.
Message: Posted by: Sealegs (Jan 20, 2017 09:37AM)
Thanks friend2cptsolo... Figurative representations of the prop are, unfortunately, what I'm trying to avoid.... it is the idea of literally presenting them as something else that I'm interested in persuing.

Your idea that they could be the internal structural supporting ribbing for something is on the exact lines I'm looking for in fact... I would just have to think of a believable thing that they could be the ribbing for.

Thanks again and any other thoughts are still welcome.
Message: Posted by: friend2cptsolo (Jan 20, 2017 10:23AM)
These rings are used in the manufacturing of an internal air storage tank for the famed trident class submarine, providing the frame work to which an external shell is attached.

??????
These rings are used int the manufacturing of (BLANK) used in a (BLANK).....providing the frame work....blah blah blah

The more detail you put into the explanation the more likely someone will believe it. Like if it is a plane you could call it the "A21-B flying fortress"

What are round things?
We got tanks, storage tanks for air, water, trash, oil, chemicals.
Missiles?
Ballasts?
Pipping/pipe... high pressure oil pipe?
Cage/ caging
Locking rings....fitted over the top of something to lock it into place.

Anyway just a few ideas hope you can use it....
Message: Posted by: Sealegs (Jan 20, 2017 12:15PM)
I don't think so much it's the degree of detail that's put into an explanation of what they are that's important. The more detail means the more convincing one has to make the explanation of what they are ad the less believable that concept would then be.

It's the idea that the suggestion is instantly recognisable as actually being seen as the thing they are being purported to be.

the whole point of this exercise is to stop the rings from being seen as something that's been created for a magician to do a trick with.

All your suggestions to this end are very welcomed and thanks for making them. I'm still looking for the one that would make an audience go...oh yeah... that's right... almost as if they might have seen these rings taking on the function that's being attributed to them.

Thanks again.
Message: Posted by: Rook (Jan 20, 2017 10:40PM)
"These are convenient to have around; they help me store my backdrop. Shall I show you something with them?"
Message: Posted by: Sealegs (Jan 21, 2017 03:00AM)
Friend2cptsolo. I didn't mention that I think the 'list' approach you suggested is a very useful. Thanks for that.

Thanks Rook. Now I'll just have to get a backdrop. :lol: I'm sure you have an image in mind as to how these would work to store a backdrop but I can't picture it.

I was hoping there might be some obvious mechanical part of some well known machine that used something that looked like a linking ring. My understanding was that the 'Newman Rings' were in fact such a thing, (but that might have been just hear say rather than fact)

Piston rings from a large engine of some kind is as close as I've come to having something believable... but I'm not mechanically minded yet I know no piston rings of any machine would look like a ring from a Linking Ring set.

By the way my Linking rings are about 12". Thus is for stage rather than close up.

Cheers
Message: Posted by: Lawrens Godon (Jan 22, 2017 08:39AM)
I recall some tv antenna was round shaped...
Message: Posted by: Sealegs (Jan 22, 2017 11:36AM)
Good call Lawrens... that's a possibility.
Message: Posted by: magicgeorge (Jan 22, 2017 02:25PM)
I have ignored the believable part because it made it too difficult:

Hula hoops for badgers, robotic angel halos, Pat Butcher's earrings, holding cells for small Kryptonians*, sills for portholes, portable venn diagrams, hat brim strengtheners, juggling apparatus, throwing weapons, percussion instrument (like a triangle but no for obvious reasons), the horizontal parts of a bird cage





*https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=superman+2+villains+jail&rlz=1C1EKKP_enGB728GB728&espv=2&biw=1920&bih=950&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwi-0tPDxtbRAhVDExoKHdV0C30Q_AUIBigB#imgdii=uf8yhtd6AlFfUM%3A%3Buf8yhtd6AlFfUM%3A%3BwglPdg38FBiVmM%3A&imgrc=uf8yhtd6AlFfUM%3A
Message: Posted by: 0pus (Jan 23, 2017 05:49AM)
Rings to attach the main sail to the mast.
Message: Posted by: Sealegs (Jan 23, 2017 12:59PM)
Ha... thanks George, I like your attitude of blatantly choosing to ignore any conditions that are too difficult and ploughing forward regardless. In fact I think I might have lived my whole life like that. :cool:

You're suggestions have though, actually sparked another completely different approach for me to look into... It's an approach I tend to use a lot and for some reason hadn't though to apply it here until reading your post. That is; the idea of taking the weakness and making it the main feature of the effect.

For me at least (and I'm sure others won't feel the same) the weakness I have an issue overcoming is that the rings are like nothing else that exists in the real world. They look so obviously like magic props specifically designed for magicians to do tricks with. Consequently there's no starting reference point for the audience to latch onto of them being what you are purporting them to be... i.e. 'innocent' solid steel rings.

But making that weakness a feature and coming up with loads of totally obscure and ridiculous things that you are trying to pass them off as tackles this 'elephant in the routine' and addresses this (for me) weakness while potentially adding to the entertainment too.

And Opus: I think the rings that attach a mainsail to a mast is a good shout. That's as close to a real world thing as I've heard (other than Pat Butcher's ear-rings of course) What with your suggestion and the mooring rings Aus suggested there's a definite potential nautical angle to look at.
Message: Posted by: Dan C (Jan 23, 2017 09:00PM)
Noob here so be gentle.
Horses tackle has rings involved.
Also the top of the lampshade I wore home on January 1 had a ring at the top....

Good Luck!!
Message: Posted by: Sealegs (Jan 24, 2017 05:06AM)
Hi Dan, and can I say what an honour it is that you chose to lose your Magic Café virginity on my post. :)

Thanks for the suggestion Dan and welcome to the Café.
Message: Posted by: Dan C (Jan 24, 2017 09:36AM)
Thanks Sealegs it was everything I could have hoped for......grin. I was thinking about this more last night and a lot depends on the character or show you are presenting but if you are using the smaller (ninja style) rings I have seen women's evening wear where the top and bottom of the dress are held together by rings. In essence the bottom of the dress is suspended from the top by rings. The dress I remember had only two rings one front and one back but this could easily be overcome. a possible routine would be to have the lady come out and you remove a ring from the dress and turn her around to remove the ring from the other side when you turn her back around the first ring has regenerated within the dress and you then pull it out to have three in your hand then you turn her again to check and sure enough the one in the back had regenerated again. This could be repeated until you had enough rings in hand to do your routine.
Hope this might lend some inspiration.
Message: Posted by: Sealegs (Jan 24, 2017 02:22PM)
Thanks again Dan. The rings I have are actually 12" diameter ones for stage... so the dress thing might be a little hard to do... But the great thing is that having posted your idea here someone might well get inspired by it for their one routine or spark another idea for here.

George's post, that completely ignored the parameters I set because he found them too challenging, still gave me food for thought on tis subject. So you never know where the next workable idea will get its spark from.

Thanks again for posting your thoughts and ideas. :)
Message: Posted by: Rook (Jan 24, 2017 11:23PM)
During one escape show, I attached a key via a carbiner clip to a linking ring (just because I had it around) and hung in view to keep it visible. If you do any kind of prior routine that utilizes the necessity to keep something in view (key, envelope, or the like) you could contrive it as some kind of hanging device, thus motivating its presence...although it may not explain its brethren very well when you pull out the others for the linking ring portion of the routine.
Message: Posted by: magicgeorge (Feb 4, 2017 12:09PM)
[quote]On Jan 24, 2017, Sealegs wrote:
George's post, that completely ignored the parameters I set because he found them too challenging, still gave me food for thought on tis subject. So you never know where the next workable idea will get its spark from.
[/quote]
Obviously by challenging you mean boring :D My last 4 suggestions fit the parameters!
Message: Posted by: Sealegs (Feb 4, 2017 01:43PM)
They do... I appear to have wronged you and will compensate you with a pint of ale when I see you next. (Blackpool in a about a week and bit maybe?)
Message: Posted by: Rook (Feb 4, 2017 02:17PM)
[quote]On Jan 21, 2017, Sealegs wrote:

Thanks Rook. Now I'll just have to get a backdrop. :lol: I'm sure you have an image in mind as to how these would work to store a backdrop but I can't picture it.

Cheers [/quote]

It wouldn't, really, but the audience doesn't know how a backdrop (or other odd, but fairly large technical gear that you might use) works. It's merely an excuse to motivate the presence of these props on the stage.
Message: Posted by: yachanin (Mar 12, 2017 09:15AM)
Hi Sealegs,

How about defective clock mechanism pieces manufactured for the Big Ben renovation that is to be conducted beginning in 2017?

Regards, Steve
Message: Posted by: jacobsw (Mar 12, 2017 10:00AM)
Tribal neck rings? (Obviously this would require a certain amount of sensitivity in presentation so it doesn't come across like you're mocking another culture.)

If you have kids (or are willing to pretend you do) you could introduce them as coming from some very expensive doll bikes that you bought for your kids, only to have the little rascals promptly disassemble them into their component parts. The rings used to be part of the wheels. Maybe some other props you need to introduce could be other parts of the bike. Any parents in the audience will feel your pain.

For another approach: 12" rings are precisely the same size as the internal ribbing rings that offer structural support for USGS Cirrus-class weather monitoring balloons. (NOTE: If you google "USGS Cirrus-class weather monitoring balloons" you may have a hard time finding them. That's because I just made them up. But it sounded plausible, didn't it?
Message: Posted by: 0pus (Mar 12, 2017 12:28PM)
Do you want suggestions for a group of rings (that was where my mast guide was going), or do you need a suggestion that would be applicable to a single ring?

A single ring could be a key ring for a jailer (but you will then have to explain why the keys are not [i]on[/i] the ring).

Also, some time ago I was putting together an audition show for membership in a magic club. The premise was that I asked my wife to put an "Eddie Bauer" box into my car in the morning and she thought I had said the "flowered" box. As a result I showed up at the audition with a sewing box of my grandmother's, instead of the Eddie Bauer box with my magic junk. I would rummage through the sewing box desperately, trying to do tricks with its contents. One of the effects was a ring on/off rope. The ring was the interior ring of an embroidery hoop (it was a solid ring that went inside an outer ring that was split but could be tightened with a screw-based hardware system). The hoop was designed to hold a cloth taut between the rings for embroidery. The one in the box did have some embroidery mounted in it, which included some velvet piping loosley attached. When I removed the embroidered cloth, I had a difficult time with the piping linking and unlinking from the inner ring of the hoop (this was the routine). I think I was purportedly trying to disengage the piping to do a cut and restored rope effect with it, which I described incessantly while trying to free the piping from the ring.
Message: Posted by: Inviso (Apr 4, 2017 11:35AM)
How about..."Have you been in some of the new swanky hotels. They have designed the towel rings to be removable so the staff never have to touch the towels. Look, I have a bunch here from a recentry stay...."
Message: Posted by: Sealegs (Apr 4, 2017 04:38PM)
Thanks for the input people. :)
Message: Posted by: deaton (Aug 10, 2017 02:08PM)
How about doing your act backwards. Start by acknowledging your entrance applause as if it was the conclusion of your act. Three music stand type round tables supporting some props are on the stage. Stage lights fade off and work lights abruptly come on. You take off your jacket and start to pack your props. As you do so, you inadvertently start to perform magic. In the meantime, your work lights slowly fade and a lightly gelled followspot picks you up. Finally the tables are to be packed. Three rings hold down the fabric tablecloth on each. You start to put the rings in a suitcase and one drops. You're into a linking ring routine for your finale. Lots of possibilities here.