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Topic: Ade Duval Multiplying Golf Ball Routine
Message: Posted by: Bill Hegbli (Apr 20, 2017 08:11PM)
In the Ade Duval book, the Multiplying Golf Balls Routine, page 86, under the title [b]Ade Duval's Eight Ball Routine[/b], there is a discripency (for me anyway) on page 87, 4th paragraph down.

I contacted the author, David Charvet, and he just said he took it from the publication. Which was as stated in the book, Vol.65 No. 11, December, 2002.

It says, "Bring both hands together and secretly add the shell onto the ball. This is done as the left hand takes the ball and moves it to between the left thumb and first finger in position for the standard multiplication move."

Should it not read: Bring both hands together and secretly add the shell onto the ball. This is done as the [i]right[/i] hand takes the [i]shell or shelled ball[/i] and moves it to between the [i]right[/i] thumb and first finger in position for the standard multiplication move.

As written, it does not make sense or work correctly, for me. I am trying to recreate the routine, bought the Ireland Golf Balls, now yellow, so I guess they are considered the "Winter Golf Ball" :lol: I obtained the necessary ball holders and am stuck on this positioning.

Is there a correction in a later publication? Genii usually makes correction the following month or two, for errors.

I do not have any Genii Magazines after 1993. Your help would be appreciated.
Message: Posted by: hugmagic (Apr 20, 2017 09:51PM)
I will have to dig out my Genii and check.
Message: Posted by: Bill Hegbli (Apr 20, 2017 11:12PM)
Richard, I will be waiting for your kindness.
Message: Posted by: Bill Hegbli (May 5, 2017 04:00PM)
Anyone care to chime in and give a hand?
Message: Posted by: JNeal (May 6, 2017 11:18AM)
Bill, I think your analysis is correct. I think the original author made an error and you have noticed it. I've seen similar things happen in other written descriptions.
Your diligence is noteworthy!
Message: Posted by: Anatole (May 6, 2017 11:52AM)
I am looking at page 87 of _Ade Duval: Silken Sorceror_ by David Charvet, and interestingly the text that Bill is referring to says: "Bring the hands together and secretly add the s---- onto the ball..." and three sentences later we read "The second finger now levers the ball out of the s---- as it moves upward (Figure 4)."

But... there is no Figure 4 on page 87. We see Figures 1, 2 and 3... and then Figure 5.

I'm also going to go out on a limb here and say that the text also erred in saying that the clip of Duval that Charles Reynolds and Gregg Webb watched that had Duval's ball routine was not "Toast of the Town" (Ed Sullivan hosted that show) but some other variety show. I have a video of Duval's Golf Ball Routine and as he begins his act, Ade says "Good evening. Iím very happy that Buddy warned you in advance that I am a magician. But Iím not one of those miserable onesÖ" So whatever show the clip was from, it was not hosted by Ed Sullivan, but by someone named "Buddy"--perhaps Buddy Deane or Buddy Rogers?

As Bill Palmer once mentioned in the "Finger/Stage Manipulation" forum, writing directions for a magic routine is an art in and of itself--and writing the instructions for a manipulation act is much more difficult than, say, writing the instructions for a trick like "Tree Card Monte"
:-)

Levent lists the Ade Duval routine on his "Ultimate Guide to the Billiard Balls," so you might want to check Levent's recreation of Duval's routine as well.

If you are on facebook, contact me
Amado Narvaez
and mention that you read this thread on the Cafť, and I will try to add you to the restricted "Routined Manipulations" facebook page where you will find a video that includes Duval's Golf Ball Routine performance that I mentioned above.

----- Amado "Sonny" Narvaez
Message: Posted by: Bill Hegbli (May 6, 2017 01:54PM)
Thanks for the responses guys, I just wanted to know Ade Duval's movements, and not have to create my own. I like to know what the originator created. Guess it is lost in time.

I would have loved to see his Elusive Clock Dye Box routine, and what did he do with that Milk Pitcher on the chair.
Message: Posted by: hugmagic (May 8, 2017 08:10PM)
Just realized that I never dug out the Genii to look it up for you Bill. Will try to get to it this week.
Message: Posted by: David Todd (Aug 14, 2020 03:07PM)
Old topic , but I was searching for something about multiplying golf ball routines and this topics came up in the search.

[quote]On Apr 20, 2017, Bill Hegbli wrote:

Is there a correction in a later publication? Genii usually makes correction the following month or two, for errors.
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Bill , if you never got an answer on this , here's what I could find in the Genii digital archive:

I checked the Genii magazine issue cited (December 2002) with the Duval golf ball routine described by Charles Reynolds and Gregg Webb, and then looked at the following three issues in January 2003, February 2003 , March 2003 but did not see any correction posted regarding the Duval golf ball routine published in Dec. 2002 . Caveat: I will admit I did not read through those issues exhaustively , so it's possible a correction was posted on one of the pages , but not in the editor's "Genii Speaks" column.

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You've probably seen this , but for anyone who hasn't and is interested in studying this routine, David Charvet posted video of Ade Duval's golf ball routine (and smoking the thumb) on April 13, 2020 here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i8ZYQ7boIOo

[youtube]i8ZYQ7boIOo[/youtube]


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Message: Posted by: Bill Hegbli (Aug 14, 2020 07:21PM)
Thanks Dave for posting that video of the DuVal Golf Ball routine.

I check Charvet's website periodically, and I just checked a few weeks ago, because he never advertises his books.

I have to get to work on that Golf Ball routine now. Thanks again.

DuVal also had a Repeat Vanishing Silk to Pocket, Magic Inc. sold years ago, just before DuVal's passing. I sent a copy of the instructions to Charvet but he never replied.
Message: Posted by: Anatole (Aug 18, 2020 08:19AM)
Here's a link for ordering the _Ade Duval--Silken Sorcerer_ book--if it's still in stock--on David Charvet's website
http://www.charvetmagic.com/catalog/i18.html

----- Amado "Sonny" Narvaez
Message: Posted by: Bill Hegbli (Aug 18, 2020 11:45AM)
Looks like both the hardbound and softbound versions of the books are available. Hardbound is $40 plus $5 postage in the U.S. The Softbound is only $25 plus $5 postage in the U.S.

http://www.charvetmagic.com/catalog/i35.html
Message: Posted by: gregg webb (Oct 16, 2020 07:51PM)
I recreated the Duval routine for Genii magazine and illustrated all the moves. I would check that article. If I recall, the text is correct...you load on the ball between thumb and first finger AS you take away the next one, from between 1st and 2nd fingers. If this isn't making sense, look at the Genii article. Regards, Gregg Webb
Message: Posted by: gregg webb (Feb 14, 2021 08:16AM)
The shell is in the palm, so as you reach for the ball between 1st and 2nd, the palmed shell goes right onto the ball between thumb and 1st.
Message: Posted by: Bill Hegbli (Feb 14, 2021 09:31AM)
Yes, I understand now. it is a standard method for loading the shell with a ball.

Ade Duval just does it better, and more quickly and freely then all the description in magic books instructions.

Thanks for the clarification.