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Topic: Jerome Finley concern?
Message: Posted by: MindreaderDavid (May 6, 2017 04:07PM)
Hello everyone.

I don't know if you're on his mailing list or not, but a week ago he sent out a few messages for his weekend sale. I inquired about a couple items, got a speedy reply, then after buying have heard nothing.

To provide context, I have bought from him before, and only once have I had a problem (I bought a physical copy of Thought Veil that I never got. He sent the PDF but I never recieved the physical copy now that I think about it). Every other time, no issues.

I bought this last Sunday, after a few days followed up with a forwarded copy of my receipt, and it's been about a half week again and still I've heard nothing.

Does anyone know if something happened to him? Or if this commonly happens with him or not?

I didn't want to bring it public, after a week of hearing nothing back I figured it may be wise to bring it to where people know him in order to get ahold of him.
Message: Posted by: Mindpro (May 6, 2017 05:11PM)
Yes, I too have had problems with him and this as well. I ordered Thought Veil and I didn't get the pdf or the hard copy. Also when he was in the hospital in bad shape myself and several members of my entire office staffsent money and we were again supposed to get Thought Veil and a couple of other of his reading releases, and to this day still have not heard anything even after contacting him as well as Amira multiple times.

Then on top of that it seems anytime someone starts a thread about this the entire thread will get deleted. Not sure why, but you are not alone.
Message: Posted by: Ben Blau (May 6, 2017 05:27PM)
Jermome has revealed his character more times than I can count, in more ways than I can remember. Buyer beware.
Message: Posted by: Amirá (May 6, 2017 07:34PM)
[quote]On May 6, 2017, Mindpro wrote:
Yes, I too have had problems with him and this as well. I ordered Thought Veil and I didn't get the pdf or the hard copy. Also when he was in the hospital in bad shape myself and several members of my entire office staffsent money and we were again supposed to get Thought Veil and a couple of other of his reading releases, and to this day still have not heard anything even after contacting him as well as Amira multiple times.

Then on top of that it seems anytime someone starts a thread about this the entire thread will get deleted. Not sure why, but you are not alone. [/quote]

I don't know how are you contacting me , but your efforts are not effective for sure. You can PM me in here, you can contact me at Facebook or email. I have never received a message from you.
Message: Posted by: Mindpro (May 6, 2017 07:52PM)
Yes you have and I was told you weren't part of his dealings anymore. You then said to contact him which we did never to get a response.
Message: Posted by: pacozaa (May 7, 2017 12:53AM)
I am in his mailing list.

I saw those on sale and bought one.

After I informed him that paypal sent in email, he didn't reply anything back until I have to sent him another email about my concern.

He sent me that ebook after second email.

Hope this helps
Message: Posted by: countrymaven (May 7, 2017 04:52AM)
Maybe he is too busy making the clouds move or the earth spin with his mind
Message: Posted by: John C (May 7, 2017 08:29AM)
Hey man, he's a busy performer you know.... on the road all the time. Respect the man's time. At least he's offering you something. Regardless whether you ever receive it, isn't it the offer that counts?

Hehe
Message: Posted by: jstreiff (May 7, 2017 09:35AM)
I have successfully done business with Jerome in the past, although there have been minor issues. I would suggest buying his material only through third parties if possible.
Message: Posted by: Adrien L. (May 8, 2017 05:18PM)
I bought some stuff from him (and from Pablo at some point). He always took a long time to send the goods, but he always did.
Message: Posted by: Tim Cavendish (May 8, 2017 11:20PM)
Finley took money for a physical book and only sent a PDF?

That's all too familiar...

Jerome Finley is permanently banned from the Café, as are active threads about him and/or his products. This one won't last long.
Message: Posted by: Aubrey de Wet (May 9, 2017 05:39AM)
[quote]On May 6, 2017, MindreaderDavid wrote:

... and only once have I had a problem (I bought a physical copy of Thought Veil that I never got. He sent the PDF but I never recieved the physical copy now that I think about it).

... [/quote]

Same here, except was Thought Dial.
Message: Posted by: sbays (May 9, 2017 05:57PM)
Why bother sending this guy money when you could donate your hard earned cash to Peter Popoff? At least then you would receive your miracle spring water!
Message: Posted by: JesHansen (May 10, 2017 06:10AM)
I am in contact with him! I personally never had an issue with him or his work. Quite the opposit. Since I got a couple of his releases I am often sending stuff back and forth with him. I have heard about people having problems with getting their products before, all I know is that he is not very well and has personal problems that from time to time take over.
I will try to reach him for you and inform him. Maybe you could PM me your mail adress and which products you are waiting for.

All the best,
Jes
Message: Posted by: Tim Cavendish (May 10, 2017 10:36AM)
Historically, when customers have pressed him to send what they paid for, he has responded with denials, name-calling, and obscenities.
Message: Posted by: sychou (May 10, 2017 11:27AM)
Once in a while,this happens again and again here.
I've been in the same situation before,not receiving what I bought,so I posted here,then attacked by Jerome's friends,then the thread got deleted.
His reputation has broken.
Message: Posted by: JesHansen (May 10, 2017 02:39PM)
I want to point out that I didn't mean to attack anyone if you are refering to me. All I can say is that I get along great with Jerome and am in contact with him. If I could help you I would be happy because I had the same issue with another person and I know how frustrating it is.

Jes
Message: Posted by: Raum (May 10, 2017 04:04PM)
When you ordering from Finley, often you get:
1) Bulling
2) Waiting
3) Wondering
4) Asking
5) Attacking
Rarelly:
1) Products
Message: Posted by: Mark Timon (May 10, 2017 07:01PM)
[quote]On May 7, 2017, John C wrote:
Hey man, he's a busy performer you know.... on the road all the time. Respect the man's time. At least he's offering you something. Regardless whether you ever receive it, isn't it the offer that counts?

Hehe [/quote]
What a stupid post, its like saying , I bought a ticket to see the Rolling Stones but they didn't show up but Hey man! , they are busy musicians , respect their time. Again what a preposterous preposterous!

Regards
Message: Posted by: Tom Cutts (May 10, 2017 07:03PM)
[quote]On May 10, 2017, Mark Timon wrote:
[quote]On May 7, 2017, John C wrote:
Hey man, he's a busy performer you know.... on the road all the time. Respect the man's time. At least he's offering you something. Regardless whether you ever receive it, isn't it the offer that counts?

Hehe [/quote]
What a stupid post, if like saying , I bought a ticket to see the Rolling Stones but they didn't show up but Hey man! , they are busy musicians , respect their time. Again what a preposterous post!

Regards [/quote]I think you overlooked the sarcasm.
Message: Posted by: Max Wells (May 10, 2017 07:05PM)
[quote]On May 10, 2017, Tom Cutts wrote:

I think you overlooked the sarcasm. [/quote]

Some people tend to do that.
Message: Posted by: clairvoyant (May 10, 2017 09:06PM)
...and none of this is to mention his two video projects that he's failed to deliver all or some of.
Message: Posted by: countrymaven (May 10, 2017 09:38PM)
Hey respect jeromeo someone has to make the clouds move with the wind, by their mind force.
he is too busy moving clouds. he doesn't get that they move on their own ok dudes.
Message: Posted by: Paul S Wingham (May 11, 2017 05:26AM)
Jerome finley's name seems to constantly be associated with this sort of terrible service and taking peoples money without any regard for them. Personally I'd steer clear.

Just my opinion but I don't think he's half as special as people make out. He seems to have made a reputation for being something outstanding, but the material of his that I have seen has been very average to say the least. I've also yet to see him actually perform anything to anyone outside of the magic world.
Message: Posted by: Paradise (May 11, 2017 06:13AM)
Just curious why people buy his products has anyone ever seen him perform?
Message: Posted by: Nestor D (May 11, 2017 06:29AM)
[quote]On May 11, 2017, Paradise wrote:
Just curious why people buy his products has anyone ever seen him perform? [/quote]

I have never seen him perform, I found that at least half of his effects were of no use to me, he can write literally hundreds of pages on an effect that can be very clearly explained in under thirty pages and all of it is very expensive. That's the bad.

However, there is good : buying via Mr Amirá is quite safe, the prices have dropped (he is making many offers these days) and I actually perform some of his material (which I consider great) on a regular basis :)

(you need a taste for a very particular kind of mentalism but, in this niche, he has some of the best thinking)
Message: Posted by: pacozaa (May 11, 2017 06:56AM)
[quote]On May 11, 2017, Nestor D wrote:
[quote]On May 11, 2017, Paradise wrote:
Just curious why people buy his products has anyone ever seen him perform? [/quote]

I have never seen him perform, I found that at least half of his effects were of no use to me, he can write literally hundreds of pages on an effect that can be very clearly explained in under thirty pages and all of it is very expensive. That's the bad.

However, there is good : buying via Mr Amirá is quite safe, the prices have dropped (he is making many offers these days) and I actually perform some of his material (which I consider great) on a regular basis :)

(you need a taste for a very particular kind of mentalism but, in this niche, he has some of the best thinking) [/quote]

Which one of his material you perform on a regular basis?

I am going to take a look.
Message: Posted by: Nestor D (May 11, 2017 08:14AM)
His pulse stop and touches (I am working on two other of his effects in the hope of doing them justice in around a year).
Message: Posted by: TheGingerWizard (May 11, 2017 08:26AM)
Yep Jerome has certainly mastered selling clothes to the emperor that's for sure!
Message: Posted by: Paul S Wingham (May 11, 2017 09:56AM)
[quote]On May 11, 2017, Paradise wrote:
Just curious why people buy his products has anyone ever seen him perform? [/quote]

I'm with you paradise. This "legend" status is rife in our industry. So many creators just big each other up and when you look for them there is zero evidence of them ever performing for the general public. I genuinely believe Jerome is one of the worst for this.

As others have said; its like the emperor's new clothes. Lets face it; who spends hundreds of $$ on an ebook and then slates it making them look stupid. And so the myth grows.
Message: Posted by: magusofpower (Apr 6, 2019 01:53AM)
I purchased Thought Veil when it was originally released and after waiting for months on end I finally received a signed hard copy. I had already received the pdf copy, but only after contacting him several times. Prior to purchasing Thought Veil, I had purchased and received several other pdf offerings of his. In fact, the first time I made a purchase from Jerome, he sent several additional (typically expensive) ebooks to me as a gift. As time went on, he became increasingly more difficult to contact and then I started reading a multitude of negative posts about him, detailing very unethical business practices. As a middle-aged guy who began learning magic as a child, I recall the all too often feeling of being duped myself after making a purchase based on crafty, misleading ad-copy from a catalog or from a hustling demonstrator at the local magic shop. Forums such as this have at least provided a place where we can inform one another of these things and hold accountable dishonest folks who perpetuate these actions which have become a stigma in our magic community.
Message: Posted by: Smoking Camel (Apr 6, 2019 05:08PM)
Jerome is a fantastic creator and at heart is a good person. His business and customer service skills are lacking. We can’t have it all tho, and I would rather have to deal with poor communication and delays if it meant I would eventually get to read some of his work..... I was listening to his teleseminar on eliciting criteria the other day and he said something which has transformed the way I do readings.
Message: Posted by: Mind_Magic (Apr 7, 2019 08:50AM)
I never had a problem with Jerome. I have purchased most his material directly from him without any problem and some from Amirá site.
His material is amazing and expensive but I am happy to invest on it.
Regards,
Message: Posted by: IAIN (Apr 7, 2019 09:00AM)
A lot of people have had money taken with no product in return. If you do any form of readings, I hope you enable your empathic skills.

I used to speak up for Jerome as I thought I understood his issues. I don't think I do anymore...
Message: Posted by: Chaz93 (Apr 7, 2019 11:17AM)
Things really don't change around here do they?
Message: Posted by: Gumar Oz DuBar (Apr 7, 2019 06:12PM)
[quote]On Apr 6, 2019, magusofpower wrote:
I purchased Thought Veil when it was originally released and after waiting for months on end I finally received a signed hard copy. I had already received the pdf copy, but only after contacting him several times. Prior to purchasing Thought Veil, I had purchased and received several other pdf offerings of his. In fact, the first time I made a purchase from Jerome, he sent several additional (typically expensive) ebooks to me as a gift. As time went on, he became increasingly more difficult to contact and then I started reading a multitude of negative posts about him, detailing very unethical business practices. As a middle-aged guy who began learning magic as a child, I recall the all too often feeling of being duped myself after making a purchase based on crafty, misleading ad-copy from a catalog or from a hustling demonstrator at the local magic shop. Forums such as this have at least provided a place where we can inform one another of these things and hold accountable dishonest folks who perpetuate these actions which have become a stigma in our magic community. [/quote]

I don't see what your complaint is, you said that you received the book and PDFs you purchased. Why bump a two year old thread?



For the record, I think much of Jerome's material is top notch.
Message: Posted by: countrymaven (Apr 7, 2019 10:01PM)
I think it's top notch 2. like the top notch in a 2 out of 10.

But seriously it is sad when tricksters lead people on and trick other magicians about non deliveries, etc. It catches up to you. Honesty and integrity are the best policy.
Message: Posted by: clairvoyant (Apr 12, 2019 08:36AM)
There are several products in a row that he's sold and failed to deliver on. Super Mentalism he delivered half of what he promised (3 of 6 videos). He had another video project that he sold through Amira that was never delivered at all. Then, he sold an updated version of True Telepathy, TTX, that he never sent out. Finally, he recently sold one-on-one Skype sessions and then disappeared again. I don't really understand how there was a several page long thread about Mark Elsdon not delivering on products, but this guy seems to get off here without a peep. He had some bad situations arise and I used to feel sorry for them, but that's been awhile ago now and he can't really continue to use that as an excuse.
Message: Posted by: JAlenS (Apr 12, 2019 09:13AM)
Just a note on thought veil - what if you could purchase a hypnosis course, change the wording in some parts and sell it as your own in the form of a thick book or pdf. Just a thought.
Message: Posted by: 252life (Apr 18, 2019 09:55PM)
Too bad Outlaw Effects closed, he could have found a running partner with Roth.
Rick would have considered the last two pages a glowing resume and hired him on the spot.