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Topic: Mind Invasion by Morgan Strebler... Awesome #
Message: Posted by: Magic Life (May 19, 2017 03:56PM)
SOUNDS AWESOME COOL..
HI Magic freaks, This is new release from Morgan agin, bringing new peeking method (full view).

Trailer https://youtu.be/0blJQWkoa5c

No restrictions to Lighting, Positioning, or Tearing!
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Some say peeking is the mother of Mentalism. While many peeking techniques have restrictions tied to them, this one has been refined to allow for the most versatile performances possible! From the mind of Mentalist Morgan Strebler, this is a creation he has developed for himself, and after over a decade is now ready to share with the world!

This is Mind Invasion!

Have someone write or draw anything they want on a piece of paper, whether a symbol or a word, read their minds, and reveal what was written down! A peeking technique like no other! Learn all the techniques necessary and freak out even the toughest most skeptical audiences!



What's in the Box?

1 Mind Invasion Instructional DVD



TV rights not included with purchase. Please contact SansMinds Magic for TV rights.
Message: Posted by: dyoung (May 19, 2017 05:45PM)
One could wish to be told a bit more about this... this could be a billion things. what is it? just a peek of a folded card? or?

//Dan
Message: Posted by: Stunninger (May 19, 2017 07:52PM)
Can't really tell anything from the trailer. Could be great, like liquid metal. Then again, after Ice Cold, I've learned it's best to wait for trusted reviews...
Message: Posted by: Decomposed (May 19, 2017 09:03PM)
Wonder how much TV rights going to cost?
Message: Posted by: John C (May 20, 2017 10:53AM)
[quote]On May 19, 2017, Decomposed wrote:
Wonder how much TV rights going to cost? [/quote]


Just there to prop it up in our minds.

There are so many ways to peek etc.

I get a kick out of reading, ".....he's been holding on to this for decades." That could be 20 years. Really?
Message: Posted by: dyoung (May 20, 2017 12:03PM)
According to the sales-speak and marketing for magicians dictionary; "decades" means "something they came up with a few months ago with dubious originality, so best to 'back date' it to ensure that they invented it first"

This is common knowledge, right?

//Dan
Message: Posted by: Dreda (May 20, 2017 01:15PM)
Never forget this article : http://www.thejerx.com/blog/2017/3/28/the-dirty-secret-of-the-live-demo?rq=id7

"No restrictions to Lighting, Positioning, or Tearing!"

Like many others peek techniques, I hope it's not something we can find in an other book.
Message: Posted by: pacozaa (May 20, 2017 01:45PM)
I am waiting for more review.
Message: Posted by: dyoung (May 20, 2017 01:54PM)
Bet it will be that thing you use when it rains, whilst shielding it with your hands in a miming action of what you want them to do. "hold it like this between your hands", and then you close it.

//Dan
Message: Posted by: m.o.pfeil (May 20, 2017 01:54PM)
I would also much appreciate any reviews by anyone who has, well peeked...
Message: Posted by: Paul S Wingham (May 22, 2017 02:56AM)
If you need more methods to peek something; treat yourself to Elliot Bresler's Switchcraft first. Then once you've read that; see if you need anything else.
Message: Posted by: m.o.pfeil (May 22, 2017 03:38AM)
I do agree with Switchcraft being a wonderful and regularly updated book. Worth anyones while.
Message: Posted by: Stunninger (May 23, 2017 08:16AM)
[quote]On May 22, 2017, Paul S Wingham wrote:
If you need more methods to peek something; treat yourself to Elliot Bresler's Switchcraft first. Then once you've read that; see if you need anything else. [/quote]

Great advice. Switchcraft remains one of the very best, if not the best, mentalism investments I've ever made. Dozens and dozens of methods for secretly obtaining the information, all solid. A ridiculously good deal.
Message: Posted by: markhitton (May 24, 2017 03:43AM)
No reviews?
Message: Posted by: markhitton (May 24, 2017 03:44AM)
Is it similar to acidus novus? :stircoffee:
Message: Posted by: Jeff Wassom (May 24, 2017 11:18AM)
This p**k may have been described in Peter Turner's Monthly releases (Billets) by Morgan. Bullet P**k?
Message: Posted by: 252life (May 24, 2017 11:43AM)
Ridiculous. Useless ad copy.
And, while I think Morgan and Sans,have improved...I still proceed with caution based on a lot of their releases.
I'll wait for reviews.
Message: Posted by: Stunninger (May 24, 2017 04:22PM)
[quote]On May 24, 2017, Jeff Wassom wrote:
This p**k may have been described in Peter Turner's Monthly releases (Billets) by Morgan. Bullet P**k? [/quote]

In Peter Turner's Billets book, Morgan says the Bullet Peek is the only peek he has used in 20 years. So it would appear the Bullet Peek and Mind Invasion are one and the same.
Message: Posted by: pacozaa (May 24, 2017 08:16PM)
[quote]On May 24, 2017, Stunninger wrote:
[quote]On May 24, 2017, Jeff Wassom wrote:
This p**k may have been described in Peter Turner's Monthly releases (Billets) by Morgan. Bullet P**k? [/quote]

In Peter Turner's Billets book, Morgan says the Bullet Peek is the only peek he has used in 20 years. So it would appear the Bullet Peek and Mind Invasion are one and the same. [/quote]

Would you mind review "Bullet Peek" here?
Message: Posted by: markhitton (May 25, 2017 01:10AM)
Is this p**k really different from others?i mean acidus novus or obsidian?
Thanks :hotcoffee:
Message: Posted by: markhitton (May 25, 2017 01:13AM)
If it works like the ad says I'm really interested.could someone please review the b****t peek ? :hotcoffee:
Message: Posted by: markhitton (May 25, 2017 01:14AM)
Thanks in advance I'm deciding to buy the dvd :welcome:
Message: Posted by: markhitton (May 25, 2017 01:24AM)
Is b****t peek revealed in turner billet pdf? :hotcoffee:
Message: Posted by: JackMagic (May 25, 2017 01:47AM)
[quote]On May 24, 2017, Stunninger wrote:
[quote]On May 24, 2017, Jeff Wassom wrote:
This p**k may have been described in Peter Turner's Monthly releases (Billets) by Morgan. Bullet P**k? [/quote]

In Peter Turner's Billets book, Morgan says the Bullet Peek is the only peek he has used in 20 years. So it would appear the Bullet Peek and Mind Invasion are one and the same. [/quote]

If that's the case can't see any need to bring out another peek let's face it if this is the only peek he has used in 20 years

Why bring out another peek that he does not even use ?
Message: Posted by: Stunninger (May 25, 2017 08:07AM)
[quote]On May 24, 2017, pacozaa wrote:

Would you mind review "Bullet Peek" here? [/quote]

The "Bullet Peek" uses a single business card folded into quarters, and provides a full peek of the card. Some will likely love it. I did not care for it at all, finding it to be noisy and the handling cumbersome.
Message: Posted by: Yuan Moons (May 25, 2017 08:12AM)
There are only so many ways to do a peek. After that it's just variations and I suspect there'll be some buyers remorse.
Message: Posted by: markhitton (May 25, 2017 08:30AM)
[quote]On May 25, 2017, Stunninger wrote:
[quote]On May 24, 2017, pacozaa wrote:

Would you mind review "Bullet Peek" here? [/quote]

The "Bullet Peek" uses a single business card folded into quarters, and provides a full peek of the card. Some will likely love it. I did not care for it at all, finding it to be noisy and the handling cumbersome. [/quote]


Thanks
Message: Posted by: 252life (May 25, 2017 09:38AM)
Thanks as well :)
Message: Posted by: Jared (May 25, 2017 10:14AM)
I received this yesterday and really like it. The "move" is very bold but I'm convinced that this will totally fly by spectators. The advantages of this peek over others include: (1) No writing restrictions on the card. They can put their information anywhere on the paper. (2) It is excellent for low-light conditions because they can use a Sharpie.(3) There is no set-up other than bending a business card back and forth, which you can do in front of spectators.(4) The angles are excellent. The only place someone could see the work is over your left shoulder (assuming that you are right handed).(5)The peek is lighting fast and well covered under the motivation of showing the spectator what you want them to do. (6) Your hands are clean and empty throughout- no billet switches.

The boldness that I'm referring to is similar to Banachek's peek from his L & L videos. The method however is entirely different because the business card is folded and you don't need to be holding a stack of business cards.

If you read my posts you know that I cannot stand SansMinds. But I really feel this peek has merit and is something that I will use. Surely, we all have plenty of good peeks in our arsenal but from everything I've read and purchased this is quite unique. As far as the video production, the video length is short (maybe 12-15 minutes max), and they could have done a better job at showing the moves up close (slow motion would have been really helpful). I had to keep going back and re-watching it to understand exactly how to position my hands etc.

Lastly, expect to put in a little time with mirror and/or video practice to see how it looks and to smooth things out. The move looks best with a business card (but not too stiff). I tried it with a paper billet (Osterlind type paper) but it was too difficult to execute.
Message: Posted by: RNK (May 25, 2017 10:17AM)
Can anybody who has this and Docc Hilford's Switchblade peek compare the two and say if the methods are different for the peek? Docc's Switchblade uses a folded business card as well.


Thanks!

RNK
Message: Posted by: NeilS (May 25, 2017 10:24AM)
Hmm... with praise from Jared this has certainly piqued my interest.
Message: Posted by: Jared (May 25, 2017 10:28AM)
I have Switchblade by Docc Hilford but I like Mind Invasion much better. The methods are not at all similar. Docc's is a full read while this is a quick peek. While I think Docc's Switchblade is incredibly clever I rarely use it because it just doesn't feel "natural" for some reason. Maybe it's because I feel that I have to justify the folded paper with a story similar to his about passing information on matchbooks during the 80's. With Mind Invasion, you just fold a business card into quarters.
Message: Posted by: markhitton (May 25, 2017 10:35AM)
Good news :stircoffee:
Message: Posted by: markhitton (May 25, 2017 10:36AM)
Must buy👍
Message: Posted by: Jared (May 25, 2017 10:37AM)
One more important note about Mind Invasion...Depending on your business card stock you may not be able to perform this one on one in a quiet setting. If you have glossy stock cards then you may only be able to perform this in environments with a little background noise. The sound that you don't want the spectator to hear is that of opening/closing a folded business card. If I was in a quiet setting then I would opt for Banachek's solution or a suitable tear instead. But if you're in a bar or restaurant you'll have no issues with the possibility of slight noise.
Message: Posted by: markhitton (May 25, 2017 10:37AM)
Is the same move of turner billets?
Message: Posted by: Jared (May 25, 2017 10:46AM)
I'm not familiar with Turner billets so I cannot comment or compare other than only one card is used with MI (no switches). Mind Invasion does feel very unique. But keep in mind that this will require practice to look as good as Morgan's. It's not knuckle-busting by any stretch but it does feel a little odd at first. The only advice I can offer is to try using a light touch...Similar to how you would approach an Erdnase color change.
Message: Posted by: markhitton (May 25, 2017 12:46PM)
Thanks a lot Jared I am waiting for the dvd.
I hope is not necessary to hold the hands like in phoenix peek or other and hide the billet from view.
Message: Posted by: markhitton (May 25, 2017 12:47PM)
I prefer tearing but not hide the billet
Message: Posted by: Jared (May 25, 2017 01:24PM)
You aren't necessarily "hiding" the billet from view...What happens is that you are demonstrating to the spectator how you want them to hold the billet between their hands (very briefly). So yes, technically speaking it is out of view for a few seconds but if you do the move correctly then it should look like nothing has happened. Also, keep in mind that the business card is "folded" into quarters. From a layman's view point it should seem impossible to open a folded business card and get a peek just from the action of closing your hands around it for a few seconds.

From the comments I'm reading...Some will like this and other's won't. It is the reason why I mentioned Banachek's peek. If you like his then you will definitely see some similarities in the ruse. If you don't like the Banachek peek then you should probably stay clear of this.
Message: Posted by: IAIN (May 25, 2017 02:26PM)
Sounds like ac*d*s pl*s to me...
Message: Posted by: Jared (May 25, 2017 02:36PM)
Iain, not at all close to Acidus. As I previously noted, the spectator can write ANYWHERE on the business card :)
Message: Posted by: Max Hazy (May 25, 2017 07:47PM)
[quote]On May 25, 2017, Jared wrote:
You aren't necessarily "hiding" the billet from view...What happens is that you are demonstrating to the spectator how you want them to hold the billet between their hands (very briefly). So yes, technically speaking it is out of view for a few seconds but if you do the move correctly then it should look like nothing has happened. Also, keep in mind that the business card is "folded" into quarters. From a layman's view point it should seem impossible to open a folded business card and get a peek just from the action of closing your hands around it for a few seconds.[/quote]

Sounds exactly like Bullet Peek from Peter Turner book. Same actions, same criteria, same conditions. Maybe he updated the handling and gave it a new name, or just changed the name for marketing purposes... I hope that's not the case.

[quote]On May 25, 2017, JackMagic wrote:
[quote]On May 24, 2017, Stunninger wrote:
[quote]On May 24, 2017, Jeff Wassom wrote:
This p**k may have been described in Peter Turner's Monthly releases (Billets) by Morgan. Bullet P**k? [/quote]

In Peter Turner's Billets book, Morgan says the Bullet Peek is the only peek he has used in 20 years. So it would appear the Bullet Peek and Mind Invasion are one and the same. [/quote]

If that's the case can't see any need to bring out another peek let's face it if this is the only peek he has used in 20 years

Why bring out another peek that he does not even use ? [/quote]

That's exactly what I'm asking myself.
Message: Posted by: 252life (May 25, 2017 10:50PM)
This really does seem within striking distance of Bullet
Message: Posted by: SimonTheSorcerer (May 26, 2017 05:29AM)
First time I bought something from Sansmind. Due to being a fan of Peter Turners work I purchased the billets volume quiet a while ago.
And I can confirm: it IS the bullet peek from Peter Turner's Billets! Don't know what to think about this, but this kinda marketing doesn't leave a very good impression to me!
Message: Posted by: Woodfield (May 26, 2017 08:11AM)
TV Rights reserved? For a secret technique? Am I missing something?
Message: Posted by: Jared (May 26, 2017 08:17AM)
Interesting...So who created it, Peter Turner or Morgan Strebler?
Message: Posted by: Dreda (May 26, 2017 08:30AM)
Morgan Strebler, but he shared his peek in the Turner's ebook on the billets.
Message: Posted by: Magic Life (May 26, 2017 12:57PM)
[quote]On May 26, 2017, SimonTheSorcerer wrote:
First time I bought something from Sansmind. Due to being a fan of Peter Turners work I purchased the billets volume quiet a while ago.
And I can confirm: it IS the bullet peek from Peter Turner's Billets! Don't know what to think about this, but this kinda marketing doesn't leave a very good impression to me! [/quote]

If its exactly same as bullet pe** from billets.
This is very marketing. They are really into making **** spoiling magic.

Bluddy hell
Magic.
Message: Posted by: Magic Life (May 26, 2017 12:59PM)
Morgan could release same effect with same name, what big loss would be.

Magic
Message: Posted by: Lseeyou (May 26, 2017 01:23PM)
[img]http://www.wacocsd.org/vimages/shared/vnews/stories/533f258f2dc58/kindergarten.png[/img]

Guys can't Morgan release HIS effect in pdf first than in video second? Those who are visual learners appreciate the work being released in video format.

#MindInvasion #MindBlowing #UnbelievableDiscussionAtTMC
Message: Posted by: Max Hazy (May 26, 2017 05:32PM)
[quote]On May 26, 2017, Lseeyou wrote:
Guys can't Morgan release HIS effect in pdf first than in video second? Those who are visual learners appreciate the work being released in video format.
[/quote]

Agreed. No problem! But why would he call the same thing with different names, one for the PDF and one for the DVD? That's very misleading indeed. What if someone have the billets volume from Peter Turner and buy this expecting something different... personally, I think it's disrespectful to say the least.

In the common market, if you have a product and change it's name, no problem... people can see exactly what the product is, what it does, how it works, etc. That's not the case in our market... there's a secret to be kept and you will only know what you get after the money is gone. It's easy to understand why the change of name was malicious. Again, disrespectful to say the least.
Message: Posted by: 252life (May 27, 2017 10:13AM)
Maybe Sans and Outlaw Effects will partner up one day.
They seem to have the same respect for the community....


252HighlySarcastic
Message: Posted by: Magic Life (May 27, 2017 01:53PM)
@252life, It seems so, the way they are marketing badly false info like a beggar ( sorry but its truth).

Morgan should claim these stupidity.

Magic
Message: Posted by: Jared (May 27, 2017 06:45PM)
It would have been nice if they referenced the "Bullet Peek" in the ad copy. I'm sure that most would still buy it to see the choreography and moves performed by Morgan. But SansMinds seems to care less about being honest and forthright. It's all about their bottom-line profit, which is not exactly a winning formula for fostering long-term loyal customers.
Message: Posted by: Jheff (May 29, 2017 10:16AM)
Let's not quibble about a name change by a commercial magic company so that the product is more commercial. Many, many routines have been published previously before being released commercially under other names. Some you probably perform regularly. Though it would have been nice for Morgan to mention it's previous release, it wasn't necessary. It would have been more important if he had released it separately and under a different name, rather than a five page contribution to someone else's e-book series.

What should be the focus is this line from the ad blurb:
"A peeking technique like no other!"

Yes, this is a good peeking technique and it's certainly worth getting. The price is very fair for this. However, it's not quite original and definitely NOT "like no other"! The idea of a full card peek while the hands are in pocket watch position is not new. What's new is the technique in doing it and, really, we're talking only about what the fingers do. As an example, Richard Busch's Zen Billet (published in his PEEK ENCORES, which is now out of print) does the same thing but it's the fingers of the left hand that do the work. This is different from what Morgan uses. (Please note that my description of Richard's handling is quite vague and only specific enough to point out the difference.) Richard is only one. There have been a few others exploring this and, again, the only difference really being how that key "secret move" is accomplished.

I noticed some commenting about the move being too "talky." If you use the right weight business card and prep the card, as Morgan suggests, you'll find that it makes very little noise, if any, once you practice it a bit and get it down smoothly.

The bottom line is that this is good and certainly worth getting and learning. But Sansmind is out of their mind if they think this is a revolutionary idea and they shouldn't be marketing it as such.

- Jheff
www.MarketplaceoftheMind.com
Message: Posted by: Magic Life (May 29, 2017 08:28PM)
Hi Jheff,

In simple words you mean that magicians here have to waste money for the same product.
We all know that many effects were released before like that, but it doesn't mean that its good to do.
There are several effects which has been released before with same name but promissing with more updates, strong touch on it.
That's what we support.

Magic
Message: Posted by: Nestor D (May 30, 2017 12:48AM)
[quote]On May 29, 2017, Magic Life wrote:
In simple words you mean that magicians here have to waste money for the same product.
[/quote]

The hand cover goes back to houdini and the fold has been used in other full peek such as pterodactyle : those full peeks are too close not to be credited :/

That said, that particular combinaison is original and probably the easier full peek of a folded billet that I know of.
Message: Posted by: Magic Life (May 30, 2017 01:24AM)
[quote]On May 30, 2017, Nestor D wrote:
[quote]On May 29, 2017, Magic Life wrote:
In simple words you mean that magicians here have to waste money for the same product.
[/quote]

The hand cover goes back to houdini and the fold has been used in other full peek such as pterodactyle : those full peeks are too close not to be credited :/

That said, that particular combinaison is original and probably the easier full peek of a folded billet that I know of. [/quote]

I guess you don't know and also didn't read the above post. The bullet peek from billets by Peter Turner and the mind invasion is exactly the same material, with same original creator but difference in product name.
Kindly collect info before pointing someone.
:)
Magiclife
Message: Posted by: Nestor D (May 30, 2017 02:11AM)
I read it but thought you spoke about the reference to the zen peek (and other peeks) that Jheff made above your post :)
Message: Posted by: Stunninger (May 30, 2017 10:35AM)
[quote]On May 29, 2017, Magic Life wrote:

We all know that many effects were released before like that, but it doesn't mean that its good to do.

Magic [/quote]

Well said, Magic Life.

If a creator wants to release a previously published effect under a new name, have the courtesy to tell your customers (and potential customers) what you are doing. This way customers who already bought the initial release know they already have the effect.

Customers are going to find out anyway. Why not just be upfront about it?

If the new release is significantly different, e.g. includes new handlings or new routines not offered in the first release, some may want to buy both.

On the other hand, if the content is essential the same, with the only difference being the name of the effect is changed, all that does is create confusion.
Message: Posted by: NeilS (May 30, 2017 12:22PM)
Given the different names and ways this has been released, for anyone wanting to learn the peek, which is the best and most helpful buy?
Message: Posted by: Jared (May 30, 2017 02:02PM)
Neil, I don't own the Peter's book so I cannot comment about that. But the tutorial is short and I had to watch the sequence several times to fully grasp all the nuances. But where the video shines the most is understanding the pacing and choreography. I haven't performed this for audiences yet, but after practicing it more over the weekend I'm getting very comfortable with the handling.
Message: Posted by: ahehe7 (Jun 1, 2017 07:52AM)
[quote]On May 30, 2017, NeilS wrote:
Given the different names and ways this has been released, for anyone wanting to learn the peek, which is the best and most helpful buy? [/quote]

I would recommend Peter Turner's pdf (Billets Vol. 4). You learn several different peeks, most of which are workable, and allows for a wider range of applications (should you not prefer to do a pocket watch position peek). He taught one that was behind the back, one in an envelope, and many more. You not only get the effects he believes in but also a few good words on his thoughts on peeking and mentalism in general.

In my opinion, much better value for your buck.
Message: Posted by: Jheff (Jun 1, 2017 11:16PM)
[quote]On May 29, 2017, Magic Life wrote:
In simple words you mean that magicians here have to waste money for the same product.[/quote]
Okay, since you asked, I'll use simple words: No, that's not what I mean and that's not what I said. I would never say that and if you read what I wrote carefully or follow my reviews, you'd know that.

Besides, you're not buying the same product. One is a PDF that contains a fairly poor description of the technique and is part of a larger collection of work. MIND INVASION is an exploration of just that one technique and provides more detail. Many creators have released items separately that they had previously published in a book. Often there is a name change and sometimes the ad blurb will inform you of this. And most of the time the separate release goes into more details and/or supplies the necessary props in order to do the trick. Yes, you'd be buying the same trick, but it's a totally different product due to the more in-depth examination, or a video instruction, or the inclusion of props. You're not always "wasting" your money and it's absurd to make such generalities. And note that I did agree, and did say as such, that Morgan should have mentioned it's previous release.

My point, and I'll make it again, is that's more productive to discuss whether the item delivers what it promises. In this case, it does.


[quote]
We all know that many effects were released before like that, but it doesn't mean that its good to do.[/quote]
I only implied that commercial companies will do things to make their products more commercial. It's their nature. I did not say that it was "good to do."

- Jheff
Message: Posted by: Max Hazy (Jun 2, 2017 10:48AM)
Jheff, I agree with you that this technique isn't original as they claim... but you're being very naive here as a costumer.

Even if it's explored better in the DVD, it STILL the same technique. The PDF have many other techniques, insights, ideas, etc... DVD will do the same, but with a single technique. The only difference is that the DVD will have the visual aspect. It's NOT poorly described in the PDF as you say, I can absolutely understand everything reading it (and there are pictures), just maybe not fully explored. But it's up to us to explore it anyway... if you can't use a tool being unique with it, if you have to copy somebody else because you're not creative, you're already doing it wrong.

The quibble is not about the name change, is about the context of the name change. As I said:

"In the common market, if you have a product and change it's name, no problem... people can see exactly what the product is, what it does, how it works, etc. That's not the case in our market... there's a secret to be kept and you will only know what you get after the money is gone. It's easy to understand why the change of name was malicious. Again, disrespectful to say the least."

For this, I have to disagree with you that the warn about previous release "wasn't necessary". If someone who has the PDF buys this thinking it's a different technique from the PDF, that person will definitely feel cheated. You don't have to be a genius to see that. So I have to agree with ahehe7: You get much more from the PDF. Is the technique worth getting? Depends on your preferences... It's the DVD more worth getting than the PDF? Definitely not... Unless you want to focus on this technique and want to see a live performance, you will get MUCH more from the PDF.

For all of that in this context, I don't think you have a point here that it deliver what it promises. In fact, I don't understand how you can say that it deliver what it promises and simultaneously say that this is definitely not original as they claim.
Message: Posted by: Stunninger (Jun 2, 2017 11:29AM)
We said Max. Agree with all you write, especially your statement:

"In the common market, if you have a product and change it's name, no problem... people can see exactly what the product is, what it does, how it works, etc. That's not the case in our market... there's a secret to be kept and you will only know what you get after the money is gone. It's easy to understand why the change of name was malicious. Again, disrespectful to say the least."

I went ahead and got the video to compare to the PDF. After reviewing both, I do think the peek is taught quite poorly in the PDF, and instruction much better in the video. That said, after practicing the peek about 75 times, using normal thickness business card stock as well as extra thick business card stock, the card still has a tendency to "talk" when opened. Even after preparing the card as suggested. It does help to slow down and make the moves very slowly and deliberately. But even so, I still find the noise the card makes to be an issue in quite environments.

My personal opinion is other business card peeks are more practical and deceptive.
Message: Posted by: Mr. Mindbender (Jun 2, 2017 05:44PM)
Like Stunninger, I bought the DVD although I already owned the PDF. When it comes to peeks and billet tears, I learn so much more from seeing it in action, so although I knew the mechanics from the PDF, I still gained great value from seeing the peek executed in real time from various angles.
Message: Posted by: Jheff (Jun 4, 2017 10:38PM)
[quote]On Jun 2, 2017, Max Hazy wrote:
Jheff, I agree with you that this technique isn't original as they claim... but you're being very naive here as a costumer.[/quote]
I'm being naive?!? For the record, Max, because I'm not certain you know, I've been providing mentalists with reviews of mentalism products from the viewpoint of an experienced mentalist for nearly twenty years now. It's one thing if you disagree with me, and you're more than welcome to as my opinions are simply that, and not facts. But calling me "naive" is, well, naive. And I'm definitely not a "costumer." Although, admittedly, if I was a costumer, I probably would be naive about this.

Most mentalists value ideas and often are buying products from creators who have built or expanded upon their own ideas. Name changes to me are trivial so long as the product delivers something that's worth the money, but apparently that's not the opinion to some who are reading this. That's what I meant by it delivers and those who read my website and/or newsletters know that in my comments about MIND INVASION, I've clearly pointed out the deception of the ad blurb.

I found the PDF somewhat confusing to learn from and the DVD much better. For those who were able to learn it and master it from the PDF, good for you. But if you really think a DVD that describes one technique and goes into great detail on it is the same as an illustrated PDF that contains many valuable techniques on billet work, including Morgan's peek, then there's nothing left me to say, because I'd just be repeating myself.

- Jheff
Message: Posted by: Max Hazy (Jun 5, 2017 12:18AM)
Jheff, I don't want to get in an argument here. But I think some points must be clear:

1) I disagree with you when you say that the mention of the name change "wasn't necessary"... It sure was. So far you're the only one I've seem to think that. That comment imo made you look either like a naive costumer (who buys things with no idea what is getting) or a questionable reviewer (with something to gain from it), but I don't think it's the latter because you've been quite honest about some bad aspects of the technique. What I don't get is how you can say that the warn about the change of name "wasn't necessary" in this context. That's why I used the word "naive". You're an experienced mentalist providing reviews for 20 years and can't see the necessity of the mention? So basically it's ok for you if the owners of the pdf get the same technique in the DVD without knowing it???? What do you expect me to think of it??? The problem is obvious and I'll say it for the 3rd time:

"In the common market, if you have a product and change it's name, no problem... people can see exactly what the product is, what it does, how it works, etc. That's not the case in our market... there's a secret to be kept and you will only know what you get after the money is gone. It's easy to understand why the change of name was malicious. Again, disrespectful to say the least."

2) I never said that what's on the DVD is the same thing in the PDF, you're putting words in my mouth here. I said you get much more than a single technique in the PDF: you get ideas, essays and other techniques and methods. For me (and others) the value for money goes to the PDF. Sure, the DVD have the visual aspect and will explore the technique better... but it still the same technique in the pdf (which have other techniques). Plus it's one thing to buy knowing what you're getting, and another when you don't know.

3) I have the pdf and I was thinking about getting the DVD, but I was suspecting because in both the DVD and the PDF is mentioned that it's the only peek Morgan used for years. So he either lied or it is the same peek. Thankfully there were costumers to confirm it is the same peek. I'm not going to buy the DVD. If someone have the pdf and wants to go deeper in this technique with the DVD, go for it. That's not my case and if it happened to me, may as well happen to others.

4) I made my points clear and I don't want to get in an argument. If you were offended by the word naive, it wasn't my intention to offend. As far as I know naive means taken with innocence or without malice. I don't mean the word as a fool or something, but english isn't my main language so I'm making my intention clear. I said naive in the sense that you didn't give enough thought about the subject (as I wrote in the point "1").

I have no problem with you, but I had to point that your position had a giant flaw imo. Maybe you expressed yourself in a bad way or maybe you didn't realize these details, but I have no issue with you. My issue here is with Morgan. I've heard bad stories about him in the past and now I'm seeing it first hand.
Message: Posted by: Woodfield (Jun 6, 2017 01:19PM)
[quote]On May 29, 2017, Jheff wrote:

Yes, this is a good peeking technique and it's certainly worth getting. The price is very fair for this. However, it's not quite original and definitely NOT "like no other"! The idea of a full card peek while the hands are in pocket watch position is not new. What's new is the technique in doing it and, really, we're talking only about what the fingers do. As an example, Richard Busch's Zen Billet (published in his PEEK ENCORES, which is now out of print) does the same thing but it's the fingers of the left hand that do the work. This is different from what Morgan uses. (Please note that my description of Richard's handling is quite vague and only specific enough to point out the difference.) Richard is only one. There have been a few others exploring this and, again, the only difference really being how that key "secret move" is accomplished.

- Jheff
www.MarketplaceoftheMind.com [/quote]

Sorry, the technique is not new either. This is the exact handling of ***********'s Phoenix Peek (2006) http://www.lybrary.com/phoenix-peek-p-6009.html
I have both products.

I have my own variation of the Phoenix Peek that provides a stealthier way of getting into the peek.
Message: Posted by: Exitmat (Jun 8, 2017 12:09PM)
This is so good. Absolutely love it. Perfect for pre-show and drawing duplications.
Message: Posted by: Jeff Wassom (Jun 8, 2017 04:50PM)
Thought this was pretty slick as well. Have Peter's Billets #4 but couldn't figure the p**k out, so this was a nice visual supplement.
Message: Posted by: Jheff (Jun 9, 2017 12:36AM)
[quote]On Jun 6, 2017, Woodfield wrote:
Sorry, the technique is not new either. This is the exact handling of ***********'s Phoenix Peek (2006)[/quote]

Woodfield, for various reasons, I am not familiar with Xavier's handling. But, as I sort of implied, I'm not surprised.

Max, I don't think you quite understand that I feel that you are totally wrong. I told that you that I don't mind if you disagree with my thinking and opinions, but you should, in turn, respect mine. To continue to say my opinion is flawed and that I am a naive "costumer" (I still don't know what that is) because you feel I'm wrong, is simply rude and I have little time for someone with that attitude. Thank you, though, for saying that you have a problem with Morgan and not me. I have heard things about Morgan, too, but when I review products I review the product, not the creator.
Message: Posted by: Max Hazy (Jun 10, 2017 02:34PM)
Jhef, I don't "feel" you're wrong. I even listed factual observations to argue, there's no "feelings" in my position. You had access to the product and you're not the creator nor the seller, that's why I was referring to you as a customer (client). You're probably just being picky about the misspelling (I don't know what happened with the automatic corrector, but a word to the wise is sufficient).

Btw, I'm not reviewing anything here. I was confirming my suspects about the product (what that implies about the morality of the seller is another story). You're the only one in this topic to say that the mention of the name change wasn't necessary. You have the right to defend a disrespectful position of a seller as much as you wish, but if you think your 20 years of review will make your defense more valid, I have bad news for you.

I won't say you're wrong, I'll let whoever reads the topic decide for themselves what to think. All I wanted was to make an informed decision and point out a valid observation for others to make an informed decision as well.
Message: Posted by: DavidKenney (Jun 22, 2017 08:08AM)
Title: Mind Invasion
Creator: Morgan Strebler
Publisher: Sans Minds
MSRP: $ 20
Skill Level: all
DVD Run time: 13 minutes

Type of effect:

Manufacturer's Write Up: From the mind of Mentalist Morgan Strebler, this is a creation he has developed for himself and, after over a decade, is now ready to share with the world! This is Mind Invasion!

Have someone write or draw anything they want on a piece of paper, whether a symbol or a word. With Mind Invasion, you apparently read their minds by revealing what was written down! A peeking technique like no other! Learn all the techniques necessary and freak out even the toughest, most skeptical audiences!

Some say peeking is the mother of Mentalism. While many peeking techniques have restrictions tied to them, this one has been refined to allow for the most versatile performances possible!

How accurate is the ad copy? No deception

What's in the box? 1 Mind Invasion Instructional DVD

Key points: No restrictions to Lighting, Positioning, or Tearing!

How are the production values: Chiefly it’s 2 or 3 live performances on the street and then it’s Morgan back in the studio, dressed in black against a black backdrop. He’s well mic’d and there are two torso camera and one close up for when you need to see the peek close up.

Is it well taught: Morgan gives you the basic moves and a few extra final thoughts.

Storage? Does it "pack flat?" All you need is a business card and a sharpie marker

Does it "play big?" Can be combined with any standard mind reading routine or any time you need to glance a piece of written information.

Difficulty / Skill level required: This is fairly simple with some practice.

How much arts and crafts are involved? You need to be able to fold a business card into fourths.

How practical is this in the real world? (can it really be done?) Yes, it can be done. It relies on a sort of “dodge” but should fly right by most.

Overall score: let's toss out the traditional score of 1-10 and make this something that we all can appreciate and understand.

_____ Very Satisfied
__X___ Somewhat Satisfied
_____ Neither Satisfied or Dissatisfied
_____ Somewhat Dissatisfied
_____ Very Dissatisfied
_____ No Opinion

My thoughts it’s ok. I’ve seen a few peeks and I’d say this is probably the easiest one I have seen and would be great for beginners and those just starting out. This is a perfect “first peek” to learn.

+ Hey do you want to see my full review with even more of my opinions and ideas? Visit this link for my video review: ​
[youtube]pIm7E0Lnuag[/youtube]
Message: Posted by: George Hunter (Jul 23, 2017 03:40PM)
David:

I liked your review; clear, insightful, useful. And I recently bought the dvd, and the teaching was good, and I plan to be using the peek.

I read from several of you that Morgan had published "Bullet Peek" within a larger Turner pdf, and that this is essentially the same effect being taught.

I agree with Jeff that this might have been mentioned in the advertising, but I can also think of a reason why it shouldn't have, and a stronger reason for the name change; exposure avoidance. As a chapter in a larger work, it make sense to say its a "peek" method. But stand alone advertised products should, in their titles, avoid words like "peek" or "force."

I would wager that Strebler would have been criticized IF the dvd WAS advertised as "Bullet Peek." This could be a ***ed-if-you-do and ***ed-if-you-don't kind of marketing decision, so let's cut SansMinds some slack.

George
Message: Posted by: George Hunter (Jul 23, 2017 07:59PM)
Two further thoughts about David's review:

1. I do not see this as a beginners, entry-level, peek. It is not necessarily easier to execute than some of the center tears, and it requires an audacity not found in many beginners.

2. Let me also suggest that, as in fiction--many short stories are better than many novels, the worth of a product in mentalism is not especially experienced in terms of its length. This is most obvious in some of the ebooks in our field; many (say) 60 page ebooks feature too much semantic padding and more white space than you'd find in a snowstorm. Likewise, some instructional dvd's and downloads contain too much filler, and extraneous material, and they go on forever. Strebler's 13 minutes is some of the most cogent teaching in our field; may his tribe increase.

George
Message: Posted by: Dan Dent (Aug 29, 2017 02:54AM)
Strebler is now selling a PDF version of the Bullet peek through Pablo Amira for $9.95.

https://bulletmorganstrebler.blogspot.ch
Message: Posted by: Xiqual (Aug 31, 2017 08:50AM)
Just got this and it is exactly like ***********'s Oracle of the Phoenix. Also similar to Alain Bellon's Obsidian Oblique. These were released in about 2006.
Hmmmm..
James
Message: Posted by: Xiqual (Aug 31, 2017 08:51AM)
So it seems that the creator of Oracle has been banished from the Café. You can't even write his name!! He is an irritating guy, I do have to admit that, lol.
James
Message: Posted by: Woodfield (Aug 31, 2017 05:46PM)
[quote]On Aug 31, 2017, Xiqual wrote:
So it seems that the creator of Oracle has been banished from the Café. You can't even write his name!! He is an irritating guy, I do have to admit that, lol.
James [/quote]

If you read my earlier post, you could have saved your money.
Message: Posted by: Xiqual (Aug 31, 2017 10:46PM)
[quote]On Aug 31, 2017, Woodfield wrote:
[quote]On Aug 31, 2017, Xiqual wrote:
So it seems that the creator of Oracle has been banished from the Café. You can't even write his name!! He is an irritating guy, I do have to admit that, lol.
James [/quote]

If you read my earlier post, you could have saved your money. [/quote]

Haha, yeah..being lazy has it's downside. Good call Woodfield. Kind of shocking.
James
Message: Posted by: The Baldini (Oct 9, 2017 07:22AM)
I too am a bit lazy and did not read all the post's, but it sounds like T-Rex to me.